Keto diet is all the rage!

I did it a few years back and can say that it does work. My only issue is I am a reluctant meat eater so Keto is hard.

R1 what's the benefit? Were you trying to lose weight? there are no fruits and tons of fat

Yes, I lost about 25 pounds in a few months. Once again eating all the meat required turned me off.

I've done whole30 a couple months ago. I lost 20 pounds on that cycle. I'm doing it again and so far I've lost 5 pounds in a week. It sucks and I've been having dreams set in restaurants or fast food places like Popeyes, but it's worth it. Whole30 is better because you can have fruit and potatoes, but unlike keto, you can't have beans and seed oils. I just can't go on a diet without any rules or structure, because then I end up having cheat meals, which turn into cheat days, which turn into cheat weeks. It's easier when you have a planned end date as well. Whole30 is a little cultish though, that's the only negative.

You almost get high from the increased energy and overall wellbeing of it. It's addictive. Eating lots of carbs makes me feel like shit

Looks fantastic for weight loss, short term. Looks like a fantastic way to help pay for a cardio-thoraic surgeon's next beemer, long term.

OP, how can you eat like what? Cut the carb, up the fat and protein. This isn’t new information.

I was considering this, but I have high cholesterol and I can’t imagine this being a good diet for that particular condition.

[quote] there are no fruits and tons of fat

Fruits are nothing but sugar, which makes you fat, and fats from meat are good for you. On Keto, you burn the fat you eat.

You absolutely feel high from keto. Your mood soars, your skin clears, you drop weight like crazy. The body was not meant to handle all the processed carbs. They truly are the enemy of health. Im laying here like a fat whore thinking about how I have to start keto again. I was injured and immobilized and fell into a deep depression and started eating badly and gained some back. It is harder to do while living with someone if they are not doing it with you. I thrived on it, though, and Im going back to it this week. The key to staying within your macros is bulletproof coffee. Its almost essential for success with that lifestyle. You don’t have to eat a bunch of red meat and bacon and butter. Fatty fish such as salmon, avocado, nut butters, avocado oils, are all great sources of fat.

R9 - fruits are not "nothing but sugar". There is fructose, but what the fuck did you learn THAT? Fruit is not unhealthy. Processed sugar and added sugars are obviously not good for you.

What a load of garbage. And limited fats from meat. You can't eat fatty meats all the time and expect to be healthy. It just doesn't work that way.

You sound really misinformed.

I did paleo, which seems similar. It’s great because you drop weight fast - it took me two months to lose 30lbs. I felt much better, not sluggish. Slept a lot better. Really found it difficult some days to actually eat anything - you just didn’t feel hungry. But ultimately, it’s difficult to maintain long term if you’re not susceptible to cult-like influence and devotion, or if you don’t want to eat protein and fats all the time. Towards the end, I was eating nothing but chicken breasts, eggs, bacon, almonds and broccoli because it got boring, and time consuming, cooking anything else. I think one of the biggest keys to weight loss is trying to cut out refined sugars and breads. And fast/junk food, which is full of refined sugar and carbs.

I cannot--do not--want to give up bread.

R11 - when I did paleo, my blood sugars and cholesterol went down. I know it won’t be like that for everyone, but that was my experience. It could have also just been the effects of losing weight. One other thing that occurred is my psoriasis went into remission. Could have been coincidental, but 🤷🏻‍♂️

It’s ok short term but no one should eat like that permanently. Fruit is more than “just sugar.” It has fiber, vitamins, antioxidants. No one ever got fat from eating an apple for fucks sake.

Low carb is healthy but too much protein can damage your kidneys and too much fat can damage your heart and gallbladder. A healthy diet for a non diabetic person should be 30% fat, 30% protein and 40% complex carbohydrates (whole grains, oats, fruit and vegetables).

R13 = Oprah

Keto: How do you lose weight when you have to eat all that fat and very little vegetables? Aren't vegetables essential?

I eat low carb most of the time but not religiously. People who do Keto but don’t eat LOTS of vegetables are doing it wrong. I eat mostly greens, and low carb vegetables which is most of them except beans, corn, onions, and tomatoes and I can have the last two in limited quantities and stay below 20 grams of carbs a day.

Eating Keto is not just eating low carb as R10 notes. If you eat all protein and not much fat you will likely be tired most of the time. Any more than 30% of your calories from protein and many people what’s known as the “keto flu.”

So far as the cholesterol link, my blood cholesterol went down when I started eating more fat but I don’t just eat any type of fat. Grass-fed animal fats are high in Omega-3 and 12. Vegetable oils, such as canola/soybean/and sunflower oils, are high in omega-6 which is the fat which raises bad cholesterol. Of the non-animal derived oils avocado and coconut are best. Grass-fed ghee is also very good.

Can someone explain to me how Keto is different than the previous low carb, high-protein/fat diets of 20-25 years ago?

Is it just a repackaging of an old idea? Seems like it.

R19, Keto is specifically high fat. The Atkins diet is a higher protein, low carb diet. The increased fat consumption pushes the body into ketosis which Atkins does not, at least after you start adding carbs back in in third week.

One upside of severe chronic depression is that you lose the desire to eat almost entirely, and the pounds just fly off!

It's stupid diet.

All carbs contain protein. Fruits have fibre and vitamins.

And who the fuck would banish bread completely from their diet?!

I'm not on a keto diet (I just made chocolate buttercream from scratch, because I was REALLY craving chocolate & had none in the house, outside of unsweetened cocoa), but have cut carbs quite a bit. There's always room for improvement, but prepping large daily salads from fresh ingredients (on a weekly basis) really helps to set me up for success.

