Harry and Meghan Meet the Queen and Prince Charles in Private Part 3

Someone on another site made a good point that this is probably Harry's way of getting out in front of bad news that is soon to come from the palace, i.e., the Queen only made a certain decision because she is surrounded by bad actors.

He is beyond delusional. What it's called I'm not sure there is even a word for it. God, how this will blow up in his face! . Man Netflix hitched its wagon to a bag of crap.

[quote] He has "a couple of photos" of her in the house, he said, and tells his children "all the stuff that happened".

Oh, that's helpful for the under fives....

[quote]Asked what he loved most about fatherhood, the Duke said: "the chaos, the learning, the reminder of every element of yourself and your soul."

If that kind of babble is what Netflix paid for, they should instruct accounting to take the loss now. Who needs seven parts of that? Yes, people will binge alright, but in the tradition of fingers down your throat.

And naturally he "shares" his deep concerns about the Queen with the world. We all know how much she loves that. He's so gross and self-serving. He was so much more lovable drunk, naked, and/or in a Nazi uniform.

What did he say about Saint Di?

I didn't watch the interview but just read the headlines, he said he feels his mother's presence more than ever. I do not know what that means.

Also Netflix's stock price tanked so much coz they lost so many subscribers and there is no interest in Harry and Meghan at all.

R6 It's probably all part of that Meghan as Diana 2.0 delusion -- he wants his mommy back, she wants the brave, sanctified, tragic, glamour of the mistreated, compassionate global princess of hearts.

^ Ack to that comma after "tragic." What I wouldn't give for an edit button.

I hate when stupid and "entitled" thinks it's smart because it's rich.

End this shit.

R8 Well said. Part of why those two were on a collision course and are soulmates really. Where is it going is the question.

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Netflix really wishes it had that $25 million back just about now.

He spoke to the anchor about his 'really special relationship' with the Queen - saying that his grandmother is able to talk to him 'about things she can't talk about with anybody else'

Despite portraying himself as one of Her Majesty's closest confidantes, Harry hinted that he will not attend his grandmother's Platinum Jubilee celebrations in the UK in June over ongoing 'security issues'

I love how he is making sure that the queen has the the right people around her. Lol. And if he deemed she didn’t?….

R13. If they really gave them 25 million. I would think they will let them loose once they release this documentary. They need to cut costs.

I can't believe there is any professional PR behind this absolute guff.

R14 What a vile and manipulative little bitch he turned out to be. Setting himself up as the confidant. I dread the "heartfelt" documentary and absurd spin that they'll be trotting out the second the Queen dies: "Granny: The Queen of our Hearts." As if she confides anything to this ginger dullard.

How the fuck would he even know what the Queen talks about to others? He is full of shit.

He's making himself out to be more important than he really is. The Queen would like to see his grandkids but he's using them as bargaining chips.

Apparently, one of the royal reporters stated on a morning new show that Charles and Camilla were in attendance with the Queen when she met with Harry. Another said the meeting was 'heated' and 'tense'. So, he did not meet alone with the Queen and it was not a pleasant meeting.

In addition, new footage from the Oprah interview has been released and in it Harry states that the Queen is getting 'bad advice'.

I laugh at him talking about the need to 'protect' his grandmother when he and his vile wife made a point about one of the Royals making racist comments about their son but didn't identify which one in particular, thereby putting forward the Queen as a potential candidate.

What is the demented doofus doing to "protect" the Queen? Did he call HR for help like he did when his wife was supposedly suicidal? Or did he give her a free session with BetterUp?

He may have been alluding to his uncle Andrew.

No matter what, he should have kept his mouth shut. He's causing trouble.

I'm sure he had a close relationship with his grandmother. Elizabeth II no doubt was more at ease with her grandchildren than her own children. Add to that, he was 12 when his mother died in a car accident. She probably took more of an interest in him and his brother, since they were in direct line of succession.

But if he had the best intentions of the monarchy in mind, Harry should have followed the advice of his grandmother for whom "Never complain, Never Explain!" is the Golden Rule...

Or follow the advice of Prince Albert of Monaco, who, after the Oprah interview, counseled Harry to work out the family problems behind closed doors.

This is for public consumption to promote their Netflix and Podcast ventures.

Amazing for a guy who despises the press and blames it for his mother's death. He still manipulates it to his own ends.

As has been said before here: "Unearned wealth and undeserved privilege"

The people of Santa Barbara embracing him? What a joke! It's not as if these two Bozos even moved to an upper middle class neighborhood in California. They plopped right down amidst the privileged of Hollywood and uber-wealthy of business!

Wished that they'd fade from memory...Then again, what would I post here on The Data Lounge!!!

The BRF has no one but itself to blame for not acting more swiftly to cauterise Harry after he left. She didn't take the title or issue LPs to ensure his kids didn't get HRHs . . .

Instead, the BRF have left rumours swirling about what happened and what didn't, Charles planning to bring Harry back and hand him Philip's ducal title, appearances on the balcony - with family members who would gladly push them off it . . .

The BRF don't seem to grasp that they owe it to the British public to make clear what is and isn't true, instead of leaving the tabloids the freedom to entrench in the public mind whatever gets the most clicks.

Charles is the one really on the back foot here. It's his leadership that is being called into question by the failure to challenge his son's lies.

The Palace can't keep assuming that ignoring shit like this will deprive it of impact.

Someone needs to tell the British public the truth, and release a statement saying that at no time has Harry ever had any say in the Queen's staffing, that most of them have been with her for many years, that Harry and Meghan will never again represent Britain or its monarchy, and that there are no plans to include them in any formal appearances with the Queen.

They cannot let this boil fester right under the public gaze.

There are no olive branches. This was the statement of a still enraged teenager who is still aiming at his family down the barrel of a shotgun.

Either the BRF move to make it clear he's out and for good, or they will go on suffering silent degradation of their institution.

And I wouldn't put money on either outcome right now.

All the articles about this on DM are "moderated in advance". Does anyone know if that is something DM decides or that his PR demands?

He wants his nan to give Angela Kelly the sack for being mean to his missus.

No fear, BonniePrince, there will always be another doofus pushing their way into your consciousness.

I'm going out on a limb here because this idea keeps popping up. Wouldn't it be the perfect attention grabbing tactic for Megs to be 'abducted'? And the drama that ensues RIGHT AROUND MID JUNE. And finally the tearful reunion. Don't laugh; she's crazy enough and hers and his tactics aren't working well.

Think about it. She does't think in the long term, just the immediate gratification of stealing headlines.

Netflix stocks plunge 30% on open as it heads for biggest drop in DECADE: Streaming giant sheds 200,000 subscribers in first quarter as viewers complain there's 'nothing to watch, it's too expensive and they have no interest Harry and Meghan's lectures'

Oh fuck this guy.

We are about to cancel Netflix, or downgrade to its most basic form (solely for “Ozark”). Nothing to do with the Sussexes, bust just because it seems they have about 100 titles to offer. They are running that shit into the ground, top-heavy with these big $$$ deals, and not enough to engage me to stay with them.

R29, Netflix has been Markled.

It doesn't matter how much tbe BRF gives him or withholds, the narc factory that is the Harkles will spin some made up garbage, such as insinuating that Chaz and William sren"t "protecting" the Queen properly. The mental illnesses on display are uncontrollable.

R25 His PR has no power to make demands on whether the DM does or doesn't moderate comments about him.

The truth is that Harry is suing ANL again for the story that his PR put out the story that he wanted to pay for police security once the story broke. He accused the DM in the court papers of stirring up a frenzy of animus in the unmoderated comments.

As the case is pending, the DM is probably watching its Ps and Qs in this.

But that doesn't mean they haven't allowed thousands of negative comments up. They have.

The comments, moderated or not, are running nearly 100%, not just in the DM, against Harry.

R28, she fits the profile of the kind of woman who does that sort of thing.

Interestingly, it seems she absconded with newborn Archie. This comes from the Australian press, which doesn’t seem as hogtied as British and American press.

Of course, she was under the watchful eye of the BRF and probably in the throes of postpartum distress. She could easily have another episode like this.

[quote]He spoke to the anchor about his 'really special relationship' with the Queen - saying that his grandmother is able to talk to him 'about things she can't talk about with anybody else'

If that's so, he is a shit to betray her confidence.

I find it hard to believe it's true.

The way Harry mumbles through the part about protecting the queen comes off as something he was told to say and feels slightly embarrassed by uttering it. That's why I think Meghan or their PR company came up with this latest howler. I can't imagine how exhausting it must be for a 96-year old woman to have to deal with the continual nonsense put out by Dim and D-List.

He stuttered A LOT when he said that the US was his home for now. He could barely get out the words and actually Hoda had to repeat it.

California was probably a wonderful novelty at first, but is sick of it now. Being home sick isn’t just an impression.

R36 Agree, his delivery was sheepish. Meghan probably wishes SHE could get out there and say all this stuff. Eventually she will.

R35 it's particularly shitty because he knows that she would never publicly correct him on this. So he can safely babble on with his heroic, compassionate "truths" knowing they won't be challenged by the Firm. And he keeps it just vague and innocuous enough do that there's nothing to really "challenge." Poor Queen. She deserves better than this at this stage of her life. And she thought 1992 was her "annus horribilis."

*so

So, now there are several competing narratives on Harry's little visit, all being circulated by journalists insisting that they have the real story.

Harry met with the Queen alone whilst Meghan cooled her heels in another room.

No, he and Meghan had tea with the Queen.

He only saw his father for 15 minutes and only because the Queen insisted, and Camilla joined them halfway through.

No, Harry or Harry and Meghan were joined for tea with the Queen by Charles and Camilla.

They can't all be true, and it is unlikely that anyone but the direct parties were in the room.

And of those, only one is talking so the only prime facile evidence is f tu on the perspective of someone who is clearly interested in presenting a story that benefits him and smears the other witnesses.

Let's not forget that Meghan and Harry lied to the public, and Meghan in court papers, about their direct involvement in Scabies' book. The Sussex's very "fluid" relationship with the truth is already in the public record.

So the BRF is leaving the public narrative of the eventcto the person most interested in spinning it to their disadvantage unchallenged.

At this point, it's a counter-productive strategy, in my view.

The public deserves, at this of all junctures when so much else seems to be collapsing, some straight answers from the very institution that is supposed to represent stability regardless of other social collapses around them.

^*only prima face evidence of the event

[quote] I didn't watch the interview but just read the headlines, he said he feels his mother's presence more than ever. I do not know what that means.

It means Meghan has a blond wig which she pulls out of the closet when she wants to fuck with Harry’s mind. She puts it on and threatens that if he doesn’t behave, she’s going to call Martin Bashir and spill her guts.

“I don’t know what I was thinking when I married him. His family let him wear a Nazi uniform to a party. And there’s those pictures of his grandmother and great-grandmother doing the Nazi salute in their back yard. The German is strong in that family.”

R39 Actually. she has challenged one of his lies, at least, the Lilibet name conversation.

The other lies from the Oprah interview were listed almost immediately after by the media, and all it needed was the now legendary "recollections may vary" response.

But Harry's statements here actually do present factual lies that should be challenged, as they insult her judgement, her loyal staff, and the rest of the family, and directly state that Harry has direct power over who is retained by the royal household to serve the Queen.

They CAN respond. There is nothing whatsoever stopping them from releasing a statement that in light of the many confusing stories that are circulating, the Palace would like it to be known that . . .

And just tell the public the fucking truth for once about who met whom, that Harry has never had any power to direct who serves the Queen, that there are no plans for the Sussexes to represent Britain or the monarchy ever again, Edward will receive the DoE title "in the fullness of time", and the only invitation of participation in Jubilee events are private family ones such as the Thansgiving service in Westchester Abbey. We hope this dispels the many conflicting stories now circulating."

It would leave him and Netflix with egg all over their faces, and make clear to the public where Charles intends to take the monarchy.

The BRF need to grow a pair and after a statement that viciously untrue and arrogant, cut the legs out from under Harry so high that he'll never walk again.

I'm going about today's to do list and in the back of my mind is this crazy interview. The arrogance... he's checking she's in the right hands... got the right people around her... what the hell? Maybe they are still close but if he can't see the turmoil he's caused and tries to sell happy families and Lord Protector. What a dick.

I am inclined to agree with whoever said this is some kind of PR strategy. An appalling, talentless, vile pair.

The BRF don't need to stoop to his level and talk about the configuration of a soecific meeting. As the Jubilee approaches the Queen will make a magnificent statement of reflection, including various notes on moving forward, which will include items like removing Hazbo from COS and so on.

They cannot "cut the legs out from under" him, whatever thst means. He is a free, severely mentally ill man who will continue being loud and mentally ill for the rest of his life.

[quote] He spoke to the anchor about his 'really special relationship' with the Queen - saying that his grandmother is able to talk to him 'about things she can't talk about with anybody else'

What could those things possibly be???

"Harry, I can't talk about this with anyone else but you, even with your aunts Anne and Sophie... but sometimes I feel, you know, not so fresh..."

[quote]What it's called I'm not sure there is even a word for it.

Pussywhipped!

Anyone else think he just torpedoed the trip back for the Jubilee? Of course, anything could happen at this point.

What a petulant, delusional narcissist this man-child is. He has once again spit in the face of his father, brother, every courtier, every adviser, every highly trained and loyal equerry and page who have served the queen with unwavering fealty. The only thing she needs is protection from HIM.

That being said, the old bird has no one to blame but herself. She enables this rotten behavior. When the Harkles left, she should have rescinded all honors and let it be clear in no uncertain terms that he and his adventuress wife were OUT. Parliament punted the ball back to her when the topic of taking away his titles was brought up. It’s high time she gets a spine and shows there are consequences to disloyal, destructive behavior. Ignoring these pernicious actions is a slap to the citizens she claims to serve (and who fund her lifestyle).

The only solution is the one I have already proposed. When the Heir has Heirs of his or her own, the Spare is humanely euthanized. Harry, we'll see you at the Rainbow Bridge.

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yes, when asked about his home etc, he definitely fucked up that one. I didn't even know what he said and had to read the article for the answer. He is a shit actor...he's fucked up his life, what a fucking idiot.

I've said it before, there is one person above all with whom I'd like to have a conversation about this whole saga, and that's Trevor Engelson. Although I bet whenever anyone dares to bring up the subject with him he just rolls his eyes to the heavens and goes, "Oh, GOD."

R51 Almost better would be a public Netflix announcement that they've dropped the Sussexes.

And he's talking about burnout! He fears that's what will happen to him!

Don't you know he's working sooo hard!

I bet he's definitely missing his carefree and stress free life in the UK where he could just do fuck all during the day and drink all night with his buddies in the pub.

Now he has to work and get nagged on all fucking day by the his wife and take care of his kids.

Say what you will about Piers Morgan, but this old piece was pretty spot on.

This is what happens when a certain kind of person tries to express a simple notion as a profound statement.

Instead of a polite, understandable 'I try to follow my mother's example" you get "first she set up William and now she's sorting me."

You are not a philosopher. You are a wanker.

R8 That reminds me of the moment in that Panorama interview when, asked if she thinks she'll ever be queen, Diana fake-stammers, "I'd like to be a Queen of people's hearts, in people's hearts." She knew she couldn't come right out and say it, but you just KNOW she was convinced the next day's tabloids would run with it and blare "QUEEN OF HEARTS" - take that, Elizabeth! She was at times as calculating, manipulative and delusional as her dopey son and his wife. The difference being, she had some legitimate beefs.

oh my, the RF should get a refund on his education, what a waste!

This interview descends into farce.

It makes everyone look ridiculous: Harry. Netflix, the interviewer, the tabs who ran huge stories about olive branches and healing family rifts, and, unfortunately, the Queen and Charles (the Cambridges were, quite sensibly, out of the country at the time).

And, to paraphrase what the film director in The Godfather said:

"A Queen and future King cannot afford to look ridiculous."

Can you imagine being raised by a man in his late thirties who believes that his long dead mother actively participates in your family life?

Lady Colin Campbell is salivating over this latest mess. She claims her royal sources told her Camilla was present and that the meeting was short, uncomfortable and absolutely nothing of substance was discussed It was a freeze-out.

If that's true and he's said what he said... what game are the RF playing?

He is batshit crazy along with his dominating sleeze of a wife.

you never know but I wonder if the conversations were taped. They may have bugged the room they were having tea in? or maybe Harry secretly recorded something? who knows?

Her Majesty's Govetnment has weighed in on Hazbo's assertion that he alone is "protecting" HM from evil forces: something about wanker, gormless, cunt and titface.

R63 Nobody in their right mind would ever trust those two nitwits, so I believe Lady Campbell

Jesus Christ Harry comes across as a nut job with a messiah complex. I don't know about in America but here in the UK Harry's comments have landed with a MASSIVE thud. Even outlets that have been very sympathetic to Harry and Meghan are basically going "what the hell?" Media commentators are openly calling him delusional. It's also very telling that only about 2:00 minutes of this interview was actually focused on the Invictus Games and the rest about Harry and the royals. It absolutely seems like his visit to the Queen was nothing more than a PR stunt to give him talking points. Also he's frequent mentioning of Diana is a way to play to American audiences who are still obsessed with her. His comments about her "done" with William is a subtle dig to suggest only he is Diana's legitimate legacy. I think he has honestly blown any chance of being on the balcony for the Jubliee. I no longer think the UK public will tolerate it.

#Harrysinsane is trending in the UK right now LOL

He probably thinks America is still obsessed with Princess Diana. Not sure that is the case.

He's been further brainwashed by that you know who...

Reading the many comments from royal writers and sone politicians, they agree with you about The Balcony R69. The internet is ablaze with laughter at his delusions.

He got the Kaiser Bill genes for sure.

His stupid statements not only slander HM’s staff and the family, but call into question Gran’s own mental faculties. What a sleazy worm Haz is.

Honda Kotb- “ Your Grandmother”

Harry did not correct Kotb’s inappropriate familiarity when she refers Q E II as his grandmother.

Harry, in response, should have referred to her as The Queen.

But, he didn’t.

Ok. Get out the plates, forks and knives. Turn the oven to OFF. The Sussexes are done.

R74 mixed with George III genes too.

