Let's talk about reparations!

We've had reparations for several decades. It's called welfare.

On a state by state basis, why would California do reparations for blacks? The blacks can go to the southern states for reparations. California should be doing it for the natives who were there first. Most Tribes in California don't have casinos so that can't be used as a reparation avenue.

And as for R1s comment, most people in the welfare state's clutches are white. Minorities may make an outsized share considering their populations, but they aren't the primary population served.

R2,

[quote]Minorities may make an outsized share considering their populations

That's correct. That and affirmative action are both forms of reparations.

There will never be a time when black people in America receive a $20k to $3million dollar check in the mail. The people who tell you this are grifters and you should not trust them to tell the truth.

All Black students or descendants of slaves? I don’t think reparations should be given to the US-born child of Nigerian nationals, etc. Reparations should be for those who are descended from slaves and victims of Jim Crow laws.

Good, we need to start moving the money around. Elon Musk, you're first. Put a billion on the table, bitch, and then get the fuck out. Go twat at somebody, fool!

That ought to be simple to figure out, R4

[quote] This should go over well with Fox News...

Not to mention all those millions of voting Ellis Island descendants

Sorry but they owe, R7. Look how privileged they are.

Let's not and say we did. LA never had any slaves or plantations.

Ugh I'm tired of this stuff. How about we return land to Native Americans? Where are their reparations?

Stop pretending that Native Americans were peaceful. They did plenty of murdering and raping. The casinos and riverboats are reparations plenty.

There are no angels, this is a childish belief.

This is a losing topic for Dems. It's suicide, ut they've already surrendered to the radical part of the party, so let them die.

At this point, happy to see republicans win elections.

If it's getting to this level of pandering, every group for themselves, then I don't care about reparations or abortion. I'll be voting republican.

Yeah yeah, I know, after women, "they'll come for gays". I'll care about that when we cross that bridge. Better to stop the current insanity from the Dems.

Native Americans creating their own revenue streams (casinos) to invest in their reservations is NOT reparations. It's not reparations if they have to invest their own labor and run it. That's business.

Reparations can work and have worked. One roadblock is the constant stalling and whining by white people. See above comments 🙄

"I was a liberal Democrat till they started taking the claims of black people seriously..."

Blacks gloss over that it was other blacks that were enslaving and selling them to whitey.

This is not going to go well with the Native and Mexicans. California democrats would be suicidal to do it and Karen Bass is shitting bricks this came out before the elections.

Not that i disagree with it, but sure way to lose the elections - because the Dems do nothing politically but this sort of thing.

This is perfect way to get hardworking Latinos voting Republican. All over the nation.

This is literally creating a racial divide that will not solve race relations in our country which is still very much a melting pot.

Latinos and Asians who had nothing to do with the past oppression of blacks will not take this lying down, it’s downright insulting and democrats need to focus on what we need now like tackling inflation, climate change and jobs instead of pandering to trans and specific racial politics.

39% of state residents are Latino, 35% are white, 15% are Asian American or Pacific Islander, 5% are Black, 4% are multiracial, and fewer than 1% are Native American or Alaska Natives, according to the 2020 Census.

You know an important election is coming up when we start seeing threads about reparations

Reparations for Gays and Lesbians makes sense Straight white Christians took our futures by legislating Sodomy Statutes and Morality Clauses.

40 Quaker (Oatmeal boxes) and a stool

The Republicans probably organized this to come up now to push independents over to them. Smart liberals ignore and disown this divisive bullshit.

620,00o dead on both sides: that is the answer to talk of reparations.

My ancestors came from Ireland and fought for the Union (three great great grandfathers).

Reparations is a ridiculous issue.

Provide educational grants, small business grants, and other forms of aid to give the Black community a leg up, but...

Reparations do not work!

America was built on white criminality. And used African Americans as free labor. I don't see why so called white liberals get so worked up about this?

Just moving on and forgetting about the past isn't an option for everyone.

Not wanting to fix the past and the horrible things that we're done to Black people and continue to on an institutional level, will be one of the main reasons this country will eventually have a mass date with gasoline and matches in the future.

This country has been a Giant shithole from it founding.

Visit Ethiopia, which has never been colonized, and see what they’ll do to their own. Power corrupts all.

I'm fine with large reparations for those actually enslaved. But then, I'm not a crazy ultra-leftist.

I agree with R28, Reparations in the form of educational and small business grants as well as reduced interest rates for buying property. Not only were Blacks unable to buy homes outside of Black neighborhoods until the Fair Housing laws of the 1960s, they were often still victims of unscrupulous lending practices. Even after that, the "red-lining" tricks that bigots like trump used still existed.

They have also been shut out of the job market intentionally, well into the late 20th century and beyond. Companies like Standard Oil and many others simply did not hire people of color as a matter of policy. Educational and training grants could help rectify that.

I suppose it would involve DNA tests to show that people descended from slaves, although more recent immigrants from Africa have experienced discriminatory housing and employment policies (as did immigrants from all over). It's a complicated issue, but I do think that a leg up through housing, employment, and education could help.

That said, we all see everyday in our lives and in the media that many, many Black Americans have thrived and succeeded in spite of discrimination. True equality for all people to live a happy, productive, and dignified life should be our national goal.

But we must still acknowledge the past and rectify it. America's prosperity didn't come out of thin air. I was built literally on the backs of African Americans and that's a debt that remains unpaid.

Actual reparations will NEVER happen!!!! It’s impossible to do. It is an issue pushed by the right to divide the left. There is no feasible way to accomplish. Start some grant programs, invest in black communities, but this is not happening.

R33, then do the work and trace where the wealth generated by slaves went, and take it back from them. The actual families and entities that profited from it. What the government took in as taxes is lost.

This stuff is annoying, and makes me not want to vote for anyone, or maybe vote third party.