I'd LIKE to get to the point that I only reach for fruit when I have a sugar craving. But for now, I've made really good progress in the past six months, and can't wait to lose more weight over the summer.

All carbs are NOT the same. People love to lump the carbs in together. Of course, the best thing is to not eat "empty" carbs. Eat whole grains, which have vitamins and protein. And MOVE YOUR ASS! Whole carbs are fuel, and we are meant to eat them, but when we do we need to be active, which is what we should be doing anyway. No one's going to convince me that eating lots of saturated animal fat as a staple diet is good for you.

I’d like to try this but am not sure I can limit dairy.

Keto works wonders but your breath and your shits stank way more than normal.

They may pizza bites, and cheese is the pizza crust… I don’t fucking think so.

Make*

I tried, but I love sweet potatoes and fruit way too much. Pasta, bread and rice were easy to give up.

The whole saturated fat and heart attack issue is a bunch of bullshit. Ancel Keys was a con man. Not even a a physician.

R26. The breath is an issue if you do not hydrate and ensure that you are balanced w electrolytes.

It really does work, but you have to be an excellent chef- really know how to use the olive oil and spices/herbs.

I can get very gaunt looking very fast if I lose too much body fat, almost POS face, which I think happens with rangy northern Euro body types. Thicker, more muscular builds do beautifully on it.

Really, you have to know your body.

When I worked in pediatric neurology in the late 1990s we fed many of the epileptics’ keto diets as a last ditch effort to keep them from seizing all the time. One of the big things was trying to get them interested in munching down on a big spoonful of mayonnaise. Just about one out three kids would respond and it would help them. So whatever it does, keto does something quite radical to the brain in the process of adopting the diet, so keep that in mind. For the kids who it didn’t work, the last next ditch effort was severing the lobes of their brain, this would contain a seizure to one lobe instead of zapping around the whole skull and was some relief to them. But they were also never quite the same, not lobotomy bad, but you saw it in their affect. Who knows what they do today?

OP- There is nothing new here. It's the Atkins Diet. Eliminating entire food groups and saying it's more healthful is BULLSHIT.

Fruit has a lot of healthful nutrient. Keto like Atkins in NOT a balanced/healthful diet.

It works. But then again literally most things where you're focusing on whole and better foods and restricting your diet works.

Even low-fat still works (surprise!) - even with the carbs from potatoes, bread, cereal, fruit - if you're focused on quality protein, mainly whole foods, fruits, veggies, and minimal processed foods.

No way in hell am I eating that much meat and I'd die without my colourful fruit, about the only thing that makes me happy these days. My cute dentist is on keto and he has the most delightful acetone-like breath when he's near my mouth. Personally, I find it refreshing and not at all revolting.

Needless to say, you can be healthy and have an appealing body without any special diet, you just need to eat (and drink and sleep) healthy and exercise regularly. This really isn't rocket science, though you can earn a pretty penny by writing a book about the latest new diet craze and the masses will fall for it every single time.

R34, Fruit is basically a vegetable full of sugar. Nature never intended humans to gorge on it year round. Sugar is toxic, and responsible for all metabolic illnesses in this country.

Fruit was supposed to be consumed once a year, and not gorged on like it is now. It is not as healthy as you have been told.

R36- that breath goes away so you are lying. Also, it never emerges if one hydrates and uses electrolytes.

Isn't this basically the old Atkins diet?

I’ve done Whole 30 a couple of times and lost about 15 pounds each time. My cholesterol is a bit on the high side so I was worried all the eggs and meat would increase it more but it didn’t happen.

On the other hand, my neighbor did Keto and while he lost weight, his cholesterol went up like crazy.

Small sample size, obviously, but I think Keto is too meat heavy.

Forget everything you've been taught about nutrition.

r37 You're wrong, all the beneficial nutrients in fruit far outweigh the sugar "problem". You're supposed to have five different pieces of fruit per day. I can't even imagine what my skin would look like if I only had it once per year, Jesus.

Also, please don't accuse strangers online of lying, dear. Unless you're twelve, it really is an awful look.

Do people really think the natural sugar from fruit is just like processed sugar?

All I know is people treat diets like religion. I'm not even talking about telling someone their diet doesn't work (anything can work), but even saying that something ELSE works gets people angry, defensive. Low-carb worshippers can get really upset if you tell them you lost weight eating moderately low-fat diet and ate bread and grains with plentiful carbs.

R40, there are many meta studies debunking the cholesterol myth. As long as your ratio is good, you are good. Your body does not take cholesterol and turn it into cholesterol. In fact, many studies indicate a higher cholesterol will keep you alive longer. As long as the ratio is good.

High protein diets are hard on your kidneys.

R43, fruit from sugar is mainly fructose. Read about what it does to your body.

[quote]Do people really think the natural sugar from fruit is just like processed sugar?

r43 Yeah, they always fall for this weird simplistic essentialism. I agree that it's weird how angry they get; it's a bit like the Peloton or the CrossFit folk. Which is always a red flag.

Thats a myth, R45. In fact, carbs will give you kidney issues and fatty liver disease.

Do carbs affect kidneys? Low carb diets, such as Atkins, which are popular for people who want to lose weight, have been found not to cause any noticeable harm to the kidneys, researchers from Indiana University School of Medicine reported in the Clinical Journal of the American Society of Nephrology.Jun 2, 2012

Keto and Paleo are just modern day versions of Atkins, right?

[quote] fruit from sugar is mainly fructose. Read about what it does to your body.

Pure fructose in large quantities may not be great for the body, but fruit has the fiber that prevents all the fructose from being released in your body at one time (unlike in a diet soft drink, for example).

