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Russia will nuke American cities if Ukraine hits Russian soil with our weapons .

They consider this a proxy war .

by Anonymousreply 220June 25, 2022 3:14 PM


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by Anonymousreply 1June 5, 2022 3:17 AM

Then Russia will be destroyed before anything hits the US.

by Anonymousreply 2June 5, 2022 3:19 AM

Desperate loser threat.

by Anonymousreply 3June 5, 2022 3:21 AM

It is a proxy war.

by Anonymousreply 4June 5, 2022 3:24 AM

Fucking with our elections and our gullible morons/sociopaths was Russia's first strike.

by Anonymousreply 5June 5, 2022 3:27 AM

I dont know. Putin is at deaths door himself. Will he care about nuking America if he doesn't really have to live with the consequences? I'm 52, I lived through 1983, and right now I'm more terrified than ever of a nuclear strike.

Putin has shown zero regard for human life. Doesn't care if people suffer. What's to stop the fucking lowlife piece of shit?

Humans are a ridiculous species. Fucking shameful what we allow.

by Anonymousreply 6June 5, 2022 3:28 AM

R5 and it worked like a charm. Drooling red state gun fucking simpletons

by Anonymousreply 7June 5, 2022 3:29 AM

We'll, at least we have our guns to protect us.

Oh, wait! Do they work against nuclear missiles?

by Anonymousreply 8June 5, 2022 3:34 AM

Just drop a nuke on them and get it over with.

by Anonymousreply 9June 5, 2022 3:36 AM

Russia is not going to nuke anyone. Even if they do it's really not worth worrying over.

by Anonymousreply 10June 5, 2022 3:38 AM

Sure Jan.

He’s not nuking one single American city before we take him to prison.

by Anonymousreply 11June 5, 2022 4:02 AM

Putin may be dying, but the people around him aren't and he can't push that button by himself.

Russia's been working on "tactical" nukes--not the old huge ones they used to make and it's unclear how many of the huge ones are left and would work.

by Anonymousreply 12June 5, 2022 4:55 AM

In November 1968, the Soviet Union and North Vietnam signed a new set of military and economic agreements. The USSR agreed to supply deliveries of food, petroleum, transportation equipment, iron and steel, other metals, fertilisers, arms, munitions and other commodities, for strengthening North Vietnam's defences.

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by Anonymousreply 13June 5, 2022 5:11 AM

Oh well if Alaska and parts of Canada have to go…

by Anonymousreply 14June 5, 2022 6:10 AM

[quote] He’s not nuking one single American city before we take him to prison.


by Anonymousreply 15June 5, 2022 6:21 AM

[quote] Putin may be dying, but the people around him aren't and he can't push that button by himself.

They and the majority of Russia agree with him, dear. The entire country is full of lunatics.

by Anonymousreply 16June 5, 2022 6:22 AM

You Armageddon Arlenes and Nuclear Nellies have been predicting atomic doom for months and months now. And no one else in the reputable news media agrees with you.

Call us again when Susan Collins tells us she is "concerned" at the prospect of nuclear war over Ukraine. maybe then we'll finally believe we're in danger.

by Anonymousreply 17June 5, 2022 6:31 AM

R16, they're not all loons, which is why the back channel between Russia and the U.S. is open to discuss the nuke thing. Russia's interest is tactical nukes and seeing if they can get away with that. NATO is basically warning them that if they do it, then they really will get NATO involved.

Right now, Russia could lose the war in Ukraine, but it won't lose any of its own territory. It's quite possible that even losing Donbas, they could still hold on to Crimea, which is of strategic importance to them. They launch tactical nukes, though, then it's game over and they really will have to deal with the United States military--and the result is either nuclear devastation for all or Russia is crushed.

Russia loves to talk a lot about how the Soviets won World War II, what they don't talk about is that they couldn't have done it without the U.S. sending them arms and equipment. They won't get that this time. China doesn't want a boycott, so they're not going to help and U.S. equipment's better anyway.

For all the bitching people like to do about the United States, we're actually pretty hands-off as superpowers go. On some level, we just don't care enough to do the whole full-fledged colonial thing for any length of time. None of this running India for a couple of hundred years, we managed the Philippines for about 40.

by Anonymousreply 18June 5, 2022 6:35 AM

[quote]On some level, we just don't care enough to do the whole full-fledged colonial thing for any length of time.


by Anonymousreply 19June 5, 2022 6:41 AM

R19, Yeah, instead of keeping it as a territory, it became a state, We have territories, but they're small. It's a contrast to an empire like Russia, where there's Russia and then a bunch of satellite states with no power in the Russian government. Hawaii isn't in a second tier position (though Puerto Rico is) in the way the Russian satellite republics are no matter how illegal the annexation was. (And it was)

by Anonymousreply 20June 5, 2022 10:08 AM

Can we make requests? Tampa, Phoenix, Dallas, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Salt Lake City, anything in Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, South Carolina (except Charleston).

by Anonymousreply 21June 5, 2022 12:20 PM

Nuke New York and rid the country of crappy politicians who affect the whole country.

by Anonymousreply 22June 5, 2022 12:43 PM

Russian datalounger here. Don't take anything Medvedev says seriously. He is alcoholic who is not nearly as important as he used to be. Putin's lapdog. They have weird co-dependent, almost BDSM relationship. He is trying to show he is more loyal and anti-west than anybody in Putin's circle to get his attention back.

by Anonymousreply 23June 5, 2022 1:03 PM

This is Medvedev's response to the visit by Macron, Scholz and Draghi to Kyiv. I must admit it's pretty funny, especially in light of r23's revelation that he likes his vodka.

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by Anonymousreply 24June 16, 2022 1:11 PM

Nuke Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 25June 16, 2022 1:13 PM

Is it me, or does the DL commentariat get loonier by the day?

by Anonymousreply 26June 16, 2022 1:15 PM

I think we should allow him to nuke the state of Texas and be done with it

by Anonymousreply 27June 16, 2022 1:23 PM

[quote]Can we make requests? Tampa, Phoenix, Dallas, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Salt Lake City, anything in Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, South Carolina (except Charleston).

I say Vlad should first nuke the whole of Florida to rid us of that appendix. Then focus on the Ozarks and Appalachia as an extermination exercise.

by Anonymousreply 28June 16, 2022 1:26 PM

R28 Florida is a good call.

by Anonymousreply 29June 16, 2022 1:29 PM

Why would Ukraine hit Russian soil in the first place? All they want is to get the Russians off their own. Unless they're outstandingly terrible shots, this issue could only even vaguely come up if they decide to reclaim the Crimea and Putin insists it's his, but any such confrontation is a very long way off.

I do love how the first thing Americans do is start thinking excitedly, "Ooh, which states could we get him to demolish?"

Florida would solve a lot of problems, particularly if You Know Who were home at the time. Although, like cockroaches and Keith Richards, he'd probably survive a nuclear attack.

by Anonymousreply 30June 16, 2022 1:42 PM

Doesn't anybody like Disney World?

Leave Florida alone!!11!!

by Anonymousreply 31June 16, 2022 1:53 PM

[quote]Can we make requests?

Anywhere near Mar-A-Lago.

by Anonymousreply 32June 16, 2022 2:17 PM

Can't Putin die already?

by Anonymousreply 33June 16, 2022 2:37 PM

Shrimp dick Putin doesn't have the balls to directly attack our country. All he'll do is antagonize us invading our periphery like the annoying kid in class, invading our personal space and taunting "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

by Anonymousreply 34June 16, 2022 2:46 PM

NATO has been the aggressor all along. They've destroyed their own economies and now they're going to get themselves nuked over this.