We’re a smidgeon away from these people making calls to “kill whitey” and the left being like “well slavery was real bad…”

R37 You mean just like how whitey have been killing Black people for centuries free of consequences?

It's sounds like guilt & paranoia to me.

R30 Ethiopia was colonized by Italy.

R39 incorrect, Italy occupied the country for about a year. There’s a difference.

I’d love to know who that task force was. A panel of professors from Howard University? What’re the standards of admission for Howard? You can’t have committed more than three felonies by the age of 18? And how do you become a professor there? Not kill anyone during undergrad?

Just because a black “academic” with braids says something, it doesn’t make it true or that we should listen. There is no obligation of objectivity. There is no way of knowing what growing up in a deeply dysfunctional household where whitey was to blame for everything hasn’t influenced their ways in any way.

This is nothing more than elevated version of a black man being arrested and screaming about how “y’all just trying to keep a black man down!”

It’s ghetto entitlement through and through, and most responsible adults read about it and roll their eyes. You can through your credibility behind it if you must, but do so at your own peril.

R40 five years. I'm not in this argument. I just googled for fun. It was five years.

Definitely need to include all Chinese and Japanese in this payout too becasue of the enslaved Chinese and Japanese..

Yes Fox news should pay reparations for the damage it does everyday. How about everything the own should be taken today.

Also, what is this allowing prisoners to vote bullshit? If you’re in prison, you’ve forfeited your right to vote

R42 depends how you look at it

[quote] You mean just like how whitey have been killing Black people for centuries free of consequences?

Yeah totally free of consequnces

You just know those reparations will be put to good use. College educations, down payment on a mortgage, health insurance, savings. Yeah, that's what it'll be used for.

They slipped in the “prisoners being allowed to vote” part as part of reparations for blacks because they (racist-ly) assume that all blacks vote Democrat while also acknowledging the high number of blacks that are incarcerated who would now be able to vote (for a democrat, presumably for them). But if the tables were turned and blacks started voting for republicans in prison, I guarantee you that would be the end of voting rights for prisoners and criminals.

In other words, this reparation package doesn’t actually DO anything to improve life for blacks people, it just seems set up to try and keep democrats in power

I don’t think it’s a good idea. I’d much rather see the problems being addressed: police brutality, institutional racism, urban blight etc.

R50 no it’s setup to keep a divide in the Democratic Party and setup the Republicans to look sane

[quote]You can through your credibility behind it if you must,

Oh, dear!

[quote]Ethiopia was colonized by Italy.

You mean our very own Darfur Orphan could be Italian?

I like that the point of the reparations documents is to gain racial equity, which is supposed to be the promise of America.

It's not just throwing money at people but opening up opportunities like college and voting rights.

[quote] I don’t think it’s a good idea. I’d much rather see the problems being addressed: police brutality, institutional racism, urban blight etc.

Perhaps if you read the article and the document, you will see that much of that is being addressed. It's just calling it "reparations" that's triggering

[quote] In other words, this reparation package doesn’t actually DO anything to improve life for blacks people

Sure it does. Free college would DO alot.

Honky just send the money our way and we'll take care of the rest.

[quote] This is literally creating a racial divide that will not solve race relations in our country which is still very much a melting pot.

So what do you suggest? It's been over 200 years and nothing else seems to work

[quote] Free college would DO alot.

Oh, DEAR!

Everything in America is determined by money...Absolutely everything.

When one says in the US, there's no money available for that, it means they really don't want to fix anything.

[quote] Latinos and Asians who had nothing to do with the past oppression of blacks will not take this lying down, it’s downright insulting and democrats need to focus on what we need now like tackling inflation, climate change and jobs instead of pandering to trans and specific racial politics.

When you buy an old leaky house, you didn't cause the leak but you have to fix t; everyone in the house has to pitch in.

[quote] Latinos and Asians who had nothing to do with the past oppression of blacks will not take this lying down, it’s downright insulting and democrats need to focus on what we need now like tackling inflation, climate change and jobs instead of pandering to trans and specific racial politics.

This will be the right's ploy, as always--pit minorities against each other.

[quote] Latinos and Asians who had nothing to do with the past oppression of blacks

Latinos and Asians had nothing to do with why the Middle East hates us, but they pay for our wars

The reparations committee. Suddenly the picture sharpens into focus.

Ween dat check cummin?

R65, they all seem like upright Americans. Good for them for coming up with this document

r66 = DuBose Heyward

Reparations only if they compensate former slave owners plus interest for their confiscated property.

Leaning into reparations is a death knell to us. It's hogwash on every level.

Let's fight systemic racism as it is now.

Just got a newsletter from my House Representative, a Caribbean-American woman. One item was about available college scholarships, first requirement for eligibility: must be a person of color. I'm done.

[quote]Reparations can work and have worked.

When and where?

[quote] Reparations only if they compensate former slave owners plus interest for their confiscated property.

This is what Haiti was forced to give to France for three centuries. The money could have added $100 billion to Haiti's economy instead

Whites here are just reacting to the word "reparations" and not actually reading the article

We all know this is the only way to sate the Black communities demands. They don't want lip service or monuments, they want cold hard cash. Screw MLK Day, gimme my dollas, I needs them new Nikes.....What would life have been like for them back in their homelands? Eating grubs instead of pimping and whoring.

R75, this is their homeland

How come billionaires get all the money they want in tax breaks and direct government funding and we don't bat an eye?

I assume Muriel is entertaining gentleman callers

[quote] This is what Haiti was forced to give to France for three centuries. The money could have added $100 billion to Haiti's economy instead

Given to France or bundled in chests and thrown into the ocean that money was never going to serve Haiti. Anything in the treasury would have been grabbed by the former slaves pretending to be French Emperors and nobility. Then by the line of dictators down to Papa Doc and the narco-crooks running Haiti today.

At 𝑚𝑜𝑠𝑡 perhaps Haiti would have a couple more ruined palaces for tourists to visit.