He really is Charles and William’s biggest asset at this point. Who wouldn’t feel sympathy for anyone related to this clueless, whingeing cunt?

Is it really out of the realm of possibility that the BRF would send out someone to make a "set the record straight" type of statement? Someone not in the line of succession such as Anne? I know the whole "never explain, never complain" motto but WTF, why are they letting these two run roughshod over them?

Or more realistically, can they release a trusted employee from NDA and have them go out and contradict the diabolical duo point by point? Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal to all their accusation in the Oprah interview but was talked out of it. Couldn't they have a surrogate do it?

Unfortunately he may be like Trump. We always think he’s gone so far this time, he will be pushed out of public life. But the royal family family fails time and again to take that step.

Harry is implying both that a nation's Head of State is too frail/incompetent to do her job and that he is her close confident and runs things behind the scenes. The palace really does need to issue a definitive statement on the situation, confirm the Queen's continued fitness for her role and truly review removing him from whatever remaining official roles Harry currently maintains.

[quote] My sort of mantra now every day, and it is a dangerous one, because I need to make sure that I don't have burnout, but is trying to make the world a better place for my kids.

Burnout regarding what? Lounging around the backyard and feeding the chickens? These two do absolutely nothing.

Everyone is just laughing at him though r81. Nobody believes the shit he is trying to sell. Every time he speaks he just lets more people be aware of how stupid he is.

[quote] Honda Kotb- “ Your Grandmother” Harry did not correct Kotb’s inappropriate familiarity when she refers Q E II as his grandmother. Harry, in response, should have referred to her as The Queen.

The royal family excluding Margaret apparently almost never corrects people about things like that--the queen herself NEVER does, although she almost always correctly refers to members of her family by their titles in conversation.

Royal etiquette is not supposed to be a kind of social weapon royals turn on other people (although Margaret delighted in doing that because she was so insecure herself). It's supposed to make people feel comfortable around royals so they know they're doing the right thing.

This was exactly the issue when he returned last year for his Grandfather’s funeral and the Diana statue unveiling. The media is aware of everything immediately as his PR company are informed within minutes. Any members of the BRF have been told they cannot be on their own with him, as they need witnesses to everything that is said. They can’t trust him.

[quote] Is it really out of the realm of possibility that the BRF would send out someone to make a "set the record straight" type of statement? Someone not in the line of succession such as Anne? I know the whole "never explain, never complain" motto but WTF, why are they letting these two run roughshod over them?

They would not do it this way--the closest they've ever come to correcting anyone directly is the hilariously dismissive "Recollections may vary" account which they had to do because they were accused of racism (they had to signal too they would not put up for any more of that).

What's more likely is that they will leak through unnamed sources a correction as to how things went. I think they're already doing this to some extent.

The thing is that the monarch always has to take the long picture--no matter what bullshit Harry feeds the press, their actions in the long term will speak louder than words of denial would.

The other thing is that at some level the BRF does not even CARE that much about Harry and Meghan. How could they possibly affect the way the monarchy runs things? The press is losing their appetite for their hijinks, and the two of them have learned they have far less appeal to the masses than they thought they had.

H&M are too fucking predictable. They get a wave of good PR and then they open their mouths. To make these comments the day before the Queen's birthday ... I mean!

Is it possible the visit was a complete ambush with film crews in tow? Perhaps the royal family had to decide at that moment whether to be caught on film refusing contact with them?

Jesus CHRIST:

[quote] On his late mother Princess Diana: 'It is almost as though she's done her bit with my brother and now she's very much, like, helping me. Got him set up. And now she's helping me set up. That's what it feels like, you know? He's got his kids. I've got my kids, you know the circumstances are obviously different. But now, I feel her presence in almost everything that I do now. But definitely more so in the last two years than ever before. Without question. So she's watching over us.'

He can't even share their mother's ghost? Fuck William, right?

[quote] He spoke to the anchor about his 'really special relationship' with the Queen - saying that his grandmother is able to talk to him 'about things she can't talk about with anybody else'

Harry, there are days when I want a big black one. Does Meghan know of any nice gentlemen of the darker persuasion?

ITV is generally the most sympathetic outlet towards Harry and Meghan and even they are like WTF his wrong with him. They even criticized Hoda for not following up on Harry's claims.

Lady Campbell made an interesting remark. She said she would not be surprised in the least if H and M miss the Jubilee claiming M has suffered another miscarriage. Anything to spin their freeze-out and to direct attention to themselves.

r92 I'll see your miscarriage and raise you an attempted kidnapping or security scare of some sort.

We are being drip fed photos of Smeg with the kids she was forced to interact with. Her bloated, smug face as she performs for the camera is hilarious.

"Ever since Prince Harry married the “Yoko Ono” of the royal family in Meghan Markle it’s just been one “burning dumpster fire” after another for him, says Commentator Liz Storer."

I can understand why he wants to see the people who are around the Queen.

They allowed prince charles and camilla to give Covid to the Queen. And it was right after charles and william's staff were so busy telling the tabloids all their big plans when charles becomes King and all the big plans they both have for their inheritance.

The Queen can barely walk now. Good going charles. Your plan worked. Mummy is almost dead.

If Meghan was in the room, how did the Queen confide those things that she can discuss only with Harry?

Agenda for 13 April 2022 Meeting of HM the Queen and HRH Prince Harry -CONFIDENTIAL

1. Continuing as a constitutional vs absolute monarch -pros and cons

2. Dating and remarriage (respectful period for Prince Philip)

3. Line of succession (Sussex vs Cambridge pros and cons)

4. Proposal to christen Lilibeth on the balcony of Buck House during Jubilee Celebration

5. Future religious orientation and potential implication for headship of church

6. How to raise profile of the Duchess of Sussex

Thanks, R91. They were good commentators.

Plus, Tom Swarbrick is cute and dishy!

A theology degree from Cambridge? Please tell me he's family!

Does Harry realize what a nutcase he sounds like? Or is that normal for people who live in Hollywood? And how does he protect her in the UK when he lives in LA?

I don't this has any bearing on the Queen's competence. That is really a stretch. Of the two of them, whose competence would you rank higher? He's lost it.

I think the BRF is in a very tough spot because there is indeed a grain of truth at the center of Harry’s bluster: Prince Charles and his household have been taking over more control of the crown, as the Queen deals with her health problems, but does not want to publicly admit this. It fits these various factors we know:

- The Queen has been struggling with her health but will never voluntarily relinquish her rule because of the sacred promise she made to her subjects as a young woman.

- Prince Charles is next in line, and thus logically would step up to make decisions if the Queen was not able to. Prince Charles has, in the past, wielded influence on his mother’s staff, such as seeking to remove some of her advisories. (Not saying this is necessarily wrong! Could be totally proper.)

- Harry has a very poor relationship with his father but venerates his grandmother and would be paranoid and suspicious (not to mention hostile) if Charles began making more decisions for the Queen.

I read Harry’s comments as trying to imply the Queen is being pushed around by people he dislikes. The Queen would never want admitted that she’s needed to place some authority in Charles’s hands while she still rules. And so Charles can’t really come out and explain what’s going on, even if he wanted to and he thought his influence was totally defensible.

I wonder if we're past a point of no return with those two. Maybe they will say anything now in service of their own goals. Maybe they will go to the jubilee, fully aware of how they're seen and revelling in it, hoping for bad behaviour so they can play victim back in the States. There's always a risk when you're on the outside that you stop resenting it and start enjoying it. His interview was inappropriate before you consider the truthfulness. Maybe he now has no fucks to give and they're going for broke. I mean, they lose in the end, but maybe they don't care... it's vandalism now?

Except that H doesn't actually care about the Queen. This is all for self promotion and money. If he cared about HM, he wouldn't be carrying on like this.

R102, she's been delegating aspects of the role for at least a decade. She has no problem devolving.

I seriously believe Harry has gone off whatever meds he was on before. In his recent interviews he sounds both paranoid and an egomaniac. His comments about California being his home for now either represent a desire to move back to the UK or could also suggest the rumours he and Megz are planning a move to NYC are true. As his comments about people surrounding the Queen, I think this was a throw away passive agressive line because he blames the "men in suits" for denying him his half-in/half-out desire.

Helpless 96 year-old women, legless war vets, biracial basic bitches: Harry SAVES them all!

My 2cents: the palace brilliantly released the H/M are invited to balcony as preemptive measure against them before they could whine about how badly the meeting went.

And I suspect the meeting went spectacularly bad. That explains H’s rush to do interviews and Ms nonsense speech about service.

These two are f*cked—and after the meeting with Charles, they can no longer delude themselves that they aren’t.

That Harry autobio is written—that’s done. He can’t take any awful stuff back at this point. It’s over for these two. If they had managed to have any success in the past two years they wouldn’t need H’s family. But they stumbled from failure to failure and now the one remaining bit of hope for their “brand” (god, I hate how they describe themselves as a brand)—their fragile connection to the RF—is completely devastated.

What a couple of self destructive, self important fools.

I think Harry does care about the Queen, but he’s extremely selfish, ignorant, and paranoid, so he thinks only he knows and acts in her best interest. And in a family with very high stakes, that comes across as playing the Game of Thrones instead of just being an irritating Thanksgiving dinner table guest.

While looking like they both smell of bad BO and desperation.

Well, it seems like good PR strategy for the US audience (probably scripted by Meghan), to mention his special bond with the Queen and portray himself as her protector. The Queen is beloved, and they've been trying to connect themselves to her (while simultaneously trashing the monarchy and his other relatives) ever since they left England.

When she's gone, they'll continue singing her praises while hoping that King Charles fucks it all up on his own. Charles and William will definitely have a harder time garnering public sympathy once the Queen is gone.

How can Harry protect TQ when he himself claims that he needs more security?? And no, Meghan was not in the room, which you know incensed her, and which I suspect is what has spurred this latest word spew.

Maybe he’s trying to deflect in advance the blame and scorn he’s going to get when she goes.

Archie's future therapist: "Is Granny Diana in the room with us now?"

Lock him in a room with Meghan McCain. They can scream "My mum! My father!" at each other until they're out of oxygen

"Fuck me, right?" - Doria, the only grandparent, or even relative, these kids have met

Harry said “both Meghan and I had tea with her” so, sadly, she was not cooling her heels in the anteroom.

He's going to be in trouble for not calling her "duchess meghan."

The fragrant and lovely Mr. Swarbrick was an official "Advisor" to the hapless PM "Treeser" May from 2016-18. For what that was ever worth. Maybe his advice was great, but she certainly never took it.

I am curious about the autobiography. The author is not a hack like Scobie. Is the author hired by Harry or the publisher? Who has final say over the edits?

R117 Haz said Sparkles was in the room? Must be true then.

He-bitch Harry and his hag strike again.

I can't imagine an author of his caliber would agree to write a hagiography, R120. Although, you never know, he may be a deluded stan.

Maybe Meghan was in the room for part of the time. Although why would make any difference - they wouldn't trust Harry to keep any secrets from her anyway.

Camilla Tominey, in the Telegraph, writes: "But without elaborating on who he was referring to, more seasoned royal watchers surmised that he was once again taking aim at the Queen’s private secretary, Sir Edward Young, who he singled out on Oprah for giving Her Majesty “some really bad advice” in the lead up to his departure from official royal duties.

Blaming his grandmother’s aides for her allegedly uninviting him and Meghan from lunch at her Sandringham Estate in January 2020, he said he was told “do not come up here” to the Queen’s residence by Sir Edward shortly after Her Majesty personally invited him and Meghan to visit and discuss their intention to step back from “The Firm”.

He added, conspiratorially, that the Queen herself then told him there was “something in her diary” that meant she was busy when they had expected to come – but that he didn’t “push” her because he “kind of knew what was going on”.

While one source suggested his comments will have “infuriated” the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge, the consensus is that the barbs weren’t aimed at family."

She also says a half hour was spent.

OMG This is funny!!!!

The upcoming Netflix biopic of Harry is more promising than expected.

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I didn’t hear a thing because I did this R97.

How much of the loony things Harry says is from him and much of it comes from Nutmeg?

The comedians have arrived to the thread, I see.

That collage does suggest some very clever seduction tactics. The most hilarious and damning image is the humanitarian pose in Africa with the white shirt, the sunglasses, hands on hips, tragic expression.

The pompous ass has arrived.

Looking at you R131.

Imagine having the gall to publicly say "my dead mother is only looking after me, not my brother"

Harry already has first divs on the Queen’s ghost. What other person can her ghost confide in?

[quote]The Queen would never want admitted that she’s needed to place some authority in Charles’s hands while she still rules.

Honestly?

She has known form the moment she gave birth to her first son that she would "place some authority`` in his hands as her rightful successor. Its called a regency, and no, there won`t be a trumpeted confirmation of this anytime while she is alive. She is the Monarch until the day she passes away.

P.S. for the 1 billionth time ... The Queen does not rule. She REIGNS. Please repeat that to yourself at least 100 times if necessary.

Diana's spirit only just arrived two years ago when Smeg conjured her spirit via Ouija board. There were some false alarms prior, including Pazuzu who took one look at the Harkles and said "no way."

R34 of course she fled to George Clooney’s mansion —a guy she barely knows—instead of to her mothers home or that of a longtime friend. Her desire to leverage victimhood to be accepted by the A list knows no bounds.

The Harkles need a visitation from the Queen Mother’s ghost.

In all fairness R137, George Clooney has a cellar full of tequila.

Do we still have to set a place for Granny Diana? She never eats anything.

I want to go all the way with my boyfriend tonight. You know what Daddy says about Granny Diana always being there? Do you think that’s really true?

That's Archie talking, right? R140

You know Harry is believing his Mother’s ghost roams his mansion nightly calling out his name and telling him he must move all his assets into Meghan’s name! Meghan has used sophisticated plots from complex mysteries (such as Scooby Do) to hatch that hoax!

The family circle of the Sussexes seems to be composed primarily of the dead and nearly dead.

Harry's cover on People mag.

^ Wow, he looks spectacularly ugly and insane. I liked his furry ginger arms in the Hoda interview, though.

R123 Bucks, lots of them.

The publisher hires the ghost writer.

The assigned editor will usually discuss substantial changes with the author.

Am I the only one who thinks he spent more time talking to Hoda than he spent with the Queen?

He’s so dumb he probably didn’t even speak to The Queen. They probably showed him into a palace room and had a Butler under the table with a grey wig on a sock puppet who he spoke to for 15 minutes.

He probably spent more time talking to Hoda than je to Meghan on the last month.

The People Cover is throwing shade. He looks demented.

R145. Stifle it. That’s the face of a vibrant and youth-oriented global brand of compassion.

The remarks about Diana make it impossible for Harry to hide his mental illness, or for anyone to take the rest of his remarks seriously because of it.

Wtf does "set my brother up" even mean?!

He's talking about Diana as if she were Mary Poppins, a magical being flitting from one troubled household to another when her work at the previous one is done.

She's been dead for a quarter of a century.

If William is "set up", it's because he grew up, and was able to slide out of the coils of the mythological mother, and move on.

Of all the crap that has dropped out of this stunted clown's mouth, this is probably the saddest. I don't doubt he believes it, which is why it's the only time I've felt truly sorry for him.

It's not Meghan who has Harry by the balls, it's Diana.

There's no therapist alive who can cut him loose, either.

The great sainted golden-haloed Diana that Harry idiolises is in fact his Doom. She will keep him an angry child for the rest of his life.

I wonder if William understands just what a lucky escape he had.

I also wonder if Netflix execs have been able to pick their heads up yet from their desks, as they watch Harry, in a few hours, flush gown the crapper whatever momentary credibility their Invictus star got from a Visit With Gran and the IGs.

The sad little ginger Brillo pad covering the vast expanse of hairless scalp is really tragic. He’d look much better cropping his hair short, but I suppose that wouldn’t fit his youthful image.

I’m surprised Megs hasn’t sourced an ethical purveyor of hair transplants for him yet though.

That cover at R144 made me let out an audible "yeesh..." when all I could focus on was how close together his eyes are.

R138 Sorry, busy making drinks

Here's what I think he'll claim in his book:

He's going to blame his father for Diana's death.

He's going to claim William was beset with jealousy over his and Meghan's "popularity."

He tried to kill himself several times.

R152 it’s his wife and that revolting PR company who keep forcing him to talk about his Mother. As you say she’s been dead for 25 years and realistically he wouldn’t keep speaking about her in that way. He’s just repeating words he’s been trained to say.

It looks like his face is swallowing his features on that cover. How was this cover approved?

R157, I agree. He just parrots back phrases, like California being home. He said that with zero conviction whatsoever.

In fact, the only sincere things about him at the moment are his evident unhappiness and his deep resentment of his father and brother.

He makes it hard to pity him, but it must be terrible to be filled with so much bitterness.

Whoa that People Mag. cover!! His eyes are creepy scary.

And imagine how many shots they had to choose from & this was the best.. Wow Really. I know we joke that he is a mental. But Bloody 'ell he is! All the RF need to protection around them ANYTIME he might be around!

He’s always been so incredibly spoilt and these ‘spare’ members of the royal family can have something really unpleasant about them. Andrew and Margaret being the same. Ultimately they are bitter because their older siblings are primed for glory and they are not.

R156 Very plausible. Charles must be filled with such dread of this book, particularly the Diana stuff, which no doubt still troubles him to his core. Harry is an extremely angry guy.

R157 I don't doubt Meghan encourages his beliefs about Diana, or that his PR machine tells him to keep the association front and centre.

But I doubt very much that his handlers told him to make a statement about his mother in the terms that Harry just did in this interview. They couldn't possibly have scripted something they would have known makes him look like he should be in a strait jacket.

"Yeah, and don't forget to mention Diana, kid, okay?"

"No, no, not like that, oh God, cut the mike off, cut the mike off!!!!!!" (Buries head in hands.)

That was pure Harry. No PR handler who didn't privately hate his client would have scripted that.

