Do you think being attracted by Hunter Schafer makes a guy gay?

No. She presents as female.

If you're attracted once you find out he's got a dick, then you're at least a little gay.

Majority of mtf tranny chasers are straight --- most often their reasoning is they can get someone at a higher ranking than the women available to them.

You rarely even get the str8 guy that was pegged by his girlfriend type...

the number of gay guys that chase mtf trans are exceedingly small. drag is not a fetish for most of them, so neither are transwomen.

As reductive as this sounds, if if a MTF has a peen, yes, it does make a guy gay.

If you suck cock, you're into dudes.

"Some women have dicks, get over it" - no, they don't.

r4 You assume they're sucking their dicks, in all likelihood they're getting sucked or fucking them up the ass.

Just as women making out with each other for free drinks don't make them lesbians or even bi.

But hey, you do you. You align your trans hostility with homos and give them more incentive to avoid your kind politics.

[quote]You align your trans hostility with homos and give them more incentive to avoid your kind politics.

LOL - What does this even mean, not to mention the T hostility toward gay men far exceeds anthing even DL has ever espoused. Are you new here?

[quote]Just as women making out with each other for free drinks don't make them lesbians or even bi.

False equivalence on two counts:1) as small an inducement as it is, a free drink is still a prize beyond purely sexual gratification; 2) kissing isn't remotely as sexual an activity as sucking cock.

R5 No, straight man don't want to go near dick. These man have repressed same sex urges.

Straight men can not be compared to girls asking out with each other. There is no taboo in it and it helps them get the attention of straight guys who adore these scenes and probably all get a hard on watching it.

I meant "making out", not asking out.

Yes, if you like chick with dick you're a homo.

[R7] but in reality, those into trans don't find men attractive. They just hate it if their partners have masculine built, body hair or dudebro expressions. They're basically fascinated by a female image, and it does not matter what the genital is between their legs. I really hate it when gay guys on Grindr share dick pics to each other. For me, I don't care if you have a v or d down there if you have a face and body like Froy or Brandon Flynn. Being gay doesn't necessarily mean you love cock. There're gays out there aren't into oral or anal while they are still gay coz they want to cuddle with masculine people.

There are many "straight" guys who are down with a female presenting trans girl, even with a dick. Really straight guys are often fascinates by dicks so a dick being on a "girl" can be perfect.

They certainly aren't gay because they don't want to be with someone who is physically male presenting.

Maybe not straight either, don't know what to call them. Fluid I guess. But tranny chasers has always been a real thing.

No, just tedious.

LOL, straight men aren't on grindr

Straight men are not "down" with being with men dressed up like women and flapping their penises around, end stop.

Just stop this and move along.

Trans girls want to convince themselves they're pulling in straight cock, but these guys want dick not pussy.

Straight men aren’t attracted to men masquerading as women. Those men are at the very least bisexual.

r17 they usually don't know they're men at the time, dear, just like most of the time they probably don't know you're a woman.

many dudes will put their dick into just about anything... just as many women will masturbate with whatever is handy. There are many lesbians that use lifelike phalluses but it doesn't mean they're interested in a man's dick.

tranny fetishists tend to be homophobic and their desire is for an eventual front fuckhole... yes, there are some that are into the dick but ladyboys occupy another arena which many debate shouldn't be included in trans discussions. . . and women with enlarged clits or flat chested are generally left out of calling their male partners gay or bi and their female partners str8.

It's not a defense of trannies but I know that's your fetish too, so rage on... continue to crossover into homophobia and scapegoat gay men for it all. . . all the while screaming at us to join your crusade while you're throwing us under the bus knowing exactly how the public will play it out. You're drawing the line in the sand... you types keep saying oh, no, it's not about that. it's about protecting us, the children, women... but here you are trying to make it a gay thing when it's a fetish, a paraphilia.

"those into trans don't find men attractive. They just hate it if their partners have masculine built, body hair or dudebro expressions."

R10 You are a bit simple, are you. The most masculine feature on a person is penis, my dear. Many men aren't muscly, hairy and don't use dudebro expressions, but they all have a penis and testicles. When granny said "manhood" you know what was she referring to? The organ that enables man to take a masculine role in sex. And procreate.

Do you know any straight men. They like different types of women, even butch ones or muscly girls that do sports, but they like female body including vagina.

