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The Charisma of Jeffrey Dahmer

I just watched the famous interview with Jeffrey Dahmer. Not only is he attractive and charismatic - he is also well-spoken, oddly relatable and even endearing. It's easy to write him off as a psychopath because we need the people who do monstrous things to be monsters. But what if he was what he looks like - a normal man who did unspeakable things? Isn't that even scarier?

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by Anonymousreply 145June 27, 2022 5:45 AM

Charisma is a trait of psychopathy, so making people think he was normal is something he was relatively good at.

by Anonymousreply 1June 2, 2022 5:31 AM

Yes, it's horrible to watch that sick, chilling monster. The evil in his pinhead, that hideous face. Just think of the things he did. Over and over again. But Inside Edition paid him well, and when he got on Fox News his sexual crime spree really took off. He paid just ONE of his victims 9.5 MILLION. What did he do to have to pay that woman 9.5 million for their silence. What a perverted freak.

by Anonymousreply 2June 2, 2022 5:32 AM

What are you talking about, R2?!

by Anonymousreply 3June 2, 2022 5:35 AM

R2 I'm not following your statements. Jeffrey had a female victim and paid her 9.5 million after she survived and to keep her silent about it? Fox News?

by Anonymousreply 4June 2, 2022 5:35 AM

nope. He drugged his victims and got a pass from cops when a victim tried to get away from him.

by Anonymousreply 5June 2, 2022 5:37 AM

He was a monster who assaulted many, many women.

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by Anonymousreply 6June 2, 2022 5:38 AM

That demented slimy sack of shit.

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by Anonymousreply 7June 2, 2022 5:40 AM

I heart Scott Thompson. He does an excellent series of impressions, and one of them is you-know-who.

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by Anonymousreply 8June 2, 2022 5:43 AM

R6, you're either violently drunk, or confusing him with someone. Jeffrey Dahmer was gay and only killed men and boys.

by Anonymousreply 9June 2, 2022 5:43 AM

He was lucky Fox pays so well. Selling lies to idiots was easy. Paying off his sexual assault victims cost him millions. And then there are the private vacations he took to Thailand every summer to have sex with children while still working at Fox News. Sick conservative values.

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by Anonymousreply 10June 2, 2022 5:45 AM

Alright, enough with this nonsense. Block the Bill O'Reilly troll.

by Anonymousreply 11June 2, 2022 5:47 AM

I blocked him and it turns out the Bill O'Reilly troll is also the Harry & Meghan supertroll. Jeffrey Dahmer would be jealous of our psychopaths here at good old datalounge...

by Anonymousreply 12June 2, 2022 5:50 AM

He was always getting dumped so he killed them so they could not leave. Charismatic is wrong word. Nerd might be more accurate. His father admitted to having violent thoughts too.

by Anonymousreply 13June 2, 2022 5:55 AM

Has anyone read his father's book? How is it?

by Anonymousreply 14June 2, 2022 5:57 AM

the killer clown also got his victims very drunk or high and slipped handcuffs on while they were nodding out to further incapacitate them. This has nothing to do with charisma.

by Anonymousreply 15June 2, 2022 6:08 AM

Yeah but Dahmer convinced the cops that his escaped victim, who had a hole drilled into his skull, was his "boyfriend" and ended up getting him back, so charisma (and homophobia) definitely had something to do with it.

by Anonymousreply 16June 2, 2022 6:14 AM

What I mean is, he comes across as a pleasant person. Self-deprecating and intelligent. Nothing monstrous or scary about him. I admit I would have liked him and maybe even been attracted to him if I had met him and didn't know who he was.

by Anonymousreply 17June 2, 2022 6:14 AM

I've seen that flat, monotone, unsmiling type of personality so many times. Is it Aspie?

by Anonymousreply 18June 2, 2022 6:18 AM

or more likely poor, indifferent policing R16

by Anonymousreply 19June 2, 2022 6:31 AM

Surprised to see these earrings for sale on Amazon. (Popped up when I did an image search for Dahmer.)

