Madonna Hit The Stage Tonight Drunk

I used to absolutely worship this tragedy.

Who is she with on the stage, OP? Maluma?

It’s not even funny anymore.

Yes, r2.

As a young man, Madonna was my wakeup call to the bullshit of celebrity. I got off her train many years ago when I realised it was all a tragic con.

I used to worship her too. She no longer inspires. She's pathetic nowadays. I can't believe it's the same person.

What an old whore.

Does someone tell her where she is?

She's too rich to be sectioned but that is what she needs if we genuinely love our elders, which we don't, we won't, and we shouldn't.

She's a mess.

Baby Jane Hudson meets Shirley Stoler.

Lady Gaga has surpassed her. Sad last years.

Guy Oseary needs to do something. Freddy and Liz would never let this shit happen.

She used to be in control what happened?

So she's a drinker now?

She couldn't cope with ageing.

Clearly. And yet she ages.

Yes, she’s a known alcoholic and opioid addiction is now rumored. Her bathroom is full of prescription bottles. She’s in video screaming how much pain she’s in and she needs to take something. Her daughter wrote about her oxy taking. Madonna even said she prefers opioids on Jimmy Fallon. She’s in serious trouble. She’s been nuts for years but that broken hip really destroyed her. She’s always smoking joints and drinking. She’s a bloated mess.

Last chapter of a no-talent.

You’d think she would have transitioned into cool older celeb like so many of the Hollywood icons she copied. Instead she’s regressed into a child. There was no reason she had to turn into this. There are a ton of women in their 60s who people consider cool and sexy and they didn’t resort to this nonsense.

She’s in MJ territory. She’s barely recognizable.

She attained vast power by marketing her sexuality.

Now she's older that power is evaporating and she can't cope.

The way out is to stop focussing on sex and self gratification and to look to something bigger and more profound. She has the resources to throw herself into something like philanthropy. That's the way out.

……and yet it sounds like there are people in the audience who are utterly enraptured. I have no idea why.

Sad old cunt.

I trust "Like A Virgin" is no longer in her repertoire.

Touched for the very last time.

She should have died back in 2005, for her legacy’s sake.

She did, R26. She didn't get the obit.

Mae West had a lot more dignity.

She's no Mae West.

I only saw Truth or Dare one time, but I've never forgotten this line from it: "She's on a race against time."

Time won. It always does.

Everything she does nowadays is shit. When I heard she was singing with Maluma, it would be a mess and here we are.

R22, it’s Columbia. They adore shit.

When she sang ‘Die Another Day’, I think she was singing about today.

She seemed to go off the rails after her divorce.

Just sad.

Drunk or drugs? Because I think she got fucked up on prescription drugs a few years ago.

R31 Some places are decades behind.

She’s now in her final Judy Garland/Billie Holliday spiral. There are better ways to go.

She's not only shitfaced, she is also really out of shape. I wonder if her ex tried to tell her she needed help and she kicked him out.

Is she really on a World Tour ?

Guess she wasn't invited to the Met Ball on Monday

Guest at his tour.

Pathetic old hag.

M A D O N N A

It's hard to believe that Madonna was about 5 years old when Cher had her first hit and Cher is still cool 🤔

She is the last of the 80s titans.

Prince

MJ

Whitney

George.... all DEAD

Wow. Gaga really had the last laugh. Still on top. Loved by everyone. I really never ever thought I'd say that. Just assumed Madonna was like Cher or Barbra. Invincible for the most part.

Honestly, Gaga should throw Madonna a lifeline and duet with her.

She's a cunt.

Probably a combination of drugs and narcissism.

Every time Guy Ritchie sees a clip like this he breaks into a cold sweat, starts to hyperventilate and then runs to the bank to make sure the $50 million is still there 😳

Wow. She's gone full-on 21st-century trashy Baby Jane.

Look a mommy. Look at mommy.

The Madonna I knew would never have allowed herself to get this fat.

What is wrong with her? Seriously!

^ You want a list?

Granny whore.

[quote]She seemed to go off the rails after her divorce.

Which one?

Longer video, so sad

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She's not just fat, she's sloppy, which just seems so out of character for the old (well, young) Madonna. For a while I thought she might just be trolling now with all of these stunts -- kind of a punk act to really piss people off and "empower" herself, but no... She's just a fat, drunken (and then some) slob. Even her rehearsal video is ridiculous. How does she see herself? Is she seriously this delusional? I wonder how this will end for her. Not well.

What a fucking mess. That song is 22 years old and she doesn’t even know when the first verse starts????

She dances like Miss Lindsey...

The only thing left that she hasn’t done that actually might shock people is to have anal sex on stage while wearing a headset microphone and singing “Erotica.”

Oh good lord, she can't even step in time to the music. This is REALLY bad. She needs an intervention at this point.

J'adore r60!

I haven't followed Madonna in ages. She was never my cup of tea but I grew up with her sound. WTF happened? She used to be so disciplined

I think the word you're looking for is Reductive.

Damn, she looks so winded.

She looks like a hunchback.

Are both her knees blown out? She’s consistently keeping them bent throughout these numbers like she’s trying to lessen the impact.

She is thiccc.

And washted.

Da Butt!

She sounds ok (Maluma track), if she is even really singing?

hahahahahahahahaha

She looks awful and moves like a little old lady and she's clearly delusional. But what are you all seeing that points to Madonna be being very drunk and/or high? Performers under bright lights onstage always have tiny pupils.

I wouldn't think she'd be able to dance around (however ungracefully) if she were truly off her tits. When I think publicly drunk, I remember people like Johnny Depp and Peter O'Toole stumbling around and slurring and weaving from side to side even while trying to stand still.

She really has no one in her life who gives a shit about her.

Love you long time Miss r60!!!

Is she on steroids? That face is ready to burst. Gotten fat too. Peggy Lee had more dignity than this old broad.

I doubt she's drunk or high, but her moves are ungainly and costume unflattering. Especially in those bits when she's in front of the tall, leggy women dancers. And it does appear as if she'd developing a hunch back.

Where's The Potty?!

Entering Baby Jane Hudson territory. .

She doesn't look drunk or high to you when she's trying to swing the jacket around? When she's stumbling forward with the hat in her hands? Really?

Madonna’s collapse is as bad as when Whitney started collapsing. Two of my favorites. Yes, I’m old.

If Madonna died today, it wouldn't make any difference. She's utterly irrelevant.

R81 same with Judy Garland, Elvis Presley, and Whitney Houston before they died. No one remembers them or cares about them anymore obviously.

Her main gimmick throughout her life has been exploitation of others and burned every bridge she's ever crossed. . . y'all just finally have an undeniable physical representation of the monster behind the curtain.

She's just laughable now... which is why so many more feel pity for her. All she has left are grifters that want to use her as much as she wants to use them. And I'd even wager she's not as out of sorts as some people believe.. that she'd be willing to accept the attention of being a clown than to have no attention at all. She thrives on being a disruption. . . just more hamfisted than say Courtney Love.

Madge was always a trainwreck... she has never once switched tracks.

She's really no different than other leathery old upper class italian fraus with too much money and too much time on their hands.

Think about it for a moment.. consider how trailer trash Donatella is

look at the major isntagram influencers and the like...

the perpetual trust fund babies especially the fat, bloated, aging euro set.

all seemingly set on becoming parodies of a parody; Edina Monsoon.

I wouldn't say no one, R82. At least those people you listed had talent.

Anna Anna Glamorous Anna Anna Nicole

Very Anna Nicole. I wish she would remove butt implants and find a good stylist. I doubt she would listen to anyone though.

She tried the philanthropy route via Malawi, but ended with adopting kids who still had parents. She could have done more good but ego always wins.

And I agree she hasn’t changed, the ugliness in her is now visible.

I miss the Madonna who rarely drank and didn't do drugs. That Madonna was someone who had power. This one is just Norma Desmond.

She has arthritis which could explain some of the heavy-footed lumbering. Opiates are not recommended for the condition but often prescribed. She's 5 years younger than me and she's at the tail end of being able to accomplish even this freakish performance.

[quote]And I'd even wager she's not as out of sorts as some people believe.. that she'd be willing to accept the attention of being a clown than to have no attention at all.

I have to agree with this as well. I also think she gradually dropped the control freakishness that dominated her for so many years. If anything, I think this is the closest to her not giving two fucks that she's ever been.

As much as I liked her music for so many years, she always came off as humorless and uptight in her interviews. I never got the sense that she was much fun to be around, nor really knew how to have a good time. But looking at her instagram pics and seeing videos of her with her family, it does seem like she's mellowed a bit and learned to enjoy herself.

[quote]She has arthritis

You don’t know that?

[quote]it does seem like she's mellowed a bit and learned to enjoy herself.

Honey, she had five young people sit and watch her latest tour disaster and tell them how inspired they were by it. She hasn’t mellowed at all. She’s still up her own fake ass and has no sense of humor.

This gif.

Madonna was not always humorless in interviews--at least not until after the early 10s. Even during the Confessions era, I watched an interview of her on some British show and she was actually really good at poking fun at herself. This clip makes me laugh.

R93 new role

This is actually sad

Why do I hear Chewbacca’s voice coming out of her?

She really got fat.

That face.

How can you see her pupils op? 🕶

R91 I say she has arthritis because of a photo that made the rounds years ago (2006) when she emerged from a drugstore in London carrying a transparent bag with arthritis medication clearly visible. My first thought was wtf why is a drugstore using transparent bags but of course the chatter was about Madonna showing signs of age. Most people were sympathetic though, she hadn't yet alienated everyone including her son.

I realize I sounded like an insider when I made that post, ooops. Too lazy to look for the image but this link refers to it. Also, she had "regenerative" surgery on her knee recently, the cartilage is gone.

PO-TAY-TOE

Her performance is worse than drunk karaoke.

I'll say something positive about this performance...

At least she is wearing color. For the past few yeas, all you ever see her in is drab black while on stage.

Gotta say, I fuckin love this, as sad as it is it’s also fascinating seeing her go off the rails. Like I always say, I wonder what Liz Rosenberg must think when these videos and stories cross her radar.

[quote] How can you see her pupils op?

She wasn’t wearing sunglasses for the first half. You could clearly see it. Many people were noticing it.

Madonna used to be more flexible [see music video.]

Her Stonewall performance last year was an even bigger trainwreck.

Madonna's a whoring whore-whore.

[quote]She doesn't look drunk or high to you when she's trying to swing the jacket around? When she's stumbling forward with the hat in her hands? Really?

She looks like an old lady with arthritis and osteoporosis who can barely get around. She's probably on opiates though.

Her hip and knee problems couldn't have been helped by having that giant ass installed.

I really don't see the point of performing if you're just going to sing along to a backing track and your live voice is barely audible. I think it's worse than lip syncing. At least in the past her lip syncing could be excused because she'd be dancing all the time.

This is sad to see. I've been a fan in the past. I've trashed her in recent years because I thought she was still capable of delivering the greatness she did before. I don't think she is anymore.

Is she top heavy?

R28 Mae West had a lot more dignity, are you fucking kidding me? Clearly you never saw “Sexette” where they pretended she wasn’t 800 years old.

She’s no different from Mae West or Peggy Lee, who looked like a nightmare in a wheelchair towards the end with a bad facelift and that white wig. She looked like Danny Devito when he dressed up as Andy Warhol in Its Always Sunny.

It's heartbreaking. She hasn't made a good album in 17 years. She no longer pushes the dial on pop cultural and sexual politics. Sometimes it's just better to go out with dignity. She should pull a Garbo rather than a Desmond.

She nucking futs!

Here’s the full performance, the second half is hard to watch she can’t even remember when she’s supposed to sing. By the way did she get a hunchback implant to match the butt

I had always hoped she would age glamourously like Dietrich, not turn into a vulgar bratz doll

I think the hunchback is natural.

I noticed the hunchback during Reinvention but dismissed it as just bad posture.

Do you honestly see this woman being able to live at 75? She can’t even deal with the prospect of being 65. This isn’t going to end well. She’s too mentally ill.

Sunglasses?

Sweetie, darling.

