Alok Vaid-Menon Finds Beauty Beyond Gender

"Comedian"

When have they ever been funny?

OMG. This is like a parody. "Your Wound. My Garden????" Did Gilda Radner write this? At least she was genuinely funny.

How does one pronounce Mx.?

That's a lot of redefining. Maybe it'll work if you redefine "hideous" as "beautiful."

How has this lifelong grifter gotten so many NY Times articles?

Xhe is so ugly.

Every lame ass celebrity is clinging on to him now...Sam smith, Camila Cabello, Themi Lovato...he's what stupid people think is deep and intelligent.

How charming!

What is it?

Alok features prominently in my sexual night terrors.

Well, I'm glad he found somewhere as it is severely lacking in his mirrors.

Fuck him and his ample closet space.

Must be nice to come from money, never have to work a day in your life, and do nothing all day but indulge your own narcissism.

If any face ever defined "beauty," it's that lovely, alluring visage.

“Beauty, for me, is what the natural orientation of the universe is returning to." Yes. Like a glittering stream on a clear mountain morning, trout jumping; like cherry blossoms drifting down, covering the surface of a still pond; like the song of a whipporwill, the glow of a summer sunrise, the roar of the surf as the sun sets on a Hawaiian shore -- such is the natural beauty of Mx. Vaid-Menon.

The beauty that surpasseth all understanding.

Here 'they' are as a guest on the Man Enough podcast mentioned in the article above-

I insist you all acknowledge my mental illness but don’t date call it that.

How is he qualified to be on a podcast called "Man Enough" when he insists he is not a man?

Whatever Alok wants Alok gets.

What the fuck is "Mx."?

He's disgusting to look at.

OP, who cares? You're bullying someone who isn't hurting anyone

This is the kind of bullying that conservatives give to gay men (especially effeminate ones)

How does this awful nonbinary troll keep getting writeups in the New York Times? I know he comes from a wealthy family but his parents must be very well connected.

R18 actually Alok has posts talking about the "sexuality" of little girls and other disturbing things, in addition to being a sasquatch and hideous to look at.

At the end of the interview, Alok spun their bow tie, honked their nose, and climbed into the back of a Mini Cooper with seven other non-conforming freaks to drive away in a cloud of bubbles.

If it dresses like a clown, has colored hair like a clown, talks like a clown…

[quote]How does one pronounce Mx.

It's pronounced "mex."

R11 I had the same thought. All I could hear reading that was "rich parents rich parents rich parents."

This is why they hate us.

Why do so many gender-nonconforming-individualist-twelve-spirit types all look alike, hmmmm?

Such a visionary!!!!

Never has this meme seemed more fitting, given Mx. Venom's long biography.

Alok? Did someone type the birth certificate with their elbows?

Yikes.

R15 he likes his male privilege when it suits him .

Bless them, but they should keep looking.

What the fuck has happened to the New York Times?

Bitch stole my look!

Welcome to the gates of hell!

The Unfuckables

[quote]Alok Vaid-Menon Finds Beauty Beyond Gender

Not based on that picture.

Why does "gender" for these types always mean multicolor hair, overdone drag queen makeup, Dress Barn costume jewelry, and bad-acid-trip frocks?

Clown makeup and clown clothes really have nothing to do with gender.

Does this behavior really truly compensate for what must have been a bad childhood?

But then again, maybe he's just a totally entitled attention whore.

This is the soundtrack to this thread.

Meredith Talusan wrote an article about how upset Alok and Jacob Tobia were that straight guys didn't want to fuck them. Seriously. We had a thread on it here, and DLers tore shit up!

Good choice, R38, but this is better.

Don't forget, R39 - Meredith herself found out about our DL thread about that article and decided to give us a lecture, and for free!

The thread made it to 600 posts.

He's so annoying. He thinks he's Joan of Arc just because he wears ugly clothing.

Well, I would not mind seeing him burn alive, so maybe he has something there.

