First teaser trailer for Netflix's LGBT teen drama Heartstopper PART 2

No picture of cute boys OP?

Datalounge is divided on the issue R2. I find them cute. I also skip all non gay storylines as they're boring as hell.

R2, you are very self referential.

Like everybody else here I feel their chemistry in the show is explosive. It’s what makes the show so damn good. All they have to do is look at each other and it’s like bam! They definitely get along offscreen as friends. Kit is a huge teaser. He knows how to push Joes buttons.

Gen Z is very very different than the older crowd. A large majority of boys in school with my nephews .. middle and high school have made out with each other. It’s not a big deal anymore. They talk openly about it. Some are bi - some are straight. Not to say that everyone is fluid they just don’t give a shit anymore. It’s very refreshing TBH. & yes I do think Kit is bi.

I think Kit is really annoying with Joe. He doesn’t let him speak! I don’t get this banter at all, they seem to get along OK but they are clearly not the very best of friends off screen. And that’s fine. This idea the two romantic leads have to be best mates is done to death. I don’t know why agents & reps try to push it..

Kit can easily have lied & said he was bi.. how could anyone ever know?! He could have girlfriends for the rest of his life & we’d still never know!

😂

Is either one of these hoes gay or nah?

[quote] This idea the two romantic leads have to be best mates is done to death. I don’t know why agents & reps try to push it..

Your projecting your frauness. Many casts get along and are friends in real life. Schitts Creek, Good Place, Shameless.

Shows where characters have chemistry owe a lot to the friendship between the cast. It's just like any other profession.

[quote] Is either one of these hoes gay or nah?

Joe is openly gay. The trans is obviously trans. The lesbians are lesbians in real life and Kit is most likely bi, like the video they posted on the other thread showed and the tweets of the creator confirmed.

From post 590 off the old thread:

Go to @stonewalluk on instagram and watch their latest post (for some reason I can't share it)

The production team wanted the crew to be members of the lgbtq community too. So maybe Kit is bi unless he lied.

Will Rowing Blazers be costuming the show for the second season?

'Joe is openly gay.'

yASSSSS

These hoes are the most popular couple by far on tumblr, overtaking Larry Stylinson

Bash is two steps from being out. He even shares clothes with Joe. Everyone knows they're dating.

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You are really annoying, pls quiet down and give it a rest. Any of the actors could easily lie about their sexuality so you accusing Kit of lying about his is lame and uncalled for. If he wants to state his sexuality that's up to him and it's not up to you to say he could have lied.

THESE THREADS ARE WHERE CHARMIES WENT TO DIE

'Kit can easily have lied & said he was bi.. how could anyone ever know?! He could have girlfriends for the rest of his life & we’d still never know!'

Yup, Kit is most likely a queerbaiter like Harry Styles.

Leave kit alone. He’s an actor if he wanted to play an alligator or an elephant it’s his job

One of them has a fat face and could run to lard quickly. The school was also too run down, modern and nasty to be convincing as a posh boys' grammar school. Those schools in England usually date back to the 15th century and are housed in much older buildings. The school they used looked like a ratty primary school built in the 1970s.

The person who keeps claiming the author tweeted about the cast matching their character's sexuality has yet to bring us proof this ever happened.

Fucks sake R16 YOU are really annoying, can you read the instructions first before acting like you own the place?

Spazzy R16 doesn't know how to refer to different posters. Probably a fraulein from tumblr.

LARRIES CAME TO DIE HERE

Why did you keep the same title? SMH

The caps lock troll needs to shut the fuck up and go find a hobby. No one's shipping Joe and Kit together you dumb fuck. This has nothing to do with Charmie or Larry.

Actually that is not true R20, if you live in a county e.g Kent or Buckinghamshire where they allow new grammar schools then there are plenty that look like that. I lived on the border of Bucks where they did the 11+ and the nearest Grammar School looked exactly like that (founded 1959)

R25 Because OP is a teenage frau that has no idea how DL works.

R27 True Im from portsmouth. Many of our primary & secondary are very old.

R7 God Joe's ugliness is really highlighted when standing next to both of them

r30, don't be mean. Joe's sweet, he just needs a little help...those eyebrows need to be shaped and to the dentist asap.

R15 Clothes sharing

Part of me feels like Kit wants to hook up with Will.

R34 and Bash! haha

Kit seems pretty charmed with Bash, here he is gushing over him and how well he dresses and good he smells

I've gotten the impression that Kit likes to use Bash to make Joe blush. Like he did in the middle name game, and here again with the praise of his smell, fashion sense, etc. He had a throwaway line in another interview with Joe as well, saying Bash helped organize events which made the cast get "so close" and then he smirked. I don't think it's malicious and I do think he genuinely admires Bash; I just see more him trying a type of goading or banter on Joe during interviews

Yesss R37. I’ve thought that a couple times!

I’ve definitely read the show was cast to match their sexuality & race, can’t for the life of me remember which article, there’s been so many!

R10 - I’m 34, does that make me a Frau? I’m not saying casts cannot be friends, of course they can. But it’s this best, best friend for life idea. I used to love Shadowhunters for my sins. The fans were obsessed with the idea Matt Dadario & Harry Schum were full on BFFs. When you could see quite clearly they were simply friendly, not remotely best friends. Another pair with excellent chemistry on screen & barely any off it actually!

[quote]I’m 34, does that make me a Frau?

Actually, having a vagina makes you a frau.

[quote] The fans were obsessed with the idea Matt Dadario & Harry Schum were full on BFFs. When you could see quite clearly they were simply friendly, not remotely best friends.

It's like that with Edvin Ryding and Omar whatshisname from "Young Royals" you never see them hung out or anything yet fans insist they're BFF's not to mention that they insist that Omar's boyfriend is his best mate.

R6 True, you can always say that you are bi if you want to hide your true sexual orientation. I believe in 99% of cases it is gay men, but for such woke causes the straight guys would do the same.

R39 - I do have a vagina but I am gay .. and very proudly.

Literally never heard the term until I joined here, just googled. Got it.

Are lesbians not welcome to join discussions on here? Is it gay men only?? 🙄 on a thread about a queer teen show..

R43 Sure the lesbians are welcome, don’t pay attention to that poster.

Bash and Kit being competitive and having a push up-contest:

R34 All of me feels like you're a young girl who reads too much fanfiction.

I want to know how big Kit’s dick is

Sebastian has BDF

I am THAT poster. I welcome everyone, lesbians included. I mentioned what I thought was a frau frauing. Some lesbian are fraus too. DLers don't seem to get along with feminine lesbians, but I know many. Some are indeed lesbian fraus.

Are you a lesbian frau? I think you could be. I like my men and lesbians to be big and butch.

It is funny how she deleted her tweets about matching sexualities. it was all over tumblr and tweeter. Same happened to the QAF reboots. Remember all the three embys who had proud instagram with they and nonbinary things? They scrubbed it off, and are now not nonbinary. The moment that masculine gay pretending to be enby wearing a tutu at the gym realized he could get the same roles as the masculine gay he is, he dropped the T.

It's hard to write gay stories set in high school that aren't something out of a fantasy. You can't be too realistic because it would offend fraus and parents. The gay porn, looking up how to anally masturbate, trying to hook up with older guys online, hiding your boner in the locker room, crushing on your hot male teacher, having that homophobic gym coach, etc. A lot of gay boys don't get to explore themselves until college or moving to a city.

So the shrill annoying heterosexual who’s camper than most will fall for his former male friend who is now trans? Still has his undercarriage? Yes, that's how heterosexuals roll - almost as much as my eyes.

Disgusting people on here calling people spazzy? If you want to be vile pls leave. Stop acting like a school bully.

R52 These is no such thing as 'former male'. He is always a male.

I preferred Ian and Mickey from shameless who were around the same age as them.

in the first season

I bet Kit's cock is pink and pretty.

R48 No, he just has uggo face.

^ Meh.

When will Bash and Joe reunite with DL fave Connor Jessup?

R61 Very creepy!

Pray for season 2!

They made it onto Googlebox tonight! Pretty prime time Friday evening TV in the UK. Not everyone’s cup of tea but gets a few million viewers each week (which is good numbers for the UK) & is a staple on TV here. Certainly will open its audience up a bit.

The intro before the show started said ‘it’s time to introduce you to Charlie Spring’ .. Alice must be blown away by how mainstream it’s managed to go. Still a bit niche but overall, not done badly at all.

Connor appears to really love Bash & Joe. They all seem the best of mates (& obviously boyfriends in two of their cases). He was singing their praises in an interview I read somewhere. He’s quite a bit older then them isn’t he?

R65 I think Connor knows Kit as well since they also seem quite friendly. Connor is almost 10 years older than Bash and Joe, they joke a lot about Connor being older:

They also jointly sent a gay birthday cake to Connor last year:

Has this been renewed? I read somewhere that it could go either way. It said it's a hit in UK but not anywhere else including the US. And that it might not be enough for struggling Netflix to justify a 2nd season?

R68 The fans will cause an uproar if its not renewed. Remember people practically shook down Netflix and forced them to renew Manifest for a 4th season.