I was against this from the start just as I was with the useless COVID masking and lockdowns.

by Anonymousreply 35June 16, 2022 2:49 PM

Oh come on OP, how many times has Russia lied about everything? They swore they had no intention of invading Ukraine. At some point you to have to get smarter and stop reacting to their lies. If Russia nukes even one US city it will be bombed into oblivion and then so will the US.

by Anonymousreply 36June 16, 2022 3:11 PM

They say this all the time, OP. Were you born yesterday? The Russians are liars.

by Anonymousreply 37June 16, 2022 3:12 PM

[quote] NATO has been the aggressor all along. They've destroyed their own economies and now they're going to get themselves nuked over this.

[quote] I was against this from the start just as I was with the useless COVID masking and lockdowns.

You just love putting your stupidity out there for all to see, don't you?

by Anonymousreply 38June 16, 2022 3:13 PM

Since most American cities already look like they have been bombed, how will we know if it happens?

by Anonymousreply 39June 16, 2022 3:49 PM

B-b-but, isn’t the goal of a NATO Ukraine all about shooting down ICBMs as they launch from Russia? Isn’t that the bone of contention Vis a vis Putin and the US?

by Anonymousreply 40June 16, 2022 5:18 PM

Is that sad, fat clown from Pittsburgh back with his verbal diarrhea? De-Facto, nothing in your sad life was right, including your mother's decision not to abort.

by Anonymousreply 41June 16, 2022 6:29 PM

no, they won't

by Anonymousreply 42June 16, 2022 6:48 PM

It's my understanding that Ukrainian forces already made incursions into Russia, months ago, destroying energy infrastructure, bridges, railroads, etc.. Russia nuked nobody.

But if Russia ever did anything that stupid, there is one outcome that would be an absolute certainty: all of the nuclear-capable NATO nations would instantly retaliate. Russia would not be so much as a greasespot on the ass of the Earth. It would no longer exist. The world would be rid of its criminal bullshit once and for all.

by Anonymousreply 43June 16, 2022 7:31 PM

Segei Lavrov says relations with the UK are irredeemable because Boris Johnson and Liz Truss keep calling for the total defeat of Russia and saying it should be brought to its knees.

Lavrov’s response? “Go ahead then, do it”.

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by Anonymousreply 44June 17, 2022 9:56 AM

Mother Russia needs to act.

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by Anonymousreply 45June 17, 2022 9:59 AM

OP and other idiots like r44 this is the 900th thread you have started on this same shit every time anyone in Russia says something like this. Please seek help and fuck off with the scaremongering.

No one cares about Russia. They are a weak, insignificant country with horrible citizens that are the pariahs of every nation. They can't even take over their neighbor to the west because their much-vauntdd "Great Russian Army" has been shown to be as corrupt and useless as the rest of the country.

No one would even think about them if they didn't constantly keep trying to claim they have giant cocks, when everyone knows they have micropenises. They hate the rest of the world but are jealous of it at the same time, and don't realize that it's their own fault, they are not victims, they are to blame for the state of their shitty country and their shitty people.

They just want to make the rest of the world shitty too, so they don't feel so bad when they look at us. Fuck them.

by Anonymousreply 46June 17, 2022 10:08 AM

^ Volodymyr Zelensky.

by Anonymousreply 47June 17, 2022 10:35 AM

Unlikely, as he is busy being awesome and showing Russia what an actual leader that cares about his people looks like.

by Anonymousreply 48June 17, 2022 10:41 AM

At 66 I think I have lived under the threat of Russa nuking us most of my life...I could care less at this point

by Anonymousreply 49June 17, 2022 12:36 PM

I am a fat bleeding sow cunt.

by Anonymousreply 50June 17, 2022 12:44 PM

Couldn’t care less.

by Anonymousreply 51June 17, 2022 12:50 PM

History has proven that appeasement policies do not work, hang Putin and the war is over.

by Anonymousreply 52June 17, 2022 2:31 PM

^ The Russians would like to see you try it. This is essentially a proxy war between Russia and NATO. There are signs that Vlad and Xi are working on moves for a formal military alliance with Russia, China and a bunch of East and Central Asian countries. The cold war is back.

by Anonymousreply 53June 17, 2022 3:15 PM

R41 I’m from NYC.

by Anonymousreply 54June 17, 2022 5:10 PM

The only way this happens is if a dying Putin doesn't give a shit about his own country. That wouldn't leave much of a legacy which he may care very much about. If his mind is working rationally.

Russia would have to hit its targets which is questionable. And in the meanwhile, every Western allied nuke would be unleashed on Russia and that will be the end of Russia for a long time to come. Probably only need to hit a few strategic targets in Russia to destroy the country and any weapons capability. Not so with the US. The US could easily survive a nuclear attack and probably get its economy back in a short time. We could also better deal with it medically.

by Anonymousreply 55June 17, 2022 5:20 PM

^^^ Meant to add: I doubt the generals or those in charge of the nukes would follow his orders.

by Anonymousreply 56June 17, 2022 5:21 PM

"There are signs that Vlad and Xi are working on moves for a formal military alliance with Russia, China and a bunch of East and Central Asian countries. "

Yeah I'm sure that will work out nicely for China's economy.

by Anonymousreply 57June 17, 2022 5:40 PM

^ It's happening.

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by Anonymousreply 58June 18, 2022 11:08 AM

They proved their army is way weaker than they pretend to be, they are in no position of threaten the USA

by Anonymousreply 59June 18, 2022 11:15 AM

The war in Ukraine is a proxy war between Russia and NATO. No one thinks Russia's army is "weak" r59. Certainly not the countries scampering to join NATO. The whole of Europe is not shoring up its defences because of a "weak" army.

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by Anonymousreply 60June 18, 2022 11:19 AM

Yes Sweden and Finland are now applying to join NATO and Germany is increasing its defence budget. The iron curtain will return.

by Anonymousreply 61June 18, 2022 11:21 AM

Russia got to remember, they don't have the Warsaw pact anymore., if they are having trouble beating the Ukraines, they will probably be no match to the greater force of Nato and US. Which is why they quickly Saber rattle with thier nuke threats

by Anonymousreply 62June 18, 2022 11:46 AM

R7 Unfortunately, Russian trolls don’t just target conservatives…

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by Anonymousreply 63June 18, 2022 12:15 PM

I don’t care what Russia or Putin threatens. The country is basically irrelevant and unimportant. Their sad little “war” is an embarrassment. I hope Ukraine holds on and Putin and his cohorts die on that hill, permanently.

by Anonymousreply 64June 18, 2022 12:30 PM

Like owning nukes in the first place, it’s all about threatening, not actually using them

by Anonymousreply 65June 18, 2022 12:33 PM

[quote]Nuke Hollywood.

Wait, WHAT?!

by Anonymousreply 66June 18, 2022 12:38 PM

[quote]Florida is a good call.


by Anonymousreply 67June 18, 2022 12:40 PM

Interesting that there's no ideologies behind this latest polarization, just nastiness.

by Anonymousreply 68June 18, 2022 12:58 PM

The idiot who keeps saying this is a proxy war is just repeating Russian propaganda (something I've noticed the right wing does a lot of nowadays).