In all honesty, I think Ray Of Light was her last true great album from start to finish, and the end of the classic Madonna era. Music and Confessions had moments of greatness, but as albums, they were uneven as a whole.

Once she married for a second time, and moved to England, I knew a few major fans of hers who started to rapidly lose interest. And they haven't been swayed back since.

Before and after.

[quote] Her main gimmick throughout her life has been exploitation of others and burned every bridge she's ever crossed. . . y'all just finally have an undeniable physical representation of the monster behind the curtain.

Agreed, but I would argue she revealed that monster long ago in Truth or Dare. I think some people thought she was hamming it up for the camera and wasn’t as bad as she sometimes appeared in that movie.

She seems out of breath, and that horrid pink is the color of what she should be drinking instead of all the booze - Pepto Bismal.

Ray of Light was a fucking bore. She only had one great album from start to finish - True Blue.

To be fair, I'm not sure what the fuck he's wearing either.

Her fans are delusional. It's "misogyny"! "She didn't have time to rehearse"! "She's recovering from knee surgery"!

Deflect. Delusional.

I wonder what her 4 adopted African children think. I always found it odd that she adopted 4 of them after having 2 kids. She never seemed like the type who would be a good mother to begin with and then suddenly she had 6 kids. Should have stopped after Lourdes. That being said, she hopefully has good nannies raising the younger kids so they’re probably fine. They must find her quite disturbing.

I used to think she was so hot. What a mess.

This Maluma guy's straight?

So what really happened with her and Guy? I heard she kind of forced/rushed him into marriage.

^ Here, this was directed by Guy. Kind of gives a rundown of life with Madge...

r123

^ Yep 😂🤣

Poor Madge.

I haven't read the entire thread so apologies in advance if I repeat. I have seen so many threads on Madonna over the last few years here on DL and I hardly read them. I don't even know why I am reading this one. Like others, I just find the descent into wherever she is heading pretty awful to watch frankly. I remember when she first came out as this pop sensation and she was great. So fresh, attractive, great tunes, and always looking to re-invent herself. She was not boring.

Now, she's uncognizable. You have to have to be pretty spaced out to go up on stage and behave like you have no decorum, no self-respect and not only that you are essentially "desecrating" your reputation, everything you built up over the years. The excessive plastic surgery is just another symptom of the internal turmoil (drugs, booze, menopause, whatever). She's not that old. She'll be 64 in August - that is still relatively young. Way too young to be heading in such a downard spiral. What baffles me is she used to have such discipline. Diet. Exercise. Food. etc. Now this car accident.

She reminds me kind of what it is going on with J.Old right now. J.Lo will be 53 in July and she's another one who is playing out some serious desperation in the media with Ben Affleck.

What is it that makes these otherwise smart women lose it. Completely?

Poor dear looks like Adore Delano on a bad night.

It's ironic that the take on Madonna throughout her whole career was her uncanny ability to read the zeitgeist and transform herself into something relevant. Now she obviously doesn't have enough self-awareness to realize she's in no shape to perform in public. It's a sad descent from Queen of Pop to Baby Jane Ciccone.

R138 she cannot cope with aging. And now she has a substance abuse problem.

Wow jesus.

Just watched the whole thing. I don't know where to start. You were right, R117, the 2nd half is really hard to watch.

Clumsy, stiff, awkward, unprepared… An absolute mess of a "performance".

Tina Turner danced better at 70 in 4-inch heels for two hours straight.

all her worthlessness has caught up to her.

It's hard to be believe that this was just 10 years ago

Is there a mere chance that this is all a farce to keep her in the headlines?

I just cannot accept that one of the most savvy women in show business let this happen.

It’s totally possible. We’re all only human and can only bear so much, but FUCK! This SUCKS!

I love Madge!

She got me through some really tough times and allowed me to aspire to more, through her messaging via her songs.

I will not ridicule her. I want her to be OK.

I'm guessing that the combination of the Brit Awards fall and years of dancing, in addition to the mental strain of the divorce contributed to the Madonna we have now.

She will never headline a big world tour again. If she does, it will be a disaster or never happen like MJ's.

[r138] I agree

r145 It's quite probable -- investment wise, people are more apt to come to see the wreck than a reboot. So, as this, while it might hurt her legacy in the longterm... it's bringing in "reality" money even without a formal show. She's stays longer in the public eye and we're talking about her. Both her and J.Lo run afoul that they're both more performance artists more than singers. They're not the type you pay to see to just sing.

And if they can't manage it (honestly, more of theme should take note of how Mylene or even Celine has gotten around her limitations by increasing production value), this is certainly a viable alternative. . . it makes the headlines, we're discussing it but overall, the impact it has is small as many of younger simply aren't paying attention. It's grandma music.

It's also possible given her family's mental health history and being at the tail end of menopause, she's moved from functioning nutter to full-on headcase. We still don't fully understand the impact of menopause on mental health but we do know with pre-existing conditions and susceptibility/family history, the stakes run higher towards developing or worsening psychosis.

But, as others have stated, it could also be the injury that opened the doorway to greater addiction issues.

Though much of the aging elite are confounded in trying to understand the younger generations- we're already onto alphas now and the oldest among them are tweens, pop consumers. . . with less of attention span than the previous two.

The lockdowns was the real tipping point. . . to the extent now intentionally bad cosmetic treatments is all the rage. . . as it has been for quite some time with the younger gens that want people to recognize they've had procedures done and venturing towards the extremes of what was previously thought of extreme.

So, it could be anything really...

LOL. What a mess. Oh well. Truth be told I would probably debase myself publicly to grind onstage with Maluma. .

R148, say what you will about J.Lo's talent, but she would never be seen in public looking like this and delivering such a clunky performance. J.Lo is redefining the perception of women of a certain age. She still looks stunning even without the crazy filters.

Yeah, J. Lo still presents herself looking well. Madonna does not look well.

And JLo just had a movie a couple of years back that gave her the best reviews of her career.

Madonna's acting career has been over for twenty years.

I get the J.Lo comparison as far as performance artist, but come on, she’s much younger than Madonna so it’s not really a fair comparison. She can still dance and is still attractive. Madonna was never a vocalist and now that she’s older she can’t rely on the dancing and edginess. Although I give her credit because I’m not sure how I’d move at 63.

Shhh. Maybe if we're all real quiet. It'll go away.

She's like a big old cockroach that won't go away.

[quote]being at the tail end of menopause, she's moved from functioning nutter to full-on headcase.

She's about ten years beyond menopause.

R84 The people I mentioned never a wrote a song in their entire lives, so there’s something Madonna can do that they couldn’t

R117 Christ that was painful to watch. Madonna has made the full on transition to oompa loompa.

[quote]Her fans are delusional. It's "misogyny"! "She didn't have time to rehearse"! "She's recovering from knee surgery"! Deflect. Delusional.

They’re a cult. They regurgitate her talking points and even try to live like her. It’s weird.

R157, Madonna has written like one song on her own. She plagiarizes and changed a word or a line from a demo handed to her in order to get royalties on it.

[quote]but come on, she’s much younger than Madonna

They’re 10 years apart. Give me a break. She’s not THAT much younger.

Here she is drunk while trying to introduce her new music

The reason she had non-stop yours is because she needs constant adulation. This woman would buy an audience to applaud her if need be. She has a laundry list of personality disorders. Now she’s the perpetual victim. I still can’t believe she got up on stage and said that Camille Paglia called her a bad feminist. Madonna is one of the dumbest people on the planet - Trump dumb with the same ego.

[quote]It's also possible given her family's mental health history and being at the tail end of menopause, she's moved from functioning nutter to full-on headcase.

Honey, she’s long past menopause. She probably didn’t even get her period anymore sometime in her 40s due to being bone thin and all muscle.

[quote]She will never headline a big world tour again. If she does, it will be a disaster or never happen like MJ's.

Live Nation pulled the plug on her doing a big tour. Her Rebel Heart Tour was not selling (they fudge the numbers for investors, everyone saw half-filled arenas). She was forced to do a small theater show and even that didn’t sell. They were giving tickets away at the door.

R160, interesting - proof of that? When did you work with her?

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John Cameron Mitchell on Madonna’s ‘Desperation’ and Hollywood’s ‘Lazy’ Feminism

“There was a time in the early ’80s when if you were gay you had to decide whether you were a Cyndi Lauper or a Madonna person, and there was no question for me,” Mitchell said during a recent phone interview. “I see no soul there, and it’s all about herself. I appreciate that she spoke up about AIDS and queer people, but there was also a kind of appropriation. I don’t know. I feel like she’s a user. [People] see a sort of desperation in her. She’s trying to remain relevant.”

I still can’t get over that ridiculous eye patch.

The letter she wrote is really revealing:

"It’s so unequivocally frustrating to read that Whitney Houston has the music career I wish I had and Sharon Stone has the film career I’ll never have," Madonna wrote. "Not because I want to be these women because I’d rather die, but they’re so horribly mediocre and they’re always being held up as paragons of virtue [or] some sort of measuring stick to humiliate me."

Madonna was obviously feeling underappreciated when she wrote the letter and complained, Everything I do is so original and unique and I put so much of myself into it like my book and record and its only brought me heartache and pain.

I dont think I can play the game to be accepted, she wrote, Im too intelligent, I have too much pride.

Madonna, who won her first of her seven Grammy Awards in 1992, suggested to Enos that she was born in the wrong place and time and probably the wrong sex! And the legendary entertainer ended the letter on a rather dark note.

I feel like I have no career, no family, nothing permanent or tangible, Madonna wrote.

My outlook on life is black black black thats why Im no good for you or anyone else right now. I have to regain my sense of power and my joy for living.

I don't understand the cruelty. If Madonna is in a bad place, an alcoholic or mentally ill, why do many of you laugh, mock, and ridicule her when she's down? Is it in your nature to be mean to people descending into madness?

R171, I think it's because she's been so shitty to so many people for the past 40+ years.

[quote] Should have stopped after Lourdes.

What!?! And not given us that god of young men, Rocco??

Someone needs to hit Madonna into oblivion. She is so over!

For some people Madonna was never much of anything. Her music was nothing special and she 'wrote' her songs with about 5-10 other people! It's laughable that people are so gullible, they think she wrote her hits, she didn't.

Madonna's entire schtick was about artifice, the 'music' took a backseat to all the image changes and the fake controversy. You want to see a big stage production? Go to Las Vegas. Most musicians put their music first, image second. Not Madonna.

Madonna herself said in an old print interview, if she didn't make it as dancer, she'd find another way to become rich, that's all she cared about, money, not anything creative or long lasting. Madonna happened upon something that people bought into. Her backstory, of coming to NYC with $35 in her pocket, was yet more bullshit.

Who the hell would listen to the rantings of Camille Paglia, she's another self-absorbed loony-toon.

R123 OMG she truly does look like an old woman out of breath who can’t keep up while trying to dance. Almost like a parody.

In that concert footage, when Madonna backed up her ass into Maluma's groin, it looked like Maluma was sodomizing a clown corpse.

[quote] and yet it sounds like there are people in the audience who are utterly enraptured.

The guy filming this couldn’t stop laughing though.

[quote]"It’s so unequivocally frustrating to read that Whitney Houston has the music career I wish I had and Sharon Stone has the film career I’ll never have," Madonna wrote. "Not because I want to be these women because I’d rather die, but they’re so horribly mediocre and they’re always being held up as paragons of virtue [or] some sort of measuring stick to humiliate me."

Mediocre? Who the hell is this nut-job kidding. I read this shit and all I can do is laugh.

Whitney had an amazing voice, she didn't need all the fake controversy and all the other bullshit Madonna needed to become famous. Its unfortunate that Whitney couldn't come out of the closet, which lead to her marrying a man she clearly didn't love, her drug addiction and ultimately, her death.

Madonna comparing herself to Sharon Stone, yet more hilarity! Madonna cannot act to save her life! In 'Desperately Seeking Susan', Madonna essentially played. a version of herself. That's not acting. In her other films, it was obvious she didn't have any acting ability. The remake of Lina Wertmuller's 'Swept Away', was a waste of film.

