Reverend Rutledge's window

Windows? Where’s the toilet?

Should the P&G soaps have tried to intertwine their worlds more?

R2 No. Successful crossovers are rare on TV in general, and especially in soaps. The AW characters who crossed over to ATWT pissed off both AW and ATWT fans.

Bea Reardon has died.

I think the AW/ATWT crossovers would have worked if Jensen and Anna were sticking around. Bringing those characters over only to kill off Vicky, and then Jake, was the dumbest thing ever.

Oh no, Lee Lawson....that's sad.

R2, I would have settled with them telling great stories with compelling characters played by compelling actors.

I would have made every P&G writer who came on board watch Doug Marland's ATWT 1986-1990.

I hated ATWT's finale; no Martha Byrne back as Lily. No happy ending for Lisa, the vixen who paved the way for all the others.

No Penny. No Ellen. I did think it was nice there Margo (I think) made some references to Bay City and Springfield in the final episode.

[quote]I hated ATWT's finale; no Martha Byrne back as Lily. No happy ending for Lisa, the vixen who paved the way for all the others. No Penny. No Ellen. I did think it was nice there Margo (I think) made some references to Bay City and Springfield in the final episode.

Don't blame me for the mess that was ATWT finale. I only had eight months to prepare to end the show.

Alice Horton had a lookalike in Oakdale who was Penny Hughes Baker's mother-in-law. There was also a look alike in Monticello who was the mother of Nancy Karr. Then all of a sudden she changed her looks to resemble Kate Martin from Pine Valley.

Later in her run, they wrote Bea as rather grasping rather than the strong woman she was oirginally. She was a younger version of Mona Kane, Ada Davis, Virginia Dancy and Liz Foster, dealing with a daughter who wanted more than what life had handed her in an often amoral way. I love how she'd tell Nola off but quickly forgive even if she didn't forget. By the time Chelsea came on, she had lost that spirit and was a bit of a ditz. The one episode I've seen of her as Wanda Wolek is quite good and she was a great replacement for Marilyn Chris.

My poor Bea Reardon. Sad. Life is really kicking us in the balls this past year with GL deaths.

Did Rev. Rutledge see the pendulous one through his window?

R12 Lord, You couldn’t miss that anaconda!

R12 Unfortunately not. Bert Bauer's leg of lamp hid the view.

Bert’s leg lives on in all of us.

Meta, you old whore. I'm gonna kick you in the cunt!

Bert, you wish you were an old whore. .I've heard how you are gold the young men running around in their Speedos, even those who obviously were not into old fish or any kind of fish.

Ogled.....

I knew there'd be cunt-kicking in this thread!

Just popping in to show you bitches how it's really done.

I walked by Rev. Rutledge's window and he told me to go out behind his house.

By the way, what's a glory hole?

[quote] I did think it was nice there Margo (I think) made some references to Bay City and Springfield in the final episode.

We were not only saying goodbye to the residents of Oakdale in that final ATWT episode, we also were saying goodbye to the entire P&G universe. That was the very last time any P&G characters have ever been in a new episode of a show.

Stop, r21, you are going to make me cry.

P&G shows truly died the day they stopped calling it THE Guiding Light.

R21, Stephen Schnetzer played a character called Dr. Cass Winthrop in a couple of episodes of Homeland (Showtime).

Did Cass have an unused medical license we didn't know about? I know I'm reaching. I just like to think of the shows and characters as living on, despite us not being able to watch.

Just another case of a casting director who is a soap fan, I guess.

Stephen and Nancy have been divorced for a long time now. Clean up your nasty old dish rag, Ada or I’ll kick you in the cunt.

Aunt Lez, it's been a minute since I've had a good long orgasm.

Kick away, gurl.

After 25 years as matriarch of the Snyder family, Emma was never seen again.

I was only a baby when it was cancelled but, after watching many episodes on YouTube, I will forever feel that Edge of Night was prematurely end. It had that special niche among the soaps.

Of any of the P&G soaps, Edge would likely be the easiest to revive. It would have made a great late soap night. Still could.