This is what Russia wants it to be, a war between it and the US, a war between it and NATO. It would help it sell the war at home even better than before and would probably invigorate their troops if it were. But it is not. Russia invaded its neighbor - this is not the first time they have attacked unprovoked - and can end this immediately by withdrawing and going home. This is not a war between anyone but Russia and Ukraine.

by Anonymousreply 69June 18, 2022 1:45 PM

Good, this way there will be an official excuse to make Russia disappear from the map and get rid of homophobic and crazy russians.

by Anonymousreply 70June 18, 2022 1:58 PM

R59 when the Soviet Union fell apart, we were surprised her in the US how little modern technology they had. Their computers were a yr older than god and with all their postering, they didnt pose the threat we thought they did...I wasted most of my childhood waiting for the bomb to drop

by Anonymousreply 71June 18, 2022 2:01 PM

But it is a proxy war, r69. The billions worth of military aid is unprecedented and has definitely prolonged it.

by Anonymousreply 72June 19, 2022 8:12 AM

The ruble is way up. Putin is winning

by Anonymousreply 73June 19, 2022 8:34 AM

He's winning because oil prices are up. Russia's making more money from energy than before sanctions.

by Anonymousreply 74June 19, 2022 8:40 AM

I can't wait until Putin is assassinated!

by Anonymousreply 75June 19, 2022 8:45 AM

And it cracks me up that people and intelligence actually think anything has improved in Russian military R71. If anything, it’s gotten worse. Does anyone believe they have actual functioning nuclear weapons? They can’t even invade a small military-less country. Russia is broken and isn’t coming back.

by Anonymousreply 76June 19, 2022 1:22 PM

Of course conservatives who love Putin are dreaming their pants at the prospect of Putin bombing “Socialists”

by Anonymousreply 77June 19, 2022 1:35 PM

R72 no, it is NOT a proxy war. We are simply supporting the Ukranians in defending their country. As is most of Europe.

You're just spreading Russian propaganda. They WANT this to be about the US. But US is not fighting and dying, Ukranians are, and this is their war and their struggle for the sovereignty of their country and people.

by Anonymousreply 78June 19, 2022 2:32 PM

And no, Putin is not winning.

The economic moves the Russian Central bank has made are short tern moves that they can't sustain forever, and there is a major bill coming due. They're selling their oil much cheaper than what you can get it for on the open market, the oligarchs are fleeing Russia (those who left before Putin outlawed them from leaving), they don't have the electronic components to manufacture more of most of their advanced weaponry, and even basic electronics.

It takes awhile for sanctions to have a significant impact, but they are quickly running out of what they need to make a lot of things, and China can't resupply it all. They've turned themselves into a pariah nation again and have shown how weak they are to the world.

by Anonymousreply 79June 19, 2022 2:37 PM

They may be able to do some serious damage to the US, but we have the power to wipe Russia off the map.

by Anonymousreply 80June 19, 2022 2:38 PM

The obvious target is clearly the Alaskan coast.

by Anonymousreply 81June 19, 2022 2:48 PM

Noooo! My house!

by Anonymousreply 82June 19, 2022 2:50 PM

At least Sarah Palin can see it coming.

by Anonymousreply 83June 19, 2022 2:55 PM

I can't anymore! I just had laser eye surgery and lost sight in both eyes due to a mishap!

by Anonymousreply 84June 19, 2022 2:57 PM

Bristol Palin should welcome Russians in case they ever make it to Alaska. Her vagina would keep them occupied for a while and swallow them eventually.

by Anonymousreply 85June 19, 2022 7:57 PM

I'd forgotten about Bristol. What is that dumb ho up to lately?

by Anonymousreply 86June 19, 2022 8:04 PM

[quote]Then Russia will be destroyed before anything hits the US.

So we'll die two minutes later?

by Anonymousreply 87June 19, 2022 8:06 PM


Link, please.

by Anonymousreply 88June 19, 2022 8:46 PM

It doesn’t look like Russians are suffering much so far so I’m curious how they were able to stabilize the ruble and their grocery stores look fully stocked. Where are they getting all this food from if there’s a trade boycott in Western Europe?

by Anonymousreply 89June 19, 2022 8:50 PM

Lmao the reason they haven't done good their nuclear threats to the West is because they probably have found out that their nuclear misiles have been so bad maintained that they would explode on themselves.

by Anonymousreply 90June 19, 2022 9:04 PM

What would be the point of nuking the Alaskan coast? Nothing of military value is there and it would be an act of war that would lead to Russia getting wiped off the map.

Despite Russia's propaganda, the U.S. isn't actually in this war--it's advising and supplying, but that's very different than American boots on the ground and the U.S. military machine being fully engaged.

China's got limited interested in supporting Russia at this point, it's too dependent on trade with countries on the other side--Europe and the U.S. Russia can't afford China.

At this point, Russia's too big for its economy and population to secure. It has fewer people than Bangladesh and Mexico. And the way things are going, it's going to have fewer people than Mexico. Honestly, it can't afford its old style of war through attrition--it needs those young men.

Time for Russia to split up and the European component to downsize and learn to play nice with its neighbors the way the rest of Europe has. You don't have to be a superpower to have a good quality of life. Just ask Germany and Japan.

by Anonymousreply 91June 19, 2022 9:29 PM

If Russia tried something stupid like that even a tactical nuke, Russia would be turned into dust and they know it.

by Anonymousreply 92June 19, 2022 9:51 PM

[quote]it is NOT a proxy war. We are simply supporting the Ukranians in defending their country. As is most of Europe.

I love how r78 denies this isn’t a proxy war and then goes on give us the exact definition of a proxy war. Oh, for the days when the average DL poster was of above average intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 93June 20, 2022 7:47 AM

[quote]It doesn’t look like Russians are suffering much so far so I’m curious how they were able to stabilize the ruble and their grocery stores look fully stocked. Where are they getting all this food from if there’s a trade boycott in Western Europe?

The EU and other allied European states (such as the UK, Switzerland, Norway and Iceland) plus the “Anglo-Saxon” world - US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand and the two most advanced East Asian economies, Japan and South Korea, have imposed sanctions on Russia. But they total a mere 37 countries vs the rest of the world with close to 160 countries refusing to join in sanctions continuing to trade with Russia crucially consuming their energy, grain, fertiliser and keeping Russian supermarket shelves fully stocked. It’s why the sanctions aren’t working and the West is failing in its goal of bringing Russia to its knees.

With an overwhelming majority of the world's population (160 plus countries) continuing as normal, Russia is hardly a “pariah” or bereft of markets for their oil and gas.

by Anonymousreply 94June 20, 2022 7:50 AM

Also, it has long been reported, even before the invasion, in outlets such as CNBC, Bloomberg and the Financial Times that Putin was uncomfortable with Russia’s reliance on the European Market and was looking to execute an Asian pivot. The Kremlin has taken advantage of this situation to secure new energy markets in the East with China and much of Central Asia set to become the biggest consumers of Russian gas over the next decade. Putin sees America as a threat and Xi has publicly stated that he believes that America is in decline, so they’re working together to accelerate the end of American hegemony.

This reset has been a long time coming and I don't expect relations to improve in our lifetimes. See link for article explaining Russia’s mistrust of the West.

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by Anonymousreply 95June 20, 2022 7:53 AM

The media isn't helping efforts to find a resolution. Poor benighted souls like r78/r79 use CNN as a primary source of news and believe everything reported by them. Let’s be realistic:

1. There will be no “total defeat” of Russia as some in the EU and UK are proclaiming. As a matter of fact, NATO Secretary General Jens Stollenberg is projecting the war could last years.

2. Ukraine is unlikely to regain sovereignty over the Donbas. The best they can hope for is a negotiated autonomy under joint administration.

3. Crimea will most definitely not be going back to Ukraine. Crimeans themselves will rebel against Putin if he tries to hand them back. You have no idea of the intensity of resentment for anything Ukrainian on that peninsula.

4. Ukraine will be granted EU candidate status but actual membership could take decades, with some analysts projecting a minimum of 30 years.

5. Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.

