Wtf! Why can’t Kate control her little brat????

He’s 4 years old, OP

There are ways.

Goddamn, he's an awful brat.

Just look at this fucking little SPAZ.

Lol, R3; I had no idea (white) kids still did that thumb to the nose thing.

I hadn't seen anybody do it since elementary school (finished in 1976).

Kate got greedy, trying to win the Queen's approval.

She should have stopped at two.

This kid could be the death of the monarchy.

If he turns out to be a total fuckwad, the public won't stand for it.

On the HBO Max animated series THE PRINCE Louis was portrayed as a hooligan. Maybe Gary Janetti was on to something.

At least he didn't flip the bird....yet.

Wasn't Harry like this when he was a little ginger goblin? Take note, Will and Kate. Better get this boy under control.

Louie(i)...Louie(i)....Louie(i)....oh....oh....we gotta go!

Charlotte, do your duty!

[quote]I had no idea (white) kids still did that thumb to the nose thing

Suddenly this is a race thing?

[quote] Charlotte, do your duty!

I shall!

R12 Maybe Archie taught him.

I learnt it from my sister!

He is not raised by Kate, but by nannies. He doesn't respect her at all. Any good mother would have had some toys to distract him. His behavior is horrible.

Perfect argument for abortion.

George is always so well behaved.

Something about being the future monarch, that they almost seem born with responsibility.

You know Kate has to be careful...in the world public eye now. Can't give that little bugger a smack on the behind.

OMG at R16.

That's fucking horrible.

How is he allowed to do that???

He should have been dragged out of there by his mother, and taken outside for a spanking.

R14, No bitch! His daddy taught him well...it runs in the family!!

Most unseemly.

[quote]Suddenly this is a race thing?

Suddenly?

WTF does a hand gesture from a 4 year old have to do with race? Seriously, DL is filled with some of the most ignorant people I’ve ever seen. I don’t know anyone in real life like this.

[quote]Something about being the future monarch, that they almost seem born with responsibility.

No, more like the oldest kid in almost every family understands they have to be the most responsible.

Louis is a cute little boy, but he is not a well-behaved little boy. Someone has been derelict in his upbringing.

Yeah that kid is a real brat.

The other two seem lovely though. She definitely should have stopped at 2.

True R25, but George was well behaved even before his siblings came along.

He was always a sweetheart.

Good Lord. He's 4 fucking years old. I hope some of you are being facetious.

There is ALWAYS one child who is the offbeat, rebellious one. Rarely are all well behaved.

R29, My fellow kindergartners and I were better behaved at his age.

Don’t worry OP. There’s not much chance that he’ll wind up like his uncle.

He’s just turned four and is probably off his normal schedule and had a lot of sugar.

Camilla gave him an espresso when no one was looking.

Most of the antics seemed normal. When he covered Kate's mouth with his hand (twice), that was a sign of disrespect. It might already be too late to get that under control.

More bad behavior...He's pulling his cousin's hair...I'm trying to find the clip where he kicks his sister Charlotte. There's a reason you never see this kid in public too often. Now we know why...

It's a hard thing to sit though all of that pomp and circumstance, as an adult...can't imagine a small child...to be fair. Any venue is a challenge, even for a little while at that age. George and Charlotte are older and behave better. However, that needs to be nipped in the bud now.

George has benefited from having William's attention on him constantly.

One thing I've noticed from when George was very young, was that William had always taken his hand, whenever they were out in public.

Look at this photo. George is more than old enough to be walking by himself, but he still takes William's hand.

It's almost like his father is literally guiding him on how to behave. After all, he will be King one day.

I don't think that Louis has had the same attention, and it clearly shows.

This never would happen in my day, standards are slipping.

R36..the bald guy behind the girl is glad he doesn't have hair.

R38 nothing new or special about a father holding his child’s hand.

William was bratty when he was this age. I remember him acting up in public in the 80s. Ironically Harry seemed better behaved at the time.

Rofl at R36!! What a fucking brat!

I love the comment... "Straight in for the hair pull!" Bwahahaha

[quote] He’s just turned four and is probably off his normal schedule and had a lot of sugar.

More like he's off his meds.

It's not his sister's job to control his behavior, but she's putting him in his place.

Kate should have started reading The Bench to little Louis. He would have been asleep in seconds.

Would it be a "scandal" if Kate just took Louie out and away, under these circumstances, like most mothers would do?

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You know this how R16? Do tell.

A severe beating is in order!

I'm sorry, but he's either a brat or had a serious ADHD disorder. I have a niece who is exactly his age and she would never behave like that.

Now we know why they stopped at 3.

Fod god's sake he's four years old and bored out of his mind. He's probably tired and hungry and wants to run around and is sick to death of watching shit he doesn't care about for days on end. They need to nip the shushing his mother thing, but other than that what is the big deal? Do some of you not know any children? Or do you just so irrationally hate Kate you'll pick on anything?

They were probably trying to stick it out so he could join the family on the balcony later. There were quite a few kids in the royal box and they all were pretty wiggly and bored.

R46

Kate Middleton is not from a high born background, thus ways of latter are alien to her and likely seem cruel.

Royal and noble mothers would have summoned nanny or governess to take an unruly child away.

[quote] Would it be a "scandal" if Kate just took Louie out and away, under these circumstances, like most mothers would do?

I think she should have, actually. No one would have faulted her for that.

R45...Yes, since Kate keeps telling us she's an expert in early childhood education.

Hmm...wasn't Diana a kindergarten teacher?

It seemed like Charlotte was trying to ignore Louis except for grabbing him that one time.

I’m sorry but the image of him pulling his cousins hair makes me laugh hard. Not just because of her face as he does it, but his face. He was feeling some kind of way and MEANT to hurt her with that hair pull lmao

Actually R44, it was George who tried to bring Louis under control.

Notice how George leans over to Charlotte and says something to her about Louis, then Charlotte takes care of business.

It's an interesting dynamic.

George is the boss and Charlotte is the enforcer.

R57 seemed like all of them were trying to ignore him minus Kate who had no choice because he was next to her

Lol...Charlotte is priming for the big sister roll. Even she tried to quiet Louie.

R59 not necessarily. He told Charlotte because she’s right next to Louis. George isn’t. If he was he would have done it himself.

" No one would have faulted her for that." In a private event no, no one certainly would, at least those from upper classes who still subscribe to old ways of children being seen and not heard.

OTOH at a public event recorded by media sight of a uniformed nanny, nursemaid or other servant arriving, bowing a curtesy (if HM was in room), and taking Prince Louis away would be flashed worldwide. Instantly there would be howls from middle and lower class fraus world over (and likely their more enlightened upper class sisters), over Kate Middleton's parenting.

He's a total bratty kid - which is FINE - he will probably grow out of it and he might even just be going through a bad stage at the moment, but god, I would hate to deal with him. Kids are exhausting. George and Charlotte behave like little adults, which is why they are so appealing. This little guy acts like a typical hyperactive 4 year old boy - requires so much patience and redirection.

R51 - yes - we do know kids, which is why it is easy to spot a bratty one. There is nothing WRONG with it - kids are kids - but not every bored 4 year old puts his hand over his mother's mouth or does that gesture with his nose or pulls his cousin's hair or is all over the place like that.

Not the end of the world, but also fine to call it what it is.

That's what I was thinking. This situation is unique and would have been on social media and the DM for days, if she took him out. A no win situation.

[quote]Or do you just so irrationally hate Kate you'll pick on anything?

Are you kidding? 🤣🙄

Have you read the Megaloons comments?

To add to R66, those old cunts pick on MM for breathing.

R56

Lady Diana Spencer worked briefly as nanny to an American family, then nursery teacher's assistant at Young England Kindergarten. She was never a certified teacher of any sort.

However her obvious love of babies and small children was a feather in her cap far as potential bride for Prince of Wales. That sort of broody behaviour was just what HM and others wanted as coupled with Lady Diana's youth would seemingly make the breeding and raising of heirs a snap.

Kate acts like she’s never seen him before. That is not normal behavior for a four year old. He must be terribly spoiled or on the spectrum.

Is the child "special"?

