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Why is Friends so wildly popular in the UK?

It's the most watched show in the UK, even nearly two decades after it's ended. Why do you people love it so much?

by Anonymousreply 121June 20, 2022 7:07 PM

Friends sucked. Maybe they don't realize how grossly unrealistic it actually is.

by Anonymousreply 1June 16, 2022 3:54 PM

Lots of immigrants watch it because it’s easy to follow and clear and they can learn English this way is my best guess. Personally I found the first few series great but ended up loathing almost everything about it by the end.

by Anonymousreply 2June 16, 2022 4:04 PM

I was watching it last night. It is amusing, free of drama and politics and any deep thought.

by Anonymousreply 3June 16, 2022 4:06 PM

It's a fantasy version of big city life in America that people in other countries love.

by Anonymousreply 4June 16, 2022 4:22 PM

r3 is correct. It's escapism. r1 is missing the point. Of course it's unrealistic. Why would a large foreign audience want to watch a realistic depiction of life in this country?

by Anonymousreply 5June 16, 2022 4:25 PM

It's not with Miriam Margolyes.

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by Anonymousreply 6June 16, 2022 4:29 PM

Why did america watch it?

by Anonymousreply 7June 16, 2022 4:31 PM

Because, contrary to popular perception, the Brits’ cultural tastes are really fucking basic.

by Anonymousreply 8June 16, 2022 4:37 PM

If you had a future of Camilla “Barker” Bowles as your queen, wouldn’t you want to gaze on beautiful, funny people?

by Anonymousreply 9June 16, 2022 4:45 PM

I work a few blocks from the "Apartment". Literally, thouands of tourists have asked me where that building is. It's like the Holy Grail. What about the MET, MoMa or St Patty's? Nope, it's the GD friends apartment, then Carrie's apartment from "Sex and the City". UGH!

by Anonymousreply 10June 16, 2022 4:50 PM

I have never watched a full episode of Friends. I could never get into it.

by Anonymousreply 11June 16, 2022 5:05 PM

They like to marvel at how all the actors teeth are so nice and white and straight.

by Anonymousreply 12June 16, 2022 5:27 PM

It's not wildly popular in the UK at all.

At it's peak, it was watched by around 4-5m people and repeat showings nowadays rarely trouble 500k. Where are you getting your information from?

by Anonymousreply 13June 16, 2022 6:57 PM

It isn't the most watched show in the UK and never was.

by Anonymousreply 14June 16, 2022 7:44 PM

Complete bullshit thread and you suckers fell for it.

by Anonymousreply 15June 16, 2022 7:49 PM

The Brits love the (American) humour of it.

It's become a thing now to sneer at the English all the time. It's almost as boring as DL "liberal" political threads.

by Anonymousreply 16June 16, 2022 8:35 PM

[quote]The Brits love the (American) humour of it.

Too bad it's not all that funny.

by Anonymousreply 17June 16, 2022 9:09 PM

If it was accurate, many of them would have New York area accents. Only Joey, Ross and Janice have NY accents. The rest sound California as hell. But if they did have realistic accents, it would not be nearly as popular as it was because NY accents are quite harsh and unpleasant. I can see it being reasonably popular UK, it did inspire Coupling. But I feel Seinfeld would be way more popular because it's type of humor is more similar to black comedies of loser protagonists in nihilistic situations that British love. Friends is very American in it's unrelenting optimism and color.

by Anonymousreply 18June 16, 2022 11:49 PM

[quote] Because, contrary to popular perception, the Brits’ cultural tastes are really fucking basic.

Yes exactly. Their pop music even manages to be even worse than American pop.

by Anonymousreply 19June 16, 2022 11:50 PM

Yeah OP completely made this up. It's utterly bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 20June 16, 2022 11:55 PM

Is the reason there's so many feminine hygiene products commercials in the US because everyone there is a douche?

by Anonymousreply 21June 16, 2022 11:58 PM

I've always thought it has something to do with the fact the show celebrates lazing around and drinking coffee with your friends and not doing much. Chandler and Ross are the only ones who start out with real jobs, and Phoebe and Monica and Joey never do much actual work. Rachel casually drifts upward in terms of her career, but isn't driven at all.

