If you had a time machine, who would you save from AIDS?

Heather O'Rourke.

So young!

According to Wikipedia she died of "Congenital stenosis of the intestine causing septic shock", not AIDS.

Liberace

The first person who spread aids in the gay community.

I don’t know if that would’ve stopped it, but it certainly would’ve been worth a try

Gaetan Dugas. That would have saved everyone!

Why not everyone? Why let it start. Go back far enough.

Him, David Kirby.

Sylvester

Paul Monette

Michael Bennett.

Dursley McLinden. He was a UK actor in the 80s. He was absolutely gorgeous. Died when he was 30. He could have become a well known name in the UK I feel.

Paul Kenan. Tony from Dynasty.

My best friend. Seriously he died from complications of HIV.

My first thought, R11, was Olly Alexander's character in It's A Sin. Both Ritchie(Alexander) and McLinden were from islands as well; the Isle of Wight and the Isle of Man, respectively.

R13 I change my vote to your best friend.

Freddie Mercury

Not that anyone deserved such a rotten death, but I'd say Ryan White & other children who contracted the disease through blood tranfusions. Even though Ryan most likely would have grown up to be a Gay-Hating, Card Carrying Tea-Partier in Indiana.

Or someone like actress Amanda Blake. A person who most likely caught the diesease from a closeted-homo spouse.

I vote for R13's best friend too.

The whore in me wants to say Wade Nichols/Dennis Parker. Just for the simple fact that I find him so damn hot. But by all appearances (and accounts from people who knew him), he had a history of engaging in risky behavior, even before AIDS was a thing.

I lost so many friends to AIDS, not fair to ask me to play God 😢

Randy Shilts

Aww, r15 and r18, your sweet sentiment has made me cry.

“Even though Ryan most likely would have grown up to be a Gay-Hating, Card Carrying Tea-Partier in Indiana.”

Did you see that in your crystal ball, R17? Or do you just pull that out of your ass?

My boyfriend. Died in April 1996. In the Fall of 1996 protease inhibitors were available in my country....

No one. It's not our problem.

Amanda Blake

If I had a time machine I’d accompany one of the scientists who knows the ingredients for PrEP and take him or her back to the 1970s.

Considering the speed at which the Covid vaccine was created and distributed I wonder how quickly a vaccine/cure for HIV would have been created if there was the financial incentive or political will.

Foucault, had he finished his intellectual career, we wouldn't suffer the monstrosity that is queer theory today.

Africa.

[quote] Did you see that in your crystal ball, [R17]? Or do you just pull that out of your ass?

Actually R23, I pulled the crystal ball-sized anal beads out of your rancid ass. Is that why you're so bitter?

Dack Rambo

Halston

Arthur Ashe. He was like the Barack Obama of the tennis world. A cool, classy guy.

My cousin Mike. Straight guy. Married. Was a Marine, later an airline pilot. He was insane. Shouldn't have died at age 37.

Howard Ashman. The great musicals we'll never see.

Burt Reynolds; Paul Allen; Jan Hooks; Gilda Radner; Andy Warhol...

Seconding Freddie Mercury. Also Patrick Kelly, who would have done amazing things with fashion if he'd lived.

Openly gay glam rock musician Jobriath.

Freddie Mercury

My uncle on my father's side. I only met him a few times but he was a really nice guy and took me to my first viewing of Rocky Horror Picture Show (he went in drag).

Brazilian singer Cazuza, what a talent!

Can you imagine if you could take back a modern HIV scientist and start synthesizing and distributing modern meds in the mid-80s? Culturally, we'd be in a very different world.

Freddie Mercury

Yes, we've all heard Freddie Mercury already.

Rock H.

If it has to be someone famous, Brad Davis. He had a minor daughter at the time.

Ryan White.

My friend Gord. He was handsome, brilliant, and witty. He could be really bitchy, too. He would have put most posters here to shame.

His parents denied he was gay as he lay dying in their home. That was sad too, as Gord was never in the closet.

my twin brother

Freddie Mercury for sure 👍

Has any one said Freddie Mercury yet?

R36 I'm not sure they all died of AIDS complications?