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by Anonymousreply 20June 2, 2022 7:00 AM

I think Dahmer’s flat affect shows a lack of empathy [r18]. But monotone-type speech can indicate depersonalization, (due to ptsd).

by Anonymousreply 21June 2, 2022 7:01 AM

strange idolization

by Anonymousreply 22June 2, 2022 7:01 AM

No, sorry, he seems off. OP is proof that most gay men will fuck anything

by Anonymousreply 23June 2, 2022 7:57 AM

Having watched OPs video, listening to Dahmer say he wanted to inhibit and control them, my instant thought was that he had been rejected in life and possibly neglected as a child. Upon looking up his wiki, yes, his parents- mainly his mother- neglected his needs as an infant. No excuse for his crimes, but there's usually a cause.

by Anonymousreply 24June 2, 2022 8:03 AM

rejection and neglect from his mother, internalized homophobia, rejection by other gays, and psychopathy

by Anonymousreply 25June 2, 2022 8:14 AM

He's always been my dreamdate. I've wanted Jeff in my quite very deeply.

by Anonymousreply 26June 2, 2022 8:18 AM

^ another DL drunk.

by Anonymousreply 27June 2, 2022 8:19 AM

OP's chilling perception of Dahmer as "well-spoken, oddly relatable and even endearing"


by Anonymousreply 28June 2, 2022 8:32 AM

[quote] "Not only is he attractive..."

Jeff Dahmer hit is peak physical attractiveness in the Fall of 1981, after he was discharged from the military due to his drinking. His parents arranged for him to live with his grandmother in Milwaukee, and he arrived still appearing lithe and lean. There's a particular photo of him from that time, and for the life of me, I can't find it. It may have been exclusively featured in a documentary, now that I think about it. But I saw said documentary on Youtube.

[quote] "Yeah but Dahmer convinced the cops that his escaped victim, who had a hole drilled into his skull, was his "boyfriend" and ended up getting him back, so charisma (and homophobia) definitely had something to do with it."

On top of all of that, the kid (James Doxtator) was FOURTEEN. His youngest victim, as I recall.

Since I'm praising a photo I can't currently find, here's a timeline of his crimes for anyone interested.

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by Anonymousreply 29June 2, 2022 8:44 AM

Is this the photo, R29?

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by Anonymousreply 30June 2, 2022 9:43 AM

[quote]But what if he was what he looks like - a normal man who did unspeakable things? Isn't that even scarier?

Why yes it is.

by Anonymousreply 31June 2, 2022 10:24 AM

There is no such thing as "normal".

Any human physically capable of killing someone can likely do so if presented with the right reasons ("right" being relative to their values and personality).

Some people just have very weird hobbies and fetishes, and can train themselves out of feeling any remorse about indulging in them (gambling and drug addicts, sex addicts, spending all the family money on toy trains, etc).

Very many serial killers have wives, families and jobs. They are normal as far as society goes.

If the weirdos of society appeared visibly "off", we would have no problem finding and sequestering them from the rest of us for our safety. Sadly, real people who are eccentric are much more likely to be stigmatized than the truly dangerous among us.

by Anonymousreply 32June 2, 2022 1:00 PM

Jeffrey Dahmer did HORRIBLE things yet he does not seem like as much of a creep as John Wayne Gacy

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by Anonymousreply 33June 2, 2022 1:13 PM

yes r33, but you're gay, and Gacy was ugly and fat, and Dahmer was, if you believe those on this thread, attractive.

by Anonymousreply 34June 2, 2022 1:39 PM

R34- He was good looking- Jeffrey Dahmer

You don't think he was good looking?

by Anonymousreply 35June 2, 2022 1:42 PM

Well, clowns are just creepy.

by Anonymousreply 36June 2, 2022 1:45 PM

Yes i suppose if i separate his crimes and personality from his appearance, he is aesthetically appealing.

by Anonymousreply 37June 2, 2022 1:47 PM

R23? Most MEN will fuck anything.

There - fixed that for ya.

by Anonymousreply 38June 2, 2022 1:48 PM

If i met Dahmer at a club and he presented himself as he does in OPs video and I was unaware of his crimes, I still wouldn't go home with him.

by Anonymousreply 39June 2, 2022 1:51 PM

R39 because of how he looks or his general air of creepiness?

by Anonymousreply 40June 2, 2022 2:00 PM

general air of creepiness

by Anonymousreply 41June 2, 2022 2:07 PM

John Wayne Gacy seems like the type to be a member of a hate group like The Klu Klux Klan

by Anonymousreply 42June 2, 2022 2:10 PM

OP is one of DL's worst trolls. Fuck that shit.

by Anonymousreply 43June 2, 2022 2:21 PM

I understand he’s a monster but I find he’s very charming and endearing seeming when interviewed too. I don’t find other killers like ale like this.

by Anonymousreply 44June 2, 2022 2:22 PM

R32 there is normal. Serial killers usually have brains that are broken. If you could become serial killer by watching violent porn, there would be more serial killers.