He needs to grow the fuck up.

R34 a lot of people with this aesthetic just fuck each other - you'd be surprised at how many are partnered up with other like-minded people.

Not Alok, though. Despite his "[italic]slayworthiness[/italic] and social capital".

Well, I wasn't gonna say it, but yes, xe's pretty slayworthy.

Alok is a Stanford graduate, Bachelor's and Master's. Not a ringing endorsement for that institution. Actually, rather embarrassing.

Alok could play Che Diaz, in case Sara Ramirez decided to (wisely) jump ship...

Who???

One thing I loved about the Halloween film series was rooting for Laurie Strode to beat Michael Myers.

Jamie Lee Curtis has been promoting Alak like crazy and licking his clit on social media.

Now I am rooting for Michael Myers.

I've never seen something more deserving of the term "weird-oh."

That's because Jamie Lee has one of her own Aloks at home, a 35 year old manbaby who likes to play dress up and pinch his budding breastlets.

From the article:

[quote]Alok and Jacob are two of the most publicly visible gender nonconforming femmes I know. As a performance poet, Alok has just gone solo after touring in dozens of cities in the US and abroad as one half of the poetry duo Darkmatter. Jacob was named to 2016's OUT 100, has made a web series for NBC, and been the subject of a GLAAD-nominated episode of MTV's True Life. Both are trans-identified, but belong somewhere in between genders, and they've amassed huge social media followings as gender nonbinary, femme, and fabulous human beings.

[quote]But if you think all that would land them a date, you'd be wrong. And nobody is more puzzled than me as to why such obvious catches are having dating problems when so many clamor for their attention.

So people should want to fuck them because they have shallow fleeting stints on MTV or have social media presence? Low bar indeed.

^the article at R46

According to her Wikipedia page, Marilyn got herself a spouse and moved Upstate-

Meredith Talusan is married to Josh Hanson. Talusan currently resides in Barryville, NY.

And she also tweeted-

More than once I have said, "White men's names all sound the same to me I can't tell them apart." Then I married Josh Hanson erp

Did he ever get laid, though?

I was about to be jealous that Talusan had a husband I didn't.

And then I clicked on that photo.

R58 Same. I rather be single for eternity if they were my option.

He's dressed like a psychedelic grandma. What's so "beyond gender" about that?

Why do these people assume that if someone doesn't want to fuck them it's some sort of phobia versus perhaps looking like an LSD nightmare?

You know any relationship you have with them will eventually be described in full detail in some didactic essay in the NYT, which doesn't help either.

The fact that no one wants to date you is not a violation of your civil rights.

Any female human being who dressed the way they do would be subjected to involuntary commitment, not celebrated.

True r63! Male privilege strikes again.

I'll get flamed to Hell for posting a Blaire White video here, but she raises a number of points we've discussed here.

Regardless of gender, beauty is definitely not found. They/it/gross/shim needs to search a little harder.

Side note: I guess my word of the day is "here". I could've avoided using it TWICE in one sentence.

Forgive....Forgive.

[quote]How does this awful nonbinary troll keep getting writeups in the New York Times?

I said this before when they had the article about the trans restaurant in NY: they are total suckers for this kind of thing at the Times. They really do seem to think this is all just *fascinating* and *innovative*. They just can't seem to recognize hucksters and scammers when they see them. It's so funny because New Yorkers like to think they're so worldly wise.

[quote]explore fluid identity

Hogwash. There's no identity if the drag changes every five minutes.

[quote]They just can't seem to recognize hucksters and scammers when they see them. It's so funny because New Yorkers like to think they're so worldly wise.

That's why they fall for all the scams. Anna Delvey, the Fyre Fest scammer, WeWork, these 'fluid' nonentities....

He's single, fellas!

[quote] Big Break: This summer, Mx. Vaid-Menon appeared on “Man Enough,” a podcast that explores what masculinity is;

Did they find anything?

r72 42 wannabe dykes creaming their jeans and screaming "ja" at every word... but ultimately feeling betrayed when discovering it wasn't a hairy femme like themselves but just a bio dude.

