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Fears surging crime in New York could ‘frighten away’ desperately needed tourists

The bashing of a pop star on a New York street has highlighted a huge issue facing the city where a cop has quipped that “only Central Park squirrels are safe”.

British singer Tom Grennan was hospitalized after an “unprovoked attack and robbery” outside a New York City bar following a performance this week, his manager said.

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by Anonymousreply 600July 1, 2022 9:33 PM

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by Anonymousreply 1April 22, 2022 10:34 PM

According to DL, NYers hate tourists, so this is probably a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 2April 22, 2022 10:35 PM

a 3rd world country in the making!

by Anonymousreply 3April 22, 2022 10:36 PM

Americans (outside of the people who continue to choose to live in NYC) are understanding the increasing danger that exists in NYC, but my concern is that foreigners may not be aware of how badly things are deteriorating in the city. The U.S. government should issue a travel warning to visitors coming to the U.S.

We have had these situations before, like when a foreign couple didn’t realize it was dangerous to sleep in their car at a deserted highway rest stop, or when foreigners would take a wrong turn from the Miami airport and drive through dangerous neighborhoods. Foreigners don’t have the same knowledge that Americans have about where it is very unsafe to be in this country. Foreign DLers visiting the U.S. should ask if certain areas are safe or not when planning a trip here.

by Anonymousreply 4April 22, 2022 10:37 PM

Lol R4 get a life.

by Anonymousreply 5April 22, 2022 10:38 PM

Another Russian cutout, here to spread fear and say that America is falling apart.

Crime is still below what it was in the 70s and 80s by orders of magnitude.

by Anonymousreply 6April 22, 2022 10:39 PM

Someone needs to do something about Miss Grennan's hair.

by Anonymousreply 7April 22, 2022 10:42 PM

Crime statistics by capita are going to hide increases in crime if the population grows more rapidly than the number of crimes.

by Anonymousreply 8April 22, 2022 10:42 PM

^ I was told no math here

by Anonymousreply 9April 22, 2022 10:43 PM

^That's not real math. It's just stupid math.

by Anonymousreply 10April 22, 2022 10:46 PM

^ slay, bitch

by Anonymousreply 11April 22, 2022 10:47 PM

[quote]Foreigners don’t have the same knowledge that Americans have about where it is very unsafe to be in this country.

They have no idea how feral and violent American blacks are.

by Anonymousreply 12April 22, 2022 11:17 PM

New York City is the hellhole of this world. I urge New Yorkers to relocate and help other cities in your nation prosper.

by Anonymousreply 13April 22, 2022 11:22 PM

R2 tourism provides $60B in tax revenue and provides jobs in restaurants, theaters, hotels, and small businesses and that combined with a work force that would prefer to remain remote is a big loss

by Anonymousreply 14April 22, 2022 11:25 PM

turn off lights on way out peeps cash me outside

by Anonymousreply 15April 22, 2022 11:30 PM

OP, you sly puss.

by Anonymousreply 16April 22, 2022 11:30 PM

Ch. 4 news in NYC just reported he was outside a bar on Bleecker Street between 3:30am and 4am.

I've been in NYC for more than 20 years, and it's always been good practice not to hang out on the street in the middle of the night. And to keep your wits about you and not look drunk or guard-down if you have to walk around at that hour. Muggers have always been looking for easy marks stumbling away from bars, and he probably was one.

by Anonymousreply 17April 22, 2022 11:32 PM

I'm reminded of an episode of THE GOLDEN GIRLS when Blanche gets engaged and is all giddy about honeymooning in NYC Then she stops suddenly and says rather ominously, "I just hope I don't get murdered." This was when NYC was a shithole -- before the big cleanup in the '90s -- but it looks like it's reverting to that state. smh

by Anonymousreply 18April 22, 2022 11:33 PM

Racist deplorable R12 needs to be permanently exiled from this forum.

by Anonymousreply 19April 22, 2022 11:36 PM

Yes, crime in NYC has skyrocketed... all the way back to 2019 levels which were then historic lows.

NYPD is so overwhelmed with the crime surge that their #1 priority is... going after the homeless and their advocates.

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by Anonymousreply 20April 22, 2022 11:37 PM

Crime was higher in the 80s and 90s (when Giuliani was mayor) than it is today. Suck it, conservatives

by Anonymousreply 21April 22, 2022 11:38 PM

Crime is higher in the red states

by Anonymousreply 22April 22, 2022 11:39 PM

Luckily red state shitholes have no tourists to be frightened away.

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by Anonymousreply 23April 22, 2022 11:41 PM

Is that thing a trans? It has the face of a girl and the hair of a girl in her 50s. Yuck. It was probably attacked for being so fucking butt ugly.

by Anonymousreply 24April 22, 2022 11:42 PM

Turn a blind eye, liberals. Turn a blind eye.

by Anonymousreply 25April 22, 2022 11:43 PM

Cutest little thing. I volunteer to nurse him back to health.

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by Anonymousreply 26April 22, 2022 11:43 PM

Bring back Rudy!!

by Anonymousreply 27April 22, 2022 11:47 PM

Face of a tranny. Yuck. Could be the twin of Elliot page.

by Anonymousreply 28April 22, 2022 11:49 PM

So...you're a conservative, r25?

by Anonymousreply 29April 22, 2022 11:50 PM

Pfffft. I see those fat, badly-dressed potato families everywhere now. The tourists are here, believe me.

by Anonymousreply 30April 22, 2022 11:52 PM

Excuse me, Shithole Red-State Cunt Troll OP, while you are eating Trump's shit and dying painfully.

Gun Violence by State

The table below presents information from 24/7 Wall Street's analysis of gun violence by state. This information is a few years old; however, it gives a good idea of gun violence in each state per 100K.

Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of violence:

Alaska (24.5)

Alabama (22.9)

Montana (22.5)

Louisiana (21.7)

Mississippi (21.5)

Missouri (21.5)

Arkansas (20.3)

Wyoming (18.8)

West Virginia (18.6)

New Mexico (18.5)

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by Anonymousreply 31April 23, 2022 12:01 AM

Same with S.F. I have seen tourists in fear of the horror more than once. It aint Disneyland either. I was just assaulted for not giving some begging druggie money. He threw a cut of coffee he just begged off somebody at me. A couple months ago I was walking with my grandad he reluctantly paid some guy a dollar so he wouldn't get assaulted too. He's 89 years old and the looser was gonna assault him.

by Anonymousreply 32April 23, 2022 12:02 AM

LOL. Why the fuck would you go to shithole SF. It is even worse than the nightly bombings those from Damascus have to live with. LOL.

by Anonymousreply 33April 23, 2022 12:04 AM

R25 - go turn your cataract eyes to Repug shit and never come back. This liberal site ain't for you, fat QAnon cunt.

[bold]FUCK OFF!!![/bold]

by Anonymousreply 34April 23, 2022 12:04 AM

R33 cannot afford to live in San Francisco, yet now deliriously talks out of her fat ass about it.

by Anonymousreply 35April 23, 2022 12:07 AM

In February, overall crime in the city went up 58.7 per cent compared to the same month in 2021. Theft was up 79 per cent; assault by 22 per cent and murder by 10 per cent.

Only shootings were down, by a mere 1 per cent, according to New York Police Department (NYPD) data.

by Anonymousreply 36April 23, 2022 12:08 AM

R5 you get a life.

R4 is dead on. Euros live in these safe societies and don't realize how dangerous it is here when they come as tourists. And they also do things like stay in rooms in strangers houses to save money. DUH. Not smart.

And those Germans got off the highway at the Liberty City exit because they didn't want to pay a toll and it cost them their lives.

by Anonymousreply 37April 23, 2022 12:09 AM

When the aids was decimating SF it was a lot more fun. Now it is nothing but drug addicted homeless shitting everywhere. No fucking thanks, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 38April 23, 2022 12:09 AM

r27 which Germans are you referring to?

by Anonymousreply 39April 23, 2022 12:10 AM

r37 which Germans are you referring to?

by Anonymousreply 40April 23, 2022 12:11 AM

NYPD figures show hate crime is up 189 per cent year on year with attacks against Asian and Jewish people increasing the most.

by Anonymousreply 41April 23, 2022 12:14 AM

R37 I have a life. And I am a Euro, but I live in the states in a (TW) ‘major city’. It’s not so different in terms of personal safety. Gun trouble is more pronounced in the republican areas, city life is comparable to Europe here. I know that doesn’t suit your paranoid mania but it’s true.

by Anonymousreply 42April 23, 2022 12:14 AM

R40 I am talking about the Germans in the rental car in Liberty City.

by Anonymousreply 43April 23, 2022 12:16 AM

[QUOTE] Gun trouble is more pronounced in the republican areas

Are you joking?

by Anonymousreply 44April 23, 2022 12:18 AM

R25, turn a blind eye from crime in the red states, cunt

by Anonymousreply 45April 23, 2022 12:20 AM

The article doesn't say what bar Grennan was at, and whether it was below 96th or not.

by Anonymousreply 46April 23, 2022 12:20 AM

The New York Post reported that the only police precinct to see crime fall was the one covering Central Park.

“Only the squirrels are safe,” an officer told the paper. “Tourists will never come back.”

by Anonymousreply 47April 23, 2022 12:20 AM

There's at least one or two threads started here daily about how NY is a crime ridden shithole. F & F the OP. This is a midterm talking point being put out by the GQP that crime is on the increase due to Democrats. Don't fall for it.

by Anonymousreply 48April 23, 2022 12:22 AM

[QUOTE] Another Russian cutout,

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 49April 23, 2022 12:23 AM

[QUOTE] This is a midterm talking point being put out by the GQP that crime is on the increase due to Democrats. Don't fall for it.

Yeah keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better toots!

by Anonymousreply 50April 23, 2022 12:23 AM

A 22-year-old delivery man was beaten and robbed at gunpoint in a Washington Heights apartment building

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by Anonymousreply 51April 23, 2022 12:26 AM

Everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at your rear end, r32!

by Anonymousreply 52April 23, 2022 12:27 AM

r51 - Oh, Daily Mail, stay as sweet as you are.

by Anonymousreply 53April 23, 2022 12:28 AM

R31 "gun violence" could mean anything -- domestic stuff. We are talking about violent street crime on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 54April 23, 2022 12:28 AM

Well it's a small price to pay R51 to live in such a vibrant diverse neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 55April 23, 2022 12:30 AM

Life is cheap in the city

by Anonymousreply 56April 23, 2022 12:31 AM

R26 Good teeth but dirty flesh

by Anonymousreply 57April 23, 2022 12:34 AM

[quote]I have a life. And I am a Euro, but I live in the states in a (TW) ‘major city’. It’s not so different in terms of personal safety. Gun trouble is more pronounced in the republican areas, city life is comparable to Europe here. I know that doesn’t suit your paranoid mania but it’s true.

Bullshit.

You know very well that violent crime in the major Euro cities is a fraction of what it is in the US.

In 2019, Italy had 308 murders. In a country of 60 million people.

In 2019 NYC had 318 murders. In a city of 8 million people.

by Anonymousreply 58April 23, 2022 12:35 AM

R44 no I’m not joking. Look at the statistics for instance those at R31. I’ll reattach the link if it helps.

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by Anonymousreply 59April 23, 2022 12:38 AM

[QUOTE] Life is cheap in the city

And no one's there to catch you when you fall...

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by Anonymousreply 60April 23, 2022 12:38 AM

Are red state cities full of teeming vagrant tent encampments on public streets? I thought those hellscapes were limited to Blue.

by Anonymousreply 61April 23, 2022 12:40 AM

Meanwhile, in 2020 number of homicides for Singapore was 10. 😮

by Anonymousreply 62April 23, 2022 12:41 AM

NYC is BACK yall!!!!

by Anonymousreply 63April 23, 2022 12:42 AM

R61 is that the subject matter of the threat or are you changing topic to deflect?

by Anonymousreply 64April 23, 2022 12:43 AM

[quote]I thought those hellscapes were limited to Blue

You thought that because Fox and the NYPost want you to think that. They don’t breathlessly report out the police blotter from Houston or Anchorage every day the way they do with New York and Chicago.

by Anonymousreply 65April 23, 2022 12:43 AM

R61, in red states they are called housing developments.

by Anonymousreply 66April 23, 2022 12:45 AM

Violent crime on the subway is skyrocketing, NYPD stats show.

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by Anonymousreply 67April 23, 2022 12:48 AM

Don’t hang out on the street in NYC at 3:30AM. And if you do - don’t be surprised if something happened.

And the city is still packed with tourists - so I guess they missed this memo.

P.S. please tell me a city in the US where it’s safe to hang around on the street in the middle of the night. Generally not a great idea.

by Anonymousreply 68April 23, 2022 12:54 AM

R67 fascinatingly and coincidentally enough, ridership was also up by around 50% for the same periods this year versus last year. I wonder what that context could tell us about your NYPost headline? Don’t hurt yourself thinking too hard x.

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by Anonymousreply 69April 23, 2022 12:57 AM

[quote]Euros live in these safe societies and don't realize how dangerous it is here when they come as tourists.

They just don't understand how violent Americans can be.

by Anonymousreply 70April 23, 2022 1:15 AM

[quote] It's not clear outside which bar the alleged attack took place.

Is the cute Brit in OP's story gay? Because they seem to be purposefully vague as to the bar. Was it a possible gay bashing?

by Anonymousreply 71April 23, 2022 1:16 AM

R69 after last week with the worst assault in the history of NYCs subway system will that still be true as assaults have risen in the last 2 months. My office in Midtown has been on remote since December and no one who relies on the subway to get to work wants to return. It's no longer about COVID/Omicron

by Anonymousreply 72April 23, 2022 1:30 AM

I'm in Queens and won't go near a subway or the city. Anyone denying the increase in crime doesn't live anywhere near here. the Asian community is being slaughtered by blacks, and the Jews are a close second to it. No one wants to say the truth. Nearly all of the killing, assaults, subway shoving, shooting, theft, all crime, is being done by blacks. I'm not a racist, but as a NY'er, this is the truth. Again, I'm staying over here in Queens.

by Anonymousreply 73April 23, 2022 1:31 AM

R17 also don't work in a Burger King, McDonalds, bodega, deli or pizza parlor and don't work delivery.

by Anonymousreply 74April 23, 2022 1:33 AM

I thought Paris and London and Berlin were supposedly full of no-go Muslim war zones? Now they’re shangri-la compared to American cities, and their babe in the woods naïfs should be petrified of venturing into the US?

Make it make sense before whining and bitching. I guess the argument is “everything is terrible, remember the old days when nothing anywhere was bad”? Maybe you’re just old and reactionary and the world has passed you by.

by Anonymousreply 75April 23, 2022 1:35 AM

Pshhh...Pop Star Pap Smear...

I was a former reconnaissance officer in the Life Guards regiment of the British Army and served under NATO during the 1999 Kosovo War.

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by Anonymousreply 76April 23, 2022 1:38 AM

r75 you're incorrect on every point

by Anonymousreply 77April 23, 2022 1:45 AM

Has there not been reporting in recent years of “no-go zones” in Paris, London, et al?

Are you sure you’re not a reactionary, because that would fly in the face of your argumentation.

by Anonymousreply 78April 23, 2022 1:52 AM

[quote]I thought Paris and London and Berlin were supposedly full of no-go Muslim war zones?