I just watched this today, mostly because a friend of mine told me she thought it was very cute and made you feel good, and quite frankly these days I don't want to feel miserable watching TV when there's so much real life shit going on. And yeah, it was cute! I had a nice time watching it. Reminded me a bit in tone of that Dash and Lily show from a year or so ago. The character of Nick would absolutely have been the type of guy I would've been crushing on in high school, but it just wasn't as safe being openly gay even back then (which wasn't even that long ago) so I repressed everything. Even the Nick types who tended to be friendlier and kinder weren't exactly rushing to your defense at the same time. Charlie still has problems of course, as do the lesbian girls, but they also all have a solid group of friends too, which is really sweet. Did anyone else like Isaac, he made me giggle every time he was on screen, he was just so happy (I should probably go back and read the threads on it). At one point Tao says he is the token straight friend, so I assume Isaac is gay or bi but they never actually say. I also really liked that Elle just existed as herself, no heavy handedness, just "she went to the boys school last year and now she's at the girls school")

All this dating and falling in love stuff is so cute. The closest that happened to me was a couple of bogans aggressively asking me if I would let them put it in me behind the bike sheds. Times sure change!

Olivia Colman was so fun. Only in it for a short amount of time but her reactions to Nick telling him how he got entangled in a date with Imogen ("and then her dog died") were hilarious.

It was light and fluffy and I can't identify with the school experience today as it is so different from my day, but it was a nice feelgood time.

[quote]The closest that happened to me was a couple of bogans aggressively asking me if I would let them put it in me behind the bike sheds. Times sure change!

Just a PS here, but I do want to clarify that while the above was the kind of thing that happened in an environment where being gay was still illegal where I lived, the actual depiction of the way teens relate to each other in Heartstopper was still pretty accurate to what I saw going on around me. So many shows about teens now make the teenagers come across like 20-30 year olds in the way they sexually relate to each other, which is ridiculous. Some points in Heartstopper I found much more on point (like when Imogen tells Nick she likes him and he clearly isn't that interested, but she's too busy turning around to her girlfriends and getting excited about it to really notice, or how boys who like each other will generally first test the waters by pushing their thighs against each other).

It’ll get renewed. It’s been a complete smash in the UK & Netflix has its own budgets for different countries. I’m not surprised it’s not been that huge elsewhere as it’s very British. They renewed Young Royals & that had a far smaller audience.

I don’t know why people are so desperate to know if it’s being renewed. Most shows are on once a year so there is no bloody rush. So long as it is being renewed, just the logistics of when everyone from actors to camera men to producers, co-ordinators, set designers etc. are available etc takes months.

[italic]Olivia Colman plays Nick’s mom. If there’s a second season, who would you like to see on the show?

Kit Connor: There have been a lot of brilliant actors who have said that they’d love to be involved in Season 2. Connor Jessup from “Locke & Key” is very keen to be involved. I’m sure we can get him involved somehow.

[quote]All this dating and falling in love stuff is so cute. The closest that happened to me was a couple of bogans aggressively asking me if I would let them put it in me behind the bike sheds. Times sure change!

Sorry, are people under the impression that any of this is remotely realistic? This show is a romantic fantasy dreamt up by an asexual "queer" woman. It's not a gritty reflection of the everyday life of Gen Z.

Young Royals was smart enough to end the first series with a “what’s next?” Heartstopper wrapped it up perfectly with the coming out scene. There’s not a strong incentive from a storyline perspective to keep it going.

Does Alice have a partner? That guy who she was watching googlebox with last night? Is he asexual too? How does that work?! I genuinely find asexuality fascinating. Like zero sexual feelings ever?! That blows my mind. And what’s this one that’s like a-romantic? So like zero sexual or romantic feelings? It seems so against human nature, I can’t imagine not wanting to fall in love or have sex!

Kit has Will Gao's newest photoshoot on his Instagram stories. Even he agrees Will looks good.

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I just realized why the kisses seem off in this show. They used an intimacy coordinator and an LGBT consultant. Imagine writing a gay show and needing consultants for that. That explains so much.

R78 Maybe it was due to the fact that the leads were 16 and17 at the time. Anyway, "Young Royals" used an intimacy coordinator too and their intimate scenes were quite amazing, imo.

Intimacy coordinator don't dictate the scene, but the boundaries. Of course a show created by a an adult frigid woman who has no concept of sex would result on her guidelines being what she is. What exactly is the problem of teens kissing? Have you not been to a play with teenagers kissing? Gen Z women are some really frigid bunch. The reason they marry closet cases is high because of this very mentality that draws them to shows like these, written by other sexless women.

They used the same intimacy coordinator on Its A Sin, same guy. It’s pretty normal for shows to use one looking at his back catalogue. Arguably, I’m not really sure why Heartstopper needed one for some chaste kidding but you can see why Young Royals & It’s A Sin etc would use one.

R78 the show portrays 14-16 year-olds and aims to reach a very broad audience, including kids even younger than that. The avtors eere about that age as well. I’m middle-aged and really loved this show. But we were not the main target audience. The tongue was not in the cards for this one. Kudos to the creators for making such a wonderful show appealing to such a wide audience. For the audience they were aiming, I thought this went extremely well.

The *actors were*. Sorry.

They clearly need to show more skin on this program, and get some fresher actors!

[quote]The tongue was not in the cards

Pics please.

[quote]It's not a gritty reflection of the everyday life of Gen Z.

Everyday Gen Z life is gritty? Maybe if you grow up in a bad area or go to a bad school, but from what I hear them talking about on the bus, or their parents at work saying what they're doing, or the occasional conversation with a family member from that generation, they're lives are really no different than ours were except for the rise of social media. It's shows like Euphoria and 13 Reasons Why that are the unrealistic ones.

Not that I didn't think Heartstopper wasn't an idealised version of growing up in some ways, but it really is much more low stakes and simple dramas than what those other shows show. Someone on Twitter pointed out that people are being so desensitized to the oversexualistion of teens on shows like those others that they no longer accept more accurate portrayals of teen life as actually being accurate, and that's how it seems to me too. Unless, as I say, you're someone who grew up in a really bad area.

Gay teens are very sexual, you can't argue with reality. This show is cute but is unrealistic, stop acting like that a scene between two teens wouldn't have their boners and cum. And little fraus can get lost back to Reddit. No one cares about your virgin lives.

R87, don't get me wrong, I actually was thinking myself that being both guys, well, there would be most likely at least mutual masturbation pretty early on in most cases. But is it really necessary to get straight into that in the context of this particular story? One of the guys is really struggling with his attraction to men for most of the series and the other is the very opposite of pushy. As much as we want sex when we enter puberty it can still be pretty daunting before we actually do it a lot of the time (and then once done we can't stop doing it, haha). I dunno, I just don't find it that necessary to show that happening just yet in their story. If it did, it wouldn't bother me at all, but this is pretty light fare, so I understand and in a way it's refreshing to see at least one show out there were it's not all sex from the first moment.

From my understanding, it does happen a bit later in the books, so if the show keeps going ahead then I imagine we'll see it.

The other thing is, I don't think we ever got clarity that Charlie and Ben weren't tugging each other off in their secret meetings. It could be argued there is the implication that happened.

Gen Z boys can still be pretty homophobic, "faggot" , "suspect" and "fruity" are not absent from their vocabulary. They aren't beating up gays but many aren't as accepting as people think. It's the girls who claim "queer", "non-binary", "fluid" and "bisexual" and fetishize gay relationships though they are just copying the millennial women who started all that.

"Faggot" is such an American term to me when I hear it, which I find interesting. We knew of it in school, of course, and maybe someone would say it occasionally, but the word you would hear all the time would be "poofter", and sometimes "bum chum". Perhaps because "fag" here still means cigarette as well, plus "faggot" is such a harsh sounding word, like "nigger". It's kinda weird to me when I see "faggot" used so much in US movies from the 70s to 00s. Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I don't believe it ever had that kind of constant use here in Australia, and I feel like we considered it a much stronger word that you wouldn't use unless you were intending to be hateful. Whereas you could call your mate a "poof" and intend it to be friendlier.

I don't think TV has any accurate representation of everyday life because it wouldn't sell. There's no moderate. You either have sugary sweet wholesome stuff or over-the-top sexualized dark stuff. The most accurate depiction of teens I've seen was in stuff like Daria, Malcolm in the Middle, The Inbetweeners, The Adventures of Pete & Pete, Clarissa Explains It All, Dazed and Confused, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Welcome to the Dollhouse and Tina's storylines on Bob's Burgers. And all of that stuff is comedy. TV dramas don't go for raw realism.

The controversy around Euphoria reminds me a lot of Skins. But Euphoria is a show for adults and the actors are adults. So teens shouldn't even be watching it and parents should be responsible for what their kids watch. Skins employed real teen actors just like that movie from the 90s, Kids which created some controversy. Skins got criticized because people felt it glorified partying, drugs, promiscuity and mental illness. The US version which also cast real teens got in hot water as parental watchdog groups claimed it was "kiddy porn" and ultimately got it canceled.

^Daria was so good, R91! It came out during my own high school years, and gave me so much joy (and new music to listen to - it's a shame it would be way too expensive to release the DVDs with the original soundtrack!)

Funny how comedies seem to get it the most right. I think we've spoken about this exact thing on another thread R91, so I'm repeating myself when I say this, but will say again: for Australians, Summer Heights High is the perfect encapsulation of what the high school experience is like out here.

[quote]Skins got criticized because people felt it glorified partying, drugs, promiscuity and mental illness.

It never surprises us that people always miss the point, hey? 'Cause the creator of that show wasn't glamorising those teens at all, he was saying this is how it should NOT be.