This the biggest problem with nutrition science. It's not like I can take fructose and put it in a blender and it becomes a peach. There is so much more involved that we cannot measure--the interactions of all the vitamins with the fructose and fiber do different things to your body than just a bunch of fructose.

Ancel Keys lied and brainwashed the country into believing low fat (sugar) is good and High fat bad. In fact, just the opposite is true.

[quote] Low-carb worshippers can get really upset if you tell them you lost weight eating moderately low-fat diet and ate bread and grains with plentiful carbs.

While that is very true, it's hard to know exactly when to stop eating. Putting rules around it works better, at least temporarily. The problem is we break rules all the time.

Process everything is bad for your body--bread, sugars, meats, etc.

That doesn't mean we should never have them. It just means once in a while a burger is fine. Every day is not.

[quote] Fruit was supposed to be consumed once a year, and not gorged on like it is now. It is not as healthy as you have been told.

That, of course, is pure pseudoscience bs.

Again, R50- Nature did not intend for humans to gorge on fruit. And the food pyramid includes it bc of the farmers. Before we insinuated ourselves, fruit was offered once a year. Annual fruits are not offered whenever you want them. Ppl throwing them into a smoothie etc is NOT healthy. At all. Sure, it has fiber. So do vegetables without the sugar. We are not supposed to eat the gross amount of fruit ppl believe. It is a "treat" given by nature, once a year.

Rice is my downfall. I'm fine without pasta or bread

[quote] Nature did not intend for humans to gorge on fruit

Who's gorging of fruit? It's a completely natural food, in its original form. It's fine to eat a few a day. Once is year is ridiculous

R57, WHO? Um, Americans. That's who. And, it may seem ridic to you, but that is what nature intended. Read about it.

I’m trying to do it but with tofu instead of meat. It’s hard because I really love bread and pasta. I do love olives, peanut butter and avocados, too, so there’s that.

It works. Reduces inflammation, too. My nephew is on it and it has almost eliminated his seizures.

A perfectly acceptable way to eat if done well. Breakfast is a cheddar omelet and coffee. Lunch is a chicken patty made from ground chicken thighs on a bed of greens and a creamy dill mayo made from scratch. Strawberries for dessert. Dinner of cheese/olive/pepperoni/yellow pepper sliced. That’s what I eat. What’s wrong with that?

There is nothing in pasta or potatoes or bread or sugar that you can’t get from a low-carb food.

After I was diagnosed as diabetic I went on Keto .Doc gave me this photo to tape on fridge. Said I could eat anything in the picture. In four weeks lost 40lbs. My breastbone and ribs were showing. My neighbors asked me if I had "the AIDS". After my A1C dropped from 10 to 5. I gradually added some carbs back. Rye toast . Small portions of pasta. Wizened is not a good look on moi.

Redneck Diet. For breakfeast,lunch,dinner. Note how thin and healthy we are.

Recipe for colon cancer

"Rice is my downfall. I'm fine without pasta or bread."

Why is it a "downfall"? Billions of people have it as part of their normal diet.

R64, because most don't use it as a "normal" part of the diet. They eat it w butter, and then have have dessert etc...Sure, it all one ate was rice..but thats not what they do. Carbs w fat is toxic to the body.

Consumer Reports published an in depth article about the Keto diet. Their conclusion NOT healthful.

It's an unsustainable extreme diet, really no fruit? Not even whole fruit!

As with most restrictive "diets" you will lose weight until you stop and gain it all back. Cut out carbs you'll lose weight, cut out fat the same. I Know many people who started keto, but it didn't last long.

[quote] Read about it.

Every idiotic theory about everything has been written about.

Vegetables also show up once a year. Are only supposed to eat those infrequently too?

R68, vegetables grow at all times of the year. WTF you talking about?

Go ahead, eat your fruit. Who cares lol. Enjoy.

[quote] Why is it a "downfall"? Billions of people have it as part of their normal diet.

Yes, rice is fine when you have an East Asian diet of mainly vegetables. When added to the calorie-heavy Western diet, it takes on all the evil qualities of carbs

The basic premise is to burn fat instead of carbs for energy. You can do Keto without meat, it can be done but limited Vegs fit that profile. There is so much keto food now it's eaiser than ever to do. Keto bread saved my fucking life on this program. I can have a sandwich and look normal.

Calories in and calories out.

Stop trying to find a way to avoid this truth with stupid diets like keto and paleo etc.

The health benefits of a diet rich in fruit and vegetables on our brain and heart are among the most consistent findings within nutrition science, says Deanna Minich, functional nutritionist and adjunct faculty at the University of Western States in Portland, Oregon.

Click on the link below/

There are no prunes on your pyramid.

Just limit the white carbs--bread, rice, pasta--and the pounds come off.

All the other stuff is just over-analyzed bs,

That doesn't work for everyone. I tried everything under the sun, Once I tried Keto I saw success in the first month like no other diet. I work out 3-5 times a week, weight training + 20-30 mins cardio. Even when I stuck to under 1500 calories a day I could not lose weight. In my first month on keto, I lost 20 pounds- half of my goal. In the second month I started seeing abs and chest definition. My face shape changed. People kept asking me what I was doing. Once I hit my goal, I still do keto but don't follow it religiously. One or two days a week I just eat like everyone else. So far so good. I still avoid processed sugar, and processed foods but fruits, veg, and things I can't have on keto.

Body builders obsessed on the carbs in certain fruits and such to get a completely cut look, particularly for competitions. Even the best body builders can't keep that up because it's hard as hell.