R75, by now we know nothing will. Black victimization/oppression is an existentially crucial narrative for blacks (and progressive whites) to avoid the real issues within the black community and the repercussions of these issues on all the other ethnic groups in the US. There is only one answer to these constant allegations, scapegoating, and demands: fuck off.

It's worth talking about.

African- Americans have, on average, 10% to 20% of European genes; how would this be taken into consideration? It can't be based on just identifying as African-American/black.

[quote] Given to France or bundled in chests and thrown into the ocean that money was never going to serve Haiti. Anything in the treasury would have been grabbed by the former slaves pretending to be French Emperors and nobility. Then by the line of dictators down to Papa Doc and the narco-crooks running Haiti today.

One of the big reasons there is so much corruption and dictators is the severe poverty. If it had that $100 billion, the society would have been richer, and, subsequently, much less overt corruption.

[quote] Black victimization/oppression is an existentially crucial narrative for blacks (and progressive whites) to avoid the real issues within the black community

These real issues are apparent in most poor communities, no matter what race they are. They aren't specific to being black--they are specific to blacks in American because of how they have been treated for hundreds of years.

Black poverty was a societal choice.

R81- Most American Blacks have traces of white blood because their female ancestors were raped by white slave owners. I don’t think that is a swaying point to they are part white so they are less deserving.

This could be entertaining

[quote]Black victimization/oppression is an existentially crucial narrative for blacks (and progressive whites) to avoid the real issues within the black community and the repercussions of these issues on all the other ethnic groups in the US.

This is why reparations will not work. They'll take the money, sure. But they will still cry racism at every turn.

R86, maybe read the article. No one is offering cash

Why are there two Cheryl Grills on that task force @ R65? The first names spelled slightly different. Are there really two people with the same uncommon name on the panel? Weird.

Okay R87--they'll take all the "benefits", whatever they may be. And still cry victim......because slavery.

[quote]Latinos and Asians who had nothing to do with the past oppression of blacks will not take this lying down, it’s downright insulting and democrats need to focus on what we need now like tackling inflation, climate change and jobs instead of pandering to trans and specific racial politics.

👋 Uh, hello? Why just Latinos and Asians? We didn't have fuck all to do with slavery either, and neither did our ancestors.

r90, your white ancestors didn't have laws written specifically for them, that they were property, did they? Did your relatives need a civil war to give them freedoms? Where are the white Jim Crow laws? Guess what. No one is going after you or your ancestors. It's going after the government that enslaved folks. Just like now, of you get in prison and it turns out you address actually are innocent, guess what? you could get reparations.

You don't like the word reparations, think of it as back pay.

How about the 450,000 Union soldiers who died to end slavery in America? We should figure out what their lifetime potential earnings could have been and use that number in the calculations.

You aren't going to be getting a check.

They'll spend every cent they get on liquor!

Time to take out shares in Walmart, JD Sports and KFC.....

This is an interesting subject.

First of all, a considerable number of people in the US's poorest areas are direct descendants of slaves and indentured servants who were kidnapped all over Europe, but primarity in port cities in England. Then you have the people who were sent to the colonies as indentured servants once the British aristocracy's agricultural estates were totalled and consolidated into country residences. Many of those people didn't manage to make their way to the industrial towns' slums, but were shipped like cattle to America to be exploited in Eastern plantations. Most of their descendants live in Appalachia, which is still one of the poorest regions in the continental USA. These people came to America in conditions of extreme poverty and were horribly exploited, and live in poverty to this day.

In spite of the fact that they are white, these people are not privileged in any way and have been historically mistreated and denied justice. Do they deserve reparations as well, or is this purely a matter of political posturing designed to pretend that only one racial community has been oppressed in America?

Then, of course, we must take into account that most white people came to the US between the late 19th and up to the mid-20th Century. These people, who were poor and powerless in Europe, arrived to the US being completely alien to the transatlantic slave trade and caste system implemented by the British Crown. Why should they pay anything, when they are not guilty of something created by a foreign monarchy and are, to this day, mostly powerless themselves? Not to mention that the Irish and Southern European immigrants who arrived up to the 1950s suffered extreme discrimination - many were not considered white, and were ghettoized upon arrival. Why should those who have suffered from ethnic and racial discrimination themselves be blamed for the way in which the same policies that affected them negatively, were used to oppress other racial and ethnic groups?

Finally, there is the issue of the Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Native American slaves... These people were appallingly treated (just read about the way in which the Eastern Asian slaves were treated during the railroad expansion of the 19th Century) so, why don't they deserve reparations as well? Why should black people (whose ancestors were sold into slavery by the African aristocracy and royalty of the Togo, Ashanti, Benin, Mali and Songhai kingdoms, and then re-sold and exploited by the British, Spanish, French and Portuguese monarchies, as well as Dutch traders and German princes), be the only ones whose abuse and suffering is to be legitimized and compensated?

Also, should every black person in the US who can trace his or her ancestry back to the imported slave communities of the 16th to 19th Centuries, receive some form of reparation? So, multi-millionaires like Will Smith, Jay-Z, Beyoncé, Michael Jordan and Oprah, who have never really suffered any racism and have become outrageously wealthy and successful in spite of racism, deserve to receive as much as someone whose entire family history in the US has been marked by exploitation and poverty?

This is a very complex issue and it goes beyond the immoral effectism of the Democratic party and the shameless extortionary practices of the BLM leadership. It also rises issues of erasure for those who have managed to become successful in spite of the prejudices, aggressions and isolation to which they have been subjected, or have the wrong skin colour.

Chappelle’s crystal ball from 2003.

Link this thread to Things Only Black People Have/Do, cause ain't no other ethnicity squawking for reparations like the Black community does.

I think descendants of slaves should be getting a 5,000 check every month.