That's a bit extreme, but there are problems in those neighborhoods.

by Anonymousreply 79April 23, 2022 1:56 AM

That’s that’s exactly how Fox framed it! Extreme is the modus operandi. Now New York is the war zone du jour.

by Anonymousreply 80April 23, 2022 2:09 AM

Find any american city on the map ,then look up their crime statistics. Then look up who's committing the majority of those crimes. Same old story everywhere,but we arent allowed to say so because RACISM.

by Anonymousreply 81April 23, 2022 2:17 AM

Because they are poor

by Anonymousreply 82April 23, 2022 2:18 AM

Maybe defunding police is not good after all.

by Anonymousreply 83April 23, 2022 2:23 AM

if you want to see a Broadway show there's availability aplenty on formerly hard to get tickets and NYC hotels are less expensive than they were 10 years ago

by Anonymousreply 84April 23, 2022 2:26 AM

Yup r83 the NYPD has been defunded. Crime is up because cops aren’t receiving paychecks anymore. There aren’t cops anymore actually due to the defunding. No police at all anymore because blacks. You’ve nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 85April 23, 2022 2:34 AM

"Because they are fucking criminals"

Fixed that for you R82. Poverty is NO excuse for being a criminal.

by Anonymousreply 86April 23, 2022 2:34 AM

Oh, r81, you're just a silly noodlehead...

by Anonymousreply 87April 23, 2022 2:37 AM

R85 the anti-crime unit was disbanded under De Blasio and the police have become largely demoralized with the 'catch and release' program.

by Anonymousreply 88April 23, 2022 2:38 AM

Blacks blacks blacks blacks blacks.

by Anonymousreply 89April 23, 2022 2:38 AM

Taupes, taupes, taupes, taupes, taupes

by Anonymousreply 90April 23, 2022 2:39 AM

[quote] which Germans are you referring to?

The ones that bought Shady Pines, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 91April 23, 2022 2:42 AM

The Ladies of the View talked about the 'Central Park Karen' for calling the police on an African American man for a week but barely mentioned the worst subway assault in NYCs history perpetuated by an African American male

by Anonymousreply 92April 23, 2022 2:51 AM

[quote]—I wonder why

Because they knew it would annoy you, r92.

by Anonymousreply 93April 23, 2022 2:58 AM

or more likely because it doesn't fit their narrative R93 The View wasn't broadcast that Tuesday as all NY stations carried live coverage and updates of the subway shooting.

by Anonymousreply 94April 23, 2022 3:01 AM

[quote] I'm not a racist, but

Sure you aren’t bb.

by Anonymousreply 95April 23, 2022 3:02 AM

no more a racist than Sunny Hosten R95

by Anonymousreply 96April 23, 2022 3:03 AM

Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violence, but many people refuse to accept it. The same people who refuse to believe most homeless are drug addicts and/or mentally ill and not just one paycheck away from rehabilitation.

by Anonymousreply 97April 23, 2022 3:54 AM

R85, I didn't say anything about black

by Anonymousreply 98April 23, 2022 3:55 AM

No r98 but everybody else did!

by Anonymousreply 99April 23, 2022 3:56 AM

R83 NYPD was not defunded. Maybe a bloated police force doesn't actually prevent crime.

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by Anonymousreply 100April 23, 2022 4:06 AM

R97 I don’t think anyone disputes that a lot of homeless people suffer from mental illness. You seem to be one of those weirdos that think that people suffering from mental illness deserve homelessness tho, or that their mental illness explains their homeless in a way that’s fair or just in society. You’re a shithead is what I’m getting at. And a racist too. Be best!

by Anonymousreply 101April 23, 2022 4:13 AM

According to latest information reporting back from employers and business owners, large reason they are having push back against ending WFH is not covid related. Rather employees moan city is dirty (it is), crime and violence (that is happening), and ever increasing amounts of deranged druggies and homeless lose on streets and transit system (they are).

No, crime is not back to 1970's levels in city yet, but perception shapes people's reality. When you hear of someone going into subway system and popping off rounds, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

by Anonymousreply 102April 23, 2022 4:16 AM

[quote]According to latest information reporting back from employers and business owners

What information "reporting back," R102?

What are your citations?

Link to evidence or you're just spouting bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 103April 23, 2022 4:29 AM

Back in the 70s it was usually knife attacks. These fucking nutcases all have guns now. And guns that can fire off a lot of rounds.

by Anonymousreply 104April 23, 2022 4:39 AM

R103

Go fuck yourself, arsehole.

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by Anonymousreply 105April 23, 2022 4:49 AM

Here's another you sad old twat.

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by Anonymousreply 106April 23, 2022 4:50 AM

Yet another....

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by Anonymousreply 107April 23, 2022 4:51 AM

Clueless couple lost in the hood.

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by Anonymousreply 108April 23, 2022 5:07 AM

I would definitely say NY feels more unsafe, due to random acts of violence, unemployment and increased aggression. The situation is a runaway train and I doubt it can even be remedied.

by Anonymousreply 109April 23, 2022 5:18 AM

Gee, tourists are dumb...and so are New Yorkers for not fleeing NYC. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

by Anonymousreply 110April 23, 2022 5:27 AM

As has been said before, Brits and Europeans really have no idea how dangerous American cities can be. It's not like American movies and tv shows. There is real danger, and they're oblivious to it.

by Anonymousreply 111April 23, 2022 5:28 AM

Is the prevailing proposal among posters on this thread to exterminate black people? I’m failing to understand the argument and pull it through to any sort of non-genocidal conclusion.

I’m honestly not trying to play the naïf, but what’s the end game if you think all black people are irredeemable menaces to American society?

by Anonymousreply 112April 23, 2022 5:32 AM

[quote]Fears surging crime in New York could ‘frighten away’ desperately needed tourists

Obvious thing is obvious. New York is far from the only one with this problem though, or even the worst. Sad though, it used to be much safer when I was there

Yet to see if Eric Adams will actually do anything, there's been some encouraging nioises but nothing of substance yet. We'll see

by Anonymousreply 113April 23, 2022 5:38 AM

“Escape from New York” is all coming true. I wonder if deplorables will shoot up the city for news and ratings. It’s a big target for terrorists.

by Anonymousreply 114April 23, 2022 5:45 AM

Deplorables aren't the problem in NYC you dumbass

by Anonymousreply 115April 23, 2022 5:51 AM

R104 and in the 70s were there so many drive-by shootings and criminals with Mercedes and BMWs on the street?

by Anonymousreply 116April 23, 2022 5:58 AM

No r116

by Anonymousreply 117April 23, 2022 6:00 AM

"Deplorables aren't the problem in NYC you dumbass"

What about Staten Island- isn't it basically West Virginia?

by Anonymousreply 118April 23, 2022 6:16 AM

All the shit is going down in Manhattan, Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn. Staten Island is pretty diverse now, actually. It's not the white trashville it once was.

by Anonymousreply 119April 23, 2022 6:39 AM

NYers don't really consider Staten Island part of the city. A huge number of NYers have never even been there.

by Anonymousreply 120April 23, 2022 6:40 AM

R4, R37, R75 are right. I live in Berlin and once chatted to a young American woman who lived in what had recently been in the news as a "problem neighborhood." We had a laugh about how tame the neighborhood is. As Americans, we know from bad neighborhoods.

by Anonymousreply 121April 23, 2022 7:08 AM

'unprovoked' is the key word of NYC assaults in 2021/2022

by Anonymousreply 122April 23, 2022 7:17 AM

I was thinking of California R65. Not Anchorage.

by Anonymousreply 123April 23, 2022 7:22 AM

Yes R122. Some people on here are trying to muddy the water by bringing in domestic violence and stuff between drug gangs that happens in red states. But what we are talking about here is the brutal, unprovoked attacks of NYC and California.

by Anonymousreply 124April 23, 2022 7:36 AM

R55 😁😊😂😍🤣

by Anonymousreply 125April 23, 2022 7:44 AM

R[108] what a couple of assholes!

by Anonymousreply 126April 23, 2022 11:46 AM

Bump.

by Anonymousreply 127April 23, 2022 12:31 PM

City streets don't have much pity...

by Anonymousreply 128April 23, 2022 12:33 PM

That awful tik tok poodle hair. It makes me want to punch him as well.

by Anonymousreply 129April 23, 2022 12:34 PM

He was on a very busy street in the west village at 3am. I don't know why people are saying it is so dangerous?

by Anonymousreply 130April 23, 2022 12:35 PM

[quote]But what we are talking about here is the brutal, unprovoked attacks of NYC and California.

Why not also talk about the brutal unprovoked attacks in Dallas and Tampa and Little Rock and Oklahoma City and Shreveport and Omaha? Violent crime is up more in those parts of the country, surely you must be terrified. Oh wait, Rupert Murdoch has no financial interest in reporting that to you.

by Anonymousreply 131April 23, 2022 12:52 PM

Those of you who fled… where did you go? Serious question. I’m going to have to stay in commuting distance because my job is in the city and I’m too old to leave a job this secure in terms of pay and insurance - but I would consider moving out of Manhattan when my lease is up next year.

by Anonymousreply 132April 23, 2022 1:02 PM

Crime has gotten worse, but it’s still not that bad. I’m more alert on the subway and I’ll consider the appropriate means of travel home after a late night (who am I kidding, that’s almost entirely theoretical these days), but the average person going about their business isn’t worried about their safety on the street. I live in a non-doorman building in a just OK Manhattan neighborhood and one of my neighbors doesn’t lock his door all the time (yes, that’s foolhardy and odd).

The really issue NYC is facing is whether or not people will come back to the office full time. Huge office buildings are still at least half empty every day. Long term, that is not sustainable but many people seem to be in denial about it. NYC is facing a financial crisis, not a crime crisis. But when the city goes broke, crime will get worse.

Nobody is refusing to return to the office because they are scared of crime. The exception was the short period after the recent shooting mass shooting before the guy had been apprehended. People who commute into midtown or downtown are absolutely not worried about their personal safety during their commute. And we all did it after 9/11 when we really were scared for our personal safety. People just don’t want to commute because it makes a long day ridiculously long and it’s unpleasant. Not unsafe.

by Anonymousreply 133April 23, 2022 1:06 PM

Perhaps they'll provide him with a barber while he's in the hospital.

by Anonymousreply 134April 23, 2022 1:14 PM

[quote] Why not also talk about the brutal unprovoked attacks in Dallas and Tampa and Little Rock and Oklahoma City and Shreveport and Omaha?

You do realize, R131, the majority of those cities you just named have Dem mayors. So you're not helping your case.

by Anonymousreply 135April 23, 2022 1:20 PM

Cities have dem mayors, cities have lots of people, lots of people commit more crimes than the relatively fewer denizens of [pick your tiny backwater swamp hicktown shithole] where there is a Republican mayor. Nevertheless, per capita crimes are higher in red states and in rural red shitfuck farm towns.

by Anonymousreply 136April 23, 2022 1:25 PM

Why isn’t Ron Desantis stopping crime in Tampa though? When will Greg Abbott (metaphorically) get off his ass and do something about crime in Dallas? Your GOP governors are soft on crime.

by Anonymousreply 137April 23, 2022 1:28 PM

People don’t want to go back to the office because they are lazy bastards. They have got used to working/skiving at home and of course they want that to continue. They should be given an ultimatum, get back to the office or look for another job.

by Anonymousreply 138April 23, 2022 1:30 PM

He’s British. Thus I can’t help but assume he was the aggressor here…..

by Anonymousreply 139April 23, 2022 1:32 PM

Your only (or first) post, r138?

by Anonymousreply 140April 23, 2022 1:44 PM

It's so weird listening to Republicans who live in a different universe than the real one.

They're CONVINCED that every American city is a burned-out Mad-Max-esque hellscape and nothing - NOTHING - can convince them otherwise.

I hope all those NYC-haters on here have a good life living in Jacksonville, FL or Birmingham, AL or New Orleans.

by Anonymousreply 141April 23, 2022 1:50 PM

Just like it lured away tourists during the crack epidemic.

Except it didn’t and crime is much lower than it was then, lol.

Stay home, deplorable pussies. We’ve got plenty of oligarch tourists spending money while visiting their real estate investments.

by Anonymousreply 142April 23, 2022 1:58 PM

Fuck off, R101. I never said mentally ill people deserve to be homeless. They should be in institutions. Tax-paying, law-abiding citizens should not have to be dodging piles of shit and needles in the streets. Civil liberties should not trump public health and safety. An how am I racist exactly? Blacks make up 14% of the population yet commit around 50% of the violent crimes. That's not being racist, that's just cold, hard, disproportionate facts.

by Anonymousreply 143April 23, 2022 1:59 PM

R132 you need to go to NJ. But do not move anywhere in Essex County or you will just have the same problems with crime. You've been warned. And avoid much of Hudson and Passaic County as well.

Your best bet is Bergen or the nicer parts of Union.

And of course you'll need a car if you don't have one already.

by Anonymousreply 144April 23, 2022 2:01 PM

Stay away from Hillside, Irvington and of course Newark!!!!

And while Elizabeth is now up and coming (hipsters), avoid if you don't like crime!

by Anonymousreply 145April 23, 2022 2:05 PM

[quote]Blacks make up 14% of the population yet commit around 50% of the violent crimes. That's not being racist, that's just cold, hard, disproportionate facts.

What's your solution, r143?

by Anonymousreply 146April 23, 2022 2:06 PM

NYC is over. You need to go to Idaho, stay as far away from other humans as possible. Get completely off the grid, because that’s how Melinda Gates and George Soros are going to attempt to control you. If you can, build yourself an underground steel bunker and live off the land. Stockpile weapons and iodine tablets and desiccated food packets.

And of course you'll need a car if you don't have one already.

by Anonymousreply 147April 23, 2022 2:07 PM

I'm not R143. But I can answer. There is no solution. Although people are loathe to admit that.

100 years from now our descendants will be going round and round dealing with the same problem. If there is still a world then.

by Anonymousreply 148April 23, 2022 2:08 PM

100 years? We’ll be lucky if the world exists 10 years from now the way petty larceny rates are going in the Bronx.

by Anonymousreply 149April 23, 2022 2:11 PM

Thank you, r148, but I'm waiting for r143's answer.

by Anonymousreply 150April 23, 2022 2:14 PM

Wingnuts have been screaming NYC is "over" for decades. Meanwhile, this has been the reality for decades. Call me when any city actually reaches HALF of NYC's population.

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by Anonymousreply 151April 23, 2022 2:26 PM

America only has one problem.

by Anonymousreply 152April 23, 2022 2:26 PM

Yes, and it's called r152.

by Anonymousreply 153April 23, 2022 3:09 PM

R144 where in Bergen and Union?

by Anonymousreply 154April 23, 2022 3:21 PM

R55- Diversity is overrated.

by Anonymousreply 155April 23, 2022 3:25 PM

R106- The photo in upper left- I want his ASS.

by Anonymousreply 156April 23, 2022 3:30 PM

R155 - you're not even rated.

by Anonymousreply 157April 23, 2022 3:31 PM

R103 so why are so many offices like mine still working from home? Mask mandates are being lifted, vaccine cards are no longer required in many venues nor is testing, No one I know wants to return to the office especially if they rely on the subway to get to Manhattan or to Midtown from other parts of the city.

by Anonymousreply 158April 23, 2022 3:37 PM

R158- My father would take the train to Grand Central then a subway shuttle to times square then another train to 34th street. Then he would reverse this in the evening- SO GRUELING 5 days a week- he did this commute to the office until he was 91 years old.

by Anonymousreply 159April 23, 2022 3:41 PM

People don’t want to go back to work which causes crime and homeless to increase. Doomsday situation.

by Anonymousreply 160April 23, 2022 3:42 PM

and not taking a subway is longer, more expensive, more complicated and more prone to traffic delays R159

by Anonymousreply 161April 23, 2022 3:44 PM

Doomsday? Get a grip, toots.

by Anonymousreply 162April 23, 2022 3:47 PM

My neighborhood is fine.

by Anonymousreply 163April 23, 2022 3:50 PM

R21 not concerned with when it was worse it's awfully dangerous now. Do you take comfort in the fact that more people died from the Black Plague than from COVID?

by Anonymousreply 164April 23, 2022 4:03 PM

R163 Me thinks think the lady doth protest too much ! Do you ever leave your neighborhood?

by Anonymousreply 165April 23, 2022 4:08 PM

so all the californians moved to texas and the texans moved to new york?

by Anonymousreply 166April 23, 2022 4:11 PM

not only is getting to work a danger but the work itself has become dangerous as 2 delivery drivers were robbed and assaulted this week and 4 food vendors on the UWS were robbed at gunpoint.

by Anonymousreply 167April 23, 2022 4:11 PM

NYC is like a beautiful woman.

