Animal Kingdom - Final Season

OMG how was I not on top of this about to happen, thanks OP!

I hope Adrian comes back for Deran in the final season.

The premiere is a double episode called "1992" and "Rise."

Can't wait!

Are they ever going to explain what happened to Smurf’s leg, or was it just a bad acting choice, the way Ellen dragged it around?

[quote] Are they ever going to explain what happened to Smurf’s leg

Huh? I never noticed anything about Smurf's leg. What do you mean?

Old Smurf or Young Smurf?

Well that’s why they called her Pegleg Smurf!

Ellen barkin used to drag one leg around. It was this weird, affected way of walking. Someone I worked with who watched the show used to joke about it all the time.

Will Deran's gay storyline be neutered in this final season, the way it was last season?

Or will they be brave and let him have bathroom sex and hot floor sex with strangers like they did in seasons one and two.

Btw, I thought he was supposed to hook up with his hot bartender Tommy (Cody Callahan) last season?? What happened to that?

I also want to see more of Elliott Knight, who plays the dirty cop working with the Codys.

He's gay in real life.

I wouldn't mind seeing him hook up with Deran, either.

But please bring back Adrian!

From a recent TVFanatic.com interview with Jake Weary (Deran).

[quote] Q: OK, Jake, I know the 'shippers would love to know if there is any closure with Deran and Adrian.

[quote] Jake: Oh, I feel so bad. I don't know. I don't know; I'd say that people want a lot of answers. Without giving too much away, people can potentially -- I think they'll be happy with where things are left off on that front.

Thanks for nuttin', Jake!

Is this show still good? I dipped after they killed off the hot brother and Smurf. They were the only characters I liked.

Thank you OP!!!! I love this series ... I read some of the actors may live or used to live in Huntington Beach..... it’s not far from me..... hot hot

Thanks for sharing that, R10.

I hope it means that Adrian is coming back.

Denis Leary comes back at some point this season.

Bummed it’s their last season. But Ellen Barkin, as amazing as she was in the role of Smurf, is a cunt to her co workers and crew. In 2013 she was fired for abusive behaviour on a show (forgot the show but shite I’m sure) then this one she was alleged to be horrible to people especially Scott Steedman who didn’t let her get away with it since he was a veteran of other shows and they had it out many times when he asked to be murdered to make sure he would never come back. The plan was not to have him die. But his hated for her outweighed his paycheck. The rest of the cast never mentions her. She cooked her own goose by going on video to claim Johnny Depp was violent BUT NOT ABUSIVE yet it came out she was a scorned ex hole he would plug once in a while and never wanted to date the hag and 30 years on the ugly vindictive bitch still carries a torch for him.

Wow, R15.

I love that story about Scott Speedman because I love him and I think he's super hot.

Good for Scott.

However, I was so bummed when he left the show. He was my favorite character.

Did anyone watch the premiere??

How was it?

Great kick off introducing teen Andrew, Julia and Baz and the time jump.

I'm watching. Already, I don't like Craig's storyline

Teen Andrew was the cute Jet in WSS.

Watching now. Is denis Leary trey???? Looks like a shriveled up Santa

Denis Leary is Deran's father.

All three boys have different dads, and they introduced him when Smurf was still alive.

He didn't return the following season.

I'm assuming he's back because Ellen Barkin is gone.

He must have hated her too.

R15 stfu

It's nice to see Tommy still around, and there seems to be sexual tension between him and Deran. Or maybe it's wishful thinking.

My dream is a Shawshank Redemption-type reunion for Deran and Adrian in Indonesia.

TNT is burning through 2 episodes per week, or at least this week and next.

Holy shit, the guy who plays young Baz is HOT!

And I'm shocked that he's 33 years old. He looks like a teenager.

He's a Canadian actor named Darren Mann and he looks just like Tom Welling.

Darren is super hot, but he must be really short.

He was shorter than the girl who played young Julia.

So, I guess Speedman and Hatosy didn’t have hot teenage son’s to offer up to play their younger selves?

R29, this show has really upped the hot guy factor for this final season.

Darren's new "fourth date" boyfriend is cute as hell. At first I thought it was Adrian. But this guy's actually better looking.

Then there's young Baz who is gorgeous.

Even the homeless guy that Pope hired to be his construction worker (Hans Christopher) is hot!

Sounding to me like R15 has some inside scoop. My ex worked on a set next to one Ellen Barkin was on and he claimed they shuddered whenever she would be at crafty. His cast and crew had a mix of OG actors and youngsters, he said they all collectively loathed that woman.

Did Kevin Csolak show any skin ?

Need more of Finn's big ol meaty ass.

I'm glad this is the last season. As much as a pain in the ass Barkin was, it went downhill after they killed her off. Fullstop

R34 is Ellen Barkin.

You are SO wrong about that.

Season 5 was amazing and exciting.

This season started off with a bang, and that skateboard scene with young Pope in the school was incredible.

Anybody know who the influencer Deran bottled to the head is, I can’t find him in any of the casting lists and he looks familiar?

Speaking of that R36, I hope that doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.

Someone mentioned last season that one of the main cast members will die in the final season.

The way that the boys are burning bridges right now, it could be any of them.

Craig is upsetting Renn's brothers, and the looks they give him are dirty. Deran bottled someone to the head, and tasered another guy. And Pope blew up Gia's business.

Any of them could be on the list.

Deran should have stayed with the hot black guy.

Deran needs to hook up with Tommy, R38.

Btw, I found a picture of the guy Deran is currently "seeing."

They haven't named him yet, so I couldn't locate the actor.

But I did find a photo. And he's HOT.

The season is off to a strong start. So much good stuff in episode one.

My question is, what is Tommy up to?