In fact, several years after its cancellation in Dec. 1984, the USA cable channel ran repeats of Edge of Night at 12 midnight. Those repeats started with late 1980 episodes as I recall.

Those episodes got decent rating, at least for a cable channel in the mid 1980s. In fact, after Search for Tomorrow was cancelled in Dec. 1986, USA started airing Search repeats at 12:30 a.m., after the Edge repeats.

Days should bring Stephen Schnetzer back as Julie’s devious brother Steve, with a couple of kids in tow.

r30 Days made mention of Steven Olson's son Spencer several times in the early 1990s, presumably preparing to bring a new young character on. But show apparently changed its mind as Spencer Olson obviously never made it to Salem.

Oh excuse me...

I forgot how much those Alice's donuts make me fart.

[quote] Of any of the P&G soaps, Edge would likely be the easiest to revive.

ATWT would be a snap. You have three Hughes boys, Jack and Carly's kids, Lily and Holden's kids, and Andy's daughter as a core. Retire everyone older than them and have some of them have had kids in the interim and mix them in with a kid from Chris and Katie.

r31

I think he was mentioned fairly recently as well

Guiding Light would be easy to revive. Those core families are rock solid and appealing. And there were lots and lots of kids. Plus, the history!

[quote] Plus, the history!

Well...if you think GL starts in 1982, then yes. I always cringed at mentions of Lewis and Shaynes as core families, when characters like Hope and Rita were completely forgotten.

I 💟 Otalia.

If we have to find a new home, we need to make sure both Aunt Liz and Ada's Dish Rag are there to keep us all in line!

[quote] Of any of the P&G soaps, Edge would likely be the easiest to revive. It would have made a great late soap night. Still could.

One hundred percent agree, Liz.

I'm actually surprised no one has tried. It would make a great syndicated soap, or a late night kind of thing. And it needs to keep the fabulous theme music, too.

Edge of Night (they dropped The in 1983) has been off the air for almost 40 years. No one fucking cares about reviving it. Especially P&G, the owners. It’ll never ever happen. Ever.

Is DL really going away?

Where you go, I will follow, my fellow Datalounge Refugees. My dishrag is always at the ready, bitches!

All of these classic shows should be revived - far worse dreck is gets airtime these days. I am really interested in Days and success they might be having with Beyond Salem as short arch mini-series. I know All My Children and One Life to Live tried going streaming, but I think they tried too hard to follow the more traditional daily show model rather than how people follow streaming series. I think they ran new shows Monday to Thursday. There are a ton of streaming options now and if they brought the shows back and followed the streaming model it might work. All the shows did not have to return at the same time - maybe one a quarter. You don't need a huge cast or extravagant sets - just tell the story.

I like the idea of four half hour episodes a week, and an omnibus over the weekend or something.

Prospect Park fucked some things up but I also liked the idea of the weekly show talking about the shows. I could see that being an interesting thing, especially if older stars were featured.

The greatest cunt kicking came about in 1976 in the scene between Liz and Olive where Luz gives Olive the stank eye and goes out of her way to make her feel uncomfortable with her presence. "Go about your work" Irene Dailey says, and this is her at her most Audra Lindley like. If ever she was close to Phoebe Tyler in bitchiness and superiority, this is it. 30 minutes in.

The greatest cunt kicking came about in 1976 in the scene between Liz and Olive where Luz gives Olive the stank eye and goes out of her way to make her feel uncomfortable with her presence. "Go about your work" Irene Dailey says, and this is her at her most Audra Lindley like. If ever she was close to Phoebe Tyler in bitchiness and superiority, this is it. 30 minutes in.

The P&G gals had to blow for their cars to start. More DUIs than Emmys. Meanwhile, Helen W. never tired of her usual vinegar cocktail.

I wish the insipid fan gurl soap press would stop using the IMDb as a reference. They don't realize that the soap credits are very incomplete, listing John Aniston as being in one episode of Love of Life when he was on the show for three years and on the 1st Soap Opera Digest cover. For Lee Lawson's obituary, they indicate that she appeared on 30 episodes of Love Of Life in 1965 when she was on a lot longer. They also say she had a minor role on One Life to Live in 1979. She played Wanda Wolek from 1977 to 1979. A little bit more searching for details would be appreciated!