I'm half-expecting Harry to demand that Diana's body be moved to California to be with HER REAL FAMILY

I think the snarky comment about wanting to protect TQ and make sure she’s surrounded by the right people is a dig at her dresser Angela Kelly. Kelly was “that woman” who wouldn’t produce Meghan’s wedding tiara on demand and led to one of the first Palace leaked stories that Harry had gone off the rails ranting about “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.” He is a spoiled little brat and he can’t stand how close TQ is with Ms. Kelly. TQ firmly backed up her staff and left Harry looking petulant and foolish for the first of many times. Charles and William might just roll their eyes at this point, but TQ’s personal staff are dedicated, loyal companions and Harry is too stupid to realize that he is the unwanted element here not them.

"This whole working from home stuff...it's not all it's cracked up to be."

Oh do tell us H how it differs from your previous life, going out to the coal face every day were you?

Seriously. I agree R166. Like when has he ever in his life had an office or job to go to??? He would go to events or tours, but other than a meeting here and there I doubt he's ever worked M-F in his life.

R162 Charles needs to iver his fear of what Harry will say and do whatever is necessary to protect the monarchy and the Cambridges.

If Charles really is that hamstrung by his fear, then he should step aside for William, who clearly isn't.

Attacks on a father who isn't going to be King will lose impact, attacks on the hugely popular and attractive new reigning couple will backfire and come off like the sour grapes they are.

It would solve lots of problems, starting with the HRHs for the Sussex kids. And it would put a man in charge who isn't scared of Harry.

I forced myself to watch it. I thought I needed to if I was criticizing. God he looks trollied. I'm not sure if he is trying to semaphore without the flags or using his very own verion of sign language.

No one has mentioned Harry’s comment that Archie is now in his “why?” phase. I think that phase could last a lifetime in this case.

It’s convenient when the dead parent can be assumed to agree with or support whatever Harry wants to do or say.

[quote]Harry did not correct Kotb’s inappropriate familiarity when she refers Q E II as his grandmother.

The address of "Her Majesty, the Queen" is seen as excessively congratulatory and snitty outside of Commonwealth countries and even within.

I'm amazed that addressing QEII as the great-grandmother that she is, by an American TV host who has no adherence to royalty, their standards, or protocol got crapped on by Della, a Wisconsin native who likes her team to be socialistic (municipality managed).

Hypocrisy reveals itself easily and stupidly, ceaselessly.

R172. “the queen” is a perfectly neutral and acceptable alternative.

What the these two nitwits realize is that silence is their most powerful weapon at the moment. Clearly, someone advised them on this over the past several months because they've kept relatively quiet.

But they've been rattling like angry tea kettles in the background....just waiting to blow.

Now, because they simply couldn't shut up and instead tried to control the narrative--which they've failed miserably at each time they've tried--the Palace will let leak the real details of the meeting (or real from the RF's perspective).

I'm deeply grateful to H/M for providing endless entertainment. Selfishly, I was not happy they were quiet these past few months. Delighted that we are gearing up for a truly madcap ride: Jubliee drama! Harry autobiographical drama! Meghan bio drama! And H/M bungling through each crisis.

He has to fuck Smeg on the daily. Of course he looks like a miserable cunt.

I really doubt she’s pining for his companionship.

I hate Dan Wootton, he's such a screaming conservative Queen, but he's right in his comments on Twitter that Harry looks dead behind the eyes. Hoda was clearly trying to get a joke out him like the old Harry would've done, but he couldn't seem to be bothered. I suspect he's doing this interview to make the wife happy.

Yes but did the Queen ask if Meghan was okay?

DL Fav Camilla Tominey weighs in. BTW the press in the UK today has been THE WORST I have ever seen for the Sussexes.

Why did you leave the "Her MAJESTY" part out, r173? The part that reveals her alleged status among mere mortals, not the title?

No. But she did ask, ‘Have you come far?”

Why has no one ID'd the silver Fox next to Harry in the stands???

R180. Because she’s head of state. Just as you might refer to “president Biden” or “the president “ rather than “father”.

From The Times .... their sources are telling them basically the Sussexes are going to keep the pressure on the monarchy until they get their "half-in/half out deal" they wanted to start with.

r184, Well deluded H seems to think the Queen is an autocrat. There is no way on god's green earth that Whitehall will allow it.

R184 - I don't think there will be anyone in the Royal Family who will want these two clowns to work "in" the Firm in ANY capacity. They've burned too many bridges. They constantly show that they are not worthy of any royal perks. They cannot be trusted to keep their mouths shut.

Sorry here is The Times link

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Is that Brillo pad head a comb over or Topik?

A favorite Dan Wootton quote: "Prince Harry's cheeky spark is vanishing faster than his hair".

[quote]Just as you might refer to “president Biden” or “the president “ rather than “father”.

Do you really believe an American (or British, or any other nationality journalist) would interview Chelsea Clinton with her father's titles? Instead of referring to him as her father, dad, etc? "The President of the United States?". Redundancy and plain ol' doesn't work "in the States.". And referring to a person by his/her/their familial status is perfectly polite if done so in a mannerly fashion.

I think it is a few stray hairs, teased to the heavens.

The half-in/half out arrangement is not really the Queen’s to give. That is not really an option in a constitutional monarchy. Besides, that status wouldn’t work for them.now anyway. They are so tarnished royal appearances can’t redeem them.

Whoever said it upthread is right. They’re like Trump. Caught in lie after lied after exaggeration and it doesn’t even matter. They probably could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and get away with it.

Strangely, referring to him as ‘president of the United States’ is not a option I proposed

Hopefully his next interview will be with Emily Maitliss.

Wink once if you’re henpecked, Harry.

What leverage do the Sussexes think they have that would gain them the Half in/half out arrangement?

It's always his amazing wife.

R199, extortion. Probably something unsavory but true.

R100. She does amaze me.

The next gaff is something to do with tax issues based on Harry stating “Santa Barbara is my home”. Considering they kept the lease on Frogmore for some reason…

I always read Harry's comments in the Tim Nice but Dim voice. Only he isn't nice at all he's a twat.

r79 Charles wasn't talked out of that rebuttal statement- it was veteoed by the Queen.

Santa Barbara? Do they hobnob with the Capwells?

Even an interview with the fluffiest of interviewers lobbing him softballs, he still manages to put his foot in it.

Invictus Games started out as a nice sinecure for a member of the BRF which emphasizes service but once he became controversial, all mentions of him devolve to questions about his status with the BRF. As much as he might try to promote the games, his personal story is bigger and it will always overshadow the athletes. Maybe he should step back.

Several people walked away when the wife became involved.

R184 that makes perfect sense. So, these fools thought they could march into Windsor and issue demands that they be given a formal role in a family that they excoriated in an international broadcast. And then were shocked--shocked--when told to f@ck off.

Of course they want back in because they have failed so miserably outside of the RF. They must finally be realizing that being members of the RF was--literally--the only thing they had going for them.

The TIMES' source may be right that that is what the Sussexes think they are doing, but the fact it, that horse is in the next country. Essentially, what that programme in the Sussex vision entailed was that they get to cherry-pick high-profile causes they want to work for, and live half the time in North America making boatloads of money marketing the status they derived from the half-in bit.

If that's what they Sussexes think their attacks will get them, and assuming those sources are on the money, then they are more deluded than I ever thought them, which is saying quite a bit.

They've already made themselves the most detested member of the family except for Andrew. What would suddenly make them desirable even as part-time working royals? They've trashed the institution, they've attacked the next two heirs to the throne.

You can't go back over those sorts of burnt bridges.

Nothing they have done works in favour of that goal, so if that's what they're really aiming for, then they're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

That isn't even to begin taking into account the outrage of the other royals who will continue to do the heavy lifting on a year round basis.

That horse is in the next county.

R194 - I'm not sure that is the case. The proposal probably was considered by the Queen, and she is the one who gives out patronages, not Parliament. But a moment's thought probably showed how unworkable it would be, how unfair to the other working royals, and, lastly, the appearance of the monarchy supporting private money-making ventures supported primarily by connection with the monarchy.

I don't think it ever would have been a matter for Parliament. There were rumours that Charles would have considered it more strongly, which is partly why rumours persist that Charles wants to shove the Sussexes back down the public's throat.

Fortunately, Harry keeps throwing grenades that make it impossible. If Charles really did consider it, and if it took his mother to remind him that it would mean the monarchy supporting private money-making because of association with the monarchy, then he really isn't fit to defend the institution.

They'll be suing the Times for that piece.

They may not be booed on the balcony, but if they think the British public will welcome them back for regular royal engagements, they’re mistaken.

r193, You reminded me of Mr Teasy Weazy...fuck me I am getting old.

I said the backlash would be entertaining...

R117 - If Meghan was present, it pretty much guarantees that the conversation was shallow and anodyne. Even the Queen isn't too far gone to say anything significant except with Meghan in the room.

This is why the BRF need to treat the public with more respect and issue a statement about what did and did not happen. Yes, we realise it is a private family matter, but as Harry has chosen to discuss it on television, I don't see why the BRF shouldn't.

They shouldn't say anything because it feeds the drama. The Thernardiers are losing the PR war, looking more petulant and selfish with each ham-fisted, inappropriate stunt. The RF just sits back and lets them debase themselves. Besides which, as somebody pointed out, that book is written and its too late to change anything. The publisher wants his money, like Netflix does. If the RF is gonna open fire they're not going to do it over this... they know where the worst lies.

Haz lives "up in Santa Barbara." SB is not up unless your frame of reference is LA or Malibu.

With this nugget, can we infer that his private security lawsuit against his grandmother's government has been thrown out, seeing as hiw the UK is no longer his "home."

[quote]Besides which, as somebody pointed out, that book is written and its too late to change anything

Why do you think it's too late for a book coming out in the fall? Do you know something about the galleys the larger publishing community doesn't?

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The court of public opinion is almost all in agreement that Haz and Megs suck and want nothing to do with them. Especially in the UK.

The only leverage they have is using the race card and claim “Racists!!!” Other than that they have nothing.

He did again... they played the unnamed racist card and then he played the right people around her card.

Instant Screams of Racism is starting to lose its instant & devastating power in the US. See all the recent financial reveals about BLM, etc. Will Smith Slap, Jussie S. That quick go to silence tool isn't so strong anymore.. If Harry & Megs want to use racism again they will have to name names with receipts since the have a now detailed history of lies.

Note: Gayle King didn't jump to interview Harry this time. Hoda the nobody got to do it.

And yet the only royal that was such an idiot to film himself using racist language was Harry. He gleefully provided the press with the footage as he was so proud of his little racist self.

It would not surprise me one bit if Markle, during Harry's absence from California, has consulted a mega-expensive divorce attorney.

Especially after that Kotb interview.

I think TQ is waiting to let King Charles deal with Harry so it'll boost his popularity.

"Just one question before I pack/When you fuck it up later do I get my money back?" - Aimee Mann

WHOA! Harry needs to start sporting a cap.

He was summoned. Otherwise the Harks would have certainly leaked the visit prior to their departure from CA.

Sober Royal watchers are wagering the he was told he'd no longer be needed for the Council of State. The hope is that it also applies to Andy. And that they'll be replaced by Edward and Beatrice.

Beatrice?! No, please. Keep all of Andy, Fergie, and their children away from anything official, where they belong.

Hoda isn’t a nobody in her industry, it’s just that infotainment is a sniff-worthy industry to many people, including the royals. I think Harry’s somewhat humorless attitude toward Hoda, like his similarly humorless attitude toward Oprah, is less about him being “dead behind the eyes” and more about him not acclimating to the kind of B-list celebrity lifestyle, social group, and attendant expectations he slots into in the US. He used to giving the hand to the press or at least having strict class hierarchy in place when interacting with them, not playing along as an equal.

That sounds right. Looking forward to the beautifully written royal announcement.

A month ago.

H isn't just bitter and angry about being the spare. He is raging that no matter what they try, Meg isn't liked. He doesn't understand why people aren't falling in love with her. He sees it as racism.

He's an idiot.

They just keep digging. It’s really something to behold.

I miss the crazy Harry fans. They were a laugh, with the tales of international espionage and MadMeg running around in her nightdress getting arrested.

[quote] Lady Campbell made an interesting remark.

She's not Lady Campbell; she's Lady Colin. Believe it or not, there IS a difference.

[quote] Note: Gayle King didn't jump to interview Harry this time. Hoda the nobody got to do it.

Gayle king is more of a "somebody" than Hoda Kotb??

[italic]Please.[/italic]

Where be they?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Anne has the Queen's ear for much of this Harkle nonsense. She's very dedicated to The Queen, and the Monarchy, and as her daughter has a vested interest in the well-being of both.

What Harry refers to as 'getting bad advice' might just be 'bad' in his mind because he doesn't like it. And I expect Charles is weak with his son Harry. So, in my mind, its the ladies like Anne, Camilla, Kate, and Sophie helping The Queen.

I mean isn't that the way it is most big families? The woman run the show all the while letting the men think that they're the bosses.

I certainly do Anne carries a big stick when it comes to speaking to The Queen about family matters. Anne is no fool; she means business.

Gayle King's show rates 3rd. Hoda's bigger. But like with Trump, none of Harry's interviewers ever call him on his bullshit and lies.

You can't miss people you don't know. All Harry and Meghan are doing are ensuring that if push comes to shove, Charles will choose the family he has.

R132 Look, I get it. You're a gaggle of middle-aged ladies on here trading your little jokes, earnestly liking each others' posts, and having a good time. I will try to be tolerant so that I can enjoy the more thoughtful commenters.

I think Edward is very close to his mum also. She has a ton of family support. Princess Alexandra for one. Harry really thinks he is the shiz when he hasn't had anything to do with her for over two years.

R225 Now would be the time for some discreet inquiries.

Did the King and Queen of the Netherlands ever show up for Harry's little Netflix do?

It's okay Yankee Wally has it covered for the brf. She has made a video on Rumble stating that this is her last warning!!!!. If Harry Meghan and the two kids come to the UK she is going to attack them. She then shows a cartoon of her chopping tomatoes. Apparently projectiles aimed at a 3 year old and ten month old is okay. This is someone who has regular SM interactions with UK Royal Rota and is promoted in The Steeple times. An online media site run by one of Richard Edens close friends allegedly. This combined with Richard Eammons stating on UK TV Harry and Meghan need to be chucked of the balcony says it all. The casual justification of violence is laughed at. It's insane.

R247 No. Not even the rumour that the King's elderly Aunt, Princess Margriet, would attend either the opening or closing ceremonies.

No King.

No Princess.

R248 - Ah, Pet, we knew you'd show up sooner or later!

Tell you what: we'll put Yankee Wally in a cell with the nutjob who threatened to stab Camila Rominey AND her three children to death for criticising Meghan.

Funny, we never did get a comment from you on that one, which actually did generate a police action, did we?

Bye bye - Again.

This a pretty run of the mill story, when you think about it. Strip away the trappings and what have you got? The troubled, disappointing son marries the worst possible woman for what ails him. Protracted family discord ensues. An old story.

I'm still shaking my head over she-tells-me-and-only-me and I'm not related to that dickhead. Imagine what they had to say on the everybody-but-Harry-and-the-Yorks WhatsApp.

As Harry has announced he considers LaLaLand his home, what's to stop Parliament from stripping him of every single title? Wouldn't La Markle be furious!

Chelsea Davy should be deported for causing this.

R246 - All this divorce talk is the talk that, er, dreams are made of.

She will NEVER let go of Harry. This is the best gig she was ever going to get, she can't let go of that title which, in a divorce, she will lose.

She can't touch what's left of his trust fund because it existed before the marriage; she can only get what they've earned or brought into the marriage during it.

The BRF isn't going to help him like it helped Andrew if it comes to a settlement.

She isn't Diana, she's Fergie, although she'll probably get more than Fergie got.

She'll be a dumpy mid-forties harridan with a bad figure, bad hair, two fucked up kids, and a shelf full of medals for shafting anyone in her way.

No billionaire is going to want her. They can get women half her age with great legs, tiny waists, and big tits.

No matter how much she tries, her global brand isn't Netflix or Spotify or Archewell: it's Duchess Sussex.

Harry can't function on his own; he has two kids; she will never leave.

^^Camila Tominey

fucking autocorrect

Anne doesn't suffer fools gladly.

The British press were fawning over Harry last week, but they seem to have turned against him again:

Because Harry and his old shrew of a wife are assholes.

R253 - Titles aren't taken away because someone isn't a working royal or based in another country.

And what's stopping Parliament is that they would all rather have root canals without anaesthetic than get involved in this can of worms.

It would have to come from the Sovereign, who gave him the title in the first place.

The only real arguments for taking the title are 1) it was given on the understanding that he and his wife would after the wedding devote themselves to representing the nation and the monarchy, a promise they broke when they bailed after only two years - the bargain is broken, they don't deserve to keep the title, and 2) they have publicly insulted the institution and its three senior members, one of whom gave them the title, and the other two of whom are future Heads of State.

On that platform alone, the Queen could have put the Sussex title into abeyance, the way she did their HRHs. That would remove the need for Parliament to sign off on actually removing them formally.

But without the Queen's specific request, Harry would have to have been caught selling military secrets to Putin for Parliament to get involved on its own.

The race card is the likely suspect in the Queen's refusal to hold Harry fully accountable for his insulting, arrogant attitude and his ongoing vendetta against his family, including blatant lies, like the one he told about being personally involved in who HM's staff are - the fact that it was a not too thinly veiled potshot against the woman who IS the Queen's closest friend and confidante doesn't make the statement any less of a lie.

Harry living in California has nothing to do with his right to that title. And if she does remove the ducal title, he'll still be Prince Harry and Meghan will technically be Princess Henry - which she will of course never use because she's such a feminist, and the media will all start calling her Princess Meghan.

So that's where that dog is buried.

Snort

He just needs the American public to buy into his poor mistreated prince/son of Diana tale. That is where his projected income is coming from, only he isn't handsome or charismatic or appealling in any way. I just don't see it working. r248. Pass the smelling salts, somebody chopped tomatoes! Who the nick is Richard Eamonns when he's at home?

R261 - The "I see dumb people" one is especially entertaining.

@ the headline link, I love "The Ego has Landed".

He totally blew it.

This one is a riot.

Can you imagine Netflix's people?!