Smurf stared Julia on her downward spiral because she was jealous that the teenage boy she raised like a son would rather fuck Julia than her. Such a twisted bitch.

I just remembered that the lawyer we met in episode 2 is the same one J fed to sharks.

Did anyone else have a hard time understanding what they were saying? The sound mixing seemed off to me. Everything they said sounded like they were mumbling.

Turn up your hearing aid, grandma @ R43.

[quote] Already, I don't like Craig's storyline

Same here!

Craig used to be the most laid back, most fun and carefree character.

Now he's just a bore with his sobriety storyline, and constantly whining about not getting to see his son.

The season previews showed that the baby gets kidnapped, so he's going to be whining about it even more.

Yawn.

I’ve felt since day one, J is in it for the long haul to get revenge for what Smurf did to his mom. But now that she’s gone (Ellen Barkin can’t keep a job, total cunt) it changed the show’s trajectory a bit. I feel he’s going to realize Baz was his dad and it was probably not consensual so he might go after Andrew for not stopping it but I’m digging their truce/bond as of late. If Baz comes back , he didn’t truly die but was faked for a police informant type thing, then shit would really get real. But J can’t be that easily into this lifestyle knowing what it did to his mom. I can’t stand that lawyer bitch and Craig’s baby mamas hypocritical stance: he needs supervision to be a dad but she’s a drug dealer yet somehow not taking them yet dealing them is safer for their kid? Da fuck? Also I missed some episodes, where’s the kid Pope Doted on that was clearly his and not Baz’s?

I forgot about this show! I'm watching the final season first episode now.

what about that bartender last season?

Really weird to see that some find Barkin difficult. Without saying too much, I've made dresses she's worn, and I found her delightful every single time. I found the show lesser without her, despite my lust for some of the men.

Now that's how you start a new season!

Craig: fucking baby, wants to swap houses and pouts and flounces off when Deran says no. Deran: I think he'll vie with J for head of the family. He's realized via that neighbor intervention the standing the Cody's had in Oceanside and might want to re-establish that. Also: Chekhov's surfboard? Smurf: awful, jealous cunt. Leila George really starting to get her Smurf on now. Pope: loved the look on his face when J added potato chips to Pope's perfect sandwich. J: best laid plans? Pope said, "It's not just about money". Julia/Pope: the actors playing them = great casting.

It’s interesting in the Andrew/Smurf/Julia/Baz scenes that Andrew is the only survivor of those four, yet he seems the most unlikely of them to pull that off.

R48, do you mean Tommy? He's back this season and making sketchy deposits for Deran.

I was totally thinking the same thing when I watched it R43!

The focus of the series will be Baz’s wife, the one Andrew buried along with her ID.

Speaking of Julia, can anyone explain the scene of both Julia and J washing their faces in the bathroom, then lying on their beds with no clothes on?

It would flash back then flash present then flash back and flash present between J and Julia. Both looking in the mirror. It was weird.

On another note, I don't think that Pope is Lina's father. He just wanted to take care of Lina because he killed both Baz and Lina's mother.

[quote] Tommy? He's back this season and making sketchy deposits for Deran.

I wonder if Tommy will bring down the Cody's?

He has witnessed all of their bad dealings, and he would be the perfect informant for the cops.

I'll be keeping my eye on him.

Tommy is definitely going to be a factor.

As for the mirrored scenes with J and Julia, I think they were commenting on how he remains in Smurf’s house. I don’t know that it’s any deeper than that. And I think they wanted to tie the flashbacks to the present day.

I re-watched ep 2. So, back in the day, Smurf paid the lumber guy to ensure Deran lost his surfing heats??

Derailing Julia's education, hating on Pope's skating boarding, and ruin Deran's surfing career. As Julia said to Pope, "She doesn't like it because it makes you happy."

How will she fuck up Baz and Craig? This is one evil cunt.

^ ruined not ruin

Still not clear how Deran found that out.

r55 Pope didn't kill Baz. Smurf had him killed by Mia when she found out he was stealing.

So did Baz and Smurf fuck or what?

J already knows Baz was his father. He figured that out in S1

I don’t think it was ever confirmed.

Correct, R62.

J's father has never been confirmed.

Although he has his suspicions.

Incorrect R62 and R63

Season 3. In the first episode in season 3, Baz is killed and Smurf finally admits to J that Baz was his dad while he is visiting her in prison.

[quote] In the first episode in season 3, Baz is killed and Smurf finally admits to J that Baz was his dad while he is visiting her in prison.

Smurf has constantly lied to her kids about everything.

There's no reason to believe her story about Baz.

We may never know the truth, unless the show runners give us a complete back story on the subject.

Maybe someone should do a poll? Which Cody do we think will die?

I think Craig. Trying to rehab himself, be a better father, probably seems the least damaged by Smurf. He finally turns his life around then boom. Deran and Pope are too obvious. I don't think J will die - he's too smart/shifty.

How did the beautiful actress playing the younger Smurf end up as an old crone like Ellen Barkin? Age isn't that much of a thief.

[quote] How did the beautiful actress playing the younger Smurf end up as an old crone like Ellen Barkin? Age isn't that much of a thief.

Being married to Sean Penn can do that to a woman.

But J’s death would be the most poetic.

J gets them all IMPRISONED except Andrew who he gives the chance to die by his hands or suicide for his sins since he knows his mom had a soft spot for him, Pope Jill’s himself crying and saying like Julia did, J has given him respect and love and set him free. Then J watched the “house the Cody’s built” burn in a poetic Justice sort of way. Like the meme of the little girl at the house fire menacingly smiling. J decides to donate millions to create a home for kids in need in Julia’s name. A rehab in Craig’s. LGBT center in Derans and mental health facility in Popes. Then he either kill’s himself or joins the FBI. Or they all go down in a literal gun fight , blaze of glory with their enemies. At the house. No one’s left. But then they all die and we never get a chance for a reunion show in 13 years? Hmmmm

Burn the house in Poetic Justice sort of way? Will Janet Jackson being dancing in a music video with it burning in the background?