If anyone wants just to lose weight without wanting to enter a body building competition, stop eating bread and pasta

[quote] That doesn't work for everyone. I tried everything under the sun, Once I tried Keto I saw success in the first month like no other diet.

Except keto is basically telling you to stop eating bread, rice, and pasta

r78 well so does Atkins but that never really worked for me either. Keto is more about training your body to use fat instead of carbs. Atkins is more protein overload.

Tried it for a month. Didn't take a dump in a month. Nuff said.

It’s ridiculous to embrace a diet that discourages the consumption of fiber and nutrient rich fruits and vegetables while increasing the consumption of factory raised animal meat is sheer lunacy. It is also critical to note that farm raised animals are a significant contributor of green house gasses, not to mention the ethics involved in animal farming. You DL fatties will do well by eating a well balanced diet, focusing on portion control and regular exercise.

[quote] vegetables grow at all times of the year. WTF you talking about? Go ahead, eat your fruit. Who cares lol. Enjoy.

Fruits grow all year round too. When you live in a warm area, you see fruits, vegetables, and flowers all the time,

Long term meat is never good.

Doc just told me to lose weight. NO fruit juices ever. "Worst thing for losing weight". 3 pieces of whole/raw fruit a day is the limit. No rice, bread, pasta, potatoes, flour or refined sugar. No alcohol which I told him was unacceptable, So he said I could have a few vodka/sodas or tequila/sodas one day a week. He based this on my body and bloodwork and numbers. Always better to work with your trusted physician and not some quack diet guru. My brother has been going to this doc for 10 years and following the docs recos he has lost and maintained his ideal body weight and all of his numbers are in the healthy range. Has been off and stayed off the high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes meds. So I'd say I have a pretty good incentive to follow that path. To each his own. Some people are lucky and can eat all the carbs (I miss bread) they want. I am not so lucky.

[quote] well so does Atkins but that never really worked for me either. Keto is more about training your body to use fat instead of carbs. Atkins is more protein overload.

At their roots, Atkins and Keto are the same. Both replace carbs with fats and proteins

Our calories come from proteins, fats, and carbs.

All these diets center around reducing one of those three:

1. Reduce Carbs with Atkins/Keto/Paleo 2. Reduce fats with the traditional low fat diet 3. Reduce (animal) proteins with vegan diet.

In the end they reduce calories.

R80, you are supposed to eat vegetables on it. OMG.

Dr. Jamnadas is a cardiac surgeon. He has turned around MANY lives with his approach to low carb / Keto.

The saturated fat myth has been debunked many times over.

Says who r37? What medical source does this come from?

R89 WHAT???????

What source are you looking for? Fruit is full of sugar. Look at EVERY medical source. Jesus.

A fruitarian diet is VERY healthy.

Where does it say that fruits should only be consumed monthly?

R92. I am not your teacher. If you need info, google it. Fact is, fruit is NOT supposed to be eaten in large quantities. If you suspect that is not true, go learn

R92, nobody said "monthly".

Nature intended it as an annual treat. What fruit do you know grows in winter? Only reason you can eat it all year is bc of human intervention for profit.

Should say what fruit is ready in winter.

Those who speak of losing weight are fuglies who will never be any different,

Hot people speak of losing fat and increasing muscle mass..

Rice made all the people in Asia FAT

OP/mega thread poster fancies himself a preacher of a kind.

We always hear about "whole grain" diets being healthy, but even whole grains these days are not the same as those in the past.

R76 Keto worked well with weight training? I want to do this.

it's not really whole grain unless it is labelled 100% whole wheat. they can get away with a lot fake labeling these days.

R101, problem is, wheat is full of problems. It is not the same wheat from generations ago.

Weight loss is so basic.

Limit your food portions, stop eating when you’re full, and don’t eat if you’re not hungry. For exercise, just walk. I ate what I wanted to except red meat. (You’d be surprised how fattening red meat is.) I lost 30 pounds. It took longer, but I wasn’t obsessing over it. Be patient. It took a long time to gain the weight, and it took a long time to lose it.

I tried it and became lethargic from my decreased energy. It made my feel like shit and impacted hormones, My skin looked horrible.

R104 thats because you were dehydrated and low on electrolytes. Those 2 symptoms are tell tale signs. Bad breath other sign.

"Here's this trend that's been happening for the past five to ten years and I am just now noticing it!"

Don't ever change Datalounge.

R103- and no snacking between meals- that among other things helped me lose weight including weighing myself EVERY day

[quote]What fruit do you know grows in winter?

Florida oranges are plentiful from October through June, although the largest quantities are available from December through May. Fresh Florida grapefruit is shipped from September through June, with the height of the harvest occurring in February.

R108, yes. FLORIDA. Nature intended that due to the heat, and the need for fast glucose.

The OTHER part of the country......NO.

I tried Keto because I was having terrible bloating and GI issues. I'd read online that a low carb diet could help with that. I was skeptical, but after two days all my symptoms went away. I've stuck to it for over a year now because I don't want to go back to being miserable. I do mostly a Mediterranean diet version of Keto where healthy fats are my fat source (olive oil, avocado, fatty fish). I eat a lot of greens. I eat a lot of greens and some vegetables, but it can be limiting. For vegetables, it's mainly broccoli, cauliflower, Romanesco, fennel, zuchhini, summer squash, green beans, Brussels sprouts, red/orange/yellow peppers, etc. I still get a nice color variety.

For fruit, it's very limited. I eat mainly berries. I take a Keto-specific supplement to make sure I get all I need. I hit a plateau after about 9-10 months and hover around that weight. My numbers after being on the diet for a year were good. I had slightly elevated bad cholesterol from my prior physical, but I was still within normal range. My A1C, which was high end of normal at my prior physical, went down a lot and my doctor was super happy with that.