When I watch ducklings swim around with their mother, I notice that there's always one who takes off in a different direction from the rest of the crowd and gets lost or gets in trouble, so the mom has to go find him and urge him back into the group. Once, the odd man out was distracted by a turtle who was just quietly lying on a rock in the sun minding its own business, but the wayward duckling had to splash over and poke at the poor thing until mom arrived to nudge her stray charge away from the edge of the pond -- I wished the poor turtle had nipped the little blighter's tailfeathers to teach it a lesson.

With humans, birth order seems to matter. The oldest may feel superior to the younger kids, bigger and smarter and advanced, just more grown up and therefore "special", more inclined to show off its command of good manners than to act childishly. Whereas the parents may tend to either spoil or ignore the younger ones, who react by behaving badly because they can get away with it, or to gain attention.

It's time for Kate to cut her hair. At least shoulder length.

He’s an ill tempered brat, much like his father.

Hopefully, they will both grow out of it.

R71 ummm sometimes the oldest is the worst one. William acted more like Louis than Harry.

Kind of agreed R72. She’s gone a bit shorter in the past, and it looked fine. Hopefully, a shorter do is in queue.

R72, do you think her bratty younger son would respect her more if she had a nice neat bob?

Oh, FFS, people.

R5 here, who never, EVER saw a non-white person to the thumb to nose raspberry thing. Just like I never saw a black kid flip their eyelids inside out. The black kids I went to elem-school with had other ways to show their disgust/annoyance/brattiness.

Had no idea my own real life *literal* observation would be controversial.

But whatever.

The black and white kids I went to elementary school with all did things. None of it was racial. Kids are kids. R77 You aren’t the young person you want people to think. Grow up.

Why would you even bring it up, r77? What possible reason would you have to tell us that you, personally, have only seen white kids make one type of face, and only black kids do another type of face? It's irrelevant.

After his performance this weekend, I'll doubt we'll see Louis for the rest of the summer...

Back to the dungeon for Louie..

Frau thread.

Anyone who has had children or watched them at a family event such as wedding or funeral knows the drill It is often impossible to get them to sit still through even say a long church service.

Since can remember at our church parents of infants or young children sat at end of pew nearest aisle, better to make a quick getaway when or if a child/infant just couldn't get it together.

Every family of young children usually has a debate about whether an event will be too long and taxing for them to keep still. Thus might it not be better to leave them home with a sitter or something rather than tempt fate.

For the Cambridge brood to sit out much of HM's Jubilee celebrations would have made them conspicuous by their absence. Victorians or Edwardians likely would have understood, but not today's cult of children being included in everything.

Thus the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge had few good options no matter which why they turned.

Leaving their children largely out of events would have caused comment.

Having them there, but with servants visibly standing by just in case, also would have raised certain eyebrows.

He’s probably had several days in a row where his schedule is off and he’s been expected to perform. So this could be an anomaly. But the physical stuff with Kate is pretty bratty. Sticking his hands in her face, that’s a no-go.

If it happens AGAIN, yeah, he’s a spoiled brat (or there is a problem). But I suspect it will be addressed and resolved going forward. One way or another.

My gut is that they just asked him to do too much and his parents are probably overtired and stressed out as well.

Excuses, excuses at R83.

You sound like my frau sister defending her kids' bratty behavior.

In the good old days before everyone had a damn camera on their phone,a nice dragging him off by the arm and swatting that ass would have put an end to his antics. I get his behavior being a tired 4 year old,but pulling hair and covering his mothers mouse deserves an ass whooping if ever he needed one.

As the Daily Mails resident body language expert I would like to point out this is Meghans fault. Meghan who is currently residing in Woke lefty Montecito in her 40 million dollar mansion obviously lacks parental skills.

Prince Louis largely was left at home with the nanny. First sensible thing I've heard about this whole mess today.

Little bastard, somebody should beat some manners into him.

He just doesn't care. (he's half royal anyway) He's the one who will detroy British monarchy and make Great Britain a republic.

He's a cute looking kid, though. All of them are..

Who is this lady sitting next to me and trying to stop me from partying? Mind your business lady!

R16 Wow, he is a brat! And they don’t seem to discipline him.

Both Harry and William were brats too. He'll grow out (or into) it. Though it's the quiet ones you need to keep an eye out for. As in Charlotte.

Half-common parvenu of a dubious paternal line.

Some of us are patiently, discreetly, primly waiting for Viscount Severn to achieve his majority age.

Rofl R92!!

Time for some pineapple and a garote.

In all seriousness, Kate should've given the kid a little spoonful of Benadryl; not enough to put him to sleep, but just make drowsy. My relatives used to do that all the time to the point it was a family joke "do you hear coughing?"

He wasn't that bad, though I think he desperately wanted to make faces at Boris but Kate wouldn't let him. That poor Tindall girl is going to look just like her dad.

This wild boy will bring much shame to the BRF.

"Unearthed Secret Government Documents Reveal Late Prince Louis Suspected As '21st Century Whitechapel Serial Slayer.'"

I have to admit, though the behavior is bratty, but at that age...it did make me laugh a little. I know...never do that, at least in front of brats. It only emboldens them.

Meghan is an opportunistic cunt.

Now that I got that out of the way, it’s fucking ridiculous how some of you nutters refuse to portray the Cambridges as anything but saintly…all because you hate Meghan.

Fact: Louis is autistic. His behavior on the balcony and this latest clip has him displaying classic autistic traits.

It ultimately doesn’t matter since he’ll never be king, but maybe Kate can speak out on the challenges of raising a special needs child.

Mark Hamill has joined the conversation...

Thank god celebrities are speaking out about this.

Louis is my favourite. My 4 year old would act like this too when asked to sit still for hours & hours watching a god awful parade. I can’t believe someone is suggesting they drug him to make him behave. Fuck off.

Why is William so petulant? Stomping his feet and hitting Diana...

I am a little older than Louis, and I would have started to cut up even sooner than he did.

He gets it from his mommy, this is probably how she acts behind closed doors.

He's four. Charlotte can only do so much. The girl wanted to have a bit of a good time at some point and thought her mother would be up to the job for once.

I prefer a four year old just naturally acting their age as opposed to being so overly disciplined that they come across as robotic. I'm serious. He was probably tired and he was undoubtedly out of his element since that whole event would be sensory overload for most wee children. And, like how I said- Charlotte did need to have a bit of fun. Charlotte might look like The Queen of England but she has a bit of Princess Margaret in her a bit if you were to ask me.

No, William is the angry one...the media won't discuss his well-known tantrums.

So why isn’t she using her Data Driven Early Childhood expertise to calm the little rapscallion?

This doesn’t look like a little kid acting up and everyone find it relatable. It looks like he’s too tired and wired (ie too little) to be at the event and his parents dragged him in for the photo op.

Catherine looked absolutely beautiful in every pic over the last four days. Loved her smiling with the Queen on the balcony.

[quote]I can’t believe someone is suggesting they drug him to make him behave. Fuck off.

I didn't say give the kid a valium! What, don't parents give their kids meds to make them sleepy anymore? I'll bet Patsy Ramsey has some thoughts on keeping your kids calm

At least Louis is cute and amusing to watch.

Those scary looking Children of the Corn twins Prince Albert and Charlene keeping trotting for every single engagement in Monaco are scary looking with their perpetual frowns. Those two may pull a Menendez Brothers type execution of their parents in the future.

r114...lol!

R64 Charlotte has had loads of meltdowns. The only one that’s always been half decent is the oldest child. But Charlotte either has a stank face or a meltdown. Her brother took all the air of the room and she’s grown up a bit but she’s also growing into quite the spoiled child as well given her mannerism.

I noticed that Louis mysteriously vanished from a venue or two from one moment to the next, clearly whisked away by handlers. He wasn't even trotted out for several. At least he's a normal kid and will probably turn out okay.

[quote] In all seriousness, Kate should've given the kid a little spoonful of Benadryl; not enough to put him to sleep, but just make drowsy. My relatives used to do that all the time to the point it was a family joke "do you hear coughing?"

I was thinking the same thing! A little sedation has never hurt any kid.

Louis did a good job on the Balcony. Now he can go do kid things all summer.

It seems that Wills and Kate are right on track making the Queen's record with children. Queen: Boy, girl, boy, boy. Kate: Boy, girl, boy.... well, give it a few more years. She is still young.