At the very end, Maluma (whom we all know on a first-name basis at this point) is almost taking on the role of a kindly home-health aide for an elderly aphasia patient, gently and good-naturedly coaxing his confused ward to the floor so that she can straddle him per the rehearsal dictates. What is supposed to translate as throbbing, sexual heat comes across as demented tragedy.

OP's clip is so sad and pathetic. She looks like a wobbly 80 year old trying to dance at a relative's wedding.

Some performers cannot admit it's over. Or even try to move on to something else, to re-invent themselves.

The clip definitely proves that Madonna cannot admit her career is over. I suppose most of the people cheering her on weren't born when Madonna was first famous, they want to experience something they were not able to do in the past, that's why they are there. Then, there are Madonna's hardcore fans who think she can do no wrong, they still worship her nonsense. [bold]Now its geriatric nonsense. [/bold]

Payback is a bitch. Treated people like trash. I think it’s Hilarious. I’m waiting for her to fall off the stage.

As a hardcore fan...I cannot even look at her pictures anymore. She's so messed up. I think back to the late 90s when I was in middle school and I disccovered The Immaculate Collection. I listened to that thing for years. This was also when she released Ray of Light and it was a great time to be a fan of hers. I can't believe this is the same person.

R171, I think a lot of sympathy for her evaporated at her last tour, where she kept her fans waiting for hours, such that many of them wound up getting only a couple hours of sleep on a weeknight. At that point, those were the die-hard fans that had stuck with her through critical and/or commercial disappointments, had defended her while others eviscerated her. And that was how she paid them back. You get what you give.

[quote]Who the hell would listen to the rantings of Camille Paglia, she's another self-absorbed loony-toon.

Camille is anything but. Sure, she loves to hear herself speak and tries to get a rise out of everyone, but she has been right 99% of the time. She was one of the first sex positive feminists out there and she got tons of crap for it by hysterical yentas.

[quote]at her last tour, where she kept her fans waiting for hours

She's been doing that since she toured for Hard Candy.

That and the shitty setlists is why fans left.

Camille is also a NAMBLA defender...and I don't mean the one for Marlon Brando lookalikes!

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[quote]and yet it sounds like there are people in the audience who are utterly enraptured.

It’s Latin America, it was a Maluma concert. She was a guest at the very end of the show. They’re there for him.

r186 Germaine Greer, too, also a Madge lover.

r174 There's another story you can find about the released demos... which has morphed from intentionally sending her demos to urban stations without details to present her as African American, so it would be played and see if she could pass to no one would play her music because they thought she sounded black, then she freed the slaves from their chains and made it cool to the whites to be black in the last couple decades in the revision of madge mythology. . . especially after the tupac letter stunt.

Even in r144 she was starting to look stiff and clumsy, people commented on it at the time.

Norma Desmadonna

She's in the National Enquirer's "Tragic Last Days" stage.

Can she come back from this debacle?

I feel sorry for her and I was never a fan.

R19 Spot on. She could have been elegant, classy, sophisticated…like an older version of her 1997 Gucci phase. For a long time I thought this train wreck was an act…but it’s her. It undermines her legacy.

Marlene Dietrich—who needed to perform and who Madonna copied at times—knew how to age gracefully. Here she is at 66.

She’s not drunk- just trying to do her same old “edgy” thang. Kind of aged out and all the physical changes don’t help. She’s kind of a freak act. But it’s all consistent with her past.

[quote] Can she come back from this debacle?

No. If anything, it will get worse. The last time the public showed any kind of affection or sympathy for Madonna was when she fell at the Brit Awards. That was over five or six years ago.

I’m surprised the Daily Fail didn’t report on this mess.

Never really liked her. Never thought she was all that great nor unique.

But good Lord! Doesn't the poor woman have anyone at all close enough to her to tell her to stop, retire to a villa, take up gardening and prepare for grandchildren?

I actually feel sorry for her. Is she that personality disordered and empty that she can't realize how foolish and destructive this is, to herself and whatever legacy a poor singer and middling entertainer can have?

Doesn't she have more money than God at this point?

She’s very fat/thick in the center.

She will not accept that Madame X was a flop. She keeps doing it over and over and over. That same hairstyle she wore 3 or 4 years ago. And that hideous pink tutu creation seems inspired by Baby Jane Hudson.

She needs to do a 'Naomi' and check out before she does any more damage to her reputation.

She was once compared favorably to Marilyn Monroe. Now she's compared unfavorably to Mae West. That must sting, but it's completely accurate. She has nothing but enablers around her.

It's pretty cruel to say she's better off suiciding.

What the hell happened to her since her 2012 Super Bowl Halftime Show. Posted at R144.

Only 10 years ago and now she's a completely different person.

[quote]Only 10 years ago and now she's a completely different person.

Are you the same person today that you were 10 years ago?

R204, I think a shape-shifting alien invaded her body. She's not only a physical mess, but she's also posted some crazy Qanon bullshit which she eventually deleted. I think the true victim here is poor Rocco.

[quote]So what really happened with her and Guy? I heard she kind of forced/rushed him into marriage.

And a circumcision. (Poor Guy.)

Rocco is on another continent living his life. How is he a victim?

It's time for her to follow Joan Crawford or Marlene herself, her heroines, and step off the stage.

R208, imagine having THAT as your mother with your friends ridiculing and teasing you non-stop. I feel sorry for the kid.

Was she in Columbia trying to snag herself a new boytoy?

She destroyed her joints with choreography like this at 4:12. She was 43 at the time. No wonder she's hooked on painkillers.

Rocco is probably nervous about taking his male friends to meet her for fear she'll try to seduce them.

R210 that's sadly part of growing up for many of us. Disclaiming responsibility for our parents' idiocies and forming our own identity.

If he is smart, he will become an expert at something and live out of the public eye, where no one will care.

Her twerking into Maluma's crotch is a blatant ripoff of the Miley Cyrus and Robin Thicke live performance of We Can't Stop/Blurred Lines/Give It 2 U from about ten years ago.

Maluma's pants are even identical to the pants Thicke wore at the time.

Hilarious that Madge went from a gym rat who spent hours every day working out and taking care of herself to this messy drunk.

Alcohol kills anxiety and pain killers gives you a false sense of reality.

I don't think it's been pointed out enough that she not only photoshops her face to an extreme degree on her IG but her body as well. She looks skinny in all the posts that focus on her body. She clearly is not.

She's 95. people, give her a break! She has no cartilage left in her body. It makes it harder to dance!

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"It's time for her to follow Joan Crawford or Marlene herself, her heroines..."

She'd never heard of Marilyn, Marlene, Betty Boop, etc. til her brother influenced her career in the 80s. She was a dykey little street urchin with hairy armpits singing Punk rock when he repackaged her with a gay aesthetic. Dance music, movies, Broadway, Kaballah all followed.

When Guy Ritchie drove the gay bro out of their inner circle, her career began a sickly decline.

R196, her substance abuse problem is known by journalists. It’s been reported by those in her inner circle. We could debate if she was on something this night but chances are high that she was. She’s been turning to drugs and alcohol for everything, including pain from her hip.

[quote] I think a shape-shifting alien invaded her body. She's not only a physical mess, but she's also posted some crazy Qanon bullshit which she eventually deleted.

Instagram deleted it and she reposted it two times - the alien sperm lady. Then she read shot from Robert Kennedy, his anti-vaxxer nonsense.

"Long term steroid use can also produce a lady beard."

She's Italian, at her age beards are already a given 🙄

Let’s not forget this fiasco.

She's actually more spontaneous now than the superbowl.

Turn in your cards. You're turning on an ally just because she has gotten older and can't dance as well as she used to. Can you move that good at 63? I mean, she has been serving the public for years, but it's still not enough. Just like Britney. It's never enough. A few lackluster performances and you're ready to tar and feather her.

Why is everyone in a tizzy over her using filters? Is there a law against that? You do realize she has seen her image ad nauseum everywhere for decades, right? There's very little left to keep her amused. Since forever she's been tongue in cheek, but everyone gets worried if she treats instagram like the fake joke that it is.

Gaga? Please. We'll see if she's still dancing at 63. I know if she is you'll rip her to shreds.

Gaga is just as fake, if not faker, since she had Madonna as a blueprint, and now you're supporting her?!

This interview explains everything and why she doesn't care what anyone thinks.

You either get it or you don't.

Further receipts.

She doesn't CARE what you think is appropriate, or how you think an older woman should behave.

Capiche?

[quote]she has been serving the public for years

She has never done public service.

[quote]Why is everyone in a tizzy over her using filters? Is there a law against that?

Yes, that's exactly why people are talking about it, it's because she's breaking local and federal laws with her use of filters. You are very smart.

Even at r227, they were saying she wasn't selling enough. Imagine if she had listened to the haters?!

Janbot up to her old tricks again. Sad.

I have to say Maluma is hot and a good sport with Madonna.

Every time I see the picture in R225’s post I think of the scene in Silence of the Lambs when Clarice discovers the Mrs. Lippman corpse soup in the bathtub.

I see Vadgebot is with us.

OP pupils that are like pinholes aren't an indicator of being drunk (Drunk pupils are more normal size although the eye/whites may be red and the eye glassy/watery).

Pinhole pupils are a symptom of opiates, however: Heroin, morphine, oxycodone, fentanyl, methadone, codeine, hydrocodone..

Receipts for the pupils please.

Video is way too grainy and attendees are way too far from the stage to see.

The jig is up, Janbot.

[quote]She’s been nuts for years but that broken hip really destroyed her. She’s always smoking joints and drinking. She’s a bloated mess.

She didn't have a broken hip, she had a hip replacement from years of dancing Very common in dancers, Liza had two and Bebe Neuwirth and they were younger.

She isn't fit to lick Liza's ass. A blown out, nasty whore.

She’s a mess, but I feel sorry for her. I don’t know why she gets such vitriol on DL. I actually admired her “don’t fuck with me” sass when I was growing up. She still has that, but it’s just…misdirected and sad now. But the hate she gets on here is pretty extreme.

The only one of her kids who might tell her the truth is Rocco, when he is a bit older, established in his art career, and firmly ensconced in Daddy's will. The other kids will be too scared of getting disinherited by Mom to ever tell her she's spending her golden years making an idiot of herself and trashing her legacy.

So athletic.

^ Hi, Kids, grandma slutty is here!

@r227, That interview is so telling. Even then she was starting to lose the control that she had for so many years. Right then is when she needed to step back and change direction, but her ego and her defiance wasn't going to ever let that happen and we now have the crazy little old lady who once was Madonna ☹️

The stuff of nightmares.

Watching a 63-year old with ridiculous butt implants grinding on a 28-year old is disturbing. It's not sexy, not edgy. I t's downright deranged. The problem most DL'ers have with her isn't so much that she's "not as good as she used to be", R226 — It's that she refuses to not make a total ass out of herself.

Her arrested development won't allow her to be anything else but "that sexy, anti-patriarchy dominatrix" girl. How trite and witless that she, once again, brought out a whip on stage. Maluma just went along with it all, knowing full well it only makes him look better.

Madonna dear — Get off the stage. Start doing interesting stuff. Produce plays, movies…  Get into genuine philanthropy. Curate art galleries, start something revolutionary in fashion. You've got all the time and, most of all, money in the world. Put it to good use.

She can be fat. She can perform.

But that would entail standing before a mic singing songs like Live To Tell, I'll Remember, Rain, Like A Prayer will being tastefully dressed and not rubbing herself against 20 year olds.

And honestly I don't think she wants to go that route.

Still trying to figure out what accent she's going for @ R228.

[quote]I wonder what her 4 adopted African children think.

They wonder how their cousin in Darfur is doing at the orphanage.

[quote]I don’t know why she gets such vitriol on DL.

Imagine finding out someone you’ve admired for years is a huge fraud.

^ This, Madonna is a distant cousin of mine, although I've never met her I used to be quite proud of that. Right now is the first time I've mentioned it in 10 years ☹️

The fat woman in a tube top and daisy dukes knocking over displays and screaming racial epithets at the Walmart security officer who caught her shoplifting also "doesn't care what anyone else thinks." Madonna is not in good company.