[quote]How does one pronounce Mx.?

"Mess"

I hope he gets beaten up by rednecks.

Somebody please make this gender fad end.

look at me.

I said, LOOK AT ME.

Once you have publicly adopted a position, it’s difficult to shake it off. The folly of youth. He will get even more ridiculous as he ages. Mrs Doubtfire.

The author of the piece is a young person who writes on queer nightlife for the Times. Some boomer hired her because they felt out of touch and needed someone with a " finger on the pulse" etc.

Are there consequences for institutions which go the route of taking what are seen as increasingly crazy positions? I am thinking of the NY Times, Oberlin, etc. Or will such institutions because of their deep pockets just continue on?

R65, the little girls are kinky and not entirely innocent statement should get the NYT and the author of the essay in trouble. They should have done their due diligence.

The irony is that, in mainstream society, BIOLOGICAL women who looked/dressed like this would not be celebrated as beautiful.

It's kind of like Rachel Levine and Caitlyn Jenner and all the other 50+ MtF who are celebrated. They really have no sense of what it's like to be an aging woman in this world. Their male privilege continues to insulate them.

Zany hairstyles and colorful accoutrements will never disguise the fact that this ugly dude is anything other than an ugly dude.

Brahmins are going to Brahmin.

They is awesome.

I am so glad I finally canceled my Times subscription.

Just because you're unattractive does not mean you need to change genders. It usually only makes it worse and more noticeable.

PLEASE join me in F&F’ing the OP who incessantly promotes “themself” here, often under the guise of “picking fun” at this absurd, bizarre creature of a person, likely the OP himself or a friend. The OP works this guy’s name into every thread he can and is using DL to promote it. Kill the troll, please.

I FF op because he did not use DL FAVE in the title.

Bearking would have been nice, OP.

So how do psychologists and psychiatrists look at someone like this, purely from a professional point of view?

^ not allowed to state publicly anymore, R90.

I suspect very few people like this person can get real treatment now even if they wanted to.

That would be an excellent thread. How do therapist treat people like this without being taken up on charges.

He makes me want to throw up

R34 one of their orgies must look like throwing a bag of skittles on the floor

Guys only stick their dick in crazy if said crazy is a hot piece of ass. Since that is not what's happening here, this person needs to find someone who fetishizes clownery. Maybe someone who identifies as a bozosexual!

A summary of the NYT piece:

aBloke: “ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME”

This man has nothing of substance to say. Zero intellect or insight. He is insufferable and ridiculous.

Doesn't he have an aunt who's a well-known academic?

Despite what you read on here, many gay men have confided in me that they find AVM irresistable. It is simliar to the magnetic pull str8 men feel to Jamie Lee.

What am I, chopped liver?

Sure, Jan

These 2 clowns were the flavor of the month a few years ago, and their/them/xer star is fading.

I wonder what they will morph into over the next few years to get attention...

If you think Alok and Jacob look horrifying now, wait until they're middle-aged with receding hairlines, jowls, bags and big guts, squeezing themselves into tube tops and miniskirts.

They already look like that, R102, especially Alok, who's always had a muffin top.

Nah, he'll find his masculinity again, or get Pete Burns levels of surgery.

The words 'beauty' and 'Alok' do not belong in the same sentence, ever.

Dick sucking lips!

Like Eddie Munster fell into a bucket of paint.

Can someone please explain what having blue, purple, green, and pink hair has to do with being a woman? Or at least “not male?”

I always think stuck in adolescence or middle school. Who can get the most attention for being the weirdest. Remember when it was who could get the most holes in their ears? The latest is the cross over between transgender, trans species & the newest Therianothropy(I kid you not).

As Alok & others loose attention they will morph into another something to get attention. Sad. Imagine being the parents of this person? Whew

This dude and his pal Jacob were young bright things 10 years go. Now they are aging weirdos. Two navel gazers, without any real purpose in life other than to pose for photos.