This is exactly what teen girls were like when I was at school. And the pathetic attempt by the school at moderation is so on point:

Whatever the intention was .. most of my friends cried like babies watching heartstopper. Its very triggering for a lot of us that never had the chance to act on our feelings or fall in love. 6 of my friends have deleted their ‘gay’ apps. Is encouragement that there’s a life outside of hooking up. Everyone wants to fall in love:)

R95, great point! Watching it myself I was just smiling thinking, gosh if kids have the chance to do this these days that is so good, plus I had just a touch of sadness that, like the teacher told Charlie, when I was at school I just had to repress every feeling and never really got to experience my teens like this.

R93 Yes, Skins felt more like a social commentary of The UK to me. I mean the neglectful, self-absorbed and abusive parents, the teacher who abused her authority to sleep with one of her students, all the toxic and abusive relationships, the classism, casual homophobia, racism and misogyny that is brought up, etc. The cast being the age of the characters helped a lot in a way that you knew they didn't understand the consequences of their actions. As opposed to stuff like Gossip Girl where you see 26-year-old actors making teenage mistakes and you just want to slap them. In Skins, I could see myself in their positions at that age.

The those movies, Kids and Bully by Larry Clark were also intended as a cautionary tale of teenage recklessness though Clark is such a creep who still objectified the teens in those movie and the filming photography made them look cool as hell which ended defeating his purpose in a way.

Thirsty 🧃

[Quote]Gay teens are very sexual, you can't argue with reality. This show is cute but is unrealistic, stop acting like that a scene between two teens wouldn't have their boners and cum. And little fraus can get lost back to Reddit. No one cares about your virgin lives.

PREACH. This is why I liked Elite so much this season. Sure, the show is ridiculous and ott, but at least they're not afraid to show gay sex, and gay teenagers being sexual. This season you got to see them having boners, talk about having boners, kissing and having sex. It's much more realistic than the chaste Heartstopper making it seem like gay teenagers, who are boys, will just kiss and have no sexual feelings what so ever. WTF?! In real likfe gay teenagers are horny as fuck, jerking off, watching porn and looking for a hookup. This show is so annoying. I found it offensive that once again we got chaste, asexual gays.

Perhaps there's room for both types of shows?

R100 There is room for Pinocchio too, but we all know that a boy made of wood can not come to life, just as boy without the wood can not.

Was that meant to be wit r101?

[quote]The tongue was not in the cards

This was even bigger problem than lack of sex. I mean who kisses without tongue? This kiss doesn't exist. I mean there is a peck on the cheek and there is kissing in the sexual or romantic sense. I never knew that someone kissing just touching each other mouth, restrained, worried that a tongue might fall in his mouth. Only 10 year old kids experimenting and playing would kiss like that.

[quote] Only 10 year old kids experimenting and playing would kiss like that.

Or "asexual" adults.

So is this one for the usual Datalounge pedos?

No this is the one about gays talking about a show written about us by a virgin frau such as yourself, a feckless frigid cunt afraid of intimidate contact and fetishizing gay love. R105

Policing people’s language doesn’t make you one of the good guys R53, you’ll learn that when you get older

R106 Nailed it.

Just a suggestion; if you're sick of chaste, asexual gays like this show, watch Elite instead. Hotter guys and they get to have sex. Imagine that!

I have no problems with Heartstopper, it is totally what it is and that's fine.

I do also note that you can always tell when something about gay men is written by women. I think unless they did a lot of research, women will never be able to truly understand how men relate sexually to each other. The relationships become overlaid with a female perspective. A bit like what would happen with men if they writing a show about lesbians, you know?

But I'm cool with it, as long as there's various types of programs out there. We're everywhere these days and it wasn't that long ago when I was growing up and we might, just [italic]might[/italic] be cast as a sassy friend or the character that dies. And I never agree with this "you must only write who you are or it's offensive" nonsense that is out there these days. In a way, these shows as written also tell us something about the writers whether they want it to or not, which is kinda interesting.

These shows are a dive in women's psych and the reason why men and women will never get along. They view love in completely different ways.

Jesus, the main character turns 15 fucking years old in the show. Sorry he didnt fit the ideal gay image you whores had in mind.

You were a gay 15 year old? do you have a penis and testicules full of cum ready to be jizzed? I didn't think so. So shut up frau.

R113 do you have brain damage? Not every 15 yr old gay or straight has sex. Also frau? That's the best insult you have?

Most boys either have sex in high school or jerk off all day long. There's a reason boys think more about sex than women. We have sacks to empty every hour. You'd know that if you had a penis and if you had gone through puberty as a man. You and the creator of this show are just sexless female idiots. We'll mock your stupidity every post we can.

I'd tell you to go fuck yourself, but your probably another frigid cunt with a special tag like "asexual" perving on gay romance. Get a life and fucking dick up your ass, ace cunt.

Obviously I masturbated as a teen. I guess they should have included a random scene of these teens jacking off just for you. Again I cant tell if you are a creeper or just brain dead!

Did you kiss a boy in high school like you were a fucking chaste nun who cant exchange saliva? Because that's what we saw here on this drivel. It's natural for teens to have sex, you're the one with intimacy problems here. All the girls watching this crap and perving on our lives and romances. Your the pervy one.

Tell me to fuck myself all you want, I dont care. Definitely not asexual. I just dont see a problem with a show about young teens not having sex. Not every gay focused show will. Yes its natural for teens to have sex but not all teens do. Btw I imagine you kiss like a fucking fish with your tongue out of control. You are disturbing and I'm done responding to your bs.

I kiss like a normal person. You, and the sexless dried up cunt that wrote this drivel will someday find out what that is. Maybe kissing a closet gay guy, the prissiest of all, since that's the reality you project when you fetishize us.

Bye thread!

*T*R*A*N*S*P*A*M*

Wouldn’t decisions about the kissing be made by the director, an openly gay man? Hard to blame this on “fraus”, though I guess if you’re a misogynist that’s what you do.

The decisions were made by the sexless frau that wrote the series.

Instead of being happy that we actually have representation in the form of two young teenage boys.. We focus on the fact that they should have hard dicks and cum stains on their pants. We wanna see them bending over getting rimmed otherwise it’s not gay. We all know that we were horny as fuck at that age .. that’s not the intention of the show. There are literally thousands and thousands of comments all over YouTube and 1 million other sites about this show. It’s been very very positive for a lot of people. It’s a light in the darkness that many of us felt during our teen years and an inspiration to fall in love.

I wish Gregg Araki's TV projects didn't keep getting cancelled. "This Is How The World Ends" was a pilot he shot for MTV. You know he was going to have a lot of gay and bisexuals in the cast had it kept on the air. And tons of sex.

[quote]It’s been very very positive for a lot of people.

It really has been, and I've been hearing really positive reactions to it from friends' and colleagues' children who are about the same age as the kids in this show, plus there's plenty of commentary from teens on Twitter about how much this kind of thing DOES match their reality, make of that what you will.

My gay friends and I who have watched all say the same thing. It made us very happy to see but also tinged with sadness as this was never our experience growing up gay. But how great is it that things are getting more and more normalised, compared to what we went through.

The lack of sex is good because little kids can watch it too. I get gay teen boys are hot dogs and have sex, I think everyone knows this. I was a gay teen myself. But it's a romantic fantasy type of show designed for families and such. There's plenty of gay content for older audiences. Granted I wish to see more gay protagonists in shows for an older crowd with a genre setting like scifi, Western, medieval fantasy and police procedural. With sex scenes in tact. I'm sick of just soaps. But it's baby steps.

*horndogs

I've been very critical of the show here because this is a gay message board. I still love the show, but as someone who teaches teens on a Saturday program at a big high school my experience has been that the only teens who find this show interesting are teenage girl and effeminate gay boys. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but this show does not resonate with more healthy young boys, because it is ridiculous and unrealistic. It's a projection of women on boys love. It is a fetish point of view, you can't argue with that. Teens I've talked to, including my bisexual nephew think this show is silly and for 12 year olds. He prefers euphoria and sex education. He's 17, the age of the actors of this show.

^ Sounds about right. Some posters here ignore the fact gay teen boys are boys. Unless effeminate, they're going to have a lot in common with straight boys their age and try to fit in with them. I was watching Dante's Cove, L Word and Queer as Folk as a gay teen online. I was playing sports and video games and also liked action and spy movies. I grew out of Disney stuff at like 13.

This show is for kids, families and teen girls. Which is fine. Little gay boys can watch something they can look up to. No different from little girls watching Disney.

[quote] Instead of being happy that we actually have representation in the form of two young teenage boys.. We focus on the fact that they should have hard dicks and cum stains on their pants. We wanna see them bending over getting rimmed otherwise it’s not gay.

One can tell you're a teen. Only a virgin teenager would think the only way to portray teens sexuality are these two extremes. Of course we used it as examples, because that's the reality you won't see it because you don't have a dick and you don't know how testosterone takes over boys after 12. That said, you can show these kids having a passionate kiss and not some peck that belongs in 1950s movies, you can alude to boners and the normal hormonal responses teen boys have, without showing it. Ignoring it like they do in this show, only accentuates how clueless the creator of this show is to human sexuality, teen development and of course teen boys love. Still a great show I'd recommend to straights.