Overall, for the type of GI problems I was having, this diet was a good solution. I've adapted to it. I'm thinking of introducing more whole grains at some point, but we'll see if doing so makes the GI issues come back.

r85 not exactly true. There is a simple difference. Protein is broken down to be stored as fat. Fat cannot. The body will always choose, carbs, then fat, then protein. The theory is that if you limit carbs the body will switch to fats as a primary source due to carb starvation. Once the body goes to fat first, it will go to stored fat. Atkins focuses on protein in that protein is harder to break down to store as fat but eventually, the body will.

YOU CAN EAT FRUIT. You just have to keep your total carbs under a certain number. 20 for weight loss, more if you want to maintain. It’s individual, you figure it out.

Berries are the lowest in carbs. I like a fresh fig or some Granny Smith apple.

The whole goal is to use fat as your fuel.

There is nothing - no nutrient - in high-carb foods that can’t be found in low-carb foods. You can get vitamin A from a mango (high-carb) or spinach (low-carb). You can get vitamin C from broccoli or kale, not oranges.

Fiber from vegetables is just as good as fiber from grains. It’s

We need to eat like cavemen because we are.

How do those on Keto get enough fats while following the plan? That was my biggest problem. I would put MCT oil and cream in my coffee and use olive oil and vinegar on salads with avocado on it. Does anyone have any suggestions? I refuse to eat EVOO or mayo by the spoonful!

[Quote] What source are you looking for? Fruit is full of sugar. Look at EVERY medical source.

And fruit is full of fiber so all the sugar doesn’t affect you like sugar alone would

R104 wrong. I was not dehydrated and had my electrolytes tested. It was the food.

When I was on Keto I really did feel more energetic. Slept better too.

How about just not stuffing your fat whore faces, and do something physical, anything, other than clicking the remote.

Best way to lose weight is to keep a daily diary of everything you eat and its caloric value.

You'll soon wake up when by lunch you're already at 3000 calories.

They say people hugely underestimate their intake when they rely on their memory to recall what they had during the day.

R15, you are way off. Diabetics should NOT eat those carbs. At all. That is old timey brainwashed thinking.

Grains are not healthy. No man made processed carbs are. Even fruit ---more than one a day is not healthy. It is full of fructose. Guess where that goes? The liver. Nowhere else. And, the liver then turns it into fat for energy. If you don't burn it. Fat.

Eating too frequently is a killer too. Each time, your insulin shoots up.

All of these old timey thoughts is brainwashing.

Try watching Dr, Robert Lustig or Dr. Jamnadas.

The reason why America is full of diabetes and obesity is due to stupid theories started by Ancel Keys.

R116, you are wrong. You had NO idea how to eat and you felt like shit.

Try educating yourself.

Most ppl reading this right now probably have a fatty liver and are pre-diabetic.

For anyone that thinks carbs are good.

R115, you are wrong. It still has fructose, and the only way it is handled is via the liver. The amount of fiber does not matter. The liver handles it, turns it into fat for energy. So, if you eat too much of it, not only do you get FAT...but you can also get fatty liver disease, and the pancreas is effected.

Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer. That is not a coincidence.

You don 't necessary need to ingest fruit regularly. Most vegetables can provide you with even better nutrients that fruits can with little to none of the sugar. I've been on Keto for 9 months and lost 50 pounds. As a change of pace I have fruit twice a week as my dinner, either an apple or a banana.

r125, wow. Congratulations!!! That is really great. Were you on meds prior?

R123, summarize the video, please. Cant watch it all.

R127 dont eat carbs.

R128, I already know that about breads, rice, etc, but does he say anything about fruit?

Yes, R129. He says that they are full of fructose and having more than one a day at most is not wise.

Too many ppl are brainwashed by hype about how good fruit is, how bad sat fat is. Meanwhile, the truth is not even sought out by most bc its so much easier eating shit and blaming metabolic disease on chips and soda.

[QUOTE] How do those on Keto get enough fats while following the plan?

Fatty meats (try cooking a hamburger in bacon grease, it's wonderful), butter (dip your seafood in melted butter), full-fat cheeses (cheddar, swiss), cream cheese (especially in Keto cheescake.)

On my diet I get to eat as many Kalteen bars as I want!

Which will help reverse heart disease?

R133, since heart disease is basically the last symptom of metabolic disease, and most metabolic disease is caused by insulin spikes...what do you think would help?

You could have just answered the question R134 and not been a cunt about it.

R135, I am sorry. I thought that you were being sarcastic. I really do apologize for the cunty response.

I always want to try but cutting down carbs part is too much of a trouble.

That's alright it's hard to tell the intent on DL sometimes.

R137, watch the doc, it will serve as an inspiration.

Just eat a few almonds whenever you feel faint.

Most of the weakness is due to lack of electrolytes/h20.

Walnuts though? They are spectacular. Seem carby and full of good shit.

Nuts are my weakness.

So are walnuts, almonds and macadamias.

I lost 45 lbs eating dirty Keto. I've kept it off for three years, even during Covid.

The best nuts to have on Keto are: Macadamia, walnuts, pecans, brazil nuts, hazelnuts, pistachios and almonds. For seeds, Pumpkin seeds are best. Also add chia seeds and hemp seeds to foods and salads.

Thank you, R131. That is very helpful. I've tried Keto but, according to a Keto app I had downloaded, I was eating too much protein and not enough fats.

I do love butter on steak and with crab and lobster. Like my grandmother, I keep bacon grease on hand for cooking eggs. I've never tried it with a hamburger. I also read an article that suggested eating sausages.