How would this even work? All slaves are long dead. Would this be a one time payment to all African Americans or would every generation from here on out get a check?

It's been far too many years and too many generations.

[quote] Finally, there is the issue of the Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Native American slaves... These people were appallingly treated (just read about the way in which the Eastern Asian slaves were treated during the railroad expansion of the 19th Century) so, why don't they deserve reparations as well?

We don't want charity; we can study hard in school and go on to work. We just don't want to be murdered going to/from school and work. But thanks, r95.

Lets not.

[quote]Not wanting to fix the past

You can't fucking fix the past. You have to move on.

R103 But you can’t let the past go you know. It’s harder to be a victim if you do.

The interesting thing about this situation is that no African American alive today was ever a slave. Which means that black parents are teaching their children to be bitter and angry instead of getting an education and being successful.

When will Syria demand reparations from Italy for utterly destroying Carthage?

[quote], Reparations in the form of educational and small business grants as well as reduced interest rates for buying property.

Not gonna work. They want CASH MONEY, son!

[quote]True equality for all people to live a happy, productive, and dignified life should be our national goal.

And I want Chris Evans to sit on my face. Guess what? It's never gonna fuckin' happen. And I have to accept that.

[quote] I like that the point of the reparations documents is to gain racial equity, which is supposed to be the promise of America.

This is a troll post, right?

"Equity." Yeah, America's all about equality of outcome. /s

They're just going to blow it all on big screen tvs and Air Jordans anyway.

No not really, Just kidding!

Though stunningly beautiful with skin like ivory snow, the Irish were forced in to labor and called "white n-words". I'm 3/4 Irish with my great, great grandparents coming from Ireland. And I'm gay and have been treated badly by every race and being called a "f-g" is literal slavery as there is no safe place to go.

I WANT REPARATIONS!!!!!!

I support GAY REPARATIONS....I was barred from "legally" getting married by the United States until 2015......Gay Reparations....

So funny, most of those demanding reparations have never voted in their lives, paid taxes or contributed anything other than prolonging the queue at the nail bar. But the first mention of a free cheque and they be all out with their craft card and felt-tips vocalising.

Why pick and choose and only help black people? EVERYONE on Earth had some of their ancestors oppressed by some invader at some point. And thus everyone was set back and robbed of development opportunities and freedom. Sometimes for decades or centuries.

What about reparations for:

* Japanese and Chinese people who enslaved and fought each other?

* Genghis Khan's invasions

* Arabs having slaves, even before (and arguably, after) white people did.

* All those Europeans countries that were colonized by Romans thousands of years ago? Italians should pay.

* Gays who have been denied rights for decades?

* Jewish people who have been oppressed for centuries across the world (not even bringing the Holocaust in here, simply referring to antisemitism and pogroms from Russia to the west)

* Etc.

^^^^^ Ireland's suffering at the hands of England for centuries before partition.

If repairarations go through I’m buying stock in Kools, kol aid and Popeyes.

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For people on the right who want to argue that their side would never commit violence or that January 6 wasn’t that bad or want to pit different ethnic groups against each other - mob violence and lynching were also used against Asians. Indentured servants of whatever race were subject to abuse and rape. I’m fine with reparations, not because I think slavery is the only abuse ever committed but because for one thing, it’s not really in the distant past - it’s 159 years ago, which is only a few generations. And it was followed by a very long period where there were few jobs available for people of color. And in recent years economic policies led to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Many of us might have a relative who worked as a grocer in the early 20th century and made a living wage….

[quote]I think descendants of slaves should be getting a 5,000 check every month.

That’s a lot of checks, but they’d be worthless without money in the bank to back them up.

And lost elections.

How many grocery stores have you slipped and fallen down in, R98?

If you want reparations go hang at one of the many houses that BLM purchased for black events using charitable gifts.

and they wonder why Dems are losing the Hispanic vote

And there are 403,000 still living in America today. What about them. Don't believe me, look it up.

^^^ not American black slaves but foreign slaves, female slaves, and economic slaves.

What about all the people who were arrested and prosecuted for marijuana possession before various states realized it was stupid to ruin people’s lives over it? What about their destroyed reputations and lost job opportunities? Do they get reparations for that?

R125, no. They violated the laws in place at the time.

R126 Well, slavery was legal at the time that African Americans were slaves. They violated laws by running away. See how that works?

R126 What about sodomy laws? Should all gay men sexually active before 2003 have gone to prison?

R17 It’s not glossed over at all.

The constructs of race weren’t really pushed forward until the 1700’s post-slavery.

The Transatlantic slave trade went from selling poor Europeans to exclusively trading Africans because they were black. It went from selling criminals to selling villages. There was an evolution that ended focusing solely on black peoples.

As white people always say, slavery has always existed. But it did not always exist on the basis of skin color, which happened later.

Would Africans have sold slaves if they knew Europeans thought they were going to claim Africans were half monkey? That didn’t come until later and Europeans had already started colonizing Africa by then and were running the trades.

R113 Black people aren’t the first to ask for reparations. You should look into who has gotten reparations. You act like it’s never existed before.

It'll never happen. You can't hold anyone responsible. Blacks need to move on. Just like everyone else who had suffered from injustices of the past. Not to mention the rethugs are gaining new members left and right. Stupid liberals. They could actually make a difference if they stuck to real issues rather this silliness.

I would like the owed pension from the last slave in my family.

He was a runaway slave who signed up for the Union and fought in the Civil War.

I found him through his Civil War records and was able to read about him in a book about the Fort Pillow Massacre.

Both of his parents died in 1850 and he was sold to the neighbor. He ran away as a teenager with a group and joined the army.

He survived the Fort Pillow Massacre and moved to Arkansas. When his friend who he had run away with was murdered by the KKK, he married his wife and had one son.

So my whole family exists because the KKK murdered a man.

Anyways, black civil war veterans pensions were less than white civil war veterans.