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by Anonymousreply 168April 23, 2022 4:18 PM

R138 why when the work can still be done from home perhaps even more efficiently and businesses save money by not needing to lease all that office space.

by Anonymousreply 169April 23, 2022 4:22 PM

R146 maybe BLM should work with and in the black community for its betterment instead of buying multi-million dollar homes

by Anonymousreply 170April 23, 2022 4:30 PM

But per square mile R22 there is more crime in NYC

by Anonymousreply 171April 23, 2022 4:36 PM

Can you prove that story broken by...the NY Post, r170?

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by Anonymousreply 172April 23, 2022 4:40 PM

So, how has BLM helped the black community? R172

by Anonymousreply 173April 23, 2022 4:43 PM

R160 it's also the loss of revenue from commuters. Restaurants, coffee shops, parking lots/garages, the MTA . . .PJ Clarks on the Eastside used to have people spilling out onto 3rd Avenue from 3pm-3am most days and now closes at 10pm

by Anonymousreply 174April 23, 2022 4:47 PM

r173, I asked for r143's solution to their:

[quote]An how am I racist exactly? Blacks make up 14% of the population yet commit around 50% of the violent crimes. That's not being racist, that's just cold, hard, disproportionate facts.

I still haven't gotten an answer...just criticisms of BLM.

by Anonymousreply 175April 23, 2022 4:51 PM

so R175 how has BLM helped the black community?

by Anonymousreply 176April 23, 2022 4:53 PM

That doesn't answer my question, r176...and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 177April 23, 2022 4:54 PM

I love any thread about NYC because whatever your point of view, almost everybody loses their shit. It is HUGELY entertaining!

by Anonymousreply 178April 23, 2022 5:00 PM

Wasn't this guy previously beaten up on the streets? What precipitates these beatings? Does his Irish temper contribute?

by Anonymousreply 179April 23, 2022 5:02 PM

R177 what about my question?

by Anonymousreply 180April 23, 2022 5:02 PM

Oh, silly little r180. Stop projecting *your* diversion. You keep answering my question with a question. That's not only diverting...it's trolling. Your answer, I can only assume, is "I have no solution, I use specious "facts/sources" for my arguments and...I'm racist."

by Anonymousreply 181April 23, 2022 5:09 PM

R181 why so angry? Accepting the fact that BLM is not buying expensive property, what have they been doing? Seems uncomplicated. Perhaps there is no answer.

by Anonymousreply 182April 23, 2022 5:12 PM

[quote] so why are so many offices like mine still working from home?

Because people hate their fucking co-workers and all the bullshit that goes with them.

by Anonymousreply 183April 23, 2022 5:15 PM

R178 I think it's New Yorkers losing their shit. They can't accept that fact that it's becoming a shithole and look to other states or times in the past when it was supposedly worse. NY is no longer the gay mecca it once was and is not the center of art or fashion as it was in the past.

by Anonymousreply 184April 23, 2022 5:16 PM

Why in the world would you read my reply as angry, r182? Don't be silly.

[quote]Blacks make up 14% of the population yet commit around 50% of the violent crimes. That's not being racist, that's just cold, hard, disproportionate facts.

Assuming your numbers are accurate, what's your solution? That's the question.

by Anonymousreply 185April 23, 2022 5:16 PM

R185 it's your tone

by Anonymousreply 186April 23, 2022 5:18 PM

[quote]...and is not the center of art or fashion as it was in the past

What *is* the center?

by Anonymousreply 187April 23, 2022 5:18 PM

When it comes to crime it is increasing everywhere. It is true many red states have higher crime rates than blue states, but the difference is it is spread out across those red states so it is noticed less by the people living there. It is more noticeable in NYC, L.A., and other cities because it is more geographically concentrated. It is also true that the crime rate in NYC, nor nationally, is not as high now as it has been in the past, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that it is rising again. Most people don't remember the crime in the 1980s they became used to the low crime periods of the first two decades of this century.

by Anonymousreply 188April 23, 2022 5:20 PM

Of course it is, r186, of course it is.

by Anonymousreply 189April 23, 2022 5:20 PM

R187 media. THE WORLD IS A GLOBAL VILLAGE NOW MORE THAN EVER

by Anonymousreply 190April 23, 2022 5:21 PM

R189 you have me confused with someone else and still haven't answered MY regarding what BLM has done to improve or help the black community. You obviously don't have an answer and become involved in pointless ossification not unlike BLM itself

by Anonymousreply 191April 23, 2022 5:23 PM

^ OBFUSCATION

by Anonymousreply 192April 23, 2022 5:26 PM

NYC, LA and SF are no longer the Meccas for gay people as well as urbane people like they used to be because second-tier American cities are no longer the backwater shitholes they used to be. If you're gay you can have a same-sex partner and even get married anywhere in the US. You can have a lucrative professional job, shop at Trader Joe's and Whole Foods, live in a loft apartment or a fabulous condo, eat at upscale restaurants, do yoga and Pilates, and have all the other accoutrements of the lifestyle of the entitled white cunt you were born to be in Austin, Columbus, Fort Lauderdale, Portland, etc. etc. The world has changed so much, and it's no longer necessary to move to one of the three major liberal US cities to live the life you want.

by Anonymousreply 193April 23, 2022 5:27 PM

F193 I agree

by Anonymousreply 194April 23, 2022 5:43 PM

r194 lots of DLers are stuck in the past and just don't realize how radically things have changed. NYC is a great place, but the rest of the US has really caught up with lifestyle trends.

by Anonymousreply 195April 23, 2022 5:47 PM

I don’t know who he is, but he has a face I would never tire of slapping.

by Anonymousreply 196April 23, 2022 5:48 PM

[quote] An (sic) how am I racist exactly? Blacks make up 14% of the population yet commit around 50% of the violent crimes. That's not being racist, that's just cold, hard, disproportionate facts.

R143 you’re racist in that you’re not including the context that poverty has to play in this. People living in poverty commit more violent crime than those that don’t. It’s reality. For you to act like race is the significant factor and not allow for the role poverty has to play is….racist.

Also people suffering from mental illness should not necessarily be institutionalized, they should be able to access the care they need, whether that be in an institutional setting or not. You sound like a nightmare person.

by Anonymousreply 197April 23, 2022 6:05 PM

[quote]Also people suffering from mental illness should not necessarily be institutionalized, they should be able to access the care they need, whether that be in an institutional setting or not.

These batshit violent assholes roaming the streets are a threat to the public and need to be removed from society.

by Anonymousreply 198April 23, 2022 6:07 PM

If you're going to drag out statistics to attack black people, why not use them to attack peoplebased on gender....men make up 49% of the population but commit 90% of homicides

by Anonymousreply 199April 23, 2022 6:10 PM

R143, that is a fake statistic. For the majority of violent crimes in this country no one is arrested.

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by Anonymousreply 200April 23, 2022 6:11 PM

More than a tinge of blue-eyed/ Northern Soul

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by Anonymousreply 201April 23, 2022 6:35 PM

Live on James Corden

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by Anonymousreply 202April 23, 2022 6:40 PM

Sometimes it gets hot on stage

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by Anonymousreply 203April 23, 2022 6:46 PM

So...poor people who feel alienated from society are more likely to commit crimes? Color me shocked.

by Anonymousreply 204April 23, 2022 6:57 PM

R203 Eww, I can smell his funky armpits from here.

by Anonymousreply 205April 23, 2022 6:59 PM

I hate it when fears surge.

by Anonymousreply 206April 23, 2022 7:02 PM

R205 speak for yourself 😛😛

by Anonymousreply 207April 23, 2022 7:53 PM

R204, maybe they’re alienated from society because of a criminal attitude and fucked up sense of morality.

Blaming everybody else clearly isn’t working as major US cities are turning into third world shitholes.

by Anonymousreply 208April 23, 2022 7:57 PM

The stench of his Brit Smegma triggered the attackers.

by Anonymousreply 209April 23, 2022 8:17 PM

R147 between NYC and Idaho there's a whole wide diverse world; Why make everything one extreme or the other?

by Anonymousreply 210April 23, 2022 8:31 PM

As a flyover tourists that DL loves to hate, I traveled to NYC prior to Christmas. In the tourist zones, there was a heavy police presence and I didn't feel unsafe. But I wasn't out stumbling around at 3:00 AM either. But NYC at Christmas was a little sadder last year than I remember in previous years: shuttered Midtown restaurants, fewer people on the streets and it least it *appeared* that they were more homeless slumped up on the side of the street. At night, you could see apartment buildings with maybe 2-4 units that appeared occupied. And I didn't ride the subway - I walked or took cabs.

NYC is an amazing, energetic city but I do fear that if commuters & the revenue they bring don't return at least at some level, it's going to turn very ugly for the remaining population and more of the city turns into "no go" zones that even the cops abandon

by Anonymousreply 211April 23, 2022 8:36 PM

"a cop has quipped that “only Central Park squirrels are safe”.

That's a lie. The squirrels are not safe.

by Anonymousreply 212April 23, 2022 8:43 PM

Squirrels = Death

by Anonymousreply 213April 23, 2022 8:44 PM

R208 people are born into poverty, they’re not born as criminals. A person living in poverty is more likely to resort to criminal behaviour in later life. I’m guessing you’re not a fan of any anti-poverty reforms either such as universal minimum wage, reparations, free third level education, or a massive tax overhaul either are you? Because if you’re not, then it’s kinda dumb to get all hot and bothered about poverty related crime.

by Anonymousreply 214April 23, 2022 8:44 PM

r214 there are plenty of non-black poor people in the US but their communities don't have a fraction of the violence and criminal behavior.

by Anonymousreply 215April 23, 2022 8:47 PM

This is very sad

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by Anonymousreply 216April 23, 2022 9:13 PM

R181 What answer are you looking to be given? KILL OFF THE BLACKS SO THE REST OF US CAN LIVE IN PEACE? Is that it?

by Anonymousreply 217April 23, 2022 9:15 PM

R210 Because that's what extremists do. No surprise it happens a lot here on DL where many wish death on anyone who has a differing opinion about so much as a Golden Girls episode.

by Anonymousreply 218April 23, 2022 9:16 PM

The Bowery is a shithole now....same neighborhood that poor woman got knifed to death bu the lunatic that entered her house a couple of months ago.

by Anonymousreply 219April 23, 2022 9:37 PM

Stay below 96th and you will not be a victim of these attacks.

by Anonymousreply 220April 23, 2022 9:59 PM

Why don't Asian megacities have all these brutal crimes?

by Anonymousreply 221April 23, 2022 10:05 PM

[QUOTE] A person living in poverty is more likely to resort to criminal behaviour in later life.

I don't know if this is true.

by Anonymousreply 222April 23, 2022 10:06 PM

R220 idk if you're trolling but The Bower is way the hell down south of Manhattan island

by Anonymousreply 223April 23, 2022 10:09 PM

The Bowery is safe. That was a freak incident with that woman who was killed.

by Anonymousreply 224April 23, 2022 10:10 PM

Yeah south of 96th doesn’t seem to work anymore….

by Anonymousreply 225April 23, 2022 10:14 PM

R222 go look it up for yourself, it’s true.

by Anonymousreply 226April 23, 2022 10:15 PM

OK. So someone post of map of where is safe.

by Anonymousreply 227April 23, 2022 10:15 PM

Is it true though R226? There are a lot of poor people in the world and while they might do something like theft they don't usually resort to violent crime. That IS what we are talking about here, not pickpockets.

It is not poverty that causes this. It is people with poor impulse control who resort to violence to solve their perceived issues.

by Anonymousreply 228April 23, 2022 10:18 PM

R227, some place without people.

by Anonymousreply 229April 23, 2022 10:19 PM

So, r226, Trump and the Republicans grew up in poverty?

by Anonymousreply 230April 23, 2022 10:19 PM

If you want to see real poverty travel somewhere outside the US.

by Anonymousreply 231April 23, 2022 10:21 PM

[quote]Why don't Asian megacities have all these brutal crimes?

No blacks

by Anonymousreply 232April 23, 2022 10:24 PM

You fly your racist flag proudly, trixie.

by Anonymousreply 233April 23, 2022 10:28 PM

R233 But is Trixie wrong? No.

by Anonymousreply 234April 23, 2022 10:31 PM

Imagine American blacks doing all the shit they do in any other country. It would not be tolerated. They're lucky they're in America.

by Anonymousreply 235April 23, 2022 10:36 PM

R234, I think we know what Trixie would like.

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by Anonymousreply 236April 23, 2022 10:37 PM

I hate both sides of the race crime debate.

1. People arguing that "black" people commit more crime are wrong because what they're really saying that people with increased melanin commit more crime, which is equivalent to saying people with red hair commit more crime: interesting if true but functionally useless.

2. The other side, when it's not bending over backwards to defend a position they don't have to because race isn't real, calls everyone a racist and thinks criminals = innocent. God help us!!

Crime is not a "race" thing it's an economic thing, you know, economics, which actually exists (although ironically is a science of social constructs, which is what race is!).

by Anonymousreply 237April 23, 2022 10:45 PM

They are violent animals who destroy every neighborhood that is cursed with their presence.

by Anonymousreply 238April 23, 2022 10:48 PM

Tell that to the FBI, R237. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit 56% of the crimes in America.

by Anonymousreply 239April 23, 2022 10:49 PM

Just look at Africa. They're an inherently violent race, it's in their DNA.

by Anonymousreply 240April 23, 2022 10:52 PM

R224 major crime is surging in the East and West Villages The 6th precinct which patrols the West Village saw an 84% uptick in major crime rates from 20121 and the 9th precinct which serves the East Village, NoHo and the Bowery saw a 54% increase in robberies and violent attacks compared to the same period last year.

by Anonymousreply 241April 23, 2022 11:02 PM

trixie is the reason the word deplorable was invented.

by Anonymousreply 242April 23, 2022 11:02 PM

Trixie speaks the truth.

by Anonymousreply 243April 23, 2022 11:03 PM

[QUOTE] ] crime is not a "race" thing it's an economic thing, you know, economics, which actually exists

Uh huh. Then how do you explain someone shooting another because they were dissed? What does that have to do with economics?

by Anonymousreply 244April 23, 2022 11:24 PM

I am shocked that one of the tech oligarchs hasn't gone all Batman or Iron Man, in NYC or LA.

by Anonymousreply 245April 23, 2022 11:31 PM

Does anyone else find it kind of hilarious that native-born Americans twist themselves into knots trying to seem non-racist, and then you meet people from literally anywhere else -- China, India, Latin America, even African countries -- who emigrated here and they have absolutely no compunctions about making race-based judgements?

by Anonymousreply 246April 23, 2022 11:33 PM

Yes, R246 it does seem that white Americans do an elaborate dance around the issue. You may be onto something.

by Anonymousreply 247April 23, 2022 11:36 PM

Generalize much, r246?

by Anonymousreply 248April 23, 2022 11:36 PM

Either native-born Americans are just more enlightened than these recent arrivals, or Americans have been programmed with racial blind spots and filters while growing up here that these other folks do not have.