All that money on wardrobes and camera crews and equipment and gofers and aides and scripts and hotels and transportation and planning and PR . . . fawning headlines . . . and Harry Windsor blows it in a12-minute interview by throwing a grenade at the people whose seal of approval Netflix wanted him to win, and then invokes his ongoing communication with the spirit of his 25 years dead mother, now done with Kensington Palace and heading for the Pacific Coast - where she has her work cut out for her.

The Ghost and Mr Windsor

The Haunting of Montecito

The Mummy Returns

Abbott and Costello Meet The Princess of Wales

The (Un)Invited

The Turn of the Screwed Up

The Woman in Catherine Walker

And a series soon to be released . . .

Waking the Dead Princess

What's also comical about all this is that those huge headlines were the ONLY ones Harry and Meghan were going to get, because the rest of the world pretty much ignored the IGs. It's not as if daily coverage in 20pt type was happening anywhere but Britain, with some obligatory coverage in the Dutch press.

Other than that, the proof of how much Harry Is Still A Loved Member Of The British Royal Family had to flow from that visit and the ensuing love bomb headlines in BRITISH papers. American papers don't give a damn about this shit.

And in one fell swoop Harry baits more exclusion from the royal zone and gives the British press an early Christmas gift.

Was there an element of a test in this visit to Windsor? Could they fly in and visit without blabbing to see if they could now be trusted? Obviously they failed if that was the case, but it all seemed a bit off.

American papers don't give a damn about this shit, R267, because overt general debasement of ethical norms is more advanced in the US, although numerous domains of conventional human decency are more degraded in the UK, often to startling effects.

In the US, nothing surprises or should, because the irrationality and avarice on the right and fringes elsewhere, with attendant religionist (read "tax-free wealth permitted to influence politics openly"), military, apocalyptics/survivalists, clots of old Republicans and the Professional Victim cults spreading the crazy faster than our brains can dispose of it.

4/20 blaze it, R269!

I'm not a follower of Hoda, who else has this woman interviewed that I missed?

R269, that is an amazing reply. I've rarely read a statement that doesn't waste a syllable to make its point. I feel like it puts anything I've ever written into the dustbin marked 'Pretentious Soi-Disant Clever Mental Masturbation - BURN IMMEDIATELY'.

R211. I’m not saying that parliament would be directly involved in any way in deciding whether the half-in/half-out arrangement would happen. I’m saying it’s something a constitutional monarch could never grant. If she did, it would raise serious questions about whether it was a legitimate constitutional monarchy and seriously threaten its survival.

Where are the winged monkeys tonight? I thought with a blunder of note even for these two, they'd be descending with homophobic slurs and cries of racism like a maternal ghost floating in from the Pacific, sorting lives.

If Harry really slams Camilla in that book he's done. Right or wrong, better or worse, it looks like no one matters more to Charles than her.

When is that blasted book coming out?

The next time we see Harry, hes going to have more hair missing from stress. I'm sure he is currently being screamed at by Meghan for making a fool of himself, and ruining the good press they had.

Do you actually think they spend much time with each other? Big house & all. All that on camera clutching. Umm not buying it so much. Looks quite forced & phony.

He probably sleeps with the rescue chickens. Diana's ghost plucks them makes him a free range duvet each night.

There is something about them that is just repellent.

[quote] I mean isn't that the way it is most big families? The woman run the show all the while letting the men think that they're the bosses.

Which shows how whip-smart Meghan is (which is not at all, really). She doesn’t understand how families work. She waltzes in and antagonizes the women, sucks up to the men shamelessly. When a woman joins a family, she has to win the approval of the matriarch and the women directly under her. There is a sort of probation period and a series of “tests”. How does she not understand how women work, what makes them tick? She’s like Elizabeth Holmes that way. They’re just unnatural, bizarre.

R279 made me cackle like a, well, a chicken.

Towards the end of this tv report, it’s revealed that Harry’s people stopped Hoda several times because she was heading the interview in a direction they didn’t like:

[quote] Did the King and Queen of the Netherlands ever show up for Harry's little Netflix do?

Huh. I forgot all about those guys. And the actual Invictus Games. Maybe it’s confirmation bias, but it seems the media focused almost exclusively on Harry and Meghan. Even if it was to poke fun at them.

I guess everyone stepped aside, not wanting to get run over by the attention whores (steering clear of those cameras, too).

From the Australian clip, while walking with Hoda, one thing that appalls me a bit, when Harry is asked what he likes about fatherhood, he brings it mentions something negative (chaos) and then immediately brings it back to HIMSELF.

"...all of that, the chaos, the learning, the reminder of just every element of yourself, of your soul, right?"

Haha, I adore the Australians. There is no love lost, there.

Serious question: Do the Sussex PR people even extend their efforts down under? Aussies seem impervious to any obligation to give these assholes good press. (And I love it. Good for them)

I'm really surprised that Meg agreed to leave early. You would think she would want to soak up the attention.

R287 I seriously wondered about that as well. I think she saw a few of the real photos of how she looked, un tweaked & not edited to her specifications. I think she couldn't take the heat of the visual reality. Sorry, she has lost a lot of ground in how she photographs nowadays. It can happen to anyone. She didn't have the ability there to do a well prepped Pap called stroll. too many candid un flattering shots.

I think the Aussies have loads of stuff regarding that failed visit by Haz & Meg. Banana bread making demands, tea throwing, staff quitting, the don't you know who I am, I will only stay in the Official Residence visit that the home office had to apologize for. They don't atke to being mistreated.

Obnoxious and ridiculous as he is, I can live with the contention that Harrry has serious mental health problems.

I've been around people like him, people who have been diagnosed and getting some care. Much as there is or should be some compassion, understanding, patience and such, goddamn it can get exasperating.

Hoda really seems to be impressed that she’s talking to a Prince. They need some jaded old bitch who wouldn’t be impressed. I know a few old ladies who don’t give a shit who you are, and will ask the most blunt and humbling questions.

The only person who could do an interview Id listen to is the Howard Stern of the 1980s. Maybe a Stuttering John ambush.

Hoard Stern, lol. He would straight up ask Harry if Meg does anal or salad tossing.

Howard^^

R290 It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if they ended up on the Stern show in the near future.

Hoda probably knows to act a certain way around this ass clown. Demure, in a Little bit of awe, shit like that. It’s all an act on her part.

As someone already posted, his PR team directed the convo and steered it back on course if they felt it was going in the wrong direction

As an interviewer, Hoda is a lightweight. She interrupted Harry as he was dropping the biggest bomb of the whole conversation and then changed the subject. I mean she still got the publicity, but imagine if she’d said, “Wait, WHAT?” I think even Oprah would have known enough to do that.

Respectfully disagree. Haz and Megs interview with Oprah and Hoda, cause they in advance there will not be hard, challenging questions/inquiries. No, “wait, what” type of gotchas

I wish Piers Morgan could get a crack of interviewing them

R296 no it needs to be someone truly impartial, someone who won't softball but doesn't have an axe to grind

[quote] the spirit of his 25 years dead mother, now done with Kensington Palace and heading for the Pacific Coast - where she has her work cut out for her.

This is goddamn poetry and I want to read more.

Andrew Neil should interview them.

"From The Times .... their sources are telling them basically the Sussexes are going to keep the pressure on the monarchy until they get their "half-in/half out deal" they wanted to start with."

Hah! Liz ain't having it, as long as she's in charge! Which won't be for much longer, so seriously, if that's what they want, then their only hope is to keep quiet until *after* Charles is safely crowned and on the throne. Or rather, *if* Charles is safely crowned and on the throne, because he's going to have a struggle to keep the monarchy from being shut down after Elizabeth dies. So if Harry is stupid enough to try smearing Charles in the hopes of getting a half-in-half-out deal while he's fighting for his inheritance, then the stupid fuck may find that there is no more "in".

And if Harry ever gets what he wants from Charles, he'd better enjoy it while he can, because William won't be having it either.

For those of you who think Harry is mentally ill, what do you think his illness is?

I don't think he's mentally ill myself, I think he's just a stupid spoiled whiny twerp who's perpetually angry, because he isn't as spoiled as he thinks he deserves to be.

He said he suffers from severe anxiety and panic attacks.

Oh well then - nothing like marrying a malignant narcissist to treat those ailments.

Prepare for more insane utterances to follow. And he might need to be on suicide watch.

Just go home, Harry! You can hide behind Andy - be his protege and fellow thorn in William's side.

I don't think a panic attack and having a hissy fit when he doesn't get his way are... quite the same thing.

I had to laugh when he said he was worried about burn out.

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R301 Diana had borderline personality disorder. In the years since her death a great deal has come out about it. She was also extremely paranoid. I think Harry has inherited this condition from his Mother. With Harry they’ve known since he was little there were mental health issues there.

Since he’s not been protected by the Royal Family and has gone rogue, you can also see how truly dumb he is. In addition I’d say he’s on some kind of spectrum. This is why everything is so bad as his wife and their vile PR team manipulate him anyway they want to do their bidding.

And there's likely substance abuse. I mean, he talks about burnout, but can he really be that busy in Montecito? Doing what?? Do you think she lets him make the decisions? Ha!

No one "spoke out", r306. This is just what the Mail claims "well-placed sources" have said. Some of it is probably accurate, the rest tabloid spin.

Moreover, royal aides are not the same thing as royal staff. Not sure what a palace aide is.

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I don't recall if it was here on DL or reddit or where but someone said one of the reasons they've been ignored in Montecito is that she "acts like a cat in heat" around all the rich husbands.

Is that what happened with Katherine McPhee and David Foster, she got too touchy feely with David?

What about Serena and her husband? Serena didn't appreciate that photo at the tennis match of her with her chicken legs ajar next to her husband and sporting one of her cat that ate the canary looks?

So, the obvious question, again, is whether the Queen will again let this slip by as she did his other attacks and lies?

There may be a sense that the brutal response of the UK press has done it for her, but I think that's unwise.

The failure to take a proactive approach rather than the passive one they've adopted is resulting in a lingering sense of the Queen's reign ending and Charles's beginning with unfinished business.

They may not, realistically, be able to stop Harry from cutting off his nose to spite their faces. But that shouldn't preclude drawing a decisive line under his behaviour.

The longer he gets away with this without any obvious accountability, the more out of touch they seem to the public's sensibilities.

It's long past time to worry about the race issue, and the two kids with whom they have nothing resembling a relationship. Harry rather stupidly made it clear he spends more time trying to establish a relationship between his kids and his dead mother, than with their (two) living grandfathers, uncle, and cousins.

Harry has more than made an irrefutable case for suspension of his ducal title, amongst other unresolved family business that HM needs to tidy up.

These include: removing him and Andrew as Councillors of State; an amended Regency Act that assures the public that in the unlikely event Prince George needs one, it will never be Harry; appointment of the new CG of the Royal Marines, and, lastly, issuance of Letters Patent amending the Titles Act so that, beginning with the current generation of minor children, the style of HRH will be limited only to children of direct heirs. They could point out that this would mean that Charlotte's and Louis' children will also not be entitled to HRHs.

Harry may look like a private family matter to the BRF, but it isn't. It is a problem for the monarchy itself. They cannot solve Harry or save him or stop him. But if they want it to continue, they need to respond with something beyond passive silence,

The optics now have got to include letting the public know that consequences ensue, before Charles inherits.

Removing Harry per the above would virtually also guarantee his case for 24/7 armed protection whilst in the UK for his entire family fails. His insistence that his importance to the line of succession merits it would be a flat joke if it were made clear he wouldn't be accepted even as CoS or Regent.

Arthur felt desperately sorry and guilty about Mordred, and tried to appease him at court. It didn't work: we know how that ended.

Of all the people who should recognise the parallel, it's Charles.

FF R310 aka the Klan Granny idiot. And please also FF the thread she created, posting the same crap as in R310.

[quote] Harry rather stupidly made it clear he spends more time trying to establish a relationship between his kids and his dead mother, than with their (two) living grandfathers, uncle, and cousins.

Good point.

That’s kind of pathological, actually.

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Harry and Meghan’s need for media attention means they have to either be beloved members at the heart of the Royal Family, or be at the centre of a huge dispute which allows them to claim to be victimised by the stuffy old Royals.

At the moment they are getting neither: the Royal Family’s consistent polite indifference must be driving them mad.

Why the hell is Harry meeting with Britain's Defense Minister? Is Harry also protecting the country now?

At this point the UK needs to be protected from Harry.

R85, I think Liz Storer meant Yoko Woko.

What r315 and r316 said.

Plus, the Sussexes are aging. Fast.

And Thanks, for the info r84

And r172, one doesn't have to be a fire-eating Marxist to recognize that in my post at r76, I was nodding to what, seemingly, are the BRF's protocols for addressing by titles.

Here's the context for my post at r76:

Decades ago, I read a profile of Prince Charles. The author who accompanied him when he was meeting with the public noted that if someone asked him "how is your Mother?", PC would let a cool silence build before he'd pointedly, politely say "The Queen is well, thank you" leaving you no doubt that he brooked no over-familiarity.

In my comment at r76, I should have made clearer that, of course Hoda Kotb isn't required to resist referring to Q E II , to Harry, as "Your grandmother", although, personally, I think its over-familiar.

My point was, and obviously, I should have made this clear is that the onus was on Prince Harry to, while not expressly correcting her, to have pointedly, in response, referred to her as "the Queen", and, yeah, if done effectively, Kotb may have gotten the message, but disregarded it anyway.

And come to think of it, what's wrong with being a fire-eating Marxist who can't resist the best real-life, actual, "reality-show" on Earth?

[quote]The future of the monarchy is secure.

Precisely. And those two, with a demonstrated talent for miscalculation, give every appearance of attacking or undermining the monarchy. So who looks like the villain of the piece? Granted, these villains, but still....

The Queen should strip the pair (and Andy) of their remaining roles if only to lessen the pair's ability to gin up press. It need not be done in a sensational way. The palace merely needs to plainly make clear the three no longer have any official roles once and for all. In fact, they should have done so long ago and taken them off the official website ages ago.

How much of what has occurred in the past week was done so in part due to the behest of Netflix management? Had the palace been crystal clear from the get go the trio would not get as much mileage as they have of late.

Frankly, it's not certain there is agreement what should be done with the three. There was an article posted yesterday wherein a courtier described Harry as "breathtakingly arrogant" but also as a big-hearted guy who just wants to help the world. The gist was that Harry had good intentions but was handling things the wrong way. What?? There is nothing redeemable about Harry and this point should be fairly evident.

Here's my latest theory

The Queen has been taken to Sandringham - to the small home that Prince Philip stayed at and died. It's very suspicious that is where she wants to be right now. She has her dogs and horses there.

Also, today she is meeting with a woman from her staff who has permission from the Queen to write a book about her. That woman is visiting her again today. I think the Queen is pretty smart. She is making sure there is a credible book that counters anything Harry will have to say. Even if she's no longer here.

They said today they are not sure the Queen will attend her Jubilee. It will be a decision on that day.

My big guess is - she knows her time is close. She wants to die where Philip died. But she has a plan that will help counter whatever Harry is going to say. I would guess there will also be excuses for Andrew in that book. And Charles, Camilla, William and Kate will come off well. There will be sympathy for Harry's mental illness.

If she pulls this off, it will be very well played by the Queen.

Oh wow, a “sensational” book from Angela Kelly. Interesting idea.

…AND would explain Harry’s mumbling about “people around her.”

Philip was brought to Windsor to die. But I do think she likes being at Sandringham as it reminds her of Philip.

Oh, stop it. The woman from her staff is her dresser of twenty years. Lived in the bubble during the worst of COVID. Is always with her. Is updating a book she's already written. They have said consistently due to her mobility issues all events will be decided day of. Back pain is debilitating pain. Sandringham is a favourite home (they moved Christmas there from Windsor decades ago.) Windsor is now home. Sandringham makes a change, where at the weekends she used to bolt from Buckingham Palace to Windsor for a change. The Maul has photos of her being driven around the estate today. So whatever she's got that she knows "her time is near" it isn't severe enough to prevent her flying by helicopter or going for a drive. Interesting disease for imminent death.

Any theory that includes "it's very suspicious" speaks more to imagination than reasoning facts.

She is staying at Wood Farm – the farmhouse that the Duke of Edinburgh made his retirement home – where it is expected she will be visited by friends and family over the next few days.

Her friend and loyal confidante Angela Kelly arrived for a visit this morning. The 64-year-old, known as the Queen's 'gatekeeper', has been given permission to re-publish her best-selling book about her 28-year career at Her Majesty's side with a new chapter and photos detailing the last two difficult years including her part in the 'HMS Bubble' set up to protect the monarch at the height of the pandemic.

The Queen usually spends three months at Sandringham, but wasn’t able to earlier this year. If she was at death’s door, I am absolutely certain she would not be in public view at all.

I think it’s far more likely she is just going to Wood Farm because it is where she feels closest to Philip. The first anniversary of his death has just passed, and it was his main home in is final years. I bet she misses him.

I think the no comments from RF & her Mag in particular are about continuing to give them enough rope.

The Oprah 'Racism Reveal' has proven to be lead balloon for them. That dead horse just won't get up. And such bad timing with all the BLM, slap,Jussie backlash in the U.S. right now.

However, the Deadly Duo have also lined their sh*t sack with Harry's mental issues, which he slid in again with Hoda., As in, I'm so overwhelmed with working rom home, etc. Also the Dead Mommy Porn now coupled with paranoid vision of Mommy has moved from Kensington to Monteshitto ( Not to be snarky & off topic here, but man oh man what can be done to help Hoda look better. Whew! ). If things go anymore tits up for Haz & Hag, Harry will have a Very Public breakdown caused by those evil racist RF's! And Or Meghan will have suicide thoughts again. Picking on their fragile collective MI caused by the evil RF the next bit of crap to fling.

How does he continue as a face of Better whatever, with this kind of mental health?

I’m sure the Queen does confide in Harry like no one else. “Once on a time there was a little prince ….” “What was his name, Gran? Was it Harry? It better not be William ….” Or maybe Harry prefers ghost stories.

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The Queen is likely at Wood Farm for both practical and sentimental reasons. I’m sure it’s outfitted with top of the line equipment for someone elderly with mobility issues.

She looks manic, R332. And exhausting.