by Anonymousreply 22June 17, 2022 12:05 AM
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by Anonymousreply 23June 17, 2022 12:09 AM

R22 And also the fact they are adults who do everything together like they're still in high school even celebrating holidays together. Many adults don't have those type of friendships especially if they're all different personalities with different careers. Realistically they would see each other maybe once a week at best or not together as group. Types like Chandler, Monica, Rachel and Ross who are upper class would actually not mix with types like Phoebe and Joey in real life. The lack of real world consequences made it great escapist entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 24June 17, 2022 12:09 AM

R23 An article from 2018, with a sample of 2500 people and only about streaming? Really?

by Anonymousreply 25June 17, 2022 12:26 AM

Matt LeBlanc and David Scwimmer's shirtless scenes made it watchable. All of the female characters became shrill and annoying and the men were bumbling and perverted like old sexist stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 26June 17, 2022 1:21 AM

^🎶come and knock on our door!🎶

by Anonymousreply 27June 17, 2022 1:30 AM

It’s not a funny show.

I think the characters were so lovable to people, they found them funny.

Like I watched Full House as a kid but I don’t think I ever laughed at it. I never found it funny but I loved to watch the characters.

That’s how I imagine people are with Friends. People cannot possibly think it’s laugh out loud hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 28June 17, 2022 1:51 AM

Germans love The Big Bang Theory.

by Anonymousreply 29June 17, 2022 1:52 AM

The British see Friends as an idealized funny version of what Americans in their twenties are like in America.

by Anonymousreply 30June 17, 2022 1:56 AM

R8 has got it, but if he uses the ointment for the next week, it should go away.

by Anonymousreply 31June 17, 2022 2:03 AM

Let’s admit tv is mostly comfort food for the brain.

That’s what the bbc has never understood because it never had to. All these intellectually challenging tv shows that are exported to the states, where npr types avidly watch them? No one watches them in the uk.

Like Americans, Britons are tired when they get home at night. They want to relax and watch something pleasant and/or funny. Maybe something exciting. It’s not rocket science.

by Anonymousreply 32June 17, 2022 2:07 AM

I can count on one hand the number of full episodes I've watched - and I'm an American who remembers when "Friends" debuted. I didn't (and don't) understand the appeal of the show or of its counterpart, the eponymous "show about nothing."

by Anonymousreply 33June 17, 2022 2:22 AM

R33 Someone here once nailed it.

TV shows for toddlers usually become popular not because of the content but because babies like to watch colors and music.

Friends was like Teletubbies for adults. The sets and wardrobe were colorful, the music was hip and cheery - the theme song was a huge hit, and the characters were all goofy and upbeat to make everyone enjoy it all.

by Anonymousreply 34June 17, 2022 2:41 AM

Because nobody in Britain looks like anyone in that cast, so the Brits find them and the show exotic, interesting and appealing.

by Anonymousreply 35June 17, 2022 3:58 AM

Many people dream of life in America. A dear friend lives in the UK after living in the US for years. He and his husband have done everything they can to move back to the US. They have what looks like a wonderful and comfortable like with a home in London and one elsewhere. Yet they obsess about moving back here. It's weird to me.

by Anonymousreply 36June 17, 2022 4:07 AM

^ if they're so well off they can invest in America and get thru that way.

by Anonymousreply 37June 17, 2022 8:07 AM

Americans have no idea about the UK. You are entrenched in stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 38June 17, 2022 8:19 AM

Hah, no r12. I'm always horrified by the peroxide whiteness of American teeth. There's even a great Friends episode about the horrors of teeth whitening.

by Anonymousreply 39June 17, 2022 8:36 AM

We like Friends because it's cute and funny and enjoyable to watch. It's also relatable (relationships, family situations, work life). We never thought it was a realistic representation of life in the US.

by Anonymousreply 40June 17, 2022 8:38 AM

OP, we in the UK all watch Friends because we’re so fascinated by your fabulous lives. Every night without fail we all gather in front of the tv and breathlessly watch an episode of Friends, gasping at your beauty and wealth. Later, in bed, as we blow out the candle, close our eyes and drift off, we dream that one day we too might enjoy two weeks a year of paid time off, extortionate health insurance premiums, and weekly mass shootings.

by Anonymousreply 41June 17, 2022 8:57 AM

[quote]Why do you people love it so much?

