Jordan Peterson - Being Fat Is NOT Beautiful

Being fat is good because it means you will die very young.

Who gives a fuck this pill-popping bitch thinks. A grown man who becomes addicted to Xanax can't be trusted.

He is correct. I became morbidly obese after a medical injury left me bedridden for six years. I lost pretty much all circulation in my legs and developed diabetes and other problems.

I hate when I see this fat acceptance nonsense. I do not accept the way I became and struggle every day to get back to some sort of normal life, now that the original injury has been corrected.

Don't care who hates me for saying that, but it's the truth.

R3 are you prepared to say that to any Bear to their face?

"Beauty" is in the eye of the beholder. Some people find fat people beautiful and are sexually attracted to them primarily BECAUSE they are fat. So his statement may be true for him, but it isn't true for everyone.

However, had he said "Morbid obesity is not healthy or sustainable and should be discouraged" he would have been correct. The problem with the "at acceptance" movement is that it goes too far and seeks to eliminate all negative connotations around being fat, even the ones that are objectively true.

No, people shouldn't be made fun of or harassed for being fat (unless they're into that sort of thing, and some are) but they also shouldn't be encouraged to be and to stay fat. Accepting your body at whatever size it is can be healthy for the mind and ego, but it doesn't mean ignoring the reality.

He really likes to hear himself talk.

I'll do what r3 is doing. As a Nobel Prize-winning doctor of fatology at the Mayo Clinic, I have a lot of impossible-to-verify insider knowledge. Fat people are icky and you should hate them.

R7 nails it.

[quote] Fat people are icky and you should hate them.

are you prepared to say that to any Bear to their face?

Canada’s favourite Russian asset should be pleased that McDonalds is pulling out of Putin Land permanently.

John Goodman was gorgeous fat. Now he looks like a cadaver. There are many examples of pleasingly plump people who look like the huge headed walking dead after losing weight. I’m not disputing the heath benefits, merely the aesthetics.

Alec Baldwin was cute on 30 Rock and he was a lil chubby.

Who is this crypt keeper Jordan Peterson? Has he looked in the mirror lately? Because he's not beautiful either.

Sure, target fat people. It's the last socially accepted "ism" - fattism.

Interesting that the two posters on this thread who vilified Fat people, when asked if they would say the same to any Bear to their face

They go silent

Because it was a stupid question R18

This is the post idiot OP neglected to link, I think.

Being a whiny, pill-popping, narcissistic hypochondriac is not all that beautiful either.

And then he responds to Vaush (who is also horrible) about it:

[quote] Because it was a stupid question

"There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers".

He is on some sort of manic tear right now, he has posted dozens of times in the past few hours. He used to make some sense but he turned into this far right, ranting and raving lunatic over the past several years. I think he's using again. Or perhaps this is what happens when you're a "dry drunk" ex drug abuser.

Whenever that caravan was blocking Canada roads he was in a SUPER manic phase, just tweeting vitriol and bile endlessly about how Trudeau was the antichrist Hitler reincarnation etc. Not just retweets, but constant ranting. He and a few other Canadian guys lost the plot during that.

FAT WHORES WILL NOT REJOICE!

What Eastern European clinic or faith-based rehab is he posting that from?

R12 I was making fun of r3 for saying something obviously untrue. To answer your question, yes I would call a bear fat if I felt like it. I'm not afraid of anyone and bears KNOW THEY ARE FAT. Fucking joyless, brain-dead scold.

[quote] Whenever that caravan was blocking Canada roads he was in a SUPER manic phase, just tweeting vitriol and bile endlessly about how Trudeau was the antichrist Hitler reincarnation etc. Not just retweets, but constant ranting. He and a few other Canadian guys lost the plot during that.

and he is the BIGGEST Booster of Pierre Poilievre to be Prime Minister

he just released a two hour video where the two of them talked about everything and anything

[quote] .I'm not afraid of anyone and bears KNOW THEY ARE FAT. Fucking joyless, brain-dead scold.