American media is bipolar. We have to keep things rated G or rated R. Nothing in between. A gay coming of age story about boners in the locker room, trying to get on Grindr, dreaming about the cute jock, trying to figure you if you're a twink, twunk, top, bottom, etc could be handled in a sensitive matter. I've seen a lot of movies handle it though.

R111 Nailed it. It's obvious this show was made by an asexual woman and that's why I hate it.

R115 PREACH.

[quote]the only teens who find this show interesting are teenage girl and effeminate gay boys. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but this show does not resonate with more healthy young boys

So effeminate gay boys are unhealthy?

Oops this show is British. But I do feel nowadays British shows on streaming go for an international audience.

R130 Yup, and this is why ACTUAL gay boys (not asexual fraus who fetishize gay romance) relate more to the characters in Elite than Heartstopper. Sure, Heartstopper may be "cute", but how realistic are the characters? Not very imo. Elite shows actual teenagers, damaged teenagers, who drink, have sex, watch porn, jerk off etc. THAT is how teenagers act, ESPECIALLY gay teens. Whores like Patrick are much more common than chaste gays like Nick and Charlie. Liberated gay men, even gay teenagers, have sex, watch porn and jerk off. This show is so pathetic in that it showed gays kiss, not even tongue, but fucking pecks (it's SO obvious the guy playing Nick in real life is straight as he was very uncomfortable with the kissing). Meanwhile on Elite the gays actually kissed with tongue! It was just overall so much better and realistic, maybe that's why actual gay guys, teenagers and gays in their 20s, seem to prefer Elite more.

So they are hiring Greg Araki to direct episodes in season two, that’s exciting and will add lots of sex and mayhem to the show?

Araki did a great show with Avan Jogia having lots of same sex and falling in love with a hot black guy. Too bad it was canceled. Now Apocalypse.

The director is to blame if the guys, particularly Kit, were kissing like dead fish. He should have made Kit do his job properly. Or else found someone more suitable for the job.

I remember hearing in the Cmby promo that the actors were talking that they had been shy when they started kissing, but Guadagnino had stopped them yelling at them and had demanded that they kiss like two people in love would do.

I see that it is a family show and I think that nobody expects open sex scenes, but showing two gay youngsters supposedly in love like two castrated pets is not only unrealistic, but in a way offensive to gay youth.

What a fantastic mate Bash is to go visit Joe at home in the IOM for not the first time this month. And while he’s doing his a-levels.

Besties being besties. Nothing else to see here.

R142 Was he spotted there earlier this month as well? What do you even do on the Isle of Man it seems so remote

For those complaining that it's not sex forward enough or only appeals to teenage girls. Get a grip. This is just a different type of show that can only have a positive impact on culture and young kids and possibly the parents. It is very well done in the genre that it is done. Some well written scenes with good performances and direction. Lighten up FFS.

[quote]What do you even do on the Isle of Man it seems so remote

You kiss chastely r143.

I agree, R144. There is room for a show like Elite, and a show like Heartstopper to exist side by side. I do think there are interesting and valid points being made here both for and against. Very interesting discussion happening.

Incidentally, with all this talk on this thread, I should give Elite a go. Also, I've been hearing a lot of good stuff lately about Sex Education - you guys recommend?

R143 - Joe is from the IOM, he still goes to school there & his family all live there.

Bash, being his best mate & definitely not his boyfriend, appears to visit him on a very regular basis.

I’ve been a couple times with work. It’s a beautiful island. I mean, it’s quiet & fairly sleepy but non the less very nice!

YES R146. Sex Education is brilliant. Quite anti-HS really. These teenagers have a LOT of sex but it is funny & witty & charming. The actors are great!

I got bored with Sex Education quite quickly. It suffers from trying too hard to be edgy.

I love heartstopper- elite and sex education. All of them are great in their own ways. Imo .. everyone on the show is sexually fluid. I don’t think any of them are straight in real life.

Hmm. Did Gao say something to which his team objected?

[Quote] Hi! The date/time is TBD as per our socials! We were unexpectedly informed by William's team that changes needed to be made (on the day we had scheduled to premiere it), so are doing our best to have it online as soon as we're given the go ahead :)

I guess Will is on keys.

Sebastian and Joe last night.

Yes, why can't every show be as realistic as Elite, where teens rent out nightclubs for parties and fly to Ibiza at a moment's notice for orgies.

And seemingly remain teens well into their thirties.

[Quote] And seemingly remain teens well into their thirties.

Relateable.

[quote]There is room for a show like Elite, and a show like Heartstopper to exist side by side.

Of course, but maybe they should have let the audience known that the boys in Heartstopper were eunuchs.

R157 .. Two 15 year-old boys falling in love. They’re still relying on their parents to drive them everywhere. I was horny at 15 but jeez I was a total fucking mess. I would’ve imploded if another boy kissed me. I thought the actors did a fantastic job. My god you felt every thought & emotion from the whole cast Be patient the third book is very different. They’re all over each other pretty much the entire book. There’s even a scene where Nick gives Charlie a huge hickey.

Ooo a hickey, don’t get too excited everyone. 🤣

At least, they cast real queers for the roles.

Interesting about the video with Will - I wonder what on earth he said that needed changing ..

Look at those besties - Bash confirming he is in fact with Joe in the IOM. Don’t suggest anything though guys, it might hurt their feelings!

[Quote] Interesting about the video with Will - I wonder what on earth he said that needed changing ..

Maybe he came out but his team talked him out of it...

Hmm. Maybe. I thought Will was probably straight though. Plus, would anyone really care?

R144 We are allowed to have an opinion. Fuck off frau with your chaste shit. Gay teenagers do NOT act like this.

[quote]At least, they cast real queers for the roles.

I would take some sensual straight guys who know how to give a kiss any day.

R154 They are supposed to be rich. Anyway, I agree with you that it's ridiculous. I even said Elite is over the top. It's basically a primetime soap. I still stand by what I said that yes, Elite is more realistic than Heartstopper in some ways, like teenagers have sex. Gay teenage boys jerk off, watch porn and have sex. It's completely normal and I don't need asexual cunts like you claiming otherwise and defend this chaste shitty show.

I enjoyed Heartstopper. Sweet, feelgood show. Sometimes that's what we need, especially during these times.

I want to see a threesome in season 2: Charlie, Nick and Ben. Come on make it happen.

Geez. Let it go, guys.

Some people like the idealism aspect, some people feel it should be reality TV.

Two opinions should be able to coexist here, but some of these comments are getting vicious. It's a TV show, it's not a crusade.

And try to leave the misogyny at the door. Whatever you think of the author, she created something that's beloved. And if it helps 11-12-13-14 year olds to live an easier, better life, I'm all for it.

Maybe someone else will write a TV show about teenagers jerking off. There's room for both.

Could you please expand on that last, wonderful concept r170?

R159 I’m convinced you’re a sex addict

Well said R170. It’s really not that deep. We are lucky to live in a time of thousands & thousands of TV shows. You can go find something you like. HS is hurting anyone. It’s a cute love story that’s realistic enough in terms of the awkwardness of first love & coming out. It may not be 100% representative of teenage boys but then again, most TV is not fully realistic! This idea on British Soaps that everyone lives & works & is friends with only people on their street/square 😂 it’s ludicrous. Of course that’s not real life. But who cares. People enjoy it. And that’s the main thing.

You want sexy drama, go find it. You want a gay prince & his poor boyfriend, go find it. You want teens fucking all the time, go watch Sex Ed. You want a romance, here is HS.

Let’s MOVE ON.

R173 Exactly I agree let’s move on. There’s room for everyone

R170 Is an asexual cunt. It's because of fraus like you that we only have asexual gays on tv who aren't allowed to have sex.

My gosh some people here are obsessed. If you want something light and sweet with some serious undertones then Heartstopper may tick the boxes. Pls stop being ott and calling people cunts because you are mad and want something more from a show that's clearly not going to give you what you want. Get a grip and stop being petty and nasty.

[quote]I just don't see a problem with a show about young teens not having sex. Not every gay focused show will. Yes its natural for teens to have sex but not all teens do.

Of course not all teens have sex, I didn’t. Because they have no one to do it with. But if I had boyfriend, do you think that we would have been drinking beer, watching football and talking ’bout pussy? There would be some initial shyness and fear, but you would soon start to explore each other’s bodies. Maybe few first kisses would be clumsy, but if the guys were not idiots they would soon learn how to do it.

If the producers wanted to keep it chaste it would have been more convincing if they never started to kiss and "going out". If it stayed in the stage of flirtation and special friendship with tendency to grow into something stronger. Cause it would be believable that the guy would lack courage to make first move. But once you broke the ice and start kissing the things move fast.

"Euphoria" already does heavy sex stuff.

Who hurt you, r175? Why so sour, bitter?

Joe thinking he failed his exam and blaming Netflix for it... the culprit is someone else LOL

Bash definitely didn't come over to the Isle of Man to help him study or discuss politics

I wonder if Bash audio recorded his revision notes... Probably a different curriculum to Joe's.

Sebastian and Joe have very different backgrounds and also very different schooling. Sebastian went to super posh schools and is a Kemble (full name Sebastian Theodore Kemble Croft).

[quote]Croft was born in Oxford to John Croft, an English businessman, and Doulla Croft, a Greek Cypriot Facebook executive. He is a descendant of the Kemble family. He began taking acting classes at the Abingdon-on-Thames branch of Stagecoach when he was 7. He attended the Dragon School for preparatory school and St Edward's School, Oxford for GCSEs. He completed A Levels in English, Philosophy, and Film.