I admit that to see this tragic trainwreck that once was Madonna is entertaining, I don't know what she will do next but i'm sure she will surpass once again herself. And...yea, she's a narcissist so it's impossible for the ones around her to stop her anyway, Narcissist always think to be in the right and don't really accept any critics or "no" as answers.

She’s a good 50 lbs overweight now. That can’t be good on her brittle bones.

Another WTF moment.

^"Who's BAD?!!"

She seems to be kind of like Prince--was once into clean living and then went downhill fast later in life?

I mean I'm sure she tried things back in the day but she was always into exercise and taking care of herself. It's too bad what has happened to her.

The woman is a mess from top to bottom, left to right. My gods, this is what happens when you surround yourself with people who always say yes.

R254, her face still looked mostly normal, and good, there.

I think she did this performance because she was jealous of Harry Styles and Shania Twains performance at Coachella and all the publicity it garnered.

She's channeling Hogatha realness - and she is achieving

Why does she keep hauling out that "Music" song?

It's one of her worst.

R261 She’s obsessed with it since it was her last #1 song….and that was 22 years ago.

Does she need a conservatorship?

She still like-a to boogie woogie.

Why hasn't Madonna jumped on the pronouns bandwagon?

Her face looks painful. All bloated and swollen and skin stretched too tight. Lips so big it would be difficult to open your mouth to speak or eat. You’d need opioids just to tolerate this everyday.

She doesn't need to curate art or do philanthropy. She has done what she needed to do, and should realize that all sex symbols need to step away from the spotlight and pass the torch, and try to live as private humans when they become old. It maintains mystique.

What's most bizarre to me about Madonna is the trajectory her image had from 1998 to today. She went from reincarnated earth mother, lady of the manor, bitter divorcee, old woman with grills to a sexified, plastic, uncool granny. That trajectory makes 0 sense.

It's her last gasp before Satan calls her back to Hell.

I was not a fan of her during the era at R227, but I don't see how that particular interview portends anything bad. I remember thinking this was her midlife crisis, as she veered from American Life bombing, to her stuffy English Roses shtick to the faux-lesbian "shock" at the VMAs. But, she seems somewhat at peace with the idea of not being #1 anymore. It's everybody else, embodied by Matt Lauer, who was pushing this "what will you do? If you're not sexy anymore" narrative.

[quote] What's most bizarre to me about Madonna is the trajectory her image had from 1998 to today. She went from reincarnated earth mother, lady of the manor, bitter divorcee, old woman with grills to a sexified, plastic, uncool granny. That trajectory makes 0 sense.

A Hallmark of most personality disorders is an unstable sense of self.

The British accent years were her absolute most insufferable.

SNL really needs to do a parody skit of Madonna onstage surrounded by other dancers in their 60s and 70s. What the gals are up to at the local senior center.

She looks like Dr. Ruth doing Swiss Miss fetish porn.

I do wonder why she doesn't go back to the adult contemporary With Honors Era. I really like that adult easy listening stuff.

But here's the thing. She keeps going on about artists being disruptive, and how she doesn't want (and never has) to play it safe or accept society's rules. So she's determined to act out, and she doesn't care if she's ridiculed.

She was ridiculed by the fickle public for years for what turned out to be some of her best work. Is it any wonder that she's not going to be frustrated or not bother using them as a compass? Maybe she's just seeing what she can get away with and the joke is on us?

^ Here's the thing, what's edgy and provocative at 25 is pathetic and ridiculous at 63. Society is much more accepting and forgiving of the young and impetuous then they are of the old and foolish

I'd feel sorry for her but she's been so obnoxiously and aggressively sure that she's always right, always edgy, and always provocative for the past several decades. Now that she's making a complete ass of herself on stage trying to stay in the spotlight in any way possible, I feel absolutely no remorse in ripping her to shreds. I'm not even embarrassed for her. She doesn't look human and she asks desperate more than anything else. Maybe she needs the money.

R277 ...acts desperate...

Nothing she’s doing is edgy or provocative. She’s copying her appearance after people like Chrissy Teigen and the Kardashians. Pathetic and embarrassing. Mumbling and wandering aimlessly around the stage seems cool when 20 year old Billie Eilish does it… not an elderly woman who seems legitimately confused.

I remember back when she shunned sunlight (which seemed weird in the 80s) and ate a macrobiotic diet and was so disciplined with her workout, all to maintain her looks and ward off aging.

I never would've imagined she'd go the Elvis route.

[quote]I do wonder why she doesn't go back to the adult contemporary With Honors Era. I really like that adult easy listening stuff.

I agree, that would be a perfect fit for Madonna at her age. Unfortunately, she's completely delusional and is desperate to appeal to a young audience, who couldn't give a shit about her and have no interest in someone old enough to be their grandmother. They're following artists of their own generation and to people their age Madonna is a dinosaur.

I agree the sexy schtick needs to go. Weight-wise maybe she is over a life of Spartan discipline and wants to drink good wine and eat good food while she can still tolerate it.

For those of us who were kids in the 80s, we weren't listening to WWII acts like The Andrew Sisters and Bing Crosby. We are now at the same distance in time from the 1980s as the 1980s were from the 1940s so the kids today look at those 80s artists the same way we looked at the 40s artists like Sinatra etc. Ancient history.

Does that make you feel old or what?

She’s become Lilli von Shtupp

R174 That’s not true at all. Most of her songs are her + the producer.

Have to be honest, I never saw this train wreck coming. I thought she would age gracefully like other huge musical stars like Streisand and Rod Stewart who moved into recording American standards and show tunes to great success. She did very well with her soundtracks and even sang Sondheim and Andrew Lloyd Webber's Oscar songs.

How old was Cher when she released "Believe"? Perhaps Madonna could have a comeback with something like that.

Speaking of Cher, has anyone seen her lately? Is she in hiding?

She has become this Baby Jane character where she’s trying to dress like 1983 Madonna and like Baby Jane, it’s scary and desperate and ugly. Her wardrobe is ugly - over accessorizing, fishnets, braids, hats, chains, gloves, 8 rings on one hand, it’s too much. She looks so uncomfortable!

Musically, she’s a disaster. I hate the Madame X album and it’s the first album I have of hers I couldn’t listen to from start to finish. Her desire to be Miley Cyrus and Bono is painful.

She gave up her music career for touring with “Hard Candy”. That album was made for the sole purpose of touring with that big Live Nation contract. Same with “MDNA” and “Rebel Heart”, they were albums that had absolutely no direction. It was the first time she used writing camps and all the music could have been for Miley Cyrus and pop girls lessor.

She finally become the Debbie Gibson and Stacey Q. She became the lessor pop star with her latter albums. Kylie Minogue finally outshined her. Kylie’s albums have been any gems but they’re better than Madonna’s.

And what she had going for her crumbled. Her touring career is over. She went from $408 million to $36 million in 10 years. She’s lost her power as the biggest touring act.

R286 I’m not surprised. She’s always craved attention and it used to be through her music, movies and her antics. Now it’s strictly antics with a capital A. I wish Madonna the best as I grew up with her with her songs, but she has zero self awareness and this shtick has really become pathetic and disturbing. I’m unsure how far she wants to go down this road, but she probably won’t live the year out if she continues this trajectory. The drinking, drugs and plastic surgery have completely destroyed her. Wonder if she’s one the DL death list?

Cher was a decade younger than Madonna's current age when "Believe" came out.

R287 She sings in autotune, it sounds like shit on the radio. She sounded great on the “Levitating” remix but none of her recent singles would have done anything on the radio.

Cher has always had a sense of humor about herself. Madonna never has. A sense of humor will carry you through when youth and beauty are gone.

Madonna was very well-known as being super healthy and avoiding drugs and alcohol, unlike basically all of her contemporaries (many of whom are now dead) so it is pretty shocking that she's apparently done a total 180 and gone in the opposite direction, as the above poster said. Nobody would've thought Madonna, who was so obsessed with fitness and diet and clean living, would've turned into this.

Definitely r292. Cher has always been "in on the joke" and that's a big part of why she's lasted so long.

[quote]But, she seems somewhat at peace with the idea of not being #1 anymore.

Oh, honey. If you actually believe that, you’re delusional. It absolutely drives her crazy that she hasn’t had a number 1 song in over two decades.

Very true, R292. Just like Dolly Parton, another gem who -despite her plastic surgery- manages to age with a sense of humour.

Ha, I just realise that this is the big difference between Dolly, Cher, Tina — they were sexy in their own way and they wanted to look enigmatic, but these old guard broads would never ever grind in their grandson’s lap on stage.

It was all in good fun. And even though one did country, the other pop and the third rock — they all came from revue-like backgrounds. Teasing the audience, but never taking it too far.

Madonna was a hardcore smoker for years and she did drugs with 2Pac.

Madonna was a social smoker in her younger days, but it was never a daily habit.

Cher has always laughed at herself. Madonna could never do this. She has a giant chip on her shoulder and likens herself an artiste. When Pierce Brosnan sang Live a Virgin to her, Madonna got incredibly angry saying, “Are you making fun of me?!” Cher would go backstage at Joan Rivers’s standup shows and ask, “Where are the Cher jokes?” She also refers to herself as the “old lady,” “older then dirt”. Madonna could never do this.

I believe that she's so insulated and yes-ma'amed to death that she might not even realize how ridiculous she's become. After all, her whole life has been about shocking the establishment with her overt sexuality. The difference is that now she's old, no longer attractive, and competing with stuff like WAP, which is far more graphic and overt and gooey than anything Madge can do now, so her sad antics cannot even shock anymore on their own merit. What's shocking is how tragically she comes across, but she might not be able to make that distinction, because she's used to being defiant in the face of criticism. So when she hears about people mocking her, she's used to it -- yet more outrage at her raunchy, unapologetic sexual displays. And the deafening adulation she continues to receive from her diehard fans drowns out those who find her kind of tragic and pathetic.

[quote] Ha, I just realise that this is the big difference between Dolly, Cher, Tina — they were sexy in their own way and they wanted to look enigmatic, but these old guard broads would never ever grind in their grandson’s lap on stage.

I laugh when Madonna’s fans scream misogyny and why we don’t trash male rockstars. Well they’re not on stage with their ass and/or dick out, shoving their tongues down a young girl’s throat. They truly think Madonna is doing stuff guys her age do. They don’t. They know it looks ridiculous.

Madonna lives a life of delusion. The same as MJ did, and she’s obsessed with him. Ironically, he couldn’t stand her.

"Speaking of Cher, has anyone seen her lately? Is she in hiding? "

I'll tell you where she's not... She's not in Columbia dancing on stage with Maluma making a fool out of herself

Women of any age have the right to be adventurous, sexy and sexual. The thing with Madonna is she’s none of those things. It’s all mechanical and phony. She’s trying to be something she’s not and capitalize off of it.

r292 What are you talking about? She has an amazing sense of humor about herself. Here she gives a hilarious standup routine about dating younger guys! Can you believe it? She actually dates younger men ahaha, isn't it so funny how she's being sooooo self-deprecating? Comedy gold!

Madonna is the biggest ageist of all. She chops up her face and body and won’t date anyone her own age calling them old farts. She doesn’t see the irony.

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R306 holy shit that’s only 7 years ago.

Back when Madonna looked like Madonna.

Odd that nobody interviews her anymore considering all the "outrage/gossip/ridicule" over her antics.

Why doesn't someone in journalism want to get to the bottom of it? Why is she off the radar? Yeah, she's not as popular right now, but there's still legions of fans, and general public interest.

Any talking head moments in the madame X doc?

R310 my guess is she doesn’t want any close-up footage that she can’t manipulate with weird filters and angles

R310, there actually isn’t interest. She’s D-list. She doesn’t sell.

Showing her cooter on TikTok.

People are tired of watching her act out her sexual dysfunction.

Cher is aging better than Madonna. Hell, even Sonny is aging better than Madonna.

Vag and butthole shots are the only shockers she's got left. I predict she'll trot 'em out before the year is up.

R316, everyone has see her vag by now.

All that's left for poor Madge...

She's actually wearing a back brace cleverly disguised as a belt. It looks like the weightlifting belt that guys wear when doing squats to support their backs.