6. Vladimir Putin will likely remain in power for at least another decade.

I wish the media would stop giving false hope and setting up western audiences for disappointment.

by Anonymousreply 96June 20, 2022 8:02 AM

I thought Putin was dying of cancer... Oh well.

by Anonymousreply 97June 20, 2022 1:06 PM

R93 it's still not a proxy war, no matter how hard you get to make it into one. We are sending weapons to Ukraine and they are fighting for their country. We wouldn't even be doing that if they hadn't shown, in the first week of the war, that they were determined to save themselves. Everyone thought they would use. We aren't sending mercenaries to fight on our behalf and WE DIDN'T START THE WAR. This was Russia, invading Ukraine, with no provocation from anyone. They did the same thing in Georgia, and the same thing in Ukraine eight years ago. Putin does not want a democracy on his doorstep with ethnic Russians living in peace and happiness.

Russia desperately needs this to be a war against NATO, or the US, because it helps them drum up support at home and helps Putin save face. This was a disastrous decision by Putin and he will go down in history as the leader who got so far up his own ass he destroyed his country.

by Anonymousreply 98June 20, 2022 8:22 PM

I think a particularly bad hurricane season in the midst of catastrophic climate change will take care of Florida quite nicely, thank you.

by Anonymousreply 99June 20, 2022 10:18 PM

Putin is winning

by Anonymousreply 100June 21, 2022 1:48 AM

R100 keep telling yourself that, Oleg

by Anonymousreply 101June 21, 2022 5:48 AM

R97 I'm not getting my news from CNN, but you mentioning it as if it's some left wing media outlet tells me everything I need to know about your politics and where you get YOUR news.

You know what's nuts? Twenty years ago, Republicans hated Russia, and for good reason. Democrats were often trying to "reset relations" and repair relations because we wanted to get along with everyone, but we also were deeply suspicious and distrustful of Russia. However, some of the powers that be took Putin at his word and thought he was what he claimed to be back when he was given the reins of power, and hoped Russia would take the opportunity to change itself. It didn't. Now Putin is trying to restore the Soviet Union.

Since Trump, a useful idiot for Russia, got into power, that viewpoint has completely shifted in the Republican party, who are now Russia's largest supporters in the US.

Your party completely flipped its opinion on something that was considered fundamental to it, patriotic, and upholding the American way of life, just because the Republican leader was both 1) afraid of Putin, and 2) in bed with Russia, and 3) being led around the nose on Russia, and willfully didn't believe any of the intelligence agencies who were telling him what Putin was up to, because Trump is someone who thinks he can create reality simply by believing hard enough.

Trump got the RNC to change the official party platform documents to support him and remove anything critical of Russia, and Fox News, the leader of your propaganda network, defended the President with endless shrieking that ranged from "Russia's not that bad" and "you'd be a fool NOT to make deals with Russia" realpolitik, and because nuance does not exist any more, Russia went from a threat to the US to our closest, misunderstood ally in a very short period of time, at least among something like 80% of Republicans, who have seemingly forgotten the cold war.

And of course Russia helped this along too with their propaganda directly attacking western nations starting in 2013. We have been at war with Russia since then, and again, this cyber war was begun by them, in an attempt to reshape the world to their liking.

Russia is a shithole and they want to make the rest of the world an even bigger shithole so theirs doesn't stink so bad. I bet you think you're an "independent thinker" though, r97, and you'd never be influenced by obvious propaganda. Well, you have.

by Anonymousreply 102June 21, 2022 5:53 AM

r7 remember your roots, comrade

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by Anonymousreply 103June 21, 2022 5:59 AM

speaking of hurricanes, the water in the gulf is 90 degrees and around 95 degrees around New Orleans. Same conditions as during 2005 when Katrina hit.

by Anonymousreply 104June 21, 2022 5:59 AM

The switch from Yeltsin to Putin happened in the last year of Bill Clinton being president. Clinton met with Putin and after that meeting visited his friend Yeltsin and told him that he didn't like and trust Putin. Yeltsin had become suspicious of Putin as well. I think most people in the know had knowledge about the FSB being behind the Moscow apartment bombing that Putin had used this to consolidate power behind him.

I think Russia relations had to be set back with Putin. Clinton initialy wasn't in favour of NATO enlargement towards eastern European countries. After Putin came to power the whole ballgame changed.

by Anonymousreply 105June 21, 2022 12:48 PM

💣 or bump

by Anonymousreply 106June 21, 2022 1:57 PM

Italy's government on the verge of collapsing as foreign minister quits party to form own coalition. The effects of this war are being felt far and wide. But this is normal for Italy as governments often last an average of 18 months to two years.

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by Anonymousreply 107June 22, 2022 8:56 AM

R102. I fail to see how Russia, China, Iran and a handful of small countries are going to control the world economy without the US, NATO and the EU. Your hypothesis is faulty because that will not happen, save for a global natural disaster. Our sanctions upon Russia will be determined by the Ukrainian people and this will amount to decades of the sanctions into the future. By then, it would be senseless for China to go down holding hands with Russia.

I’m hoping that Russia appears to be withstanding our sanctions, but it’s due to very short-term, bandaid stop-gaps. If this is the case, then they will become a bankrupt Pariah state with their citizens living in a post-apocalyptic failed country.

by Anonymousreply 108June 22, 2022 9:25 AM

[quote]I’m hoping that Russia appears to be withstanding our sanctions, but it’s due to very short-term, bandaid stop-gaps. If this is the case, then they will become a bankrupt Pariah state with their citizens living in a post-apocalyptic failed country.

You'll be waiting a long time if that's what you're hoping. CNN lied to you. It's impossible to become a pariah if more than two-thirds of the world want to continue doing business with you. Even Macron is wavering and talking of new ways to engage with Russia. It would appear the West has hurt itself as the world economy hurtles towards recession.

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by Anonymousreply 109June 22, 2022 9:38 AM

R109 get your head out of your ass and go back to slurping up Fox News and OANN. "CNN lied to you" please. You may as well just come out and say you're a right wing Russian troll bot here to spread propaganda with that shit. And yes, we know you're OP, and you keep bumping this stupid thread to keep your propaganda going.

France and Germany have been weasely about this from the beginning, so this isn't news. Russia has been able to stave off some of the impact of the sanctions through short-sighted monetary policy, but since they don't seem to be winding down their war against Ukraine anytime soon, the sanctions will stay and they're starting to have a bigger impact that Russia can't / didn't compensate for.

Of course it will be ordinary Russians who will feel it the most, not that Putin gives a shit about them.

It was always known that sanctions would take time to have a significant impact, no one but idiots thought they would destroy Russia overnight.

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by Anonymousreply 110June 22, 2022 11:48 AM

^^^Thanks. I hope you are right.^^

by Anonymousreply 111June 22, 2022 12:37 PM

I'm irrelevant, these are experts offering commentary on the matter.

The Soviet Union - what Putin wants to return Russia to - did similar actions back in the 70s when they were hit with a lot of sanctions too. Back then, the ruble had an "official" value of $1.30, but was actually, on the black market, closer to 4 rubles for a dollar. It's all superficial with them, designed to push a psychological narrative vs. any sort of real effect.

by Anonymousreply 112June 22, 2022 12:44 PM

[quote]get your head out of your ass and go back to slurping up Fox News and OANN. "CNN lied to you" please.

I don't watch CNN nor the rest of the crazy circus Americans try to pass off as news. I'll rephrase my statement. CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, OANN and Newsmax lied to you. I don't know how you yanks continue to consume this rubbish.

by Anonymousreply 113June 22, 2022 1:05 PM

R113 If you don't watch any of them, your opinion on them is irrelevant and clearly ignorant.

And nice try attempting to appear British now.

by Anonymousreply 114June 22, 2022 1:12 PM

Sure they will.

Because they’re already fumbling this war against a vastly weaker nation.

Suuuuuure they will.

by Anonymousreply 115June 22, 2022 1:13 PM

R110. I liked the part in the article that stated Russia has gotten so pissed off with losing its chess game against the West and has overturned the chess board instead. HA! So true and accurate.

by Anonymousreply 116June 22, 2022 1:15 PM

Look at the threads from early in the war r110. The "news" went from "Russia can't a sustain a war for more than 10 days" to now saying it could last for years. CNN had experts predicting the ruble and the Russian economy would crash to junk within weeks and others had Putin getting overthrown as Russians turned on their leadership.