They don't.

The real question is: Why do people watch it?

Answer: Because it is on.

It was/is? in syndication for donkey's years, with a prominent time slot. Everything was done to make it available, to promote it, to carry on as if it were great TV fare. Surely, it shares the same promotion team as James Blunt's "You're Beautiful"?

The only people I have ever heard use the word "love" or strong accolades for the series will go on to qualify the statement, "Because when I moved to London and I knew only a few words of English it was always on," because the dialogue is simple and the vocabulary and expressions repetitive, binge watching friends was a helpful thing to a lot of people learning English in the U.K. - American English, but still English.

by Anonymousreply 42June 17, 2022 8:57 AM

Friends is bigger in the UK than it ever was in the US. Their obsession with it is beyond weird. This is the same group of people who think Miranda and Mrs. Brown’s Boys are hilarious, so. They name drop Friends in all their shows and even built the goddamn coffee shop. The cast frequently works in the UK. Matt LeBlanc even hosted Top Gear.

by Anonymousreply 43June 17, 2022 9:56 AM

There are Friends marathons on in the UK every damn day.

by Anonymousreply 44June 17, 2022 9:57 AM

The bartender who died recently who mostly had one or zero lines on the show would sometimes turn up here in London on TV talk shows - big fuss they'd make of who was basically an extra and had ZERO personality to match.

by Anonymousreply 45June 17, 2022 1:24 PM

^ It’s just schedule filler. Everybody has seen them a million times.

by Anonymousreply 46June 17, 2022 2:44 PM

they're re-running Frasier yet again on Channel 4

by Anonymousreply 47June 17, 2022 3:32 PM

The people saying it's filler have a point. In the US, Friends is always on and has been on for over 20 years in nonstop syndication. Always airing on three different cable networks at different times and still network syndication. Like Seinfeld, Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Everybody Loves Raymond, That 70s Show, The Office and others. It's always on the air somewhere. Everyone has seen these shows at some point in their life.

You could compare it as the adult version of The Brady Bunch, Full House, Saved by The Bell and Scooby-Doo which were in a syndication cycle for so long that different generations grew up on it and have nostalgia too. As a kid, a lot of things are watchable and you're always excited to see repetition. Something you lose as an adult when your taste develops and you become more discriminatory.

by Anonymousreply 48June 17, 2022 5:09 PM

It’s true. The outright denial of facts - proven nicely by OP - is an odd phenomenon of the internet. All of my cousins from UK and Ireland are obsessed with this show more than any other US TV. The number one tourist request when in NYC. I don’t get it - but some interesting hypotheses here. A fantasy of NYC life.

by Anonymousreply 49June 17, 2022 5:26 PM

R48 has it right on the money. It's comfortable now. Those of us old enough to remember what life was like when this was on the air can come across an episode from the late 90's and instantly remember what was going on in our own lives and think about how carefree we were before life dealt us a few more tough blows. I loved The Brady Bunch and Full House as a kid, but trying to get through them these days can be a chore depending on the episode. Too sweet and lacking any real conflict.

While the episodes do vary in quality and there are some serious stinkers, it was always held together by a great ensemble cast much like many of the best sitcoms. Even if the material wasn't funny, it was nice to see them together as a group. It was a little unrealistic, but aspirational. They always felt more like college kids killing time in between classes than people in their mid-20's or 30's. Even the way they'd pop into each other's apartments felt like something you'd do in a dorm situation. Maybe it reminds people of those great relationships they had in college.

by Anonymousreply 50June 17, 2022 6:00 PM

[quote] They always felt more like college kids killing time in between classes than people in their mid-20's or 30's. Even the way they'd pop into each other's apartments felt like something you'd do in a dorm situation. Maybe it reminds people of those great relationships they had in college.

On point there. Most adults don't have friendships like that where they are doing everything together and maintained close ties since high school or college. It's comforting because many people want friendships that last a lifetime like that. When I was a teen and college student, most of my friends were just people I lived in proximity to. Same deal with the jobs I worked. When I moved on to different stages of my life, I lost a lot of those friendships just from drifting apart and not keeping up. Friends serves as a fantasy of what people wished friendships were like but aren't.

by Anonymousreply 51June 17, 2022 6:43 PM

I liked until they started fucking each other.