Only one or the other can be true.

by Anonymousreply 249April 23, 2022 11:40 PM

Capitalism creates extremes of wealth—-the more poor people you have, the more violence you get. You also get more illness than in socialist countries.

NYC, you made your bed…

by Anonymousreply 250April 23, 2022 11:44 PM

Well we can't all have a safety net like China does R250.

by Anonymousreply 251April 23, 2022 11:47 PM

What about St. Mark's Place? Is that safe?

by Anonymousreply 252April 23, 2022 11:49 PM

Hmm. Musician. Club. Bleecker Street. Le Poisson Rouge?

by Anonymousreply 253April 23, 2022 11:50 PM

[quote]crime is not a "race" thing it's an economic thing

No. It's a culture thing.

by Anonymousreply 254April 23, 2022 11:52 PM

No it is not, R252.

by Anonymousreply 255April 23, 2022 11:52 PM

It's a cultural thing, I agree, R254. And also they don't put up with this everywhere. What do you think will happen to you if you pull this shit in Saudi Arabia, China?

by Anonymousreply 256April 23, 2022 11:54 PM

That is true R256. Not every country coddles criminals like the US does.

by Anonymousreply 257April 23, 2022 11:55 PM

R228 yes it’s true. For the nth time. And I didn’t say every person, I said that a person experiencing poverty is more likely to. I’ll say it again, look it up x.

by Anonymousreply 258April 24, 2022 12:05 AM

Well I'm sorry but blaming these attacks on poverty just doesn't cut it for me.

by Anonymousreply 259April 24, 2022 12:06 AM

R257 mmmm doesn’t the US have one of the highest incarceration rates in the western world?

R259 this isn’t an opinion based situation tho sorry.

by Anonymousreply 260April 24, 2022 12:23 AM

R219-When I was a kid back in ca. 1977 the Bowery was a SHITHOLE except back then it was old WHITE bums who would come up to our car when we were at a traffic light to clean our windshield with a dirty rag so they could use the quarter they would earn to buy a cheap bottle of vodka.

by Anonymousreply 261April 24, 2022 12:28 AM

[quote]this isn’t an opinion based situation tho sorry.

Blaming it on poverty is also an opinion

by Anonymousreply 262April 24, 2022 12:28 AM

R260 = bernie sanders

by Anonymousreply 263April 24, 2022 12:30 AM

I think NYC isn't the problem, at least not the only problem. Road rage across the country has risen by 44% recently. There's videos of random citizens trying to run each other over and shoot each other over minor incidents. It's not happening in one place either, it's going on everywhere. Not sure if it's stress, coming out of covid, etc., But personally, I've been wondering if people became mentally ill, maybe from covid. It does cause brain decay in a significant % of people. Much like lead being linked to higher rates of violence.

I'm noticing a lot of anger simmering under the surface in people lately. Just a weird example -- took my partner in to see a new doctor. Holy shit were there so many weirdos. Crazy people in the waiting room, freaking out (at first, wrote that off as impatience), but then the nurse is going on and on about hating her coworkers and others.... Okay, so maybe coincidence... Doctor comes in and did 2 hours of angry sighs! Never seen anything like it. Just couldn't handle the computer annoyances, couldn't believe insurance wasn't popping up, etc. Guy was just pissed off at everything.

I have warned my loved ones to watch it out there. Don't get in any arguments and keep their heads down. People are running on a short fuse and sometimes becoming extremely violent.

by Anonymousreply 264April 24, 2022 12:33 AM

well road rage is caused by poverty too.

by Anonymousreply 265April 24, 2022 12:35 AM

Alok Vaid Menon lives in Manhattan, in a very"vibrant" area.

Dear Lord, watch over Them always and keep them safe.

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by Anonymousreply 266April 24, 2022 2:08 AM

[Quote] Well we can't all have a safety net like China does [R250].

How about just France or Sweden?

by Anonymousreply 267April 24, 2022 2:13 AM

[Quote] No. It's a culture thing.

Yes, the culture of poverty.

All around the world, it’s poor people who commit the most crimes. In the US, when new immigrants came and we’re stuck at the bottom of the totem pole, the most crimes were committed by them—Irish, Italians , etc.

You know when their cultures changes? When they entered the middle class

by Anonymousreply 268April 24, 2022 2:14 AM

It says he was attacked outside his NY show. A simple Google search indicates he played the Bowery Ballroom. And yes, that is below 96th St.

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by Anonymousreply 269April 24, 2022 3:20 AM

R264 "not the only problem"

Sure, there are lots of problems all over the world. If you want to visit NYC any time soon, though, maybe you ought to reschedule.

by Anonymousreply 270April 24, 2022 3:33 AM

I feel violated after looking at r266

by Anonymousreply 271April 24, 2022 4:42 AM

BLM=Buy Large Mansions 🤣😍😂😊😁

by Anonymousreply 272April 24, 2022 5:07 AM

Omg

by Anonymousreply 273April 24, 2022 5:26 AM

[quote] OK. So someone post of map of where is safe.

Sutton Place, no real violent crime. The majority of crimes committed in the area are thefts. Due to the proximity of the UN and the residence of the Secretary General of the United Nations, the area is well policed by both the NYPD and private security.

by Anonymousreply 274April 24, 2022 6:17 AM

[quote]You know when their cultures changes? When they entered the middle class

The path to becoming middle class is largely a straight and narrow path. If you want to become truly middle class then don't be lazy, don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, don't mug, don't slap, don't punch, don't shoot, don't stab, and don't let yourself become so inebriated you become another victim of our society's intolerance for failure.

by Anonymousreply 275April 24, 2022 6:55 AM

R259 but impoverished people may very well cut you 😍😂😊😁😛

by Anonymousreply 276April 24, 2022 7:09 AM

NYC needs another Rudy Giuliani, a man who would get crime off the streets and into the mayor's office.

by Anonymousreply 277April 24, 2022 7:15 AM

What--you mean the mugging of some "celebrity" (not) is going to scare away Ohio tourists who have tickets for "Wicked"?

Yet another tedious NYC bashing thread. Fuck off, MAGAt OP.

And what a fucking MARY R4 is!

by Anonymousreply 278April 24, 2022 7:15 AM

R274 Sutton Place is barely 5 full blocks, and some of the wealthiest mansions have a permanent police presence 24/7, right on their doorsteps, like in the example below on Google Maps. With very few restaurants and bars (the few they have are very expensive and mostly concentrated in a small outer portion of the area) so as not to attract any "undesirables".

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by Anonymousreply 279April 24, 2022 7:19 AM

R183 Moreover sleeping an hour later and getting dressed and having breakfast during what would be commute time is a big plus. In addition, you are saving money on food, parking, gas, tolls and mass transportation. There are no worries about traffic, accidents, delays and inclement weather. And even if you're not feeling 100%. you are in the comfort of your home and when work is over you are already home. No one is late, there's less stress and a big savings on time and money.

by Anonymousreply 280April 24, 2022 7:22 AM

R274 actually the Eastside east of Lex seems safe and has virtually no assaults or shootings.

by Anonymousreply 281April 24, 2022 7:26 AM

[quote]Capitalism creates extremes of wealth—-the more poor people you have, the more violence you get. You also get more illness than in socialist countries. NYC, you made your bed…

NYC has a whole lot less people. Lots moved out during the pandemic, lots died from Covid and lot's of people are being murdered.

by Anonymousreply 282April 24, 2022 7:28 AM

Zzzzzzzzzz.....

by Anonymousreply 283April 24, 2022 7:32 AM

"lot's of people"

Oh, dear, R282.

by Anonymousreply 284April 24, 2022 8:03 AM
by Anonymousreply 285April 24, 2022 9:41 AM

[QUOTE] Yes, the culture of poverty.

But they've made more money in the last two years than they've made in their LIVES.

by Anonymousreply 286April 24, 2022 11:31 AM

I think crime is likely to be bad wherever there is poverty and social alienation. Look at Rio. Look at any city on the African continent.

The reason it is so bad is America is a violent culture and the pathetic ease of access to guns (though wannabes in New York appear to be trying to enter via knives and machetes of late... so there's American ingenuity at work at least.)

There will always be a racial profile to it because in a majority of some size, some racial profile is going to be leading the pack.

So that it (appears) to be blacks in America seems to me neither here nor there.... that's a distinguishing feature but unrelated to the root causes. American blacks are not inherently more violent, they are inherently more alienated, excluded and poor, with all the parting gifts that provides.

You folks are always going to have it worse than a London or Paris or anywhere in the west because your poverty is more widely spread and entrenched and your social policy is more third world than first world.

by Anonymousreply 287April 24, 2022 12:12 PM

OK so now alienation is the cause of brutal, random attacks. Way to shift the goalpost.

by Anonymousreply 288April 24, 2022 12:43 PM

The person on here who keeps making excuses for these heinous crimes isn't getting many "likes".

by Anonymousreply 289April 24, 2022 12:44 PM

It's culture, not race, not poverty. If you systematically tell people that looting is okay, that theft is just you enacting your right to reparations and that even guns are part of the glorified thug life, that "sex work" is empowering, etc. etc.,... then that's what you get. The BLM website was a good mirror of this attitude at the beginning, before they toned it down. Marxist, with the aim of deconstructing society, it was advertised. It works.

by Anonymousreply 290April 24, 2022 12:51 PM

Yeah R290 and people were given generous stimulus payments, child tax care credits, and some people were able to stay rent free in their places for over a year. So clearly poverty isn't the issue.

by Anonymousreply 291April 24, 2022 12:53 PM

I wish the media would focus this issue on where it really resides, which is manhattan. My Queens neighborhood is chock a block with people, life, living, thrumming along, all apartments chock full of people living their lives to the absolute fullest, restaurants full, a feeling of safety everywhere and anywhere you go etc etc etc. It's like Manhattan except a shit fucking ton more people live here and it's so much safer.

by Anonymousreply 292April 24, 2022 12:55 PM

I live in the heart of Manhattan, R292, and I feel totally safe.

by Anonymousreply 293April 24, 2022 12:57 PM

Why anyone would want to live in NYC is beyond me. It’s dirty, congested, taken over by corporations, it’s overpriced, the people are ugly, you can’t drive a car, rats all over the place, and so on. Now they have woke politicians who are hands off on crime. You’re better off living somewhere with clean air and people who aren’t neurotic messes.

by Anonymousreply 294April 24, 2022 12:58 PM

I guess R292 missed this story.

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by Anonymousreply 295April 24, 2022 12:59 PM

[quote] I think crime is likely to be bad wherever there is poverty and social alienation. Look at Rio. Look at any city on the African continent. The reason it is so bad is America is a violent culture and the pathetic ease of access to guns (though wannabes in New York appear to be trying to enter via knives and machetes of late... so there's American ingenuity at work at least.)

Oh, god, you’re an idiot. Crime is skyrocketing thanks to the Left that is supporting, applauding and making excuses for this barbaric behavior. No one has to take any responsibility anymore. Everyone is a perpetual victim.

by Anonymousreply 296April 24, 2022 1:01 PM

[quote] [R208] people are born into poverty, they’re not born as criminals. A person living in poverty is more likely to resort to criminal behaviour in later life.

Oh, shut up, you far Left bleeding heart antisemetic cunt.

by Anonymousreply 297April 24, 2022 1:02 PM

The people in NYC are ugly, R294? Oh, my sides! I live in NYC and I have a car, I never see rats, and there's a beautiful park right next to my building. You're a fucking idiot. Sure glad you don't live here.

by Anonymousreply 298April 24, 2022 1:04 PM

the "poverty and alienation cause crime" person is trolling us. ignore.

by Anonymousreply 299April 24, 2022 1:04 PM

"antisemetic"

Oh, dear, R297.

by Anonymousreply 300April 24, 2022 1:05 PM

[quote]The people in NYC are ugly

Maybe not in oh so wonderful Manhattan, but out here in Queens (where a uuuuuge number of people live) there's a veritable shit ton of ugly people, so I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.

Whoever said above that you can't drive a car in New York has clearly not been here any long time because this city is the very definition of "car culture". There are millions of cars on the roads of New York; every street is packed with parked cars every street is packed with traffic, honking, etc.

I think one of the defining features of New York is that whatever extreme statement you can make about it, you can also reasonably claim that the complete total and polar opposite of that is also true.

by Anonymousreply 301April 24, 2022 1:18 PM

Whenever a friend of mine visits me in NYC, he always comments on how beautiful many New Yorkers are.

by Anonymousreply 302April 24, 2022 1:22 PM

R292 where in queens?

by Anonymousreply 303April 24, 2022 1:47 PM

[quote] You know when their cultures changes? When they entered the middle class

That doesn't explain the continued dominance of African-Americans in violent crime statistics. All black people are not poor, between 45-60% of them are classified as middle class, but middle class black people tend to live in the South. The violent crime problem, among black people, is the result of a small number of people in the black lower class, the majority of the black lower class are not criminals. Which is why it really isn't a racial thing, or even an economic one, it is an issue of the culture in the ghetto that captures people and will not let them escape, by concentrating poverty and leaving it to fester. The same is true for poor whites living in former mill villages across the South.

A great way to fix the problem of the ghettos is to not concentrate poverty in one place. Fuck NIMBY people and fuck the anti-gentrifiers, the poor need to be spread among the rest of society. We have to finally assimilate our native born poor fully into society, or they will destroy us. And, they should if we don't.

by Anonymousreply 304April 24, 2022 4:41 PM

Nyers are getting fatter (and uglier) by the moment.

"In New York City, obesity is epidemic. More than half of adult New Yorkers have overweight (34%) or obesity (22%). "

"New York's diabetes epidemic: ▫ Approximately 1,717,067 people in New York, or 10.7% of the adult population, have diagnosed diabetes."

I worked at clinics in Wash H and east Brooklyn and I treated a lot of fat people with diabetes. Not so many were lookers. Half of NYers are obese but for the sheltered NYer who never leaves Manhattan below 125th, and doesn't associate with non whites, he clearly does not see any of this.

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by Anonymousreply 305April 24, 2022 5:24 PM

R305

by Anonymousreply 306April 24, 2022 5:29 PM

The entire fucking country is obese, R305. Why are you singling out NYC?

by Anonymousreply 307April 24, 2022 5:32 PM

Because R307, one of your ilk appeared to think that there are no unattractive, fat people in NY! Pay attention to the thread! Now move along.

by Anonymousreply 308April 24, 2022 5:38 PM

Why do Blacks hate Asians so much?

by Anonymousreply 309April 24, 2022 7:42 PM

Because Asians are very successful and don't wallow in victimhood or demand tons of free handouts. Because they value education and hard work and behave in a civilized manner, and look down on violent, thuggish behavior.

by Anonymousreply 310April 24, 2022 7:53 PM

Subway assaults jumped by over 50% to highest total in 11 months which is why workers are not remotely interested in returning to the office

by Anonymousreply 311April 24, 2022 10:08 PM

[QUOTE] Fuck NIMBY people and fuck the anti-gentrifiers, the poor need to be spread among the rest of society.