I've tried several different no carb/low carb breads and they were pretty awful. I can't remember the brand (647 maybe?) that sells bagels. The fuckers didn't even toast in the toaster! For me, no bread is better than that shit.

R145 I recommend Dave's Killer Bread, but only the red labelled "Powerseed" one, which is low in carbs and sugar (carbs 18 - fiber 4 = 14 net carbs per slice). It's a bit pricey but it's tasty and it should last at least one week unless you freeze it. Most supermarkets carry it now.

15 years ago this was simply called "low carb diet" and was all the rage. After the housing crash and financial markets collapsed in 2008 it fell out of favor for a while then resurfaced as "Paleo" and "Keto" and people thought they invented some magical new way of eating.

R147, low carb/Atkins was more protein as the focal point. Keto focuses on fat being your primary source of sustenance.

Eating zero carbs for too long give you swampass. Google it.

[quote]fruit has the fiber that prevents all the fructose from being released in your body at one time (unlike in a diet soft drink, for example).

Uh, R50....diet soft drink does not have any fructose in it, by definition. It has a sugar substitute like aspartame which has zero calories. It's not healthy, but it is not fructose so your example makes no sense.

People who follow these type of diets, usually try to compensate for some really unhealthy habit like smoking or regular drug/alcohol benders.

Can you do Keto as a vegetarian?

R152 here's what to do: go to this site: www.google.com. There's a little search box where you can put in this term: "vegan keto". Then press the little button that says "google search". Then like magic a bunch of answers appear! Right in front of your eyes!

You can, but it's much more difficult.

Stick it in your search box R153.

R153 If you're a vegetarian or vegan, if you become a pescetarian it's easier because you're getting the protein with the omega 3 fats. I was vegan and decided to include healthy fish (salmon, sea bass, mackerel) when I went keto.

[quote]I was vegan and decided to include healthy fish (salmon, sea bass, mackerel) when I went keto.

Sounds pricey.

Once or twice a week is not pricey. Also I keep a few cans of canned wild salmon for when I don't have time to cook and want something healthy. Wild Planet is a good brand.

For all the naysayers saying eat less, for some people keto works and for some it doesn’t. If you are heavier than you want to be try it and see if it’s for you. Also, nobody needs fucking five pieces of fruit a day… keto or not.

Keto is just another kind of calorie restriction. There's nothing special about it otherwise.

What was the name of that weird longevity diet some people were doing that looked like near starvation?

is keto or atkins better or are they basically the same?

R149, nope. I don’t get any gas on keto. When I fell off the wagon and ate bread and sugars, my belly swelled up and I had terrible gas. That stuff ferments in your belly and the biome in your gut is in shock. The beasties that live off sugar and carbs die off after a while and you get a whole new set of beasties.

After a week away from that stuff and my belly is flatter, and no more flatulence.

Another benefit of keto is YOUR TEETH.

If you’re not eating carbs, there’s no sugar stuck to your teeth. There’s no starch that turns to sugars. The chemical composition of your saliva changes. Is spinach or cheddar cheese going to give you cavities?

My teeth never have that furry film or plaque on them. And gum inflammation is gone.

Keto is healthier because you are supposed to eat healthier fats and proteins. Atkins is basically just avoid carbs and sugars

I did a whole 30 elimination diet to figure out food intolerances and at the beginning I felt like all I was eating was meat and fat. It was disgusting. I felt like I wss oozing meat fat from every pore.

R149 Yes, and eating sugar and 300 grams of processed carbs a day gives you gas, bloat and another form of swamp ass

If you are doing keto with whole foods, it’s very healthful; leafy greens, cruciferous vegetables, salmon, avocados, etc. No doctor would look at that diet and say “you have to add some bread to that diet!”

Lots of people get hung up on making substitute desserts and breads and it gets cultish and expensive.

It’s a way of eating that helped control blood sugar before injectable insulin. My great grandmother was a Type 1 diabetic who lived to be 86, born in the 1880s. My mother remembers that she allowed herself one piece of chocolate on Christmas Day, but otherwise followed an extremely spartan diet. This is how people had to eat if they wanted to survive. It’s not some newfangled fad.

Bump. Keto rocks. One of my big boned friends, she recently like 30lbs in 2 months. And of course does wonders for my natural swimmers build.

I also do keto not just for physique but also health and energy levels. It's like always around with a slight high.

How does the fact that fruit only grows in one season indicate we shouldn't eat it more than once a year? Vegetables grow in one season without humam intervention, does that mean we should only eat it once a year?

R170 whose comment are you referring to?

R37, R171

I lost 40lbs in 4 weeks. It worked but I found for me it was unsustainable for the long run. I like to take a dump more than once a week. Three raspberries for dessert is not living IMO. Went back to the gym instead put back 10 lbs but it was muscle and I can have my rye toast at breakfast and I'm regular.

I've always had horrible triglycerides (like 500 to 600) and the last fasting blood sugar test I took was 112 and I freaked out.

So I'm keto. To figure out how the fuck to make it work, I buy those Libre sensors you stick in your arm and monitor my blood sugar almost all the time.

Maybe when I learn, I'll quit with the sensor - $200 per month, and about 20% of the time, I'll inject one and it will quit working before the full 14 days.

Anyway, I really believe in very low carbs. (My weakness is buying crap synthetic mess like Atkins chocolate shakes, Lily candy bars, Quest keto cookies and no-sugar ice cream.). When I'm not being lazy, I love chef salads and beef/veg soup. Add some plain cheese or nuts or even Fairlife lo-sugar milk, and I'm set.