This is still on? I stopped watching after season 2

R72 Final season, catch up and join us at the finale.

That is a fun fact I did not know R68

Live like Smurf and you wind up looking like Ellen Barkin.

R72, it’s gotten really compelling these last couple seasons.

I think Craig is a goner. I also don’t think there’s much hope for Pope, but I have more sympathy for him because Smurf ruined him/Julia.

R65 Keep reaching for those stars, Casey Kasem. J figured it out in the first season and Smurf confirmed it. I mean...what's the problem here? You were wrong. Own it. Be It.

Smurf is a liar.

J is the forbidden love child of baz and smurf.

Actually R79, I was thinking that J is the even MORE forbidden love child of Pope and Julia.

Twins screwing each other is much more fucked up, which would be perfect for this show.

Kind of like, "Luke, I am your father."

I have a feeling that's how it's going to be.

Pope was always so creepy around Julia, and she knew it.

Yup. And it was rape rape.

Did anyone else notice that in this flashback scene, Smurf is wearing the same shirt she took back from Julia (and wore to her funeral) in the pilot?

Two new episodes tonight!

Deran’s breakdown post-Adrian continues. Sheesh. If I were the new guy, I’d run away, fast!

[quote] Deran’s breakdown post-Adrian continues. Sheesh. If I were the new guy, I’d run away, fast!

You have to admit, the new guy is boring as fuck.

But let's be honest.

Most slutty bottoms like Deran's new boyfriend would probably be turned on by his aggression, and want him even more.

I'm worried for the Codys.

Now I think that they're all being set up by the cops.

Pope is obviously being stalked by the female cop, and she's having the kid spy on him.

Deran's new boyfriend keeps asking him personal questions, so he could be an informant.

Craig's new "sober coach" is suspicious as hell. In fact, he's cock blocking Deran from trying to get close with Craig.

And J's new secretary girlfriend is another one who could be getting the dirt on him.

I have a feeling that they're all going down in the end.

Oh, and is it just me or does the Latina cop look exactly like the Baz's Latina girlfriend that Pope kille. I can't tell them apart!

Deran has no chemistry with this new guy he's dating.

I'm not sure if that's intentional or not, because he's supposedly "pining" for Adrian.

The guy is hot as hell, and his body is insane. But I just don't see them together.

The new guy looks way too clean cut for Deran, he's taller and more muscular than Deran, he has absolutely nothing in common with Deran, and most of all Deran doesn't seem to give two shits about him.

It's such a weird pairing.

I'm guessing that what made Deran and Adrian work so well is that they had known each other for a really long time, and Adrian knew the family history. Which is important for anyone who is going to date Deran.

Plus, they had surfing in common.

Doesn't anyone care about this goddamned show??!!!!

[quote] The new guy looks way too clean cut for Deran, he's taller and more muscular than Deran, he has absolutely nothing in common with Deran, and most of all Deran doesn't seem to give two shits about him.

This is what it looks like when Deran cares about you. (Adrian farewell, Season 4.)

After Deran says that he loves Adrian, Adrian indicates that he knows the score.

[quote] Adrian: "I love you, too, you know? I have since we were kids. And I probably always will. But you’re the worst thing that ever happened to me."

Perfect, R89.

That's why Deran will never find another long-term boyfriend.

Adrian was his soul mate.

Yet Jake Weary says that there will be a good resolution to his story arc.

I don't believe it, unless Adrian returns.

Why doesn’t Deran hook up with his bartender? I don’t trust this muscle head he’s fucking now.

R91, technically, no one has said the bartender's gay. I agree with you, though. He's hot and trustworthy.

Considering how badly Smurf treated Julia, I’m glad J was the one who killed her. It seems like karmic justice.

R90, I think Deran will leave and go find Adrian.

It’s hard to date when getting close to someone puts his life in danger.

Smurf was a horrendous mother!

Some of these scenes with the younger Smurf and Andrew are bordering on incest. Do we ever find out who J's father is?? Baz perhaps?

I think it's going to be a shocker R97, and turn out to be Pope.

I bin Pope is Jay’s father! Am I the first to posit this?

No. People have been speculating that it might be the case since season 1.

I hated the scene of Craig and the new guy ripping people off at a diner. I get that they’re anti heroes, but they usually go after the rich and dubious instead of working class people.

I dunno, I felt like it was a bad way to establish a character I’m guessing we’re supposed to see as a good influence on Craig. Just mean spirited and nasty.

Was that to show Craig that he's not a cop, R101? If it's foreshadowed that a brother will turn on a brother - maybe it will be Craig? He's the weakest link. His relationship with Deran has changed, he's blowing off family business, and there's the ongoing conflict with Ren. He's not a happy guy at the moment.

Still wondering if Deran's hookup is an undercover agent. I guess we'll find out.

They have all allowed outside people into their lives. Now, we wait and see which one is the duplicitous one that will bring them down. They're showing two new episodes every week. It seems like their trying to just drop the final season as quickly as possible and be done with it.

Quite frankly, I would be okay if J ends up killing all of them.

I’m kind of hoping that as each episode moves towards the end another one falls until J is the last one intensely pursued and desperate in the final episode.