Yeah, IMDB is woefully incomplete.

The IMDb issue is understandable since most soaps were wiped. Denise Alexander said in an interview that her episode counts for AW are much higher than GH and that's obviously because of the SoapNet reruns. Obviously "The Doctors" has more accurate counts only because of the reruns. Too bad there aren't more individual soap history sites. Bad journalism, even for frivolous stories, just bothers me.

That koo koo weirdo Kookoosadora over at SON constantly quotes Imdb. She’s such a whacko. Serial Scholar hates her. As does Vee, who’s in the biz.

R51 they’re all psycho, and they’ve been having the same conversations on repeat for about 15 years now. We’d never do that at DL.

Doesh Imdb pagesh lisht DUIsh?

*clearing the air*

Great to see Jennifer Leak as Olive once again as part of those clips r46 posted.

That's a villain that should have come back to town. She could have stalked Alice and/or Pat at some point down the line. However, as we know, show wrote both Alice and Pat out in the early 80s,

With Olive's ex-husband John Randolph presumed dead, her other ex-husband Raymond Gordon off the show and her cohort in crime Willis Frame off the show by the early 80s as well, Olive had no other connections to the canvas. So would have been difficult to bring her back.

Another mention of Lee from ET Online.

This was Lee in an early episode of Maude - about 6-7 years before she played Bea. She was 32 here and not quite 40 when she played Bea.

That wouldn't be the first time only a few years separated on screen parent and child(ren)!

Jake and Vicky being endgame should’ve never happened. He raped her sister.

R58, I never believed Vicky would have forgiven Jake for that. Never. At least not Anne Heche's Vicky. She would have been trying to de-ball Jake every time she saw him!

I hated that story. Jake was a lot of things, but I never understood why the writers turned him into a rapist. Jake had come up tough; he'd always found himself in desperate moments and situations. He generally kept a cooler head. He was a schemer.

That said, the Who Shot Jake? storyline was killer. Loved seeing suspects Vicky, Marley, Donna, Iris, and Paulina circling him before and after the shooting, each woman with her own axe to grind.

Bea Reardon was truly the salt of the earth.

I wish Jo would pluck her guitar and sing something soothing.

Bea had the homliest daughters on soaps!

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Perhaps it was the character (Bea) I was reading, but I always thought Lee Lawson seemed gay.

I always liked Bea better than her doppelganger Emma. She was tougher and smarter than Emma. With Emma you knew exactly where Iva got her mopiness.

[quote]I always liked Bea better than her doppelganger Emma.

Huh???????????????????????????????????

Bea looked nothing like Emma.

They played similar functions as matriarchs of their respective large family of wannabes, but they looked nothing alike.

R66 I think that's what R65 meant - that the families and characters were somewhat similar.

Though Iva was about as unlike Nola as one could be.

Right.

Bea = Emma

Maureen = Iva

Jim = Seth

Tony = Holden

Meg = Nola

Ooh, being in a Tony/Holden sandwich would be hot.

And in the category of added later

Chelsea = Jack

Pam Long never understood that WE wanted to see Homely Reardons and Fat Bauers on OUR TGL, THE Guiding Light.

Chelsea = Ellie

Bridget's dad = Caleb

Amanda = Lily

Morgan = Lily

Nola and Iva = Homely

Maureen = Fat

And of course

Alexandra = Lucinda

Fat Ed = Fat Nancy

Grant’s Pendulous Dong = Rex’s Pendulous Dong

Nein.

Grant's Pendulous Dong > anyone else's dong

TGL was THE soap if you love all things fat: fat soap names with THE in their name, fat characters like Fat Ed, and fat, long scenes. My life was never the same after soaps got skinny!

......

A reminder to block the mentally ill troll that continues to obsess over posters at other boards, show names, and things that may or may not be fat.

Turning to Agnes Nixon's writing for a moment ... in chronological (by writing, not airing) order, it's Erica & Mona = Rachel & Ada = Ava & Kate. My pet theory is that Carla & Sadie are the missing piece of the puzzle.