[quote] Fact: Louis is autistic. His behavior on the balcony and this latest clip has him displaying classic autistic traits.

There was nothing about his behavior that was in the slightest "autistic."

Louis probably takes after Uncle Gary Goldsmith. I won’t do the kid the disservice of comparing him to Uncle Andrew York.

Actually, that much maligned documentary that the Royals made of the their family life that was covered in The Crown was very telling. Andrew was a little shit and you could tell that Anne and Charles loathed him even then.

I’ve been laughing for 2 minutes straight from r76’s post. Simple but effective response.

I'd forgotten William was such a holy terror as a child.

Cheeky bastards!

Is Harry licking the window?

R83 no one would have questioned why a 4 year old was at a boring (to a child) concert that was 3-4 hours long.

Especially after his performance at the Trooping of the Guard.

I think all the royal kids should be left out of public events till they are 13 and older.

Only as a child r125? He’s know by even palace staff to be one moody bitch that will easily get loud at staff or Kate when arguing. She’s no wilted rise, she holds him to account and also knows how to calm that little man child.

At least Charlotte grew out of her bad behavior, unlike her 40 year old nazi uncle.

[quote]Those scary looking Children of the Corn twins Prince Albert and Charlene keeping trotting for every single engagement in Monaco are scary looking with their perpetual frowns.

Now *those* kids are raised by nannies! All of these people don't have a help - probably a lot of help - but I think at least part of the reason those kids seem so weird (aside from the Children of the Damned looks) is the kids seem to have no rapport with their parents. Charlene at least hugs them, but they're standing aloof, like "get this bitch!"

How long before Louis is punching Kate in the face?

*do* have help, that is..

R132 Or vice versa?

Harry and Williams were really cute kids. Anorexic Kate made some ugly children.

Impeach!

Could he be troubled, like intellectually impaired or autistic? If not, he's a spoiled brat. I didn't act like that at 4yo. At least, not in public. If we were in public or at someone's house, I was expected to behave.

Wait, r96? The Crown and the family taught us that a little thing like age shouldn’t get in the way of “fun times”. Though you might have to pretend you’ve caught COVID afterwards to save face.

R130 Nazi’s don’t marry biracial women and Pooh Pooh relatives for racist comments. Stop trying to make a stupid costume into some statement on Harry’s views.

4 is not 2 he should behave in public. 4 is preschool age

Oh well.

Rolling my eyes at all the perfectly behaved 4 year olds here.

Louie exibiting bratty trumpian tendencies?... look out.

[quote]Stop trying to make a stupid costume into some statement on Harry’s views.

It wasn't even a costume, it was an armband like the punks used to wear.

R131 she did spend MONTHS away from them due to some mysterious illness. They wanted us to believe that South Africa could offer better medical care than Monaco or France. Then it was she couldn’t fly. Well, how lucky she’s the princess of a nation with more mega Yachts than buses. Surly her billionaire husband could charter a yacht for her to be home with him and their kids. Nope, no dice.

Yeah, those poor kids have it rough as far as the EuropeN royals families go.

*exhibiting...

Some kids aren't cute. Louis is one of that kind of kid. The other two kids are cute, esp. George.

He should have been kept out of the public eye if they thought he might act up. Some kids cannot be "normal" or composed. Everyone is SO anti-ritalin, but some children thrive while treated with that medicine.

Whatever happened to Barron Trump? That kid still growing or has he reacts full mast?

Hilarious that most of the people commenting here on childcare and child development are themselves childless gays who haven't mentally developed beyond whatever age they first encountered the Golden Girls. Leave the child behaviour analysis to the breeders, you guys have no dog in this fight.

Baron is the only decent trump as of now. He’s innocent

R147 George isn’t cute and neither is the girl. They are ugly kids. Diana almost saved this family’s genes, Kate fucked that up.

He probably towers over his tall parents now..^^

He bullied classmates in his DMV school. Decent today but look at his parents. He’ll be just like the rest of them.

Everybody on Twitter saying it’s cute are idiots. It’s not cute at all. I get he’s a kid and most likely has ADHD, but it was not a good look for Kate. She seemed helpless several times and ignored her, yet he listened to his sister when she reprimanded him. Putting his hands in his mother and thumping at her head is not normal 4 yr old behavior.

R154 is a parent? Or more likely a guncle who watched the kids for a half hour one Saturday

R151 this sounds correct as fuck but all three are cute kids. George looked funny but is growing into his looks a bit more. I can tell all three will have a moment to shine before it comes crashing down. Charlotte will have it best because the biggest issue with Windsors is hair loss. She can always get tracks or a wig if needed (doubt she’ll need it).

The boys will be treated like the most attractive men to grace the British isles before their looks fade like Williams, Harry’s, Andrew’s, and Edward’s. Charles and Anne always looked too much like their mother to be considered good looking.

^^^^I meant creepy*. Not correct.

R149, you do realize that half of DL are women right? I would imagine on Royal threads it’s like 80%.

R158 That is why BRF threads are hated.

[quote] Hilarious that most of the people commenting here on childcare and child development are themselves childless gays

I was thinking the same thing. Unless everyone in this thread is a “Kate is the font of all evil” frau.

R158 fraus are suckers for kids. The responses here are from shrill gays who can't tolerate seeing/hearing kids. No doubt it stems from some trauma where the neighbourhood kids played outside on some warm summer day while shrill gay had to keep the windows closed to drown out the sound of laughter and play as it was disturbing their umpteenth viewing of The Golden Girls/Days of Our Lives/I Love Lucy/Joan Crawford marathon or some other eldergay institution.

This has actually been a non frau sounding thread, R159. Usually everything Kate and William do are fawned over. It’s kind of nice to see varying opinions.

R161 You are a tedious whale.

Some of the twitter commenters are calling him feral .. lol

Oh they always say that .. lol

He was clearly overwhelmed by the noise and activity. Why didn’t she take him onto her lap so her could settle down and be soothed by her touch?

[quote]Some of the twitter commenters are calling him feral .

If only....now what would've been entertaining is if he'd lunged at Boris, biting his neck & pulling his raggedy hair, while Boris screamed, Mrs. Boris just ignored the whole thing and Mike Tindall had to (eventually, and without much enthusiasm) had to pull him off.

In fairness to Kate, she had to corral the little monkey the entire time - she should've made him switch seats with George & let Wills deal with him.

R163, caftan beginning to snag around your ass crack?

Will had him for awhile, and so did Grandpa. It was a long pageant. They did remove him, to refresh for the balcony. All's well that ends well

R149 is the type of comment on every thread about kids - trying to scold the pathetic old childless old gays of DL. How DARE they comment about children.

Listen MARY... plenty of fraus are on DL. There are actually quite a few child development experts and teachers on DL. This is a gay forum and the childless gays can comment about this cute brat if we want to.

And btw - if you think for one second that the facebook brigade of mommies aren't debating amongst themselves whether or not this kid is a brat - you are kidding yourself. The only group more bitchy and judgmental than gay men are the mothers of young children.

Can’t she and Wil beat him?

R170- "there are quite a few child development experts on DL......" PMSL, if any of them are commenting in this thread then God help us all. Furthermore, a teacher is the last person to give a character reference for a lively child- speaking from experience here.

I'm off to read the latest Teacher Molests Student thread now .. bye

Well there's plenty of those threads on here R173

Most of it was a normal tantrum except for putting his hand over her mouth. That is telling about her parenting skills and his lack of respect. Children know perfectly well who to mess with and what the limits are.

Also he probably understood fully well that being in public gave him powers to act like that without immediate consequences. But even in such case he wouldn’t do the mouth thing if she was an actual authority figure.

He's clearly a brat and poorly behaved in this context. Anyone can see that. What's over the top are the diagnoses of autism and ADHD.

I don't think she could have taken him into her lap. That would have escalated things.

Someone above posted a GIF of William being a brat to Diana. She just ignored him and went to grab Harry, instead.

William helped her out and sent him over to Charles, where he did seem to settle down and behave. Agree with you R175, he knows who he can mess with and who he can’t.

Once he get hooked on the Windsor cure - cocktails and cigarettes - he’ll calm down.

r167. lol

He'll be shooting up a school in a few years.

She looks like a witch.

