Do not use they/them to refer to everyone

What do identity politics division trolls prefer? Shit/shit's?

Of course r1 is a hateful bigot. Why can't you just learn the rules?

Just call everyone cunts. Solves that problem.

Also an important guide.

Fuck they.

You're all IT in my book. Fuck off with the "cis" crap, too.

I use “it” behind their backs because this whole non binary stuff is just stupid !

No.

[quote]Of course [R1] is a hateful bigot. Why can't you just learn the rules?

We learned the rules of English grammar in school, thank you very much.

For instance, we learned that 'they' means 'more than one person', and is used as an indefinite personal pronoun in constructions following indefinite pronouns like 'somebody'. That's it..

Crytheybies

I demand that you use my pronouns and I demand that you not define me by my gender/sex while I constantly talk about my not-defined gender/sex!

And I demand that you use self-defining pronouns in all your personal and professional communications or you will be #cancelled!

I’ll consider your pronouns when you consider beginning sentences with capital letters and ending them with periods.

Oh,…who am I kidding? I’ll never have use for such bullshit!

OP is clearly a wind up troll. Don’t feed it.

Mental illness

R13 is a Hall Monitor in need of a safety belt.

capitalization is a cis-terf-scum construct, and is anti-trans.

stop trying to oppress the trans with your tyrannical capital letters!

murderer!

I recognize the importance of those who do not want to be identified as male or female. That does not mean I have to identify what I believe or desire my gender to be. Globally it makes no difference to me, for anyone- gay, straight, drag, trans, or “they”. I also don’t care if you are Asian, black, white, indigenous, Jewish, Hindu… I only care if I meet or know you that you are kind, funny, and have a big dick. If big dick isn’t in your physiology, that’s ok because if you are kind and funny- I’ll be able to get to know you and maybe bake a new friend.

R13 it's funny how posting actual things people are saying and many are nodding in agreement with is somehow "trolling". Should we not want everyone to know how to properly address others? Are you somehow embarrassed by this? What do you think caused you to be so bigoted?

I want to be addressed by my name R18. I’ve been addressed as he and sometimes even she- I’ve never care a wit. I know who and what I am. I always gave. If someone wants me to address them as “they” I will, just as I don’t want to be addressed as Joe. But gender, sexuality? I only care about either if I’m sexually interested. Im not a bigot at all- oh I have NYU prejudiced, coffee ice cream and big dicks, but no, I’m not a bigot. I respect the humanity and dignity of all. I just don’t put much stock in labels unless they are practically important.

[quote]If someone wants me to address them as “they” I will

Why don't 'they' make up a new singular pronoun instead of muddling things up for all English speakers? Just make up a random other combination of sounds that's not already taken up by a very different meaning.

Language is supposed to be about communication, and one way of that is by avoiding or reducing ambiguity and confusion about meaning. How am I to know that you mean a person in the singular when you tell me "They ...blah blah".

Solutions:

forehead tattoos

a tag you wear on a chain around your neck

a pronoun tage

OP, grow up

I sometimes have to read something over when "they" represents one person. "They" is plural, so I look for other clues in the sentence to confirm multiple people are addressed. It distracts me to have to pause to confirm or deny this. Old grammar rules are set in stone for life, in my case 62 years.

Language is supposed to evolve to reduce ambiguity and confusion, not increase it.

OP, if you're not going to use proper English in grammar and form, would you please tell your HS freshman teacher she failed you?

Your claptrap is bad enough without cunt-glitter "creative capitalization and punctuation."

Or do you want whatever you write to smell like cunt before anyone reads it and confirms the fact?

I give less of a shit about this than the one I squeezed out of my asshole about five minutes ago.

For the kabillionth time:

The opinion of one Twitter Rando does not equal a declaration by ALL TRANS that we must censor ourselves or do whatever that one person is suggesting. Seriously.

I will use whatever I feel like.

Hey You!

Yeah, you over there!

Baking new friends sounds counterproductive.

Fuck/Off

R27 a look at the list of replies and the amount of retweets and likes that thread has says it's not just some random opinion. Lots of people agree with xhir.

[quote] —Now you have been educated

No, OP, I have been obfuscated.

Our 11-year-ols daughter has two friends that identify as lesbian (already...), two that are non-binary, and one friend (also 11) who is now a girl. changed her name and wears girl's clothes. The first bra she put on what at our house!. I have to really try hard using "they/them" when I talk about her non-binary friends b/c I've known them since preschool as girls. I once told our daughter that when I was growing up, you were either a boy or a girl. Period. She looked at me quizzically and said, "Really? Wow."

R34 yikes that is nuts. Kids that age are too young to know anything, they're just repeating what they are seeing and hearing and what they think makes them seem more interesting.

It's weird how the social contagion for trans stuff is strongest amongst girls by a huge margin.

Nobody has ever asked me to refer to them using pronouns that don’t agree with the gender they obviously present as.

If someone is wearing lipstick and a dress, I go with “she.” Doesn’t matter if she is 6’5” and has an Adam’s apple.

Is this really an issue that inconveniences people, or is it all theoretical?

At least it seems we've moved on from the neo-pronouns. Now THAT was an era...

R36 someone posted recently - their niece was going to university somewhere nearby, and had grown up in Portland. She came to visit them recently in the Midwest and when asked how she enjoyed the area, she said the weirdest thing was how people just assume other people's genders. It's definitely a thing! Just not as much everywhere.

How about Thee and Thou??

R34, that sounds like a nightmare. Where do you live? And how did your daughter and her little friends get indoctrinated (groomed?) to be non-binaries?

R40: we live in Berkeley, CA - so that about explains it all. And, mind you, most of these kids live within walking distance of our house and all walk to school in the morning...

R41 The beating heart of SJWs!

You don't have to use pronouns you're uncomfortable using. Just ask their name and call them that every time.

^Or avoid anyone completely who makes their pronouns an issue. Not hard for me. I don't associate with any narcissistic, entitled, disturbed, teenage girls.

Fuck your precious pronouns and your more precious rules for them.

It always amuses me when the trans think they're going to be welcome here.

R36

It's not a real life issue. These people live their lives online. All their interpersonal shit is virtual.

I'm still caught in the Miss/Mrs. trap. Some women take offense if you address them with an incorrect marital status. But, it is easily forgotten when you apologize.

There were so many elderly women who were still addressed as "Miss" in elementary school in the 60s. It's as if "spinster" and "teacher" were related as a point of pride.

FFS, R48, why don't you just use the honorific "Ms."? It's been around since 1901.

The best solution is to just ignore people like this and have no interaction with them whatsoever. That way you will not get slammed for not being a mind reader and magically knowing their "preferred pronouns". And your life will be better due to not having to deal with all this bullshit drama.

For people like this, the default pronouns should be "clown/clownself".

clown/clownself

Our trolls are so unimaginative. Instead of coming up with more intelligent and covert identity division politics threads, they're still bumping this old and busted thread. No new talking points from Mother Russia tonight?

R53 What's more tired is posters like r53 who are obsessed with shutting down any thread that makes them uncomfortable or look bad, so they roll out the "Boris" talking points.

Just sassily refer to everyone as "Lady", or "Toots"!

You'll never use he/she/they when directly talking to the person.

It's all about power (and validation !) when they're not there or in group settings.

In many cases, the best pronoun to use now is IT.