I think it’s justified for families of veterans who were fucked over to claim their money.

Or do we just say white people unfairly got ahead in America and black people should stop bitching?

Maybe a Jubilee could be enacted whereby all debts become cancelled. Everybody becomes zeroed out financially with everyone else. Just for a moment the financial heartbeat stops. When it starts nobody owes anybody anything.

And someone mentioned why don’t gays get reparations.

I’ll explain for the retarded.

Gay is an individual experience. Your grandfather wasn’t denied loans and jobs because they knew he was going to have a stupid fairy grandson asking why don’t gays get reparations.

R110 My black fathers parents’ last names sound more Irish than my own mother’s Irish families last names.

Just saying.

You just have never seen “Gone with the Wind”. Where was Pa from?

R131 White people said the same thing in the 1870’s. A lot of things white people are saying in this thread was said in the 1870’s. White people haven’t changed their minds since the Civil War.

So it’s like your opinion just doesn’t matter. You just can’t be listened to. White people as a group will never side with black people on anything unless it benefits them and screws over black people in the end.

The biggest roadblock here is that black people don’t want to move on. They want to be the world’s biggest victims so that society at large will excuse their failures.

I remember another thread (I can’t remember if it was here or Reddit) where someone brought up the fact that their grandparents had lost their entire families in the Holocaust. The point was that all kinds of people have suffered at the hands of others. And some black person replied “your family suffered for one generation, mine suffered for twelve. You will never win this argument.”

And that is the crux of this whole conversation. Black people aren’t interested in justice, because it will NEVER be enough. They want victimhood, and to be excused from doing what every other group does - work their asses off so that their kids will have a better life.

r136 it's been how many generations? Everybody from that time is long, long dead. It's too far back in history for the descendants to be given financial compensation to be taken seriously.

R137 How can black people be the biggest victims with white people around?

Look at what’s happened to the right, the Midwest, the south. These white people are angry because they believe they’re victims.

And to even put this out there - on the left, trans ideology and this modern victimhood of self diagnosing disorders is not black people. It’s mostly white and upper class.

Anyways…

“Black people aren’t interested in justice, because it will NEVER be enough. They want victimhood, and to be excused from doing what every other group does - work their asses off so that their kids will have a better life.”

What WAS enough? That we could use the same restrooms white people used?

R138 But you’re alive and you say the same shit and think the same way.

Indeed!

R139 What is it that you want? Just say it. What will be enough? Do you want a check? Do you want an official apology from the president? Do you want free college for black kids? Do you want white people to be slaves instead? Just say what it is you want that would settle this once and for all so that we can all move on.

You can't money for dead people you didn't even know.

r142 I suspect a ton of money so they would never have to do anything ever again.

Blacks built this country and didn't get paid for it. Slavery ends then Jim Crows begins. Whites got reparations by the free labor that turned into wealth.

Time to pay up.

R145 is a perfect example of how blacks continue to gaslight the country. They don’t say specifically what it is they want or lay out any specific ideas or plans. They just continue to act aggrieved, or say “gimme money” without specifying how much and on what terms. They don’t want this issue to be resolved, ever. They just want this thing to try and hold over white people.

R137, it is not about justice, it is about revenge. I think it is also a defense mechanism, if you believe the world is against you, all forces are conspiring against you, there is no reason to face the challenges of life, to push yourself to be and do more, and all your failures are to be blamed on the racist white folks with their systemic racism. It is the perfect out and everyone around the living room will nod their heads in agreement and give you a few AMENS!

R145, what exactly did they build?

Not before my gay ass gets compensation for what they are doing right NOW to gay people, not something that happened 150 years ago. This is a slippery slope, who is next? Possibly the trannies will want reparations next!

Bring back Freaknik!

Yo! Me and Tanequa and my sistah Yolanda and my 'ants' Mo-esha, La'quisha and Sho'londria is all waitin' on our rep-ar-at-ions y'all! Yes we is!!! Bu' in the meantime, we is cashin' those welfare cheques and living our lives!

Never going to happen. Too long ago. Blacks are less than 15% of the population and many don't vote. Whites won't vote for it. They might say they will but when it comes down to it, they won't cast that vote. It would be so much better for Blacks if they focused on raising their families to be productive citizens and stopped idolizing criminal culture. Victimhood never got anyone anywhere.

Do…people think this is the answer to their problems? Lollollollol

R148 Better ask what we didn't build. For one, we built the MF White House, US Capitol, Smithsonian, Harvard Law School, Georgetown U, and etc.

[quote] This should go over well with Fox News...

You mean with American voters.

[quote] Blacks built this country

No they didn’t and a black tranny didn’t throw the first brick.

This is hilarious. Republicans are going to control all branches of government soon, even soon at the state level. Keep it up.

African should pay them. They’re the ones that sold them.

Africa should pay them. They’re the ones that sold them.

[quote] we built the MF White House

And you did a lousy job of it. The collapsing MF White House had to be rebuilt by unionized building contractors during the Truman administration.

The White House was basically falling apart during FDR's entire term but a costly renovation would've been the worst thing to do because of the Depression and then WWII - it would've been horrible optics since the American people were in such dire straits. Nothing could be done so FDR, Eleanor and his administration just had to deal with shit falling apart around them. r160 is correct - by the Truman administration the White House had been neglected for so long it pretty much had to be rebuilt from the inside out. It was an enormous project, a reconstruction of the entire building.

R160, they didn’t have modern building codes. There was reuse of damaged materials and renovations done to keep up with modern technology that cut into support beams.