Stop trying to make Kemble happen.

Damn. The Will Gao interview cut to ribbons. The original edit was at least an hour but the final edit is 19 minutes.

Was Will invited too, or was he Kit's plus one?

R180 we all know who to blame, if Joe fails his exams. 😂

Sometimes having a best friend has its drawbacks.

Definitely R187. These boys spend too much time together, watching football and going to pubs and drinking beer and chasing pussy.

R187 sometimes having a "best friend" has its drawbacks... There i fixed it for you! 😉

R188 hahaha

Thanks to you lovely people, I sat down to watch the first episode of "Sex Education" tonight. This isn't the thread for it, so I won't go into my feelings on the show too much here, but I have to say, the arguments above that this show is a more realistic depiction of teens, well, I mean this in the nicest way, but, ya gotta be on crack to think that. The show is so OTT! Which is fine, because that's the tone they are going for, but realistic it is not. I mean, the main kids come to school and see a boy fucking a girl right next to the lawns where everyone else is sitting, with his pants down around his ankles!

Heartstopper does seem more realistic to me in comparison to something like that. Plus all the "teens" in "Sex Education" look like they're in their 20s, with the bully, Adam looking like he's close on 30, haha! When you get teens played by older actors like this it's no wonder people think teens are behaving more like adults.

Loved Gillian Anderson in this. Other than that, kinda hated nearly all the students, they were annoying (but probably my own issues come into play there as a heavily bullied kid, it's hard watching them be so nasty to each other without feeling like I'm back there), but I did really like the gay guy. After he is bullied and stands there blinking back his tears and trying to plaster a smile onto his face, now THAT'S realistic! He and Maeve were the only two characters among the students I liked though. Will persevere perhaps, see how I go.

Gillian Anderson seems to show up in things, especially Brit, whether you want her to or not. They haven’t show Charlie’s mom yet right? Maybe it’ll be her for season two.

R191 We've seen Charlie's mom. The morning after Charlie and Nick kiss for the first time and Nick shows up at Charlie's house, she greets him as he stands outside in the rain.

As a teacher, I’d say Heartstopper is more realistic in the sense of how mundane it is - movies, bowling, band practice. Charlie’s friendship group is very similar to the socially awkward cliques you see in high schools. The love story is certainly unrealistic but that idealistic, romanticised story is what makes the show successful.

That being said, I do like how shows like Skam and Young Royals give emphasis to young love without ignoring that physical intimacy is a big part of that. Much of the later parts of the Heartstopper series focuses on the ‘should we be having sex’ elements in a way that is not believable and could potentially reinforce the view that same sex love needs to be sexless in order to be palatable to a mainstream audience. I’d be fine with this show not being renewed based on where the story goes next.

"Mundane" is a fantastic word to describe it, R193. I was trying to get at the same thing above, but didn't have the right words.

I found Heartstopper refreshing -- not every story about 15 year olds finding each other has to be a fucking Bel Ami video. One of the characters is just coming out and is very confused, the other has been seriously bullied and as a result has some psychological issues. The source material books do very much have the couple having sex btw, presumably in the next set of episodes if the show is greenlit for a 2nd series.

Got to hand it to him. Kit's "Smile without eyes" was the best.

R196 Makes sense, he's the most seasoned actor out of all of them.

R197 Kit is a fantastic actor., Just one look/emotion makes me sob. He doesn't even have to open his mouth.

Renewed for another two seasons! (hopefully filmed back to back so Kit and Joe don't look 25...)

R199 yeah it would take awhile to film 2 seasons back to back but they should consider it. If they follow the rest of the volumes with each being a season then season 3 will be sometime during Nick's year 12. Joe is playing a 15 yr old and turns 19 in a few months.

r200 it only took them about 2.5 months to film series 1 with most of them being completely new to acting on set (so needing to learn cues, etc) and covid interrupting filming, so hopefully they could turn 2+3 in about 4-5 months for the leads and less for the supporting! I think the big one for now (though I'm sure the others will be auditioning and cast in other things too) is figuring out scheduling for Yaz in Dr. Who

Does this mean that Yaz's role will be recurring on either Heartstopper or Doctor Who?

I literally cannot breathe! I’m jumping up and down!

Great, two more seasons of chaste, asexual gays who aren't allowed to have sex. Meanwhile they canceled The Society, a great show where the gays were allowed to have sex. Make it make sense. Fuck this shit.

R202 Hopefully. I don't want to watch a show that has trannies as the tranny loons are misogynistic and homophobic. The tranny can fuck off to Doctor Who as I don't watch that show.

Didn't you do skits dressed up as a woman, r205?

R204 Perhaps you should email Alice Osman & tell her you want to see them fuck.

Will Connor have a part as the older creepy guy from Canada who plays them against each other by sleeping with each of them and tries to break them up?

[Renewed for another two seasons! (hopefully filmed back to back so Kit and Joe don't look 25...)]

Agreed!

Hated Derry Girls cause the leads looked so freaking old.

[Quote] Hated Derry Girls cause the leads looked so freaking old.

Pederast!

2 more seasons

Oh dear

Harry for Asexuality!

R212 that's about Isaac, the new character for the show (as far as I know!) The leads are definitely not asexual in the books unless she drastically changes the plot.

For those who've read the books, is there a new character whose plotline could be given to Ben (Bash) for Season 2 and/or 3?

In the books Charlie's sister Tori is asexual

Jenny's performance was my favourite. I'll be happy to see more of her character.

[Quote]For those who've read the books, is there a new character whose plotline could be given to Ben (Bash) for Season 2 and/or 3?

Maybe they will give him the role of the asexual.

R204 Jaysus, give it a rest, they DO have a lot of sex in the source books and so will presumably do across the next 2 seasons as well. Ever heard of dramatic buildup, the slow burn...?

R217 She is a funny character. I'd like to see her do more than pop up randomly to talk to her brother for a bit but I get she is a minor character. And apparently most of next season will be them on a school trip to Paris so I doubt she will be in it more than she was.

R220 most of that is in the spinoff novella, Nick and Charlie which takes place 2 years after Heartstopper

Whoops should have been for R219

Cheers R222

R215 - in a separate book, Solitaire, that is about Tori (Charlie's sister), Ben is definitely a prominent minor character; only a few scenes but they're important. Plus Harry has a repentance arc in the books that they could conceivably give to Ben instead. Truthfully they already expanded his role in the show itself (in the books, he is not in Nick's friend group and the last we see of him is when Charlie shoves him off at the party) so given they already departed from the role a bit, created 2 fully new characters for the first season anyway, and how hyped Bash seemed today about the renewal, it seems unlikely they don't write in some role for him.

Also I hope Olivia Coleman comes back. I bet she could fit in a couple days like season 1. The parents arent in the comics much, but Nick's mom is definitely in it the most. Nick confides in her a lot about Charlie's struggles. Btw I did not know Coleman's real name is Sarah which is the name of the mom.

I’m almost certain they’ll write Ben in somehow. I wonder if they’ll give him the repentance arc instead of Harry. Arguably, Harry actually had a bigger part than Ben in season one yet Bash was far far more involved in the main cast dynamic. I think it’s OK for TV shoes to deviate so long as the essence of the story is there. Sometimes things work in a book that don’t work on screen & vice versa.

If they do, better hope Joe & Bash last a while longer yet 😂

I wanna see if they include the scene where they jump on top of each other and make out alone in their hotel room in Paris. They’re all over each other in the book 3.

Kit seems thrilled about the renewal.. not a single tweet & one re-post on Insta. 😬😂 I know he fell out with social media because of people daring to question his sexuality but I’m still quite surprised he contractually hasn’t put a tiny bit more effort in. Takes 10 minutes of your day to open twitter, write a tweet, retweet a few things, like a few things and post an Insta post. Then log off and done.

He appeared at the Baby Queen video shoot and did some TikToks alongside the other cast. He has also done plenty of interviews.

He has liked and commented on posts about the renewal. I guess he doesn't feel the need to post his own.

R229, I’m not talking about his general interview attendance. He’s obviously done plenty as he is required to do. Rather yesterdays announcement. The rest of the cast, namely Joe & Bash went bonkers on socials. Kit, next to nothing. Just seemed a bit strange to me. Not even one post of his own for a show he ‘loves so much’.

But I should know better than to even dare slightly critique Kit on here. Fan girl away.

Story posts ARE posts...

R228 R231 IKR? Like wtf?

Maybe Kit doesn't want a Season 2!?!?!?!111

He doesn't want it, the chemist tree was not there.

I had the same thought about Kit not posting. I get the impression that kit would prefer to move on and do other things now that he has the attention. Maybe he fears because it's become so big he will be forever seen as Nick. He strikes me as a bit more serious about his career. I think he's really talented and could grow into some serious roles. I think that the rest of the cast where having more of a summer camp experience with the show. I do think they are all talented as well.

R235 the chemistry was bonkers .. this is why it was so successful. Kit is not as active on social. The rest of the cast has openly made fun of him for it. He just created a TikTok account. He definitely wants season two but can come off as a bit aloof. He said he’s a bit introverted i& shy as some actors are. You can tell he’s super intense and wants to go to do a good job he’s a terrific actor.