Yup it’s time for Kate to chop off at least 5” of hair - looking long & listless.

r175, completely agree...

^ It'll be sooner than that, Harry is PISSED. Couldn't agree more, witch vis a vis Mme Markle

r6

Oh no, he's already trying to smother her with a pillow.

Why can’t Harry control his?

I didn’t think he was very well-behaved at all, either. He shouldn’t have been in either situation if he couldn’t be controlled. I am generally supportive of the Cambridges, but he should have been taken inside by a nanny.

Everyone is saying "but he’s 4”. The kid covered her mouth… That’s a sign he has no discipline or structure. 3rd times a charm.

Obviously he cannot be controlled in this environment!

And thirty minutes later, Prince Louis was on the palace balcony with his immediate family, singing all the words to God Save The Queen, while a billion people watched. Well done Lou.

Anytime anyone has trouble with a 4 year-old being a bit rambunctious, just remember what we witnessed the last four years with Lurch Trump and hold your tongue.

It was definitely poor behavior. He put his hands on his mom’s mouth to shut her up. That’s bad. Bad. That said, every kid has bad moments and it is extremely plausible that Louis has had a rough several days.

If it repeats, then a lot more criticism is warranted. Either because he isn’t being parented properly or because his parents should have a better idea of his limitations.

What I’m trying to say is that “typical four year-old” and “unacceptable behavior” are not mutually exclusive. Mistakes happen. Now they have to learn from it.

I don’t think Benedryl would always be a good tactic in this situation. First off, it’s effects are not entirely predictable, even if you do a trial run. Second, it wouldn’t look good if he actually fell asleep. Benedryl is ideal for plane rides when you have also carefully timed the child’s sleep so that a nap would be a realistic expectation even without the Benedryl. I’m sure it works great for some people in situations. Like this, I’m just saying it’s not a panacea.

-R10

R188, the defenders of this behavior are the same ones who slag Harry now, but used to love him. If I recall correctly, he wasn’t that well behaved as a kid, and now they tell us all the stories about how horrible he was as a teen and beyond. At the time, not a bad word about him, it was just juvenile antics. I’m no fan of Meghan, but if this was her kid, they’d be having a field day.

One of the things I love about gay men is that most of us are such control freaks deep down. That's why "Mommie Dearest" is such a resonant text for us: you cannot entirely control a child, no matter how determined and uptight you are, without becoming a monster yourself.

Louis is not likely autistic, nor is he necessarily a terrible brat. He is a typical 4 year-old acting up at an occasion which for him is long and boring and pointless.

He really does need to have the shit smacked out of him a few times.

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Diana swatted William's behind when he acted up. There are pix, not of the actual swat, but you can see her open hand is in spank mode and her face and body language say angry.

As with this thread, it caused lots of discussion and that was pre-internet days.

Don't worry about me elder gays, I'm doing just fine. BTW, baked some cookies this morning. But you've been smelling those all your lives!

I accidentally signed the post at R194 as R10. I’m not R10. I posted previously somewhere. Sorry, R10.

Kids need and thrive on routine. It makes their days predictable and they know what to expect each day, especially in the evening. For example: Dinner is 5pm, bath at 6pm, stories at 6:45pm, lights out at 7pm. Or whatever (this is only an example). The point isn't what time of day, but the predictable sequence of events.

When a kid is taken out of that for multiple days in a row, in highly sensory overloaded environments, with the normally attentive parents fully otherwise engaged, it's a lot. ANY kid would misbehave, The hands over the mouth thing was not good, but other than that I can completely understand his misbehavior given the disruption in his probably otherwise predictable routine.

I think the adult Windsors make a mockery of everything and anything simply by inhaling and exhaling air.

They don't need any damn kids to show them the way.

George is boring af. Which is fine – it’s sort of his role, given his probable future, even though they could at least encourage him to smile a bit more.

But thank god Louis was there to be a little bit entertaining in the way 4 years olds normally are – it was a total delight to see the public sharing amusing Louis memes rather than bothering with the Sussex shitshow.

Just to clarify (for the people claiming this is normal 4-year-old behavior); The person Louis is forcefully trying to quiet…the one he repeatedly mocks with a known sign of contempt…that’s his mother.

Not his sister.

Not his cousin.

Not a friend from nursery school.

Those of us raised in a proper manner would’ve never gotten away with similar behavior, even if it had happened in private. I don’t think Kate is a bad mother and her son hates her, but I now feel confident he’s autistic.

He knows he can’t be controlled in that environment. He’s smart he knows. He knows better. But I don’t have any kids thankfully

Where did he learn such gestures? Does he see that kind of behavior at home?

I don’t think so, R203. Many kids with autism can’t tolerate loud sounds. I doubt they would’ve taken him to a concert or on the balcony if that was the case. The entire family seems to be aware of his behavior, like his siblings, the cousins etc.. and try to placate him, so it doesn’t seem like isolated. I think he’s hyperactive or just a brat. It was cute until I saw his behavior with his mother. I work with kids and that was not typical behavior towards a parent.

He’s four and likely overstimulated by all of the pageantry. How many of you have raised boys? It is typical under the circumstances.

R206 How long have you worked with children and in what capacity?

I assume all 3 kids are raised by nannies - whoever is taking care of Louis is not doing a good job. Unless he has issues we don’t know about.

The nanny who raised Charlotte deserves a generous bonus. She’s consistently angelic.

[quote]Many kids with autism can’t tolerate loud sounds.

You clearly missed how he went crazy during the jet fly-by a few days ago.

R208, I’ve been a pediatric occupational therapist for the past 8 years. I’ve worked with children who behaved like this who were on the spectrum, but again, I don’t think the parents would bring him to these events if that’s the case. Can’t know for sure unless I evaluated him.

I clean the cages of autistic children and I have done so for ten years. I can assure you that the way he carries himself is indicative of the caged lifestyle of a mongoloid. If you look closely, you will see a leash attached to a chain around his waist. That's how we manage with autists when they go cage-free.

My Ma and my Nonna would have come after me with a wooden spoon if I had ever dared to thumb my nose at either of them at any age.

Gross. I would never.

Wills can't be angry; Louis got it honestly.

They are royal but still human. Imagine that.

That being said, people are entitled to their opinions. What is disgusting is the psycho squad bots going overboard on an innocent child in hopes of distracting from the sussex failures.

Maybe she should have sat Louis on her lap, or William on his. Easier to control the child's movements then.

My mother would have pinched a chunk out of his leg and hissed "Wait til I tell your father" and all bad behavior would have ceased immediately. You did NOT want mom telling dad.

R205 Yep, he learned from William, perpetually “incandescent with rage”.

It's pretty obvious he learned to the hand gesture from his older siblings, just because they were angelic there doesn't mean they don't behave badly in private.

My 4 year old niece mimicks everything her 7 year old brother does.

KKKaren at R216: Can you point on the doll where the Sussexes touched you?

Holy shit…there are plenty of threads where you can (and likely do) talk about how horrible they are.

This thread is about Louis Cambridge behaving like an asshole. His aunt and uncle have nothing to do with it.

Long and or big hair makes a better anchor for tiaras, not that Kate Middleton wears them that often. But she will as Pss of Wales and certainly queen.

A bob or too short hair wouldn't suit Duchess of Cambridge, at least not now anyway.

Kate Middleton's problem nearly from day one has been lack of a thoroughly experienced lady's maid, and or ladies-in-waiting in general.

It took Diana a while to sort herself out looks wise, but she she finally did results were smashing. KM often looks like some housewife and mother you'd see at Tesco's pushing a trolley. HRH is getting better wardrobe wise, especially at events. But hair and make-up could use bit more work.

Hi LSA harpys!

R218

Mama didn't other with pinching nor even hissing such words. She just gave "the look", which was message sent and received.

If any sorting out of her children was required, the woman did not need assistance in that area. Soon as we got home, and mother changed out of the gear into a comfortable frock or housedress, out came the strap, wooden spoon, or whatever else she could lay hands upon. Several minutes later problem was solved....

Sucked to be you, then.

Nope, call me a kiss ass, but soon learned to read "the look" and stay out of harm's way.

R221 That Megham obsessed troll @ r216 is a stupid fat cunt that has thousands of posts on this site and they are all about Megham..