Harry's audacity and arrogance is now almost pathological. The BRF is wise to react as little as possible. Let these two truly idiotic sadists talk all they want, with almost every sentence they reveal who they really are, in all of their horrificness.

I think the Royal's strategy of "keep calm, carry on" is working well for them particularly in the UK. The truth is that outside of the nuts that either love or loath Harry & Meghan, most people don't really care about them and if anything, are growing tired of hearing about them. It's the media that is obsessed with them because they are "good copy" given their penchant for creating drama: the modern media thrives on drama and reactionary commentary. We no longer just get the news, every headline is now debated by a series of talking heads.

People ask why Harry would say these stupid comments, and the truth is because he and Meghan LOVE drama, they get off on it. To give them credit, they know the media environment well that drama produces headlines. They have become something of a circus because they know it will keep them on the front page. Now, some royal reporters with ties to Charles are saying that the reason Harry dodged the question about missing his father and brother was in part due to Charles asking him in their meeting not to mention him publicly in any PR for the Invictus Games. So in an odd way he may have been trying to show his father he can still be "trusted." Although I think he could have just said, some BS like "oh of course I miss them" and then moved the conversation like he did anyways.

Now, the problem for Harry is while the interview did generate headlines, it has overshadowed the Games. Though I actually question if Harry gives a damn about them anymore really. There are a lot of questions about whether there will be any future games given the lack of money they've been able to raise she Harry stopped being a working royal.

Surely BetterUp took note that Harry sounded like a loon talking about his dead mother visiting them in California.

He never gave a damn about them to begin with. They were the brainchild of one of his aides who quit upon the arrival of Meghan. He barely gave them the time of day at the last games. I suspect he only is spending so much time with them this time around as no one else is asking for him.

Invictus Games leadership did not mention him in the press run up to the Games. Perhaps they will soon announce the end of his patronage? He is a detriment to them at this point.

Queen MARY! me but DL's black crows zeal for predicting the Queen is actively dying is really something. And by something I mean dark and weird. It's like you want it to happen. She's old, she's going to die. She gives every appearance of contradicting your runes and cards and crystal balls and, best of all, suspicions.

Here’s a crazy scenario: in about the third week of May, Markle will announce she’s pregnant and, at the risk of suffering another miscarriage, cannot possibly travel to Britain for the Jubilee. Harry the Doting Husband will remain by her side, thus ensuring a media frenzy that will eclipse any balcony appearance.

Or, they attend the Jubilee and, shades of Eugenie’s wedding, she appears in full maternity gear.

Just throwing it out there …

You know, for the sake of argument what if the meeting went something like this?

Harry's summoned to Windsor where the queen tells him that William and his commoner wife have had a disastrous tour. In service of the queen and the monarchy, he must once again make an ass of himself to deflect attention and boost W. Of course, he'll receive his one million pay out for doing. Also, it must allbe very hush-hush, he understands. Harry objects. It's been so quiet for them. Do they have to? Yes, or its disobeying an order from his queen. So Harry, miserable, goes to the Games and Meghan pats his back and holds his hand. But she can't bear to see him go through with this farce that only makes them look bad, so she leaves before the interview.

She’ll want to be seen with a pillow bump before claiming a miscarriage for maximum DRAMA.

[quote]She’ll want to be seen with a pillow bump before claiming a miscarriage for maximum DRAMA.

I can lend her mine!

"The Oprah 'Racism Reveal' has proven to be lead balloon for them."

To be fair, I have NO doubt that Phillip said something in appropriate to Meghan at some point, I mean the man spent 90 years saying inappropriate things, why should he stop because Meggie was around? But it was probably so mild that it'll never be quoted, for fear that people will roll their eyes and say "Is THAT all?".

But yeah, I think Elizabeth knows her time is drawing near, and while she isn't actively dying, she's getting very frail and isn't up to much but pottering around some place smaller and homier than a palace. She'll prefer reflecting on the past and remembering those are gone to deciding what to do about her idiot grandson, so logically, the task of dealing with Harry's foolishness should be delegated to Charles. But Charles is a weenie who's either afraid of Harry's temper or is afraid of looking like the bad buy if he disciplines his son in any public way, so he isn't going to do squat. And that's why there's been no action on revoking Harry's titles - Elizabeth is to frail and Charles is too wimpy.

She's gone away for the weekend, jeez.

The story on the thing was that somebody ask Harry, not Philip to Mustard.

I bet Harry pays off the racist card in his book. It's about his level of spite.

Was there some shade in the second picture at link?

R344 In fairness at 96 regardless of what shape you're in, you know you're basically elbow deep in your grave. But yes, the Queen's increasing frailty means she isn't up to much anymore. However as for Charles, I actually think he's being held back to a degree by the Queen. It's been discussed that after that Oprah interview, Charles wanted to issue a point-by-point rebuttal on some of the more damning allegations and it was the Queen that overruled him. It's also rumoured that during their brief meeting last weekend, Charles told Harry on no uncertain terms was he to mention Charles and Camilla in any upcoming interviews for the Invictus Games. So I think Charles is actually far less wimpy but he's going with the Queen's wish not to brawl with the Sussexes publicly.

I honestly think after the Jubilee year is done, Charles should be appointed Prince Regent. I get that the Queen's mind is in good shape and she still perform the paperwork, but I think it's time for Charles to take the helm and for the Queen to fade out quietly while enjoying her final years still reigning (and appearing when she feels she able if at all) but handing over the operations.

A regency would make sense, in that IMHO Charles is going to have a hell of a fight to preserve the monarchy when Elizabeth passes, and if he's officially eased into the role then it'll be a little bit harder to give him the boot.

I don't know if Elizabeth still has the sense to see that, She reached her mid-90s while still being able to do the job, or most of it, she didn't need to abdicate or appoint a regent. But she will probably have to, soon, and who knows if she'll be able to admit that she's no longer what she was. Few elders will admit that they're no longer capable of doing what they used to do, it's human nature.

[quote]IMHO Charles is going to have a hell of a fight to preserve the monarchy

Specifically why and how?

I don't see Charles being soft on Harry at this point. He has strong feelings about the issues with Andrew and will want to stop it happening again. I also don't think there will be any serious issue in 'preserving the monarchy'. for him There is no dangerous republicanism in the UK about to burst forth. People know he'll only be around relatively briefly and has had to wait so long. It'll only be the usual suspects jumping around and proclaiming a crisis but things will carry on much as before.

R333 Good point about mobility issues and Wood Farm. It was likely remodeled when Philip lived there and is now in good shape for the queen. Palaces are old and not easy to adapt for wheelchairs. Interesting that Angela Kelly is pictured again.

“The Queen and I had a discussion the other day about the difference between fashion and style and I think maybe that’s relevant in the sense that she didn’t do fashion but she certainly does style, and style tends to last longer,” she said.

“You have an individual style and it’s a quality which has a long-term value.”

Asked whether she had experienced sexism during her life as a working Royal, which saw her placed beneath her younger brothers in the order of succession, she demurred, saying: “I have been treated as an honorary man for a lot of my life.”

The Queen's car narrowly avoided crashing into another vehicle while she was being driven away from the Sandringham estate on Thursday morning.

The 96-year-old monarch was in the front passenger seat of the dark green Range Rover as she left Wood Farm, the former home of the Duke of Edinburgh, on a birthday excursion.

Her driver had pulled out of the estate on to a quiet country road when a white Nissan Juke came towards them at 30mph, according to onlookers.

The Range Rover swerved on to a grass verge while the Nissan came to an abrupt halt before driving on.

No one was injured in the incident which took place at about 10.30am.

She arrived at Wood Farm on Wednesday and is believed to be staying there until next week. - I'd hate to be the fucker who hit the Queen's car.

Harry and Meghan want the RF to roll around in the muck with them. By not responding and ignoring them completely, the RF are doing the right thing.

The lengths H&M will go to in order to provoke a response just makes them look worse every time.

"Asked whether she had experienced sexism during her life as a working Royal, which saw her placed beneath her younger brothers in the order of succession, she demurred, saying: “I have been treated as an honorary man for a lot of my life.”"

Anne is so butch that I've always been surprised that she's straight.

IMHO her Majesty and Charles should stay the course, ignore the Harkles' crap PR pressure that is going on right now, and give a big fuck you to moaners everywhere.

R355 Good point. They prove again that they don’t have anything to offer, are untrustworthy and only seek to benefit themselves. At this point, why would anyone want them back in? The general public has no interest in them beyond from a dumpster fire curiosity.

Oh, and I view the push I am reading here yearning for the queen's death and regency/setting Charles free to publicly fight with the Harkles as typical low level crap PR from you know who.

There is nothing surprising about The Queen going to Wood Farm. In fact, her life now does show that she is pleasing herself a bit more. She always preferred Windsor to Buckingham Palace and Wood Farm to Sandringham House. And there was a report a few months ago that Wood Farm was being modified for her, specifically by the installation of a lift. If she has mobility issues, a smaller house with a lift might offer her far more comfort than huge palatial spaces. Moving to a smaller house may actually be good for her mobility.

I’m always amused (and genuinely interested) by the drama in these threads. So many people want action, now. Strip their titles! Make a statement! A regency! It’s not really the way the Royal Family works. The court is a cautious institution (which is why it sometimes moves too slow for public opinion) , but it is also extremely good at survival. The courtiers play the long game, because the institutional memory is on the scale of centuries rather than years. Viewed in those terms, Harry is one of a line of troublesome princes who had issues with their fathers: Charles never felt understood by Philip, George VI and Edward VIII were scared of George V, Edward VII rebelled against the moralistic Prince Albert, George IV despised George III. The monarchy survived all of these, and it will survive Harry too. He has called the Family uncaring, tarnished them as racists, and claimed his brother felt trapped, and it has had little effect on the popularity of the monarchy. The law of diminishing returns will mean that he might get more hysterical in his whinging, but it will have less effect.

I don’t see the accession of Charles as a huge watershed moment either really. Every change of monarch in at least a couple of centuries has been met with foreboding, and fears that the new monarch isn’t up to it. Interestingly, only the present queen escaped that pattern. But the transition from one reign to another intentionally leaves little time for Republicans to seize the moment. The Queen will breathe her last, and the cry will go up “The Queen is dead. long live the King.” The swiftness of succession is another survival strategy.

^ A-men!

It is not Real Housewives of Windsor Castle. Honestly, some of the nonsense on these threats... I expect better of DL.

Great posts, r360 and r361.

And, I'll cop to it. I get silly, too.

But I know what you wrote is the real deal.

Who is the demographic for Harry's book? My mother loved Diana but she doesn't care for Meghan, I don't see the older generation buying it and I don't think the younger generation is interested either.

Any juicy stuff will be spilled online at places like here and Daily Mail so I wouldn't waste my money.

oh, OUCH!

From the Maul: The inconvenient truth about Prince Harry and the Queen: Her Majesty has always avoided any accusations of favouritism when it comes to her grandchildren... but insiders insist if there was a 'special one' it would be Peter Phillips, writes RICHARD KAY

"Who is the demographic for Harry's book? "

Gossip-hungry bitches like us, and a few wokie nitwits who are hoping for Twitter outrage material. That's not a big audience.

Well, according to their PR, they are a young couple who are loved by young people. (eyeroll)

I feel like every single grandchild has been claimed to be her favorite by insiders at some point or other.

Didn't Smeg write an open letter where she claimed H was the favorite?

It has always amazed me that anyone ever thought Harry was HM fav. He is so much like his mother who brought nothing but agro to her. Remember Annus Horribilis? Who do you think brought that to her Maj.? I think everyone overcompensated for Harry because of Di's death. I think no one, including Charles has ever had any great love for Harry. He has always been a pain tight in the arse. I thought Di used to talk to her therapist about how awful he was even as a tiny child. Think they have put on a great show & tried hard. He is proving as deranged as she was.

R368 who would know better than her????

I wanted a daughter...

Just watching Lady Colin Campbell or whatever -- and in the first five minutes of her latest video, she quotes the Secretary of State in Thatcher's gov't (who she's acquainted with), who, on GB News, suggested Harry was insane and on drugs. And she started ostentatiously sniffing and asked her dog to bring her a tissue, clearly implying he's on coke (or Trump's friend, crushed Adderall?) - but also who knows else?

Video called "QUEENmisued/HARRY’sFALSEclaims2HodaEXPOSED/MADNESSorWillfulLIES/U.K.IGullibility/MegGIBE"

BTW, what is going on with her naming of her youtubes -- trying to catch everybody who's searching for the latest royal news?

R341 You sound more delusional than Harry.

I maintain that the BRF, thanks to its matriarch's fatal attraction for Bad Boys, is about to self-destruct. The only way they get out of this is if the old lady dies before she can bring that traitor and his lying bitch out onto that balcony.

Harry is being allowed to control the narrative. They are, as usual, solely in reactive mode. He trashes his father and brother, her closest friend and loyal staff, exaggerates his influence over her life . . . And the public piks up the papers a day later to find stories INSISTING that the Queen so wants them to be out on that balcony.

And, by the way, there is a out to be a "resolution" to Harry's "issue" with the government over his "security".

Which possibly hints at taxpayers at the end of their tether finding out that Mr Equal World Windsor won his right to shove his delusional needs down their throats so Gran can see his kids that he moved 5,000 miles away.

The fucking BRD seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that the Sussexes are loathed here.

That there are too many rumours and most of them make the monarchy look like it's no longer worth the trouble.

The least the fucking Queen can do before she kicks the bucket is give the fucking British people some fucking answers.

Yeah, I'm inviting the kid who committed High Treason onto the balcony with his lying viper orca wife, along with that other sack of shit I raised. Please be nice to them for my sake!

This isnt 1936 or1956. The Tories are going to have their arses handed to them on 5 May. Bitch, you may yet get to welcome another Labour PM as the British taxpayers sink to their knees while your fucking grandson whinges about equality and stcks them with another bill from his lofty $14 million perch in fucking Montecito . . . And you want him on the balcony so you can play Happy Families?!

I'm one of those taxpayers. I'm tired of your coy silences and the endless drama you've allowed three of the shittiest chances ever born to foist on us AT A VERY BAD MOMENT.

I want to know what's what now, so I can sort out whether to start volunteering for republicans.org.

Because if Andrew, Harry, and Meghan step put onto that balcony, and one fucking farthing of taxpayer money gets allocated for special security for Harry and his bitch of a wife and his brats, that's where I'm headed.

I'm tired of the fucking murky drama.

You serve at my pleasure, bitch. No Harry, no Meghan, no Andrew.

Do us all a favor and die before the fucking Jubilee starts, so it can all be canceled and Charles and William can kick their three entitled arses to the kerb.

Or take charge of the narrative yourself.

^*three of the shittiest chancers (not chances)

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Yeah, well argued there... except for the batshit crazy part.

Maybe cool it with the Orca stuff unless you want kgt screeching about racism. Or were you referring to her new size?

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Wait are orcas African American??

R380: lone winged monkey.

I really thought there was a chance that the Sussexes were coming back until Harry's interview. Now I realize they never will, and that this is the end of the whole story. Harry and Meghan are OUT and will be trashing the BRF for the rest of their miserable, regretful lives. How long will that be interesting, because honestly I'm too bored to be outraged with this latest outburst.

R320, Lady C. said something on today's podcast that sums up what you're saying. That Harry's aiming his comments at an American audience that's unaware of the correct protocol i.e. not 'how is your mother' & 'your grandmother'.

Harry knows the correct protocol, he's not correcting the interviewer because the broadcast is aimed at a different demographic than the UK.

The Netflix product will of course be available in the UK, but its target is an American audience. Sort of a thalidomide 2020s version of "The Crown".

After two years of relentless lying and relentless criticism for lying, Harry and Meghan seem to become only more inept and obvious in their lying. They never improve. It’s astounding.

Everyone getting outraged by Harry's latest...I just see it as the unprepared, unprofessional ramblings of a not very bright man who is being questioned by a tv journalist, albeit a soft one. I'm surprised he didn't tell everyone how he and the queen liked to sink pints together.

I doubt it was State Secrets that Her Majesty discussed with Harry that she couldn't share with anyone else. It was probably her secret love of fart jokes.

R381 It was meant to say "bitch of a wife" not "orca wife" and it's not the first time the bloody autocorrect 's done that.

But now you point it out, orca is quite elegant in the context of the lady's character.

I may adopt it.

Sounds like someone has already made her mind up about that "bitch", the "fucking Queen".

R383 Yes. That's what we all thought, too.

Then why do I have the sinking feeling that the woman who married a man who cheated on her routinely, raised Andrew to be the pompous entitled stupid spoilt twat he is, and couldn't even take her grandson's ducal title when he committed High Treason in plain view, is playing fast and loose with us?

Why am I expecting to wake up any morning, look at the papers, and see that not only has Vlad killed 20,000,000 in Ukraine and is massing troops on Finland's border, and life here worse than in 1974, but the government has agreed to have the taxpayer fund Harry's 24/7 protection. And the Palace has (because it's that mental) announced that, yes, indeed the TOTALLY UNREPENTANT Sussexes have been invited to join "my family" on the balcony once during Platinum Jubilee celebrations?

Can't wait to hear Kevin Maguire on SKY's "Press Preview" when THAT headline breaks.

R389 You're missing my point: her refusal to make the situation clear is what is fuelling assumptions.

I've been fond of the old lady all my life. These threads were a Godsend during the pandemic. I'm a retired academic and I like historical parallels.

But I'm losng my sense of humor at the prospect at the lese majeste on view suddenly. That last interview was the absolute limit.

Tell me it isn't true. And then I may hoist a point to her at the local(if I can still afford to). But the ridiculous refusal to clear it up by telling the populace the truth and stop Harry and the DM from controlling the narrative, is leading too many people to assume it is true.

It's time for the BRF to switch up more than just whose initials in gold thread are on the ROH's red velvet curtains.

There is not going to be a catastrophic crash in the position of the monarchy because Harry isn't removed from some barely known positions and keeps a title no-one in the UK actually cares about., R391. Your endlessly-repeated position position is pure drama-queen.

Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle of R391 and R392? The monarchy is not going to catastrophically crash but the continued shenanigans are eroding its position. In part because the palace is being cagey about the Queen's health. It all gives the appearance that no one is in control. She may be everyone's honorary granny, but she is also Head of State. Decisions need to be made about her role (and, perhaps they already are and it is just a matter of when to announce).

