Judy Garland in Blackface... TF??

That "show", Babes on Broadway, was on last night on TCM. It was a sea of blackface in one of the musical numbers.

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Judy was one of the most talented singers ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

I give Judy a pass for this. After all, it is reported that she was a fan of the BBC!

It was over 80 fucking years ago.

I fucking hate racism. I hate the idiots who complain about woke as the right-wing actually destroys the country, but if you're one of these morons who is too brain dead to accept times were in fact different and horrible behavior was considered acceptable, then you're too stupid to live. You just are. You don't have demonize every fucking person from the past for certain behavior that was just considered normal.

She was auditioning for The Wiz when Miss Ross pushed her off the stage

WOW WHAT A SCOOP, DIPSHIT OP!!!!!

[quote] she was a fan of the BBC!

On the radio I assume.

@r5, Outrage is a drug that addicts need a steady supply of to function. Trying to cancel a dead movie star for something they did 80 years ago is just par for the course 🙄

She looks like Buckwheat's sister.

"... but if you're one of these morons who is too brain dead to accept times were in fact different and horrible behavior was considered acceptable, then you're too stupid to live. You just are. You don't have demonize every fucking person from the past for certain behavior that was just considered normal"... couldn't agree with you more!!🙃

R11, now you're being ridiculous. Stalin's behavior was not considered acceptable. Don't compare black face 80 years ago to genocide.

I like blue face.

It was unfortunately the product of its time. In fairness, many stars of that time did express regret and many were pro-integration and Civil Rights. Minstrelsy and blackface caricatures were just so normalized in Western society that many people didn't stop to think about its damaging effects. By the later 1940s, the practice was stopped due to the rise of the Civil Rights movement and the power of the NAACP. By the 1950s, it was considered completely outdated and many of the cartoons, films and skits involving blackfare or darky characters were either edited out or banned. Why do think Warner Bros, MGM and Disney tried so hard to bury a lot of this from their film library? Well, at least WB and MGM admit it and eventually released them. Disney tries to pretend their racist movies never existed.

[quote] By the 1950s, it was considered completely outdated and many of the cartoons, films and skits involving blackfare or darky characters were either edited out or banned.

It was?

[quote By the 1950s, it was considered completely outdated and many of the cartoons, films and skits involving blackfare or darky characters were either edited out or banned.

It was?

[quote] By the 1950s, it was considered completely outdated and many of the cartoons, films and skits involving blackfare or darky characters were either edited out or banned.

It was?

R15 There were some holdovers yes but it was nowhere near as common as the 1910s to 1940s. By the 1960s due to Civil Rights gaining real traction and real racial tensions, it would have been career suicide for anyone. In Europe, Latin America and Asia, blackface caricatures still exist though.

Garland loved the gays. Especially, in the later years when they were her bread and butter. When she was on contract to Louie, she danced to his tune, usually on drugs. It was a dance we all did, some better than others. But, in spite of all the shit that was shoveled her way, she had that spark that touched our souls. That, nobody can deny... white face, black face, yellow face, or any other color face. A star was born with Judy.

OP is just trying to stir up shit. Please ignore the troll.

Judy was still a teen too. I wouldn't blame her. Like I said, it was just a normalized form of entertainment back then. It's embarrassing now. Many white Hollywood stars were liberals even back then, many were also gay/bi, were Jewish, were "ethnic whites" and there's a lot of pictures of them laughing and interacting with Black celebs. It was the executives that were the racist and misogynistic conservatives that felt these racist caricatures would be funny, they also encouraged many stars to be closeted or change their names and get plastic surgery. Many Black stars then always butted heads with executives over their representation. Dorothy Dandridge hated always being typecast as the exotic seductress or tragic mulatta. Paul Robeson and Josephine Baker found better work in Europe.

Disney reissued “Fantasia” in 1956 and 1964, both times still containing the little pickaninny centaurette, called “Sunflower,” who’s the servant to all the coed white girl centaurettes, some of whom give her dirty looks, considered humorous by the makers.