Fat Katie Parker was sent off to a fat farm. Skinny boy Floyd hooked up with ugly Nola.

Looking at these old episodes over the down of a few hours, it must've been a really boring life back then to watch these snail's paced shows every day. Every now and then there'll be some comic relief or a dramatic plot to liven things up, but in general, it was just boring episodes of lukewarm conversations, strange background music and eerie/comical looks into space as we go to commercial...

You were watching on a much smaller, much less clear screen, while you were feeding babies, folding laundry, etc. The whole experience was different.

*down=span

R86 I know you are right. It was a different time back then. Plus there weren't many channels with options for entertainment, so it's an "ignorance is bliss" situation where you're happy with what you have not knowing what else you could enjoy.

Alice Horton? We don't do NBC here.

Fat Bert Bauer was fun to watch. After Pam Long chopped her leg off and Bert got skinny, Bert was put out to pasture by Pam and Gail Kobe. They killed TGL.

Honey, I'm the OP of 90 percent of these threads, and have been since they first began.

I said Alice was a welcome guest in the intro and could bring her donuts. That, as they say, is that.

We do when NBC stands for Need Big Cock.

Interesting r83. I always thought Ava and Kate were Loving’s version of Bea and Nola.

That's a thing that I think most shows have been missing - the likable homewrecking, status climbing slut who really drives story.

Carly Tenney was the last one I can remember but based on this board's responses not everyone liked her.

Nola and then Reva did it for GL for years.

Ray Liotta, whose lengthy career included a stint as Maeve Kinkead's onscreen brother on Another World, has died.

Oh wow. Sad. He was really wonderful on AW. He had a good career afterward but never really became a big star.

R94 Rachel Davis was the prototype. I wouldn't say Lisa Miller, that character didn't grow up poor like Rachel.

R97 I mostly agree.....

Lisa wasn't rich, though. She was squarely middle class but she still wanted more. I think the income/class level isn't as key as wanting to break boundaries and go after what she wants for these characters.

Has anyone checked in on Vicky Wyndham? It comes in threes. Frist Lee Lawson, then Ray Liotta. Who’s next?

...................

It would be nice if Alan did a tribute to Liotta, he could have on Maeve Kincaid (Angie), Judith McConnell (Miranda) and Bradley Bliss (Kit, who goes by the name Diane Bradley these days).

I think poor Maeve is done with the memorials - she was on Lisa's tribute and poor JvD died days later.

It would also be great if literally anyone else in humanity hosted a show like the Locher Room. Have tried to be patient but Alan is just so terrible and not getting any better.

Tony Cummings and Kevin Conroy could also be on a Ray Liotta tribute.

There’s nobody else except Michael Fairman who does these, R102, and he seems to only know LA shows.

Muscle Mary Fairman only does the LA shows, yes.

Miss Michael Fairman is so masculine.

.......

Alan didn't watch AW and has always shown minimal knowledge of AW whenever its mentioned during an interview. He seems to know ABC soaps better than he does AW.

That said, I doubt he even made the connection between Ray Liotta's death and AW.

And even if he did make that connection, his lack of knowledge of AW and who Joey Perini interacted with would likely leave him unable to come up with a guest list to do a tribute. Maeve Kinkead would be the only person Alan knows who could give him an entree to some other AW actors.

His lack of knowledge of AW also would make it difficult for him to come up with questions to ask.

For some reason, Alan also seems to be ignorant of the existence of the Another World Home Page where he could get some background info on the characters.

And we know he only does the things he knows, or someone he wants to social climb with/for.

He cannot be bothered otherwise.

That creepy weirdo Vicky Fuckton is obsessed with Alan Locher.

The only Vicky we care about here is Wyndham.

Not to mention Vicky Hudson, Victoria Winters, Victoria Newman and Viki Lord.

What about me?

R36, the last time Rita was mentioned, I think, was when Ed squared off against Alan. 'RIta! is ancient history,' Alan snarked to Ed.

Hope was mentioned in the scene, too, and was many times mostly related to Alan-Michael; WHY Elvera Roussel wasn't brought back after Maureen died was beyond me.