I don't believe you

[quote]Sorry (Being FAT) Not Beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that

Translation: "I can't jack off to that."

Who tf is Jordan Peterson?

Ladies and Gentlemen: The worlds most preeminent 'philosopher' will now rail against fatties for a few hours on twitter.

Our culture really is in decline.

We cant all subsist on beef alone Jordan.

Also... How has he not died of scurvy yet?

[quote] The worlds most preeminent 'philosopher'

Oh, thanks for that, R32! I had a long day, I can really use that chuckle right now.

You're just a piece of shit R27 who wouldn't know when something is genuine. Everything I said was absolutely true. Thanks for discounting the nightmare I've gone through.

Authoritarian tolerance?

Sure, Jan.

Fuck off.

No one likes being fat, including the fat MAGATS who want this country ran by an authoritarian fatso named Trump.

[quote] He is on some sort of manic tear right now

How do you pronounce this new slang word "tear" you're using, R24?

Do you pronounce this new slang word in public places or is it only silently used on Twitter?

You've never heard the word used that way before, R37?

R37 English, do you speak it?

P.S. pronunciation "tare"

R40, so you're saying this new slang word "tear" is pronounced like the verb "tear" but not like the noun "tear".

^ I guess you've never had a run or tear (noun) in your tights?

R41 check a dictionary, dear.

Dictionaries don't have pronunciation for slang words which are here today and gone tomorrow.

I sense the "wit" of the Gap Playlists guy.

r44 Its British slang you ignorant yank.

It’s not new slang.

It's 24 months old slang.

Remember when he wrote a book saying people shouldn't educate their daughters past high school and everyone bought his book and made him a household name and kissed his ass?

Peterson is such a loon, what a fucking idiot he is, just the worst!

Of course, he picks on a woman. I'd like to see him pick on some unruly fat guy, like Fat Joe or DJ Khaled. No balls on Jordan Peterson. People are desperate if they're looking to JP for answers. Yes, he was a pill popper who needed to go to Russia to some kind of detox that only the Russians know how to do.

R51 he picked on Vaush, who is an unruly fat guy.

[quote]at the Mayo Clinic

Is that Duke's or Hellmann's?

I would help if the picture that offended him so wasn't of an actually quite pretty plus size model.

I think he's jealous of anyone who can eat normal food.

I watched a youtube vid of this buffoon at one of those public debates.

The guy kept talking incomprehensively and manically waving his hands at the public, tangled in this own train of quasi-thought, couldn't finish a sentence without randomly skipping from topic to topic. It was a chore just to listen.

Obese vausch

He's definitely manic. Any armchair psychologists (or real ones) care to diagnose?

His voice is shrill. He reminds me of another Peterson, Michael Peterson from The Staircase.

Vausch is manic.

[quote] The guy kept talking incomprehensively and manically waving his hands at the public, tangled in this own train of quasi-thought, couldn't finish a sentence without randomly skipping from topic to topic. It was a chore just to listen.

But for some reason millions of young white guys see him as their messiah

Is his audience a political movement or just a fringe?

Imagine living with it.

R60 he made some sense years ago when he was just telling young men to make their beds every morning but since then has devolved into this manic, far right lunatic. The people who followed him likely made similar transitions.

That's why you don't have heroes. You've got to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Hasanabi joins in:

I don’t follow Peterson, but evidently he doesn’t know history. There were times when being fat, by present day standards, was the desired aesthetic.

R62. Anyone who actually read his book couldn't have taken him seriously even back then. Some of the most self-indulgent, pseudo intellectual trash ever. It was like something a teenager would write.

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Did you read the book, R66?

He just wants the model but knows she’d never give him the time of day.

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[quote] It was like something a teenager would write

Guess that explains why his audience is mostly young, white men

R65 There had to be a reason why all the 'authoritarians' of history (Popes, Kings, The Medicis etc) kept commissioning artists to paint fat women. It was only recently, and in the western hemisphere, that it stopped being considered attractive.