[r319] Back brace on stage…holy f***ng shit…

“ remember back when she shunned sunlight (which seemed weird in the 80s” We need sunlight. This would explain her depressed demeanor and looking like a freaking vampire most of her career

In a best case scenario, it might take four or five people, but Debi Mazur would spearhead an intervention, Madonna would go to rehab, then after that do a year of round-the clock 12-step meetings. Then she would downsize her real estate portfolio to two, keeping one as her main residence, and rarely leave. She would be happy with her three youngest kids still living there. And part of the $ from the real estate sales would go towards giving everyone who saw the Madame X tour a refund. In other words, making amends.

Oh, and she would never perform again.

Have you ever personally known a narcissist, R322?

I always wonder what her family thinks. You know they see this stuff. Her dad, siblings, kids, exes, ex-friends... are they worried? Or is it, "That's just Madonna"?

I categorize her with Randy Quaid, Aaron Carter, Nancy Spungeon, Edie Sedgwick and Amanda Bynes.

R324, her did is an old school Italian Catholic so I'm most interested in what he thought about Madonna when the Sex book was released.

R323, believe it or not there are a lot of narcissists in 12 step programs. They love the attention and authority

[quote] Odd that nobody interviews her anymore considering all the "outrage/gossip/ridicule" over her antics. Why doesn't someone in journalism want to get to the bottom of it? Why is she off the radar? Yeah, she's not as popular right now, but there's still legions of fans, and general public interest.

Because Madonna would want complete control of the interview and control of the images. She started to to withdraw from in-depth interviews after she was criticized for adopting children from Malawi. She used to give great interviews, but those days are over.

Besides, she would just cry "misogyny" and not take any responsibility.

R327, Madge complained about the last major interview I remember reading with her because the writer dared to describe the fabric of her curtains.

[quote] In a best case scenario, it might take four or five people, but Debi Mazur would spearhead an intervention

Debbie called her out two years ago and Madonna unfollowed her on Instagram. Rosie also said she couldn’t get through to her either.

Her father when he was young. Carbon copy.

Debi is still friends with Madonna but I assume it's just a surface-level friendship. I don't think Madonna gets too close to people.

I mean, she's known Guy Oseary since the early-to-mid '90s, their friends and he's her manager and I'm sure he won't tell her she needs help.

I think I might put Johnny Depp on your list of whack celebs, R324.

Madonna? I'd put her with Angelina Jolie, Meghan Markle, Donald Trump, Jada Pinkett Smith, Amber Heard... I'd need to think about it. Mega-Narcissists.

Debi and Madonna are still close. Last year, Debi went to Italy on holiday to celebrate Madonna's birthday with the Ciccone clan.

When you're in as bad a shape as she's in - physically, mentally, emotionally - you will reject anybody telling you the truth, because it would be shattering.

If it were just one of these things: excessive plastic surgery, too much booze, dependence on opiates, ridiculous Instagram posts, embarrassing public appearances - maybe a close friend or family member could broach the subject.

But there's no possible way to tell her the truth about ALL of those things without being shut out of her life forever, because she won't be able to handle it. Instead she'll shoot the messenger.

Is she Cluster B or something?

I mean I sort of feel bad for her but why is she so resistant to dealing with reality?

She's in the NPD textbook along with the Donald.

Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy.

My god.That video is just so pathetic. She looks like a clown.Literally ! You cant tell me those kids of hers arent horrified.

Reductive..

She’s going to end up having an accident resulting in death. She has no idea where she is, what the fuck is going on. Even her own daughter is making jokes about her being on OxyContin and high as a kite.

Excuse me, Percocet.

Madonna's instagram picture for the gig is a Photoshop disaster: her right tit sit right on top of her belly button and her right arm has turned into draft. And she has a tiny waist and certainly does not look like that potato that we saw before us.

R342 that's proof to me she does the editing herself, using one of those photo squeeze apps on iPhone. They allow you to pinch the entire pic in any direction, which results in everything looking warped. A professional photo editor would need a day to deliver well-edited pictures, but she's way too impatient and impulsive for that.

Who is she trying to kid with those edited-to-an-inch-of-their-life instagram pictures? We saw the video, she does not look like that. Like many far younger people, the worst thing that ever happened to the bitch was getting a smart phone and signing up to social media. It has destroyed her.

lol.

Riiiight.

R346 That’s Brendad Ickson level of delusional photoshop.

At least she's not visiting thrift stores.

R283 I generally agree with you…it can be shocking to think in those terms (how much time has passed). But then I’m regularly surprised by the number of people I encounter under 25 who are very familiar with 1980s music.

I think part of it is that music today is much closer stylistically to music of the 80s than music of the 40s had been to music of the 80s. Plus, they made videos—many of which are still in circulation (YouTube, Vimeo) and their songs get sampled in contemporary music…not to mention used in new movies and television.

It’s just not as much of a stretch for 20 year olds to be familiar with 40 year old music today. However, yes: Madonna is not resonating much with young audiences and I’m sure attending a Madonna concert is more of a goofy lark than anything else.

If you ever had been involved with a narcissist you know it's impossible to make them realize they have a problem, they will never aknowledge it , and they never apologize. To even try it's a waste of time. My father was one and trust me if i tell you we tried so many times but all we got as response was more psychological and verbal abusive reactions. In Madonna case i have no doubt everyone around her gave up trying, i pity Rocco and Loudes because it's not easy, i know it.

^ Rocco had to move in with dad to get away from her 🙄

"Madonna. It's not my kind of music, but she puts on a hell of a show, and she's deeply respected in the industry because of the attention and work she puts into her live performances."

- What a Director of Entertainment at a major Casino told me in the early 90s about whose live show he would recommend I see.

I think, in addition to what's all been said, that, at least for me, who regrets not making sure I bought a ticket to Madonna's early 90s tour when it hit the then Rosemount Horizon arena outside of Chicago, is that, now, with her debasing herself, she's betraying a standard of performance that she herself set.

A standard, in her prime, that, no other performer could match.

And it ain't a pretty sight. It's embarrassing and reeks of a 5th D - Desperation

And spare me the "sexism' charge. I don't want to see Mick Jagger attempt to prance around now, too.

Anybody else see the shadow of Sean Penn's face in that pic of Madonna's Dad at r330?

She's "reinventing herself now,

Oops, meant to delete the She's "reinventing herself now,"

She messy.

I remember when she outed her backup dancers in Truth Or Dare.

What a cunt.

She only outed them to the likes of Helen Keller.

Still a cunt move.

The best part of the concert video is Maluma's face.

It looks like he is suppressing an uncontrollable laughing fit.

R350 especially a wealthy narcissist!

Oh, Penn is a dead-ringer for Madonna's dad. Girl's got issues.

Who’s That Girl?

R349, under 25s are more aware of 90s music than anything else.

Madonna’s music in the 90s would more resonate with them. However, she was doing more ballads then and that’s not in.

Cher was 52 when she did "Believe," so Madonna's well past that point of her career. Maybe she could do an album similar to Cher's ABBA tribute. But instead of ABBA, make it an album of Elton John covers. I'm sure he'd love that!

Or an album of Janet Jackson covers.

But she probably couldn't hit most of the notes. (She doesn't have the range.)

You don't need range to whispercoo.

Janet already proved that.

Madonna: 63 year old girl gone wild.

At this stage, a Millie Jackson covers album would be more appropriate.

I have known several real life people who based their personalities on the Madonna of the 80s and 90s. Superfans who took it several steps further and created a whole shifty moral code based on how Madonna treats people. They have been left high and dry by what she has become.

[QUOTE] I have known several real life people who based their personalities on the Madonna of the 80s and 90s. Superfans who took it several steps further and created a whole shifty moral code based on how Madonna treats people.

Cluster B?

Has she heard the news about Roe v. Wade yet?

[quote]Cluster B?

Yes, dramatically over-the-top, attention-seeking, and controlling, sprinkled with a little bit of paranoia and "woe is me" syndrome.

And just like Madonna, the tendency to be drawn towards substance abuse to help avoid the issues of age and narcissist collapse.

Here's a question.....Does she not want to do a Vegas residency or does Vegas not want to give her one?

R373 Probably both. She couldn’t even fill up 2,000 seat theaters during her last tour, and residency venues in Vegas are 5,000+ seats.

She’d have to start on time in Vegas, which she won’t. And she’ll be expected to do her hits, which she won’t.

All of the popular 80’s music superstars have died except for her

Is she next?

Surprised she hasn't flashed her pussy on social media as a form of protest against the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

She’s had several abortions. She should be speaking out.

R377 She probably will and she will call it A R T She's always been a trash human (even if she was in control) and I'm seriusly surprised that she is liked by intelligent people, for example Neil Tennant is a fan of her and while i can understand liking her hit songs how can someone with a brain tolerate her narcissistic self and breath the same air of her with more than 30 seconds...

As an abortion rights protest, maybe Madonna can perform "Oh Father" as a striptease.

R378 Madonna had 11 abortions and the last one at 39 year old....is this her only birth control method? She is so archaic

I hope she keeps doing this crazy shit. It makes me laugh. Who knew Madge was so funny?

R382 Same, it's entertaining and fascinating, like, we all know it's her last tragic days.

She needs to drop at least 20 pounds. I wonder if she doesn’t have arthritis, and takes steroids, and that’s why she’s bloated and winded.

So she could do the whole Kathleen Turner "I'm not a bloated drunk. It's arthritis." schtick?

R384 having pumped plastic and concrete and god knows what else into her body for fillers so she can look "dewy and fresh" is not helping with the bloated look, and she's winded from trying to haul all that extra stuff around

[quote] At this stage, a Millie Jackson covers album would be more appropriate.

I don't remember her on The Victory Tour.

[quote]She keeps going on about artists being disruptive, and how she doesn't want (and never has) to play it safe or accept society's rules. So she's determined to act out, and she doesn't care if she's ridiculed.

YASS QUEEN! 👑👑👑👸 Keep throwing away your dignity and self respect!! FUck the haters!! They never understand REAL ART anyways!! 🖕🖕🖕🖕and FUCK the Patriarchy!!!!!!! 🍆💣💥💃

I actually think the worst thing about the video is her grinding up on Maluma. It’s an awkward dynamic because he looks like he could be her son/grandson. I’ve always said, she was always style over substance and that’s why her career hasn’t endured as much as others. She can’t just sit on a stool and sing. Same with Britney Spears, but she’s still young enough to perform. By Madonna’s age she’ll no doubt be done with it all.

[quote] She couldn’t even fill up 2,000 seat theaters during her last tour.

Gen Z couldn't stay up until 3am when she went on and Millennials scoffed at having to turn in their phones.

She probably has multiple physical issues from years of performing. She'll end up like Liza in a few more years. She needs to focus on her health and get out of the public eye completely.

It's only a matter of time before she steals Bette Midler's wheelchair schtick.

Except she'll really need the wheelchair.

Maluma...heh heh heh,,,,,

R393, That was my point.

r321

"All of the popular 80’s music superstars have died"

"Hunh??"

- Samantha Fox, Boy George, Adam Ant, Duran Duran, Debbie Gibson, Toni Basil, Rick Astley, Kim Wilde, Cyndi Lauper, Phil Collins......

[quote]It's only a matter of time before she steals Bette Midler's wheelchair schtick.

Too late.

Lady Fuckface already ripped it off.

1,2 1,2 1,2.. cha-cha,cha

Bette Midler was not amused by that r400

r399 Madonna is the last big supernova pop star from the 80s. Michael Jackson, Whitney, George Michael and Prince were the others in that stratosphere.

I love her cake like hand even in the photoshopped pics

Oops claw like I mean

The Mad TV and the French and Saunders sketches are hilarious. Sadly, she's so far gone now, there's no need for a spoof.

80s? Time for the 70s to make a comeback!

Charo at 71 moves better than Madonna, her body is in better shape (and she doesn't hate her audience.)

R396, that was fucking hilarious!

Sigh. She’s releasing another boring remix album, with the boring title, “Finally Enough Love.”😴. She needs to release an album of unreleased songs that have never been heard instead of these dumb remixes.