by Anonymousreply 45June 2, 2022 2:50 PM

Dahmer wasn't good looking for crissakes. He was once a bland white trash twink with weird lips and nothing special nor nothing horrible. Then within a few years he was, creepy, dead eyed, trash piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 46June 2, 2022 3:07 PM

You people are deluding yourselves thinking you're noticing his weirdness or would have noticed if you'd met him. No you wouldn't. He comes across as a perfectly ordinary, even charming, person. You would have followed him to his home. Many did.

by Anonymousreply 47June 2, 2022 3:22 PM

He didn't have charisma, he was manipulative.

by Anonymousreply 48June 2, 2022 3:23 PM

Charisma had absolutely nothing to do with Dahmer's strange early encounters with law enforcement; that was entirely about the homophobia, racism and utter stupidity of the police.

by Anonymousreply 49June 2, 2022 3:28 PM

It is not, R30. The one I'm referring to is one of hin in his mid-late twenties. That one is a school photo from a few years earlier.

by Anonymousreply 50June 2, 2022 7:49 PM

[quote] Yeah but Dahmer convinced the cops that his escaped victim, who had a hole drilled into his skull, was his "boyfriend" and ended up getting him back, so charisma (and homophobia) definitely had something to do with it.

The escaped victim was naked, Laotian, and 14 years old. Dahmer was an adult, white male. Race definitely played a part in returning this naked and injured boy to Dahmer's house. Also, police probably considered it "homosexual drama."

by Anonymousreply 51June 2, 2022 7:56 PM

People say Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy were just as charismatic

by Anonymousreply 52June 2, 2022 8:34 PM

Nope. Charismatic = getting away with murder?

by Anonymousreply 53June 2, 2022 8:36 PM

Most of these famous serious killers were unusually bright. It’s okay to admit they were charismatic and interesting while acknowledging their heinous crimes

by Anonymousreply 54June 2, 2022 8:41 PM

R53, obviously being charismatic is a big reason they could get away with murder--the charisma attracted victims and allowed people to brush away any questions.

by Anonymousreply 55June 2, 2022 8:46 PM

Some IQ claims about serial killers. Dahmer a genius. Really?

For comparison purposes, however, keep in mind that JanBot's IQ has been estimated at under 70.

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by Anonymousreply 56June 2, 2022 8:49 PM

Dahmers dad was a chemist I don’t have a problem believing he was smart. He was obviously a psycho and I wouldn’t want to meet him but if I didn’t know anything about the guy I’d find him charming.

by Anonymousreply 57June 2, 2022 9:21 PM

He was not charismatic at all. Op is delusional.

by Anonymousreply 58June 2, 2022 9:34 PM

Next up from OP: The Elegance of Pol Pot.

by Anonymousreply 59June 2, 2022 10:37 PM

Jeff was a hot top. He could get it, honey

by Anonymousreply 60June 3, 2022 9:23 PM

What a shame you never met him.

by Anonymousreply 61June 3, 2022 10:16 PM

You're a bigger psychopath and stalker than him, R61. Stay away from me.

by Anonymousreply 62June 3, 2022 10:37 PM

Poor Defuckto. Poor poor Defuckto.

by Anonymousreply 63June 3, 2022 10:41 PM

It's easy to write him off as a psychopath OP. Because he raped, killed and ate people.

by Anonymousreply 64June 3, 2022 10:46 PM

I've met several, normal presenting, people before where my brain just tells me to get away from them - it's like a primal kind of response. It turned out both times that they were very bad, violent and cruel people, but seemed outwardly totally fine. I'm sure that there were plenty of people who met Dahmer and trusted their gut feeling and stayed away.

You don't pick up those vibes unless you are there in person. Chances are your attraction to Dahmer would not exist if you had actually met him instead of watching clips online.

by Anonymousreply 65June 4, 2022 8:13 AM

I didn't think he was good looking or charismatic at all. He just seemed super-creepy.

by Anonymousreply 66June 4, 2022 8:17 AM

Psychopaths are often charming and charismatic, part of what makes them so very dangerous.