As someone who's studied Russia and Russian people for years, I'm here to tell you that will NOT happen! Sanctions are hurting both sides but I don't think the Kremlin will give in as they had already initiated a pivot away from the EU even before the invasion.

Calling a spade a spade isn't picking sides. Why is it so difficult for Americans to keep emotions out of such discussions?

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by Anonymousreply 117June 22, 2022 1:16 PM

R117 so your main argument is that the news and opinions change when the conditions on the ground change? And during a 24-hour news cycle dedicated to providing ongoing commentary, that some people were wrong about some things and therefore all news is wrong and bad?

No one thought that the Ukranians could hold off the Russians, either, but they have managed to. Many people greatly overestimated Russia's capabilities, but luckily Russia is there to show us all how far they have fallen.

by Anonymousreply 118June 22, 2022 1:23 PM

R117 if you truly have "studied Russia and the Russian people for years" and your only response is to repeat (and repeatedly defend) known Russian talking points ad nauseum, then you remind me sadly of Saruman from Lord of the Rings, who studied the Enemy too closely and became intoxicated and drawn in with his lies and offers of power.

I'm guessing you think "Russia Today" is an unbiased news source, too.

by Anonymousreply 119June 22, 2022 1:26 PM

If Russia is spoiling for a fight it means it thinks it will help trump get re-elected.

by Anonymousreply 120June 22, 2022 1:29 PM

So…say…what might happen if we see Polish/Turkish military aircraft sent unannounced to Ukraine to overtake the Russians in Donbas, Luhansk? Because, no, I don't think the world is willing to wait decades like Afghanistan for this conflict to be resolved. Sooner, rather than later, the rest of the world will want this unprovoked attack on Ukraine to end. And it unprovoked, unlike 9-11/Afghanistan. People the world over is getting sick of the indirect ramifications of this attack on Ukraine.

p.s. you do know that innocent parties are starving due to Russia’s holdup of wheat from Ukraine. Go ahead and have all these countries despise Russia.

by Anonymousreply 121June 22, 2022 1:35 PM

^ I'm saying keep emotions out of it and look at the facts as they are. Try and read it like you would, say, a history text book then you'll understand the blowhards at CNN and Fox News are only there for purposes of entertainment.

[quote]No one thought that the Ukranians could hold off the Russians, either, but they have managed to

You mean, no one in mainstream media? Everyone that looks at it from a non-sensationalistic lens didn't think it would take "3 days" like some idiots were claiming. Ukraine is too big. Take Afghanistan for instance. The U.S. and its allies failed to defeat and completely subdue the Taliban and in the end, were forced into an ignominious retreat (the spin doctors will spin it some other way, but the facts are there to see). That wasn't a surprise to those of us that don't watch CNN.

My assertion is: there will be no situation where Russia is completely defeated and forced to pay reparations to Ukraine. Western European countries like France and Germany will eventually open the dialogue channels and start talking to Putin. He will not be a Kim Jong-Un style pariah that you just wish away. Russia is too big ignore and the sooner we realise it, the faster we can start working towards a lasting solution and avoid more loss of life.

by Anonymousreply 122June 22, 2022 1:36 PM

[quote]No one thought that the Ukranians could hold off the Russians, either, but they have managed to

There are statements from the Joe Biden and the Pentagon from as far back as January saying Russia would suffer huge casualties if they invade. They were right about that because it's common sense. They also thought that the casualties would turn the Russian population against the Kremlin. That doesn't seem to be happening.

by Anonymousreply 123June 22, 2022 1:38 PM

R120 You might be on to something. If this crisis continues to 2024 and Americans are paying $10 for gas, it won't bode well for Biden. Putin knows that. And his personal dislike of Biden (and especially Hillary) isn't new. It stems from their interactions during the Obama administration.

by Anonymousreply 124June 22, 2022 1:42 PM

R122 the only person who keeps bringing up CNN (and now tossing in Fox News, as you are now trying to appear less right wing) is you.

Also, just stop.

[quote]there will be no situation where Russia is completely defeated and forced to pay reparations to Ukraine.

No serious pundit is claiming that. No serious pundit thinks that.

You're whining about what some people have said on the news that is just random commentary and elevating that to claim that is what everyone, but you, apparently, thinks.

R123 I'm not sure what you think you're proving. Biden was trying to keep them from invading at all. At the time, serious punditry were saying they didn't think Ukraine could withstand it for very long, and Putin was clearly thinking it would go like Afghanistan. The Ukranians - especially Zelenskyy - proved them wrong by staying and fighting.

by Anonymousreply 125June 22, 2022 1:43 PM

R124 Gas prices are not high just because of Russia's war against Ukraine. It is contributing to thatme price, but there are many other global reasons and Biden has very little control over them. The US is a net exporter of oil.

by Anonymousreply 126June 22, 2022 1:45 PM

[quote]I'm guessing you think "Russia Today" is an unbiased news source, too.

I think RT and CNN are very similar. I'm not interested in either but I'd suggest you watch both if you have to then come to your own conclusions.

by Anonymousreply 127June 22, 2022 1:45 PM

Excuse me, but isn’t it Russia that refuses to negotiate for peace? They are fighting their asses off because these areas in the Donbas were already held by Russia prior to the invasion. The Russians are fighting like hell to keep territory that they already occupied before the war! So, you tell me, which side is on the ropes here?

We all know that if Ukraine manages to regain previously Russian held territory in the east, they will choke off any supplies heading to Luhansk and eventually Crimea. So which side is fighting for their existence. Hint: it’s not Ukraine.

This a replete disaster for Putin and Russia - to lose what it already had in peace with Ukraine - and now the disastrous inclusion of Finland and Sweden into NATO. Now it will have THREE! Not one bordering NATO countries that will shoot down any nukes from Russia upon its first second of being launched.

Please time travel to Guyana and drink the kool aid there…It gets hot in those parts.

by Anonymousreply 128June 22, 2022 1:49 PM

[quote](and now tossing in Fox News, as you are now trying to appear less right wing) is you.

Dude. I'm a fucking socialist. LOL.

by Anonymousreply 129June 22, 2022 1:50 PM

R122 your prognostications are what some are saying, this is not a unique opinion, and that you seem to think you have it all figured out by taking the most cynical and realpolitik approach, which is what Russia wants.

France and Germany have always been weasels about this. Macron is trying to be the both-sides negotiatior (but keeps looking ineffective) and Germany is all about realpolitik.

I really do not understand why you keep blathering about CNN. You're either completely disconnected from actual American politics and news and where people get their information from, or you are reading from a script that tells you to keep using certain buzzwords.

by Anonymousreply 130June 22, 2022 1:51 PM

R129 I don't give a shit what you claim to be, comrade. You're clearly pushing an agenda, and it lines up with a lot of what Russia is wanting and communicating.

by Anonymousreply 131June 22, 2022 1:53 PM

[quote]The Russians are fighting like hell to keep territory that they already occupied before the war!

Please read up on the situation because you seem to have been turned on to this after Russia invaded and not when it started in 2014. Most of the Donbas was held by Russian-speaking separatists who, in case you don't know, are UKRAINIAN. Of course they're supported by Moscow, but Russia wasn't officially in Ukraine until they invaded on February 24th.

by Anonymousreply 132June 22, 2022 1:56 PM

[quote] I don't give a shit what you claim to be, comrade.