Jordo seems to think he's the only one immune to cultural influence. We all like what we're told to like. Thats why so many young incels like Jordan Peterson.

R68 I did. In fact I read both of them because I'm a fucking masochist.

[R36] I'll take fatso Trump over the demented fool living in the White House right now, any day.

Ugh, Hasanabi and Vaush are both awful.

Oh, Defuckto @R74, Trump is not the current POTUS. Are you on another drunken posting bender?

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Jordan is right. Americans are the fattest people on earth, with make them some of the ugliest.

Bring back fat shaming!

Jordan Peterson is a coke snorting meataholic who shilled a rug for thousands on his Twitter account. He's annoying, argumentative, and intolerant of any criticism - as Ivan said, the dude has a dark knight complex. The fact that thirty-something Incels flock to him is disturbing.

R78 How dare you apply your Eurocentric concepts of beauty to the rest of the earth!

[quote] meataholic

And not in a good way.

[quote] Jordan is right. Americans are the fattest people on earth

Jordan Peterson is Canadian and tweeting from Canada

R77 the thing that's funny is that there is significant overlap in the type of people that Vaush, Hasanabi, and Peterson appeal to.

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The horseshoe therapy puts them all very close together, r84. Hasanabi is very, very self-righteous in his views, just like the other two, as well.

R83 They do seem to attract fat dudes to their fanbases. Ironic.

Peterson lives in a glass house like we all do. The Cathy Newman thing was just part of his theater of the grotesque. He looks for opportunities to play up his authority and put his various imaginary villains in their place. Fundamentally I think he has a persecution complex.

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Have we talked about the fact that Jordan Peterson is probably gay? And that his daughter has sucked more sausages than Joey Chestnut? He's obsessed with talking about men and what makes them masculine. He's focused on the Greeks and Romans too. It just makes sense.

R88 they all have extreme views. They hate each other because they are alike in a lot of ways and don't want to admit it.

R89 I don't think he's gay, nor would we want to claim him.

R89 that actually... Makes a lot of sense. He has all the markers of a self loathing gay man.

I wouldn’t be upset if he ODd.

[quote] Have we talked about the fact that Jordan Peterson is probably gay?

He does ping, actually.

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I wouldn't trust Peterson to tell me if it was day or night. He's worthless, worse he's twisting minds and drawing people down the path to right-wing fascism.

R92 You'd better hope he doesn't of he'll become a martyr and an actually religion might spring out of his cult.

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R97 They'll say the Cultural Marxists drove him to it.

R3, there is a difference between appearance and a health condition. Congratulations on losing the weight, but if we were so harsh on everyone who hadn't handled their health issue perfectly, it would apply to most people at some time and not be helpful at all. It's no different from those with inherited wealth looking down on those who haven't made it, saying it shows they aren't worthy. You can appreciate your accomplishment without trashing someone else. Beauty is an esthetic concept and maybe overweight is not appealing to you because of your own past. But moving past something that isn't appealing rather than trashing them is still the better option.

R90 Never said I wanted to claim him. I just put 2 and 2 together and it came out gay.

75% of the thread poll respondents agree that fat is not beautiful. That reflects reality and the actual sentiment of DL.

He doesn't ping to me really, I think if anything he's a narcissist in love with his (cough) sonorous voice.

Overall, he's a bright and well educated guy. A lot of his advice for young straight men is actually pretty good (like the 12 rules). But man, he does have some stupid opinions and ideas. Also he makes equally dumb life choices. Like only red meat for every meal sounds like it rots your brain.

All those fat-activists and body-positivity models would secretly kill to wake up a size 6.

I agree with this anti vaxxer Trump Head .

[quote] Overall, he's a bright

He was at one point (maybe). Now, he's a pathetic buffoon.

R94 his whole Young Turks involvement is enough to make me wary of him. I don't like his arrogant righteousness and general personality, either. However I am sure you will disagree with that. I'm not his target audience of Gen Z, though and I understand that his fans will defend him for whatever he does or says.