“Fire: In August 1814, the White House was gutted by a fire set by British troops during the War of 1812; only a heavy rainstorm prevented the entire structure from being destroyed. By 1817, the building had been rebuilt. Key portions of the scorched wooden structure were re-used.[19]

Services: Technological advances in heating, plumbing, lighting, communications, and elevators were all added into the White House during its first century-and-a-half. When the White House was constructed, it had no indoor plumbing, on-site running water, fire fighting systems, electricity, or communications systems. Many of these were cut through major structural supports, including reducing wooden beams from 14 to 2 inches thickness.[21] Earlier systems that became obsolete, such as old water pipes, gas pipes for lights, and forced-air heating ducts, were abandoned in place, adding significant weight to the building.[20]“

[quote]Blacks built this country

No, they didn't. This is a fairy tale. They 'helped' for sure. But so did every other immigrant group.

[quote] Blacks built this country

This is true. Kool & The Gang were going to record We Built This Country but the record label panicked, changed it to We Built This City and gave it to Starship.

Let's balance what was built by slaves by the number of cities/neighborhoods destroyed by blacks, either by riots or the black propensity to create shitholes. I think a reparations discussion on the national level is a good idea. It beings issues to the fore that black people don't want to hear about, let alone acknowledge.

I support this in the abstract. But giving things to black citizens that are not available to others is a recipe for civil war.

Any program like this needs to be something where other low income people have a buy-in point.

(I'm not saying this out of personal feelings about reparations - but this is sociology 101)

'Built this country" is such a stupid shortcut. They didn't build Apple, Google, Ford, invented transistors or chips etc... They didn't invent nuclear power, the electric grid, modern water management or urban planning. They didn't contribute to modern medicine in more meaningful ways than any other races (whites) in the US. They didn't have much of a contribution to literature or movies (but they did have a massive contribution to music). Generally speaking, there are so many more game-changing things that were contributed to by many other races in the US history. That claim is ridiculous.

I truly hope R11 was sarcasm.

R117 159 years is 10-12 generations or more for blacks, who breed very young.

Is England and Spain going to pay back south America for all the gold they stole?

What about the Africans that captured and sold Africans as slaves, they should pay up as well.

R171 No, that would involve accepting the painful truth. Ain't gonna happen, the Black community are whiter than white in this scenario ; )

Back of the envelope calculation: It would cost about $2 trillion to give every African-American in the U.S. population $50,000.

About enough for a down payment on a house (depending on location) or a college education (maybe with some loans)?

How about it?

If chocolates get 'reparatias" for being chocolates then sisters should get 'reparatias' for being sisters!

R20 Trans troll.

[quote] The reparations committee. Suddenly the picture sharpens into focus

Why does this committee only include blacks and Asians?

[quote] be blamed for the way...

Liked the information in your post, R95 (without agreeing with your argument), but it's not about blame.

Who is representing the families of the former slaveowners? They still haven't been paid for their legally purchased chattel.

Ever notice how successful black people never bring up this topic? It’s almost like they know that begging for free shit won’t get them anywhere in life.

R173, do you really think that money will be spent on those things? Oh, honey.

R180 I’m guessing some Air Jordans, a big screen TV, and an Escalade.

Don't forget Lotto tickets.

black people already have their reparations it's called welfare

A lot of black people are leaving California. Some who have graduated and sought jobs in education, social services, and medical field jobs can't get hired because they don't speak Spanish. It's even hard to get a job in construction or hotel housekeeping if you don't speak Spanish.

Yessum!

So the U.S. areas actually pay out reparations. Will they be based on the percentage of of slave ancestors each person has? And from which side of each person’s family?

So all these ascertained survivors are paid. And then spend their money.

Then what?

Will their descendants feel left out and want more?

Black people built this country! Believe me! And I know building, folks. Black people MADE this country. Everyone agrees! That's why we need reparations! If you don't support reparations, you're a LOSER! And I like WINNERS.

Reparations! And don't skimp! It's the only way I'm gonna get re-elect -- er, it's the only way to be truly fair and just!

R169, Average maternal age in the US for African American mothers is 25 as of 2021. It’s similar to other ethnic groups.

Newsweek goads Biden for his timidity

Jason Nichols , senior lecturer in the African American Studies Department at the University of Maryland College Park

Reparations for slavery was a hot topic during the 2020 Democratic presidential primary. The candidates paid careful lip service to the idea. And it's no mystery as to why: President Biden won the nomination by capturing South Carolina, a state which owes its sizable Black population to the fact that the Port of Charleston was the largest slave port in the country. The state with the second largest enslaved population at the start of the Civil War was Georgia, another state whose Black population was pivotal in driving Biden to victory.

So it's rather shocking that President Biden has yet to fully endorse H.R. 40, a bill that would establish a commission to study reparations, despite Biden's advocacy for the bill during his campaign. Former Press Secretary Jen Psaki has said the President supports the study of reparations, but we've heard very little from the President himself. And it reflects a larger pattern of Biden talking a big game on equity without much by way of follow through with action.

His dormancy on issues of racial equity are all the more disappointing this week given the example set by California, which released a report this week about the evils of slavery with a recommendation for reparations.

They promised us 40 acres and a mule, and the ancestors didn't get anything to help them along in life. They were uneducated slaves, who were tossed out in the segregated world to pass down poverty to their offspring. It wasn't until the 50s, when Brown vs. The Board of Education, that Blacks were finally able to open the door to desegregation, but many Blacks, in that generation, were still left in a chokehold.

Don't let me get started on systematic racism.

Other races, such as the Japanese were awarded something for the injustice bestowed upon them.

For example, regarding the Japanese-Americans, the legislation admitted that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership." By 1992, the U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion (equivalent to $3.67 billion in 2021) in reparations to 82,219 Japanese Americans who had been interned.

What about the descendants of enslaved people, who were promised long before anyone?

R190, absolutely. Yes, if the trend between the Civil War and the 1890s had continued on without being disrupted by Jim Crow laws, and if reparations had happened back then when they were supposed to, we’d be in a much better place today. The second part of the 19th century had the first black Congressmen, first black employment agency, living wage for many people, etc.