I think J will make each of them turn on each other , planting subtle seeds of doubt about their own brothers and watch them implode from within, something he knew Smurf didn’t want. Then he gets his life long revenge for how his mom was used and abused. I used to think Baz raped Julia and J was the kid but some of those flashbacks seem like Pope went off his meds (or he wasn’t on them and was given some other Shit from psycho Smurf) and he raped his own sister hence being he’s Js bio dad and uncle. So J needs to take him out but it will be more Shakespearean as Pope atones for his sins, admits his life was ruined by Smurfs abuse and begs J to kill him. Maybe J instead does something far more sinister, he lets the cops arrest Pope and he’s thrown in a mental institution for life.

Young Pope wasn’t on meds. I don’t think we’ll see a lot of deaths. Pope will be arrested for murder. Deran will go to Indonesia to find Adrian. Perhaps Craig will OD. J takes the money and runs.

I think at least one of the brothers will die.

The actor Kevin Csolak who plays young Pope/Andrew is cute.

I think he has Pope's demeanor down, perfectly.

That said, I never would have guessed that he was in West Side Story!

I am not here for Deran's new "boyfriend". That is not a relationship that would ever exist, except behind closed doors. And I must have missed something, but where did he come from?

I also don’t know where he came from. It seemed like they wanted us to think that he continues to have a rotating cast of partners.

But, I mean, Deran is a dirtbag.

Wow, this show was on even when I was little in the '70s, I can't believe it's still going! Mutual of Omaha's Animal Kingdom...

Also, why are Deran's sex scenes always in that FUCKING back room of his bar? You're right as sexy as the actor is...Deran IS a dirtbag and hardly worth the trouble. I can't imagine why ANYONE besides Adrian would put up with his bullshit.

When soap opera dude was like "I want to get to know you" I'm like...WHY?

I suspect they have no gay writers. I know gays come in all stripes but it’s a little hard to understand why really hot guys make a beeline for a chain smoking thug. Now, I COULD see him attracting meth heads who just want to be pounded silly for eight hours…

You're amazingly clever R112.

That’s where I have seen Deran’s new boyfriend! He used to play Thomas Forrester on Bold & the Beautiful.

I’m surprised he was willing to go gay since he is apparently very straight.

R114, sadly, I must agree. Deran used to have a bad boy sex appeal. Now, he looks greasy, dirty, and smelly.

New episodes tonight!

R116 what is the actor's name? He's not listed in the AK IMDB credits, and I want to search for photos of him.

R112, I believe it was Mutual of Omaha's WILD Kingdom. Not Animal Kingdom.

R118, his name is Pierson Fodé.

Damn, young Andrew has a nice chest.

Pierson tells us all about it

Thanks, R119!

We all hope that Adrian comes back before the series ends, but there will be another way to see the actor. There's a remake of the Stephen King novel "Salem's Lot" in production. That was one of my favorite SK books and the TV movie was very well done - so scary. Anyhow, the main character of the story is Mike Ryerson and I was pleased to see that Spencer Treat Clark (Adrian) is playing him.

Thanks for the heads up, R123!

Is there a new episode tonight?

I didn't see one last Sunday.

R116 Pierson Fodé played gay in the movie Naomi and Ely's No Kiss List back in 2015.

New episode tonight.

It looks like TNT really is trying to get Animal Kingdom out of the way.

In the first two weeks of airing this final season, TNT would show two episodes, and then an encore of the two episodes.

This week, they're only airing the two episodes and that's it.

That's usually a sign that they've given up on the show.

They didn't air two episodes last week and wont this week either. And there will be an encore at 10pm.

Thanks for clarifying, R128.

They’re really painting young Baz as a creep. Was adult Baz portrayed so badly?

I'm not feeling this season. At this stage, I'm just waiting to see what happens to Deran.

Adult Baz was definitely a cunt who was super shitty to his daughter and her mother.

But creepy?

What are you guys referring to when you say that young Baz is "creepy?"

All I can see is his hotness.

The actor has a fantastic body and a beautiful face. His only drawback is that he's super short.

Leila George towers over him.

Nice that we got to see young Billy's ass.

It's pretty rare to see a guy eating out a girl's pussy on television!

Lol.

That was pretty raunchy, even for this show.

Baz is so hot though.

I find it creepy the way he hits on Julia and winks at Smurf.

I like how they have the stories mirror each other, Baz can’t get Craig and Daren to sleep because they’re fighting and trying to kill each other in the past, and then it happens in the present day.

This last was a terrible episode. That jewelry heist was ridiculous. How these numbnuts have the brains to pull off all these elaborate technical capers has for me been the show's weak spot from the beginning.

I agree, R139. Sadly.

It's all I could think of, watching this episode.

As if security wouldn't be suspicious with the fire martial walking through the building, the city sewer worker accidentally hitting a pipe, and a member of the press getting hit by a car - all at the same time!!

And tell me the Vietnamese douche guy didn't recognize Craig getting hit by the car, when he was just kicked out of his gallery just a few days earlier.

Oh, and no one saw the fire inspector Deran taking jewelry off the tree branches, and replacing them with fakes? I mean, there were cater waiters walking all over the floor.

Not only that, but how would all that expensive jewelry remain inside the gallery - UNGUARDED - allowing Deran to go strolling through there, and no one noticing?

Give me a break.

I feel like last season was amazing, and this season is really weak.

Also, that heist was too dependent on predicting the behavior of a lot of other people and if anything had gone wrong, their faces would be all over security and pap cameras.

Prints all over the fake jewels. Is the cop just unaware of Pope's OCD or is she trying to set up the snitch with the cereal box?

Still didn't hate the episode.

R139 One of the main reasons why my heart hasn't been in this show for a couple of seasons. At least with Smurf, there was something other than jewel heists. There was that tension from their obligation to their overbearing mother. With Smurf gone, there was this tremendous opportunity to give the brothers some growth. Some dimension. But every season goes Pope is crazy, J sinks further into the dark side, Deran has sex in the back of his bar, and the other one is still a scumbag despite have a baby.