"Communist" isn't a dirty word to me like it is to Americans. I've been voting for them in local elections for years. But you did call me "right-wing". That, I take as an insult.

by Anonymousreply 133June 22, 2022 1:59 PM

I blame the American education system for r128's simplistic interpretation of what's happening.

by Anonymousreply 134June 22, 2022 2:01 PM

R127 I'm fully aware of both of them, and if you think they are similar, you are clearly delusional or pushing propaganda, either way not the "free thinking socialist" you claim to be, and nothing you say should be taken seriously.

R132 Russia is not "winning" this war. It's been a disaster for them and it is not going to get better the longer it goes on.

You are also lying your ass off about Russia not being in the Donbas before this year. It is Russian propaganda to claim that it was held by "Russian speaking separatists" who just HAPPENED to be fully supported, supplied, and backed by Russia. It was Russia, it has always been Russia.

Russia has been at war with Ukraine since they invaded the Donbas in 2014.

Every time you write more, you are reinforcing that you are just repeating Russia's propaganda on this. Seriously. Pretend to be whatever you wish, but you aren't fooling anyone.

by Anonymousreply 135June 22, 2022 2:01 PM

Here’s how stupid and desperate Russia was to harvest goods from Crimea into Russia.

I mean, one NATO Air Force attack could obliterate this eyesore of a bridge. They should use this bridge as target oractice.

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by Anonymousreply 136June 22, 2022 2:02 PM

R134 I blame low intelligence and lack of perspective for your opinions.

by Anonymousreply 137June 22, 2022 2:03 PM

R136 Russia desperately wishes NATO would get involved. We don't need to be doing what they want.

by Anonymousreply 138June 22, 2022 2:04 PM

R132. I have always stayed abreast to Russia’s incursions into Ukraine.

More to the point and sticking FACTS and not emotions, didn’t Putin bus out thousands of the Pro-Russian speaking population OUT of Donbas and into the motherland BEFORE the start of the invasion??

I know all about it. I am also part Russian in America and I know how Putin had to beat feet out of the 2014 Sochi games when his puppet Ukrainian Presidential candidate loss the election to a Pro-west candidate.

Don’t try to school me.

p.s. Sochi was the best. In Russia’s former heyday, that is.

by Anonymousreply 139June 22, 2022 2:10 PM

[quote]It is Russian propaganda

A question for you, r135. Can you give examples of Western propaganda during this conflict or do you think such a thing doesn't exist? Do you believe every single word fed you by, yes, CNN?

Sir, you have no right to think the Russians are brainwashed.

by Anonymousreply 140June 22, 2022 2:14 PM

Modification to r135: Crimea and Donbas. The annexation of Crimea came first.

R139 I'm not trying to school you, you are incorrect so I realize it probably seems like schooling due to the annoyance at getting called out for spreading obvious Russian propaganda.

Also - Hahahaha. NO ONE hates America more than Anerican Russians. It's funny how Russians want to be ANYWHERE but Russia, yet they love to bash and complain wherever they end up.

by Anonymousreply 141June 22, 2022 2:14 PM

^This guy is too emotional to have a decent debate. I need some time out.

by Anonymousreply 142June 22, 2022 2:16 PM

R140 I don't play Whataboutisms, sorry.

Russians are most definitely brainwashed. For example, Putin's propaganda and appeals to patriotism have been successful and large numbers of the population now support the Russian invasion of Ukraine, ostensibly to "deNazify" it.

R142 it's not a debate when you are clearly just repeating the Russian stance on the war.

by Anonymousreply 143June 22, 2022 2:18 PM

R141. But I don’t hate Russia. In fact, I am a Russophile, so I’m dismayed by how they could allow a now crazed, brain diseased-ridden Putin to destroy the glory of Russia’s past along with stealing its future. Those were the words of a young Russian woman. Not mine.

by Anonymousreply 144June 22, 2022 2:22 PM

R144 I suggest you move there. You'll be happier there where there are less external sources of news and opinion to confuse you.

Putin is not an anomaly. Putin IS the Russian people. They are the world's biggest victims, they do not accept responsibility for their own shitty situation and country, and they put leaders in power that do this to them because they are bred for authoritarians, not democracy.

The Russians are told that everyone outside Russia is to blame for their problems, and they cling to that because to admit they are their own worst enemies would be damaging to their psyches. It's a convenient truth.

by Anonymousreply 145June 22, 2022 2:29 PM

Oh, and if Putin were assassinated, the person waiting to take his place is even worse. This isn't restricted to Putin.

by Anonymousreply 146June 22, 2022 2:30 PM

[quote]I’m dismayed by how they could allow a now crazed, brain diseased-ridden Putin

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a very smart man. Acknowledging that doesn't make one a lackey. But keep spewing those media talking points like they're gospel. It reflects well on your intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 147June 22, 2022 2:32 PM

Lots of uninformed rubes here. Keep watching CNN and eating Big Macs, dummies.

by Anonymousreply 148June 22, 2022 2:36 PM

[quote]p.s. Sochi was the best

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by Anonymousreply 149June 22, 2022 2:37 PM

[quote]Oh, and if Putin were assassinated, the person waiting to take his place is even worse. This isn't restricted to Putin.

THANK YOU! This is what I've been trying to tell these uneducated rubes for so long. There's especially one of his circle, ultra hawkish Sergey something (I forget the name) who's supposedly one of the front runners. If he takes over, God help us all.

by Anonymousreply 150June 22, 2022 2:37 PM

R148 your right-wing-fueled bsession with CNN is noted.

by Anonymousreply 151June 22, 2022 2:38 PM

R147 everything Putin says is phrased intelligently and makes logical sense. It’s totally weird when you’re a Westerner used to hearing hysterical propaganda from government leaders and media apparatchiks.

by Anonymousreply 152June 22, 2022 2:40 PM

R152 everything he says for Western consumption is extremely cynical and designed to get a reaction from right wingers and sympathizers, as well as stoke existing divisions in the US. His words are carefully chosen and just as political as any other politician.

by Anonymousreply 153June 22, 2022 2:42 PM

He'll be dead soon. But is he taking us with him?

by Anonymousreply 154June 22, 2022 2:47 PM

r149 Sochi had the best opening ceremony of any Olympics bar none. Still unsurpassed. Russian culture is very unique and breathtakingly beautiful.

The "War and Peace" part especially has remained imprinted in my mind. Absolutely stunning. For the Russophiles in here who want to relieve it and enjoy some Bolshoi Ballet thighs, that part starts at around 2:03:40. I literally cry (yes, Mary!) every time.

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by Anonymousreply 155June 22, 2022 2:55 PM

R155 that may be true, but reading the name “Adelina Sotnikova” is sufficient to derail any positive feelings those opening ceremonies could have otherwise engendered.

by Anonymousreply 156June 22, 2022 3:00 PM

Sergey Lavrov? Minister of Defense.

by Anonymousreply 157June 22, 2022 3:29 PM

The media have said throughout that Ukraine's been winning ("See, the Russians pulled back from Kiev! And Ukraine's taken ground back near Kharkov!") but now the media are saying it's not true.

Is Ukraine winning or not?

by Anonymousreply 158June 22, 2022 3:34 PM

R158 that was just propaganda to convince Americans to be ok with sending so much money there. “They’re about to win, they just need 50 billion dollars. This isn’t another 20 year commitment like Afghanistan.”

by Anonymousreply 159June 22, 2022 3:36 PM

Lots of uninformed rubes here. Keep watching CNN/Fox News/MSNBC/BBC News/AFP/DW and eating Big Macs, dummies.

R151, better?

by Anonymousreply 161June 22, 2022 3:41 PM

R155 that's nice because from what I heard the rest of the Olympics was problematic and sucked.

by Anonymousreply 162June 22, 2022 3:41 PM

It’s the elderly Russian citizens that will stay by Putin and dig their heels in. NOT the younger generation of Russians. You see, it is they (the young) that marched in the streets, not those old fart Communist Russian sympathizers that pride themselves of enduring hard times behind the iron curtain. And indeed, it is a false pride that you stood in line for bread and lived through food rations. So what if it?