But, by the 1970 reissue, with its “psychedelic” ad campaign, Sunflower’s presence had been chopped out of the film.

Look at the people outraged. No one is outraged over Judy’s blackface, it’s just shocking for people who didn’t know.

Defending racism is always stupid. “Oh it was normal back then!” It’s normal now, just look at this board!

BTW: the “Uncensored’Fantasia,’” with all the Sunflower scenes, as well as some white girl centaurette nudity, is easily accessible on YouTube.

Look at the buzzwords these racists whites use: “Cancel!” “Outrage”! Blah blah blah. No one was doing anything of that. OP literally posted a photo. And the white people came running to exaggerate and gaslight.

^ Oh, shut up, troll

R23 Not defending it. Just saying people were so ignorant back then. Minstrelsy was a big part of popular entertainment for the working class since the 1800s. It bleed into vaudeville and early film and later Hollywood. It was propaganda as well because it helped reinforce prejudices. Remember also America was very segregated too. Blacks weren't considered equals by law until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Many of the white audiences weren't stopping to think, "this is fucked. Up" I'm not at all a cultural relativist. It was wrong back then but it was normalized within the culture that most Americans who were working class and many who weren't educated or interacted with black people didn't understand. The educated white population and studio execs did know better but they didn't care and only cared about a profit. It took even longer to stop Asian and Native caricatures which continued even into the 21st century.

Disney also showed Song of the South in theatres until the 1970s. They stopped due to increasing public pressure. They never released it on VHS, DVD or streaming. Though the Zip-a-dee-doo-da song is still played at Disney events, the film excerpts were released on Disney Sing-a-long VHS tapes and Splash Mountain which features Brer Rabbit and Bear still existed at Disneyland until very recently.

Honestly Disney should just release it because they still have Peter Pan, Dumbo, Aladdin and Pocahontas for public viewing. Anyone can Google the racist Mickey Mouse and Silly Symphonies cartoons and they're all on YouTube. I just find it disrespectful to James Baskett to not acknowledge this film because he added dimension to a caricature.

[quote]She looks like Buckwheat's sister.

Creamawheat

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still can't believe this☹

In less than ten years time society will treat photos of people wearing MAGA hats the same way as they treat people with old blackface photos.

Bonus points if they are holding a Confederate flag in the photo.

Nothing's changed.

[quote]Creamawheat

Cream ... of SCHWEAHSCHT

r5 did you think you made a salient point with this bullshit? It was also considered 'normal' for Nazis to send people to concentration camps. You are the worst kind of apologist.

[quote] “Oh it was normal back then!”

R23 And it's still normal. Especially among "progressives"!

Black people in white face?? Racists!!

[quote]Judy was one of the most talented singers ever.

One of the most talented PERFORMERS ever.

Her voice is nice enough and she knew how to perform and "sell" a song, one of the greats at that, but let's not pretend the sound of her voice is one of the greatest in the era in which she was famous.

I'm not trying to be an asshole it's just that having a truly great voice and having a pleasant voice but being a master at using it are very different things. Judy's voice was nice, Barbra's voice is great and they both knew how to use what they had for maximum effect.

R35 Understanding historical context is not apologetics. It's ahistorical to pretend most white Americans were not racist and mistrelsy was not a common form of entertainment since the 1830s. The US was and is a conservative society and was among the last Western countries to even outlaw slavery.

History has shown that life was never fair and not everyone got along. We moved on from it and grown and it's dumb to be outraged by something that was normal then.

The Holocaust was a massive genocide of millions of Jews and other marginalized groups. It was not approved by most societies at that time and caused an outrage worldwide. It's not even comparable to blackface. Antisemitism was common in European society but in the 20th century, something on the scale of Holocaust was horrific and caused a massive scare and backlash that resulted in action taken against Germany. Bad comparison

[Quote] At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

But black people? "They can choke," she said.

I think she said "They can shoke."

Boysch, Boysch! Mama made a mishtake.

[quote] The Holocaust was a massive genocide of millions of Jews and other marginalized groups.