I can't...

We could probably guess the plots of the remaining episodes based on their names: July 18 - Incognito July 24 - Revelation July 31 - Gethsemane Aug. 7 - Clink Aug. 14 - Hit and Run Aug. 21 - Exodus Aug. 28 - Fubar

They are a well known crime family in the area. Yet, they continue to pull jobs without much of a disguise. Wouldn't someone wise up?

Smurf was a horrendous mother, especially to Julia. I can see why she left home and get seriously hooked on drugs.

[quote] Smurf was a horrendous mother, especially to Julia. I can see why she left home and get seriously hooked on drugs.

I don't think that's why Julia left.

Yes, Smurf was a horrible mother. But Julia still tolerated her.

Something major happened, to make Julia 100% estranged from her mother and her brothers. Julia abandoned them completely.

I think it has something to do with Baz.

Smurf knows how much Julia is in love with Baz, and she's going to do something to destroy that relationship. Smurf will probably sleep with Baz, and Julia will be devastated.

Only then will she find out that she's pregnant with J, and on her own.

[quote] We could probably guess the plots of the remaining episodes based on their names.

Rottentomatoes also provides vague descriptions of plot points in each of the remaining episodes. I'll provide a few of those descriptions in case anyone else is looking for whether Adrian returns or if anyone is wondering what is supposed to happen in the finale.

*** WARNING **** MINOR, VAGUE SPOILERS AHEAD. ***** SKIP TO THE NEXT POST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT FUTURE EPISODES *****

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[quote] Episode 11: "Pope goes to solitary confinement; Deran gets a visit from an old friend; J, Craig, and Deran decide what to do about Pope;"

[quote] Episode 12: "Pope offers information on a cold case in exchange for a prison transfer; Deran says goodbye to the bar."

[quote] Episode 13 (finale): "The Cody boys embark on their most dangerous job yet; Andrew commits the original sin that destroyed the family."

What is the original sin that destroyed the family? The reference to the name "Andrew" refers to the past storyline with Smurf.

[quote] What is the original sin that destroyed the family?

Incest. He's J's father. Hence, the weird bonding moment in Sunday's episode.

It's Animal Kingdom's "Luke, I am your father" moment.

That's why Julia packed up and left and never returned.

r148, I take that to mean that Pope/Andrew turns state witness against his own family and one or more of them will get killed.

I skipped r148.

The timeline will be strange if J is born soon. He shouldn't exist until ~1999.

I think Pope will rape Julia. He’s J’s father.

I agree with you R152.

That's my guess too.

Is there a new episode tonight?

How many until the finale?

Shawn Hatosy could have done so much more and better with his talent. And his face.

R154 Yes there is. Only 6 more episodes after tonights.

I haven't watched anything from the new season. I want to binge when it's all released.

Nice shot of Young Pope butt! When exactly is that time line taking place, mid 80s early 90s? Smurf mentioning Target as a reference seemed a bit off, saying K-Mart, but electronics seems more likely.

Damn, young Pope's ass looked spectacular!!

That actor has an amazing body.

Another weak episode.

Pope falling for that stupid lady's lies.

J beating up a restaurant owner who is actually shorter than he is!

Deran calling out to the guy with a shotgun, and the guy conveniently shooting Deran in the bulletproof vest, rather than between the eyes.

You can tell the writers just gave up in this final season.

Kevin Csolak (young Pope) is so hot!

Damn young Pope IS hot. That guy was in West Side story, wasn’t he? He’s some kind of dancer I think.

Any gay scenes in the July 17th episode?

Nope R163

Thanks for nothing, R164. ;) I better get some Deran + Adrian action in the series finale. This season has been painful to watch.

I like the show so much that I suspend disbelief . Young pope is very convincing . His character gives me more insight into adult Pope .

Tones of invest all over … I didn’t read spoiler but please clarify the following : 1. Julia and pope bio kids of smurf.

2. Who are bio parents of Baz! I know it’s not smurf I think and if it’s a different dad, not technically incest between Julia and baz. 3. Smurf against their relp cuz she wants to fuck all her sons . Highly suggestive with pope and baz.

I’m hopelessly in love with Craig — he’s married in real life to Remna

Baz is the son of one of Smurf’s criminal associates—Linda. Linda betrayed Smurf and almost got her killed by Max, the old crime boss of Oceanside. I don’t think we were ever shown what happened to Linda. Perhaps to come. Not hard to imagine Smurf killed her.

Young Pope's perpetual scowl is almost comic in its phoniness.

I was so taken with how handsome Young Baz was, that I didn't even notice how hot Young Andrew was.

Kevin Csolak is gorgeous, not to mention his hot ass at R161.

New episode tonight, and I DEMAND Deran and Tommy to hook up!

Wow, only five more episodes.

How in the hell are they going to wrap everything up in five episodes?

None of their stories are even close to being resolved yet.

There better be some gay in tonight’s episode. Just sayin’.

Is the Tommy character gay?

We don't know much about Tommy, R173.

The show has kept his sexuality very ambiguous.

So what in the hell was wrong with Andrew, when he caught Julia giving Baz a blowjob?

He totally freaked out and ran away. And she was saying, "Andrew, I'm sorry!!"

What in the hell is she sorry about?

Lots of action this episode.

It's pretty clear that Renn is a horrible influence on Craig.

After all these episodes where he was clean and sober and getting his life together, she really fucked him up.

I hope she doesn't take him all the way down.

Then there's Tommy who totally fucked up. He's a total amateur.

Not sure what was up with that heist, but it was lame.

As for Pope, I think that this dirty cop is going to get him to confess to killing Kath, and he'll bring down the whole family.

They've been playing up the religious side of Pope this whole season, and in next week's preview the cop tells him that the only path to redemption is to "confess." Uh oh.