Here's the widely used 20 point diagnostic Psychopathy Check List, created by forensic psychologist Robert Hare:

Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm

Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth

Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

Item 4: Pathological lying

Item 5: Conning/manipulative

Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt

Item 7: Shallow affect

Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy

Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle

Item 10: Poor behavioral controls

Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior

Item 12: Early behavior problems

Item 13: Lack of realistic long-term goals

Item 14: Impulsivity

Item 15: Irresponsibility

Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships

Item 18: Juvenile delinquency

Item 19: Revocation of conditional release

Item 20: Criminal versatility

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by Anonymousreply 67June 4, 2022 8:35 AM

I'm currently reading the biography of Dahmer's father, Lionel. It's a fascinating read. Lionel, who seems like an utterly normal, cerebral person - a chemist by trade - describes the mental illness of his first wife, Jeffrey's mother. She fell pregnant with him only two months after their wedding and immediately went off the rails, often drinking as much as 26 calming pills a day. In my opinion, there is no way this didn't harm the baby somehow. She was also violent, sometimes attacking her husband with a knife and making stabbing motions.

The child was fascinated with bones and, after a hernia surgery at age 4, became withdrawn, unhappy and deeply asocial - something unusual for a child that age. The father clearly blames himself and tries to look for answers about what happened later in every little incident of his son's childhood. It's a sad book but it offers unique insight in the making of a serial killer.

JD clearly has many of the traits described in the checklist published above and the commenter who said that a personal meeting would trigger an instinctive response is right. I've had such a response to people who later proved to be really dangerous individuals. Pity I don't have that instinct for every bad person that comes in my life. JD's apparent normalcy scares me because I fear I may let someone into my life who shouldn't be there, because he just looked so normal. I wish there was a way to know bad people right away.

by Anonymousreply 68June 4, 2022 10:33 AM

Go to Youtube and look up idubbbz, that man has serial killer eyes.

by Anonymousreply 69June 4, 2022 11:02 AM

Charles Manson also had charisma; probably Hitler did too. Ted Bundy definitely charmed his victims. Horrible in retrospect but they had to have something to entice all their victims (in Manson and Hitler’s cases encouraging others to commit the atrocities for them.)

One of the crimes shows (maybe Law & Order SVU or Criminal Minds) had NPH as a lonely young man who killed women and kept body parts so “he could keep them with him.” Supposedly it had been written as a Jeffrey Dahmer type gay killer but they chickened out and made his character straight. Odd to say but you did have sympathy for his character.

Chilling what normal seeming people are actually like sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 70June 4, 2022 11:26 AM

In no way am I dismissing his crimes, but Dahmer does seem genuinely mentally ill and is acutely aware of it, not so much evil as really ill and disturbed. If that makes sense?

by Anonymousreply 71June 4, 2022 11:45 AM

[quote]She fell pregnant

Which explains a lot.

by Anonymousreply 72June 4, 2022 11:48 AM

R60 - “ Jeff was a hot top. He could get it, honey—De-Facto (Total Bottom)

Yes, Dahmer was hot, and I’m pretty sure, De-Fungus -Toe, he would never fuck your sloppy, gaping-hole. Most likely, after a brief conversation, he’d have sufficient, end your misery, and just kill you.

by Anonymousreply 73June 4, 2022 1:34 PM

Dahmer could have been charismatic but as you got to know him you would notice he was not normal and reject him.

by Anonymousreply 74June 5, 2022 3:49 AM

Yes. For instance when he told you to "help yourself to anything in the frigdge. I'm going to jump into the shower to freshen up before I fuck you to death."

by Anonymousreply 75June 5, 2022 10:12 AM

Good lord, imagine opening that fridge for a soda!!!

by Anonymousreply 76June 5, 2022 10:16 AM

I’ve always had sympathy for Aileen Wournos after learning about her awful childhood.

by Anonymousreply 77June 5, 2022 11:22 AM

r77 yes, but there is a double standard around crimes and gender.

People sympathize with women criminals and demonize male felons. A woman has an abusive childhood and kills people, poor her. A man has an abusive childhood and kills people, he's still a monster.

A man kills all his kids then himself, he's a monster. A woman kills all her children and then herself, she couldn't cope.

by Anonymousreply 78June 5, 2022 11:50 AM

The incel has stated it's boundaries.

by Anonymousreply 79June 5, 2022 3:33 PM

I read his father's book and several other books on Dahmer several summers ago. As someone pointed about above, the book by his father blames a lot of Jeffrey's strangeness and later perversion on how traumatized he was by the operation he had to undergo for a hernia at a very young age, when he didn't understand what was happening. One can assume the adults in his life couldn't or didn't explain what was happening or why. As a result, Jeffrey grew up thinking as a child that he was tortured and sexually experimented upon, including cut on in private areas by multiple adults when he was completely helpless and terrified and his parents would not protect him. As a result of that trauma and confusion, he had a very mixed up view of the body, of power, of cutting flesh, and society. He likely also experienced a confusion between pleasure and pain, as which often happens to very traumatized children and sometimes results in serial killers like the Gray Man, who also captured and ate and tortured victims and confused pleasure with pain.

by Anonymousreply 80June 5, 2022 8:57 PM

Dahmer is attractive in certain photos where he is tanned and thin and his hair is bleached by the sun. However, I've never found him remotely attractive when he's on film talking. He lacks charisma in my opinion. His only "charisma" was being a young, white, tall, blue eyed, blond, fit, articulate and strong male. I guess that passes for charisma in the minds of many, but for me I associate charisma with charm.

by Anonymousreply 81June 5, 2022 9:00 PM

"You would have followed him to his home. Many did."