R103 he's changed over the years into an extremist. He is no longer the 12 Rules guy.

I disagree with the posted assertion, in that there are plenty of facially attractive people who are overweight. Chrissy Metz, as big as she is, I think is actually very pretty in the face. No, I don't think her body is sexy (as much as a gay man can appreciate that), but I can see her other nice attributes and her pretty face without hindrance of her body. All my girlfriends, back in the day, thought Seth Rogen was sexy, despite being a heavier guy. So to the extent that he's pushing an idea of fat=ugly as a hard rule, that's just dumb.

With that said, I don't like the proliferation of heavier bodies in the media generally. Walking through Target tonight, I noticed several larger female mannequins throughout the clothing section, amongst the regular sizes. I don't find anything wrong with that, and it's a nice gesture on the part of the retailer; but it's definitely pandering to a level of inclusion that just comes across as shallow and blind. The fact is, larger and smaller women need different types of clothing than women not of their size, both practically and for aesthetics. I have a lot of female friends who are athletically built, not what one would consider fat, and they can't normally shop in the regular women's section. And it's similar for smaller framed women. My mother, who is a 5'0" tall and has shorter limbs, needs petite sizing and can rarely shop regular sizes. So lumping all women into one big hodgepodge for commercial purposes is really just awkward. While I understand that segregating clothing by sizing can be triggering, it's just a part of us all being different. What was also interesting is that there was not one single overweight mannequin in the mens clothing, and all the mannequins were of a younger 20-something, fit body type.

Saying someone has a pretty face but you find the rest of their body disgusting is practically the same as saying someone is unattractive overall..

Eat it!

Eat it!

Open up your mouth and feed it!

Brought to you by the cabal of chiropractors, orthopedists, bariatric surgeons, pharmaceutical companies, fast-food conglomerates, clothiing manufacturers and the rest of the mob who socially inculcate sedentary, unhealthy habits/lifestyles for profit.

Was he blubbering as he said this? Dude has been an absolute emotional wreck the last few years

R110, that's a little loaded. I find Helen Mirren fucking stunning, but I am also not into her body as an older woman, despite it being banging for a 200-year-old bitch.

He's right. No one wants to see fatties in swimsuits on what used to be a prestigious modeling cover. WHY is such a young girl so fat?

r112 it's a bit beyond that. IIRC, when he was first controversial we had a couple of posters who knew him, who were either academics at UofT, or taught in the same field. They said at the time that he was seriously mentally ill . I don't remember what the diagnosis was, or if it was a personality disorder, but allegedly the admin had to handle him with kid gloves because of it. (In addition to his contract/university policies, Ontario has very well-defined human rights laws.) It caused friction w/other faculty because he was allowed to do things they weren't, like tape lectures for youtube, and any sanction would be politicized and cause a shit storm.

Maybe if they're still here and see this they'll chime in. Side note: based on my own family and personal diagnosis (bipolar II), this sounds awfully familiar. It figures he'd be a psychologist or psychiatrist.

Don’t care I love big men, they’re beautiful to me. All of the guys I enjoyed spending time with were big guys. Gym rats live boring ass lives.

Beauty is subjective. There are cultures where obesity is admired and desired (not ours). In most cases, obesity is a consequence of food addiction, alcohol addiction, forced immobility, or a side effect of medication. Cultural values, the food industry and genetic propensity are also implicated. So obese people should not be shamed or blamed, although food addiction and alcohol addiction can be conquered, cultural values can be overcome, and people can learn to make healthier food choices..

But there is a lot of scientific evidence that shows that there are negative health consequences of obesity. Self-acceptance and fat acceptance should not include denial about this.

R24, I think he loves the attention, and in order to keep it going he has to give his far Right followers what they want. His comments have nothing to do with his profession. He used to discuss issues from a psychological perspective. Now he just trolls with the bras. He’s very petty. Sad to see what he’s turned into and this is coming from someone who doesn’t think the fat is beautiful movement is a good thing. Peterson is acting like a catty incel. That’s not how a professional behaves. He takes things personally. Like it’s someone an affront to his masculinity. He came out against gay marriage because that would be a win for the SJW that he hates. That’s so inappropriate for a so-called professional to behave. You’re going to punish people because the people you don’t like are for it? This guy is a psychologist? I think he needs therapy himself. I’ve agreed with him on many things but even I can see he’s spiraling.