Paul Monette, Freddie Mercury, John Curry, Rudolf Nureyev

No one deserves to die that way. So, everyone.

Except Roy Cohn.

He deserved it.

I didn't have anything to do with Roy's death! But if I had, it would be the most beautiful murder imaginable! With cherubs and gold lamé draping!

Gary

[quote]provided you could convince them of the danger and their need to take this medication for the rest of their lives.

Or you could just convince them not to have unprotected sex.

I’d save everyone, except Roy Cohn.

Corey Haim.

Kitty

R60 that’s MISS Kitty to you.

R60, Please see R26.

Charles Laughton

Peter Allen

"Culturally, we'd be in a very different world."

Nah. Everyone would still be in the closet. Absolutely no one was out before AIDS. It blew open the closet door.

You’re a new kind of idiot OP. You really should think a bit about what you’re saying. You don’t have a clue of the suffering among gay men from the early 80s until about 1996- not a clue. And you also don’t have an inkling of the value of human life. God there are trolls on DL. R65 is a dunce too. No idea what he’s talking about.

Damn, hard choice and an interesting dilemma (and I totally disagree with r66 and I’m gonna play the HIV researcher card. R66, I can GUARANTEE I know more about this disease, and more people affected, and who have died than you, everyone on this site, and 99.9% of the world’s population. It’s a thought exercise, not an ignorant question so back off!)

I’d selfishly choose a friend from high school who died before he was 21.

Elizabeth Glaser. Such a strong woman

So so many people. This is my choice, based on nothing but an interview I saw with him on TV when I was a kid (maybe 11?) but he seemed so sweet and serious. Yeah, he was a dopey porn performer (I hadn't seen any porn then, gay or straight) and he wasn't really my type (although he was very cute) but I still remember being impressed by his sincerity.

I *think* I remember seeing him on Donahue once as well (totally dating myself here :)

[quote] Or you could just convince them not to have unprotected sex.

Ask Larry Kramer how that went.

[quote]Ask Larry Kramer how that went

He’s a little dead at the moment, but I’m sure he’d have something to say.

yes, dear, but there's plenty from him on the record about it.

Scott

James

Walter

Steven

Eddie

Kevin

Gene

Robert

Tony

Jerry

Ray

Fred

Tom

Leonard

David

Peter

Bill

Their names have all been a blessing.

[quote]yes, dear, but there's plenty from him on the record about it.

Sure. And that’s why you said ask a dead guy, instead of look up something he might have said? Dear?

It wasn't a literal suggestion, dumbass.

Ryan White and every child that contracted AIDS via blood transfusions. Poor things. They died virgins and yet they were treated like disgusting pigs! It was awful.

Houdini

[quote]It wasn't a literal suggestion, dumbass

Whatever. You said something stupid, got snotty about it, and then defensive. Take the L and let it go.

[quote] Whatever. You said something stupid, got snotty about it, and then defensive. Take the L and let it go.

Oh sweetie, you really need to win so badly, don't you, no matter what it is. Sad, really. Here, I'll give you the victory so you have something to hang on to. Now, run off and enjoy it and let the adults talk.

Totie Fields

Keith Haring. He did a lot to raise awareness of HIV and AIDS.

Marvin Gay(e)

Sorry, he did a lot to raise awareness about HIV and AIDS.

Tony Perkins

Ok, thanks r79. You seem to always want to have the last word, so thanks for ceding that to me. You’re dumb AND exhausting. So again, thanks.

Well .. Like most elder gays..I lost 3, 762 friends to AIDS. The numbers go up & down depending on Im talking to.

R66 It's just a question. It's not making light of the AIDS crisis (I'm assuming this is what you're thinking) to wonder who people would prefer to be saved, given the opportunity. I'm well aware of how the virus decimated the gay community and asking questions like this gives additional perspective for all sorts of reasons.

I was watching a TV show from the early 90's and saw an actor I liked, Googled him, and was surprised to learn he died a few years after filming that episode from AIDS complications. I started wondering about who else that happened to that I didn't know about, hence this question.