We are forgetting that in the posted interview he says he told some of these men/boys that he would pay them to come home with him. Offering money offered does not equate w/ charisma/good looks.

by Anonymousreply 82June 5, 2022 9:30 PM

^ delete offered; oh, Dear.

by Anonymousreply 83June 5, 2022 9:32 PM

Ted Bundy was the one with the most Charisma. He was really intelligent and personable and he had mentors that were promoting him to politics.

by Anonymousreply 84June 5, 2022 9:36 PM

R84 Yes. I agree! Ted I would have followed home! He was my type, except for the killing, lying, torture, home invasion, rape, etc. Otherwise, he was perfect.

by Anonymousreply 85June 5, 2022 9:38 PM

[quote]People sympathize with women criminals and demonize male felons.

Hi, welcome to Datalounge! Would you like a guided tour during your first visit, or would you prefer to take a look around by yourself?


by Anonymousreply 86June 5, 2022 9:42 PM

[quote] His only "charisma" was being a young, white, tall, blue eyed, blond, fit, articulate and strong male.

This is the Datalounge. That is more than enough.

by Anonymousreply 87June 5, 2022 9:51 PM

No, it's DeFacto.

by Anonymousreply 88June 5, 2022 9:57 PM

Are you saying he was a snow queen’s dream?

by Anonymousreply 89June 5, 2022 9:59 PM

Ted would have gone far in life if he had not been a psychopath killer. Scary to think that he might have gone into politics if he hadn't been caught.

by Anonymousreply 90June 5, 2022 10:56 PM

Some of us rapists have done quite well.

by Anonymousreply 91June 5, 2022 11:00 PM

He was an alcoholic (had been that way since he was a teen) and drank heavily during his crimes. He was black out drunk during his first murder.

He definitely was not charismatic — everyone who knew him recalled that he was socially awkward and strange.

But he was mentally sane and fairly intelligent, so I guess he could come across as normal enough in a controlled setting like a TV interview.

by Anonymousreply 92June 5, 2022 11:10 PM

He got what he deserved.

by Anonymousreply 93June 6, 2022 8:13 AM

R67. That list would remarkably describe every straight male!

They are, in fact, primarily predators and parasites. Did you know that it is the male sperm that allows an embryo to cause a “parasitic” pregnancy to occur in the first place? That it forces a woman’s body to allow what is essentially a welcome parasite to feed off of her body That’s why trying to fuse two ova to completely form a baby would not allow this complete set of chromosomes to result in a pregnancy?

by Anonymousreply 94June 6, 2022 9:33 AM

Meant zygote, not embryo.

by Anonymousreply 95June 6, 2022 11:51 AM

I really think he might have been autistic. He was so afraid of making conversation that he preferred to drug them and kill them before sex.

But he was definitely cute.

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by Anonymousreply 96June 23, 2022 8:33 AM

This guy gives me the worst chills. I watched that movie "My Friend, Dahmer" and in that you get completely creeped out by him, but seeing his childhood can also give you a misplaced sense of feeling a bit sorry for him too. But when I watched it, I didn't actually know what he'd done, just that he was a serial killer. So after the movie I read up on his crimes and I honestly just wanted to bleach my brain. Horrible, just horrible.

by Anonymousreply 97June 23, 2022 8:39 AM

I do feel sorry for him. I actually think it was his dad who did the crimes and Jeff was just procuring the victims and drugging them to suck them off.

Daddy dearest had all the personality traits of a narcissistic psychopath and hated gays with a passion (was a fundamentalist Christian.)

Cops have admitted that all we know about the crimes comes from Jeff's confession (which could have been pre-prepared) and from Lionel the Dad.