Plop her down in the Bauer kitchen, she helps raise Michelle and reminds us that Alan's not all that bad.

Elvera apparently became ill at some point in the early 90s and, to be kind, was perhaps not camera ready at that time.

Lenore Kasdorf was still working, though. I still say she should have been Olivia's mother, with Olivia's paternity in question and Ed dealing with another woman (first Blake, then Olivia) who may or may not be his daughter.

R115, nothing wrong with looking a little matronly if you're stepping into the Bauer matriarch position.

I couldn't believe we didn't see Mattson back as Hope or essentially Gina Capwell when Jill was running the show.

Ellen Parker looks like she could play Ada in an AW reboot.

I'd need a dishrag in that photo to be sure, R117

She doesn’t have that Prison Matron vibe Connie gave off.

Connie always looked like she wanted to have Cecile and Blaine sprayed for lice.

[quote] she wanted to have Cecile and Blaine sprayed for lice.

Can you blame her?

Hiya Iris!

😨😨😨😨

Oh no! Vee, who’s in the biz, is cat fighting with that Kook over at SON’s Another World board. The claws are out. Vee, who’s in the biz, knows everything.

Trippy that Bev would be gone from the show a few short months later!

Vee, who is in the biz, runs everybody and everything away from SON.

Poor Bev was always overworked. She left Texas for the same reason as GL. Too much work. But then soaps were suddenly good enough when she needed a few days work on GH to keep her health insurance. SMH.

We don't care, Greg/g.

Whosh ready for happy hoursh?

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I wish some obsessive old gay Superfan would create the Oakdale or Springfield equivalent of the Another World Home Page

R123 catfighting about what?

Unfortunately, our obsessive superfan here is obsessed about seriously fucked up things.

That Eddie Druedingbat who has the AW homepage is a big ole queen. Nasty guy.

I never understood why ATWT had a character named Marcy Thompson in the mid-1980s and then another character named Marcy Breen in the early 1990s. Couldn't they have found another first name for the second character?

Actually, I always found it odd that soap towns only have one person by each name. I remember thinking how odd it was when Y&R had three Johns at one point.

[quote] catfighting about what?

Please don't encourage the mentally ill troll. Those people all post at Soap Opera Network's board and literally none of us here know anything about that board or its posters. If the loon poster wants to talk about those people he should do so **at that board**.

All of us here follow SON religiously. Some good snarking happens there and it is loaded with nutjobs. They discuss in depth why they changed The Guiding Light to just Guiding Light when fat Bert was on there.

Fat Ed Bauer had fat Rita. Rita got so fat but we knew it was because Lenore Kasdorf was pregnant in real life. Then Rita got skinny but Ed was still fat.

LOL, don't front - you are blocked at SON.

The “The” in Guiding Light was signified by Bert’s amputated leg.

From 1985 - When Vanessa was high on drugs and ran down a pregnant Reva with her car

Meryl Streep Talks About Her Sister-In-Law Maeve Kinkead

AW had John and Mike Randolph, and Michael and John Hudson.

ATWT had Ellen and Emily Stewart, and Ellie and Emma Snyder.

GL had Sara McIntyre and Sarah Shayne….

R141, that was great. Back when soaps had time and money to put into a set and stunt with Vanessa backing over Reva.

Nothing energizes a soap opera like loved ones racing to the hospital to check on someone.

Nurse Katie Parker (Denice Pense) wasn't on the show much longer but it was nice to see her. She started on the show way back when the Dobsons were writing it (I believe).

r130, there was something like that for Oakdale in the very early days of the internet. It was called "Emily Stewart's...something." I don't remember what.

[quote] That's a thing that I think most shows have been missing - the likable homewrecking, status climbing slut who really drives story. Carly Tenney was the last one I can remember but based on this board's responses not everyone liked her.

The only place Carly Tenney drove me was Llanview.