The chemistry between Bash and Joe?

R238 Chemistry between Kit & Joe was intense. The whole cast has chemistry. This is why it was renewed for two additional seasons

Kit’s obviously close to the cast but is less extroverted than Joe and Bash which can come off as being standoffish and is also in the middle of exams. He’s doing a live podcast being filmed at the British Film Institute tomorrow so he’s still doing plenty of things, he’s just less active on Twitter. And who can blame him?

Not everyone is required to be on social media 24/7. Give it a rest. You can say the same about Will Gao. They aren't on Instagram as much as Sebastian and Joe. Perhaps they have a life?

Oh, the gays don't have a life?

R241 relax Mary. Just saying, even from a professional standpoint it is odd that this show that has catapulted his career. Might be something he puts out a simple tweet to say he is happy about it. I have no problem with him not being very active on social media. Now go back to your Kit protective stance.

Luckily, straight dudebro Kit is having life, drinkin beer in the pub with mates and chasing after pussy.

What is the big difference? He posted it to his stories. You're the one making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Quote] chasing after pussy.

And that's what is bothering some of you, not his use of social media.

Late to the game but agree with R37 - I think Kit and probably Joe to an extent both find it a bit funny when Bash comes up in interviews. I thought 11:05-12:00 in this video was quite cute, especially because Joe stays pretty silent on it (when normally in other interviews he has chimed in to agree with Kit praising other costars).

My gut feeling is kit has sucked his share of dicks. I honestly think he is bi. the way he acts in his interviews is very celebratory of the queer experience. He often goes on tangents about representation etc. none of the cast of love victor have felt the need too talk.

R246 Don't be silly, why would anyone here be bothered because a straight young actor is chasing girls.

Agreed with R243. Don’t give a shit Kit doesn’t use social media. He clearly doesn’t love it. And I’ve little interest in following him. But still a bit odd to not put a single post of his own about the show being renewed. Hell, his team could have done it for him.

No-one needs to talk, no. But as a gay person myself, I have enormous respect for those who do. The first professional footballer in the U.K. to came out as gay did so last week. It’s taken until 2022. What a fucking hero. Visibility matters, as the HS keep banging on about but then having a hissy fit when anyone dares mention it. Bar Joe & Tobie, props to you both.

R250 It is kinda of annoying that he hasn't come out. We all know he’s bi. Its not as if it will ruin his career. No one cares. Whats the deal with Will Gao! Have the girls shared their sexuality? Why aren't we talking about them?

[R241] The fact that some of you find excuses for something that can be done in a minute is baffling.

He shared the renewal on his stories so what's the big deal? Why does he have to do an Instagram post to say the show is renewed. Get a grip some of you, like someone said above he doesn't have to be on social media 24/7.

So what he didn't take a minute of his time to make you guys happy? Stop losing your shit over someone's use of social media and get a life. Have people have forgotten he's studying for his A-levels anyway? Perhaps he has other things on his mind.

One of the girls playing the lesbians said she was straight so Kit wouldn't have any problems. I do believe he is bi. It's stupid to think someone would have a problem saying it out loud. He comes across as intense and he's still a teen. I bet he's out to everyone of the cast and crew.

It is not nice calling a young guy a bi slut when maybe he isn't one.

Joe's performance was phenomenal and should take more credit

^she also shared a story on instagram

I thought it was a bit strange that they made Nick's character bi when earlier in the series they'd made a big thing about him not being interested in a girl who was keen on him.

Not that every straight boy wants to date any girl that shows an interest, but his rejection of her was framed in a "I can't date you because I wouldn't date any girl" kind of way.

It just felt shoehorned in because the creator clearly wanted all sexualities represented in the main characters.

Not really. Her interest came as his friendship with Charlie blossomed. The friendship with Charlie developed into a romance.

Agreed R250 but I suspect most of the little girls here have no idea what visibility means in the real world

It's weird that some are trying to turn Kit's lack of posting into a blow against visibility. Very weird.

And really, you should be more happy that the gay members of the cast are more active about serving and growing their social media following.

[Quote] Today I was at work and suddenly I went to Google and put Heartstopper in the search engine and I found out the news that it was renewed for two more seasons ... I literally collapsed hahaha I cried like a fool in the middle of the office I had to apologize and go to the bathroom, the joy consumed me ...

Mary!

[quote] It's weird that some are trying to turn Kit's lack of posting into a blow against visibility. Very weird.

[quote] And really, you should be more happy that the gay members of the cast are more active about serving and growing their social media following.

You just proved R250’s point

R251 You don't know he's bi. Unless he told you? Or did you find out about a boyfriend? Let us know.

Also, glad to learn that one of the lesbian is not a lesbian in real life. Maybe the "I know the entire cast match their character's sexuality because the creator tweeted about it" troll will give it a rest now.

I bet 90 % of the people on this thread are women. There's no way gay men would be this obsessed with two average looking twinks and a show that won't even allow them to have sex, like normal gay teenagers.

[Quote] a show that won't even allow them to have sex, like normal gay teenagers.

Well, it allows you to feel aggrieved, which I'm sure gives you some sort of pleasure.

These kids are still teens, can you imagine having the pressure to come out publicly? I think people demand absurdities from actors. They have personal lives and struggles, stop acting like they owe you something.

It's refreshing to see Locke out and proud but it takes one second to figure out during interviews that his personality wouldn't let him be in the closet. Let people be. Kit said people assumed his sexuality, which is him already coming out, it's pretty obvious. I think he will eventually come out as bi and even date a guy. We'll see. Let these kids be. I've criticize the chaste nature of this show, but criticizing a teen who's possibly reading here for not coming out is very toxic and immature.

[Quote] Kit said people assumed his sexuality, which is him already coming out, it's pretty obvious

It's absolutely not.

[quote] Maybe the "I know the entire cast match their character's sexuality because the creator tweeted about it" troll will give it a rest now.

No one here said they knew it to be true, Alice did make last year about that and tweeted and even said that in interviews, the fandom for this show was fixated on that during the entire shooting of S1 last year. Blame her not the crazy fangirls demanding it to be. Again, if Kit was straight he would have come out like the other girl, he made sure to let people know people "assume" his sexuality. You also have to consider this teenager/young adult might be figuring it out right now in front of everyone's eyes. the same I say about Harry Styles. This is a generation of kids that take longer because they have the luxury to consider the options. The 20% of LGBT is not, unlike what 70 year olds here say, a trend of blue haired women. It's evened across the board.

[Quote] if Kit was straight he would have come out like the other girl

Not necessarily. No one is checking for the lesbians like that. They are supporting characters.

I don't think this generation take longer. I think the "gay" and "bi" still carry stigma, so people who fit those categories still shy away from identifying as either.

I think all around this generation really is struggling to find a sexuality, which is why we see this. It means that people aren't fitting the old straight model. Some may be straight but even straights don't see themselves within the old way of being straight. DLers fail to see that, which could be a generation confirmation bias.

Nah, I think the various bubbles of the internet allow people to draw general conclusions that don't related to the real world.

R274 Nothong has changed, straights are still straights, maybe only a smaller percentage of gay kids in the parts of the western world will be forced to remain in the closet, marry a woman etc.

[quote] Nah, I think the various bubbles of the internet allow people to draw general conclusions that don't related to the real world.

I say this based on concrete facts. There's almost 23% of that generation that aren't straight. Just because you think this is a fad, doesn't make it so. It is still uncool to be gay, and most girls won't date a bisexual male so whenever someone here says it's trendy and cool, I have to say you're just out of touch. It's the clout you think it is. I follow hundreds of tiktok accounts as part of my job and even the bi guys coming out which are mostly masculine men, they talk predominantly about women and about the rejections they get. They also fetishize bottoms, which they call bttm (follow the hashtag if you don't believe me) and make crass jokes about them not being clean or whatever. That's the mindset of the generation.

"Mostly straight."

R277 Bi sluts are mostly bttm, they just want to trick people in thinking they are macho dom tops.

[quote] Nothong has changed

It has. You're just oblivious to it. It's everywhere, and it's on statistics you refuse to accept. There's also 11% of people who don't see themselves as anything. Do you really think there's 30 million people that don't know who they are? They're not straight, how hard could it be to say you are straight? Gen Z has a hard time understanding who they are, which means they are considering they're not straight.

R280 They are straight, they just find it hip to be queer.

[quote] Kit is not as active on social.

Congratulations to him for not being a conformist who talks too much.

[quote] Bi sluts are mostly bttm, they just want to trick people in thinking they are macho dom tops.

I'm a mostly bottom gay guy that dated mostly bisexual men and I can tell you that this couldn't be further from the truth.

Also, this idea of dom top is an outdated 1970s concept. It comes from your fantasy of how men behave, which probably shows us that you don't spend lots of time with men.

R5 I think that's very negative. It's the erasure of a defined sexuality in favor of a swamp of general fluidity in which everybody will basically be bisexual - because straight guys don't make out with other guys, you know. It's, once again, gay erasure. This whole pansexual shit is destroying us.

Is it, though? I think it's a good thing is people don't presume others are straight.

*good thing if

[quote] I think that's very negative. It's the erasure of a defined sexuality in favor of a swamp of general fluidity in which everybody will basically be bisexual - because straight guys don't make out with other guys, you know. It's, once again, gay erasure. This whole pansexual shit is destroying us.