Also JD was fiercely protective of his father, always quick to say that his family had nothing to do with this and that it was all his fault. No, I don't think he did those horrors. He's not the personality type AT ALL.

by Anonymousreply 98June 23, 2022 8:47 AM

Interesting theory, R98, I've never heard that before (but as I said, I'm not really that knowledgeable about the Dahmer case, and it makes me too sad to read up more on it. The boy who escaped and got taken back - gives me nightmares).

by Anonymousreply 99June 23, 2022 8:55 AM

Well, at least they were drugged up and didn't suffer. The scary stuff happened post mortem only.

by Anonymousreply 100June 23, 2022 9:06 AM

r74 then you should review the interviews with his childhood friends. Many of them got flak for not making him out to be a born monster straight out of a slasher thriller film. . .

They would speak on his charisma as well but would describe it more as being low key and enhanced natural ability to lie so convincingly enough that he convinced his teachers the alcohol he was drinking in class was cold medication.

Which was largely believed because he was so dull and being dull, it was believed he was so much of a goody two shoes that he would never do such a thing. . . that would earn him both bullies and friends.

He seems more comparable to Andrew Cunanan, than others that he frequently gets compared to, in the way that he was a very a ho-hum boring and average person that fantasized they would be more but was incapable of achieving it.. and having no strong identity of their own.

Outside of murder, no one would be telling their stories. . . they wouldn't even qualify as a supporting character in somebody else's.

and that was the disconnect - they wre superificial without the popularity.

These friends would go through changes, connect with other people, make plans, have goals and move on . . . they lacked the ability or interest to connect with people in this way and would stay roughly the same... only getting older.

depersonalization seems to be the subject matter here.

depersonalization-derealization disorder look it up.

not saying it was but sociopathy / psychopathy are just empty buzzwords, too fictionalized for the average dl frau.

by Anonymousreply 101June 23, 2022 9:10 AM

R96 my neighbor is smart but has brain of ten year old. Took me two years to notice. He got angry one time and he dropped his facade. I guess they learn to pretend but this guy deep down believes his thoughts and emotions are right. He would not be able to fake in a long-term relationship.

by Anonymousreply 102June 23, 2022 10:34 AM

He had a tight bod and some nice pecs for a raging alcoholic.

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by Anonymousreply 103June 23, 2022 10:49 AM

Lol! I tried googling "JD naked" because of R103's post (yes, I think he's hot, so what) and I stumbled upon some of his letters to "fans".

In most of them he is mooching for some money (apparently he was very poor in prison, earning only $25 per month as a cleaner). But in the ones to young men, he is mooching for explicit photos!

Here's one naughty Valentine's card that he send to a young male writer (who later published a book about his correspondence with Dahmer, Bundy and Gacy). There is also a letter with the card. I will post it below.

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by Anonymousreply 104June 23, 2022 5:31 PM

Here's what he wrote on the card:

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by Anonymousreply 105June 23, 2022 5:32 PM

And here's the letter. Enjoy his atrocious grammar and spelling.

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by Anonymousreply 106June 23, 2022 5:33 PM

This is another letter to a female friend, which I found rather adorable, especially the postscriptum.

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by Anonymousreply 107June 23, 2022 5:35 PM

"It's easy to write him off as a psychopath because we need the people who do monstrous things to be monsters."

He was a monster. Well spoken, sure, but well spoken monster.

by Anonymousreply 108June 23, 2022 7:45 PM

Drilling holes in young men's heads and pouring in acid in an attempt to make them sex zombies is just normal gay male behavior.

by Anonymousreply 109June 23, 2022 8:01 PM

[quote]Has anyone read his father's book? How is it?

Yes, I read it. I remember him being insightful about the effects of both his and his wife's mental health issues on Jeffrey. He also gives more background as to how Jeffrey was always a bit "off" without excusing him from responsibility for his crimes. The dad blames himself for not seeing the true extent of Jeffrey's weirdness sooner.

by Anonymousreply 110June 24, 2022 4:10 AM

Based on photos, there was something off with Jeff in his childhood. I'd say, pretty confidently, that it was autism. Odd body postures, unsmiling, closed face, absent eyes - all very uncommon for a small child, even in a bad household.

by Anonymousreply 111June 24, 2022 9:52 AM

As far as being off or flaming gay, the media ,police shrinks etc never mention stuff like that.

by Anonymousreply 112June 24, 2022 11:12 AM

Attractive? Since when?

by Anonymousreply 113June 24, 2022 11:39 AM

He was, R113. He let himself go in prison but earlier he was hot.