They should have renamed it "More Than Friends".

by Anonymousreply 52June 17, 2022 7:39 PM

Anyone who's lived in the UK will know that an overwhelming majority have awful tastes. Click on the UK section in the Daily Fail to find out how trashy they can be. Their form of celebrity worship is decidedly different from the American type. It's not easy to explain, but you'll know when you see it.

'Friends' and 'Sex and the City' are by far the most popular shows ever in the UK because they represent what they perceive to be an attainable ideal of the American best life. Brits can be very cliquey and always about their friend group. The only thing they want more than that is to live somewhere sunny like Spain spending their days soaking up the sun. Notice all the most popular British-produced shows from "Benidorm" to "Love Island" are always shot on location abroad? Many Brits aspire to leave their cold, rainy island for exotic places.

by Anonymousreply 53June 18, 2022 5:12 AM

I never understood the Rachel/Joey thing. They seemed like a great couple, then it just went back to Ross. Total waste of time. Ross was the most annoying character, it would have been great to send him to another city, never to be seen again.

by Anonymousreply 54June 18, 2022 5:44 AM

Meowwww, R41. I'll take our nice weather over your drizzly shit little island, darling.

by Anonymousreply 55June 18, 2022 5:46 AM

It's really popular all over. I work with a woman (in Germany) who was recently excited about her new Lego Friends apartment. Gen Z gets into through memes.

People in general have bad, basic taste.

by Anonymousreply 56June 18, 2022 5:55 AM

Since OP didn't post any "proof" of their claim, I'll do it.

Here's an article from 2018 which confirms that since being available on Netlifx UK it became the most viewed show. Not sure if it still holds for 2022 but it's probably still up there either way.

It' also mentions the Friends "finale" got a record number of UK viewers back in the day when it originally aired - so the original airings were popular there as well it seems.

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by Anonymousreply 57June 18, 2022 8:25 AM

[quote]so wildly popular

God I hate that expression. I'm not sure why.

by Anonymousreply 58June 18, 2022 8:40 AM

r57 Also, the recent reunion was a bigger deal in the UK than the US. Partly why the got James Corden to host it and force a cameo from David Beckham who only matters in the UK.

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by Anonymousreply 59June 18, 2022 11:15 AM

Jennifer Aniston's transition from curvaceous to famine stricken is still mystifying.

by Anonymousreply 60June 18, 2022 12:25 PM

I can’t account for its continued popularity. To me I feel it’s very dated already and time has marched on. I don’t understand how people could binge on it. Of course it’s from the time when there were 22 episodes a season and some of those episodes were truly awful garbage. I love Paul Rudd but by the time he came on not even he could save the mess in fact I hated his episodes as well as most of the last 8 years of it.

by Anonymousreply 61June 18, 2022 12:27 PM

Friends and Seinfeld are both equally bad. How they were ever hits back in the day still puzzles me.

by Anonymousreply 62June 18, 2022 12:39 PM

Seinfeld was never a hit in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 63June 18, 2022 1:24 PM

I have a friend who can tell which season it is just by Jennifer Aniston's hairstyle or tit size.

by Anonymousreply 64June 18, 2022 1:53 PM

R57 The finale got 9.6m, which was a record for Channel 4 not a record for British TV - it would have been considered a good average figure for ITV or the BBC, which were regularly 12m+ in the same slot at the time. The rest of season 10, however, averaged 3.5m, which was a slight increase from season 9 (3.2m) and a significant increase from season 8 (2.2m).

by Anonymousreply 65June 18, 2022 2:09 PM

It went on far too fucking log, plus Ross and Chandler are both wildly unfunny and irritating. Aniston touched her hair about 15 times per episode.

by Anonymousreply 66June 18, 2022 2:12 PM

Yes, it's dated, but that seems like more of a plus than a minus. Things today are shitty. A lot about the 90s, especially Friends' rose-colored version, is a lot more appealing than the world today. Which can only help with the nostalgia factor.

by Anonymousreply 67June 18, 2022 2:21 PM

Helen Baxendale was doing both Friends and Cold Feet at the same time. Two great shows and then her career flatlined. She wasn’t able to maneuver her “British Plain Jane” looks into a bigger career like Emma Thompson did.

by Anonymousreply 68June 18, 2022 2:24 PM

DL's Boomer Eldergays hate Friends because it made them realize they were getting old back in the 90s, that there was a new generation of Xers who were now adults.