SI is banking on controversy. It’s the only way they can get attention. This isn’t rocket science. Thanks to the internet, SI is archaic. You can get this shit for free. However, they could sell a few issues thanks to making so-called historic moves but putting males and whales on the covers. Queer and woke loons may buy it. The attention will make potential advertisers want to work with the magazine.

And Sports Illustrated is no doubt on its last legs.

R118 The idea of him as a therapist is horrifying. At this point I'd rather take handgun safety advice from William S Burroughs.

R17 "Sure, target fat people. It's the last socially accepted "ism" - fattism."

This is tiresome. Every group claim that theirs is the last acceptable prejudice. It's the victimhood contest. You don't win.

R17 So it's OK to attack a person's appearance when you do it? What's your point?

Hasn't he tweeted about slapping people he disliked and threatened to sue some woman?

R65 R72 IIRC the theory goes that only the wealthy could afford to eat well and stay out of the sun. The peasants were tanned and thin, therefore undesirable.

On the one hand, morbid obesity (there are medical categories of obesity) is unhealthy: Type 2 diabetes High cholesterol and heart disease Increased risk of many cancers High blood pressure Fatty liver disease Dementia Stroke Kidney disease Gout Asthma Blood clots Infertility and polycystic ovary syndrome Erectile dysfunction Pregnancy complications

On the other hand this guy is a clown:

[quote] Jordan Peterson - Being Fat Is NOT Beautiful

Amusing. You damn him for saying what datalounge has said every day for over 20 years. Saying "𝒀𝒐𝒖 𝒕𝒚𝒑𝒆 𝒇𝒂𝒕" being the height of wit and wisdom here.

Each to their own, but to most people fat is unattractive (I'm talking obese and morbidly obese here) - it has niche appeal, and isnt healthy to boot. So Jordan Peterson does have a point even if he's pretty fucked up in areas of his own life. Fat people cant expect to be found attractive by most of the rest of us. What they CAN expect is not to be treated badly just because they're fat in general life. As someone with a niche attraction myself to fem guys, I recognise that most gay men dont share my attraction to fems - but that said they should be treated with basic respect

r128 yeah but I'd be willing to bet most straight men would find the model he was yelling about attractive. Jordans own wife is very thin and on the masculine side, incidentally.

Fat bodies in 2022 America are not the same as fat bodies in BC 1000 in Mesopotamia. They now signify low status, slothfulness, or health issues. Women are looking for social status and access to resources. Men are looking for youth, fitness, and health. The CEO of a company with an average yet somewhat athletic body is the pinnacle of beauty for a modern woman. A Sports Illustrated front page model USED to be the pinnacle of beauty for a straight man. The CEO and a man on the cover of Men's Health are both the pinnacles of beauty for a gay man.

I will guarantee you that the prissy queens of Datalounge are far more worked up about this than straight guys are.

r130 this is the first image that came up when i googled "The CEO of a company with an average yet somewhat athletic body." If you're interested.

The fact that a so-called 'philosopher' is preoccupied with this shit is fucking hilarious. The question is not 'is fat attractive or not? But "Does it really matter if fat is attractive or not?" "Who gives a fuck about attractiveness actually?"

Peterson is a symptom of our increasingly materialistic, shallow, foolish world. He's smart in the way that a teenager can be smart. In a shallow, immature, skimming the surface, 'debate me', barely surviving kind of way but theres no wisdom, theres nothing real underneath. This goes for a lot of the people we're supposed to look up to.

Goethe once said that most of the political and religious leaders of his era were intellectually adults but had the spiritual and moral maturity of clever 20 year olds, and that they never developed beyond that, no matter how old they got.