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Funny, apart from a faint lingering odor, the Andrew thing seems pretty much over, at least at the moment. I for one am glad, having found the whole scandal oddly uninteresting. Virginia whatshername was never an entirely sympathetic or compelling figure to me.

OH DEAR

R396 What's the matter, hon?

Do you think the queen or Charles had a vague thought that Harry would voluntarily give up his Sussex title when he decided to move full time to the democratic [sic] US? Meghan wouldn’t allow it of course, but at that meeting, when he came back alone while Megs stayed in Canada, where Harry presented the half-in half-out proposal, the BRF nixed it and hoped that Harry would throw up his hands and say that he didn’t want your pokey titles anyway. Okay I can’t really see it happening like that. But I can see Harry, in all his dimness, declaring to Megs that “we don’t need them, we have each other” and Megs practically foaming at the mouth before calming down and talking hHarry out of it.

OH, DEAR

Harry's hair is horrid. It looks like a very badly made bird's nest.

It's a catch-22, really. Harry and Meghan have nothing of value but their royal connections. But the root of their failures (beyond their obvious mental, emotional and moral issues) is their refusal to eschew their titles and royal trappings. Their hypocrisy is unescapable, except for fringe elements of society.

Do you think Meghan makes the staff curtsy to her and call her "Your Grace?"

R402, maybe not curtsy, but I guarantee she’s told to refer to her in third person as “The Duchess” and possible “your Grace” to her face.

^*No, she makes them curtsey and call her Your Royal Highness.

Harry's ducal title is royal and carries the style and title of HRH and Prince. Technically, Meghan, Kate, and Camilla are Princesses of the United Kingdom, they just use the HRH DUCHESS.

The Duje and Duchess of Northumberland is Your Grace.

The Dukescabs Duchesses of Cornwall, Cambridge, and Sussex are Your Royal Highness.

Only Meghan lost the right to use hers. But I'm sure that's ignored at home.

Because, after all, a man's home is his castle.

Datalounge used to think Harry was "hot stuff." Is that still the case?

R394 If true, this will send Andrew and Eugenie, especially, into what I believe Inspector Clouseau called, "a writ of fealous jage".

R404 Why did the Queen gift Hazbo a duchy that has no property or assets?

R394 Kate has had no military service, has she? Nor Edward?

The obvious choice would have been Harry except...

Oh woe is them...

Oh well, sucks to be Haz.

R344, I read just yesterday that Lady Sarah Chatto is usually considered the Queen's "favorite." I don't believe anyone really knows who her favorite is, or if she even has one. I can't imagine why she would make a permanent distinction. Elder relatives like different kids for different reasons. She probably has a special fondness for a few of them. Isn't it fruitless to speculate? I mean, everyone should feel free, but I don't see that it matters.

R398 you don’t know what “(sic)” means, do you?

‘Enry ‘Iggins checking in at R411.

The press loves the angle of the Queen’s favorite but as others on this thread have said, elderly people have multiple favorites. Peter was the first grandchild so he’ll have a special place in her heart, Beatrice and Eugenie have two of the most disastrous parents in recent royal history so their grandmother will want to be as supportive as possible, Louise and James are the two she sees most in recent years…

The troublesome, touchy, difficult family member is NEVER anyone's favorite. They are exhausting. Everyone seeks ways to get rid of them ASAP, in any situation. Harry had fairly severe issues early. It was said Di used to discuss his labile outbursts when he was a young child, with her therapist. She often said how much like Harry was like her. William was like Charles. The MI was & is strong in Harry

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R411 - the US is, yes, still a democracy but now classified as a "flawed democracy", so I don't think it's way out of line to add "sic"

The one thing Harry does “own” is that clip of himself with the queen where he goes “boom.” I remember at the time thinking it was both cute and obnoxious. I don’t particularly like seeing the queen doing that sort of thing.

I see King Willem kept his word about attending the end of the games. But there was no sign of Pss Magriet, his aunt, in the opening, unless I missed it.

Whilst not insensible of the enjoyment and respite from the brutality of the pandemic and then the Ukraine invasion these threads have afforded me, in tandem with my interest in psychology and history and how they've shaped each other at odd intersections . . .

Something about all this is beginning to feel terribly sad. Harry is a sick man; he's like Janus, the two-faced God, and the dark side of that face is, I think, very dark indeed.

That bit about his Mum made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

And the other sad bit is the apparent helplessness of his family to realise that he really is harming them and the monarchy, and they need to staunch the bleeding, and soon.

The dominating sensation in looking at all this for the public - well, I'll just speak for myself, is one of endless waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop. And there are just too many shoes floating around up there.

I'm at one and the same time losing patience with it, I suspect the rest of the UK public is, too, and watching the monarchy cock it up because they just aren't paying attention to all those shoes is kind of . . . well, I feel like the film viewer watching as the heroine takes a candle and goes down into the basement in her negligee because she heard suspicious noises . . .

"Don't! Don't!" you want to yell from your seat, "He's down there, the maniac is down there!"

But does she listen? No.

I didn't like that either, R417. I think the Queen was just trying to help a lame dog over a stile, i.e. help Harry carve out a role for himself alongside his directly-in-line brother. The Queen's own involvement wasn't as cringe-making as Harry's, of course. Anyway, look at how he's repaid her kindness in the period since then.

R408 - The Queen had no real military service either when she served in the same position. The ATS hardly counts as military service.

It's the place on the food chain that matters. Kate's husband was a pilot in the RAF's helicopter rescue service. She's going to be Queen (if William's Gran and Dad don't cock it up so badly that the monarchy is gone by then).

And will it piss off the Yorks! They hate the Cambridges as it is. At least, three of them do. I don't think Bea does.

R393 - Fair points, but, you know, time's wing-ed chariot is hurrying near. It's getting kind of late in the day to sort it all out.

And they can't afford further erosion as Charles starts his reign with Cammie in tow and Harry sticking the knife in every chance he gets.

Announcements are needed. Soon.

r410,.Sarah is her neice though not grandchild. She does have a close relationship though as does David ,Marget being a bit busy away shagging Roddy when they were yo ung.

I am going to start calling this petulant little prince Hamlet. He and his cunt wife can go straight to hell.

R420 the ATS was part of the military. It was a branch of the British Army for women (it was the 1940s after all). Women who completed ATS training were given Army commissions and ranks, although women (outside of nurses and medical personal) weren't allowed to serve on the front-lines. The Queen was a mechanic and also ambulance driver, though she was given a slightly more abbreviated training course but by the end of the war she was a junior commander.

She never left Windsor whilst doing it. I appreciate the technical nicety, but it's not quite the same. But I'll grant for her time and position it was a good faith and appropriate form of service.

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R425 William and Kate do it too. I can’t stand it.

R421 The Queen and Prince Philip basically acted as Sarah Chatto's parents as both Princess Margaret and Tony were absent for most of her childhood.

R426 - It's a generational thing. When I was young, it was taught that talking with your hands was something only excitable southern races did.

But I think that went out with VHS tapes, and it's common now. Everyone does it.

It is distracting.

Especially on "Jeopardy"...

R428 There's something just so elegant about people who speak with their hands clasped in front of them, or behind. As if it's your words that matter, without extraneous fuss.

I think between video calls and zoom meetings, people think they should emote or something. It is all so fucking fake.

R43 0 - That was the thinking. It made you seem poised, thoughtful, in control . . .

I just don't think those things matter today. It's gone the way of wearing hats and gloves for plane travel.

It's standard comms training, now. To me, it looks disingenuous.

The hand gestures don't seem to come naturally to Kate. She has a few that look practiced–like the one where she's forming a ball with her hands – but it's awkward. William looks a bit more comfortable but still as if he's been coached. Harry's moves are wild. All of them are more animated than regular people. Yech. I prefer restraint.

I think Kate is just very introverted and interacting with the public doesn't come naturally. It's sort of funny to me that Meghan's PR sought from the beginning to portray Meghan as the confident public speaker and star to Kate's quiet and more nervous public persona. Personally Kate's evident discomfort with public speaking etc. (she has gotten much better but it's obviously not something that she would be doing if it wasn't part of the job) has always endeared and humanized her in my eyes. Meghan comes across as slick and actressy in her speeches and weirdly enough I find her awkward with the public as well, it just manifests differently to the way it does for Kate.

Most of the royals talk with their hands: Philip did, Charles, Camilla, William and Edward too. The Queen does not because she clutches to her speech for dear life because she hates public speaking.

R410 I read somewhere that, out of all her children and grandchildren, only Princess Anne is allowed to call the Queen directly, everyone else has to go through her secretary, even Charles. I don’t know if that has something to do with being her favorite though, because it also said that the only other person who was allowed to do it had something to do with horses, and Anne is also a horse person. Maybe they bonded over their mutual love for horses.

What to do with your hands when speaking publicly is basic PR training 1.01 and all the Royals have been through it.

^ Some, like Catherine, rely on the training religiously, while others, like Anne, take it into account but act naturally for themselves..

I could also see it having to do with Anne never abusing her privelge to reveal anything about the family, r437. Anne would never waste her mother's time complaining about siblings or the order of things. Or talk about anything m

R418 It is sad. Something about Harry alone now that Meghan left really shows us that here is a very troubled, sad man. He seemed so happy when he and Meghan got engaged, like he finally found peace.

The Times’ Giles Coren’s take on why Harry needs to keep an eye on the Queen:

“If he doesn’t check up on her once every couple of years, then who is going to? I’ve seen those public information films about looking in on the elderly: if Harry doesn’t put his head round the door once in a while, Her Majesty could be left undiscovered, lying dead on the floor, in front of a cold bar heater, half-eaten by her corgis, for months.

And, of course, if you read between the lines, you can see that Harry is also very keen to protect the Queen from herself. Capricious and quixotic old thing that she is, she could easily, if left unattended, end up marrying a gold-digger, falling out with her family, making a massive tit of herself on the world stage and giving up her royal titles for a better life in America. I’m just thankful he got there in the nick of time. If you think what an absolute Horlicks the Queen made of her first 70 years on the throne, without Harry’s biannual check-ups to depend on, it’s a miracle she wasn’t deposed or usurped or otherwise brutally dethroned.

And as for having “the right people round her”, nobody knows better than Harry how important it is to have the right people around you. Whether it’s drunk Etonians in SS uniforms, naked chicks in a Los Angeles swimming pool or Oprah Winfrey and her ravening production hordes, one is simply nothing without the right people around one.“

From the snippets I've heard of the Hoda interview, it seems the more controversial bits were more throw-away lines. He obviously thinks he knows best and that's why the line about looking after her slips in, but it didn't seem to be his main message.

The disturbing thing about the interview was that long riff about Diana's ghost. That went way beyond some PR-concocted message about her watching over them from afar, full stop. What the hell did he mean by her getting William set up and now it's his turn? Does he think she has an active role in their lives? This kind of drivel, added to his obvious bitterness towards his family, makes me wonder how he thinks he's could be an inspiration on mental health.

It means that Meghan and the PR team regularly get the ouija board out and sit at a table in a circle with Harry, spelling stuff out to him whilst pushing the glass!

Princes William and Charles now, are probably developing more pity and embarrassment for Prince Harry than anger.

I know am. Everybody just saw him embarrass himself.

PH did well when the topic was the IV.

Then, with the family stuff, the cheese disengaged from the cracker.

Meghan Markle has 3 children on her hands. And the adult child, I hope, does the work to find peace with himself and what has happened in his life since he was a child.

I loathe Giles Coren... a pretentious brat... but that column was funny.

Good thing Harry isn't a reader. Or can't read, according to some.

It's cute that you imagine that Meghan spends more than thirty minutes a day with her children. They were left at home. On Easter.

r446, Yes Coren can mock anyone, except himself who is only where he is through nepotism.

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No one is interested in Meghan as a solo act. No way is she dumping him.

The Harkles ar perfect for each other, with meshing personality disorders.

Harry appeared to be sporting a black eye at the Invictus Games

There will no doubt be a dramatic story about Harry running after a runaway wheelchair or something along those lines, to explain the black eye.

Drinking while managing to stay on your feet and avoid door frames is an element of high difficulty - Harry's "Invictus Game" I guess.

Or maybe the reason she went home abruptly is they had a bad row and she whacked him. Makeup worked for a bit - and the bruise got so bad, he decided who gives a shit

Now he'll have a good photo for the divorce proceedings.

I do think he'll get so sick of her and Hell A, that he's willing to come home and mirror Uncle Pariah Andy's methodology to stay calm and carry on AT HOME among other loser aristocrats, of which there are many.

He most likely got the black eye from being drunk, and falling asleep face down on his hand.

R450, I think you’re wrong. There’s not a crazy amount of interest in them now. Another few years they’ll hardly be any, the stories are already repetitive. Additionally, focus will shift to William’s kids. She will grow bored and set her sights on bigger prizes, i.e. richer and more powerful. Someone to further her agenda. She will get more attention in the future without him.

r457 Pr they will both get less interest and attention and become more irrelevant regardless if they are together or not.

r458 Or not pr! Typo!🙈😁

The most attention she would’ve gotten is staying in the Royal family. She really blew it. I can see her trying to get with a wealthy businessman/philanthropist. She’ll promote herself more once she drops the act she currently has going on.

Calling bs on the black eye photo. If it were real, the tabloids would be all over it.

Giles Coren spread the rumour about William's alleged affair with Rose Hanbury. He admitted later he'd put it up whilst totally pissed and then took it down as soon as sobered up.

Perhaps he's remembered who the long game is going to in his feudal snobbism, and trashing the Sussexes is his way of signaling to what increasingly looks like Nice Family Menaced By Madman that he's LOYAL!

R457 She might try, but she really doesn’t have much to offer someone richer than Harry. The prestige of being the king’s daughter in law will be hard to beat. At least now she does have a truly global platform, although increasingly for the wrong reasons.

R463, there will undoubtedly be a messy divorce. She can position herself after that on “Meghan surviving and thriving post divorce.” She never seemed to have trouble attracting men, she speaks with authority and confidence and men like that. She is certainly savvy. As for being the King’s DIL, it’s in name only. Besides, Charles is going to be a dud of a King. Once the Queen goes, so will a lot of global appeal of the BRF.

Unless she can get a full body transplant she will continue to be butthurt anytime an unaltered photo of her shows up. She can't seem to get her Suits body back. If she is in the public eye & cannot control the photos, horribly unflattering shots will continue to appear & be commented upon. This more than anything else is the steady, slow drip drip of poison to her. As she ages it will continue. They don't have the clout , backing or money to control the visual narrative. Invicus proved that. I still say that is why she went back home early. Loads of shots of figure & fashion flaws. Some of the shots of her neck & face with her hari pulled back & parted in the middle made her look like she was quickly morphing into Daddy Dearest.

That’s not a very realistic black eye—no swelling, no blue/purple/green coloring.

[quote]Once the Queen goes, so will a lot of global appeal of the BRF.

I guess the Queen is why there's a Duke of Edinburgh award USA and a Prince's Trust America.

They don't have to worry about global appeal. Global comes to them. ^

If I was her and I wanted out, I'd negotiate a handsome deal with the King in exchange for not writing the tell all of tell alls.

She's very unlikely to be rich in the hundreds of millions or billions or probably high tens of millions. But her character is understood. She could negotiate a sweet deal, enough to see her through old age and ignominy in more comfort than she would have managed otherwise. Whatever she'd get, it will be as good as she could ever manage.

But of course that loving marriage will see her to widowhood in advanced age.

Why must you fraus insist Meghan is ugly? Do you think you can fuck your way up to her level, and be hideous? You can not. She did loose whatever she had as a waist line though.

I just can't see her landing a Bezos, Musk, Murdoch, etc.

She's over 40 and she's incredibly indiscreet. Why would the richest men in the world want a woman who can't cross the street without alerting the press?

Who said she was ugly? The most recent Inv. Games just produced a lot of unmodified, not highly flattering photos. You think someone raised in the Industry & who frantically tried to be in the Industry, isn't concerned about any unflattering images of them?

She's proof of that, R469. Do try to keep up. I don't know, maybe paying attention to the FACTS.

Based on the packages of reviews released today, the Tina Brown book will excoriate Meghan. It will be followed by the Tom Bower Meghan bio, which won't be a valentine.

I strongly suspect the M is already in process of writing her own book....to set the record straight. There's no way in hell she's going to keep her trap shut.

At this point, the best thing that could happen to Meghan is that Harry dies young. Boy, would she play the martyr role for all its worth.

For the record, I don't want Harry to die. I feel sorry for him. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes, but he certainly seems like he's gotten himself into a real pickle. I can't imagine how anyone could be happy living in their constant--constant!--drama and almost completely isolated/alienated from longtime friends and family.

Does the Bower bio have a release date?

I often wonder if the reason the BRF doesn't come down harder on his traitorous behavior is that they are worried he might off himself then they will have the guilt and public blame of that to bear as well.

R473 The problem with Meghan writing her own book is that she's already done that. With the exposure or those court papers, everyone in the known galaxy has had it confirmed that Scabies was just her ghost writer.

She's been out of the BRF and Britain for more than two years. What new Victim Of The Windsors material can she have? She shot that wad with Scabies and Oprah. What is she going to do, tell us again that Kate made her cry? Repeat some of the lies that were later exposed? Talk about her Daddy heartbreak? How she got her "voice" back when she left? Tell more lies about how nobody helped her when she was provided with an experienced staff that she didn't listen to and whose lives she made miserable?

She'll end up doing what she's always done: make herself look self-pitying, dishonest, and staggering under the weight of her delusions of grandeur.

Look how her idiot husband cocked it up: one interview and the IGs are wrapping cod and chips.

ALL anyone is talking about is how Mean And Mental he revealed himself to be in that interview. Some half-decent PR buried under a mountain of jeers. And then the excerpts of the Brown book follow we Dimwit's mind-blowing car crash of an interview.

And what's the big secret about Kate? She really does love art and slips of incognito to museums for a "fix". It appears that Masters in Art History actually means something.

Bower will probably try for some "balance" to soften the appearance of a hatchet job. His problem will be how much of th he truth to tell yet inoculate himself against the inevitable attempts at legal action.