R410 The artwork and photoshoot are too similar to the ones used for the Celebration greatest hits from 2009.

And how on Earth are tracks 1-3, 5, 11 and 15 considered remixes? All of them are just edits of the original song while track 5 is just basically the album version of Open Your Heart with a longer intro.

This seems like a lazy rushed cash cow release with very little effort put in that pretty much no-one asked for. If Madonna had complete control over this project and this is the first release in the long awaited reissue campaign then we are in major trouble.

That’s exactly what I thought. This is so uninspired and just a money grab. I also thought the artwork looked too similar to Celebration. Even the title is lame. This will flop.

Why does she need to do stupid “money grab” projects?? She’s got enough $$ already.

"Sigh. She’s releasing another boring remix album, with the boring title, “Finally Enough Love.”

Will we every get, "Finally Enough Madonna"? 🙄

This is Warner Bros back in control and squeezing some cash out of her.

Remember this iconic performance from last year?

The sad thing is that she thinks she’s a total BADASS.

R416 She looks like she's being fisted by her security guard.

Who is that on the cover of the remix album?

r416 the best thing about that ridiculous bar performance was an obviously bugged-out Zachary Quinto taking the stage.

It's so disappointing to see how lazy and cheap Madonna's become. Trash her now but back in the day, Madonna and her team put a lot of care into her projects. Everything is mastered cheaply and her music sounds tinny. Her longtime fans have most of these mixes. We collected these on the CD singles back in the '90s. We already have the You Can Dance compilation. Ooh, edits of the YCD mixes. How rare!

She used to release high quality projects. Now they are just cheap money grabs.

More photoshopping from her.

It's hard to feel sorry for a person who laughed about rape.

^whose rape?

Her makeup artist was raped on the Blond Ambition tour. Madonna laughs when she hears the details. She was having a chuckle when told the rape was anal. Her makeup artist was chubby and I guess that made it even funnier. Fuck Madonna.

Reprehensible, but what does one expect?

Thanks for telling the sad, sorry tale R424.

R413 People can be wealthy af and still be greedy as Hell. Madonna, Kylie Jenner and Jeff Bezos are all prime examples.

I can't believe Madonna was okay with leaving that in TOD. It made her look so bad. Maybe Harvey said she could take it out if she blew him and he refused.

Madonna and her female dancers/backup singers end up victim blaming the makeup artist. Hagdonna goes as far as to suggest that the rapists were only interested in Sharon because of her connection to Madonna.

Sociopath Mads

[quotes] Madonna and her female dancers/backup singers end up victim blaming the makeup artist.

Blaming the victim? So they're Dataloungers!

It’s hilarious how she pretends that Harvey Weinstein wasn’t her BFF for decades. She threw the parties. He was her financier in the film industry, including her last bomb, WE. He even bought her the Golden Globe. Now that he’s toast, so is her film career.

[quote]Trash her now but back in the day, Madonna and her team put a lot of care into her projects.

Here is an example of how she would go the extra mile.

A beautifully staged, choreographed and costumed floor show. Just watch how good she is. So cool.

[quote] Now that he’s toast, so is her film career.

Um, her film career was scrambled eggs by 1987.

lol.

I wonder if this biopic will end up shelved. Who in their right mind would give Madonna money to direct a movie?

Is she still doing her daily 7 hour workouts?

^ Yeah, but now she curls 6 ounce glasses of wine 🥳

Her last blaze of glory, great production, she looked great. she should have retired live performing.

Agreed, r438, she should have announced that SB H-TP as the final curtain. Even then, however, you could see she was past her peak.

R429 R428 Madonna is a trashy human being and she always was, i remember i've read that as a schoolgirl she enjoyed bullying her schoolmates and telling lies about them and she knew she was having a pass because she was an orphan (her mother died) so she milked her priviledge as much as she could. People like her , Psychopath/narcissist , always get what they want , and it's appaling that such an abomination of a woman is considered an iconic pop figure.

So is it one of her insane stans, the woman's publicist or the crazy woman herself that starts all of these threads here about her every fart and stumble?

My guess is the same person starts all of those "who looked better, x or y?" threads. Almost all of them are comparing blondes, if you'll notice.

Madonna is lost.

I keep coming back to this thread. It’s all just too much yet I can’t look away.

Remember when she was obsessed with Edie Sedgwick? Four decades later, she's become Edie Sedgwick.

Is that Kyra's mother?

[quote] it's appaling that such an abomination of a woman is considered an iconic pop figure.

If you're looking for upstanding citizens in popular music, you are looking in the wrong place.

R61 Don't give her ideas.

Madonna's really pissing me off.

R446 You're correct, my bad

[quote]I really don't see the point of performing if you're just going to sing along to a backing track and your live voice is barely audible.

$$$!

I think this is what she's aspiring to. Unfortunately.

Maybe when she gets a classier boyfriend/husband she'll elevate her mind.

[QUOTE] when she gets a classier boyfriend/husband she'll elevate her mind.

Who would tolerate her now?

Would any amount of money be worth it?

[quote] Her last blaze of glory, great production, she looked great. she should have retired live performing.

It was actually lame as hell. It’s almost never highlighted like the other Halftime shows which must drive her nuts. She needed a half dozen guest stars. The whole thing was beyond uninspired.

Again, she is performance artist not a singer and she’s aged out and has no real talent to fall back on. If she did a residency it would be a joke. Compare her to Tina Turner, who can just sit there and sing.

She did still look really good in 2012. Now she is descending into ‘Whatever Happened to Baby Jane’ territory.

Fantasy vs reality.

Chinese.

r454 you don't last as long in the business as Madonna has, or have the career she's had, with no talent. If that were true she would've been Stacey Q.

Stacey Q has her integrity.

I saw this happening back in the 1980s. She was rude, self-absorbed, and selfish. Someone as obsessed with superstardom, as she, was bound to become a hideous caricature of her former self. Her drug of choice is the white hot fame she had in the 80s and 90s. She keeps chasing this high, and fails miserably.

[quote] Stacey Q has her integrity.

And a guest stint on The Facts of Life!

Usually I cut Madonna slack and there’s nothing wrong with an older woman enjoying her life but this footage is hilarious. She just needs to accept herself.

Madonna was going to be over but then she moved to Britain where they reported on her every two seconds. Their coverage was picked up by America’s, thus extending her career. She would have been gone in no time had she not made the move.

Ouch.

Those breast/butt implants make her look fatter. Makes no sense why she did that.

[quote]The stuff of nightmares.

I've heard better singing at a school play. This delusional freak needs to pack it in.

To those saying "Where did all her willpower go, she used to be so disciplined!" The answer is that she could easily forgo other temptations when she had the most powerful drug available to her on tap: mass adulation. For a narcissist that tops *everything* else. So she could afford to be very disciplined in other ways. Now, not so much.

I *always* knew she was fundamentally empty inside and that this day would come. She was so up her own ass back then and I hated how she pulled the wool over the eyes of millions of people and convinced them she had true talent. But seeing it now, I just feel sorry for her.

The fact that she's allowed to carry on and humiliate herself like this tells us that she NO ONE real in her life. All the money, all that glittering 'success'. This is probably the very outcome she was trying to protect herself against and yet here we are.

If even ONE person in her life really cared for her (and I doubt anyone does....as she was 100% about herself and I think all her bio kids have basically run from her like she's a burning building) they'd intervene and she'd 'retire' for good.

I did love this live performance she did- it was much smarter than her usual sex gimmicks and worked well. So I'll leave it here and we can remember better days....

I don’t see this ending well.

Seems pretty clear that she got hooked on painkillers used to alleviate symptoms from her many falls. She needs help. She’s an addict out of control.

The book her brother wrote affected her deeply.

She had such a long career for a rude narcissist with not real talent except acting slutty all the time- i mean, what does she want more?

She should retire, but i support her destroying her legacy and providing real entertaining by acting tragic and senile all the time.

I've seen pole dancers with more dignity.

Why haven't her friends done anything -- staged an intervention. Someone needs to step up.

I'm behind on my gossip - did Madonna's brother disparage her in a book? What's his name, if someone doesn't mind telling me so I can look it up myself, unless you could give me the quick gist of it. TIA!

[QUOTE] The book her brother wrote affected her deeply.

As did the recent breakup with Ahmalik. She's acting out right now to cover up the pain.

Madonna moved to London because she believed she would replace Princess D with constant press and attention. It didn’t quite pan out

This hasn't come up in a while, but why does everyone say she dumps her boyfriends? Would't it be the other way around?

The most recent one, he probably was into the fact that she zeroed in on him and brought him into her world—the jet-set life of a superstar as it would appear—but when he got there, he saw how tacky and toxic Madonna has become, publicly and behind closed doors, which is a side of Madonna most people never even see. And now he's a part of this toxic environment. And there's very little freedom go out in public or do anything spontaneously, every venture outside of the compound (her NYC mansion is on East 80th or 81st, and there are several very discreet sidewalk adjacent little signs that in so many words say 'Don't even think of hanging out here") has to be planned, mapped out. And she's easily older than his actual mother, and he wakes up and says "I never had a thing for older women." And he's not a fuck-up, he just wants to live a healthy life etc., so he says "I'm out.. That life was not for me"

I think the drinking started it all, not the painkillers Her London years with Guy, where he introduced her to the pub culture. And she bowed to peer pressure , or to be a good wife and please her man.

r473, Christopher Ciccone's tell-all book is titled 'Life With and WIthout My Sister, Madonna' It's a fun read, and with summer coming up, it's the perfect trashy beach read.

Among the tidbits; • She never puts anything in the subject header box of her emails. She figures once they see that it's an email from Madonna, they'll read it no matter what. • During her 80s/90s heady heyday, when making the rounds at parties in NYC, as soon a she was no longer the center of attention, it was time to go to another party. • When she would go to big family gatherings in Michigan, it was understood that if there were not enough chairs to go around, she had to have a chair, and it would be the chair of her choice.

"When she would go to big family gatherings in Michigan, it was understood that if there were not enough chairs to go around, she had to have a chair, and it would be the chair of her choice."

Got up, Granny! I need some wheels!

R475 If only Madge had a sent a memo to The Duchess Rachel Meghan Markle Engleson Mountbatten-Windsor of Sussex years ago. It would have saved a lot of people a whole lot of trouble.

Malignant narcissism

I know this sounds mean to say...but she would have been better off OD'ing or being assassinated after Confessions.

R481, I agree with you. Her catalog is streaming like shit and it's a fucking shame. She arguably made more classic pop songs than any other artist. The reason she's doing poorly is because of her and her alone. Her behavior has even alienating hardcore fans. I find her instagram repulsive and I can't even look at any pictures of her.

R482 I used to be something of a fan. She’s released a lot of brilliant pop and dance music over the years. I can barely stand to listen to her music now because the train wreck she’s become somehow taints it.

Isn't it time for Rocco to write a book?

I was just thinking--even if Madonna was to die now, would anyone care aside from her fans? I definitely don't see her death receiving as much press coverage as Michael Jackson or even Whitney's death. Her catalog may not even see a surge because she's exhausted all the goodwill towards her. Michael Jackson didn't do that. If this was 2006, it would be a different story. But that was a long time ago and she's just a joke now.

MJ didn’t have much goodwill toward him when he died. Wasn’t he basically a pariah? When he didn’t suddenly everyone was into his music and it all felt a bit disingenuous

^ when he *died

R486, but the thing I will say about MJ is that he never treated his fans like shit. Madonna can't even treat her own fans well. And another thing is that even though MJ was a pariah, Thriller and his other albums continued to sell strongly even before he died. Obviously his death helped but it wasn't like he was doing badly before that. Madonna's back catalog is not doing well.

[quote] Why haven't her friends done anything

She doesn’t have any. She haspeople on payroll. That’s why she buys kids and boyfriends, things she can control. She buys love and attention. She’s a very sad woman.

Once Liz Rosenberg went everything REALLY went wrong. Madonna was only as good as her handlers.

[quote] I was just thinking--even if Madonna was to die now, would anyone care aside from her fans?