That's never going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 312April 24, 2022 10:22 PM

R312 lives in a gated community. 🖕🤮💩🚽

by Anonymousreply 313April 25, 2022 1:43 AM

Oh do fuck off, R308, you tired gash. It was explicitly said that New Yorkers are, in particular, obese, as if the rest of the country is not. Do you need it read to you, stupid?

by Anonymousreply 314April 25, 2022 1:49 AM

R313 Doesn't own a home.

by Anonymousreply 315April 25, 2022 2:01 AM

[r309] Because nature is a cruel bitch and gives no fucks about justice and equality. Because nature has made blacks dumber and more violent and no amount of well intentioned prayer groups or social services will change that one utterly tragic fact.

by Anonymousreply 316April 25, 2022 10:48 PM

R313 no I don't live in a gated community I just accept reality.

by Anonymousreply 317April 25, 2022 11:12 PM

NY is safer than it's been since Giuliani, I think it will survive.

by Anonymousreply 318April 25, 2022 11:12 PM

A man was shot to death this afternoon at a Jamaica Queens subway station. let's see how this affects the whole let's get tourists back to NYC and workers back to the office thing.

Hint: it's not going to help.

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by Anonymousreply 319April 25, 2022 11:15 PM

tourists will scratch "jamaica queens" off their must visit list

by Anonymousreply 320April 25, 2022 11:18 PM

That Jamaica Queens train station is the first place tourists pass through when they get off the AirTrain from the airport.

by Anonymousreply 321April 25, 2022 11:27 PM

R293 rich cunts whose wealth is able to isolate them from the real world usually do feel that way, dear.

by Anonymousreply 322April 25, 2022 11:31 PM

R321 do you think tourists are gonna say “oh you know I think, THINK, that Jamaica Queens is the first place we’ll pass thru when we get the AirTrain from the airport, maybe we should change our trip?”?

by Anonymousreply 323April 25, 2022 11:36 PM

Personally I think most of them will take an Uber or Yellow Taxi to whereever they are going from the aiport, R323. Although some of the Euros who wear a backpack on the front of their body may take the train because it's cheaper.

by Anonymousreply 324April 25, 2022 11:43 PM

Okay, forget the tourists, this is yet more gun violence in the subway system that commuters depend upon. This is not a good look for New York.

by Anonymousreply 325April 25, 2022 11:57 PM

Umm R324 that wasn’t my point but ok lol. I was drawing attention to how silly your / R321’s suggestion was that a tourist would have any idea of which subway station they were going to pass thru on arrival from the airport, and that they would make the connection between this article about it, and therefore change their entire tourist plans.

by Anonymousreply 326April 26, 2022 12:02 AM

The know not to go above 96th.

by Anonymousreply 327April 26, 2022 1:11 AM

Brooklyn is the most dangerous borough now.

by Anonymousreply 328April 26, 2022 1:19 AM

r326 funny you should say that. I'm flying to New York in a week and was just researching how to get from LaGuardia to Manhattan. Seeing that article does give me pause. I'm going to Paris and thought I would stop in New York for a day and catch Patti Lupone in Company, but this thread is scaring me!!

by Anonymousreply 329April 26, 2022 1:41 AM

[quote]I'm going to Paris and thought I would stop in New York for a day and catch Patti Lupone in Company,

Jesus Christ that is one of the faggotiest things I've ever read.

by Anonymousreply 330April 26, 2022 1:43 AM

R329 It would be best if could get Ms. Lupone to chaperone you. Believe me, she will cut a bitch and she is always packing a switchblade.

by Anonymousreply 331April 26, 2022 1:44 AM

R329

Miss Thing please!

City is awash with tourists at the moment, and all seem to having a wonderful time.

Just came home via subway, and as have noticed for several weeks now tourists are everywhere, one cannot get away from them, at least on west side of Manhattan from Tribeca (9/11 museum) up to Times Square area and up to UWS.

by Anonymousreply 332April 26, 2022 1:54 AM

R329, why would you not just take a cab or a shuttle bus?

by Anonymousreply 333April 26, 2022 1:56 AM

R332 Sure, Jan

by Anonymousreply 334April 26, 2022 1:57 AM

R334

Don't bother with half of you idiots because know you don't live in NYC. Just another of a not small group who love to shit on NYC, but all the same cannot get enough of the place.

by Anonymousreply 335April 26, 2022 2:03 AM

Those saying NYC is perfectly safe are no different than sex traffickers luring innocent girls to their hells.

by Anonymousreply 336April 26, 2022 2:07 AM

Wow R329 I’m surprised you admitted to that, personally I’d be embarrassed to do so. Work on your fear and stay away from the NYPost x.

by Anonymousreply 337April 26, 2022 4:28 AM

Man stabbed eight times in broad daylight in Thompkins Square Park. It's not about The Post . . .

by Anonymousreply 338April 26, 2022 4:54 AM

it's happening below 96th Street. A man was slashed in the face and stomach on 47th and Second Ave

by Anonymousreply 339April 26, 2022 5:26 AM

Man was fatally shot on a Bronx street Saturday in a drive by shooting. Police are looking for a man in a black Mercedes

A woman was shot in the crossfire of 2 rival gangs Sunday

Man was fatally shot inside a Queens subway station Monday afternoon

by Anonymousreply 340April 26, 2022 5:36 AM

R329 that you'd risk your life to see Patti LuPone in what is basically a musical revue scares me!

by Anonymousreply 341April 26, 2022 6:20 AM

The mayor is certainly FULL of himself but does not seem to know how to run the city.

by Anonymousreply 342April 28, 2022 4:55 AM

man targets 8-year-old and elderly woman in unprovoked attack in the Flat Iron District

by Anonymousreply 343April 28, 2022 5:00 AM

those who think standing on Bleecker Street at 3am is the problem . . .^ it was 4:30 in the afternoon

by Anonymousreply 344April 28, 2022 5:26 AM

It isn't just New York city....

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by Anonymousreply 345May 1, 2022 5:47 AM

You all still trying with this dangerous NYC! line of bullshit?

Anyway, even if you believe the lie that violent crime in NYC is outta control, amazing how no one is calling the pro-police policies of the mayor an outright failure. Whereas when they spin the same lie about San Francisco, it's all about blaming the progressive DA.

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by Anonymousreply 346May 1, 2022 12:10 PM

Another day, same headline...

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by Anonymousreply 347May 1, 2022 5:12 PM

Man stabbed to death in Times Square Restaurant

Elderly man punched, knocked to the ground in unprovoked attack on subway Saturday afternoon

Food delivery man on a bicycle shot and killed in Forest Hills Queens by what may have been a stray bullet

by Anonymousreply 348May 1, 2022 5:29 PM

[quote]Anyway, even if you believe the lie that violent crime in NYC is outta control, amazing how no one is calling the pro-police policies of the mayor an outright failure. Whereas when they spin the same lie about San Francisco, it's all about blaming the progressive DA.

They have a super progressive DA in NYC. He wants to downgrade all crimes.

by Anonymousreply 349May 1, 2022 5:32 PM

Many of those headlines (Man stabbed to death in Times Square Restaurant) would have made national news in the 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 350May 1, 2022 6:26 PM

R349 And yet the murder rate lags way behind the most dangerous city Memphis, its conservative "tough on crime" DA.

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by Anonymousreply 351May 1, 2022 6:41 PM

^ with its conservative "tough on crime" ADA.

by Anonymousreply 352May 1, 2022 6:41 PM

[quote] amazing how no one is calling the pro-police policies of the mayor an outright failure.

I think people are still giving Mayor Adams the benefit of the doubt to see how he does. He's still fairly new. But if crime doesn't decrease by next year, then he'll be held accountable.

by Anonymousreply 353May 1, 2022 7:05 PM

Memphis is violent due to population demographics. Neither a tough on crime head cop or a progressive one would make any difference in a city with such demographics.

by Anonymousreply 354May 1, 2022 7:17 PM

[quote]And yet the murder rate lags way behind the most dangerous city Memphis, its conservative "tough on crime" DA.

WHO FUCKING CARES? Just because other cities have a higher murder rate it means we shouldn't care that people are getting murdered in fucking MIDTOWN MANHATTAN? God, people like you are total dipshits.

by Anonymousreply 355May 1, 2022 7:18 PM

I don't work in Memphis but the office I do work in is in Manhattan and returned to remote Dec. 2021 originally due to Omicron but now . . .no one who takes mass trans wants to go back. Safer than is not safe enough

by Anonymousreply 356May 1, 2022 7:30 PM

You cant hide behind a murder rate...safety and security is about more than that. I would look at assaults compared to what they were 4/5/6 years ago in the city.

by Anonymousreply 357May 1, 2022 7:34 PM

[quote]City is awash with tourists at the moment, and all seem to having a wonderful time.

Yes, exactly like how most animals in herds crossing crocodile infested waters will survive. However, it's not so great for those who don't. New Yorkers consider this to be just the natural order of things.

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by Anonymousreply 358May 1, 2022 9:11 PM

See New York and die. Lol

by Anonymousreply 359May 1, 2022 9:33 PM

A delivery guy was shot and killed last night in my New York City neighborhood last night. This city is, from a purely objective standpoint, becoming much more dangerous. Now I have to worry about getting shot when I walk outside my formerly safe neighborhood, like this poor delivery guy?! Un fucking real. I'll bet whoever did this came from one of the shitty nearby neighborhoods like Jamaica or East New York, or from that cesspool known as the Bronx - most definitely NOT from Manhattan, because anyone who lives there think they're too good for Queens LOL.

Fuck you simpering Manhattan cunts (and I know that's where you all live) who feel the need to defend this city no matter what. I was born and raised in NYC, and I cannot wait to get the hell out. I want to go somewhere where cops CRACK SKULLS and protect taxpayers like me who obey the law to the letter.

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by Anonymousreply 360May 1, 2022 9:35 PM

Jesus Christ, this motherfucker brutally beat the shit out of a 53 year old and he's out on BAIL?? He should be executed! Fuck you, New York City....I'm getting the fuck outta here.

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by Anonymousreply 361May 1, 2022 9:40 PM

R354 your very polite racism is duly noted. But it doesn't make you any better that the rabid frothmouth at R355.

by Anonymousreply 362May 1, 2022 9:41 PM

R361 How about we just make a reform that says if you are accused of a violent crime that results in death or hospitalization, you will be denied any type of bail on the premise that you are a danger to the community. That way rich or poor it doesn't matter, you are kept in jail until your trial.

by Anonymousreply 363May 1, 2022 9:48 PM

r363, that sounds like a start. And then if convicted....execution. If someone ever beat me or my partner like this, our lives would be irrevocably destroyed, as we're not physically strong enough to withstand something like this.

by Anonymousreply 364May 1, 2022 9:51 PM

r362 go ahead and tell us about the crime rates in red states and how we shouldn't pay attention to the crime in NYC at all.

by Anonymousreply 365May 1, 2022 10:41 PM

R362 or tell us about how much worse it supposedly was in the 70s so we can feel good about the stray bullets, subway assaults, stabbings, vehicular homicides and robberies.

by Anonymousreply 366May 1, 2022 10:43 PM

The difference between the 70s and now is that everybody today has a fucking gun.

by Anonymousreply 367May 1, 2022 10:52 PM

R363, great way to cause overcrowding in the prison system. Which will lead to violent offenders being let out due to overcrowding

by Anonymousreply 368May 1, 2022 10:57 PM

Anyone who links to the New York Post should be locked up. Problem solved

by Anonymousreply 369May 1, 2022 10:59 PM

The NY Post is like crack, NYers are addicted to it no matter their political views.

by Anonymousreply 370May 1, 2022 10:59 PM

R367 and a car for drive-by shootings

by Anonymousreply 371May 1, 2022 11:00 PM

I grew up in NYC but moved out West in 2005. This thread is very worrying as I have family and friends who still live there.

by Anonymousreply 372May 1, 2022 11:00 PM

The NYPost is actually doing its job.

The NYTimes rarely touches these stories.

by Anonymousreply 373May 1, 2022 11:01 PM

R372, you should be more worried about people living outside of New York

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by Anonymousreply 374May 1, 2022 11:01 PM

R373 thinks the Post is a paragon of good journalism. LOL

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by Anonymousreply 375May 1, 2022 11:03 PM

R373 would rather rely on anecdotes than statistics

NY had more homicides in the 90s when Giuliani was in charge

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by Anonymousreply 376May 1, 2022 11:06 PM

that was then this is now R376 and it's still very unsafe

by Anonymousreply 377May 1, 2022 11:09 PM

R375 is so utterly stupid he actually believes the NYTPost makes up those crime stories it is reporting about.

by Anonymousreply 378May 1, 2022 11:13 PM

R376 That excuse is not working.

Guess what? A lot of things were worse 30 years ago.

So?

by Anonymousreply 379May 1, 2022 11:15 PM

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by Anonymousreply 380May 1, 2022 11:19 PM

R374 A place like St Louis is an insignificant city compared to NYC with it's tourism and role as a premier business hub.

by Anonymousreply 381May 1, 2022 11:19 PM

Gee, maybe the reason NYC is a tourist hub is because it's actually a great city

by Anonymousreply 382May 1, 2022 11:21 PM

R378 is so dumb he can't tell the difference between statistics and anecdotes. He also gets his "news" from a right-wing propaganda paper

by Anonymousreply 383May 1, 2022 11:22 PM

Weird, it's like NYC isn't as violent as the DL freeper trolls make it out to be

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by Anonymousreply 384May 1, 2022 11:23 PM

(Crap, my post at R380 got completely messed up.)

R365 keeps skipping over the obvious question of why the media and trolls are obsessed with NYC when so many places are far worse. Of course R365 was screaming about Chicago when Obama was president so we wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway.

NYPD went $77 million over budget for overtime last year, the 2022 budget is a 50% increase over the Covid cuts, and the mayor keeps giving them fun non-crime related work like destroying homeless people's belongings, so the police should be quite thrilled to be out there catching criminals. Oh, wait....

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by Anonymousreply 385May 1, 2022 11:24 PM

R381 posts zero evidence there's any crime-related impact on either tourism or business in NYC.

Because it doesn't exist.

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by Anonymousreply 386May 1, 2022 11:26 PM

I've been in NYC since the 90s and I've never seen it like this.

by Anonymousreply 387May 1, 2022 11:55 PM

R374 s theme song is OVER THERE!

by Anonymousreply 388May 1, 2022 11:56 PM

the fatal stabbing of a man in Times Square Saturday was the second stabbing in Times Square in 24 hours

by Anonymousreply 389May 2, 2022 1:50 AM

It’s scaring the Chinese tourists away.

by Anonymousreply 390May 2, 2022 2:42 AM

bahahahahahahaha

#defundthepolice #demoNcratparadise

y'all get the world you deserve. 🤡🤪😁

by Anonymousreply 391May 2, 2022 3:24 AM

The mayor and Manhattan DA are totally useless.

by Anonymousreply 392May 2, 2022 12:31 PM

....Just another version of DeBlasio...

by Anonymousreply 393May 2, 2022 12:32 PM

R387, yes the 90s were much worse.

You trolls keep giving yourself away. No one who was in NYC during the 80s, 90s, or 9/11 and the aftermath would be spewing this bullshit about it being a hellscape now.

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by Anonymousreply 394May 2, 2022 1:44 PM

[quote]No one who was in NYC during the 80s, 90s, or 9/11 and the aftermath would the aftermath would be spewing this bullshit about it being a hellscape now.

Sorry you're old. I don't care about NYC 40 years ago. I care about how it feels NOW compared to 2 years ago, 5 years ago. And yes, it feels unsafe. And YES, I live in NY, I was born and raised in NY. Crime is up and people I know in NY aren't defensive about admitting it's a problem.

by Anonymousreply 395May 2, 2022 1:48 PM

Also, your chart only shows up to 2018. We all know crime starting going up during the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 396May 2, 2022 1:49 PM

A tourist was just stabbed to death in Dave & Busters, in the Heart of times square.

by Anonymousreply 397May 2, 2022 1:52 PM

[quote] I live in NYC and I have a car, I never see rats, and there's a beautiful park right next to my building.