The more I see that kid Taylor, the better looking he gets. His name is Diego Josef, and he's really cute.

I think young Pope is a horrific actor. The guy playing young Baz looks more like Shawn Hatosy and Leila George.

Pope thinks of Baz as a brother, so he was reacting to incest in the family Also, his new status as third wheel. Maybe some actual jealousy.

Another episode filled with not much. Treading water.

R172 Maybe next week

I like that they’ve made Pope’s OCD an element in the storytelling and a weirdly positive one,

You're worried that Craig might be "brought down"? They all deserve the slammer.

Craig’s baby is dead before the finale right?

I repeat:

1) Pope goes to prison

2) Craig ODs

3) Deran goes off to find Adrian

4) J endures

So J gets a spin-off?

Not with that mustache.

Actually I think Ren will OD and Craig will clean up leave town with his baby to start over. Deran will be the one to die. That will be the tragedy. J will endure. Pope is going to jail.

So the baby is doomed to go through life with that creep for a father? Why is it a tragedy that Deran dies? He's a criminal!

I agree r186. I guess my sarcasm didn’t come through. Most on DL want Deran reunited with Adrian. I just don’t see that happening. Considering how Craig looks at his child, I really believe he’ll surprise us and do right by him.

[quote]He’s a criminal!

I blame the mother.

The hardest part of this season for me is watching the flashback scenes with Smurf. God, she's a horrible bitch!

Agree, r189. You just have to flash forward in your mind to her horrible end.

R185 Yes, kill off the gay

All I know is that I'll miss all the hot guys on this show.

r191, Oh Girl, calm down. I'm not wishing for Deran's death. Just predicting it but then again, he's fictional rough trade. No bit loss.

Do you think Tommy's little heist will play a role in the final outcome of the show?

I wonder if he will be ID'ed by the dentist that he robbed, and Tommy (being a chickenshit) will crack under pressure from the cops, and expose the Codys in order to make a plea deal. Sort of like Adrian did.

There's no way they would put that robbery in the final season, for it to not mean anything.

I was thinking the same thing r194. Or maybe it's just a way to finally get Deran interested in Tommy and starting a relationship. Tommy is so fucking cute!

OR . . . the coins aren't worth anything and the brothers will turn on Tommy.

Or his wound will fester and he’ll die behind the bar and the stench will force Deran to sell the bar.

Of course some of us a patiently waiting for the payoff to the “Smurf left everything to a stranger” plot line, and Nick Stahl’s return as Pope’s cousin Mike.

R67 she'sthe daughter of Vincent D'Onofrio and Greta Scacchi. Spitting image of her mother. I can believe she married ol' musty balled Sean Penn. That's over now apparently.

So here's my take on the Codys.

It's nature versus nurture.

Smurf raised them to be "animals," hence the name of the show.

But some of them are trying to be better.

Craig is trying to raise his son outside of the drug and crime life. Unfortunately, his girlfriend is trash and a drug addict, who keeps sucking him back into the life.

Craig is going to have to decide what's best for him, and what's best for his son.

Deran is also trying to be legit. He opened his own bar business, and wanted to do his own thing.

But the family pulled him back in, and he's teetering on the line between good and bad.

J is just bad. Of all of them, he is the most criminal minded, and he's the biggest scammer of all. A wannabe Smurf.

Pope is just fucked up. OCD, Bipolar, mental illness, and abuse.

He could never have changed what he eventually became.

So I look at their family through a fair lens.

Yes, they're awful people. But the question is, how did they become such awful people, and are they completely to blame for who they are?

Allow me to remind you maafuckas, especially those of you lusting over these rough trade assholes, what horrible people they are.

I will never forget Mrs. Fullerton, S3E5 ‘Prey’ who was suffering from dementia, and who was left at a bus stop with her [Bold]poor cat[/Bold], homeless, alone, with no ID (which they also took), or food. All because she couldn’t remember what she paid in rent, which Smurf needed all tenants to lie about as the heat was on her regarding her money laundering properties. It would have been easy for them to pawn off her forgetfulness to obvious dementia, but instead they did what they did to her.

And since then I’ve continued to revenge watch, waiting for the moment that AAALLLL of these pieces of shit are obliterated, one by one or all at once, I don’t care. Especially J, who is coldest and most heartless of them all. Because unlike Mrs. Fullerton, I remember what they did. And I kept waiting for J to turn back around and get her, but he didn’t.

What they did to her still bothers me to this day.

Even Tony Soprano had a version of a conscience and a fondness for animals. These cunts? I’m praying for that all consuming grease fire. They deserve nothing less, all of them!

In the original Australian film which the TV series is based on, if I remember correctly, Pope and either Baz or Craig gets killed and Smurf and J were still living by the film's end. It was implied that J would be the new leader of the crime family. I'm really hoping J dies for the reasons r199 stated. He's an arrogant criminal minded POS.

I feel J has the long con to fuck them all over for what they all contributed to his moms downfall. Baz is his bio dad but I think Smurf fucked him as well so the whole family has so many demons, they all probably need to die in a literal blaze of glory to end the bloodline.

Deran and Tommy ending up together would be very satisfying for me.

It's like they're both hiding their feelings for each other.

Excellent, r200. Mrs. Fullerton and her fate remind me of Lois Smith in The Americans (was she an overnight worker somewhere?) who died unnecessarily at the hands of the Jennings. I wanted them to die, too.

R184 You're INSANE. That pornstache is SO HOT.

R200 Unlike, the Sopranos, I also think the writers are cowards in the sense that these guys are immoral enough--or supposed to be, so they SHOULD be killing left and right. For them not to seems too safe to me.