Not really. It’s very sad. She has way too many years of being boring and irrelevant for anyone to really care. She decided not to tap into the mature market to get those people to remember her. Instead she concentrates on a generation that has no idea who the weird old lady is hanging around their idols. She’s basically Martha Raye.

[quote] I think the drinking started it all, not the painkillers Her London years with Guy, where he introduced her to the pub culture. And she bowed to peer pressure , or to be a good wife and please her man. [R473], Christopher Ciccone's tell-all book is titled 'Life With and WIthout My Sister, Madonna'

Wrong, and that’s not the title of the book. It’s already known she’s an alcoholic and pill pooper confirmed by those in her inner circle. She’s not drinking beer.

I'm concerned about her. What about her black gay fans (now eldergay)? She stepped up for them, maybe they should organize to do something for her now in her hour of need.

[QUOTE] What about her black gay fans?

Dashawn and LaVar both said they's good.

R494 you make fun, but I remember those days. Virtually every Madonna fan I knew was a gay black male. She was huge in that community.

What about ANY of her fans?

Are there any left?

I'm sure she has Gen Z fans.

Gen Z barely know who she is.

It's amazing how a person can be a huge star but a couple generations later they're not a big deal anymore and of little interest.

They know who she is. They just have no interest in her music because of her behavior. She's viewed as an out-of-touch white lady who collects black kids, wears grills and tries to act sexy at 60.

Why would Madonna be of interest to Gen Z kids? She's old enough to be their grandmother. There aren't any 80s artists who are really of interest to that generation.

The 1980s are ancient history to that generation, the 80s might as well be the 1950s.

[quote]Virtually every Madonna fan I knew was a gay black male. She was huge in that community.

You're so full of shit. The only female white artist who was huge in the black community in the 80's, was Teena Marie, who's songs actually hit number one on the R and B chart.

Madonna wasn't on her level.

I don't remember Madonna being a thing with black people back in the day. r501 is correct that Teena Marie was huge with black people back then. Hall and Oates were pretty popular too.

R500, that isn't true. Guns N Roses, Metalica, AC/DC, Michael Jackson and ESPECIALLY Queen are very popular among Gen Z. Streaming numbers prove this. Madonna isn't though.

Yeah, I'm sure Madonna has black fans but they weren't a huge chunk of her demographic.

r503 they have fans but I wouldn't say Gen Z as a whole is really into them.

All the Gen Z kids I know only listen to rap, trap and hip hop

Madonna simply aged out of contemporary pop culture relevancy. It happens to every single one of them. Some of them, like Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Nicks and Billy Joel accept the fact that they're now legacy artist because they're too old to be in the middle of the pop culture zeitgeist and just do their jobs, and maintain their dignity.

Then you have someone like Madonna who just can't accept that she's aged out and it's not 1990 anymore and is increasingly desperate to regain her hold on pop culture, but of course time moves on and that's never going to happen and she just looks pathetic. Nobody wants to see granny pretending she's still 25 and flashing her titties and ass, no matter how well-preserved granny is. It's just gross and unattractive.

R503 is correct. The same goes for Millennials. However, Gen Z is mainly obsessed with the 90s. This Jnco jeans are even back in style.

Maybe it's a regional thing r508. Gen Zers in the Northeast are all into rap and hip hop

Madonna's personal hell would be performing as the opening act on a tour featuring one hit wonders and hasbeens from the 80's on a gay seniors cruise and getting loudly booed every single time for all eternity.

[QUOTE] Why would Madonna be of interest to Gen Z kids? She's old enough to be their grandmother. There aren't any 80s artists who are really of interest to that generation.

You're joking right? Youtube 80s videos are full of Gen Z talking about how their peepaw just to listen to this music when they were 10.

Madge can open for Macy Gray.

r511 it's not Gen Z as a whole who are into 80s music, just a small percentage.

Bumped

What the hell is this crap she just posted?

Did somebody hit her at r515?

What I don’t get it is thats she’s so rich. Even if she has nobody who wants to be around her she has enough money that she can just do whatever the hell she wants. I can’t imagine being lonely if you’re in constant comfort and have no real worries. Why is that not enough for some people?

My God, did she get her lips done again???

She's fucking nuts. She has absolutely nothing left to offer of substance anymore. At least back in the day she could put out a good song. Now it's just lame TikTok videos.

R503 exactly, we are in full revival time and everything has a retro 80/90 touch.

This said Madonna is more or less seen as a clown by genZ, an old dinosaur, but after all even Lady gaga is seen as a dinosaur by genZ.

If Madonna were to die today her music would be resurrected, this is what always happen, even if genZ couldn't care less about her there are still the Boomers/GenX/Millenial that loved her music.

Do I even want to watch whatever is at R515? I'm afraid.

[quote]Malignant narcissism

It has to be more than just that, though that is more than bad enough by itself. Obsessive Compulsive combined with some severe body morph disorder?

Maybe she is just a reflection of how sick our popular culture really is. Remember it was in the space of a decade she went from hailing Alanis Morrisette being the new her, to Kim Kardashian being the new her.

R521 She always copied what she thought was "in"

MJ, despite his quirks and flaws, and even despite his whack plastic surgery, was a fantastic song writer and an incredibly innovative dancer.

Look on YouTube: Kids today are still trying to dance like MJ, his hits remain timelessly popular. Jackson wasn’t just an artist, he was a cult figure. Truly an icon.

Madonna? Some good stuff in her early days, but her repertoire dated poorly. Forgettable performances, no signature moves to speak of (choreography for Vogue was taken from the NY ballrooms)…

Her voice has zero expression, an extremely limited range, sounds cold and robotic. She can‘t hold a candle to MJ‘s vocal acrobatics.

Michael Jackson was a genius. Madonna simply a performer.

R523 Agree, nobody can compare to MJ, he had it all: Voice, Look, charisma, dance, music talent- he seriusly had it all.

Madonna can't compare, she just followed the trends and oversexualized herself, she had some good hits in the 80s and early 90s but that's all.

Yes, R524, Madonna is about the same level as David Bowie -- vocalist, not a true singer. She mimes others' acts and changes her image too.

In my wildest, most drunken dreams and reality, I never thought I'd feel pity, for, of all people, Madonna.

But, I do.

[quote] nobody can compare to MJ

Excuse me?!

What I see of Gen Z comments on YouTube videos is that the parents get therm into older music, but it’s usually the more musically inclined, serious artists. Just the other day this 14 yr old was commenting about how he was named after Layne Staley of AIC and he’s now a fan of their music. Madonna’s music was ok, but it was like bubble gum, disposable. Serious artists resonate and keep those fans for a lifetime because they make you feel. My BIL was always obsessed with Springsteen and still is. I hear Madonna songs a lot on the light stations, but I don’t usually listen to the whole song before changing. Whereas someone like Carol King, Springsteen, Billy Joel, Manilow, Diamond, who were mostly before my time, I will. She’s aged out for sure, but her music didn’t have much depth. She relied on shock value.

As for her dying, it would be would be big news. However, the artists mentioned like MJ, Prince, WH died younger and more sudden under shady circumstances. Two of them had major scandals throughout their lifetime too. Madonna was always such a narcissistic control freak, she really didn’t have many scandals. It’s sad to say, but Madonna’s relevance is dissipated because she made it into old age.

With posters fantasizing about a post-Madonna world, I think Woody Allen's quote about timeless art might be appropriate at this point.

[italic]I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment. [/italic]

Madge's strength was always her music videos.

She raised the bar high with Borderline, Material Girl, Open Your Heart, Express Yourself, Like A Prayer, Oh Father, Cherish, Vogue, Justify My Love, Bedtime Story, and others. A new Madonna video used to be an event.

And although she's a terrible actress, she really made a connection with the camera in her music videos. That was her gift.

She also brought that quality to her still photos. And was wise to work with so many talented photographers.

Now, the camera is her enemy.

[QUOTE] What I see of Gen Z comments on YouTube videos is that the parents get therm into older music, but it’s usually the more musically inclined, serious artists.

Well I saw Gen Z'ers gushing over Loverboy's "Lovin every minute of it" and how they just don't make music like this anymore. So that kind of blows up your theory.

What are those moving dots on her face at R515? is that dirt particles from her ring light?

[quote]Agree, nobody can compare to MJ, he had it all: Voice, Look, charisma, dance, music talent- he seriusly had it all.

The whole kid fucking thing really damaged his popularity and legacy, though.

[quote]"The whole kid-fucking thing"

This can never be mentioned enough whenever Michael Jackson's name comes up. Quite rightly.

MJ was good. But then he turned into a one-trick pony.

(His constant spinning made me tipsy.)

Despite how tragic she is with Maluma i think her worst moment is when she forced kissed Drake(who looked completely disgusted) or when she promised blowjob to vote Hillary Clinton (I wonder if someone requested the blowjob)

At 0:05 in the TikTok R515 posted she makes the face of a tween being told it’s time to put the phone away and go to bed.

Did she apply fake freckles?

(Did she run out of ideas and now she's appropriating Little Debbie?)

[quote]What I don’t get it is thats she’s so rich. Even if she has nobody who wants to be around her she has enough money that she can just do whatever the hell she wants. I can’t imagine being lonely if you’re in constant comfort and have no real worries. Why is that not enough for some people?

Money doesn’t equal happiness.

[quote]Madonna is about the same level as David Bowie

Oh, stop.

[quote]there are still the Boomers/GenX/Millenial that loved her music.

Oh, dear. Sadly, the majority of Madonna’s music hasn’t aged well.

[quote] Money doesn’t equal happiness.

My younger, stupider self would defy this and argue this, but my older wiser self knows the truth of this.

(Of course, money is needed to survive, and many go wanting for it, to pay bills, buy food, but that reality is parallel to the context here.)

Madonna doesn't seem happy. And for me, that's not a cause for ridicule, it's a cause for pity.

Bullshit Madonna's music hasn't aged well. Yes, some of her songs sound dated but most of her catalog from the 80s and 90s has held up beautifully. Her entire first album is still a bop.

Power of Goodbye and I’ll Remember are the only two songs of hers that I’ll revisit. I was a child when she was big, but I don’t know why as an adult I can’t really get into Material Girl or Papa Don’t Preach. Like a Virgin and Borderline I think are solid, but I don’t find myself revisiting those either. Maybe I’ve heard them too much through adulthood.

Even though this isn't her "live" vocals, Madonna actually performs here with a sense of joy.

I can't imagine her being this generous to an audience now.

(And this is the type of remix she should put on that new album.)

She'll be 64 in three months. I knooow: Cher. But without her elaborate, exhaustive shows- and a hit album- I can't imagine the lucrative tours of old.

On the plus side, you buy her vibrator.

[quote] Madonna? Some good stuff in her early days, but her repertoire dated poorly. Forgettable performances

Totally disagree with this. Material Girl recently topped Bad as the most shared 80s music video on tiktok. The problem isn't her music, it's her. And her Vogue performance has 50 million views which is crazy because that's like half of the views of the actual music video.

[quote] Her voice has zero expression, an extremely limited range, sounds cold and robotic.

Her range is limited but this idea that her voice has zero expression is silly. Live To Tell, Oh Father, Like a Prayer, Frozen, I'll Remember, Don't Cry for Me Argentina, etc. are all sung with lots of emotion.

[quote] Her music didn’t have much depth.

This is total BS. Her music has more depth to it than Michael Jackson's did. Michael Jackson just repeated himself forever after Thriller. Live to Tell, Oh Father, Frozen, Papa Don't Preach, The Power of Goodbye, Express Yourself, have more depth than Michael Jackson's songs.

[quote] She relied on shock value.

This is only true if history ends at 1992. From 1993 through 2008 or so, she stopped using shock tactics to promote her music. And Ray of Light, Confessions and Music were all massive global hits.

With her money, Madonna could start a foundation, give out scholarships to promising young dancers and musicians, and do other charitable works that would really do some good in the world. Look at all Dolly Parton is doing--but Dolly isn't a malignant narcissist.

R549, I really do think Madonna would have been great at fostering younger talent at some point. She seems like the type who would not hold back when it comes to feedback. But she's too narcissistic. She can't see the bigger picture anymore. Which is truly sad because that used to be one of her strenghts.