Methinks William and Kate are trying very much to be and show they are modern parents. Coming from two such vastly different backgrounds means a meeting of minds on how to raise their children must have occurred.

Prince William and Prince Harry in turn were brought up differently than their father, uncles and aunt.

William and Kat have a nanny (real one, Norland graduate), but so do others in their set. However unlike Princess Margaret neither Will nor Kate were jetting off on holiday leaving their few months old child in care of servants.

In preparation for a much smaller and slimed down BRF that Prince Charles is planning, and Prince William seems to agree with, the Cambridge lot seem to be growing up more as upper middle class than royals.

The behavior for the most part was that of a tired and bored 4 year old who had his normal routine disrupted.

The troubling part to me is the hands on mom’s face and mouth that is absolutely not typical kid behavior it’s indicative of a lack of parental boundaries, kids will try it with siblings or peers but not mom or dad. I would hate to see how he behaves with the nanny’s and help.

I don't know guys, I just see a typical hyperactive four year old. Not all four year olds are the same. Some are well-behaved in public and others throw a tantrum. Louis is obviously a handful but it's nice to see a kid in that family - especially in the direct line - behave like a real kid. Sometimes I see Charlotte and particularly George in public and find it a little sad how they conduct themselves like little grown ups because of the position and institution they were born into (it's also weird to see them dressed like children from the 1950s). I think Louis is fine. He reminds me of his distant cousin Princess Leonor of Sweden. Leonor was also a handful at that age, a super energetic and hyperactive four year old. Here she is rolling around on the floor at her little sister's christening four years ago. I think we even had a thread about it:

I thought Kate did a marvelous job. Dealing with three kids under 8 for over four hours in public eye sitting in a chair is horrible. She was marvelous and never smacked the child once, that we could see.

I'm sure she gave him a very stern talking to later on

R195 If they weren’t in public Kate would have been the one slapped.

Control a child that's acting like a child? Who the heck are you the parent police living in the last century? To the pos calling a child a spaz, pls go jump off a cliff you fucker.

Katorexia probably can’t wait to send this brat to boarding school.

R211 Thirty years here. Social worker. Psychiatric residential treatment center for seriously emotionally disturbed children. Acute care psychiatric inpatient unit for children/adolescents. Developmentally disabled children/adults. My particular interest is/was children with autism and children with developmental disabilities and emotional disturbance.

Louis traveled to Wales and back. He rode in a carriage in front of the public. He’s attended numerous Jubilee events. Light show, music, performers, drummers, parades and I’m sure I’ve missed some. He recently turned four. I’d expect overstimulation and behaviors amid these circumstances.

Pediatric OT’s are in high demand. I really wish we had more of you. The need is great. What I would have given to have had your consults …

[quote] Katorexia probably can’t wait to send this brat to boarding school.

Talking about boarding school. George is eight. What age do they get shuffled off full-time these days?

Louis is the future alcoholic/drug addict in the family. In 13 years time he'll be vomiting in Leicester Square Saturday nights with his chav pals.

He's the hetero brother.

[quote]He is not raised by Kate, but by nannies. He doesn't respect her at all. Any good mother would have had some toys to distract him. His behavior is horrible.

I would love to know more about your credentials and experience, young gay man.

Louis behaved the way all the royals wanted to at the end of a long day/weekend.

Kate needs to Fixded this problem child.

At least he didn’t yank her hair. I guess kudos to him for showing restraint?

When all is said and done, at end of day d and dss of Cambridge went home, gave children to nanny and had themselves a gin and tonic.

Next major royal event likely will be HM's funeral. For that it might be forgiven if the Cambridge children are largely left at home.

Maybe if William spent more time at home disciplining Louis, and less time banging Rose Hanbury, their little brat might be better behaved!

I like that he’s bratty. 😆

The real boss.

He’s a fag. They’re histrionic.

Louis is cute, but he's a little punk. Sorry, but thumbing one's nose at one's mother in public is someone who hasn't been disciplined and thinks he can do what he pleases. He needs a good smack on the arse and be sent to his room when he gets home.

Abortion is the answer and also Kate is so dry.

Louis is going to be a future Andrew. Like his pervert uncle, he was born to older parents whose responsibilities ballooned by the time he was born. By the time he’s at an age to do some serious damage, his father will be first in line to the throne and his mother will be Princess of Wales…assuming they aren’t king and queen by the time he’s a teenager.

R36, William is literally ignoring what Louie Is doing and simply continues to chat with Charlotte. Lol

R67...MM...Marilyn Monroe? She died in 1962. Not breathing...

R246...She sure is. She's going to be a bossy one...

For the Royals sake. I hope this young man finds a friend who owns an island. Then he can committ future sexual assaults in private.

Coping With Sensory Issues In some cases, children "act out" because of unrecognized sensory issues such as sensory processing disorder, that may be unrecognized. For example, many children with autism (and quite a few without a specific diagnosis) may have sensory challenges that make ordinary sights and sounds physically painful.4

Imagine spending the day coping with constant discomfort in the form of blinking lights, squeaking chairs, and uncomfortable clothes. In such a situation, almost anyone would find it hard to stay calm. Talk to your child's doctor if you suspect your child has sensory issues.

-verywellfamily.com

My mother said she knew my brother would be a handful from an early age. She diplomatically said nothing about my Mary-ness.

“He needs a good whippin’ with a car aerial!”

Watching the video again, I kind of think William engaged in a game of Telephone…the original and ending messages being: Knock it off you fucking brat! He whispers to George, who gets Charlotte’s attention, who tries to help her mom reign in the little terror.

The satisfaction and rewards of raising children.

Why are the lower classes so proud of beating their children when their own children turn into the dregs of society? Absentee fathers, drug-addled, stratospheric incarceration levels, low diploma rates, etc... Do you all not see the correlation?

They're cute kids. Even the little hell raiser...

The balcony faces were cute and funny, but Louis physically putting his hand over Kate's mouth not once but twice, then repeatedly doing that Little Rascals thumb to nose gesture makes it crystal clear he doesn't see her as any sort of authority figure.

Makes you wonder who, if anyone, is actually disciplining him. Kids do need to be corrected in their behavior while growing up. You can't just let them spring up like weeds; they need guidance and boundaries or they grow up to be egotistical monsters.

Kate is not old in the elderly sense, but she is 40. Every parent I know who’s in their late 30’s or early 40’s is overly permissive because they get tired more easily. George and Charlotte benefitted from the fact their parents were young when they were born, and because Kate had difficult pregnancies she was given time to ease into motherhood. Also, they came pre-Meghan, and a lot of William and Kate’s royal responsibilities were shared with William.

Louis came at a bad time. Between COVID, Megxit, and Season 4 of The Crown reviving hatred of Charles, William and Kate (easily the most popular royals after Her Majesty) were heavily leaned upon as part of “The Firm’s” PR strategy. They didn’t have time to give Louis attention and discipline like they did George and Charlotte.

*shared with Harry

I got a sneaky hunch a week with Carole Middleton would show Louis that he isn't his parent's peer.

Why in the hell didn't William step in and have a word with the kid? Kate clearly can't get him under control.

At least Louis isn’t a petulant twit like his uncle.

Meghan and Harry got their asses publicly handed to them this weekend so their deluded stans are trying to change the narrative. They tried to use their kid for PR and no one paid attention. Now Louis is a meme and they're furious.

[quote] They didn’t have time to give Louis attention and discipline like they did George and Charlotte.

I seriously doubt they raised the kids. Will seems very hands off and Kate hasn’t the stamina for 3 - eating disorder is exhausting.

You mean, Kate is built like a linebacker like Meghan?

R268, By whom? British press who hates on them 24/7? They went to the service, saw the grandma, no photos with Bill and Kate and went home.

I thought we diagnosed him as being autistic?

In another few years, George will be shipped off to boarding school. Then Charlotte. Then Louis, especially as his parents will be far more caught up in the business of the Firm. In a few short years, how Louis behaves in public will no longer matter because he won't be seen. He'll be at (boarding) school.

R238 Agree, he will be the trouble maker, alcholic and drug addict, the press will love his scandals, he'll have a bunch of illegitimate children, he'll divorce several time .