The fact looks for people with male sexual organs that look feminine on the outside just proves that they have big psychological barriers, they are so repressed that they can not experiment with men, they have to fool themselves. I read the memoirs of Boy George, who was only dressing in feminine clothes, but underneath the clothes he was a normal man, he didn't transition and he said that he was with a big number of guys that deluded themselves they were straight and that they saw him as a woman. Although when he took of his clothes he was a man like any other. This is the power of delusion in people with repressed homosexual urges.

I think a healthy bi curious young guy who only wants to experiment a bit would go with a normal guy, and then decide if he is straight or whatever, like many curious but mentally stable youngsters do. He wouldn't have to make the charade with woman with dick.

And no, gay man can not be attracted to person that is transitioning and has a vagina. As I said before, grannys didn't call penis manhood for nothing.

the attraction to fraus is a sickness.

hardly a wonder they'd rather a ladyboy

Euphoria, Season 1 Hunter - no, not necessarily

Euphoria, Season 2 Hunter - yes, definitely

[R13] they are on Tinder rather than Grindr.

[R15] They want trans' bum than their dick. Dick for them is just garnish.

R23 Women have bums too, you can have bum and pussy. Dick is garnish only to gay and bisexual men.

[R19] The point is , there are people out there who don't care about male or female genitals at all. You evaluate whether a person is gay or straight purely based on the attraction towards a specific genital, and it's pretty superficial. In my understanding, the Orthodox gay representation would be those popular instagramers like Gus Kenworthy, Sam Cushing, taylor Phillips. They are attracted by both manly appearance and the male genital. They are 100% gay gay gay. If someone likes Hunter Schafer, I would say he might be 20% gay at most, just for Hunter's genital.

Honey R25, a guy that likes dick is very much gay.

R25 = Tranny

R25: "You evaluate whether a person is gay or straight purely based on the attraction towards a specific genital, and it's pretty superficial."

Please explain why a recognition of one's innate sexual orientation renders a person "superficial". Also please explain why an attraction to "a specific genital" is a negative trait. Also please explain why the sexual orientations of others are yours to "unpack", as the kids say.

R28 Gay men have heard all kind of slurs, but that liking cock makes you superficial is a new one.

OP, don’t be so surprised, because I promise you, MANY straight men will date or fuck a trans MtF, if she passes WELL.

Saw this scenario repeatedly when I lived in WeHo. My neighbor was MtF, and she had them lined up consistently.

She had a full dance card, as they say, and YES, she passed perfectly, until she started talking. She had one of the deepest voices ever, which must have driven her fucking crazy, but otherwise? The bitch looked better than most women, and her suitors weren’t too shabby, either.

All of those suitors were repressed gay men. This is not rocket science. Why would good-looking straight men not find real women with a real pussy?

[quote][R25]: "You evaluate whether a person is gay or straight purely based on the attraction towards a specific genital, and it's pretty superficial."

Call me Regina George and induct me into the plastics.

Not only do I evaluate whether a person is gay or straight based on attraction towards a specific genital, I categorically state it is the SOLE criteria for determining whether someone is gay or straight - the attraction to specific genitalia.

Once again a discussion about sexuality that is the same tired old shit. He likes dick,he's gay ! He fucks a trans,he's gay ! He's been in prison for 10 years and fucks a hot young guy because he craves flesh so bad,he's gay ! Im 60 years old and Im willing to bet Ive had more dick than most of you and I never wasted my goddam time worrying about labels. He fucks me,I dont care if hes a martian . Ive had every size,shape and color of man there is,and I never once asked them what they identified as. You can bet your asses if I were 25 again,Id be burning up all the dating sites and not give a good goddam what they call themselves. Too old too soon,sadly.I would have reveled in this day and age. And drowned in a sea of dick.

R33 Prison, army in war and other places when men are isolated for a long period is situational behavior. As you said they crave flesh so bad and they will have sex with anyone and anything. Although not all men, some men will rather choose to masturbate.

But we are talking about people who are living in the world populated by males and females equally and in western civilization many years after the sexual revolution, where a man can choose which sex he will pursue.

So, these men have access to women and straight men will go after them. I have straight friends and relatives and these guys would not waste their time on going after someone with the dick.

A guy who goes after a person with dick is either gay or at least bi. But, specifically the guys who go after the trans women have some problems with accepting their same sex attraction and must wrap dick in dress and wigs. Because, normal bi curious young guys wouldn't have problems to hook up with regular guy.