It seems to me that current politicians, pudits, even religious leaders have the spiritual maturity of clever teenagers these days and thats all most people ever attain. Look at Peterson, or any of his ilk on the left or right. They're basically 14 year old souls in adult bodies.

I'm convinced that there will come a time when people no longer grow emotionally, ethically or spiritually after they are born. You'll come into the world fully formed in every way besides physically and intellectually.

So the entire world is stunted in a state of spiritual immaturity, looking for leadership and wisdom and a wise adult figure to tell them what to do and latch onto people like Peterson not realising they're just as stunted as themselves in every way that counts.

If R132 is average I'll just hide under the bridge with the rest of the trolls.

R20 well, her face is very pretty.

[quote]Thanks for discounting the nightmare I've gone through.

If you're for real, r35, you need professional mental help.

Like I said on the "medium fat" thread, I had an accident several years ago and can't move well enough to exercise, and can barely walk some days. I'm not sitting online screaming that all fatties are awful and that they shouldn't even be accepted as human beings because of it.

Yeah, it's a struggle to lose weight when you're not very mobile, and I sympathize with your plight, but you are taking your misery out on people who have nothing to do with your problems. I'd say you were doing that to make yourself feel better but if so, it's obviously not working, you're miserable through and through.

If obesity did not have negative health consequences, and was just an aesthetic variation like extreme tattooing, would people authorise themselves to judge and belittle fat people?

With some exceptions like R136, being obese is a choice. You choose to stuff your face with Oreos and to sit on the couch.

Why are so many of you so bothered by fat people?

Are you former fatties?

I have been thin/normal weight all my life and don't think much about fat people, when I do, I mostly feel badly for them, as I am aware that there are millions of people who struggle with obesity and that it is becoming a worldwide issue, not just a US one.

What gives?

Most fat people are happier than Jordan Peterson.

He's just an asshole at this point. He could have just said "not my cup of tea" or something else, or hey, nothing at all...but of course not. He's pandering to his base. It's all grifting at this point. As R133 so brilliantly stated it, he's basically reflective of the times we're in, where a society, and certainly some demographics of it, are looking for a parent-like figure to lead/teach them, and ultimately are getting conned by a grumpy, pseudo-intellectual asshat. But "cults of personality" are powerful these days, and that's where the money is.

For a man who's big thing is "clean your room", if you've ever seen him webcam from his home/office, it's a fucking mess. Literally.

Fair point R133

I've said that about Musk too, that his Twitter trolling is what you'd expect from a precocious 12 year old who just learned what a "boner" and a "boner-killer" were.

We beg to differ, Jordan. You're just seeing us through the prysm of skinny-tyranny and body fascism.

That JP "brain trust" is a woman hater, plain and simple. I got into a handful of his videos that were making sense at first until his weird opinions threw huge red flags. For one, "quality" women know the best use of their time is making and raising babies with a choice mate. Because, having worked with "top echelon" women - - e.g. the most beautiful women at the top of their game as lawyers and CEOs -- most women will never be that beautiful and accomplished no matter how hard they try. So, might as well do your best to land mister moneybags. This turd is an anachronism.

I'm not necessarily, "yay, fat" because I could lose a pound of two for my own general health. But people like him want to blast us back to the days when fat people, and anyone else who didn't fit the narrow standard of "normal" was bullied. We're not even out of that phenomenon yet. There is certainly no reason to suck society back into the meanness.

I don’t understand why so many see him as some kind of intellectual giant much less some kind of all knowing guru. He seems basic, inarticulate and thoroughly unexceptional to me.

Russell Brand is another person with a huge "cult of personality" following. Whatever he says, people flock to it and salivate over it. He's interesting and bright but not half as clever as he seems to think he is.

Someone should tell Peterson that just because people listen to you doesn’t mean you have to say something.

R146, he’s a conspiracy theorist and a drug addict.

[quote] I will guarantee you that the prissy queens of Datalounge are far more worked up about this than straight guys are.

Peterson is straight, last time I checked.