Kinda like a serial killer who ONLY kills bad guys. FOH

I really dislike the female cop that's onto Pope. The actress is doing a great job of making her unlikable.

r204, I really miss The Americans. There's nothing else that well done, at all levels, with that degree of suspense, in production now.

I'd put Better Call Saul in that category, r208.

Better Call Saul is the worst.

AMC tries to pretend that it's Shakespeare, but the fact that it's being cancelled tells you what the viewers think of it.

Cancelled?? Ha ha!

How many episodes are left now?

It’s not cancelled. It’s over. They have caught up to the Breaking Bad timeline.

Asking about Animal Kingdom, R213.

Responding to r210.

Any gay in today’s episode?

Nope. Deran fires the bartender.

Here's the ratings for Season six so far. Ratings are growing when compared to the start of the season, but less than 1 million people are tuning in. (From TVSeriesfinale.com)

R216 Nope. He's basically just a character who's along for the ride of the other characters.

Odd that Pope’s confession is not shown.

How much longer do we have?

r217, why?

Because Deran knew the bar was doomed thanks to Pope's confession.

Will Pope take a reduced sentence in exchange for info on all of the family's nefarious doings over the years?

Will the brothers have Pope offed in prison to keep him from talking?

That aspie fuck needs to die.

I don’t think Pope’s a rat.

He might become one if he embraces Jesus and wants to save their souls.

I believe that little shit J is going to have Pope killed. Craig and Deran need to team up and take J out.

They all need to go to jail!! What redeeming qualities do you find in any of them?

Deran throws a mean fuck.

Which he can put to good use in a jail cell.

Pope is so fucking stupid.

Letting that dumb bitch convince him to confess to the murder, WITHOUT an attorney present.

I didn't like Deran turning on Tommy. That wasn't cool. Tommy has been so loyal to him for years.

Why did J give his new girlfriend an apartment?

And if Craig knew what was good for him, he'd move to Texas with Renn.

I wonder what part Dennis Leary will play in this story? He still hasn't made an appearance yet.

I really want someone to push that smug, dirty female cop down two flights of stairs.

I'm watching the Animal Kingdom movie on Showtime.

I didn't realize that the American show was based on an original Australian movie.

Guy Pearce was great in this movie, and the kid who played J (James Frecheville) is really cute.

I wish they had gone with a tall and imposing actor like Frecheville, rather than shorty little Finn Cole.

How does the film end? I don't remember and don't want to have to re-watch it.

[quote] How does the film end? I don't remember and don't want to have to re-watch it.

It was a weird ending, and I didn't quite understand it.

So J ratted out his family.

He went into the witness protection program, but he was getting stressed out because he kept thinking that Smurf was going to have him killed.

Then he ran away from WP and found Smurf and her attorney. He said he didn't want to run any more, and he would throw the case so Andrew and Darren would be acquitted.

In the end, Pope and Darren were acquitted. They celebrate.

Out of nowhere, J returns to Smurf's house where Pope and Darren are grilling on the BBQ. J says he's tired and just wants to "come home" and rest a bit.

Pope shows up in J's bedroom and starts talking. All we hear is a gun shot, and J walks out of the room, after shooting Pope.

Then Smurf comes to see what happened.

J comes out of the bedroom, in a daze. Smurf hugs him and J hugs her back.

Honestly, the ending was weird.

Did James Frecheville ever play gay?

I found a few photos of him in a movie where he looked intimate with another guy.

I'm starting to think that J is going to have Pope "assassinated" in prison.

If the tv show is anything like the Australian movie, then that's what's going to happen.

Except that in the movie, J shot Pope in Smurf's house.

The tv show might just give a nod to the movie, and have J kill his father/uncle.

Didn’t Pope actually do well in prison before, that how the whole series opened, him finally being released. The ridged structure and schedule worked well with his OCD.

Finale!

This is episode 10. The finale is the 28th. Four more (including tonight) to go!

Looks like Pope gets stabbed in jail, in tonight's episode.

Any gay in tonight’s episode?

Why is the actress playing Smurf looking even younger this season (beyond the obvious of discarding Penn and the relief of getting out of that relationship)? Is it actually supposed to be happening on screen, that she’s purposely doing it to compete with the younger girls for Baz’s attention. Is it lack of attention to detail, that she’s supposed to be the mother of 18 year old twins?

This is not the season of the noose tightening around the boys slowly strangling them to death that I had expected.

Prison break means leave town or death.

The Smurf flashbacks are disturbing. What a nasty bitch!

Who’s the Latina dyke talking to Deran? I don’t remember her.

R242 Nope.

Same here, R244.

Only three episodes left and I have no idea how it's going to end.

I have a feeling that the ending will be rushed, and not very satisfying.

I really hope the Tommy story is done because the constant discussion over such an irrelevant and boring character has been going on for two seasons now and it’s tedious as fuck. He also isn’t nearly as hot as you guys are making him out to be.

I'm still hoping that Tommy and Deran will end up together.

Tommy is so loyal to Deran. Even more so than Adrian.

Thanks, R282. What a shame! The final episode better deliver a romantic, gay ending for Deran. I'll be pissed if he dies or ends up alone.

Correction, thanks R248! I don't know where the h$%^ R282 came from. After work brain, I guess.

Why does Deran deserve a romantic ending? He's a criminal!

[quote] Why does Deran deserve a romantic ending? He's a criminal!

It's FICTION. Idiot.

I like Deran. And I like that he's gay.

So I want him to have a happy ending.

If you don't like it, then tough shit.

You're funny, r255.

R256 I was going with pathetic but funny ALSO applies

Just watched the movie. It’s more like the first few episodes—definite focus on J’ adaptation to the family. Oddly, he narrates at the beginning, but then stops.