I have a small Holiday apartment on W 75th and agree. But in all my years, I have never known anyone with a car in NYC. I would be scared half to death to ever drive in NYC!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 398May 2, 2022 1:53 PM

Holiday apartment?

by Anonymousreply 399May 2, 2022 1:58 PM

R61: Poors in conservative states often live in shacks, tents, and shanty towns. Many of the poorest inherited trailers or homes so they can can protest handouts while getting their meth-laced coping meds. It’s sad how much of that legitimate information about how crappy Republican states doesn’t get out. If you do a drivethru rather than fight battles from your keyboard, this stuff is pretty obvious. Hence people born in those states with ambition move AWAY from their shitty conservative states to find a better place rather than the reverse.

by Anonymousreply 400May 2, 2022 2:11 PM

[quote] I would be scared half to death to ever drive in NYC!!!!!

I've done it many times. I always tell people it really isn't as bad as you would think it is.

by Anonymousreply 401May 2, 2022 2:15 PM

R362 And your wokism/political elitism is driving blacks from voting for Democrats. They are the primary victims in cities like Memphis and the democratic government there and in all major cities have done nothing to improve quality of life.

Facts are facts, friend. So in your woke mind, what is responsible for the very high rate of violence in Memphis?

Don't bother with your woke "facts" like racism, slavery, etc.

People are dying and cities need to be safe. End stop. Your wokism won't make an iota of difference. I bet you voted for and supported William Warren Wilhelm Jr. and his grifting, thieving wife.

Your views and wokism are already outdated.

by Anonymousreply 402May 2, 2022 2:19 PM

R395, tell it to all the trolls who claim to be NYers since the 90s and earlier. And the Covid uptick in crime brought it back all the way up to... 2018 levels. So you're still full of shit no matter how young you're pretending to be.

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by Anonymousreply 403May 2, 2022 2:57 PM

[quote]tell it to all the trolls who claim to be NYers since the 90s and earlier.

That's totally believable on DL. Remember this forum skews older.

by Anonymousreply 404May 2, 2022 2:58 PM

What is that split in the sky in the image in R403's link?

by Anonymousreply 405May 2, 2022 2:59 PM

r403 crime is worse now, or so it seems. I can't believe how bad it's gotten.

by Anonymousreply 406May 2, 2022 3:00 PM

R404 I'm talking about the trolls who claims to be NYers and then post absolute horseshit about NYC that parrot wingnuts who've never been here.

Speaking of facts. R402:

[quote]And your wokism/political elitism is driving blacks from voting for Democrats.

That's been the deplorable spin for at least a couple decades now, of course the numbers always prove otherwise.

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by Anonymousreply 407May 2, 2022 3:06 PM

R406, you'll believe anything a Murdoch publication tells you about NYC because your racist ass has never set foot here.

by Anonymousreply 408May 2, 2022 3:09 PM

LOL r408. No, that's not true at all. I'm sitting in the living room of my apartment off of Lex right now.

by Anonymousreply 409May 2, 2022 3:12 PM

^ Sure you are. And with your paralyzing fear of Blacks and crazy people wandering around, you just never venture outside.

by Anonymousreply 410May 2, 2022 3:16 PM

Perhaps R409 is Asian American and has every right to want to stay safe, as Asians are being hunted and attacked with great aplomb by another group here in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 411May 2, 2022 3:25 PM

Another Asian killed by a yet another member of that group that dislikes Asians.

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by Anonymousreply 412May 2, 2022 3:31 PM

If NYC is incapable of keeping its citizens and tourists safe, it deserves to die, economically or otherwise, the good law abiding people are paying the ultimate price for the criminal deviants who do not care if they run the city into the ground. The overseers of the caged city need to make things happen for the better, otherwise it will indeed become an "Escape from New York" reality where the lunatic criminals control everything...Sad. :-/

by Anonymousreply 413May 2, 2022 3:31 PM

R403, for shit's sake, you are on a gay men's forum, which skews old, and which teems with both ancient and current Broadway insider gossip.

You honestly believe there are no long-time or native New Yorkers here? Get the fuck over yourself.

This "oh, I'm the only Real New Yorker around!" schtick impresses the folks back home in Flyoverstan, but no actual New Yorker gives a shit about your "cred." Save it for your easily-awed red state cousins.

by Anonymousreply 414May 2, 2022 3:31 PM

[quote]You honestly believe there are no long-time or native New Yorkers here?

Never said that, R414. Do try some reading comprehension before you pop off.

R411, I know you're gunning for another racist narrative, but the vast majority of anti-Asian hate crime perpetrators have been white. And in NYC the NYPD has completely dropped the ball in classifying these assaults as hate crimes. So again, take it up with the well-funded, bloated NYPD and their pro-police mayor.

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by Anonymousreply 415May 2, 2022 3:38 PM

[quote] Sure you are. And with your paralyzing fear of Blacks and crazy people wandering around, you just never venture outside.

Nope. Wrong again. I've been in this apartment since 2011 and talking about crime in NYC does not make one "racist." I've been here since '94 when I went to Columbia and have lived both here and in my native CT ever since. There has definitely been an increase in crime and general fuckery, you would actually have to be a recluse not to notice it. The UES is not as bad as other areas but Midtown and the UWS are not like they were just a few years ago.

What can be expected, though? This city is ridiculously expensive and in the US we have very little in the way of mental health care. Certainly no publicly funded mental health care because Americans are allergic to paying taxes to benefit the greater society. It's just going to get worse, I'm afraid, until we have a complete restructuring of society which may not happen for a long while.

by Anonymousreply 416May 2, 2022 3:44 PM

[quote] but the vast majority of anti-Asian hate crime perpetrators have been white.

Not in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 417May 2, 2022 3:45 PM

The troll here (is he the one with the balcony?) is so insecure and defensive about NYC. Sure it does have its benefits but there is a societal breakdown going on and as usual NYC is right in the center of national trends, as it always has been. There's a lot to bitch and complain about in this city, but these people who are willfully ignorant and believe NY is the greatest city in the world (it isn't, that would be Paris) and get apoplectic when people point out very real problems about living here are so very tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 418May 2, 2022 3:48 PM

R416 stop pretending we can't see your other posts. Talking about crime isn't racist, but the way you talk about it is.

R417 how do you know when NYPD is dropping the ball and not classifying them as bias crimes?

by Anonymousreply 419May 2, 2022 3:50 PM

r419 telling the truth about demographics isn't "racist." But keep grasping at straws. You should probably just give up now because you have been totally rebutted by myself and other posters. Keep clinging to your fantasies as a miserable, insecure person though. What a delight you are. Oh, and enjoy your balcony!

by Anonymousreply 420May 2, 2022 3:54 PM

[quote][R419] telling the truth about demographics isn't "racist."

Hard to imagine why r419 thinks you're racist. Here are some of r420's "truths" from this thread:

[quote]They have no idea how feral and violent American blacks are.

[quote]Blacks blacks blacks blacks blacks.

[quote]there are plenty of non-black poor people in the US but their communities don't have a fraction of the violence and criminal behavior.

[quote]Imagine American blacks doing all the shit they do in any other country. It would not be tolerated. They're lucky they're in America.

[quote]They are violent animals who destroy every neighborhood that is cursed with their presence.

[quote]Just look at Africa. They're an inherently violent race, it's in their DNA.

by Anonymousreply 421May 2, 2022 4:09 PM

R420 you haven't rebutted anything. When confronted with actual facts and stats, you just keep repeating your feels. No one gives a shit about your racist fake ass deplorable spin disguised as feelings.

by Anonymousreply 422May 2, 2022 4:23 PM

r420 is "trixie", r422. She's *all* over this thread spewing racist shit.

by Anonymousreply 423May 2, 2022 4:30 PM

NY's surging crime rate in the first months of 2022 fueled by repeat offenders

by Anonymousreply 424May 2, 2022 4:56 PM

Oh wow there are people who actually think whites are responsible for most of the crime in NYC? I want to know what alternate world they're all living in.

by Anonymousreply 425May 2, 2022 5:55 PM

[quote] you haven't rebutted anything. When confronted with actual facts and stats, you just keep repeating your feels. No one gives a shit about your racist fake ass deplorable spin disguised as feelings.

Sorry, but your bullshit narrative doesn't change actual facts, as others have pointed out to your ridiculous ass.

by Anonymousreply 426May 2, 2022 5:56 PM

Hopefully one day soon one of the pieces of rough trade r422 picks up at the Townhouse will throw her off of her balcony. It would really be a public service for the city.

by Anonymousreply 427May 2, 2022 6:02 PM

The poor delivery man was killed over dispute about duck sauce, coupled with intense animosity towards Asians. Funny how a certain group of people love their Chinese food, but hate and kill the people that feed them!

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by Anonymousreply 428May 2, 2022 6:56 PM

And in SF a teen runaway knocked out by heroin/fentanyl was raped in broad daylight prior to dying of an overdose.

The world we live in.

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by Anonymousreply 429May 2, 2022 7:46 PM

Eric Adams campaigned as a tough-on-crime candidate. And because of that, New Yorkers voted for him.

Obviously they're concerned about rising crime.

by Anonymousreply 430May 2, 2022 7:58 PM

11 shooting incidents and 12 victims in weekend violence in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 431May 2, 2022 9:50 PM

Man in Weehawken (aka brandon joseph/Former New Yorker/FNY/r431) ups his obsessive hate of NYC by posting the exact same post in any thread that refers to New York.

by Anonymousreply 432May 2, 2022 10:07 PM

New York the city that never sleeps. How can it with the constant gunfire?

by Anonymousreply 433May 2, 2022 10:40 PM

NYPD to deploy more night patrols Monday, one day after 8 are shot in NYC

by Anonymousreply 434May 2, 2022 10:53 PM

NYC, listed in this Forbes article from February as actually the 11th safest city in the country.

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by Anonymousreply 435May 3, 2022 1:10 PM

[quote] And in SF a teen runaway knocked out by heroin/fentanyl was raped in broad daylight prior to dying of an overdose. The world we live in.

That’s the world that San Franciscans and New Yorkers live in. Things like this don’t happen in most of the country.

by Anonymousreply 436May 3, 2022 1:22 PM

[quote] I want to go somewhere where cops CRACK SKULLS and protect taxpayers like me who obey the law to the letter.

Yes, please go to China

by Anonymousreply 437May 3, 2022 1:24 PM

Excuse me, R436? I refer you to what you conveniently ignore right above you, that says NYC is the 11th safest city in the country. Something you choose to ignore because you're a liar.

by Anonymousreply 438May 3, 2022 1:25 PM

[quote] And in SF a teen runaway knocked out by heroin/fentanyl was raped in broad daylight prior to dying of an overdose. The world we live in.

Which is exactly why we need to open more safe drug use facilities--indoors, away from the public, to increase safety so drug addicts don't overdose.

You're not going to stop addiction by just shaming drug users

by Anonymousreply 439May 3, 2022 1:26 PM

[quote] 11 shooting incidents and 12 victims in weekend violence in NYC.

9 million NYers

by Anonymousreply 440May 3, 2022 1:26 PM

When the economy gets better, crime gets better.

When everyone has a good job, crime gets better.

When there isn't such a huge difference in wealth between rich and poor, crime gets better.

EVERY TIME

by Anonymousreply 441May 3, 2022 1:28 PM

That's right, R440--in fact, the biggest city in the country. But 11 shooting incidents--OH, NO!!! Can you believe these hypocrites? Btw, NYC is the 11th safest city in the country.

by Anonymousreply 442May 3, 2022 1:28 PM

[quote] The poor delivery man was killed over dispute about duck sauce, coupled with intense animosity towards Asians. Funny how a certain group of people love their Chinese food, but hate and kill the people that feed them!

Poor people?

People with guns?

People with mental issues?

by Anonymousreply 443May 3, 2022 1:29 PM

[quote] They have no idea how feral and violent American blacks are.

How many blacks invaded the Capitol on Jan 6, killing 5 and insuring over 100?

by Anonymousreply 444May 3, 2022 1:30 PM

Sounds gruesome..

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by Anonymousreply 445May 3, 2022 1:34 PM

NYC? Crime? you GOT to be kidding me, what? people paying retail?

by Anonymousreply 446May 3, 2022 1:35 PM

Judging by the crowds outside the FRIENDS APARTMENT BUILDING, tourists are back.

by Anonymousreply 447May 3, 2022 2:01 PM

[quote] tourists are back.

Tourist believe, erroneously, that if there is a danger, they would be warned not to come. That’s never going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 448May 3, 2022 2:47 PM

Tons of tourists even came in the 70's when, in fact, crime WAS crazy in NYC

by Anonymousreply 449May 3, 2022 3:43 PM

I'm not sure what the Nazi Grannies on the DL get out of constantly wetting their diapers over crime in NYC.

Let's assume everything they say is true - NYC is an irredeemable cesspool filled with Jews, homosexuals, communists and liberals beset by crime, vice and Antifa.

OK. So? Don't come. Stay in Sandusky. Fuck the fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 450May 3, 2022 3:54 PM

R442 but how safe is safer than?

by Anonymousreply 451May 3, 2022 4:29 PM

R450 people's choices are not limited like your purview to NYC or Sandusky

by Anonymousreply 452May 3, 2022 5:23 PM

[quote]How many blacks invaded the Capitol on Jan 6, killing 5 and insuring over 100?

No you are wrong.

The only person killed at the Capitol on January 6th was killed by a black man.

by Anonymousreply 453May 3, 2022 7:22 PM

^ Link?

by Anonymousreply 454May 3, 2022 7:24 PM

I doubt there were "tons" of tourists visiting NYC in the 70s - airline fares were very high then. Most people could not afford to fly, especially from Europe or China. I remember taking my first transatlantic flight in 1982. It cost 3 X what I now pay on Norwegian, etc.

by Anonymousreply 455May 3, 2022 8:12 PM

R453, a black police officer shot one of the rioters who was about to break into the House chamber. She was shot once in her left shoulder and died. Another woman, a Trump supporter, died as a result of the crowd crushing that occurred in the riot. But there was not mass shooting of the rioters by police, even though death threats had been numerous online before the rioters broke in, and they were attempting a coup d’etat.

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by Anonymousreply 456May 4, 2022 12:46 AM

We will never forget the Jan 6 massacre.

by Anonymousreply 457May 4, 2022 12:53 AM

R456 I responded to the comment: "How many blacks invaded the Capitol on Jan 6, killing 5 and insuring over 100?"

The facts are following: The ONLY person killed at the Capitol on Jan. 6th was killed by a black man (the police officer).

As you noted: there was a woman trampled in an accident but she was not "killed".

by Anonymousreply 458May 4, 2022 12:54 AM

Several of the people involved in the riot were armed with guns. The riot was turned back by police, obviously. If the police hadn’t intervened it’s hard to say what would have happened.

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by Anonymousreply 459May 4, 2022 12:58 AM

R459 Yes, we could speculate for days about what could have happened. But that does not change what I wrote at R458.

by Anonymousreply 460May 4, 2022 1:07 AM

R460, take a pill, dear. STFU.

by Anonymousreply 461May 4, 2022 1:14 AM

[quote] Several of the people involved in the riot were armed with guns.