R548 agree, people are full of so much negativity for her on here it colours their opinion of everything. Just because she didn’t have the range of some singers doesn’t mean she can’t sing. At its best her voice sounded pretty warm and rich and she really knew how to bring emotion and conviction to what she sang. This is an example. Just because she’s a nutcase now don’t rewrite the past. She was one of the best pop stars of all time.

R549, Madonna has never been a philanthropist. She's very selfish with her money.

Other individuals with vast wealth have charitable foundations and want to make the world a better place. They look down on crass people like Madonna who hoard their money and don't give to charities.

R551 she was one of the WORST pop stars of all time. They vocals in the linked video are so augmented it is not even funny.

She was one of the greatest marketers of all time. She could create shit and sell it to faggots who loved worshipping a no talent.

You don't get to be as huge as Madonna was with no talent. She had a perfectly decent voice for pop. Diana Ross didn't have a very huge vocal range either, but her voice was perfect for pop, it was very commercial.

Out of all the pop stars of her era, Madonna had the most consistent and varied output. Michael Jackson, as great as he was initially, shot his wad with Thriller. He only did two studio albums after that. Bad only had two or three good songs and Dangerous was pure shit, and sounded very dated when it came out. And of course Michael Jackson also fucked little boys.

R553 you need to relax, love. Regardless of your opinion she is clearly one of the top pop stars in history as evidenced by the sales, stats, the outstanding back catalogue and her cultural impact. Sure she’s a bit of a dick and an embarrassment now but that doesn’t take away from objective facts.

Besides Dolly's philanthropy, Olivia Newton-John established a wellness center for cancer thrivers in Australia and Barbra Streisand has The Streisand Foundation, which supports a variety of worthy causes and the Barbra Streisand Women's Heart Center.

Whitney Houston had the greatest voice of her generation, but her material wasn't always the best. Unfortunately, she got caught up in that PUTRID Adult Contemporary wave that was so popular in the late 80s/early 90s. Clive Davis really pushed those MOR "Lite FM" ballads on her because that was where the money was with the white frau audience he wanted for Whitney.

Right, just because someone is "taelented" , doesn't mean they'll make good or great music. I think Lady Gaga and Madonna are perfect contrasts. Madonna isn't anywhere near as musically talented as Gaga, but she managed to make much better and more memorable music. She is greater than the sum of her parts. Lady Gaga is the opposite case, she's so talented yet everrything she has done after Born this Way has gotten more and more boring and mediocre. That song "A Million Reasons" is a perfect example. All that "talent" and that's the best ballad you can come up with? Ballads like Live to Tell, You'll See and Take a Bow shit all over that song.

[quote] She could create shit and sell it to faggots who loved worshipping a no talent.

Andddd the Ancient White Fags troll makes their appearance.

There is no question that Madonna created some great pop music in the 80s, 90s, and even the early 00s. But her time as a pop star is over, and she'd do better turning all her energy towards something besides plastic surgery, mediocre stage performances, and bizarre Instagram and Tik-Tok posts. We only have so much time on this earth, and she's wasting her later years in an endless narcissistic spiral.

Madonna could still make great music, but it would have to be more "mature" and targeted to an older audience, which is something that Madonna will never do because she refuses to accept that she's a dinosaur to younger people, and they have no interest in her.

If Madonna courted the Gen X audience who made her a star and have been lifelong fans, she could really do some interesting work. Madonna has always been a Gen X phenomenon, even though she's actually a Boomer herself. Ironically, most of her fellow Boomers can't stand her. This is evident right here on DL with our eldergays.

I don’t think Madonna had much talent or depth to her music, but I agree about MJ too, he is way overrated. He did the same moves at least 2 decades. Not to mention he’s a pedophile. Prince, Springsteen, those were the true 80s talents. I respect musicality, instruments and storytelling through lyrics.

Prince IMHO was the greatest male artist of his era. He was truly incredible at his creative peak.

Hysterical R554.

That is like saying "You cannot be as big as McDonalds while having garbage food."

Huge and quality do not go together in the US. Huge and knowing how to sell shit are not the same as quality.

r564 Madonna made some of the best pop music of all time, her catalog definitely has some quality to it.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Madonna took her hits, and some deep cuts, had them arranged and music directed by someone brilliant, and took them on the road in an intimate, sophisticated cabaret act? Maybe even added a few well-chosen covers? Dressed the part, maybe borrowing from her Dietrich fangurl looks?

Or, you know, posing like a bloated hooker's corpse, ass up, head under the bed, as if waiting to be examined for evidence by detectives Benson & Tutuola. That's cool too.

Then why isn’t she selling out concerts anymore, R565? Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Bon Jovi, etc... all still sell out. Her music didn’t stick and that’s the bottom line. Not sure she could be a legacy act because, I am sorry, I don’t think she’s that talented, but she didn’t even try to keep her original audience.

That's my point--Madonna could still perform, but not in the pop star persona she's crafted since the 80s. She can't compete with Gen Z stars in their 20s, and she's ridiculous to even try. The cabaret act is a great idea, but she'd never do it.

R567, she was selling out concerts at record numbers until very recently. That Madam X Tour was a disaster though.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she had to pay Maluma to join him. This is not a good look for Him

Madonna doesn't do a lot of hits from her back catalog, and fans don't want to hear the MDMA or Madame X shit. Springsteen, Joel, Elton, Stevie Nicks and others only do their best-known hits in concert because they're smart enough to know that what the fans want to hear and that's why they showed up in the first place.

Madonna and Mariah both have such a weird relationship with their older hits. They despise them yet those are the hits their audience remembers and lovers.

While filming the “Papa Don’t Preach” video, Danny Aiello asked Madonna for an autographed photo. His daughter was a fan. Madonna refused his request. It was so petty, selfish and cruel.

Yes, R571, all those artists understand what the audience is there for: To hear the hits that mean a lot to them. To recapture a bit of their youth, or in some cases to pass their love of these acts on to their children or grandchildren, who they bring along to the show.

These acts often sing songs that are 50 years old. Paul McCartney sings Beatles songs, with good grace. He understands that at the end of it all, he is a working man, and this is his job, and the audience are his customers. They are here for him because he is there for them.

Madonna is obsessed with youth--not surprising she hates the decades-old hits that remind her of her age. She doesn't care what her GenX and older millennial fans want because she wants to appeal to 18-year-olds, which isn't going to happen en masse.

Interestingly enough Stevie Nicks, who is 10 years older, has the biggest young music star in the world as a collaborator and fan, Harry Styles. Gaga has Tony Bennett. Have any young artists today cited Madonna as an influence or wanted to duet with her besides Maluma?

R573, that’s horrible, if true. But she’s always been known as a terrible person. That’s another reason she can segue even into a lifestyle brand, she not relatable or particularly likable.

It wasn't that Madonna refused to give Aiello's daughter an autograph, it's that she refused to let the daughter come on set so she could take pictures with her. She has hated Madonna ever since.

[quote]Madonna and Mariah both have such a weird relationship with their older hits.

Mariah has performed all of her number one hits and on her last tour featured several deep album cuts. She's even done stuff from Glitter because fans made it go to number one on I Tunes.

Madonna's fans did the same with Bedtime stories, but not one song from it was featured on the Madame X tour.

Is it true that Madonna kept her fans waiting for three hours, before she appeared at her concert?

R579 she kept us waiting an hour and a half at one of her shows (I think it was Confessions). It was maddening because what are we going to do, leave? We paid hundreds of dollars for tickets.

Madonna's music is mostly limited by her/her collaborators' lack of ability at writing interesting melodies. There is no pleasing feeling of development or harmonica elaboration. The songs are all full of "hooks" or simple melodic riffs but those always get beaten to death in the arrangements. Has there ever been much musical joy in Madonna's music? The songs often feel contrived and thin melodically - production without content.

A classic example is "Crave" (one of the better songs from [italic]Madame X[/italic]). Swae Lee's vocal sections are much more interesting than Madonna's but they're kept to a minimum, probably so that they don't overshadow the contributions of "the star".

Ha ha - "harmonic", not "harmonica"

Madonna keeping her audiences waiting HOURS is one of the reasons she lost her hold as a top touring artist. Nobody wants to wait three hours in a hot arena for some entitled white woman to come on stage and start pontificating that "we need a revolution" or whatever nonsense she chooses to spout. These people have paid hundreds of dollars to see you and you treat them like garbage. Not to mention they now get the privilege of waiting hours to watch you perform your shitty new album with MAYBE some old songs in truncated form and remixed.

But of course, it's all because of ageism and misogyny as Madonna would cry.

R583, I'm a fan and reading what you posted makes me glad I never ever bought tickets for any of her tours. Tardiness is a pet peeve of mine, I can't stand to be anywhere more than 5 minutes late, let alone 3 fucking hours.

True, r584. I don't mind staying up late because I hate going to bed early, but I'm probably more of an exception to the norm. But seeing Madonna do that to other people just showed me how entitled and out of touch she is. And I've been a lifelong fan.

She used to be such a professional - that is why she became one of the biggest touring acts because she put in the time and her shows started on time. I don't know how she has the audacity to sit in her dressing room for all those hours and let people WAIT. And what the fuck is she doing in there while audiences wait? And it's so disrespectful to the venue staff who probably have to request overtime from their managers - and of course, the whole issue with transit. Unlike you, Madonna, many people have to rely on transit, and, yes, transit can end at 1:00 a.m. in the morning when your Madame X show finishes. We all don't have the luxury of having a limo escort us home.

Starting 20-30 minutes late to build anticipation is one thing. Starting three hours late is a shitty thing to do.

[quote]Madonna's music is mostly limited by her/her collaborators' lack of ability at writing interesting melodies. There is no pleasing feeling of development or harmonica elaboration. The songs are all full of "hooks" or simple melodic riffs but those always get beaten to death in the arrangements. Has there ever been much musical joy in Madonna's music? The songs often feel contrived and thin melodically - production without content.

Her earlier work had interesting melodies and were very fun pop. You have to remember that many of Madonna's songs were not pop music but electronic dance music, which is different than melodic pop music.

I stopped going to Madonna concerts after Rebel Heart. I felt I was watching an animatronic version of the superstar who had fascinated me for so many years.

Madonna always let her audience wait for hours on end. It became her shtick, even though people loathed her for it. But, she was huge and relevant back then; so she got away with it.

Still, a nasty habit. George Michael always started on the dot. Elton John, Bruce Springsteen, same story.

As DL'ers know, it's not just fans who are left waiting and kept up all night; it's all the staff and crew at and around the venue.

It's a real narcissist stunt. It can only work when the money you bring in is worth the shit you rain down on those "beneath" you.

The Madonna David Foster describes here is long gone. Listen to how he talks about her. He basically says that she really earned her co-producer credit.

"That" Madonna still exists R591. She's just hit a speed bump. She'll get her mojo back soon.

The menopause demon has sucked her pussy permanently dry decades ago.

We need her. And not just the gays -- everyone.

Is anyone here interested in joining me in a group prayer session for her on Zoom?

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[quote] Madonna always let her audience wait for hours on end.

That's not true. Madonna's earlier tours, she was a professional and showed up on time. She seemed to start pulling this shit around Hard Candy, then MDNA.

The trace of Madonna's decline is Hard Candy. After Confessions, she was on top again. There was good buzz on Madonna forums. But I remember when Hard Candy came out, she lost a lot of fans. And it just got worse from there.

She should have taken the opportunity of the Super Bowl performance to do a tour of all her hits and she would have pleased longtime fans and maybe picked up some new ones. But her ego wouldn't allow that.

[quote] From 1993 through 2008 or so, she stopped using shock tactics to promote her music.

The videos for What It Feels Like For A Girl, Die Another Day, American Life, being hung on a cross? Madonna was topless dancing in 1994, making out with lesbians, her Letterman interview in 1994, dating rapers, she did topless photoshoots during the Bedtime Stories era. WTF are you talking about?

1994.

1994.

[quote]After Confessions, she was on top again

Only in Europe. Aside from Hung Up, which didn't even crack the top 5, none of the other singles made an impact in the US.

The decline for her in the US started after Music.

Televised. 1994.