I am continually blown away by how many DLers don't realize that Ross, Monica and Rachel were Jewish (the Gellers were actually half, though Ross celebrated Hanukkah)

Rachel Green was Every Single Jewish American Princess Stereotype Every rolled into one character from the nose job to marriage to a dentist she didn't love to doting doctor daddy with deep pockets to working as a buyer at Ralph Lauren and other high end retailers

by Anonymousreply 69June 18, 2022 2:34 PM

R69, not quite. A Jewish American Princess would never have worked as a waitress. That aspect was poorly written. Possibly a sales assistant at Victoria’s Secret or maybe The Gap if she felt like slumming, but never a waitress. The waitress bit should have been assigned to Courtney Cox.

by Anonymousreply 70June 18, 2022 2:39 PM

R69 This whole thread is predicated on an eldergay not quite grasping that the 90s were over 20 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 71June 18, 2022 3:15 PM

IIIRC, R70, the joke was that she was a really bad waitress because she'd always had people doing things for her. Sort of like Private Benjamin

by Anonymousreply 72June 18, 2022 3:35 PM

Rachel was an irritating and ungrateful character. Jennifer Aniston had a lot of charisma and good comedic timing. She made that bitch likable. It's weird how they all acted so childish even as they got into their 30s and got married or had kids. The early seasons they seemed more mature actually.

by Anonymousreply 73June 18, 2022 3:42 PM

Yea she was an awful waitress but she had great hair!

by Anonymousreply 74June 18, 2022 3:46 PM

If I had friends like that just coming to my place and helping themselves to the food in my fridge without asking, I'd drop-kick the fridge door closed on their fingers!

And what's with them all letting themselves in without knocking? What if Joey was having a wank or Monica had a bad case of the farts?!

by Anonymousreply 75June 18, 2022 3:50 PM

It's a dumb sitcom trope that nobody locks their doors even if they live in NYC or Chicago. Kramer in Seinfeld, Urkel in Family Matters and Marcy and Jefferson in Married with Children all just walk in uninvited despite being annoying to the main characters.

by Anonymousreply 76June 18, 2022 3:53 PM

True r72, but a true Rachel would never even consider a job as a waitress under any circumstances. Maybe if she lived in Podunk town, but New York City had too many other interesting occupations. Trust me, there are many non-profits with Rachel collecting a paycheck for doing some bullshit job like HR Assistant. And she could have a low level, little work position at an art gallery or museum.

It never made sense that Rachel was the waitress, other than they centered the action around a coffee shop and too many main characters sitting on the sofa would have been boring.

by Anonymousreply 77June 18, 2022 3:58 PM

Friends is easily one of my favourite shows. I find is genuinely really funny & the characters are so real. I grew up watching it & I’ll happily watch it over & over again. It’s escapist TV.

by Anonymousreply 78June 18, 2022 3:59 PM

R77 in the pilot it said she had applied for loads and jobs and got nothing as she's "qualified for nothing".

by Anonymousreply 79June 18, 2022 3:59 PM

Courteney Cox was supposed to be the main character and you can tell in the early episodes. A 26-year-old NYer trying to make it ok her own as a chef. Joey was written to be the bad boy love interest with Chandler as his uptight gay best friend. Ross was her unlucky brother who was favored by their parents and infatuated with her spoiled best friend Rachel. Phoebe the outsider of the group and comic relief.