Yes, they're not getting any younger and of course they'll be replaced by younger weirdos.

Come and get it fellas!

r112 I just threw up in my mouth a little

R122 Is that Lourdes?

What’s his bag? Does he want us to pretend he’s a real woman or is he just a gender bender- minus the important sense of humor gender benders of the past had?

They make gay and even straight men swoon.

What a useless person

Oh God! Kill it with fire.

Kill THEM with fire R118. Get it right.

They is butt ugly.

Is they still whining that hot straight white guys won't fuck them or give them the time of day?

Giving Kathleen Turner in "Body Heat" vibes.

The combination of that nasty hair all over the shoulders, and the unappealing face, makes me hurl!

I know people can't help how they look but why show yourself off online when you look this bad?

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I think she's tremendous.

"Redefining Gender" lol.

[quote] He doesn't believe any of the nonsense he is spouting - he is in on the joke. He comes from a wealthy, doting family who pay for all his makeup and clothing as he doesn't need nor has he ever had a job that would earn him the income necessary to live in NYC.

He repulses me even more now.

God that photo from the OP makes Ms Michael Musto look like a supermodel. A fashion diaster of the highest order. It looks like The Joker had sun that wanted to really be Harley Quinn.

Alok is so damn unattractive. It's amazing how so many unattractive and useless people are constantly being pushed into our faces.

His rich parents must have constantly told him how wonderful and cute he is. This dude just wants attention, he has nothing new to say, plus, he sure isn't charming enough to look past his ugly face.

He's so gross, he should be living in a cave out in the boondocks.

Alok makes Bigfoot seem hot!

Those saying he doesn't believe any of the nonsense he's spouting - oh but he does, at least now. The way the nonbinary cliques work, he has constant affirmation from people telling him he's tremendous and amazing, and after awhile that sort of praise eats into your brain and you start believing your own bullshit. Anyone saying otherwise is written off as a jealous "hater" which just further affirms how wonderful you are.

Happens to CEOs of successful startups, too. They strike it big with luck and timing and then have people and press asking them for their business secrets and acumen and how amazing they must have been to bring their company to a billion dollar valuation, and suddenly they are the gods of their own religion.

I do think it's funny that Jacob Tobia was the one who was the hot shit nonbinary at first and seems to have been totally eclipsed by his fellow cosplayer, so much so that you rarely hear his name anymore. That's got to be burning him up inside with jealousy.

All these trans who moan about no one wants to f*ck me. Well, the dick wants what it wants. Of course with money & the appropriate drugs someone might be able to f*ck him. Save your pennies, pay for sex, there is a reason prostitution is the oldest profession.

With all that hair he is poised to challenge Naia Okami. I am Trans wolf, hear me Howl. Great plan I'd say as he gets less attention.

I canceled my subscription to the NY Times this morning.

Thing is, he is not hideous with the ridiculous makeup, hair and clothes.

Jacob Tobia was claiming ikea was transphobic because Tobia slept thru his scheduled delivery time and the delivery drivers left after trying to contact him.

Also he wrote on Twitter that trans women were entitled to sex and was ratioed. Classic incel thinking.

All these self-proclaimed 'trans activists' should be shunned.

R133 he was not attractive, and keep in mind underneath the schoolboy look lurks the body of a sasquatch. However I agree his old look was not vomit-inducing the way he is now.

He clearly suffers from poor self image and so he, like the other nonbinaries, go out of their way to make themselves uglier, because deep inside they think that if people think their new look is hideous, at least they aren't seeing the "real" them. Unfortunately with the rise of the gender movement you have an entire ecosystem set up to tell you how fabulous you are, and thus they end up believing that what they originally used as a defense mechanism is really amazing, and they're encouraged to never stop with the performative displays of gender.