It continues to amaze me that the Sussex PR machine doesn't grasp that every time their clients open their mouts, they look more unlikable.

Why don't their handlers tell them to shut up?!

Whose book does anyone suppose will have more credibility: Brown's, Bower's, the Jobson bio of William due out to mark William's 40th - or Harry Windsor's rearrangement of history?

[quote] Why must you fraus insist Meghan is ugly.

I was looking at photos of Meghan when she was living in Canada, with Jessica Mulroney, during the suits era and I thought that was a very pretty and attractive woman with a great smile. People on DL hate, but I love the photo of her and Jessica Mulroney in the blue dress. That is the best I think she has every looked.

With that said, I really do find it interesting that she is having such a hard time with the body. "The Markle genes have kicked in", they say. Doesn't she have enough money and staff to defeat those genetics? I guess in Meghan's case, black really does crack, despite the old proverb.

The clothing she is wearing only makes her seem bigger b/c it looks like clothes to camouflage. Meghan's dressing went to shit when she became royal. Some bodies are not meant for certain labels, no matter if you can afford it. Meghan is a t-shirt, jeans, and fadora type of gal. I wonder if the response to her would have been different, even with her antics, if she retained or had a Diana level of beauty and charm.

I finished Tina Brown's "The Diana Chronicles" the other day, encouraged from DL to read. Meghan and Harry are really trying to recreate many of Diana's antics. When you see them chronicled in black and white, it's interesting to see the parallels. It's also interesting to see how much The Crown borrowed from the book, some of it word for word. Meghan will not go quietly.

[quote] She's been out of the BRF and Britain for more than two years. What new Victim Of The Windsors material can she have?

She does have diaries that were at the heart of many a blind gossip item pre Megxit. What I would be interested in is a real account, even skewed from Meghan's perspective, of the day to day, granular aspects of her time in the palace. That's her big money card. After that she has nothing. The macro bombshells have been detonated but a really micro approach could be interesting. What is Kate like, etc?

Tina Brown really can't understand why Kate Middleton and her mom were determined to get her married to William? You don't need Sherlock Holmes to figure out that one, Tina...

R478 can you please post a link to that pic of Meghan and Jessica. I too think she was very attractive when she was in Suits.

Not sure if she used surrogates or not (So many many rich/famous women use them under the radar), but she hasn’t looked the same since becoming a parent.

I’m not a Meghan hater, but she was the last person dumb fuck Harry needed to marry. She probably is a nightmare behind the scenes, but he really is the worst. Hope eventually he gets real help for his mental issues.

I can't figure out how they both present so 'not camera ready' so much of the time. Surely, if the claims Netflix did her styling, for IG, then WTH is up with them? I realize it was many an opportunity to catch her at her worst, but damn, they sure did catch her out. She did have a great smile back in the day in that shot w. Mulroney, but it was back in the day. Many a public person looks better at age 40 than this. Baffling, especially since she is a Hollywood Biz. brat. Was on set w. dad a lot. WHaa happened?

From now on I'm going to refer to Harry & Meghan as "HazMat."

I don't wish them ill, I find them like a soap opera...with very bad writing. They have incredible terrible instincts and I find people like that fascinating

I love the name "Lady Sarah Chatto." It sounds like a character in some English novel who turns to look back at you while holding a candle.

This is my favorite photo of Meghan and the best she's never looked, R481

I love Harry and Meghan because I love watching a slow trainwreck. I wouldn't have survived 2020 without all their shenanigans. The just can't stop digging. The last thing i want is for them to stop fucking everything up, so for me it wouldn't be that bad if they went back to the RF, because it would be disastrously entertaining.

I didn’t watch Suits but the photos I’ve seen all seem to be the “pencil skirt + blouse unbuttoned to there” look. “Hot babe in the office” type. That didn’t translate to her brief royal life, nor her current role. “Stylists” just gratefully grab whatever design house PR reps want to flog and then convince their clients it’s the latest trend and it looks great!! Fit doesn’t enter the equation.

The problem with Meghan is that she’s a narcissist. She thinks she knows best at a pathological level. That’s why she dresses terribly for her figure. She has it in her mind that she has legs for days (something that was absurdly drilled into her as a child based on that video online) so she wears ridiculous mini dresses without admitting she has spindly polio legs and a boxy figure. Her legs are terrible yet she continues to showcase them. She’s dressing for a delusion in her mind rather than reality. Add to that a sycophantic spouse and staff—no way she listens to a neutral stylist.

We all have our weaknesses in our looks. I wish I could dress “cool” but I look ridiculous in it, so classic is the way to go for me. I agree with the poster who said she needs really severe, tailored items. But she’ll never listen, she’s always right in her mind.

R179 She'd get sued.

And, by the way, the Windsors all keep diaries, too. It's a tradition.

That bullying report will be leaked the next day, and Toubati and others released from their NDAs.

And Meghan will still come out looking like the Mean Girl she is.

Thanks r486 for posting

(Continued from r488) Sorry, I didn’t finish that thought. Wardrobe stylists have strict production parameters and are better trained as well as being part of a team at work. Not to mention that on Suits, MM would have had little say in what she was wearing.

She might have a Netflix stylist these days but she is the ultimate decider of what to wear.

Charting Meghan Markle’s rise from Hollywood nobody to Duchess-to-be

Interesting comment about stylists not giving a shit.. Guess, I thought they were like Rachel Zoe, or at least how she presented in that show of hers. She was like a shark to get her clients to look like a million bucks. And boy she sure did polish many a turd, & turned a sow ass into a silk purse. Looking at you, Deb. Messing

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Louis to me looks a little bit like Prince Andrew. He has the Windsor mouth and teeth. George has looked pretty much the same, as has charlotte. When Louis came out, he looked like a mini-Mike Middleton, which would be a wonderful thing for him, but now he is changing with every picture. They say hairloss is on the mothers side and Mike has fantastic hair.

Wow, Tina Brown can certainly whip up an evocative story. Meghan, so ambitious, so untalented.

R497 - And so ruthless and lacking in any moral sentiments.

And it looks like this Violet woman whose sister dated Harry and who had just met Megs through her job with Ralph Lauren, she and Marcus set up the date with Harry.

R496 - He still has his baby teeth. - until his adult teeth grown in, too soon to judge He's a dead ringer for Michael Middleton. George looks all Windsor: he looks like the Queen's father and the Duke of Windsor; Charlotte looks like a blend of what William got from Diana, and like the Queen.

The excerpt from Brown's book on Meghan is certainly not flattering. Brown acknowledges Meghan's drive, but the overall picture, up to the meeting with Harry that Violet, Markus Anderson, and Meghan's publicist at the time, Gina Calthorpe-Crowne all helped organise, should disabuse everyone, including Harry himself, as to Meghan marrying him for anything but social ambition. If you look at photos of William and Kate in their university days together, they look like a young couple in love, natural, unretouched, sloppy, . . . young.

It's too bad, really. In hindsight, it's clear that Chelsy (especially) and Cressida both cared far more for Harry the person than Meghan ever has,

He was nothing but her next step up.

Please remember, Megsie knew nothing about Harry or the BRF prior to meeting Harry. All she cared about was that he was "kind."

R502 Yep. Sounds legit.

When it comes to the inevitable Tammy Wynette D. I. V. O. R. C. E. , Markle will file beat Harry to the Court House to file.

I know there is a poster here on these threads who insists she'll hang on to him, come hell or high water because he's all she has going for her; a rational argument, by the way, but my response to that is, she's misjudged herself and her situation - delusions of grandeur- since she set her cap on him.

Why wouldn't she misjudge her value post-divorce?

For instance, if she thinks she's going to trade Harry in and upgrade to a billionaire, she ain't no Wendi Deng or Lauren Sanchez.

Those two set a high standard when it comes to billionaire $nagging $kills, and I write that with sincere respect for their game.

Markle isn't close to their league. Hell, she isn't even on the same planet as those two.

And as another poster so colorfully and accurately pointed out, why would a billionaire want an aging , divorced ex-wife with two kids tugging at her skirt, when they can have a beautiful woman half her age with big tits?

I've written it before and I'll do so again- Markle would've been better off letting Harry marry some other poor fool, and she should've been his acknowledged mistress, money up front, of course.

Now, that position would really have made her interesting.

And spare me the moral outrage and peal-clutching. We all pay for it one way or another.

No perfume ad bullshit here.

Oh, and do check the hair: it was all hers then and it's all hers now.

Meghan has been trying to be this for longer than she probably cares to remember.

Oh, for sure, she would file first and file in CA to keep him trapped here if he wishes to ever see his kids. She really has him by the balls. I have seen many a shrew convince their husbands to move to the woman’s home state only to file for divorce. The man is trapped within 50 miles of the ex-wife if he ever wishes to have a relationship with his offspring.

On the other hand, r506, what if (and yes, I'm being melodramatic here) Harry re-engages his neurons?

What if it dawns on him that Prince Charles isn't immortal and has a lot of cash?

Can Harry afford to continue to risk alienating his Father at the risk of Charles taking Harry's name out of any disbursal of cash at Charles death?

If I were Harry, I'd divorce Markle so she can't get her clutches on any of Dad's dough-ray-mee when Dad dies.

Yeah, I went full Soap Opera here, but why not?

r241, I'm not very sure where you're basing this idea that Anne runs the whole show. The Queen actually seems to listen the most to her daughter-in-law Sophie, the Countess of Wessex.

R478 and R486:

I agree that Jessica Mulroney looks fantastic in her gown, and that blue number may be the best Meghan has ever looked -- but if you really take a look at her outfit, it's a mess - the bulky knots and gathered fabric, the pleats that add bulk to her hip silhouette and the décolleté that does nothing but reveal her anemic cleavage -- it really exemplifies the comment made above that Meghan doesn't wear clothes, they wear her.

To me, Meghan seems a woman of very limited taste, and she is too wrapped up in her vision of her own greatness to recognize just how poorly she presents herself to the public.

I think you can see in the R486 photo that she (or somebody) is trying to create the suggestion of a nice waist - which I don't think she had, even then. Pulling the fabric in from different directions to a central point.

Rectangle is a hard figure to dress for, especially with horrible chicken legs, but most people could do a better job than Meghan herself - that's the problem with NPD, like someone upthread said. They have a false image of themselves and can't be self-critical (which is why she can treat her 'underlings' like shit, not seeing anything wrong with her behavior - she has no innate ethics - just "If I can get away with it, I'll do it"

Not able to see that she's not getting away with it. She's destroyed her reputation because she lets her cruelty show. But then, they also can't learn because they don't let information in - rage and desperation to keep that false image prevent it.

GET OUT HARRY. You're a fucking mess but she's much much worse.

I wonder if the BRF have enough dirt on Meghan to stop her from playing hardball should a divorce every occur?

Aside from spite, is there anything in CA divorce proceedings to would give Harry an edge if the kids were to go to London for a visit? Despite the old laws, the Windsors are certainly not going to keep the kids with them and not give them back to Meghan. That would be too dreamy - the outrage of it all would truly destroy the BRF. Lilibucks (sorry, Della, I know how you feel but who ever came up with these nicknames is genius and I'm not one for lame DL nicknames) certainly is an all American girl with no ties to the UK other than her dad. Merchie is a Brit, but would't Lilibet have an American passport. My best friend was born in London and her daughter born here, making her an American who can apply for a British passport or dual citizenship.

I feel bad for Kate, she always seemed to be trying to be nice to Harry and then she has to see him shit all over her family.

Harry's acting like the son / grandkid who goes to visit the dying relative in the nursing home and abuses all the staff to prove how much he cares for his relative...even though this is the first time he's visited in years.

Here's what I think: they want their kids to be on that balcony during the jubilee. There are still pictures of toddler William and Harry on the balcony floating around the media, and they want their own kids to be photographed in the same way to visually cement their status as "royal family members". They're keeping they're keeping their kids' faces secret for now, planning to make their kids faces public on that day...so the first ever public photos of the kids will be as royal family members on the balcony with the queen. They also hope that this will divert attention away from the Cambridge kids towards their own kids. Harry will probably pick up the girl and hold her up to the queen so that the photogs can snap the "Lilibet and Lilibet" photo.

Sadly, the kids are probably a lost cause. But I was raised by a narcissistic mother who was bored with motherhood and that was my salvation. Grandmothers, nannies, babysitters of all kinds - if enough of them are compassionate, they'll be ok.

But she will definitely use them if Harry makes any kind of an issue over seeing them. They will become tools for her to use to hurt him.

So like I said, the best he can do with the kids is not push it at ALL -- and she might be happy to send them off for him to deal with, if he doesn't seem to care too much. He'd have to be smart and stealthy to pull that off - but I promise you she doesn't really care if she sees them often or not (see first Easter for Lilibet and first one Archie could enjoy - hope Doria or a nanny got him an Easter basket)

Don't cry for Harry - cry for those two babies.

"For the record, I don't want Harry to die. I feel sorry for him. "

I don't feel sorry for him but I do feel bad for him, he had a chance to get away from the BRF and live life on his own terms, and instead of doing something that would help him become a happy and well-adjusted person, he's gone to live a life of useless money-grubbing in California, with a wife who brings out the worst in him. And they really do bring out the worst in each other, they're both incredibly angry people, and put them together and all they'll ever do is egg each other on to alienate everyone they know, or who writes about them in the press. And the blowback will only make them angrier, and they're headed for lives of frustration and loneliness.

If he'd done what he originally intended to do and gone to set up a game preserve in Africa, he would have been able to really distance himself from the stresses of pubic life, AND he'd have had a chance to care about something more important than his own feelings, and that would have been the saving of him. But he turned his back on that chance, and with Meg's help, he's dug himself into the hell of caring about nothing but his own anger. Nobody who puts anger first can ever be happy.

Markle has an attractive face, certainly. But her actions make her Quasimodo.

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Don't know if it applies here, but I have a Scottish friend whose children were born in the USA. When they turned 18 or 21, can't remember which, they were able to choose which citizenship they wanted to keep.

That's what she said, anyway. Though I thought you could have dual citizenship -- if one of your parents is American, wherever you're born (like Archie), you're an American too.

I 'think' the opposite is true and Lilibet is British because her father is.

So the kids either have dual citizenship or they can pick either, when they're of age - well, I 'think' that's how it works. Any lawyers around?

For that matter, good old Boris Johnson was born in New York City. I'd be happy to take him back if we could get rid of the Donald (whose mother was born in Scotland, I think?)

Markle will make Jolie look sane when they divorce.

Meg will never divorce Harry until she has someone richer interested, and that's not going to happen! She's a short and now chunky 40-year-old mother of two, plus she's known to be an indiscreet bitch who abuses the staff and tries to use the press against anyone who pisses her off, a straight bazillionaire wants a woman who's hot AND who knows the value of discretion!

And she really is lacking in Style-with-a-capital-S. Diana had it from the get-go, Kate learned it slowly but surely, and Meg not only doesn't know how to dress for the figure she has rather than the figure she wants... she doesn't know how to "wear clothes". There's a knack to being camera-ready, a person has to always hold themselves in a way that will photograph well, or show off the clothes. I've seen it in person, at a meet-and-greets for political figures, and it looks weird in real life but great on camera... and Meg has never learned how. I mean she's trying, with the fixed smile, but you'd think an actress would know better than to be caught like this.

I predict Harry's future holds a made for tv movie based on his and his childrens' escape from the U.S. Something along the lines of that Sally Field movie "Not Without My Daughter".

He will abscond to the British Embassy in Washington D.C. while Meghan is at some yoga class and he will stayed holed up there until King Charles comes to his rescue.

I agree with Wallis, the bitch doesn't have real style and looks halfway decent only when extensively pshopped. The photogs took some real howlers at the IG.

Who? And two children, you say? Whose children?

Speaking of Jolie, I've always thought her stardom, such as it is, "humanitarian" while, once in a while, deigning to take an occasional "prestige" movie role, is Markle's goal model for where she wants to see herself.

Gee, Markle didn't take into account that, love or hate Jolie, she has one thing in abundance that Markle lacks- sheer, raw, star power, albeit with a lot of crazy to spice it up.

The next Invictus Games is at Whistler in 2025

The next Invictus Games are in Dusseldorf next year.

So the following comment surfaced on another board...

[quote] Harry doesn't need a ghostwriter for his book. His mother can write it for him.

R462 Yes the whole Rose Hanbury/William affair has been proven to be BS, though Meghan's hardcore fans will not let it go. The fall about between Rose and Kate allegedly stems from the back that one of Rose's kids were picking on George.

R473 Tina Brown's books just basically confirms everything that most of us already knew. It confirms what royal reporters and writers like Lady C and Robert Lacey have been saying since 2020. The Tom Bower book, however, I think is going to dig into Meghan's past in a way that others haven't dared to go. There has been something of a fear of going too far into Meghan's life before she met Harry. I think the reason why Bower's book worried Meghan allegedly is he's poking his nose around and digging up people from her past, people who perhaps are more open to talk after the Oprah interview because they don't see Meghan as being a victim.

Article about Tina Brown's book regarding Meghan

She looks good in R486--I think she still has the Deal or No Deal boobs there? Probably anyone would look good next to Jessica M--all that plastic surgery and that's as good as she can look.

I've liked a lot of Meghan's looks, for example the green leather pencil skirt and green blouse which also made the cover of Finding Freedom. Her clothing problem is her bad taste, and now being a short, 40ish, mother of two. Her looks problem is that she needed a lot of hair/make-up/procedures just to get to pretty, now beyond 40 and a bit dumpy, that prettiness is going to be harder to maintain. She'd be more attractive, IMO, if she went for a more natural, less femmed up look.

Meghan could lose custody if she overplays her hand and tries to pull something like Kelly Rutherford. I think Meghan would rather quietly separate from Harry if he becomes unmanageable than divorce him, though. As poster upthread said, she understands that he is the only thing giving her clout. But as Tina Brown’s account confirms, she is quick to part with people when they no longer match her upward trajectory. The question is, will Harry’s usefulness to her when he becomes the King’s son outweigh the embarrassment of failed Spotify podcast, failed Netflix show, widely ridiculed mémoire, etc. If it does’t (if Harry does’t succeed in making at least a « part-time in » Royal arrangement with his father), I could see Meghan deciding she will be better off without him. It would give her a chance to trash the entire family anew, this time Harry included, and paint herself even more a victim of a systemic racism.