R154, buildings. They built buildings. It's not like they invented the semiconductor and it was stolen from them. The value-add is minimal.

That said, every non-state entity that directly benefitted from them should find the descendants and pay compensation adjusted for inflation and with interest. But don't make third parties pay.

R192, I think the point about the broken promise is not a trivial one. 40 acres and a mule - multiply that by the number of people who were enslaved at the time of the Civil War, adjust it for inflation, and put it in a dedicated fund that can invest and accrue interest like a 401 k. Many people have no retirement plan; one thing that could be is a way to let people retire in old age, which everyone should be able to.

Black guys with cocks longer than 8" should capitalise on it. That's quicker than waiting for reparations. Plus it would put a smile on whitey's face.

[quote] Black people built this country! Believe me! And I know building, folks. Black people MADE this country.

Funny, when I look at those pictures of the Empire State and the Golden Gate being built I don't see any Black people. Maybe White people built this country too?

[quote]Black guys with cocks longer than 8" should capitalise on it. That's quicker than waiting for reparations. Plus it would put a smile on whitey's face.

Contrary to what you may think, most other races don't find blacks attractive.

Many white people came to America to escape persecution that that were facing in Europe. I think Europeans owe Americans reparations.

In high school, I suffered homophobic abuse, including beatings, at the hands of black kids. They should pay me reparations. I want 40 acres and a pool, bitches!

I agree, R198. I've been harassed, insulted, assaulted, robbed several times and had a gun pointed at me during a mugging, all of these done by black males. I want my 40 acres and a pool, too..

R189. Biden doesn't make a move that the numbers don't support. He has teams obsessing over the data to decide what action to take or not to take. The reason he doesn't support all this reparations talk is because they all know it is not what the majority want. It will NEVER happen. Blacks need to focus their energy on bettering themselves and helping one another. Burning things down and committing crimes doesn't help their cause. Oh well, back to something more productive. Ta ta.

How about reparations from blacks for all the violence and death they've brought upon their fellow non-black citizens. How about all the destruction of neighborhoods and cities through riots and general destructiveness?

Here’s the cold hard truth. Democrats are using this to get votes. They know that there’s no chance in hell of a reparations law ever being passed. But they can play lip service to their African American constituents and then blame the Republicans for blocking it.

R125 NO, they broke laws that existed at that time

R203 So did the slaves who ran away and the gays who had anal sex before 2003. You’re a genius.

R204 are you trying to equate people who chose to sell pot on the streets knowing it was illegal to slavery? ☺️🤣😍😂😁😉😊😛 Where they forced into selling pot?

BTW R204 people who sold pot were profiting $$$ by it, genius!

Reparations for White people victims of Black violence......

[quote] Democrats are using this to get votes. They know that there’s no chance in hell of a reparations law ever being passed. But they can play lip service to their African American constituents and then blame the Republicans for blocking it.

The problem is many don't show up at the polls.

R206, it can hardly be described as profiting on it when it was illegal and whatever profits there might have been were just confiscated by police. Compared to the East India Trading company, which made a huge fortune selling opium to China after the Chinese government at the time repeatedly tried to prevent it by passing laws over and over again for 70 years? Where are the African American multi-billionaires? Or the very well known Beyer company that now sells aspirin but used to sell heroin when heroin was legal though secretly known to be addictive? Where are the African Americans with family fortunes from selling that? All of these small time drug dealers that are constantly doing weighing and measuring and keeping contact lists of clients - why are they not running actual small businesses, when they clearly could be doing that based on skills alone and not risk prison or a total loss of what they earned? Without money you can’t get a bank loan to cover start up costs. And if you’re not well off, any loan or credit you have comes with sky high interest, while if you’re already well off you get cash rewards.

Some of the history of Bayer is in the link.

R205 Not selling, possession. I’m making a point that if you’re simply trying to say that everyone needs to obey laws that are on the books at the time, then slavery was legal that time so what’s the problem? If we are going to argue that bad laws should be broken, then that opens up a wider conversation.

But the idea of selling drugs was for profit for those who engaged in it R209 Were they in in to lose money genius? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime! 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

R212

[quote]If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!

And that includes being a runaway slave or being gay where it is illegal.

The uncomfortable truth that no one wants to say out loud is that blacks wants “reparations” because they want to buy some bling. You really think they are going to use this money for their children’s education? They’re going to buy a new Escalade and some designers sunglasses. It’s a funny thing, Chinese and Japanese Americans also suffered some horrible shit under the U.S. Government but you never hear them asking for free shit. They just work hard and become successful.

OP, why the fuck should I care how this goes over "with Fox News."

I know this is off topic but why do black people still buy shitty American cars? Even black people with money still buy pieces of shit like Cadillacs and Lincolns. And middle class black people still buy Fords and Chevys. Why? White people moved on from that mess in the late 90s.

R213 where is it currently illegal to be gay and except to slaves to stupidity like you where is slavery legal in the US now? Pot dealers were scofflaws who knew what they were doing and what the consequences might be which is vastly different from slavery when it actual was legal to have slaves.

Reparations for the Irish, Italians..anyone that was not WASP .

I’m not suggesting anyone should be committing any crime. But since the real profits from drug sales don’t seem to be making most people who commit these crimes rich, where is the money going? And who is making the whole gun-drug thing popular for generation after generation? There weren’t so many people in prison before the 1980s. The prisons shouldn’t be promoting hate groups the way they do. They promote hate groups for white power as well as black power groups, and a lot of the time the guards are involved. There are fewer administrative jobs with technology changes but plenty of jobs for police officers and plenty of jobs for prisons. It’s not because of race. We had far fewer people in prisons in the early 20th century.

R17 I’m not talking about dealers you twat! I’m talking about people who were prosecuted for possession of marijuana. It was a bad, unfair law that states are now rectifying. Possession is now being legalized. There are many laws like this. Gay sex was illegal in many states until 2003. Should gay men who had sex with each other all been prosecuted just because it was “against the law” at that time?