Vanessa running over Reva was a blatant attempt at character assassination for Maeve K. The writers wanted Vanessa gone. Maeve said she was quitting in 1985, then changed her mind when former Ryan's Hope writer, Mary Munisterrio started as the new writer. An influx of people who had left during Kobe/Long, started to return: Bernau, Simon, Aleksander, etc. I just remember how LOUD the show had gotten during Kobe/Long. I longed for the Dobson or Marland days, and not those dreadful hillbillies like the majority of the Lewises/Shaynes,

I hated how Vanessa was turned into a pathetically weak woman to service Reva’s storyline. Awful.

[quote] Ryan's Hope writer, Mary Munisterrio

Mary Ryan Munisteri was her name. She was the inspiration for Mary Ryan on RYAN'S HOPE and wrote for that show and others, including GL.

She just died earlier this year, and NYT has a wonderful piece about her.

[quote] Vanessa running over Reva was a blatant attempt at character assassination for Maeve K.

It was that storyline that won Pam Long her first Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Writing in a Drama Series

R150 whoever said they got that right?

when Bill Bell won for reals in 1992, he recounted the story of getting a phone call the next day telling him NATAS had screwed up and he had to give the Emmy back.

He said in 1992: "if my phone rings tomorrow morning, I ain't picking up!"

NBC: Vicky (Hudson) ABC: Viki (Lord) CBS: Vicki (Newman)

Wasn't there a woman writer named Labine who was well-known for soaps?

Claire Labine was a DISASTER at GL.

[quote] Wasn't there a woman writer named Labine who was well-known for soaps?

The show had so many fun moments.

80s Guiding Light was so much better than early 90s Guiding Light. Things got better by the mid/late 90s and into the early 2000s. Then it just got weird with Reva's deranged son getting screen time for fucking then falling for his cousin and then Reva's sister getting with Josh. I tuned out around that time.

Damn, look at the ass on Ross in that clip.

To be fair, if there was anyone on GL you'd want to get weird with, it was "Jash."

Jarsh!

Kristi!

Poor Kristi. She's seen things a woman ain't s'posed to see.

Kristi sounds like Park Overall now.

Johnny Bauer was the cure for insomnia but he got hotter as he got older.

Kristi said Kim was a bitch her first year in the Locker room podcast. Kim was not amused. She replied that she had to whip her into shape.

Kim said not terribly flattering things about Kristi before in an interview. I think as with the casting of Tom Pelphrey, she wanted someone else for Roxie.

I was surprised when they appeared together on the Locher room because I remembered Kim saying how undisciplined she was. In whatever interview that was years ago, she found a few ways to say THIS BITCH WAS COKED OUT OF HER FUCKING MIND without actually saying it.

Bless Kristi’s heart. She’s a total whack job. Roxie was her only good role and she screwed that up.

I was surprised how fit "Johnny Bauer" was in that video up above. That was some tight tee.

Johnny Bauer made me moist - down there.

R167 well after seeing that Locher reunion, I wouldn't say Kim was wrong. Kristi looked either drunk or on something. I also like the character of Roxie and find it strange that she never made a return to Springfield, but, unless they didn't want to recast, I can see how the actress was "undisciplined."

I think Roxie would have been a perfect character to recast. Why they never did is a mystery to me.

Chris Bernau is so.....so BUTCH in that video at R114!

Chris loved looking at Grant’s pendulous dong!

GRR WOOF

Charles Siebert the actor died....many knew him from Trapper John but this says he was on several NYC soaps....

That July 4, 1988 episode was fun. Interesting especially to see Jack and Lanie Bauer as Johnny's parents. They were very short-lived. And Meg Mundy (best remembered as Mona Croft on the Doctors) as Maeve's mother, Julia Stoddard.

This episode was during the middle of the writers strike, so it was written by scabs.

Jamie Goodwin DOES look damn good in that shirt.

Everyone looks good. Ross and his cute ass. Philip's long hair. Alan-Michael, of course. Hell, even Ed Bauer's looking good there.

Fletcher....eh, never thought he was hot.

Now both Connors and Davenport are deceased.

r176 IMDB says that Charles Siebert played the following soap roles

Search for Tomorrow --Dr. Peter Murphy, 1969 to 1971:

AW -- Dr. Stuart Philbin, 1972.

ATWT -- Dr. Wally Matthews, 1972-1974.

Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman -- Buzz MacGregor, 1977.

MARY!

I'm confused, was there a soap called Mary Hartman or did he play a trans?

There was a nighttime soap called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. It was somewhat of a spoof of soaps, as SOAP itself would later be.

Mary and her Waxy Yellow Buildup.

I wanted Waxy Yellow Buildup to be my drag name.

Debut episode

I'll have you know, I *never* had waxy yellow buildup.

Neither did I, but did Mr. Lemay care? No, he was all about those dirty-ass Frames, whose floors had nothing *but* waxy yellow buildup.

Only until Sharlene returned home in 1988, R187. The first thing she did after moving into that farmhouse was get down on her hands and knees to scour that dingy floor.

Hell no, honey! No hands and knees here! As soon as my hair came down I danced on that floor....even wiggled my ass all over it!

Far be it for me to make any snyde comments, darling, but If you really want to talk waxy yellow buildup, a certain farmhouse by a pond has plenty to spare. You can't help but notice all that yellow and wax on the kitchen floor while standing on the eavesdropping porch.

Leave it to that ole Lucy to gossip behind someone's back! That's what she and Johnny D are good for!

[quote] Far be it for me to make any snyde comments, darling

I see what you did there, Lucinda. It was sneaky and shady.

I applaud you.

I would imagine if anyone had waxy yellow buildup on her kitchen floor, it would be Reva Shayne Lewis.

And definitely her sister, Cassie Layne Winslow.

Oh yes, that low born gutter trash definitely does not keep a clean house!

That’s Shady Lane Winslow to you!

The only reason your penthouse is tidy, India, is because of that poor Ecuadorian immigrant you have chained inside your walk-in closet. Even hoity-toity Iris Wheeler wouldn't stoop that low!

How did they write off Bianca, Lucinda’s adopted daughter from Montega?

Lucinda sent her to scrub the waxy yellow buildup in her kitchen and she was never heard from again.

[quote] Even hoity-toity Iris Wheeler wouldn't stoop that low!

Vivien! That Hobson woman is here again. Please talk to her. Or the plants.

In any case....make her go away, Vivien, I've got a headache.

"STEVE FRAME IS DEAD???????"

Again?

Forget Steve, poor Frankie

But what about me? Why isn't anyone asking about me?

👏 Well, *I* have a question, Cecile.

When are you leaving?

I understand India Von Halkein was seen in Tanquir dining with the King while Cecile was in Bay City "visiting" with Cass Winthrop.

I was at Tops with Jamie Frame the other night.

For a man with so many wives, he had some very vivid descriptions of the endowments of Bay City's men......

Vivien, if you don't fetch your mistress right now, I'll cause a ruckus the likes that have never been seen in this town. I'll tell Iris everything -- EVERYTHING -- you told Alexandra Spaulding's maid, Vera, at last year's conference of MAID (Maids Administering to Imperious Divas).

Betcha didn't know I have friends over in Springfield, didya? Vera told me all about your boss and her icky, drunken crying fits because she's the one who should be with her "Daddy" instead of my Rachel.

So you get her, Vivien. Get her now. Tell Iris to pull on one of those flowy silken robes, march her little fanny in here, and face me like a woman .... a woman in love with her own father!

Was the Love Tower really an ideal place to cruise for tops?

I like blue.

I like boys

I like wine.

Honestly, Vera. Must you let EVERYONE in?

Oh, PEA-nut!

I wonder if the gays at Edge of Night hooked up with each other: 2 died of the "cancer"within a couple years of each other (Joel & Dennis) and one died from it less than ten years later and could've been living with it for a few years (Irving).

Joel Carruthers was hot and heavy with Velekka Gray,

[quote]MAID (Maids Administering to Imperious Divas)

- Is there a Mid-Atlantic chapter of this organization?

- Are manservants allowed membership opportunities?

- Might I substitute an imperious diva for a cantankerous old coot?

Manservant? We've seen you in a dress, Nigel.

River ruins everything.

River?

Vee, who’s in the biz, is getting annoyed by KookooNutsadora. She grates on everyone and Vee is snapping back. Stay tuned.