The biggest issue is the hand over the mouth and the hitting his mother. Your child should know at this stage of development that behavior is unacceptable. The 1st time it happens you shut it down immediately. He looks very comfortable putting his hands on his mother. He may think it's playful, but it's not! It's just bad behavior that needs to be corrected.

R 275 That's true, the way he kept beating his mother is concerning ( 100% sure he will become a wife beater)

My mom could have taught anatomy at Johns Hopkins. She knew the exact spot on your inner arm to give just the elegantly subtle unnoticed slightest twist pinch. It rendered you paralyzed pulverized & like the Vulcan Nerve pinch. It also rendered you well behaved. None of us kids were Invulnerable. This was her church technique. And I'm talking 2-4hour sittings Ukrainian Orthodox church!

Y'all remind me of my Maiden Aunt Lucy who used to dispense child-rearing advice at the grocery store, a subject she knew jack shit about.

That is not typical 4 year old behavior, that’s more 2 year old behavior. A 4 four year old is attending a proper prekindergarten program that runs the length of the school day. They are following directions from a teacher, they’ve been taught quiet time and indoor voices and can apply them to situations, with promoting and reminders. This kid seems like he’s never been exposed to these concepts. A teacher or parent should be able to say, quiet fingers up, quiet feet and hands and have the kids respond. Sure there are times when kids become overwhelmed, but a teacher or parent knows to look for the signs that it’s coming and redirect, if possible or move the child to a place where he or she can gather composure. Bottom line, the mother or father should have stepped out with the kid; either take him somewhere else to get it together or hand him over to the nanny. The boy is fine; he just has shiite parents; for not anticipating his behavior and not having a plan should it happen and then just sitting there while he ran havoc and ruined his cousins time and disrupted everyone around them. Even poor kids in average rated schools are exposed to these simple behavior directions. Time to look for new nannies v

He clear needs time in the oubliette.

How old does he have to be before they can appoint him Governor of the Bahamas to get him out of the country?

R278, The observation one ought make here is that the DoC seems, regardless of G&C, not to know of child-rearing. See r279.

I’ll cut him some slack. A generation of toddlers were thrown off-schedule by COVID. Between lockdowns and masks, he’s probably behind the curve in terms of socialization (reading facial cues, playing with other children, attending family gatherings and such).

R278 You don’t have to be a chicken to know what an egg is.

I do so hope he doesn’t have an intellectual disability.

R284 is my hero.

R383 I agree with you, Louis has had a different experience when compared to his peers. But I still take issue with the hands on the face which is a lack of parental boundaries.

The kid is not autistic, he is just a tired and overstimulated 4 year old.

Plus, it isn't just that Louis is (allegedly) acting up because he is bored (everything seems to "bore" him, then); it is how he expresses the feeling. What does Louis do to amuse himself?

He pulls another child's hair to hurt her. He shuts his mother's mouth with his hand, thumbs his nose at her, makes faces at her. He scowls. He grimaces. He sticks out his tongue.

When he's being "good," Louis is gesticulating wildly, turning his head, being "boisterous."

Prince Charles seemed able to calm the boy down a bit, holding him around the chest with Charles's meaty mitts.

Where was William?

He’s got the Andrew gene. Hide the sex slaves!

Even Mike Tindall intervened.

Why not give the boy an early retirement? Prince John received one.

Can you imagine if this had been Archie? OMG the kind of things that would be said about him, his mother, his grandmother and the entire black side of his heritage...

Hopefully by the time he’s an adult there’s a PizzaExpress in Woking he can use as an alibi.

If Meghan’s children did behave this way, the royal family probably wouldn’t have their lackeys comment on it publicly as Omid Scobie did with respect to Louis.

His behavior is like that of tard Barron publicly slapping and threatening to punch his whore mother.

Scroll down for the vid clip.

[quote]Sure there are times when kids become overwhelmed, but a teacher or parent knows to look for the signs that it’s coming and redirect, if possible or move the child to a place where he or she can gather composure.

Except that in this situation, where was Kate going to move him to? What they should have done was post on social media before the celebrations began that they intended to bring the children to several of the events, but because of their young age they would be allowed to go home if at any point they started to flag. The public would have understood that and just been happy to see them at all. A nanny or two should have been standing by in texting range to swoop if needed. It's possible they didn't intend to bring them to so many things in the first place, but that the absences of the Queen meant the popular Cambridges were asked to make a bigger showing.

When our dear Charlotte was the same age she was a bit of a holy terror too, though she didn't publicly stretch to physical assault. Lots of tongue-poking, giving cheek to the press, flouncing away from proferred parental hands, etc. Louis has been less on show than she was, maybe because he's worse or maybe because the parents learned from her that it was better to leave them at home rather than fight it. She has settled back into her habitual demeanour now, though, ie a cross between HM and Princess Anne. So it doesn't matter how bad the little one grows up, because even if something happened to George the succession is NEVER getting to Louis.

Having nannies there would not be a good look because Kate has gone out of her way to show that she is raising her kids in a more hands on way as opposed to the way the queen raised her children. It was a different time and mindset and the younger royals have evolved.

Kate’s people explicitly claimed she was angry about the Sussexes leaving because it meant she couldn’t spend time raising her kids.

Doesn’t look like she ever spent any meaningful time with them unless a camera was rolling.

Fancy that.

Harry and Meghan left two years ago. That is half of Louis’ life.

^gibberish

He obviously likes being the centre of attention – so he’s either an ill-behaved, under-disciplined brat, or just GAY.

Time will tell.

Grown adults pleading with children is never a good look. Where was the kid's governess, I would assume that she could get him under control. I doubt that Kate spends any time with the kid.

They're never going to live this one down. Prince Louis will be well into middle age and those images of him thumbing his nose at dss of Cambridge will still be brought up.

One wonders if pss Margaret were still alive what she'd make of all this.

R222 the only events that warrant the use of a tiara are events Kate is already attending so I don’t know what you mean. She will wear different tiaras but the number of fancy banquets and events where a tiara is deemed acceptable is rather small.

R231 a marvelous job? Her child was acting buck wild. Her daughter did the same at his age. She was even silenced by her 4 year old and he pulled his cousins hair and kicked his sister. Kate or William should have removed him and tried this stuff again when he’s older. A marvelous job would have been putting your foot down to forcing your 4 year old to attend such an event with cameras trained on his every move.

She made the best out of the situation but it was anything but marvelous. .

Pearl clutcher at R203...."Not his sister, not his cousin......his mother"!!!

Heavens to Betsy, it's the collapse of Western civilization. Would love to have seen some of you angels at aged 4.

Also R203....... "Those of us raised in a proper manner would’ve never gotten away with similar behavior, even if it had happened in private. I don’t think Kate is a bad mother and her son hates her, but I now feel confident he’s autistic"...

You actually sound more autistic tbh. Have you a fainting couch in each room?

Some of you were never around little kids much. Many, almost all have a phase that lasts a few weeks where they throw tantrums like that, and worse. It passes, whatever you do or don't. She's handling it well and it's very relatable. Kids aren't little bots.

R307, You overlook the obvious: We all WERE 4-year-olds once. It matters not whether we are now "around little kids much."

I for one, being a November baby, was already at age four in kindergarten, with all the expected appropriate behaviors and self-discipline that suggests.

Louis seems undisciplined and unsocialized. Where did he pick up those gestures and behaviors?

R308, exactly. It’s such a tired argument, you haven’t been around kids, you are gay man, as a defense by these dummies. These are the same people who probably dismissed a swastika wearer at 20 as just being young. I said on the other thread, this kid isn’t your run of the mill 4 yr old. He’s the kid who grows up with enormous wealth and privilege his entire life and becomes that bully teenager/young adult where rules don’t apply. He’s going to want attention because he’s inconsequential and will act out and be reckless. Parents will indulge him because of that fact. All you have to do is look at Harry and Andrew to predict the future.

R309 Godwin's Law alert! Sheesh

Kate was in a no-win situation. She had the eyes of the world on her, live, while her child was acting up - as children do. ANYTHING she did was going to be scrutinized and someone was going to find fault in it. She chose the most passive route. Maybe she was right, maybe she was wrong, but anything else she would have done would have gotten the exact same amount of criticism.