^R217 not R17

Speaking of crimes - from the early 20th century, Jim Crow. “White farmers responded with a posse that may have killed as many as 100 black farmers and sharecroppers along with women and children.”

R220 but some politicians like Bill de Blasio and Eric Holder are calling for reparations for former dealers who were arrested in the form preference when it comes to opening legal pot businesses, so reparations do involve pot dealers. And equating those whose human rights were violated with people who were fined or arrested for possession is a stretch that would challenge even your prolapsed anus😉😊🤣😂😁☺️😍😛😉

R220, of course not. Actually, laws can be completely unjust, completely horrible, but the golden rule is fair. Do unto others as you’d have them do to you. So that means try to make sure everyone can retire at old age. There used to be pensions - will we all be working at 75? Can the giant companies like Philips that knowingly got rich off exploiting addictive substance sales really not afford to put something in a pension plan? Maybe not just for African Americans.

BTW R220 what form would the reparations take for those who were arrested of fined for possession since YOU aren't' talking about dealers, TWAT!😉🤣😊😛😍☺️😂😁😊🤣

R225, it would take the form of low interest small business loans and training, which already has worked to bring a lot of people out of poverty. 40 percent of the new businesses in the US have minority owners. Banks could be financially incentivized not to charge high interest rates. As someone posted earlier, 43 percent of people on welfare are white; and 18 percent of black Americans are living in poverty, which means that 82 percent of black Americans aren’t living in poverty. The people who aren’t poor would benefit from the same policies designed to help the whole US working/middle class like pensions and encouragement of small businesses and rent caps. And the people who are poor need food and shelter.

R223 Do us all a favor and go fuck an AIDS-infected tranny without protection. 😉🤣😊😛😍☺️😂😁😊🤣

Reparations will never happen for one simple reason. Americans are greedy as hell. Privileged pricks born with silver spoons in their mouths love to preach about “pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps,” which of course they never did. Unlike, say, the Scandinavians, who value taking care of each other, we Americans value kicking people when they’re down and taking what little they have. I’m in favor of healthcare for all, and initiating programs to help left Americans out of poverty. But it will never happen. We just don’t give a fuck about each other.

Give blacks people free money and they’ll spend it all on lotto tickets.

Actually, R228, Americans are known for their generosity, kindness and altruism. We have little patience for losers making stupid choices then expecting everyone else to take care of them or clean up their mess. We have spent trillions on all sorts of government programs, we spend an incredible amount of money on education, if people won't take advantage of these things, it is completely on them.

I went to one of the "elite" New York City high schools. Blacks were given special tutoring to help their scores and get them into the school. They fucking terrorized the place. It was in what had been a very beautiful neighborhood that had basically become yet another black slum. If you weren't black, you got the fuck out that neighborhood before dark.

R230 And I suppose if you get cancer and can’t work anymore and lose your entire life savings and go bankrupt that’s your own fucking fault. It’s not like we need a real healthcare system or anything.

[quote] Unlike, say, the Scandinavians, who value taking care of each other,

Get back to me when the Scandinavians give reparations to the the Sámi people.

R231 and what of the 54 billion $$$ to the Ukraine? How is it being spent? Will it be paid back? Imagine how the government could have helped citizens of the US with money generated by taxpayers?

PS R231 (^.^) ever hear of Burisma a Ukranian owned private energy company which gave the crack-addled Hunter Biden a lucrative seat on its board?

It is interesting that we can’t have healthcare for all because it’s “too expensive,” but we can always find aid to send elsewhere.

R190 I agree with you completely, but I think there are better ways to handle reparations than simply giving poor black people a check that they will blow on a Cadillac and a new big screen TV. The government should invest in education and infrastructure for black communities.

Oprah tried to do a school situation for black kids or something like that. they didn't want the education because being educated was acting white. They wanted cash. Instead, she started a school in Africa for girls.

R237 Black people need to help themselves before anyone else can help them. Poor people across the board are bad with money and if you give poor people a check they will blow it. There’s a reason that successful black people don’t hang out with other blacks unless they are also successful.

Instead, she started a school in Africa for girls.

Wanda Sykes as Mrs. Garrett

Zendaya as Blair

Raven Symone as Jo

Gabouray Sidibe as Natalie

Halle Bailey as Tootie

Fox news aside I don't think it will go over well with most Americans

Yes I agree 238. It is more of a class thing. Rich or very successful white people dont' hang around with poor and lower-middle-class people. People seem to feel more comfortable with their own class.

And color.

Yes, any color. I don't doubt they mix it up in the super-educated upper classes. Black and white people and every other ethnicity most likely hang together. I'm not in that class so I could be wrong.

(R229) Exactly, if one is standing behind a black person playing numbers, best if one had a folding chair for the extremely long wait.

Modern day lynching

Liming was brutally beaten to death at around 10:46 pm near the basketball courts of the I Promise School in Akron. Officials reported the teen had died from blunt force trauma to the head after he allegedly got into an altercation involving a water gun. Authorities say Liming was lying on the ground in the parking lot when police arrived. They were unable to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene.

That poor kid r245.

R245 I blame a lot of this on the media. For years now, they’ve been pushing this narrative that it’s white peoples’ fault that minority communities are all fucked up. It’s never the responsibility of minority communities to help themselves or clean up their own messes. Just be angry with white people, but don’t actually bother to lift up your own people.

Someone should start a thread about what this country should do about the huge and growing number of black men in the prison system. Do we just keep building more prisons? Serious question here.

and that racist Sunny Hostin of The View R247 who continually reiterates the idea that whites particularly white men are the biggest threat to the black community. She spent more time talking about the Central Park Karen than the black man who was responsible for the largest assault in the history of the NY subway system.