I started watching GL (having been an old die-hard OLTL fan) when flipping the channels Frank Dicopolous' body in a t-shirt caught my eye. Grant Aleksander looked intriguing but he didn't do it for me the way the young Frank did. There was an early Alan-Michael (Carl T. Evans) who was very cute. I did get swept up in some of the stories, but so much of it seemed silly (Reva and the Lewises, the royal family of wherever, the mob, clone Reva). I remember thinking Matt Boner was pretty hot -- oops, Bomer. But I never really got enough of Frank.

Forgive the ABC intrusion, but I'm suddenly fixated on a too good to be true (?) rumor: that Cameron Mathison and Josh Duhamel's friendship ended because one wanted to take part in a threesome and the other didn't.

Duhamel nixed the threesome with Mathison and his gf.

That's an old rumor.

[quote] River?

Jarsh and River!

Was Hilary Edson (Eve Guthrie) some big "get" when she signed with GL in 1992? Her storyline is about to begin and the show is filming her only from behind or from the chest down, allowing viewers to hear her voice but not see her face. Why are they treating her like she's Marlena Evans returning to DAYS after Dee Dee Halls' "Our House" stint?

This bitch was as dry as a bone on Another World and even drier on Guiding Light. Pretty and serviceable, but not an ounce of charisma to be found. Her scenes with Irizarry (another charisma void despite his looks, IMO) were like watching a blank wall.

[quote] Was Hilary Edson (Eve Guthrie) some big "get" when she signed with GL in 1992?

NO - Hilary Edson, Elizabeth Keifer and Fiona Hutchison were all considered for the part of Eve.

Hilary and Liz Keifer actually auditioned for the part - Keifer would later say she had asked Betty Rea if she could audition for BOTH Eve and the recast Blake part. Keifer wasn't thrilled about the Eve part, but used the opening to get the chance to audition for Blake. Needless to say she got the part

As for Fiona - Jill Farren Phelps set up a meeting with Fiona asking her if she was interested in joining the show. She had her choice between the 3 year contract "Eve" part or the 3 month role of Jenna, the jewel thief. Fiona liked the jewel thief role - and after a few episodes, JFP offered her a contract, as she saw expanded possibilities with the Jenna character,

Hillary Edson as Stacey Winthrop was horrible on AW. That Beauty and the Beast story they did with Stacey and Derek was garbage. What happened to that actor who played Derek anyway?

Hilary Edson was okay as a sort of "limp mop" character, a damsel in distress. She was OK on GH. But she was terrible as Eve. Whatever they'd anticipated with her casting, it didn't happen.

I loved the character of Jenna - I wish she hadn't been killed off so soon. Loved Jenna's scenes with Vanessa and, most especially, with Henry.

[quote] I loved the character of Jenna - I wish she hadn't been killed off so soon.

Well when Fiona voiced support for Michael Zaslow (after Paul Rauch fired him after his ASL diagnosis) - Paul Rauch killed off the character of Jenna. and Fiona found herself unemployed.

Rauch was such an evil cunt.

That should a thread -“Which actors hated Paul Rauch?” That list is long.

[quote] Well when Fiona voiced support for Michael Zaslow (after Paul Rauch fired him after his ASL diagnosis) - Paul Rauch killed off the character of Jenna. and Fiona found herself unemployed.

Fiona did this in the most public way - when Michael Zaslow went to One Life To Live. Fiona went to the OLTL fan luncheon (Zaslow was also present)

and she told the entire audience of One Life To Live fans that the entire cast of Guiding Light was behind Zaslow 100%

Shortly after that speech, Fiona character was killed off by Paul Rauch.

Which makes me thinks Rauchie had issues w/Fiona from before.

In other words: Fiona told him NO

I wonder if Michael O’Leary’s story about James Goodwin on The Locher Room is true-that he refused to sing a song Pam Long wrote on air and she retaliated by giving Johnny Bauer a brain tumor.

I think Goodwin himself said something like that years ago in an SOD interview so that might be true!

Ada and her dishrag have reported that Muriel stopped by to visit this thread.

So, feel free to move to this new one