A lot of people in the country carry firearms, so that might be normal.

by Anonymousreply 462May 4, 2022 2:14 AM

R462 Especially in Washington DC: 227 homicides in 2021.

by Anonymousreply 463May 4, 2022 2:29 AM

Back to the topic of the thread: I know the stats tell me otherwise, but the city feels far more dangerous than it has in the twenty years I’ve lived here. For me it’s that the people on the street, on the subway, etc. just feel much more aggressive than they used to. I’ve had a handful of incidents in recent weeks where a mentally ill person lunged at me or berated me or otherwise tried to intimidate. That didn’t used to be the case.

by Anonymousreply 464May 4, 2022 3:01 AM

Gunplay in NYC is nearly twice pre pandemic levels. More shooting victims than ever it seems.

by Anonymousreply 465May 4, 2022 3:18 AM

Man hit with bottle, pushed down stairs, robbed while waiting for C train in Harlem

by Anonymousreply 466May 4, 2022 4:19 AM

Group robs, beats man in Midtown Manhattan over a dozen sought.

by Anonymousreply 467May 4, 2022 4:26 AM

R464 we're in year 3 of a worldwide pandemic that was so heavily politicized that an entire political party oh-welled the deaths of millions. We still have not come to terms with the effects of any of it. If people "feel" more aggressive to you, that may have something to do with it. And it's not unique to New York City. There are places all over flyoverfuckistan where people have lunged and gotten aggressive when asked to put on a fucking mask.

by Anonymousreply 468May 4, 2022 4:29 AM

Totally agree R468. This uptick in violence is not happening in a vacuum and is not exclusive to New York.

by Anonymousreply 469May 4, 2022 5:21 AM

[quote] As you noted: there was a woman trampled in an accident but she was not "killed".

Someone who is trampled, IS killed.

Three others died as a result of the insurrection and 100 more injured.

by Anonymousreply 470May 4, 2022 2:04 PM

The whites at Jan 6 were just peaceful tourists....

by Anonymousreply 471May 4, 2022 2:06 PM

[quote] They have no idea how feral and violent American blacks are.

Vlad has chimed in with his "stark racism will divide americans" post.

by Anonymousreply 472May 4, 2022 2:06 PM

R468 R469 The OP made it about New York and NY has the most to lose as tourists are not returning nor are office workers and many businesses still have For Lease signs

by Anonymousreply 473May 4, 2022 8:18 PM

As has been pointed out several times, NYC tourism has thrived even during significantly higher rates of violent crime, and there’s no sign it’s in any danger now.

I get that trolls will troll, but this repetition of nonsense is not working.

by Anonymousreply 474May 4, 2022 9:18 PM

take a look at the Times Square live cam and you'll see far fewer people in an area that was always very crowded. The difference is very noticeable to those who like me work in NY though I've been remote since Dec. 2021.

by Anonymousreply 475May 4, 2022 11:31 PM

When has NYC tourism thrived when there was high crime? Tourism has been fueled by the Chinese over the past 2 decades, as well as Europeans. I already pointed out the before the mid 90s, airfare across the pond was very expensive and few could afford it. And China did not have a sizable middle class until late 90s.

So let me know what years you thing tourism thrived prior to 2000?

by Anonymousreply 476May 4, 2022 11:33 PM

Adams' honeymoon is over, and the majority of New Yorkers disapprove of the pedicured Mayor's handling of crime

Subway conductor sick of the attacks on riders and transit workers and confronted the MTA CEO and referring to the subway as 'a haven for criminals'

by Anonymousreply 477May 5, 2022 12:55 AM

Crime rages on in broad daylight; a sledgehammer-wielding robber busts NYC store window and gets away with $20K in jewelry

Woman shot dead in broad daylight in Queens

by Anonymousreply 478May 5, 2022 12:59 AM

A black girl was shot dead in Queens? What a waste of a bullet.

by Anonymousreply 479May 5, 2022 1:28 AM

More wingnut feels without facts. And I suppose we’re supposed to take R475 seriously when he completely ignores that we’re still experiencing a pandemic.

[quote]Since 1991, domestic visitors to the City have more than tripled. However, the strongest decade of growth for domestic tourism was during the 1990s, when growth averaged about 7 percent per year.

Reminder: violent crime peaked in NYC in 1990/1, and while the decline began early in the decade, the BS coverage that falsely credited it all to Giuliani didn’t start til about 95 or 96. Despite that, the steep rise in tourism started even before Giuliano’s election.

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by Anonymousreply 480May 5, 2022 1:42 AM

R480 since 2016 I worked on W46th Street between 6th and Fifth Ave. I go by what I experience and see first-hand thank you. Pre-pandemic I use to walked through Times Square on a daily basis. Returning in Sept. 2021 on a hybrid schedule many businesses and restaurants had closed with many For Lease signs. A return to the office last month for1 day saw little change and very few people in Times Square despite that Omicron was over. Commuters provide a lot of revenue for the MTA, parking lots and garages and small businesses. How's everything in your mom's basement?

by Anonymousreply 481May 5, 2022 1:56 AM

I love NYC and so does my mom. We're planning a visit for next spring when she should be recovered from shoulder replacement surgery.

by Anonymousreply 482May 5, 2022 1:59 AM

funny R482 that in a previous post you pointed out that New Yorkers hate tourists!😁😊😂😍🤣

by Anonymousreply 483May 5, 2022 2:04 AM

R480 Under Giuliani's time in office (1994-2001) violent crime was nearly cut in half.

by Anonymousreply 484May 5, 2022 2:05 AM

R480 is an INCEL and an idiot which may be redundant.

by Anonymousreply 485May 5, 2022 2:13 AM

Lol, R483, I said that "according to DL New Yorkers hate tourists." Everyone was great whenever I've been.

by Anonymousreply 486May 5, 2022 2:21 AM

R484 the crime drop started before Giuliani was elected.

R485 doesn't know what an incel is.

[quote]Commuters provide a lot of revenue for the MTA, parking lots and garages and small businesses.

Thanks, genius at R481. But pandemics affect commutes and lots of places still aren't back in person full time, including mine.

by Anonymousreply 487May 5, 2022 3:17 AM

yeah, and your point is R487? and it's INCEL not incel. It's an acronym genius!

by Anonymousreply 488May 5, 2022 3:21 AM

but R487 not everyplace is experiencing the crime rates of NYC which is a further deterrent for commuters

by Anonymousreply 489May 5, 2022 3:26 AM

Quinnipiac University Poll indicated that crime was the #1 concern of New Yorkers followed by housing and homelessness

by Anonymousreply 490May 5, 2022 4:02 AM

Another day, another shooting, and another death.

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by Anonymousreply 491May 5, 2022 7:37 AM

On larceny front....

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by Anonymousreply 492May 5, 2022 8:28 AM

Concern about crime is a top polling issue across the country.

Tourism surged in NYC in 2021 despite all the same polls saying New Yorkers were worried about crime then too.

Covid was the threat to tourism, not crime. But the press launders GOP talking points so they're going to stick with that narrative no matter what the numbers say.

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by Anonymousreply 493May 5, 2022 12:57 PM

Increasing crime is an important issue in NY. I feel like you can't have an honest discussion on this because you have extremes on one side who deny crime is an issue at all while on the other we have the wacked out fuck from Weehawken you would like you to think NY is a dystopian hellhole.

The city feels less safe then a few years ago and that's a big problem for those who actually live here. Deny that all you want, but it's reality.

by Anonymousreply 494May 5, 2022 1:03 PM

Went to a theatre at 10th Ave and 52nd streets the other day. That area looked like it did back when my grandparents lived there in the late 70's/ early 80's.

by Anonymousreply 495May 5, 2022 1:08 PM

^ It's not a matter of denying it. It's pushing back against a completely bullshit press narrative that they as usual picked right up from the GOP. Crime is a problem, crime is always a problem (remember Meghan McCain and her warzone Manhattan neighborhood?). But it's not usually as big a problem as hyped, and crime is not keeping tourists away. Tourism runs parallel to economic forces (how much money do I have to spend, what places have the things I'm interested in doing/seeing), not so much less directly tangible forces like crime (there's some vague chance I might be the victim of some degree of crime).

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by Anonymousreply 496May 5, 2022 1:11 PM

And if you don't believe that, just look at the way the same conservatives who screech about CRIME! keeping tourists out of NYC react when you tell them the American gun problem depresses international tourism rates. "Not uh! Look at the numbers, plenty of people still come here, who cares!"

by Anonymousreply 497May 5, 2022 1:15 PM

I disagree. It is a big problem in NY, bigger then in recent years. It was a big issue during the mayoral primary so obviously most NYers agree.

The city feels tense and unsafe (especially on the subway). And shop lifting is so rampant my local Duane Reade has half the store locked up. You can't even buy toothpaste without needing a clerk to open up the cabinet. And I live on the UES, one of the 'safer' neighborhoods.

by Anonymousreply 498May 5, 2022 1:17 PM

The violent robberies of bodegas and small businesses along with the looting of Walgreen's and CVS and the smash and grabs of jewelry stores . . .has caused stores to close and certainly doesn't encourage anyone to open up a business in NYC

by Anonymousreply 499May 5, 2022 2:32 PM

Yes, we know you disagree. And you’ll keep insisting even as the tourists keep showing up.

by Anonymousreply 500May 5, 2022 2:46 PM

I don't give a shit if tourists do or don't show up. I care about quality of life and my safety.

by Anonymousreply 501May 5, 2022 2:48 PM

Maybe the question is how bad does it have to get for people in NYC to admit that there is a problem. It would be helpful if people living in NYC could fill-in the statement “”If _______, then I would say NYC has a high crime problem.”

by Anonymousreply 502May 5, 2022 2:48 PM

Discounting the defensive position of some in this thread who like to pretend everything is unicorn and puppies here, everybody I know in NYC *is* concerned about rising crime.

by Anonymousreply 503May 5, 2022 2:51 PM

It's all about *you*, r501.

by Anonymousreply 504May 5, 2022 2:53 PM

R494 you don't need me I'm only a poster on DL after all for people to know how dangerous NY has become as New Yorkers themselves as polls have demonstrated feel less safe in their own city. See WPIX, CBS, ABC News, 1010 WINS, AMNY . . .

by Anonymousreply 505May 5, 2022 2:53 PM

You probably don't even live in NYC, R504. Keep living in denial.

by Anonymousreply 506May 5, 2022 2:55 PM

What's your solution, r505?

by Anonymousreply 507May 5, 2022 2:55 PM

R507 more police on subways and make sure the cameras are working, end the' catch and release' as many crimes in 2022 were committed by repeat offenders would be a good start.

by Anonymousreply 508May 5, 2022 3:00 PM

and R507 acknowledging that there is a problem and realizing that if unchecked it will only get worse is also a step in the right direction and no one really cares if it was worse 30 or 40 years ago since most people aren't old enough to remember.

by Anonymousreply 509May 5, 2022 3:15 PM

There is no solution, and without legal abortion, expect to see crime rates go up. Unwanted children born in poverty to poor women with few social supports are more likely to grow up and exhibit antisocial behaviors. Because it is both nature and nurture that leads to ASPD.

by Anonymousreply 510May 5, 2022 4:51 PM

Females need a license to see if they are fit and can take care of lil rug rats. If not, sterilize them.

by Anonymousreply 511May 5, 2022 6:28 PM

[quote]the crime drop started before Giuliani was elected.

There was an infinitesimal drop in violent crime from its peak before Giuliani.

Under Giuliani it dropped like a rock.

BTW: Giuliani left office with an approval rating among New York City voters at 79%.

by Anonymousreply 512May 5, 2022 6:45 PM

R510 poor people were trailblazers in back-alley abortions, not to worry. Besides more kids means more government subsidies.

by Anonymousreply 513May 5, 2022 7:27 PM

R486 LOL! but you did point that out as I said

by Anonymousreply 514May 5, 2022 7:47 PM

More kids means less migrants intake

by Anonymousreply 515May 5, 2022 8:26 PM

R510 is right - legal and easily available abortion is the single most effective crime fighting tool in the long run, that and contraception.

by Anonymousreply 516May 5, 2022 8:27 PM

In broad daylight: officer stabbed, suspect shot in Coney Island today- WABC

by Anonymousreply 517May 5, 2022 8:38 PM

2 men shot, killed in Midtown Manhattan early Thursday. Crime surged 34% in April in NYC and May is off to a bad start.

by Anonymousreply 518May 5, 2022 8:57 PM

[quote]More kids means less migrants intake

The problem is the extra kids will be more likely to exhibit antisocial behaviors.

Hardworking immigrants vs damaged sociopaths...

by Anonymousreply 519May 5, 2022 10:04 PM

Frightening away workers from their desks: NYC is facing a long-term decline of workers returning to the office over crime and currently less than 40% of workers are in the office on any given workday. That's a significant loss of revenue for the MTA. small businesses, restaurants, parking garages/lots . . .

by Anonymousreply 520May 9, 2022 4:30 AM

Even the squirrels in Central park are scared. If they ARE safe, it's only because they are high in cholesterol.

by Anonymousreply 521May 9, 2022 4:37 AM

They're nuts like you R521 😉😂😛🤣☺️😂😍☺️

by Anonymousreply 522May 9, 2022 4:53 AM

And I;m squirrely, but not like Mr. Peepers.

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by Anonymousreply 523May 9, 2022 5:00 AM

12 New Yorkers killed in street collisions a week into the city's 'Slow Down' ad campaign aimed at drivers

by Anonymousreply 524May 10, 2022 6:24 PM

45-year-old tourist from California was stabbed and slashed in the neck at W40th and Eighth Avenue Wednesday morning. Welcome to the new New York. The 70s are starting to look like a golden age.

by Anonymousreply 525May 11, 2022 4:48 PM

Oh poopoo. It was prolly a Karen and she prolly deserved it.

by Anonymousreply 526May 11, 2022 6:03 PM

^Good idea. Put the blame on Karen instead of Eric!

by Anonymousreply 527May 11, 2022 8:43 PM

17-year-old fatally shot outside Bronx grocery store

Dead man found on Staten Island street was shot in the chest

NYPD officer shot, suspect killed in shootout

Teen shot outside of is high school in Queens

Delivery man punched, robbed, shot at in Crown Heights late Monday

MTA bus driver assaulted after not opening doors in between stops

Bodega worker choked unconscious in vicious robbery on Staten Island

Kids thrown to the ground as man gropes mom on Brooklyn street

Several Jewish men attacked in Brooklyn over past few days

Dozens of cars in Midtown and Chelsea found with tires slashed overnight in NYC

by Anonymousreply 528May 11, 2022 9:06 PM

Poopoo! All Karens who deserved it!

by Anonymousreply 529May 11, 2022 9:12 PM

Speaking of Kareb=

Speaking of Karens R529 how's your mom? Has she tried Sweet Fish to get rid of that stench of crotch rot the neighbors are complaining about?

by Anonymousreply 530May 11, 2022 9:19 PM

speaking of poopoo R526 R528, isn't it time to change your mom's diaper?

by Anonymousreply 531May 11, 2022 9:28 PM

No one feels sorry for the scum that chooses to live in a failed city in a failed state. NYC is dead and ain't never cumming back mutherfuckers.

by Anonymousreply 532May 11, 2022 10:32 PM

Man violently robbed in Times Square subway station during evening rush

by Anonymousreply 533May 12, 2022 7:05 PM

During robbery, don’t resist. Give them everything they want and more.

by Anonymousreply 534May 12, 2022 11:00 PM

People have done that and still been killed, R534. It's not about the money for some of these cunts. It's the thrill of the kill.

by Anonymousreply 535May 12, 2022 11:01 PM

If looks could kill...and they do in scary NYC! 😱😱

by Anonymousreply 536May 12, 2022 11:04 PM

Rule 1: No eye contact

by Anonymousreply 537May 12, 2022 11:06 PM

True, R537, but even then you have to be careful on how you do that. Some take it as a "diss" when you avoid eye contact and get angered.

by Anonymousreply 538May 13, 2022 1:33 AM

and many have been pushed, shoved and assaulted from behind R537

by Anonymousreply 539May 13, 2022 1:48 AM

If the blacks are determined to kill your cracker asses, ain't nothing gone stop them.

by Anonymousreply 540May 13, 2022 2:13 AM

28-year-old man fatally stabbed in Greenwich Village this morning

by Anonymousreply 541May 13, 2022 4:16 PM

Summer is usually a very busy tourist season for NYC, but Broadway shows are announcing closures for June, July and August. Thanks to an increase in violent crime, COVID and the economy NY hasn't yet come back nor have many office workers as many are working remotely.

by Anonymousreply 542June 22, 2022 11:22 PM

[quote] During robbery, don’t resist. Give them everything they want and more.