Sometime during the first season, they slowly shifted it to an ensemble cast and Jennifer Aniston got her hairstyle change and David Schwimmer's performance and physical comedy got praised. Matthew Perry's sarcasm stood out and the writers rewrote Chandler to be straight. Courteney was actually the weakest actress and Monica was too perfect seeming. Rachel was seriously flawed and it made for interesting plots because of her stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 80June 18, 2022 4:01 PM

I always liked the episode of I Love Lucy where Lucy and Ricky were fucking in the living room and Ethel just casually walks in because she’s running to the market and wants to know if Lucy needs anything. Ball was a comic genius to emphasize her grocery list items with each of her husband’s thrusts.

by Anonymousreply 81June 18, 2022 4:03 PM

The most absurd thing about Friends - and Seinfeld - was the randomly popping in and out of peoples apartments. One of the key aspects of NYC life is people dont do that.

by Anonymousreply 82June 18, 2022 4:09 PM

If Rachel were a real person she'd be good friends with Gwyneth Paltrow.

They'd hang out at each other's houses out East and have an unwritten competition to see who could eat the least

by Anonymousreply 83June 18, 2022 6:12 PM

Jennifer Aniston grew up in a nice part of Manhattan and went to LaGuardia, so she didn't have to use a lot of imagination to play Rachel. Ross is a stereotypical NYC Jew out of the Woody Allen playbook. Joey is a stereotypical blue-collar Italian. Courteney, Matthew and Lisa didn't feel convincing as New Yorkers to me. Courteney actually slips into her Southern accent at times, she doesn't pass as a Jewish girl from NYC well enough. Chandler is very Canadian through and through.

by Anonymousreply 84June 18, 2022 6:21 PM

The Gellers and Rachel were supposed to have been from Long island, Joey was from Brooklyn, while I don't think they ever specified where Chandler and Phoebe were from, though probably not NYC area-- Chandler was Ross's friend from college.

by Anonymousreply 85June 18, 2022 6:25 PM

Chandler seems either New England or Chicago definitely very WASPy. I can see Phoebe from California like San Francisco. Monica does not pass for Long Island though or the Northeast in general. Rachel, Ross and Joey all fit NYC though Rachel lacks the accent.

by Anonymousreply 86June 18, 2022 6:29 PM

Didn’t Phoebe live on the streets on the Lower East Side for awhile? Wasn’t their a storyline where she stole something that belonged to Ross before they knew each other.

by Anonymousreply 87June 18, 2022 6:34 PM

I can see Phoebe as someone who ran to NYC to try to make it and ended up homeless. That's very close to home for many wannabe Greenwich Village musicians. Realistically types like Ross, Monica and Rachel would not mix with Phoebe or Joey but it's a sitcom fantasy, so the class barrier isn't as pronounced.

by Anonymousreply 88June 18, 2022 6:36 PM

[quote] Their pop music even manages to be even worse than American pop.

Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 89June 18, 2022 6:37 PM

[quote]But I feel Seinfeld would be way more popular because it's type of humor is more similar to black comedies of loser protagonists in nihilistic situations that British love. Friends is very American in it's unrelenting optimism and color.

This is no kind of sample size, but I was friends with a young London woman in the '90s, at the time both shows were in production and were at or near peak of popularity, and she was just obsessed with Friends. She talked about it more the way people talk about soaps they're addicted to. She had a real emotional investment in who would get with whom, and she was rooting hard for Ross and Rachel (she hated her "countrywoman," Emily).

I liked Friends well enough as "comfort food" but was more of a Seinfeld fan, and I asked her if she was into that one too. She didn't get it at all. I don't think it traveled as well as Friends.

by Anonymousreply 90June 18, 2022 6:55 PM

Seinfeld was shown at 11.30pm on BBC2, it could have never built an audience.

by Anonymousreply 91June 18, 2022 6:57 PM

Friends had a soap opera style arc of "will-they-or-won't-they?" built into it. The characters on Seinfeld are not meant to be relatable or likable, they are asshole New Yorkers. I find British sitcoms like Peep Show and IT Crowd have a similar setup of unlikable and self-absorbed characters who fail at everything. So I assumed Seinfeld would have had a cult following at least but I guess I'm wrong.

by Anonymousreply 92June 18, 2022 6:59 PM

Monica is a chef R22. That’s hard work.

by Anonymousreply 93June 18, 2022 7:10 PM

That's funny, r92, because the thing I loved about Seinfeld is they never did that "will they or won't they" crap with Jerry and Elaine. If it was any other sitcom, they probably would have done it. But they sidestepped all that.

by Anonymousreply 94June 18, 2022 7:27 PM

Aniston should have been considered for the lead role in Veep.