If she marched him off to bed the childless child psychologists on here would be describing that a sign of weakness and failure in parenting too. Lose/lose

R311 quit making excuses for them!

R311 and r312 are regulah Nostradamuses, don'tcha know.

Even many of the commentators are having a go at Kaiser for criticizing Kate for Louis' behavior. When even the Celebitchy commentators are defending Kate, maybe it's best to rethink your position. You'd do altogether better to admit you hate Kate outright than to hold to flimsy excuses.

They need to bring me over to Ole'Blighty to demonstrate the Ukrainian inner arm pinch/twist^see above R277. Subtle, no one sees it. Brings you in line instantly. You don't wail or cry, cause you know if you do another is on its way. No bruises, either, so you can't squeal. I'm telling you it's the Slavic version of the Vulcan Nerve Pinch. It'll make a nice, well-behaved little boy out of Lou. Too bad Putin's mom was Russian, instead of Uki. He could use a Uki pinch/twist right about now.

It was everything (months and years) leading up to that moment (hand on mouth). That probably wasn't the first time he did something like that. So, this was just the first time he did that in public. He probably doesn't ever get consequences for disrespecting his mother like that. Kate apparently doesn't seem to demand respect from him. Yes, I realize he has a mind of his own. But Kate does seem to have a passive personality.

People should watch the clip at R303. I had missed the part after the nose-thumbing where it looks like he attempts to slap her. I’m not quite sure how anyone can write this off as normal child behavior. Kate looks exasperated and has to actually take a moment to compose herself.

A lot of it looks like he's a pretty nasty brat, but not all kids are docile. And maybe she handles it differently when not in the public eye.

A friend I eventually grew apart from had a brat who acted liked that. I've always wondered if he turned out okay or became a juvenile delinquent.

Look at all the homophobic fraus who come here to prohibit "childless fags" to talk about children. First of all, as if the fact that you contributed to world overpopulation with few spawns make you expert in pedagogy. You haven’t worked in kindergarten or some other children’s institution that gave you insight in behavior of substantial number of kids, so that you can talk with authority about the possibilities of four year’s old socialization. Based on your home manners shown here and your bigotry your children were socialized badly too and probably traumatized by the obtuse mother.

Second, this is a forum for gay men where they can speak about whatever the hell they want to and no expertise is required. For God’s sake, we all discussed Covid and perhaps only few here are medical experts.

Btw, I don’t mind that the little brat made a show, he was funny.

More Mum-slapping, nose-thumbing, head-shaking.

Kate the Stepford consort probably gets permission from the Firm on how to raise and discipline Louis

It was one burst of brattiness that Kate stomped out with patience and words; otherwise, Louis spent the three hours cuddling with family members, eating snacks, talking to his cousins and mum, and actively watching the pageant.

This "outrage" has been astroturfed by Sussex stans who are pissed of that this weekend was a humiliation for Meghan and a triumph for the Royal Family they foolishly said needed her. Of course, they are only making the Cambridges more endearing to the world by calling attention to it. They are as good at making own goals as their dear Madame Duchess.

“One” outburst of brattiness?

Which was it…the smack across his mother’s face, the yanking of his cousin’s hair or when Louis covered his mother’s mouth as she spoke to him? There were others but you said there was only one instance…help us understand what you consider an “outburst” of bratty behavior?

This isn’t about Harry & Meghan or even about the recalled items they were likely presented as gifts for their kids…this is about the fruit of the Cambridges “hands-on parenting” being on full display.

Spare the rod, spoil the child. That's what I say...

I don’t take much interest but they seem like quite plain and annoying kids to me. Of course young kids don’t always know how to behave. But the difference seems to be that they simply ignore what their parents tell them even when they repeatedly tell them - or often request them - to stop it. I might have got up to stuff behind my parents’ back but if they told us to do something or stop doing something we generally did. And no, they didn’t hit us or punish us severely in any way. It didn’t really occur to us we had a choice.

Oh ffs R250 the queen was only 33 when she had Andrew. She was older when she had Edward. I’m not aware of any link between an ‘older’ - to be defined - parent and being a pervert.

Kate is too busy eating bon bons and drinking champagne all day, while William is too busy playing polo and fucking his slutty groupies.

Neither of them has the time to pay any attention to their rotten children.

[quote] Kate is too busy eating bon bons and drinking champagne all day,

You must be joking.

More like eating a single almond and drinking water with lemon all day.

R312, for fucks sake, no one would. That’s exactly what she should have done. He was adversely affecting others enjoyment and he was aggressive with his sister and cousin; take him outside. Either to a waiting nanny or take him home. Many parents do this; kids acting uncivilized at the grocery store, well home and time out. Just leave! Moms in church leave all the time. It’s not the fucking rapture; your kid is too young for this venue; take him for how long he can behave, then leave when he starts getting rowdy. Geez. If the citizens of the UK don’t get that, then fuck them, it’s your child and your call.

Four year old kids are bored easily. They like attention. And they act up. He is too young to be brought out for anything more than a brief appearance. He should have been left in the care of his nanny at Kensington Palace while the rest of his family faced the public exposure.

Autistic idk, but he’s bad as fuck.

Ffs, he's four years old and was bored. That said, he might indeed be the spoilt kid. Remember he was the baby/toddler who had this very rare disposition of being able to make everyone smile and happy around him. These kids often end up being spoilt since they can get away with quite a lot. Plus, he's the youngest out of three which makes it also likely he can get away with stuff his older siblings can't.

If Archie misbehaved, the Klan Grannies would say that Meghan was the worst mother in the world, she should be executed, and her children are black trash.

But because this involved the lily white Kate and Louis, the Klan Grannies are perfectly fine with it, and Kate is "doing the best she can."

This is the Klan Granny viewpoint IN A NUTSHELL.

Thread closed.

This thread makes me more grateful than ever that I'll never be a parent. Even without the complications of your kids being in line to inherit a throne, any and all parenthood just seems so fraught!

But it's not about Meghan and Archie, it's about Kate and Louis and people are saying those things. That's something you can actually condemn right now, instead of creating a false victimhood for your favorite.

Kate is such a fucking loser.

So are her mentally deficient crotch spawn.

Yeah, read twitter. All those lovely ladies in the Sussex Squad attacking a little kid. Meghan sure has a vile fanclub.

[quote] All those lovely ladies in the Sussex Squad attacking a little kid

All is fair in love and war.

Um R338 have you seen the shit posted about Harry and Meghan's kids? The BRF sure has a a vile fanclub.

George looks like William and Michael Middleton.

Charlotte looks like Carole Middleton and The Queen.

Louis looks like Kate, a bit, and who else?

Anyone with two neurons to rub together can see that Kate and Wilks's children are 100x better behaved than any living American child.

Is Louis an aspie?

[quote]The boy is fine; he just has shiite parents

I'm pretty sure they're CofE.

I hope that history shall not repeat itself, but it struck me while watching the Royal Box, that George and Charlotte, in their interactions, looked a lot like childhood versions of Charles and Anne. Which would sadly place Louis in the Andrew position.

A bunch of childless gay Americans pontificating about the child-rearing capabilities of a member of the British royal family. Thank you so much for sharing your collective wisdom!

[quote]Louis looks like Kate, a bit, and who else?

Sir Ben Ainslie 👀

[quote] Louis looks like Kate, a bit, and who else?

Honestly, to me he looks a lot like pictures of his great-uncle Edward.

HIs behavior is still something can be corrected by a french country Catholic boarding school run by nuns that cycle together.

R342 So, how’s Brexit treating you? 💅

This could be a normally well behaved child acting out at an event that is unusual and maybe a little overwhelming for him, or he could just be a creepy little kid (he looks a little possessed in that short video). And that is a strange old-fashioned gesture of disrespect, curious about where he learned it.

In any case, he’s 4, not 2. Old enough to understand that his behavior is not appropriate. Whether he can control it is another matter altogether.

Sheesh this whole family is whackadoo aren’t they?

Kids are different. One of my sons at 4 couldn’t sit still and would have challenged me, particularly in public where he knew my options of discipline were limited. The other was very calm and could have sat calmly. Both are now grown and successful.

I had a cousin that makes Louis look positively angelic. He was like that until 12. Yet he grew up to be very personable, and extremely successful in his career.