Oh and like the Atkins mess, I found this company called Netrition and they have small melba toast things that are like crackers - taste like crap but I can tolerate them with something spread on top - mayo, cream cheese, peanut butter.

Oh and I found a recipe for very low carb cheesecake -- you crush almonds for the crust (mixed with butter), blend two packs of cream cheese with four eggs plus stevia & lemon juice, bake in a glass pie plate for 30 minutes at 350 degrees and that is HEAVEN. (if you're sugar's ok, you can make a fruit topping with berries & stevia cooked together)

Sorry to go on and on - this has really become an obsession for me, but I believe in it for health reasons.

* If YOUR sugar is ok... why do I always fuck up something. But I do think I found the diet for me for life. Bye bye potatoes, bread, pasta, rice and all other grains.

Ok nevermind a lot of vegetables grow are best in winter. Not that I eat much fruit anyway, so I certainly don't need to cut back on it.

I'm on my third year of keto - it's very easy once you are used to it and I don't get cravings for stuff I can't have.

Keto diet is very hard on your kidneys. And you know what, I am fucking sick of all these "magic " diets. Just watch your portions and be sensible. Eat chicken and fish, beans, whole grains, use olive oil, 0% fat plain yogurt and put your own fruit in it. Eat some oatmeal and stop drinking too much alcohol. Drink more water, and try to get in at least 30 minutes of aerobics, every other day, and free weights and resistance training every other day. (alternate.) It is not difficult. Eat more vegetables and less fruit. When you're trying to lose weight orange juice is not your BFF. Eat health snacks. Did I mention portion control? I'd rather eat four or five times a day than gorge myself. And I definitely don't eat meals after 7 PM. Tonight I had a bowl of Lentil Soup. When I know I'm going to eat late, I try to eat my biggest meal for breakfast or lunch. Once you get in the habit, you will be pleasantly surprised at how good your feeling. And BTW: If Nancy Pelosi could raise five kids, 9 grandchildren, run for COngress, serve as Speaker for 20 years, and still manage to exercise 45 a d ay every day, do not tell me you don't have time.

People just need to have some common sense. If you don't like eating a lot of meat, then don't. But also don't shovel mashed potatoes and potato chips into your gob. Eat plenty of vegetables and salads. Beware of avocado--it's healthy but super-fattening. Low-fat cottage cheese is an excellent between-meals snack. If you like your wine, whiskey, etc., you'll have to be disciplined and cut back. Don't eat heavily late in the evening. Goat cheese is healthier and less caloric than cow's milk cheese,

Unless you're eating plasticky pre-made stuff, keto is bascially just protein, dairy, eggs and lots of vegetables.

How is that unhealthy? What benefits do bread and starch give you?

I've been on Keto for two years. It's helping me reverse my diabetes. I take a week long break from it every three months and eat what I want and don't gain weight. I eat a lot of vegetables and very little meat. You find a balance when you do it long enough.

There may be genetic differences in the way people's bodies process foods - and also genetic tendencies to be leaner or fatter. Which may mean that keto is the perfect diet for one person but not a good idea for another. Maybe we'll learn to "type" people with a blood test, but in the meantime, you can keep track of your blood pressure, blood sugar, and lipids and if they're good, you're ok. And avoid obesity - though there's controversy about whether "overweight" (bmi 25-30) is actually harmful. Some studies suggest the "overweight" live longer than the normal (19-24 bmi) and a good bit longer than the underweight (bmi less than 19)

Link: "Scientific American" article about a Danish study where the results were that overweight people live longer than normal or underweights.

[quote] fruits are not "nothing but sugar". There is fructose, but what the fuck did you learn THAT? Fruit is not unhealthy.

Fruit can spike your blood sugar making you hungry.

[quote] Keto diet is very hard on your kidneys. And you know what, I am fucking sick of all these "magic " diets.

Another idiot who fell for the food pyramid bullshit brought up you by lobbyists for corporations and the same people who said smoking was healthy. You’re a moron, dear.

The Keto diet goes back a century. It was used to control seizures.

Keto can make your more prone to kidney stones, but only if you over eat on protein and salt, rather than a balanced diet with lots of veges. If you do it properly it's been show to reduce existing kidney disease.

There are lots of people who think they can eat tons of bacon and butter and they're doing "keto" but that's just an excuse they make up to eat badly. Keto isn't non-stop bacon and butter.

Using the blood sugar sensor in my arm, I've learned that I do ok with very green bananas (which I happen to prefer anyway) - and also strawberries, especially if they're just barely ripe. One raw apple or pear (and maybe peach if not overripe) is ok, as well.

Forget grapes, melons, tropical fruit - but I can do all berries, if I keep it to a half cup max (well, I can eat a lot of semi-ripe strawberries and do fine)

R174, I found a low carb, no bake cheesecake recipe. It's similar to your but without the eggs. The lemon juice makes all the difference, IMO.

I became poor and started eating pasta. I also stopped taking adderall 4 weeks ago. Fast forward to now and I am 8-10lbs heavier. I need to get back to the keto mindset. Its hard now; I think we, collectively, have gone so long living in the mode of numb survival that we lack the energy, excitement and discipline it takes to shape a new lifestyle. At least I know this is the issue with me.

Americans may not be starving but the food the country has in mass supply is pure crap.

R190, I'm right there with you. The 'fun' of starting a new eating plan (never say diet!) is lost for me. I used to have fun tracking my food (WW app or FitBit app) as it kept me accountable. Somewhere in 2020, I stopped tracking my actual portion sizes but still tracked the food. As the weight crept up, I stopped tracking altogether.

The only thing keeping me mindful is a looming doctor's appointment in May or June of this year. I have got to lose 30 -35 pounds by then. Not for her, but for me. I know I can do it.