For example, I'm learning names of people who I hadn't heard of before this thread, some I didn't know that died of AIDS. And it's also a reminder that a lot of people that died were other people's loved ones; knowing there are posters here who recall family members and friends from that time brings things closer to home. The further events like this recede in history, the more is forgotten, and it's good to learn about them from people while they are still around.

Every single friend we buried. So, so many funerals. Such a great loss of talent, beauty and dear friends in Los Angeles, Texas snd NYC. Terrible tragedy from which I will never recover.

It prompted my husband and I to decide on no funeral nor service. It is too painful for all.

^ Spring Hill Funeral Home in Atlanta was the only mortuary that would take the AIDS dead in the 80s. Seems like I was going there once a month because of a lost friend 😢

Tony Powell💔

Keith Haring.

Be good if we could head back to pre-WW1 Kinshasa and just dump PrEP in the water supply.

R36 Gilda died of ovarian cancer. She probably had the gene for it. Please cite your sources that she died of AIDS.

R93 I think a few people just didn't read or understand the question.

Everyone I knew who died of it, including a guy from grammar school whose death I learned about on the AIDs quilt.

My friend Gavin. He was the first person I knew to get sick, before anyone understood the virus. He was treated so badly by ignorant, judgemental hospital staff, and his death was nightmarish. He deserved better.

Harvey Fierstein

Vito Russo

Michael Callen (American singer)

He had a beautiful voice.

My brother. I have missed him so bitterly.

There were other limitations that hindered AIDS research- the iPhone in your pocket had more power than all of NASA, the World Wide Web was in its infancy, and the ease and urgency of collaboration among doctors and activists simply didn’t exist, any angst is misplaced and we’re going to see a lot more of it when artificial intelligence catches all the little connections humans have missed the past 100 years…

Bringing bottles of meds into 1980 would be like dragging a laser printer into the past for a monk transcribing Bibles- and expecting him to know how to use it. Doctors wound have to know exactly how the medication and any follow up works.

What if we saved the next Hitler that had the AIDS?

[quote]What if we saved the next Hitler that had the AIDS?

We've already agreed that Roy Cohn dies no matter what.

Klaus Noni

Patrick Cowley

Gia Carangi

The chimp or ape that gave it to the first human.

Roland Wybenga

My Darling friend Peter, who always called himself Peter, Peter Big Cock Eater. My personal stylist & guide to living , 'the life'.. I needed loads of help, I was so clueless as a young gayling. Had no taste, no cash & no ability to deck out my big, sporty, rangy body. He was my go to in dressing, how to behave, flirt, act in a bar. I was so shy & clueless. .

He always said he would commit suicide if diagnosed & did.

This one hurt me the most of all the deaths.

How would you save them from AIDS? How far back do I have to go? The moment of their birth and take them to a cabin where they won’t be exposed to unrestrained loads of cum?

R101 But by the same argument what if we had saved a person who would go on to find a cure for cancer or AIDS for that matter.

I don't know who I would save because there were simply so many lives lost.

R107, from OP's post (actually, this is the entirety of his post without the thread title):

[quote]Let's say you could bring back enough HIV treatment, or PrEP to protect a few people, provided you could convince them of the danger and their need to take this medication for the rest of their lives.

Tony Perkins, but not Rock??

John Curry, the skater. What a talent.

Bill Krauss

Andy Warhol. And fuck you all, yes he did.

Andy Warhol was assassinated by Valerie Solanas. It just took him 20 years to die.

All of my friends who died from AIDS. I had about a half dozen friends I know for sure died from the virus. Some were more acquaintances than deep friends but they were young, and deserved more time to figure out their lives. I'm in my fifties now and it took me until I was 30 to really get my life going in a rewarding way. They didn't get that chance.

I think of Bill, the beautiful Kennedyesque guy I barely knew, but who exuded masculinity and beauty. I wonder what he would be now. He was like a greek god in sunlight. I was surprised when I heard about his death.

I wish we hadn't lost a generation of us.

Somebody nice and kind.

All the friends I lost.. Ron Don Jim Jeff Terry Bob Bill Steve

Timothy Patrick Murphy 😪

All of my brother's friends -- especially his best friend, Michael, the funniest person I ever knew (a gay, Jewish boy from Atlanta, "raised" by black housekeepers). With the exception of one friend (who has been living with HIV for 25+ years), my brother's entire social circle from the 1980s died of AIDS. Including two long-term exes, who contracted it post-breakup.