However, what is the use of this resiliency when their own kids are yearning for Western technology and crave for McDonalds? They are fleeing from Russia. Russia has a population shortage. So if the young people are seeking asylum elsewhere and young Russian men are dying in the 100s everyday (redux of WWII), then how does this strengthen Russia?

by Anonymousreply 163June 22, 2022 3:42 PM

The Russians are gonna be murdered by the 100s everyday by the sissies and trannies who now serve in Western armies. Oh, my sides…

by Anonymousreply 164June 22, 2022 3:45 PM

The Russians are gonna be murdered by the 100s everyday by weapons of war that can mow down the Amazon rainforest if it wishes to. Get it right.

by Anonymousreply 165June 22, 2022 3:48 PM

The best analysis of what's going on the ground if from the Military Summary channel on YouTube. It's objective and condemns any violence. It's by a Belarussian, who I think is a military strategy student. He notes his sources and actually shows on satellite maps (3D maps of the terrain) what's going on, and what each side may be planning.

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by Anonymousreply 166June 22, 2022 3:48 PM

R165 they have no such weapons of their own in Russia to use against us, after all. They’ll happily die because it’s the right thing to do and the arc of history bends toward justice.

by Anonymousreply 167June 22, 2022 3:50 PM

Mearsheimer at the Schuman Center last week.

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by Anonymousreply 168June 22, 2022 3:51 PM

The really sick thing is that quite a few posters here evidently *want* Putin to nuke the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 169June 22, 2022 3:54 PM

[quote]Sergey Lavrov? Minister of Defense

No. Lavrov is a pragmatist. His name is Sergei Naryshkin. A psycho who reportedly thinks Putin is too soft.

by Anonymousreply 170June 22, 2022 4:05 PM

Justice? Are you deranged? I suppose you believe all of the Holocaust victims happily died to prove how bad the Nazis were.

You’re a sick fuck!

by Anonymousreply 171June 22, 2022 4:06 PM

R171, it’s just a fascist troll taking advantage of the fact that DL’s blocking functionality doesn’t work most of the time.

by Anonymousreply 172June 22, 2022 4:08 PM

R171 the point I was trying to make was that westerners seem to think Russia will be easily defeated because the west has nukes. Russia has nukes too.

by Anonymousreply 173June 22, 2022 4:15 PM

So does Pakistan and India. They have nukes too. However, you don’t see them rampaging their neighbors to make a land grab and exploit their resources. So what is your point?

by Anonymousreply 174June 22, 2022 4:18 PM

NATO should not have moved to Russia's borders. That was definitely a provocation. The US would never allow Russia to deploy missiles to Cuba or anywhere in the hemisphere.

by Anonymousreply 175June 22, 2022 4:28 PM

R175 correct

by Anonymousreply 176June 22, 2022 4:30 PM

R175. You’ve missed the point entirely. Ukraine ASKED to join NATO. NATO did not recruit them.

Get it right, okay?

by Anonymousreply 177June 22, 2022 4:33 PM

NATO has been on Russia’s borders since it was founded. Check a map, you fascist assclown.

by Anonymousreply 178June 22, 2022 4:37 PM

R163 wrong, the propaganda is working on the younger generation too. The government has even changed classroom curriculums and textbooks to remove any references to Ukraine and they are teaching classes on the war designed to push their chosen narrative, for this specific purpose.

by Anonymousreply 179June 22, 2022 4:52 PM

[quote]You’ve missed the point entirely. Ukraine ASKED to join NATO. NATO did not recruit them. Get it right, okay?

You think Cuba didn't asked to be protected in the '60s when USSR deployed the missiles that freaked America out?

by Anonymousreply 180June 22, 2022 4:55 PM

Every NATO member joined voluntarily. No Warsaw Pact member joined voluntarily.

by Anonymousreply 181June 22, 2022 4:57 PM

R170 Lavrov is an evil sociopath who lies constantly, like everyone in the Russian government.

Remember that newscaster who held up the sign that said "they are lying to you" and then posted her diatribe about it, then later was arrested, but then freed with a light charge?

And then offered a lucrative newscasting job in a German media company? And then was allowed by the Russian government to leave and take that job in Germany?

Most recently she was pushing for the same thing the trolls in this thread are, to have Ukraine agree to give up territory in exchange for halting the war, and other Russian talking points. It was all a scam to help Russia get their message out.

Russia does stuff like that constantly. There's an old adage, "it isn't true until Russia denies it", referencing how much they lie and mislead and manipulate. Gullible and seemingly non-gullible alike.

by Anonymousreply 182June 22, 2022 4:58 PM

Shit for brains r179.

The younger generation of Russians laugh out loud that the Kremlin has changed its classroom curriculums to remove Ukraine from history books. They see right through it. There are many Russian vloggers that are recording this as we speak…and they are younger, tech experts that are earning a living by doing so on YouTube and Patreon.

Go back to your cave and get it right!

by Anonymousreply 183June 22, 2022 5:01 PM

Dear “Americans” who want to leave us undefended against Putin:

Fuck you.


Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, etc.

by Anonymousreply 184June 22, 2022 5:01 PM

R173 no reasonable person thinks Russia would be easily defeated, but they would be defeated if the other countries decided to invade them. Howver they would do their nihilistic best to destroy the rest of the world as punishment, because that is who they are.

Of course this is academic because no one wants or is planning to invade Russia. Most people would prefer not to think or care about Russia. Russia likes to think its importance on the world stage is much greater than it is.

by Anonymousreply 185June 22, 2022 5:02 PM

Funny to see so many supposed “conservatives” here regurgitating Stalinist propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 186June 22, 2022 5:05 PM

R183 really, which ones?

You're just talking out of your ass.

While it's true that the most support comes from the older generation, there is not an overwhelming number of the younger generation who don't support the war.

And yes, Russians are fully aware that their government lies to them - they are all deeply cynical. It doesn't mean the propaganda does not work. The goal is to get them to disbelieve everything, so that they don't trust anything or anyone, and therefore give up trying to resist because it's all the same.

You can see this attitude on this very thread. I'm not sure what your agenda is in defending the Russian people like they're innocent in all this, but you're not doing the best job when your argument is just shrieking and random meaningless insults.

by Anonymousreply 187June 22, 2022 5:06 PM

Just take a quick peak at many younger Russians (age 20s) that have made a lucrative living by posting what life in Russia today. They are well aware of the invasion (not a “military operation”), that Putin is carrying out…and they are bracing themselves for its repercussions.

I can’t fathom why you are in such denial? I suppose you believe that the 1000s of protestors against the invasion and were arrested and jailed was a figment if my imagination. That scores of Russian citizens have fled to Turkey and elsewhere - Why, they are a figment of my imagination?

You are in deep denial. Please wake up and get it right.

by Anonymousreply 188June 22, 2022 5:28 PM

Bulgaria's government collapses. Macron lost his majority the other day.

Is Boris next?

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by Anonymousreply 189June 22, 2022 6:03 PM

Bulgaria's government was pro-EU. Huh.

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by Anonymousreply 190June 22, 2022 6:04 PM

Concerns about the long-term effects of Europe's hostility towards Russia. Huh.

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by Anonymousreply 191June 22, 2022 6:07 PM

Fuck the Russians and fuck Mother Russia right in her filthy cunt.

by Anonymousreply 192June 22, 2022 6:08 PM

[quote] It is becoming more and more urgently necessary to achieve a stable cease-fire in Ukraine, leading to a lasting peace; and unfortunately, the initiative for this will probably have to come from Washington. The Europeans are too divided among themselves and too subservient to the United States to adopt any effective independent strategy for peace. With the East Europeans opposed to any compromise, the European Union is paralyzed.