Also, accept that the robbery is the result of your bad decision on where to live or travel to.

by Anonymousreply 543June 22, 2022 11:40 PM

New Yorkers, please stay put.

by Anonymousreply 544June 22, 2022 11:43 PM

but robbery is not really the reason behind a lot of violent crimes R543 in NY and other major US cities. The subway slashings and shoving and the car that opened fire on a crowd in Philly were not about robbery

by Anonymousreply 545June 22, 2022 11:46 PM

It will be offset by the new boom of abortion tourism.

by Anonymousreply 546June 25, 2022 12:45 PM

I live in NY and I’m not fearin. Stay home please. We don’t need you. Every billionaire in the world has 3 or 4 condos here, so we’re not hurting for money. Rupert Murdoch & Sons think they’re going to tank NY economy by scaring midwestern tourists? Bitch please. Murdochs own multiple properties here, ha ha ha. Even Lachlan, who ran away & put his kids in Australian schools during lockdown is back here with his family. He’s not scared.

by Anonymousreply 547June 25, 2022 7:05 PM

Unfortunately, R547 billionaires and foreign investors are not the lifeblood of most New York businesses. They are not year-round residences and many restaurants, stores; hotels, parking garages, parking lots and the MTA depend on tourism and daily commuters for their revenue and many of those venues provide jobs as well. Several Broadway shows have already announced closings for the summer which was traditionally a very busy time for Broadway and as many offices remain on remote there is a loss of revenue with much office space unused and unleased and the vast majority of people I work with prefer to remain remote especially those who need to take the subway to get to work.

by Anonymousreply 548June 28, 2022 2:22 AM

Nobody is safe

New York City has recorded a 25.8% jump in violent crime as of mid-June this year compared to the same time in 2021. Rapes are up roughly 15% in the city this year compared to last, while robberies are up 39.7% and felony assaults are up 19.6%.

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by Anonymousreply 549June 28, 2022 2:31 AM

^ And garbage and rats are increasing as are assaults on MTA workers. The governor signed a bill imposing stiffer penalties for assaulting transit workers and the mayor has included funding for rat proof trash cans in the New York City budget!

by Anonymousreply 550June 28, 2022 3:10 AM

serious question: why are manhattan rents at all time highs if it's such a dangerous shithole these days?

and I'm not being sarcastic. People I know who live there have been complaining about the crime and other lawless behavior over the past few years.

by Anonymousreply 551June 28, 2022 11:42 AM

It isn't so much New Yorkers are in denial as New Yorkers on DL are in denial. They are particularly thin skinned about the city and hyper defensive of the mythology.

by Anonymousreply 552June 28, 2022 11:45 AM

R428. Released on bail!

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by Anonymousreply 553June 28, 2022 11:51 AM

R551, It is because the majority of NYC, particularly Manhattan, residential real estate is either owned or managed by a handful of people. Even if the building is privately owned, chances are it is managed by a company that manages thousands of other buildings. Obviously, this gives great power to set prices. Also, while on paper, it is illegal for commercial ventures to collude to set prices, it happens all the time in real estate.

by Anonymousreply 554June 28, 2022 11:52 AM

Wait until the high summer heat. The higher the temperature, the higher the tempers.

by Anonymousreply 555June 29, 2022 12:10 PM

Woman with baby stroller shot dead in UES. New Yuck!

by Anonymousreply 556June 30, 2022 2:52 AM

Frustrated NYC detectives leaving ‘insane’ NYPD, have ‘had enough’

More than 100 NYPD detectives have retired in June — and another 75 plan to put their papers in next month — as many become frustrated by revolving-door justice and rules that hamstring them in the Big Apple, officials and detectives told The Post.

“That’s going to have a major impact on investigating crimes,” Detectives Endowment Association president Paul DiGiacomo said. “The detective squads are down now as we speak and are investigating more cases. It’s going to have an impact on public safety.”

So far this year, 250 detectives have retired, leaving the total number at about 5,600, which is nearly 2,000 less than two decades ago.

There were 794 detective retirements during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 — and that number dropped down to 395 in 2021. Sources said 100 retirements in just one month is a large number for the NYPD.

The Post also reported earlier this month that cops in general were leaving the force in record numbers.

Caputo, who is leaving after 18 years in the NYPD. “The no-bail law was a big thing with me,” he said. “It’s not even really crimefighting anymore. You arrest somebody for assault 2 with a weapon and then the person is back at the precinct getting his property the next day. They’re not locking anyone up, even those with records. Pay your debt to society. You broke the law.”

“The criminals are not being prosecuted and they’re not being held accountable,” said the sleuth with 500 career arrests.

“It’s insane,” he said. “I feel bad for the businesses. You can even have private security and they just go in there and assault them. They assault police. It really sucks. But I don’t see any politician really solving the problem.”

The city has seen a drop in murders and shootings so far this year over last, by about 12%, but other major crimes — like grand larceny, robberies and burglaries — have experienced steep increases, putting more pressure on investigators, NYPD data show.

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by Anonymousreply 557June 30, 2022 3:21 AM

[QUOTE] Woman with baby stroller shot dead in UES.

Probably shot by DLer for blocking sidewalk with double stroller.

by Anonymousreply 558June 30, 2022 10:44 AM

I am gong to NYC this weekend. Should I post what is on my iPod and delegate who gets my stuff?

by Anonymousreply 559June 30, 2022 10:55 AM

Oh God I'm the last post. But the conversation isn't done. We need to unpack this more.

by Anonymousreply 560June 30, 2022 12:21 PM

Oh praise, there are still 40 posts left. I thought it said 599. Need to put on my reading glasses.

Life is good.

by Anonymousreply 561June 30, 2022 12:21 PM

I spent the weekend with some New Yorkers who conceded the mood among their friends and family has shifted from typical city street smarts to a feeling of uneasiness and uncertainty and fear of the random. One said - it used to be they just wanted your wallet... now they might kill you, too... you can't be sure anymore.

by Anonymousreply 562June 30, 2022 2:25 PM

Will the NY Post subscribers/trolls kindly refrain from posting/linking to that Murdoch garbage dump. The NY Post is the print equivalent to Fox News, where I imagine you spend an inordinate amount of time as well.

Few gay New York City dwellers (or residents in general) read The NY Post. Update your handlers.

by Anonymousreply 563June 30, 2022 3:01 PM

You know, R563, just fuck off with your general you-ness. You're one of the most obnoxious characters on this board. People can link as they like, if content sparks conversation. Jesus, the bossy boots in this dump. I don't know if it's authentication or just having your name nails your assholeness to your mast...

by Anonymousreply 564June 30, 2022 3:13 PM

I don't read the Post either but if other outlets aren't reporting things, then I'm gonna link to whoever's reporting them, especially if they have video. You have the option to not open links that offend your delicate sensibilities.

by Anonymousreply 565June 30, 2022 3:13 PM

A woman pushing a baby stroller, with a three month old baby....was targeted and shot in the head. She's dead. This happened in the UES...supposedly a nice area.

by Anonymousreply 566June 30, 2022 4:26 PM

This shit is happening all over in big cities...not only NYC. A man, who was driving too slow for someone in a car behind him, was shot dead because of it. This happened in the Philly area. Now, with the loosening of gun laws, especially states that were strict...we'll see more of this. Thank you, SCOTUS.

by Anonymousreply 567June 30, 2022 4:30 PM

[quote] A woman pushing a baby stroller, with a three month old baby....was targeted and shot in the head. She's dead. This happened in the UES...supposedly a nice area.

It was a housing project

It was a domestic violence incident. Police were called numerous times by the woman and her family.

Once again, the world’s most expensive police department has failed.

by Anonymousreply 568June 30, 2022 5:57 PM

The DL's resident hall monitor has spoken at R563.

by Anonymousreply 569June 30, 2022 6:16 PM

Fox News to dump this story in 5….4….3…2…

by Anonymousreply 570June 30, 2022 6:28 PM

R569... not just Donald's Worst Nightmare... everybody's....

by Anonymousreply 571June 30, 2022 6:39 PM

small business owners and corporations may vote with their feet and leave. No one in my office which went back to remote in December 2021 because of Omicron wants to have to travel to or within Manhattan on a regular basis especially those who rely on the subway and store owners and their employees are increasingly becoming the victims of violent robberies.

by Anonymousreply 572June 30, 2022 6:40 PM

I am surprised New Yorkers even leave the house. Anyone could be shot dead at any moment.

by Anonymousreply 573June 30, 2022 6:50 PM

R573 New York is a big city with a large population so in reality your chances are rather slim, but the violence is so random and pointless and it's happening as people go about their daily routine that it certainly would give one pause when going out. My friends in Hell's Kitchen say that now when they go out, they take an Uber or a cab they no longer feel comfortable at night walking down the street.

by Anonymousreply 574June 30, 2022 7:01 PM

Re: the mother shot dead while pushing a baby stroller....the baby should have carried. A good baby with a gun could have stopped a bad guy with a gun.

by Anonymousreply 575June 30, 2022 7:02 PM

I guess Satan just needed another minion.

by Anonymousreply 576June 30, 2022 7:11 PM

[quote] small business owners and corporations may vote with their feet and leave

Real estate developers would love that. They want to knock down every 6 story building & replace them with 60 ft luxury high rises bought by criminal oligarchs. Criminal oligarchs form LLCs, limited liability corporations. They all get together, make shell companies, hire someone to “represent” the shell company. Then the shell companies all form a bunch of LLCs and buy up small buildings and middle class housing. They rip it all out, replace with massive, high end buildings and rent out space to their other corporations. In resort areas they pull down middle c,ass houses and rep,ace with attached wood & glass cubes. Each “bedroom” is a suite with couches, bed, microwave, fridge, bath room. Rent each bedroom suite out via Air BnB every weekend.

Put tours together - stay in Manhattan/Brooklyn during the week, spend rest of time in Hamptons! Round trip airfare includes coupons for on-site massage!

People like Trumps & Kushners salivate at the idea of closing small businesses, knocking down buildings, putting up massive structures and selling to Russians, Chinese, Saudis, Omanis, Kuwaitis, Kazakhs Turks, Texas oil men. All non-Americans who buy from them get an E5 investors visa & get on track to citizenship, like Musk and Thiel.

by Anonymousreply 577June 30, 2022 7:29 PM

so, small businesses and corporations should shoulder the burden and carry on as usual despite increased crime, the difficulty in finding employees and a workforce that no longer sees the necessity of being in the office five days a week as they save money and time working remotely

by Anonymousreply 578June 30, 2022 8:07 PM

R577 (^.^)

by Anonymousreply 579June 30, 2022 8:08 PM

R556 is UES or "Upper East Side" an euphemism for the 'hood now?

by Anonymousreply 580July 1, 2022 12:56 AM

The murdered 20 year old babymama was having trouble with the absentee father.

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by Anonymousreply 581July 1, 2022 1:31 AM

Murder rates per 100,000 in major American cities, June 2022:

St. Louis, MO (69.4)

Baltimore, MD (51.1)

New Orleans, LA (40.6)

Detroit, MI (39.7)

Cleveland, OH (33.7)

Las Vegas, NV (31.4)

Kansas City, MO (31.2)

Memphis, TN (27.1)

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New York City: 5.5

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by Anonymousreply 582July 1, 2022 1:38 AM

R582 tourists and office workers don't care how violent other cities are NYC is dangerous enough

by Anonymousreply 583July 1, 2022 2:26 AM

Streets packed

Restaurants packed

Broadway shows packed

Yeah, it's a real ghost town!

by Anonymousreply 584July 1, 2022 2:30 AM

Certainly not a ghost townR584 How could a city with 8 million residents be a ghost town? But many venues close early and there are a lot of for lease signs all over town. Chelsea the Village, the East Village are comparatively empty to what they were before the pandemic. Many restaurants and businesses that closed during the pandemic have never come back and several Broadway shows have announced closings for June, July and August normally a very busy time for Broadway

by Anonymousreply 585July 1, 2022 2:40 AM

R582 this is not about hard crimes per capita, it's the "surging" crimes in recent years. Do other cities like St. Louis or Baltimore have a 41% increase on robberies, 21% on assaults or 40% jump on burglaries? I doubt it, but NYC has!

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by Anonymousreply 586July 1, 2022 4:08 AM

Sorry but soon there will be a murder a day in Manhattan. It’s not looking good.

by Anonymousreply 587July 1, 2022 4:49 AM

It already averages over 30 a month.

by Anonymousreply 588July 1, 2022 4:56 AM

NYC has been kind of bitchmade the last twenty or so years. It needs to get back to its gritty roots I say. Good for more murders.

by Anonymousreply 589July 1, 2022 5:05 AM

R582 and all those tourists $$$ Detroit, Newark, Cleveland, St. Louis, Kansas City are going to lose!

by Anonymousreply 590July 1, 2022 6:09 PM

[quote][R573] New York is a big city with a large population so in reality your chances are rather slim, but the violence is so random and pointless and it's happening as people go about their daily routine that it certainly would give one pause when going out. My friends in Hell's Kitchen say that now when they go out, they take an Uber or a cab they no longer feel comfortable at night walking down the street.

I hope you're not trolling. r574, or that your friends aren't trolling you. I just spent a day at the beach and am heading into Manhattan for dinner with friends. Life is risk.

by Anonymousreply 591July 1, 2022 6:36 PM

No R591 I live 10 minutes from Midtown across the Hudson and NY has changed as so many cities have after the pandemic and it's obvious to someone who until 2019 was working in Midtown 4-5 days a week. PS why go back to the city now that it's so hot? On July 4th weekend!

by Anonymousreply 592July 1, 2022 6:42 PM

R592 RU taking the subway back to the city?

by Anonymousreply 593July 1, 2022 6:48 PM

R591 I hope UR not taking the subway back to the city!

by Anonymousreply 594July 1, 2022 6:49 PM

R591 so sweet of you to take time out of your lovely day to troll

by Anonymousreply 595July 1, 2022 6:53 PM

If you are traveling by car R591 you should take the LIE! Hope there's not too much traffic on this holiday weekend!

by Anonymousreply 596July 1, 2022 7:12 PM

R591 any hot surfers at the beach?

by Anonymousreply 597July 1, 2022 7:20 PM

R591=Captain Obvious

by Anonymousreply 598July 1, 2022 7:25 PM

A lot of NYers will be at a beach this weekend...the Hamptons, Coney Island or the Jersey shore...away from the hot and grimy city.

by Anonymousreply 599July 1, 2022 9:13 PM

I hope that our urban crime concern trolls are able to stay safe this weekend in their basement cubicles in Irkutsk.

by Anonymousreply 600July 1, 2022 9:33 PM
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