In what ways is it destroying you? Seek therapy if the probability of most people being bisexual like Freud argued 100 years ago, affects you. If anything, you'll have a much bigger pool to choose from. I'd bet good money on your biphobia being a result of negative interactions with bi men. I, on the other hand have a bias toward them because I know them pretty well, have dated them and almost married two of them. When I say I think Kit is bi, I say this based on a hunch and a pattern of behavior that I see with bi men. I could be wrong but I dont think I am.

R283 Those were fags who were pretending to be bisexuals.

What pattern of behavior have you seen with Kit?

R288 Destroying US. Do you understand that the existence of homosexuals is based on the binary concept of Hetero-sexual and Homo-sexual? You are on a gay board preaching about all of us being bisexuals and fucking women? Go away you homophobic weirdo.

[quote] Destroying US. Do you understand that the existence of homosexuals is based on the binary concept of Hetero-sexual and Homo-sexual?

I'm sorry R291 I didn't know your at risk of disappearing if people come out as bi. How does that work? Do you have a will for when you're suddenly disintegrated? I'm curious.

Who cares if most people call themselves bi anyway? You sound bitter and sad. If anything, you're the one acting like your defending a gay cult or gay supremacy. Most people are bi, the trend we're seeing and the 20% reflects that, deal with it.

I dated mostly bi men because of gays like you R291, bitter, catty unhappy and delusional, perceiving males as a threat to your life. Are you jealous because I refused to be a gay pet to annoying straight women? I think you resent me and the people who were able to distance themselves from that.

[quote] [R283] Those were fags who were pretending to be bisexuals.

You tell this to the women trying to put me down saying my exes were the best lay they had and that I could never give him what a woman can.

Just because your pathologically grossed out by pussy, that doesn't make it so for the rest of healthy men, even healthy gay men won't have a problem seeing a vagina or thinking about it.

R292 gay pet for straight women? What are you talking about? As if there isn't an agenda that pushes younger generations to be fluid and bisexuals or transexuals. So, yes, I worry about too many teenagers coming out as bi or whatever radical shit they are promoting because you're taking homosexuality for granted while adocating for a pan-bisexuality. You have a strong internalized homophobia, darling. You better get a therapist. Straight guys will never marry you.

If no one cares R251, how can you account for being annoyed enough to comment about it? *eyeroll*

R293 You stupid little thing, how did you get to pussy hating from my remark that the guys who fucked you were fags. Or are you a woman? In that case the fuckers were straight.

R294 They are blabbing nonsense.

There are some bisexuals, but bisexuality is rare. People are either straight or gay. Young people are curious like to experiment, but that won't make them bisexual.

In the interviews I have seen with Kit, he comes across as an extremely intelligent and self-aware 17 year old. I personally sensed no obvious gay vibe or whatever.

But a young actor in a bi/gay role of years' duration is walking a career tightrope: if the actor comes out as gay, he may even in 2022 limit his casting options, or his management may believe so; should he come out as straight too stridently or defensively, he shows disrespect for the project and for a large community of fans and coworkers. Hence the absurd contortions many actors have assumed to give non-answers or duck the question altogether.

R297 Proof?

R297 Oh fuck off

[quote]There are some bisexuals, but bisexuality is rare. People are either straight or gay. Young people are curious like to experiment, but that won't make them bisexual.

Writing from 1956? Get real. If you spent time with men, you'd know bisexuality is far more common among men than homosexuality, granny.

R301 Keep in mind that most people on the site were born in 1947 hance the reason for the outdated views

You are really stupid R301 and R302, human nature hasn't changed from the times of ancient Egipt, let alone years you are mentioning. It is only trendier these days to say you are queer. When these queer guys reach 25 they will all be straight.

[Quote] I personally sensed no obvious gay vibe or whatever.

Moreover, he couldn't give examples of gay themed shows when he brought up how Heartstopper is unlike most gay themed shows. His examples were "Euphoria" and "Sex Education," neither of which is gay themed.

R298 - I v much agree. I think Kit is a bit too self-aware sometimes, almost trying too hard to be mature or maybe he’s just an old head on young shoulders. He’s the polar opposite of exuberant, excitable, social media obsessed Bash. Nothing wrong with that obvs but I do something’s wish he’d be a little less serious!

R305 Kit is a pro, he has been working since he was a child, perhaps that is what we are seeing. But I am sure he and his handlers know he has to tread carefully with comments about his own orientation given the circumstances of this hyper-inclusionary project -- particularly if he is in fact straight.

Other young actors playing gay have been mercilessly pursued by Twitter lunatics in the past demanding they reveal their intimate personal circumstances when acting in gay roles; Cameron Monaghan and Noel Fisher of Shameless, both apparently straight, come to mind.

R306 True still love Shameless

Kit snubbing fans. When will his reign of terror end?

[Quote] assuming Kit is straight when he hasn't said anything about his sexuality? He recently said in an interview that Nick Nelson is one of the most relatable characters, especially for him.

Could it be because the other actors (e.g. Bash) have been very forthright in how they relate to the show personally, while Kit has said things like "a lot people could relate to the coming out scene" rather than "I relate to the coming out scene"?

He appears to have a girlfriend - The Tiktok of the two of them where he's holding a pet, confirms it. The energy is very "I made my bf do a TikTok with me," not "Besties have fun on TT."

R309 Typical ~bisexual~

[quote] Moreover, he couldn't give examples of gay themed shows when he brought up how Heartstopper is unlike most gay themed shows. His examples were "Euphoria" and "Sex Education," neither of which is gay themed.

Because there aren't any. Bi guys aren't watching QAF. They're watching shows with straight romance with gay masculine guys as secondary characters. Gay themed is the word here.

DLers are lost in time. Your gaydar can't see through your biases, that's the problem. The stereotypes of the 1970s are not real anymore.

[Quote] Because there aren't any. Bi guys aren't watching QAF. They're watching shows with straight romance with gay masculine guys as secondary characters. Gay themed is the word here.

Oh, please. Bi guys watch gay content. Straight guys, no.

Stereotypes like Bash dressing, in the words of Connor Jessup, like "Oscar Wilde."

In Bash's chat with Gaby Roslin, "It's a Sin" was brought up and Bash could discuss that, as he'd clearly seen it. Kit? I wouldn't bet money on it.

When I read that Kit's favorite show is Normal People I knew he was straight

R314 Bash dresses so well though. Here's Kit gushing over Bash's taste in clothes and how good he always smells:

[Quote] Bash dresses so well though

Indeed. My point is that "tells" (or stereotypes) still exist, and for a reason.

Will Rowing Blazers be the costumers for future seasons?

[quote] Oh, please. Bi guys watch gay content. Straight guys, no.

Gay guys pretending to be bi do. Most bi guys won't watch shows like QAF, maybe Looking. There are like 3 gay shows, it's not like there are many. You probably dont get this because you're fem gay, but the universe of straight guys, is pretty much the same of a masculine gay guy or a bi guy. I say this because I've dated them, even got engaged to one and most of my friends are like that.

I mean this with respect. you dont understand this experience because you dont spend time with men and when I say this, I don't mean talking to the straight friend of your fag hag at a club, I mean actually being around men when they're away from women and free to be themselves.

Kit and Will Gao are not straight. Wait and see. Someone asked me what were the behaviors I see as patterns, and they're what you consider to be straight giveaways, because you dont know men you filter them through your fag hag's lens.

They both give strong bi vibes and even straight men would say that and they are saying that because I made my friends watch this show with me and we share this opinion.

Kit and Will, take your time. ✌🏼

Men dressing well and grooming themselves has been a thing for over 20 years. Are you living under a rock? See, the age shows. Wearing sweatpants does not make a guy a slob, fashion changes, people change. Most women won't date men who aren't groomed. Sometimes I feel like I'm living a parallel life hanging around here.

[Quote] You probably dont get this because you're fem gay

Hmm... you're engaging in the stereotyping that you claim is outdate. No one enjoys a flip flopper. (The stench of stan is strong with this one.)

[Quote] The stereotypes of the 1970s are not real anymore.

*outdated

[Quote] Men dressing well and grooming themselves has been a thing for over 20 years.

Who are you even arguing against? Bash favors a fop style. That is more common with gay men than straight. That doesn't mean gay men are never scruffy. Quit your disingenous arguing.

Not a stereotype. Fem gays don't relate to men, they usually say they hate them and only care about having sex with them, like many women do, and they are afraid of being around men given their bad experience. Do you hang out with straight guys, that you call bros? Do you spend time with them, playing games, shooting hoops, talking about their failures, in spaces where women aren't present? Something tells me you don't. So you don't know.

Most bullying campaigns for LGBT are based on this experience of being isolated by men. I wasn't isolated as a kid. I was actually very popular with everyone. So I am right, you don't know the experience, because if you did you would't find what I said anything other than ordinary.

[Quote] Something tells me you don't

Yes, your biases tell you I don't. You have a picture of an anonymous person on the internet made up of... mostly your own projections.

[Quote] I was actually very popular with everyone. So I am right

I doubt that. At best, you come across a boor.

I don't think Kit is straight.

[quote]So I am right, you don't know the experience, because if you did you would't find what I said anything other than ordinary.

Dear sweet motherfucking baby jesus you are offensive.

[Quote] Is it a natural talent or do you work for that?

What surprises me most is that he had likes within minutes. I suppose he's liking his own posts.