Only she and Kudrow won Emmys for Friends. She won the lead SAG, Globe and Emmy, after she was a big star. Kudrow got a Supporting Emmy early in the run. Cocks was the only won to not even be nominated

by Anonymousreply 95June 18, 2022 7:33 PM

LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE is wildly popular in France. Who the hell can explain that?

by Anonymousreply 96June 18, 2022 7:37 PM

R96, LHOTP is sentimental and melodramatic. The French love that stuff.

by Anonymousreply 97June 18, 2022 7:43 PM

Aniston has an effortless likability and charisma that made Rachel less irritating and more lovable. Unfortunately, most of the flyover fraus who aspired to be like her don't have her charisma or likability.

by Anonymousreply 98June 18, 2022 7:56 PM

Seinfeld was too Jewish for a UK/Euorpean audience. That's why it didn't do well.

by Anonymousreply 99June 19, 2022 12:44 AM

Friends was very Jewish too in the first season and half of the characters and actors were Jewish. The writers watered down the Jewishness in later seasons.

Seinfeld's issue was not it was Jewish but it was very, very New York which is the bigger reason it didn't translate internationally. Anyone from the NYC area relates to Seinfeld regardless of religion or race. Jewish comedy is mainstream in America and has been since the advent of film and TV. I think Seinfeld just kept it very accurate to NYC with it's obnoxious and self-absorbed characters and nihilistic attitude. The characters weren't physically beautiful. Friends was more universal because it had a goodlooking cast, the humor was simple and more slapstick and the writing was conservative (didn't take too much risks).

by Anonymousreply 100June 19, 2022 1:13 AM

r100 Seinfeld was very Jewish in its humor. Americans are used to that but not international audiences

by Anonymousreply 101June 19, 2022 1:18 AM

R101 I guess that's why Mickey Mouse (WASP) is more popular than Bugs Bunny (Brooklyn Jew).

by Anonymousreply 102June 19, 2022 1:21 AM

r86/r88, I always assumed Phoebe was from New York, at least the state (or nearby area) if not the city. Phoebe ended up on the streets because her mother killed herself and her stepfather went to prison. But her biological mother lived in Montauk and her biological father lived upstate, and her grandmother, who she was living with when the series started, was a New York taxi driver. It never entirely made sense that she was homeless and living on the street when she had a grandmother living in the city, but maybe she didn't connect or find her grandmother until after that? So I guess she could have been from farther away and trying to find her grandmother is what brought her to the city. (Trying to make sense of a sitcom is probably foolish.)

by Anonymousreply 103June 19, 2022 4:53 AM

We still have some Jews in Europe. Where do you think the Jews who helped build the entertainment industry in America came from? Perhaps they should have made Seinfeld in Yiddish, though.

by Anonymousreply 104June 19, 2022 7:25 AM

[quote] The people saying it's filler have a point. In the US, Friends is always on and has been on for over 20 years in nonstop syndication. Always airing on three different cable networks at different times and still network syndication.

No it isn’t.

by Anonymousreply 105June 19, 2022 10:06 PM

Seinfeld is brilliant. There was nothing like it before in television. Only a handful of shows changed the face of television.

by Anonymousreply 106June 19, 2022 10:07 PM

Remove the laugh track and see how funny Friends is. lol

Brits have godawful taste.

by Anonymousreply 107June 19, 2022 10:09 PM

Friends ripped off Living Single.

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by Anonymousreply 108June 20, 2022 12:09 PM

White people have always stolen from black people. Friends was just another page in that chapter, whitewashed for white audiences. This Jay Z video told it best.

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by Anonymousreply 109June 20, 2022 12:25 PM

It's odd that Lisa Kudrow was the only Jewish female on Friends, yet her character was not.

by Anonymousreply 110June 20, 2022 12:38 PM

It's not just the U.K- its popularity seems ubiquitous. My guess is nostalgia and escapism. The world became noticeably shitter after the mid 2000s/ early 2010s and people's atomized, stressful lives in the digital shitland we have created have led to less real world socializing like you would see on the show. A combination of romanticizing the 90s and wanting to go back to a time pre- social media and all its concomitant ills.

by Anonymousreply 111June 20, 2022 12:38 PM

Friends ripped off Living Single? At the time it premiered, everyone was saying it was a Seinfeld ripoff with more attractive people, because it was in New York and they had trivial conversations with pop-culture references.