I've noticed while its all too common nowadays for men to come out dating another men it is still very rare for a man coming out dating a tranny.

R35 Those who date tranny usually don't come out, because they are dating a "woman". Isn't that the whole point, enjoy dick and consider yourself straight (and I am not talking about women, who can enjoy dick and be straight).

A penis on a female is just a giant CLITORIS! These men are not gay. They don't like muscles, body hair, whiskers, man hands, and they LOVE TITTIES! They love Hyper-femininity . They don't care what's between the legs of the women they are pursing.

Trust me R37, every, but every man, cares what is between the legs of the person he is pursuing. Decorum is very fine and all, but, when two people get together in bed naked, the main thing is between the legs.

And R37 did you ever have a cat who had kittens. At first you don't know their sex, but after awhile, you can find out by looking between their legs.

OP never experiences sexual attraction from others or never triggers sexual desire in others, I presume, so she had to ask this stupid question.

"They don't like muscles, body hair, whiskers, man hands, and they LOVE TITTIES! They love Hyper-femininity"

All this can be found in so called cis women, more than anywhere else. A trans woman can hardly be minute as a real woman, have womanly hips, ass, delicate skin, small hands and feet and khm vagina.

The feet are real giveaway. I have seen some porn with trans men and besides the genitals, the small, feminine shaped feet was a big distraction.

He's still looks very male. So, yes.

R25 Correcting you, Gus K and Taylor P are both bi.

Hunter identifies as she/her if i'm not mistaken

R45 He is just a gay boy who was shoved onto the trans train far too early

R46 I empathize with trans people and feel for them, but God, all these dr. Mengeles experimenting on underage kids, I would reopen Nurnberg trials for them.

r44 Gus Kenworthy is bi?

Get out of here!

R49 He's into ftm trannies.

Therefore, not 100% gay.

R49 Another fake gay

I always thought that there was no male counterpart of political lesbian. But, who knows, there might be political gays, who are not really into men, who like pussy but psychologically dislike women. So, as long as she wears a beard, male clothes and talks like a dudebro, he would gladly thrust in her pussy. Must open a thread to see the public opinion.

Don't forget trans "women" have huge Adam's apples. There's no way to ignore that.

He's a man.

This is a grey area IMO. If I were to rank myself on the Kinsey scale, I would be a 6—I have never found women sexually attractive, and have exclusively been attracted to (both romantically and sexually) only other men. I do not find Hunter Schafer even remotely attractive because she presents as a woman. There is more to sexual attraction than simply one's genitals—I am attracted to men who look like men. Hunter may still have a dick, but for all intents and purposes, I view her as a woman because that is what she's tailored herself to appear as. Her features are all, for the most part, feminine.

As far as the men who would fuck Hunter, I don't really know how one would classify them. Any male who would fuck her would definitely have to be into chicks, but they'd also have to be able to ignore the fact that she has a cock and balls between her legs; some could be bisexual and turned on by the dichotomy. I don't know. It seems very complicated.

Hunter Scharfer is dating her co-star from Euphoria. I wonder what his real orientation is.

What is that thing? Unattractive either as a man or woman.

Oh Lawd ! Here come the "He's gay!" trolls !

Hunter Schafer looks like a German geography teacher.

^ He looks like an average swedish guy to me.

Asian MTFs tend to be much more convincing. Here a pretty Thai transgender model, @ poydtreechada

Japanese transgender model gamer Sato Kayo

I know you didn't ask about women but as a lesbian I find her so attractive and I am not into femme women. I wouldn't care about the dick. There is an energy about her that is attractive to me.

I was not expecting Hunter to appear on Terri Jo's Live.

Gay men don't want to have sex with anything that looks like a woman/skank, so that'd make those attracted to Hunter S. straight.

Gay Men want Men

straight men just want a hole.

R61 Lesbian my ass

I knew a short femme gay guy a while back who was a total bottom.

He wasn’t trans but would drag up and pick up straight guys on hook up sites who were into rough anal and who knew he was a male but would treat him like a woman (what he thought a woman was)

He got what he needed from it and the guys got to play our a rape fantasy that didn’t risk them going to prison.

R54

Fike looks thrilled to be there. Is he getting paid to make Schafer seem desirable?