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by Anonymousreply 114June 24, 2022 8:47 PM

R101 You make a very interesting comparison between Andrew Cunanan and Jeffrey Dahmer. I've never really connected them, though both of them preyed on gay males. Even so, they both seem so very different to me. For instance, Andrew Cunanan was very concerned with fame, wealth, and status. He chose wealthy powerful victims and wanted to be part of their world. Dahmer, as far as I recall, was not into fame or status or wealth, especially when it came to choosing victims. Dahmer chose young, poor victims who were typically from non-white, poor families. Andrew Cunanan chose older, wealthy males with high social status.

by Anonymousreply 115June 25, 2022 3:31 PM

I had a female friend who had a crush on him. She was a University of Chicago student given to saying outrageous things.

by Anonymousreply 116June 25, 2022 3:38 PM

I just don't understand why he couldn't fulfill his dearest wish - to have a relationship. He was young, good-looking, A TOP (lol), nice body, pleasant personality. He said that it was because he liked "light sex" (oral, frottage) and didn't like to bottom. From several threads here I know he's far from the only gay man with preference for sex without penetration. And he was a hot blond top. Truly a mystery to me!! What would you say, DL psychologists?

by Anonymousreply 117June 25, 2022 10:48 PM

R117 Truly, I think he did not really want a relationship or understand what a relationship is. For him, he objectified any man he desired to the point that he saw the man as an object he wanted to completely possess (as in own forever and control). He didn't want the man to speak or have free choice or to be able to leave. That was his dearest wish--a sex zombie, not a relationship.

by Anonymousreply 118June 25, 2022 11:52 PM

R118, he himself stated many times that he wanted a real loving relationship with a man. But, in his own words, all they wanted were one-night stands and always left after the sex was over.

He had severe abandonment issues after his parents neglected him and his mother abandoned him twice - once in his childhood, she left him by the road, and once when he was 18 she took his brother and left him alone with no money and gas. Watch the trial, it's all explained there, it's on YouTube.

He killed all of them because he wanted to keep them forever with him and they wanted to leave. He actually spent a whole weekend with one of his last victims, a Puerto Rican from Chicago, making love, going shopping and coking together, and he said that he was extatic that they were doing relationshipy things. But at the end of the weekend the guy said that he had to leave for work the next day... and Dahmer killed him too.

by Anonymousreply 119June 26, 2022 12:02 AM

^*cooking, not coking, lol

by Anonymousreply 120June 26, 2022 12:03 AM

R119 you should know better than to believe an absolute sociopath and psychopath's self reports

Everything Dahmer ever said was intended to garner sympathy.

If he wanted a real relationship, there are plenty of people willing to do that. Either for free or as part of a kept arrangement.

If he had wanted a sexual slave, he could have had a willing one. They are out there waiting for an invitation.

by Anonymousreply 121June 26, 2022 12:31 AM

R119 is scary

by Anonymousreply 122June 26, 2022 12:45 AM

A perfect example of what conservatism does to a conflicted gay young man.

by Anonymousreply 123June 26, 2022 12:49 AM

Sooooo R119 . . . does a "relationship" mean that if someone has to "leave" to go to work that person needs to be killed with a hole drilled in the head and acid poured into the hole?

by Anonymousreply 124June 26, 2022 12:56 AM

All the psychiatrists who assessed him agreed that he was NOT a psychopath. Schizoid, possibly borderline, and with psychotic tendencies and paraphilia (necrophilia). That were the diagnoses. But glad you know better than the experts who actually talked to Dahmer, R121.

by Anonymousreply 125June 26, 2022 1:04 AM

Psychopaths inflict torture and death on people for kicks, or being less lethally inclined, abuse.

by Anonymousreply 126June 26, 2022 1:06 AM

I'm not sure what I liked more about the wonderfully charismatic Jeffrey. The severed heads in the refrigerator, the hand drawn plans for the death shrine made of human body parts, or the decomposing bodies in the drum in the bedroom next to the blood-spattered wall. What a charmer! See these pics of his stylish apartment, tasty, I mean, tasteful friends!

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by Anonymousreply 127June 26, 2022 1:07 AM

I remember seeing Dahmer interviewed, and I could see why people would feel sorry for this guy, with his self-depracation, his quiet manner, boyish looks. Then you suddenly realize what a monster he was, and what his victims must have felt in their last moments. Gacy never stirred any sympathy, with his obese appearance and bizarre behavior in interviews. All he really had going for him was his friendship with Rosalyn Carter.

by Anonymousreply 128June 26, 2022 1:10 AM

R128 Gacy also had a KFC resturant gifted to him by his father-in-law. He gave free KFC to local government officials to help him rise in social status. He knew how to use KFC to bribe people, so he had that. He also had the clown costume he dressed in for charity events. KFC and clown makeup helped him get away with a lot!

by Anonymousreply 129June 26, 2022 1:13 AM

R126, that's a really simplistic view that fits neither the case, nor the science of the matter. "He killed people - baaad" is not an interesting or insightful argument at all. So maybe just stop acting like some fucking authority, mkay?

by Anonymousreply 130June 26, 2022 1:15 AM

LMAO, KFC bribery for the win!