Look, by the '90s, there was nothing original in a sitcom about people who are friends and hang out together. There are also many sitcoms about families with children. And sitcoms set in a workplace. And romantic sitcoms with a "Will they or won't they, and when?" theme. These are basic types that come back again and again.

What separates good ones from bad ones is the talent/chemistry of the actors and the quality of the writing. I realize someone could say, "Well, the Friends actors SUCKED and the writing was TERRIBLE," but obviously, it had a long run and held a huge audience, and is still popular today. That didn't happen for, say, The Single Guy or Cursed.

by Anonymousreply 112June 20, 2022 1:25 PM

Living Single had an excellent run of five seasons. I don’t understand the bitterness. They have nothing to complain about.

Friends went on way too long. The last couple of seasons were awful.

And yes, sitcoms copy other sitcoms. The Brits came up with Coupling to be a British version of Friends.

The popularity of Absolutely Fabulous spawned at least two US attempts to copy it and Roseanne herself tried to cash in on AbFab popularity on her show. It happens.

by Anonymousreply 113June 20, 2022 1:40 PM

Friends also started the trend of “living” in coffee shops. People didn’t just go to coffee shops to have a cup of coffee, they took their laptop and spent hours there, writing their manuscript, conducting business, etc.

It’s like what Sex & the City did for brunch and Seinfeld did for the word nazi.

by Anonymousreply 114June 20, 2022 2:09 PM

r112, I'm too lazy to look up an article, but back in the 90s, reporters used to ask the heads of networks what new show debuting on another network they wish they had on theirs. In 1993, Warren Littlefield at NBC said, "Living Single." And then a year later, NBC had its own show about six friends in New York with complicated romantic relationships, most of whom lived in the same building and were in and out of each others' apartments. Take from that what you will. Friends does seem a natural extension of the brand NBC was building that started with Seinfeld (though I've also thought it felt more like one of the four-females shows like Golden Girls since, even with two guys around, it felt like the stories of the core four women with the guys as supporting characters. The fact that a lot of the promotional photos, like on the DVDs, only shows the four women, makes that seem more obvious).

by Anonymousreply 115June 20, 2022 2:26 PM

Friends didn't rip off Living Single. Living Single ripped off all the four women sitcoms that pre-dated it. Golden Girls, Facts of Life, etc. And who cares whether one sitcom rips off another? Coupling ripped off Friends, but Coupling is clearly the superior comedy. Friends ripped off elements of Seinfeld, but couldn't and wouldn't pull it off completely. Seinfeld is too offbeat to appeal to a worldwide audience like Friends.

by Anonymousreply 116June 20, 2022 2:26 PM

The later seasons they got lazy, spoilt, and the men got fat. Just phoning it in. Paul Rudd helped dilute the boredom. Their greedy little actor selves pretty much put the lid on it. By the time it was over it needed to be gone and buried. Some of the early seasons were genuinely hilarious. I think it hit its peak around the Janice years and honestly I think Chandler was the mainstay of that show along with Joey. Ross and Rachel grew tiresome, Phoebe was always the same wacky little weirdo, and Ross should have been sent to the jungles of Peru to never be seen or heard from again.

by Anonymousreply 117June 20, 2022 2:29 PM

As for Monica, I always thought she was just sort of...there.

by Anonymousreply 118June 20, 2022 2:30 PM

Wait.... is anyone here actually gay?

The whole Joey-Chandler bromance-that-skirted-the-line of a gay crush was the best part of the earlier seasons.

While I understand it likely doesn't resonate with many DLers, every gay boy who had a crush on his straight best friend can relate.

by Anonymousreply 119June 20, 2022 2:35 PM

It really wasn't that funny

by Anonymousreply 120June 20, 2022 5:26 PM

A lot of women watched to admire Rachel's tresses. She gave good hair

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