All they are are rehashed Club Kids, but now it's "their true identity" instead of a costume for fun. That's the huge difference now is that rather than just doing things for fun it has to be tied into who you are, otherwise you're mocking someone else. But if it's who you are deep inside, then you can't be mocked in today's environment.

I wish they'd just admit they enjoy cross dressing and stop trying to claim it's some super special unique "identity".

[quote]All they are are rehashed Club Kids, but now it's "their true identity" instead of a costume for fun. That's the huge difference now is that rather than just doing things for fun it has to be tied into who you are, otherwise you're mocking someone else. But if it's who you are deep inside, then you can't be mocked in today's environment.

That is so true

[quote]All they are are rehashed Club Kids, but now it's "their true identity" instead of a costume for fun.

Beautifully put.

Alok is yet another trust fund turd who is ruining NYC.

R134 was it Tobia or Alok who wrote about kinky little girls (even writing this sounds bad )

r140 it was Alok who wrote something sick about little girls. I'm not going to look it up, but it's been mentioned in other threads.

Note who Twitter bans, btw

[quote]I do think it's funny that Jacob Tobia was the one who was the hot shit nonbinary at first and seems to have been totally eclipsed by his fellow cosplayer, so much so that you rarely hear his name anymore.

Jacob did have a memoir published, and was a voice actor in a She-Ra cartoon, but that was a few years ago now.

Alok is the one now getting chummy with Jamie Lee Curtis and Themi Lovato.

R143 right, he was the hot shit enby at the time, but has since been relegated to providing "massage services" to lonely truckers along Route 66.*

He came out with his book, did some speaking gigs, went on a book tour, etc... Then Alok came along with HIS book and I think he's had more than one, articles everywhere, writeups in major newspapers (this isn't his first), etc.

Whatever it is, it's not pretty. Looks like Mindy Kaling's even uglier sibling.

Christ, bras are not "traditionally feminine shapes " moron, they are support garments. Shove a woman in a jockstrap and does she have a traditional male shape?

He sounds like a dystopian parody. No humour with levity, only earnest humour allowed.

I’m not averse to excess body hair, it looks hot on someone like Jack Dixon, but it somehow looks gross on him.

Fucking pedo

Isn't he what so many LGBTQ+ ppl/groups and allies celebrate as some LGBTQ+ icon?

Yes, a pedo LGBTQ+ who's proudly showing off his pedo statement & agenda.

Why is gender bending always men with mascara and eye shadow on, painted nails. You are basically embracing stereotypical ideas of femininity. It seems like if you were erasing gender, you would just erase aspects that have previously defined your gender, shaved eyebrows, no make up. I think the who trans movement is just a group of people who are into crossdressing.

[quote]Why Can't My Famous Gender Nonconforming Friends Get Laid?

Because they're hideous freaks and the mere thought of having sex with them makes normal people want to throw up. The End.

R150 bingo

Don’t be jelly Hunties!

Kawaiiiii, yes?

Beauty & GQP Trans icon.

Alok, ask rich Mom & Dad for some bucks, because baby they way you look. Money will be the only way to git some lovin'

[quote] It seems like if you were erasing gender, you would just erase aspects that have previously defined your gender, shaved eyebrows, no make up. I think the who trans movement is just a group of people who are into crossdressing

That reminds me of the opening scene from Jodorowsky’s “The Holy Mountain”, where the Alchemist removes the hair, clothes and make-up from two women dolled up like Marilyn Monroe.

I would greatly prefer if no one attempts to removes the hair, clothes and make-up of Mr. Vaid-Menon.

What a sad, pointless life. Obviously he has no talent in the arts, music, acting, performance - nada. He has nothing substantive to say. All he can do is play with his dolls (his makeup and costumes).

I find that Brazilian fellow who wanted to be Barbie's Ken more interesting than Alok. And this guy walks the walk, unlike Alok who is all talk and no surgery (but of course, he doesn't want to disfigure himself). At least the other guy had the guts to go under the knife to live the dream.