The Holocaust was the systematic extermination of the Jews of Europe by the Nazis and their enablers. "Other marginalized groups" were a by-product but not the focus of the Nazis. Jews were.

[quote] It was not approved by most societies at that time and caused an outrage worldwide.

It was approved by every society who refused to help Jews escape and enthusiastically hunted them down and turned them over to the Nazis for extermination.

R43 is correct and I'm glad he caught R39's little slip. No idea if it was intentional, but there's a concerted effort the past few years to erase Jews as the main victims in the Holocaust, and it seems to be mainly coming from the far left.

[quote]but there's a concerted effort the past few years to erase Jews as the main victims in the Holocaust, and it seems to be mainly coming from the far left

Sure, Jan.

[quote]She looks like Buckwheat's sister.

Actually, "Buckwheat" actually began as a female character and was originally played by Stymie Beard's little sister Carlena Beard who appeared in a couple of the "Our Gang" shorts as this character, who morphed into a boy played by Billy Thomas who we know as Buckwheat.

Minstrel shows were so popular for so long that one of the very first singing and performing group of emancipated slaves started out as a Minstrel show! They quickly came to see this was not going to work, mainly because that market was already glutted!

They revamped and became the world-renowned Fisk Jubilee Singers, a group still active today.

perhaps they should've had her do the "Off to see the Wizard" scene in blackface... or better yet, stuck a little minstrel sequence into "A Star is Born"🤔

I believe blackface died out in Hollywood by the time of Joan Crawford in Torch Song but didn't it continue as a joke until fairly recently? The minstrel number in White Christmas does not use blackface so by then people were realizing it was a very bad idea. Though serious brownface continued into the 80s.

[quote]Disney also showed Song of the South in theatres until the 1970s. They stopped due to increasing public pressure. They never released it on VHS, DVD or streaming.

R28 It was released on VHS in the UK and other countries.

[quote]Judy was one of the most talented singers ever.

I agree.

[quote]One of the most talented PERFORMERS ever. Her voice is nice enough and she knew how to perform and "sell" a song, one of the greats at that, but let's not pretend the sound of her voice is one of the greatest in the era in which she was famous.

I disagree.

I listen to her for her voice. I don't even know how you would be able to tell someone is a great "performer" on a record. And many people love to listen to just audio of Judy, because they love her voice and think it is one of the greatest ever. Of course you're entitled to your minority opinion.

[Quote] let's not pretend the sound of her voice is one of the greatest in the era in which she was famous.

Have Yourself a Shitty Little Christmas!

Judy was gangsta like that, rumor has it she shot Tupac.

Grace Slick's version:

I think many of you know Judy wanted to do something when the KKK bombed a black church in Birmingham, AL and 4 little girls were killed. She held a press conference with Carolyn Jones and June Allyson, as well as Liza and June's daughter (Pam?) to draw attention to and protest the bombing, and the racist acts going on in the south at the time in resposnse to Civil Rights.

Another photo from the same event.

"A Star is Born"🤣🤣

[quote] TF??

OP, what do you mean?

Do you mean Theaflavin?

Different times.

we ain't in Kansas no mo😆

Oh when will the 1930s stop being racist?

Do better 1930s. Do better.

That's a fabulous picture of Judy, Liza, Carolyn and the others. Never saw that one or heard the story before. Quite touching.

More black face hilarity from 1986!

R3

Ha! Ha! I'll say

wonder if she, in her wildest dreams, could ever imagine that Diana Ross would star in The Wiz🤔

When will finally be able to stop racism in the 1940s from having occurred????

Cancel that bitch!!! -Twitterati

Judy can never be canceled.

So move along.

"but there's a concerted effort the past few years to erase Jews as the main victims in the Holocaust, and it seems to be mainly coming from the far left."

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, Trumpy.

Racist cunts. Off with their heads. In the casket.

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R13 is hilarious!

We better not tell OP about the finale of "Babes on Broadway"...an elaborate Minstrel show!