I give Catherine a pass on this one, and it’s nice to have a spirited child.

Cringing for Catherine throughout those moments. Damn.

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Look at all these Sussex fanatics desperately attacking Louis and Kate in here while they could be celebrating Lilibet's bd and the pic that got released. What vile creatures Meghan's fangirlies are.

Btw, what happened to poor Archie? You know, the one that Meghan described as a 'hobby'. The one that DID NOT make Harry and Meghan a family. Already entirely forgotten now that the golden child Lilibet is here?

[quote]I give Catherine a pass on this one, and it’s nice to have a spirited child.

R352 must be Chris MacNeil.

Back on planet Earth, 4-year-olds don’t repeatedly strike their mothers and try to stop them from talking.

Poor guy he looks just like Williams, which means when he is 18 he'll be good-looking for five minutes.

Kate should have leaned in and whispered a threat to turn him over her knee. That would have straightened him up. Old school works best in critical moments.

George and Charlotte seem to be very close while Louis looks rather left out of their fun. Maybe that's why he acts up. That and being the youngest, resulting in getting away with improper behavior much easier than his older siblings.

"Listen, Louis, if you don't stop acting up NOW, you'll be sent off to Montecito for a while . . ."

Somewhere - in heaven or more likely hell - my Old Maid Aunt Lucy is nodding approvingly at all the DLers sans enfants espousing their theories on child-rearing. Taking up her mantle of berating the mothers of misbehaving kids at the grocery store.

Carry on.

[quote]Kate should have leaned in and whispered a threat to turn him over her knee.

That wouldn't work on George because he'd be "into it."

Most Englishmen are, R362.

One positive is that I liked seeing Kate more human. She’s very robotic and stepford wifeish, it was nice to see her frazzled a bit and caught a little off guard. You can tell she was embarrassed and close to losing it.

Kate should have just pointed at Louis and said, "Charlotte--kill!"

He was bloody lucky Aunt Anne was too far away to deal with him. (She and Tim were on Charles's left.)

I did enjoy the emoji Kate used to signify him in her summation of the day.

Louis is BARELY four years old. Wasn't his birthday just in April? He was three years old just a few weeks ago. He's fine.

[quote] And that is a strange old-fashioned gesture of disrespect, curious about where he learned it.

Which gesture are you calling old-fashioned.?

R367, probably the thumb-nose-waggling-fingers thing. I think I first saw it done by the Three Stooges, but maybe earlier than that. I'm surprised that a child raised in Louis' environment would ever see it.

R368 I think that is just a gesture kids naturally develop. I've known little kids that did it, but I have no idea from whom they would copy it from.

[quote]He was bloody lucky Aunt Anne was too far away to deal with him.

Anne has no fucks to give. LOL

"How old are you, Louis, four? Care to make it to five?"

When Louis crawled over to sit on Charles' lap he behaved better. Yet I noticed Great-Aunt Anne shot him a few looks, he knew better than to misbehave down there. I noticed Mike Tindall tried to talk to and get Louis to behave, with the I'm watching you sign, at one point. He is a very ugly man physically, but he really seems like a good guy and a great father. Really watching the familial interactions in the royal box made them all really look like a normal family.

He's too young to be threatened with being sent to stay with Aunt Anne, and learning how to much out stables. But George and Charlotte aren't!

Seriously, though, they're rich kids, and working with horses is great for rich kids. Taking care of a horse, and bonding with an animal and learning to understand its needs, and the reality of vet care and mucking out stables, and meeting the various sorts of people one meets at stables including the grooms and sensible old Aunt Anne, is a great way for spoiled rich kids to get in touch with reality. It's an interest where their money both matters and doesn't matter; they need money to have a horse so they'll be around peers, but money doesn't buy success, the rider still has to do the work and accept the horse on its own terms. That's why there are private schools with equestrian departments, for troubled rich kids that need straightening out.

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Comment from Daily Mail piece linked above...

"IMO the most disturbing comment on social media was by an American who suggested they needed to give Louis a pill to calm him down. The idea that the only way to control a lively 4 year old is to drug them sums up everything that is wrong about a society that assumes that being naughty means that a child has some sort of medical/behavioural problem."

It is particularly ironic that anyone on the DL would make such an assumption.

Have 4-year-olds changed since oh, 1950?

I think that what too many think is "normal" behavior is actually just what is these days allowed as "acceptable" behavior. IOW, nurture, not nature.

Can anyone seriously argue that Louis would dare clap his hand over his FATHER'S mouth, make rude gestures towards his FATHER, slap his hands around his FATHER'S face, angrily stick his tongue out at his FATHER?

My bet is that Louis would neither dare nor care to. And that would put the lie to his behavior towards his mother as somehow developmentally expected and "normal."

Well, tempus fugit. Let's hope we're all around in 2024 to comment on how well-behaved the 6-year-old Louis is.

I thought it was hilarious. What a little asshole! Jesus, he's 4, he's bored af, and not taking 'stop it' for an answer. If anything, it probably made Kate even more relatable having to deal with such an unruly sprog.

Also like that it that the coverage completely torpedoed the Harkles lame baby photo. How sad that only royal-adjacent kiddies attended the partay. No wonder Harry looked pissed when he got back. lol

I think that even DLers can be more objective than mothers who think that the fact that they procreated make them think they are Anne Freud. I would respect the opinion of some expert working in children's institution (not even an expert, but someone of the stuff who spend lots of time time with different kids). But parents know only one of few children that are product of their own imperfect, unknowledgeable upbringing, largely helped by phones and TV as nannies. Mothers are dismissive even of the people who professionally care of children even as experts: teachers, psychologists, nurses if no child ever dropped out of their vagina. Not to mention the mentioned maiden aunts who often in patriarchal societies brought out a number of their younger siblings, their nephews, nieces etc. But parents, especially mothers are the group of people that tends to be the most convinced of their superiority in the matter. You never see house owners pretending to be architects or car owners to be engineers. I guess this is why DLers call them fraus.

I mean, probably even the mothers of those committing the mass shooting in school hush childless people when they talk about child bringing.

They were literally in Wales on the day, r378. As you well know.

"I get he’s a kid and most likely has ADHD"

Back in Developmental Psych I was told that you can't diagnose ADHD in kids under 5 or 6, because it's completely normal for 4-year-olds to buzz around like a manic on bath salts.

I watched the whole pageant and noticed there were several times when Louis's seat was empty, and Kate's seat was sometimes empty as well. Obviously Kate (and someone else) took him away for breaks. There was at least one occasion when Louis sat on William's lap, not just Charles'. And that's just what Sky News chose to air. We never get a totally accurate representation of anything from media. I'm not saying he didn't act like a brat at times, but I think he did pretty well for a four-year-old trying to pay attention to three hours of nonstop motion/noise.

I noticed on the balcony and the pageant that when he was quietly watching, Kate kept talking to him, then he would act out. What’s up with that? As far as the events, the balcony was not that long and he still couldn’t control himself. The 3 yr old cousin, Zara’s daughter, was sitting right behind at the pageant and seemed to be much better behaved.

R384 Key word: daughter. Boys are far more hyper than girls.

That’s an interesting point, R384. Maybe the problem isn’t the kids are being raised by nannies…maybe Kate is smothering Louis and causing him to act out as a resort.

George is the future king, so Kate can’t raise him however she’d like. Charlotte is the spare and she seems independent (plus, mothers and daughters don’t always get along too well).

If Kate had left Louis alone he might’ve made it the whole program without acting out. But he’s her project.

Why on earth would anyone watch this shit on tv?

"If Kate had left Louis alone he might’ve made it the whole program without acting out."

Sweetie, that's not how four-year-olds work!

Ask a typical four-year-old to sit through a three hour pageant that didn't include a single cartoon character or live dinosaur, and they'd be bored beyond endurance in 1-5 minutes, and either start whining to watch some stupid cartoon, or get up and start grabbing hats and throwing them off the balcony like frisbees. Kate kept the little bastard in his seat for almost the whole show, AND she did it without a tablet full of cartoons or the usual bag of games and snacks, OR visible intervention from the nanny. In the fiercely competitive world of parenting, that's Olympic-level work.

R386 you are describing Elizabeth and Andrew and to a lessor extent Edward.