Alok is a big phony and scaredy cat too. All his problems could be solved with some hard stainless steel.

The Brazilian fellow

What's surprising to me is that he is obviously a troll. Yet, there are people taking him seriously.

He's a degenerate pervert with a deep rooted resentment towards female children. He should be on a fucking list.

Blaire White isn't a "she," R65. He's male, but I do commend him for warning the plebs about Alok.

They/It/What/Why has a longer Wikipedia article than some Presidents. It reads like a PR sheet. Someone needs to give it a reality corrective.

R163 All written by himself

These people will be the end of the Democratic Party.

Lol R165. No one knows who this guy is, and no one cares. I doubt Alok Vaid-Menon and his forgotten sidekick Jacob will have any impact on how people vote.

Alok also came to rise at the same time Indians were getting more attention. I feel as if there has been a hard push of Indians in the West.

Found? He should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque

Fetching in Bouffant wig hunties!

Mommie, this lady is scary

[quote]After leaving Texas, Alok attended Stanford University where they graduated with a BA in feminist, gender, and sexuality studies and comparative studies in race and ethnicity,

In other words, "my parents are loaded and I will never have to work a real job a day in my life."

That's what this kind of degree means.

R171 I hate people who waste spaces at top universities for degrees they'll never really use or have no value outside of academia. True entitlement. Give the space to someone who will use it go into engineering or medicine.

Exactly r172. And some of those majors are a total joke.

[quote] I said this before when they had the article about the trans restaurant in NY: they are total suckers for this kind of thing at the Times. They really do seem to think this is all just *fascinating* and *innovative*. They just can't seem to recognize hucksters and scammers when they see them. It's so funny because New Yorkers like to think they're so worldly wise.

The New York Times isn't "falling" for anything. They publish crap about crap people who travel in the same crap circles they do. NPR does the same thing.

I saw a poster for a Chicago music festival featuring him as an “emerging icon”. Lol.

[quote] The New York Times isn't "falling" for anything. They publish crap about crap people who travel in the same crap circles they do. NPR does the same thing.

Also known as “In-group favouritism.”

If no-one wants to have sex with you, you’re neither beautiful, sexy nor charismatic.

“Beauty, for me, is what the natural orientation of the universe is returning to.”

Damn!

I decided to Google Images this person, and Christ, what an ugly toad. It's like Corporal Klinger with a much bigger budget.

I guess it beats selling cigs at your parent's BP, but not by much.

Cis men need to fuck me or they’re transphobic.

No bitch, it’s called consent and just like their dick, you ain’t getting it.

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Coming 4 y’all!

Can he just commit Sati and do us all a favor?

Is this the freak that said that little girls can be kinky?

R184: yes, see r169

Who wouldn't want to fuck this sizzling piece of ass? So HOTT!

I like the colorful combinations and jewelry.

Her best makeup yet, hunties!

Looking at this tedious creep sears my retinas!

He seems like the ultimate mansplainer.

Now who in the hell would hit that? Even for LOADS of dough, it would be a real tough hill to climb. The only adjective I can think of to describe this mess...Vomtious.

He looks like the lovechild of Steven Van Zandt and Ann Jillian.

[quote]He looks like the lovechild of Steven Van Zandt and Ann Jillian.

Please don't get those two decent humans involved in this hideous hot mess! They BOTH have talent!

WTF does this hideous excuse for a human actually DO except spend his wealthy parents money on clown clothes?

If you want everyone to refer to you as they, shouldn’t you refer to yourself as we?

Can you imagine meeting this person and how awkward it would be? I don't think I would feel comfortable for more than 5 seconds...if that.

He was born at the wrong time. I think that had he been around in the 70s, he could have gotten a bit part in a John Waters movie.

Nope. Not even Divine would touch this poodle shit.

And here we find a stunning and brave Alok again attempting beauty beyond gender.

You decide if they've succeeded.

He certainly won’t find it in the mirror 😈

I se Brides Today is as clueless as Bud Light