(That was his last meal too, if I remember correctly)

by Anonymousreply 131June 26, 2022 1:16 AM

Dahmer predominantly lured and attacked male victims. Investigators later discovered Polaroids Dahmer took as he subdued and killed his victims.

The Polaroids also depict Dahmer engaging in sex acts with the bodies. Although the courts later deemed Dahmer a necrophiliac, he was found to be legally sane because he also had intercourse with living men.

by Anonymousreply 132June 26, 2022 1:23 AM

Police later described Dahmer as emotionless when the perpetrator relayed the details of his crimes. According to a Milwaukee Deputy Chief, Dahmer "talks about killing people just as if it's like pouring a glass of water."

by Anonymousreply 133June 26, 2022 1:23 AM

In his 60-hour confession, Dahmer revealed that his ultimate plan was to have a lover in a "zombie state." To achieve this, he drugged and mutilated his victims while they were still alive. Doctors corroborated his reasoning, stating that Dahmer's intent was "to satisfy his sexual need for a not fully cooperative partner."

by Anonymousreply 134June 26, 2022 1:24 AM

Ooh, Jeff had this poster on his wall. Went really well with the fish tank, the blood soaked mattress from the bed, and the polaroid's of his victims and of him have sex with the corpses. Charisma!

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by Anonymousreply 135June 26, 2022 1:24 AM

R130 what is your authoritative definition of "psychopathy".

Because he wasn't simply a necrophile. Jack the Ripper (whoever he was) was a necrophile and didn't truly engage in making his victims suffer. He was interested in playing with their parts, necessitating they be dead. Jack the ripper was likely no psychopath.

Jeffrey was. And you fell for it.

by Anonymousreply 136June 26, 2022 1:24 AM

Pamela Bass, who lived across the hall from Dahmer, described the time she assisted her neighbor in cleaning his apartment to avoid eviction. There had been numerous complaints about the smell coming from 213. Bass maintained that Dahmer attributed the odor to an unplugged freezer, which contained assorted meats his grandmother had given him.

In actuality, he stored dismembered body parts in the small standup unit. Dahmer planned to save the pieces for his altar and to thaw and cook on occasion.

by Anonymousreply 137June 26, 2022 1:25 AM

R136, it's not MY authoritative definition, it's the professional PSYCHIATRISTS' definition. Why do you play obtuse? If someone was fooled, it must have been those psychiatrists because all four of them agreed that he was not a psychopath. Of course, Dr. Anonymous from the Datalounge knows so much better... He's nobody's fool, yo! Lol...

by Anonymousreply 138June 26, 2022 1:39 AM

R117 he was brain damaged. Read the letters he wrote. His had the mind of a child.

by Anonymousreply 139June 26, 2022 3:09 PM

He has the mind of a typical shallow fuckboi, according to these letters

by Anonymousreply 140June 27, 2022 12:01 AM

He should have been executed. You should have capital punishment in every state, America.

by Anonymousreply 141June 27, 2022 4:55 AM

Didn't the prisoners do the right thing by executing him on their own?

by Anonymousreply 142June 27, 2022 4:57 AM

I'm not sure. If he was killed for his crimes, yes; if he was killed because he was gay, then no. Lots of haters in prison.

by Anonymousreply 143June 27, 2022 5:02 AM

Common thread I noticed from all serial killer stories is that, when they were small children, they either tortured animals or had a morbid curiosity with dead animals.

That is the tell-tale sign that they lack basic empathy.

If you're a parent and your small child is enjoying torturing animals, sorry to say, but you have a future psycho/sociopath on your hands, and should get the child committed ASAP. They might be doomed to a life in psychiatric care, but at least they won't grow up and be free to go out into world a murder people.

by Anonymousreply 144June 27, 2022 5:41 AM

They chained his body down while doing his autopsy. The pathologist and the morgue crew were terrified of him. That is a far more natural reaction to Dahmer than a lot of the replies in this thread. Cripes.

by Anonymousreply 145June 27, 2022 5:45 AM
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