R330 I thought the same thing. What a fucking loser.

[quote] I doubt that. At best, you come across a boor.

That's what I expect a fem and a woman to say, under you prissy controlling self, which only proves my point. What you call boor is just jest to most men and one of the many ways though which men show affection and relatability, you know the ones you don't hang out with?

R332 Hey, popular "guy". Don't you have many friends to hang out with? Leave us fem gays that are ignorant of the world talk shit on this anonymous thread.

We get it: you're blessed with wisdom and we're not. You can go now.

[Quote] your controlling self

Physician, heal thyself.

Not sure anyone has said he snubs fans R308. If that he’s not a nice guy. Im not his biggest fan but he seems like a perfectly nice chap. Nice, nice, nice.. a bit too trying to be mature rather than having fun. He seems very practiced & put together, as PP said, he’s not new to this. But it just comes across a bit blahhh. But he remains hero worshipped so good for him.

I don’t give a shit if he’s gay, straight , bi or a fucking dinosaur but I wasn’t impressed with his hissy fit & then vanishing off socials like he was mortally wounded. You are in a queer show mate, you need a thicker skin. Just brush it off & move on. Or you know, do the honest thing & be proud or an ally. They’ll love you either way!

[Quote] What you call boor is just jest to most men and one of the many ways though which men show affection and relatability

Oh, so you relate to me and have affection for me. Good to know. I don't have warm feelings for you.

My impression of Kit has been that he's a rather anxious person. It doesn't surprise me that he is seemingly retiring.

Damn, those jeans are tight on Kit.

I'm at work and ironically hanging around here is part of it. So I'll stay. I'll play ball tonight, so I'll tell them know you said hi. ✌🏼

[Quote] I'll tell them know

Tell them to teach you English.

Bash on twitter and Joe agrees

It's absurd that you ignore these kids are still teenagers and probably struggling with their own sexuality. It took Ronen Rubinstein to play a gay character to realize he was bi.

I see some posts mention Elite as a contrast to Heartstoppers. I prefer Elite, but because I think it is entertaining (not the least bit realistic). Heartstoppers is cute. I also agree that Sex Education is way over the top. What about Love, Victor? It’s kind of in between and the characters & their lives seem more real than these other shows.

[Quote] It took Ronen Rubinstein to play a gay character to realize he was bi.

Sure, Jan.

....

If you watch Tobie Donovan's vlogs on YouTube you'll notice a striking difference between Joe and Kit. Joe is friendly and nice with everyone and Kit is withdrawn and distant.

Maybe Joe wasn't kidding when asked what he thought of Kit when they first met, he said; Kit was very very lovely and nice, almost too nice, but that quickly faded or something like that, can't remember the exact word he used.

Kit is quite playful in the latest video. Plenty of actors conserve their energy on set.

The meat of the conversation at r345 starts after 7 minutes.

The fact that Kits says "maybe some people aren't ready to come out" and then follows up with "I'm confident in my sexuality" just adds to the "hands off"/"talking around the situation" impression he gives that diverges hugely from the one given by the rest of the cast.

R345 Oh Kit, sexualities aren't labels.

That podcast is rather flip floppy. "Your identity is your own" on the one hand, while concluding with "the power of representation" on the other. I take the position that if you don't want to talk about your sexuality, don't talk about it. It grates to hear you talk about why you're NOT talking about it... while you also extoll the power of representation.

He's right.

It says a lot about some of you on here over analysing and twisting his interview and thinking you know more about his sexuality than he does.

Honestly, he really grinds my gears on this one. Again, I’m sure he’s a good, nice person. But his stance on this drives me insane. The power of representation Kit is to not hide in the fucking closet about your sexuality. If you are super comfortable with it, be honest. Be gay or bi and proud. OR be the best fucking ally you can be. It doesn’t matter either way. Queer TV is one thing but real life queer rep matters even more.

Id suggest some of you tweens go watch something like Milk to get just a basic, easy to digest understanding of why it matters. Cos it really fucking matters, even in 2022.

It's especially odd for him to claim that the lesbian party kiss made him more confident in himself and that it would for anyone...

He has just turned 18, I would think Kit is understandably feeling the relentless pressure of insta-fame. No doubt the showrunners expect him to engage on social media to promote the show, and Twitter and Instagram are relentless cesspools of lunacy and intrusiveness. He is supporting the project's inclusiveness mantra as the cast is naturally expected to do - but my own instincts are that he is simply resisting coming out as straight and 'spoiling the soup'. He will find his footing.

[Quote] my own instincts are that he is simply resisting coming out as straight and 'spoiling the soup'.

Same.

He's a teenager, fuck you. Let this person grow up and figure himself out. There are already 2 straights in the group. No straight person says they don't want to talk about it. He spells out: he doesn't want to define it.

He has said that he's confident and comfortable in his sexuality. He has made a point of saying that.

[Quote] No straight person says they don't want to talk about it.

Didn't that How To Get Away With Murder actor play that game for years?

Were you not a teen? He says he knows what he is, for sure. If straight he would've said it, because that gives him no grief. Coming out as something else will. He pretty much acknowledged he's not straight. Assuming he sees himself as fluid, like Avan Jogia, he's still not straight and will be afraid of the response.

There's also fluid and fluid. That deaf actor came out as fluid, but he openly states he had sex with men, many as a matter of fact. Some other fluids never hook up with the same sex, which most likely means they're straight. So there's that.

You can be confident on your sexuality, meaning you know who you are and not comfortable coming out.

[Quote] If straight he would've said it, because that gives him no grief.

As has been pointed out, that not necessarily true when he's playing a romantic lead who's not straight.

[Quote] he sees himself as fluid, like Avan Jogia,

?

The lesbian is straight too. So is Michael Cimino, well actually I think he's blatantly bi but you know what I'm saying.

r364 when Know Apocalypse came out, Avan was asked about his sexuality because he was playing a bisexual man falling in love with another man. He said he didn't wanted to label himself and thought himself as fluid. I think you can easily find this interview.

[Quote] thought himself as fluid

Bet he's never been pictured with a boyfriend.

Pictured with a bf for you to personally approve he ticks all your boxes? Give me a break. The guy is not straight so give it up already.

He ain't involved with any male boxes, none that he'd claim, anyway.

Fluid = I'd let a horny gay man suck my dick at a party and wouldn't be ashamed about it.

It doesn't mean they're actually attracted to men or would deliberately seek men for sex/romance. You shouldn't expect anything from these "fluid" celebrities. They're basically straight guys that are happy to get a nut wherever it comes from.

[Quote] They're basically straight guys that are happy to get a nut wherever it comes from

This shit is only something some gay men spew while furiously masturbating.

This poor guy Kit can not come out as straight, cause he would get shit from the woke crowd for being another straight guy taking away the roles from queers.

Kit and Joe were cute and supportive of each other on social media today (for the NTAs and Kit's latest photo shoot). I wonder if part of the annoyance and not seeming particularly close that people picked up on was the similarity of the interview questions they were asked? I watched a few for the first time today, and noticed they were in the same outfits for a lot so clearly had 2-3 press days, during which they were asked first impressions of one another, funniest moments on set, and so on multiple times. No matter how much I love someone if i hear them repeat the same story for the 5th time that weekend and have to act like it's novel or funny I would come off so annoyed.

New Joe / Kit interview with IMDb; they come off quite fond of each other here so it may genuinely have been burnout and misreading banter where annoyance was previously picked up. Also laughed at Joe's worst moment being crying so much from tiredness that he needed to go home; bless him.

Some interesting insight from the “main 4” and the comic creator Alice.

Instagram Follower-wise, Kit is way way ahead of the others and the guys generally speaking are really ahead of the girls. I feel a bit bad for Joe; I thought he also gave a really good performance but I’m guessing the primarily teenage audience being into Kit and projecting the perfect boyfriend onto him gives him a boost.

Kit (Nick): 3.9 million Joe (Charlie): 2.8 million Will (Tao): 1.7 million Bash (Ben): 1.5 million Yaz (Elle): 1.4 million Kizzy (Darcy): 702K Corinna (Tara): 493K Jennie (Tori): 490K Tobie (Isaac): 423K Rhea (Imogen): 374K

Kit had a bigger following to begin with to be fair, not a million more but certainly far more than Joe.

Kit is far more straight than Joe. And sadly, that’ll be a big reason for his extra million. And I’m not saying he is straight but he is far more classically 18 year old ‘lad’. Favourite TV show is one featuring loadsa heterosexual sex. He dresses in chinos & a shirt. Or a bog standard suit. He’s a kinda polar opposite to Joe who has fully embraced his gayness & is rocking flurocent pink suits to the BAFTAs, wearing 300 rings & necklaces and who is out & who clearly has a boyfriend. Joe is far more niche but actually, I think that might work out pretty well for him.

R377 Yeah I have noticed that while the show as a whole is obviously beloved by the community, Joe seems to be the one really embraced more closely by it, and who seems more involved. Russell T. Davies and Ncuti Gatwa (the next Dr. Who) follow him but not Kit, for instance. To be clear I don't think this means Kit won't have a great career - Baz Luhrmann just posted a picture with him and he's gotten much of the critical hype - but I think Joe being out and proud early in his career really endeared him to a lot of people. Interestingly a lot of the gay directors etc I looked at who follow Joe also follow Bash, so if he is thinking about coming out "formally" i think he could garner comparable support.