A year ago I decided do a change of lifestyle and go on Healthy Keto diet. I went from 185 lbs to 157 lbs. I feel better than I have in over 20 years.

I’m nearly 70 and have followed a kind of keto diet for many years. I eat meat, fish, full fat dairy, large quantities of green and leafy vegetables, and fruit—but try to limit them to lower glycemic kinds like berries. I lost nearly 70 pounds and am now slender, My lipid levels are exceptional. I don’t consume so-call keto junk foods or fat bombs, because I find they put on weight. I also avoid artificial sweeteners for the same reason. I do consume stevia in the mct creamer I put in my coffee. I recognize metabolism varies, but grains and flours even whole grain, almost immediately impact my appetite and weight. Gary Taubes, a science writer with a degree from MIT, has several books and a website, which are science based and informative.

R193 and R194, thank you, seriously, for the information and encouragement. I'm going to try to get back to on a healthy Keto plan.

The keto diet is miraculous for a friend of mine, he's diabetic and when he sticks to keto his blood sugar normalizes, his cholesterol drops, he loses weight, he looks 10 years younger, etc.

When I do the keto diet nothing happens! I don't lose weight, my labs stay where they were, and I crave bread all day. I honestly think that people have varied responses to the keto diet, that it works wonders for some metabolisms and not others, that some even need it to be healthy.

Keto isn't right for everyone. That being said, my brother had the same problem and it was because he didn't track the food he was eating, so although he was eating keto-friendly food - his portion sizes meant he was eating too many carbs and calories. He didn't want to try tracking, so he just gave up. If you decide to try again, maybe use an app and see how much of each category you are eating. I did it for the first month when I was starting out but now I don't need to.

R197, then he wasn't eating keto friendly if he was consuming too much carbs. First of all that phrase is relative, if you decide to eat a keto friendly alternative to something heavy in carbs with EVERY meal how are you reducing carbs. I'm guessing, he isn't slow? In the beginning you can eat as much as you like, as long as it's fat and not carbs. You will lose weight. It may cap and for you to reduce more, you have to reduce calories. Something is missing here. And eating as much as you like doesn't mean eating 3 steaks for breakfast, lunch, and dinner unless you are a highly physical person. I think that should be common sense. Going on keto doesn't mean being a fkin gluten and eating double the amount you ate before.. it means you can still eat a whole lot, like most Americans do, as long as it's in fat and protein, not sugar and carbs. Your body starts to burn it so fast because of ketosis.

If you are going to have bread on Keto, don't do it more than twice a week. Avoid the common processed breads including those from bakeries. Buy only whole grain bread that have minimal added sugar and are high in fiber. The two best breads on the market that fit that description are mainly two brands; Dave's Killer Bread and Ezekial. The below linked Powerseed is the best on the best for sandwiches.

Avoid potatoes, pasta, rice, and all baked goods. Avoid sugars and processed sweeteners. Monk fruit and Stevia and the best natural sweeteners. Use extra virgin olive oil or avocado oil which are high in Omega 3 fats and avoid canola and all other vegetable and seed oils which are high in Omega 6 fats with are very inflammatory and increase bad cholesterol.

No, he's not slow - i think he's just a bit of a glutton and wants an excuse to overeat. He saw my results (I'm on year 3 now) and kind of kids himself that he can do it, but some people just can't. He would also do "cheat days" every week and think it was fine even though I never do that.

I don't think he'll be successful at any diet/improved way of eating.

[quote] If Nancy Pelosi could raise five kids, 9 grandchildren, run for COngress, serve as Speaker for 20 years, and still manage to exercise 45 a d ay every day, do not tell me you don't have time.

Mary! I didn't know Nancy Pelosi raised 9 grandchildren. A role model for us all.

I will read this after my panini sandwich is done.

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I did it to lose weight for an event for a little over a month about a year ago. It absolutely worked, and I felt/looked great while I was on it, and have kept most of the weight off. However, every time I try to get back on, I find myself unable to stick to it for more than two days.

Use your heads. Eating lots of red meat, especially processed meats like bacon, is extremely unhealthy. You might be able to lose weight, but you’re doing damage to your cardiovascular system, organs, and increasing your cancer risk.

Any diet that decreases fruit and vegetable consumption and increases red meat consumption is dangerous

Nail polish breath is SO attractive!

A real ketogenic diet that can be effective in treating refractory epilepsy in children is pretty much no carbohydrate, requires urine monitoring to demonstrate ketosis and is very hard to to follow without training by dietitians and nurses who specialize in the treatment.

The “keto diet” most of you are familiar with is really a low carbohydrate diet- more or less a hybrid of the low carb Atkins diet that has been around since the 1960s.

All fad diets like keto induce weight loss by cutting out a large food group leading to lower calorie intake. When it is stopped the person returns to their former eating habits and gains back lost weight.

The real solution is to take a hard look at the reasons/behaviors for over eating and try to modify them. It’s incredibly difficult for most people to do this- easier to use a trick for while- but only a short term solution for most.

It absolutely works but with some caveats.

Pros: weigh loss, never feeling hungry, more energy, clearer thinking.

Cons: requires commitment, requires judicious planning, it's almost impossible to be flexible with eating (so no spontaneous eating out).

My major negative was that it can be really hard to come back to if you get thrown off track. I was doing really well, seeing major progress but one family visit and I'm thrown off track for a few days and found it nearly impossible to get back on track again. a few months later all my gains were gone and I'm back where I started. So, upshot is IT WORKS BUT IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE LONGTERM* and there's the rub.

*without laser focused commitment.