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by Anonymousreply 194June 22, 2022 6:17 PM

Unbelievable stupidity on display at r188 for all to see. He surveys Russians by sampling English-speaking YouTubers, a demographic with a strong affinity for and extremely eager to engage with the West. Do you really think they're representative of Russian youth? They don't even crack 0.01%.

by Anonymousreply 195June 23, 2022 12:57 AM

R180. You have a point. However, the US did not invade Cuba as a result. We formed a blockade. Can you imagine how the US coukd have easily decimated Cuba?

False equivalency. Get it right.

by Anonymousreply 196June 23, 2022 1:38 AM

These vloggers interview random citizens. They make documentaries that examine if our sanctions are having any effect and they try to remain neutral. It can be informative and not all of them are young. In fact there’s a wide spectrum of age. Some are in their 60s. They can earn a living by doing so since Putin’s recent sickness has caused many to lose their jobs. They stand no benefit it being partial, so man viewers around the world make requests and respond to their vlogs.

Unlike you, Boris, who watch only Russian regulated media and state propaganda.

Time to get your tea. Get it right.

by Anonymousreply 197June 23, 2022 1:48 AM

[quote]Colonel Vadim Zimin, who carried Putin's nuclear codes, found seriously wounded at his home, about 4 hrs ago.

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by Anonymousreply 198June 23, 2022 5:18 AM

R198 he was no longer in the military and no longer carrying the case at the time he was killed, but nice try.

by Anonymousreply 199June 23, 2022 5:49 AM

R188 why are you so bent on assuring the rest of us that some younger Russians in big cities are against the war? We know there were several thousand youths (out of a population almost as large as the US) arrested at the start of the war for protesting. They are a very small percentage. There are some social media people who have pivoted to being against the war on their American social media accounts (accessed via VPN because the Russian government banned Instagram and most other American apps). They are a tiny number in a sea of people who are all for the war.

Russia has since moved to squelch all of this and has massively increased propaganda at all levels. There is a fairly small percentage of the population that is against the war, skewing younger. But not in any sort of numbers that indicate the "entire next generation of Russians isn't for the war" or that indicate the younger population is overwhelmingly against it. Because it isn't. So holding this minority percentage of a larger demographic group of younger Russians up as "proof" of what you claim is, frankly, laughable.

What I am still wondering is why you are -so concerned- about making this case, and blaming all of Russia's ills on old people. You seem very young.

I'll tell you a semi-related story about Russian attitudes. I have a professor friend at a very large, popular university in the US, often used by well-off Russians to send their youth abroad.

He says that it's common knowledge among the staff that the Russian students specifically tend to cheat outrageously, on large and small things, and have no qualms or embarrassment about getting caught. That's just how it is in Russia - the rules are for suckers. Everything is a scheme to get an advantage, because in their minds if they don't do it first, someone else will gain advantage over them. They are incredibly selfish and self-focused - there is no larger sense of community at play.

by Anonymousreply 200June 23, 2022 6:03 AM

Russia's population is less than half the US's

by Anonymousreply 201June 23, 2022 6:41 AM

Hyperbolize and make sweeping, simplistic replies. That’s what r200. does.

You must work for RT.

by Anonymousreply 202June 23, 2022 7:29 AM

You sound very proud of being selfish. Perhaps you don’t follow rules, but you WILL bow down to Putin, correct? Yes, I hope he makes a rule about not going if the course and his flock of Russian followers will be happy falling off the cliff. This makes little sense from a Western POV. It’s more akin to a cult following…much like Dump and his MAGATs.

I always believed that the Russian people were resilient, I never thought they were just stupid.

by Anonymousreply 203June 23, 2022 7:37 AM

Hold me NATO. I'm scared.

by Anonymousreply 204June 23, 2022 9:11 AM

[quote]Lavrov is an evil sociopath who lies constantly, like everyone in the Russian government.

Here's Lavrov manhandling the BBC in the first Western interview of a high-profile Russian official since the war.

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by Anonymousreply 205June 23, 2022 11:33 AM

Here's a video explaining how the Kaliningrad exclave came to be.

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by Anonymousreply 206June 23, 2022 11:57 AM

R202 nice try. I notice you didn't refute anything that was stated, because you are, and have been, talking out of your ass. Go back to watching your "Russian vloggers" who are Very Against this war and pretending they speak for the entire younger generation of Russians.

by Anonymousreply 207June 23, 2022 7:27 PM

R201 still almost 150 million people. Several thousand being arrested at protests is admirable, but it is not a sign that the younger generation of Russians is predominantly against the war.

by Anonymousreply 208June 23, 2022 7:29 PM

[quote] I'm 52, I lived through 1983

What’s so special about 1983? I was in the USSR at the time on a tourist visa. Didn’t feel particularly terrified.

by Anonymousreply 209June 23, 2022 7:31 PM

1983 is when the Soviet Union shot down Korean Air flight 007.

by Anonymousreply 210June 23, 2022 7:33 PM

R205 so you're linking a clip from an interview posted by a Twitter account that is obviously run by a Russian sympathizer at best, and propagandist at worst? I see.

All I see is Russian Whataboutism and lying in that clip.

Lavrov also repeatedly claims there are no Russian troops in the Donbas, the conflict in eastern Ukraine is a civil war, not a Russian invasion, and the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in July 2014 had nothing to do with Russian forces. All of these are bold-face lies.

by Anonymousreply 211June 23, 2022 7:33 PM

More on Russia's habitual lying:

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by Anonymousreply 212June 23, 2022 7:37 PM

And here's a more recent example.

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by Anonymousreply 213June 23, 2022 7:38 PM

r207. How you can argue that? If Putin will arrest/fine any person caught saying “Invasion” instead of “Special Operation”, then what answer will they make in any public forum? Just because they state that this Invasion was right or necessary, doesn’t mean they feel the same privately.

My friend, we’ll just have to sit back and wait to see which of us is correct. It will be apparent in approx. a year.

One determining factor will arise after the midterms. If the Dems manage to win, then, your butt will be grass, comrade. It’s the Republican Party that loves Trump. If Dems win a big majority, it will prove to be curtains for Russia.

Mind you, you ourself

by Anonymousreply 214June 24, 2022 1:20 AM

Americans who support Russia are mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 215June 24, 2022 2:08 AM

Lots of cope here.

by Anonymousreply 216June 24, 2022 2:14 AM

r213 I'm a Guardian reader and even I know their coverage is slanted, which they don't deny.

by Anonymousreply 218June 25, 2022 5:45 AM

"Russia will nuke American cities if Ukraine hits Russian soil with our weapons ."

Gee, what happened to all that Russian optimism about how the invasion was going to be a piece of cake?

I guess it's still not going well for them.


by Anonymousreply 219June 25, 2022 6:26 AM

Russia will win but will blame the US for the destruction of Ukrainian cities & countryside. “Look what America & NATO did. We had it all planned. Simple military operation to reclaim Russian territory. People were going to greet us as liberators. Few weeks of bang-bang at the most, then wonderful peace for Russia.

But nooooo….. US sticks nose in all because we infiltrate US Air Force and get American to set off hand grenade in ammo dump at Syrian air base. So our good friend Donald says, “You can have air base Vlad, no big deal.” Very nice of him.

Ukraine was supposed to go like that. We go in, Donald says, “Here. Take. It’s Russian anyway. Now I go play. But things didn’t work out like we planned on Jan 6. Our agents promised tens of thousands of revolutionaries would storm US Capitol, but was a bunch of ex-cops, wannabe cops with their mommies. Oh brother. Now we gotta use a lot of weapons. This is all Hillary and Biden’s fault.”

by Anonymousreply 220June 25, 2022 3:14 PM
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