We don’t see them pull any jobs, but they are dividing up the cash from their last one. The cops assassinate Baz in the first 30 minutes, the brothers then kill two cops in revenge, the cops then kill Craig about halfway through. The cops suspect the Codeys of killing the cops, but don’t have the evidence. The cops pressure J to flip. Pope gets paranoid and kill’s J’s girlfriend thinking she has been talking and goes after J who flees into witness protection. Pope and Deran are arrested. Smurf learns where J is hiding and arranges for dirty cops to kill him, but he escapes. J then decides his best move is to cooperate with the Codey lawyers to testify in a way to undermine the prosecution’s case. The brothers are acquitted. After the trial, the lead cop (Guy Pearce) asks J, “Have you figured out where you fit?” J departs without answering.

J returns home and the family seems ready to welcome him. He goes to lie down. When Pope enters his bedroom, J shoots him in the head. He exits and embraces Smurf, with Deran looking on in shock.

Smurf is not initially portrayed as the boss. She gets a cut of the money, but seems like just an inappropriately physical mother. But gradually it becomes clear she is in charge and eventually she order s hit on J.

At one point Pope asks Deran if he is gay, but Deran doesn’t answer.

If you're hoping for some happy ending for Deran and Adrian, the writers have a clue for you.

The title of the finale is "FUBAR." (Which means Fucked Up Beyond All Repair.)

R259, perhaps so FUBAR in the U.S. that Deran flees the country and reunites with Adrian in Indonesia?!?! Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I refuse to accept he’ll end the series alone or dead.

[quote] I refuse to accept he’ll end the series alone or dead.

In a recent interview, Jake Weary (Deran) hemmed and hawed around with the question about Adrian from the interviewer when he was promoting the final season. He finally said something like "people (the audience) can potentially -- I think they'll be happy with where things are left off on that front."

So they end up together? Or die in each others arms? Never trust a squirrely actor.

I can't believe there are only three more episodes left!

I think Dennis Leary returns tonight.

I'm so fucking annoyed that Deran had no gay hookups this season, but we had to endure seeing Craig fuck a female in nearly every episode.

WTF???

R263 He had that one guy played by Pierson Fode, but he scared him off after beating the shit out of that homophobe. Totally wasted.

I didn’t even realize it was Pierson until he was gone.

[quote] He had that one guy played by Pierson Fode, but he scared him off after beating the shit out of that homophobe. Totally wasted.

I don't think they were showed having sex.

It was just a "morning after" kind of thing, out on the sun deck.

Do the asshole writers understand that many of us only watch the show for Deran???

"they were showed having sex"?

Oh, dear!!!

At least tonight’s episode established that Deran will try to go to Indonesia to be with Adrian. We’ll see. I think Jay’s going to double-cross them.

Interesting to see Speedman back, but kind of weird they didn’t use makeup and filters to make them younger. How much time did Pope spend in jail the first time prior to when the show started?

Well that was a damned interesting episode.

Loved seeing Speedman and Dennis Leary back again.

So they finally brought up the elephant in the room. Pope DID have a thing for his sister. Ew.

I think the wheels are starting to turn in Deran and Craig's heads. They know that J is screwing them over.

And J knows that they know.

You can see the lines being drawn, and I can't wait to see who comes out on top.

I think it'll be J.

There was a little bit for foreshadowing that Deran will die.

First he mentioned that he had a friend in Indonesia (who didn't want to see him), and then there was the long goodbye with Billy. I'm pretty sure that Deran is toast.

I think Craig will survive, and end up moving to Thailand with Renn and the baby.

Not sure what will happen to Pope.

I hate Craig. The actor who plays him is sexy but his storylines are always painful to get though. I hope he’s not the one who survives.

Seeing as how this show has totally FRAUED out this season R271, I think they'll give Craig and his "precious little family" the happy ending.

And naturally, they'll kill of the gay character.

I think the surprises will come with what happens to J and Pope.

[quote] I think the surprises will come with what happens to J and Pope.

It looks like Pope is going to end up being J's father.

The preview for next week shows Julia getting kicked out of the house by Smurf. Probably for stealing money from her, after doing jobs.

Julia's going to get back at Smurf, by sleeping with Andrew. Or maybe she'll be strung out on drugs, and has sex with Andrew in a haze.

In any case, I think that Pope is going to tell J, and J is going to kill him.

R266 I think the writers COMPLETELY understand that many of you ONLY watch to see Deran hook up and that's probably why there's so little of it.

R273 So, you CLEARLY either have spoilers or access to the scripts. Why are you pretending like you don't?

I’m kind of hoping the house gets blown up or burned to the ground before the end of this all.

[quote] you CLEARLY either have spoilers or access to the scripts. Why are you pretending like you don't?

I don't have access to shit, R275.

I'm just guessing.

But with two episodes left, it looks like things are headed that way.

Because, you know, I have a brain and can follow a story.

Weirdo.

They wouldn’t dare kill the gay one.

Oh, they would R278.

It's a total "Bro show."

This season, the writers have basically erased Deran's gayness, and focused on Craig and his STRAIGHT sex encounters.

That could be why Eliza Clark quit.

She was an Executive Producer for the show, and Spencer Treat Clark's (Adrian) sister.

I think the show runner decided he wanted to de-gay the show and get rid of the Adrian character, and she probably wasn't happy about it.

So they both ended up leaving.

Now there's no trace of gay left on the show, except for very casual references to it this season.

I'm sad this show is ending because Deran is one of the few gay male characters in a current show that isn't camp, young, working in a stereotypical field, etc. He's multidimensional and has a gritty edge, whether you love or hate his actions.

Gritty edge? He’s 100% grit.

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R277 SURE.

I think Pope was in prison for five years the first time, so ~2011-2016. They definitely could have used some deaging on him and Scott.