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R351. The fact that an article so unfavorable to Meghan has appeared in a US paper shows how bad things are for them in the US. US media were extreme in the adulation of them just a year ago.

The review’s reference to the royal family as hidebound colonialists is a bit odd, however.

As things become more and more difficult economically, people will become increasingly angered by MM's relentless display of expensive jewels and costly designer clobber at every opportunity, especially when coupled with so-called charitable endeavours. The DM posts the price of everything she wears.

Kate manages to hit the right note with her working attire, now upgraded from frumpy Emilia Wickstead frocks to smart mid-priced blazers and plain trousers and simple jewellery. At least commenters don't berate her for extravagance at her public appearances.

KGT is a fat unfuckable old sow.

[quote] and paint herself even more a victim of a systemic racism.

And spousal abuse of the verbal/emotional kind. That's her trump card in her separation/divorce game.

R479, would those accounts be perceived as credible? Esp. after the Oprah interview?

R486, her head is photoshopped. It's disproportionate to her body. Jessica is looking at the camera. M. is staring off at something else.

Drip.

Drip.

Drip.

SPLAT!

Wow. that DM piece at r534 shows "It's on"! and William is mobilizing his media troops.

Meanwhile, I'm mobilizing my Popcorn, Cherry Pepsi & Barcalounger.

That WaPo article's comment section was immediately flooded with Meghan's PR making ad hominem attacks against Brown and claiming the book was a continuation of the "racist British press". All the PR in the world will never make Meghan palatable.Do you think Meghan will ever admit that to herself? When does the cash run out?

R541, burping up Cherry Pepsi and popcorn is an art form few of us ever live to see. ;~} The Cabbage Patch parents do move like peristalsis, don't you think?

R542, another theme in the coverage of the last week is that the two of them are emotional decision makers with a huge sense of victimhood. It is unlikely they can admit anything that might save them from themselves.

[quote]But as Tina Brown’s account confirms, she is quick to part with people when they no longer match her upward trajectory.

The question is at what point does become somewhere to go other than up.

[quote]I don't like the Sussexes' prospects when William takes the helm.

That's ten or fifteen or twenty years away. That's a long time for a marriage between two people who were children of divorce.

Suppose the random factors that could afflict anyone come into play.... middle age disillusionment or, say, a personality plagued by something like permanent envy or grievance adding to the pressure of daily life and earning your income. Then again, raising kids these days is so complicated, too. Does your kid go to Harvard or rehab or court?

So many things can go wrong in a decade or two. Of course, that would never affect these two. The foundational strength of their union is plain as day.

Talk about taking a sh*t in your own bed. She really has. Imagine who she could have been & what she could have enjoyed if she just had played the game. Thought she was raised in the biz., was an actress. Being an active member of the RF. Put on your costume, stand on your mark, say your lines a few times a month. Then kick back into sartorial splendor, servants, jewels, the works! Man imagine having a shot at that life & kicking it to the curb?

If Harry really wants his kids on that balcony, he's going about it . . . Well, brilliantly isn't the right word

He meets his Gran and his stepmother that he plans to trash is allegedly, present and then heads off to the IGs looking distinctly NOT looking like the cat that ate the canary.

After the IGs, he goes on TV and tells a transparent whopper filled with spite aimed at the rest of his family and Gran's closest friend, and follows it up with statements about his long-dead Mum that reveal just how much of a pathetic mess he is.

The next day, said closest friend is pointedly seen with the Queen at Sandringham.

They would have to be as crazy as Harry to let him onto that balcony with Megs and the kids.

The entire rest of the family will fight it. They know what will happen: the presence of the viper and her now clearly mentally I'll husband, who a couple of months earlier insulted them all on television, will suck all the air out of the room. and all the headlines will start off with MEGHAN AND HARRY APPEAR ON THE BALCONY WITH . .

And the Queen and Charles and the Cambridges will all come after the "with".

I'd like to think that even the people who ket this hey this far with his ducal title intact couldn't be that stupid . .

But at this point, who knows?

From the Maul: Prince Harry's claims he is making sure the Queen is 'protected' may have been sparked after seeing Prince Andrew escorting Her Majesty to Prince Philip's memorial, Buckingham Palace aides have claimed.

Pretty clever. If sources close to Sussex counter with a denial, they're in bed with the York tribe and all the dignity and upstanding character that Prince Andrew justly embodies. If they don't, Buckingham Palace has insulted the York tribe on their behalf. Now they may figure that out, the gang of them, but the message for the Yorks is you're caught in the crossfire of this by being in bed with them. Is there enough thin skin in the two tribes to let it roll off the back fat?

r547 I wonder if Eugenie will now reassess her alliance with them?

The Jobson excerpt in the DM is fascinating and a bit harsher and more insightful on William and the family generally than I expected:

- William seems to have just as bad a temper as Harry, or worse, but is a much more private person and mostly unleashes his screaming fits at Kate and Charles, so it’s less well known. But when his temper isn’t raging, he sounds more soft-hearted (in a good way) than his dad or grandmother and is genuinely interested in homelessness and other social issues. This version of William is the first time the two brothers sound like they came from the same gene pool, personality-wise.

- Kate yells right back at William, doesn’t defer in private. Kate is also the architect of the family’s (successful) media approach. Perhaps this explains why so many of the recent tabloid articles focus on her and her role, if she’s the one driving the narrative. This version of their relationship hews closer to what Tatler described in their big Kate piece (apart from the visits to the psychic, which still puzzles me).

- William irks Charles by acting as if they’re on an equal footing in the succession, but Charles doesn’t stand up for himself—Camilla complains to William instead! If Charles is really this passive, it explains the muddled handling of the inter-family scandals.

Yes, R549. I found that read quite fascinating. William's tempers made me think of George VI, though I got the impression he is not insecure like George VI so not dependant on his wife.

I was interested that read Kate gives as good as she gets in private. That completely surprised me. All things in, I didn't think she was minded to give as good as she gets. Certainly undercuts a lot of the mannequin rubbish the winged monkeys like to spout, not that they have the reading and comprehension skills to absorb it, or the integrity to do anything but lie in aid of their lost cause.

William has a temper according to whom? Charles, a man who never hears the word 'no'? A man who himself is known for having raging fits? William probably does not suffer fools, but the unchecked temper description is Charles besmirching his son out of jealousy.

Charles doesn’t exactly come off well by Jobson, though, he sounds like a bit of a dim doormat.

[quote] Certainly undercuts a lot of the mannequin rubbish

Perhaps, but it becomes even more fascinating to consider why, if Kate is genuinely a power player and on relatively equal footing within the marriage, and has a controlling hand in driving the Cambridge media strategy, she has chosen to act like a mannequin in public, including the very timid public speaking. It has always been strange to me how her persona has changed so much from the sporty, strong, healthy, even wild-seeming pre-marriage Kate to the silent, timid, painted, and poised Duchess of Cambridge she is now. If that’s purposeful on her part—and in Jobson’s version is it—what does she think playing that part does for the family?

Interesting and sad that, despite his own long and patient service as King-in-waiting, Charles is said to not command much respect or deference from his sons, according to the article. In the olden days it would be "yes papa, no papa."

R541 Della, you are a turd sandwich.

No, make that a cheese curd sandwich, r554. That will go nicely with my popcorn, CP and Barcalounger.

Kate has really seemed to blossom in the last few years. She seems to struggle with nervousness when speaking publicly, but otherwise has firm convictions and ideas. For all of her attempts to position herself as secondary to William, she is the star of the family. R552, I think Kate does not crave attention but receives it nonetheless and must make it clear to the rest of the family that she staying in her lane.

I've always detected a steeliness in Kate.

Her resiliency in waiting for William ( and he's damn lucky she did) was fodder for ridicule, but, to me, it indicates a tough interior.

[quote] It has always been strange to me how her persona has changed so much from the sporty, strong, healthy, even wild-seeming pre-marriage Kate to the silent, timid, painted, and poised Duchess of Cambridge she is now. If that’s purposeful on her part—and in Jobson’s version is it—what does she think playing that part does for the family?

I think she's sees it as a necessity. Man, she's turning out to be one shrewd, steely, Queen Consort in waiting.

As I've observed before, what Truman Capote said of Babe Paley: "[she] has only one flaw, she's perfect. Other than that, she's perfect."

applies to Kate, a woman I find thrillingly, perfectly boring, but that personality, whether fake or not, is exactly what is required to do the job.

Seriously, poor Meghan. I mean that. she simply did not have the shrewdness and canniness to say, for example, "I simply can't compete with a 5'10', 122lb, Queen Consort to be. So, I'll concede that ground and carve out a unique role in my own right and submit to the rules along the way."

And look at where the Sussexes are now. Nowhere, and I'm applying their own measure.

If Obama or Di Caprio want to advance an initiative, who's on their call list? The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge or the Sussexes?

I find some of the Jobson quotes about William and Kate really interesting, and I think they point to the reason why they are both successful in their roles. In many ways, they sound very similar to George VI and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

Like George, William seems to have some damage from his childhood (haven’t we all?) and it manifests itself in a hot temper and insecurity, but ultimately both men have a commitment to self-control and duty which allows them to overcome their negative emotions and channel them into positive work. And William, like George, had the intelligence to pick a wife who is strong enough to cope with his flaws, and who is the bedrock of the solid family life he craves.

I’ve never believed that someone could make the leap Kate has made, to the top of the Royal Family without being an extremely strong character, but like the Queen Mother, her power comes from the fact that she is seen as being a great supporter of the future monarch. Kate defers to William in public, and he treats her protectively, but in private it seems she recognises that her role is to make William feel normal, and that involves being supportive and honest, and occasionally being the one to tell him things no-one else will. There is a great deal of respect and mutual trust there.

In some ways, Harry and William are quite similar, and I think they both chose wives who offered refuge from a conventional royal life. William’s good fortune was that his wife mitigates his own insecurities. Harry’s tragedy is that his wife offered him an escape, but only feeds his sense of resentment.

Because Meghan is psycho. Today's latest PR is that they have hired one of Obama's former aides and hint Meghan is going into politics. Can she not leavecthe Obama's in peace? And, why is a former Obama aide fool enough to hitch her wagon at this late stage?

How are they paying all of these people they hire?

r559 Going into politics??!! She can't handle scrutiny as it is and I think many people in the democrat party who have spent years working hard and earning their stripes might have something to say at an attempt by her to leapfrog into any candidate position. Then again some of them like Gillibrand of New York were idiotic enough to embrace and support her in the past.

Not if Nancy Pelosi has any say. She honored QE2 with the Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Woman of Leadership Award in December. Last week, her son gave a radio interview at a Netherlands station and remarked everyone felt sorry for Harry, that he was basically under Meghan's thumb. I think Harry is equally wretched, but it is interesting how people in those circles paint their relationship.

it's the Democratic party.

"democrat party" is Trumper/Fox News/ Repug jargon

R553 doesn't know much about the history of the British royals. Rows between the monarch and the heir (the 'Reversionary Interest') were routine and vicious, especially under the Hanoverians.

Reading through the lines, the Obamas despise Meghan. Pelosi clearly does, too. AOC and others in the progressive wing haven't mentioned her in ages. Gillibrand is a sinking ship and her touting of Meghan demonstrates why.

Forgot to add, Hillary has thrown a few twitter bones to Meghan but it has been ages.

r563 I live in the UK and our media refers to them as the Democrats. Not unreasonable of me to do the same and no I am not a Trumper.

Apparently Harry was referring to the Queen's advisors when referring to the "people around the Queen." He's very bitter that he did not get his half-in/half-out plan. The reality is if his life was going so well, he wouldn't be pissed about this still.

Well let's compare her polling to... others. She is a low key, modest, humble person doing a job she understands in a way that makes it about others, not herself.

Not remind you of anybody?

R569 in reply to R552. ^

[quote]KGT is a fat unfuckable old sow.

I don't think that's true. You'd need a lot of kids to live off benefits and avoid work entirely.

R567, yes, we're called the Democrats or the Democratic Party, but using "Democrat" instead of "Democratic" as an adjective is definitely a right-wing slam tactic in the US. I don't know what their thinking was when they started doing that, but I think it's a subtle psychological thing--e.g., "we can't even be bothered to get your name right."

P.S. I remember it as having started before Trump. The Republican yokels have loved to say "The Democrat Party" for a long time now.

Thank God that Harry went and checked on Her Majesty! It relieves my worry that she's been horribly neglected, ever since she did the Christmas show with no bra.

From a column in The Times:

If there is one thing I am truly grateful for, it is Prince Harry looking out for all the hunted, vulnerable lickle women who crowd his silly life.

He seems to believe that what defines the women of the royal family is that they are all unfocused, dithery hopelessnesses.

His first instinct, for example, on meeting the supremely capable TV star Meghan Markle was to protect her from the press she had hitherto much loved.

Now he tells us he has made sure the Queen is also “protected” in a 15-minute flying visit to Windsor.

Is it just me or is all this a bit patronising? If there is one woman in the world who does not merit being turned into a victim it is our 96-year-old monarch. But it seems there is a pattern. Tina Brown’s bumptious new book about the royal family is filled with women quietly picking their way around the prince, or having to deal with his hatred, like Camilla, who unwisely turned his former bedroom at Highgrove into a dressing room for herself.

I get that Harry is angry at the past — but shouldn’t he vent his anger at Charles?

Cressida Bonas, his girlfriend before Meghan, clearly got fed up “being yelled at or ignored while he threw a hissy fit”. According to Brown, Cressie dumped him after tiring of his mental health issues, leaving him to find someone happier to play the passive, grateful martyr.

Was Cressida the one Harry refused to pay for her airline ticket to go to the wedding of one of his friends? Or was that Chelsy?

^it was Cressida.

Huzzah!

I think Brown's book will do well, with just enough tidbits to make a read worthwhile. It appears she has Cressida on the record, her Palace sources are likely strong, and I cross my fingers for Jessica as an anon resource.

[quote] we're called the Democrats or the Democratic Party, but using "Democrat" instead of "Democratic" as an adjective is definitely a right-wing slam tactic in the US. I don't know what their thinking was when they started doing that, but I think it's a subtle psychological thing--e.g., "we can't even be bothered to get your name right."

There’s a more obvious reason. The -ic is removed to avoid confusion with the lower case d word democratic.

That quote at R575 (from Camilla Long in The Times) is a pretty accurate summing up of Harry's whole situation.

I can't wait to watch the Prince Hamlet and Pazuzu divorce trial on youtube!🤩 I wonder who will shit the bed?

The “ic” is removed to use “Democrat” as a pejorative to make it sound like “rat,” as in saying “the Democrat Party” instead of “the Democratic Party.” It’s particularly gleeful to those who do this because “Democrat” is still a proper term in other usages (“I’m a Democrat”) so it creates the kind of deniability perfected by small children fighting in the backseat of a minivan over whether they’re poking each other or not.

I wouldn’t expect someone not steeped in US politics to know that, though.

So, if true, that leaves the Grenadiers, Irish Rangers, and the Yorkshire regiment.

If HM gives the Grenadiers to William, it will cement the new War of the Rose's between the Yorks and the Cambridges.

That leaves Kate, Edward, Sophie for the others.

Kate would work for the Irish Rangers. Green is definitely her colour.

They can't give the Grenadiers to anyone but William out of that lot in terms of prestige.

Except for Charles, of course. Oh, that would so burn Eugenie's arse!

^*Roses (not Rose's)

Harry and Meghan's neighbours hate them. Say they are not part of the community and are rarely seen outside of their house.

Why would they ever leave their house if not getting paid? It's their only motivation to do anything besides plotting and executing revenge.

Supposedly the neighbors hate them because Meggy Sharp acts like "a cat in heat" around the wealthy husbands of others.

Wait a minute, how can that be? Haz said they have a welcoming community "up in Santa Barbara." Could he be lying again, as when he asserted he had a cozy humor filled chat with the Queen...in 13.5 minutes? It's not adding up, Haz.

Photo @R586 shows unretouched craggy Bickersons.

Kate got the Grenadier Guards, R584.

Edward will probably get one of the remaining military positions. Maybe Camilla or Sophie for the other?

[quote] It’s also largely down to Catherine that William has changed his view of the media, accepting that the Royal Family rely on it for their existence. That’s why the birthdays of their children are marked with photos – frequently taken by the Duchess of Cambridge herself – and they’re often photographed at public events.

Hmmm....so it wasn't Chuck.

[quote] In the Sussexes’ televised interview with Oprah Winfrey, Meghan claimed that Harry, in a conversation with a member of the Royal Family while Meghan was pregnant, had been asked how dark his son’s skin might be. Given that his wife was bi-racial, the implication was that this was a racist remark. So who said it? The couple subsequently ruled out the Queen and Prince Philip, and I can also rule out Prince Charles. I’ve been told who was responsible, and I’m convinced the remark was made during a light-hearted exchange. As one source told me: ‘It was not meant to be taken seriously, and the entire situation has been taken out of context. What followed is frankly unfair and appalling.’

Regarding the Sussexes behavior...

Only people who aren't happy with themselves are mean to others.

Unfortunately for the Brits, who love a laugh, didn't realize humor is now a capital offense. Harry who is English might have realized it was lighthearted, but was happy to let it be used for outrage , clicks, & hopefully More Money., More Money, More Money. Member how he was almost crying after dropping the Racissst bomb that Daddy had cut off his allowance

Pretty bad when Trump says you are whipped and your marriage will not last. HA!

I like Kate's photos of her children, that is a nice touch. The latest of Louis were really cute.

In Australasia we say Democrat Party not Democratic Party as well. I've been accused of being a Boris for using it, but that's how it is called outside of the USA it seems.

Meghan claimed the unidentified 'racists' - and she claimed there was more than one - in the family said that when she was pregnant. When Harry showed up for his bit of the interview, he contradicted her and said a person said it to him before they got married. It was probably a joking around comment - probably more targeting Harry the Ginger than his vaguely black future wife. But she decided to weaponize the race card to play the victim.