He doesn't talk about it much (or ever, really), but a few years ago while looking through an old photo album of mine, we came across some pictures of Mike -- with me, and our mom, at her 60th birthday party (a rousing affair) -- and we BOTH started crying.

Having lived in NYC in the early 1980s at age 21-26, and working as a musician for two dance companies, it was heartbreaking to lose so many friends and so many talented people. Tim, Kevin, Bert, Charlie, George, Miguel, Ed, Brian, Dale, another Kevin, Keith, Bill, Clifford, Philip, and many many more. And because of the stigma, many just floated away to die with family (or alone), rather than go public with their illnesses, even to friends. Most of these would just be in their 60s now, or perhaps 70s, and probably beginning to have illnesses and health conditions befitting people in the last decades of life. But so much beauty could have been added to the world if they had lived. Multiply that by all the artists, musicians, singers, designers, actors, writers, poets. It was a decimation of talent. And then just the social friends of my youth. Fully half of them gone by 1996.

I'd like to save everyone, because maybe we'd actually still have culture and art worth experiencing. When we lost that dynamic generation of witty, erudite, creative men to AIDS, we had no one to mentor us. Not only did the artists die, but the audiences for certain kind of art died with them. I think the AIDS crisis is partially to blame for the mass idiocy we find ourselves experiencing today (the other part being the internet, which pounded the final nail into culture).

This man

[quote] You may love the boy and lay him naked across your knees and kiss him and make him laugh but it isn't you he sees

There are only two correct answers:

Freddie Mercury and George Michael.

Both overrated

Everybody.

Steve

Elisha

The Lindbergh baby.

John Denver

Abraham Lincoln

John F Kennedy

Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman

My good friend Tom who lived in Greenwich Village. Handsome and with the best sense of humor of anyone I ever met. He was 25 when diagnosed mid 1984. When he started getting sicker he quit his job and moved back home to his parents suburbia home in Oregon and died early 1986.

The San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus.

Jesus Christ.

[quote] Jesus Christ.

Mara Hobel, is that you?

Jermaine Stewart

There’s a film called Sophie’s Choice where Sophie has to choose whether to save her son or her daughter from the Nazi gas chamber. That’s what the OP is asking. An artist or some celebrity is better to save than another, or an anonymous young man in the prime of his youth. This is one of the most insensitive and clueless posts I’ve ever seen on DL. I’m stunned that others don’t see this.

^ See my post @r20 and the 23 up votes. We see it

[quote] I think the AIDS crisis is partially to blame for the mass idiocy we find ourselves experiencing today

I remember reading/hearing someone (Fran Lebowitz?) saying this very thing.

R138 and r139 please see the explanatory post on r87 that was posted in response to the last poster who was highly offended.

R138 also the OP did not say this at all: "An artist or some celebrity is better to save than another, or an anonymous young man in the prime of his youth." Those are your words.

Yes, R140, she has said that. In fact, like everything Fran says, she's said it MANY times.

If you had a time machine would you save yourself from eating that last piece of Banana Cream Pie 🥧?

Jim Henson

No one. We have enough whores today. Don't need anymore walking around.

R145 Jim Henson the puppeteer? I didn't know he died of AIDS.

R147, The moment I heard about JH's death on the radio back in 1990, I thought, "AIDS!" JH was a creative, and he died at an age (53) and at a time in history (1990) when many men in the arts were suddenly dropping dead from AIDS. He and his wife separated not divorced in 1986, which was near the peak for new HIV diagnoses. The official reason for the separation was that J was too busy working.

Yes, there's an entire backstory about how he was busy and didn't want to seek medical treatment until it was too late. But he knew at least a couple weeks in advance that he was ill and said so to various people; and his estranged wife came to visit him at the final days of his life. He died of pneumonia, which was a common opportunistic infection (and cause of death) for people with HIV at the time. And that's why I think it was HIV/AIDS.

A few causes of death were tossed around by various medical pundits, including disseminated strep infection, bacterial pneumonia, toxic shock and multiple organ failure. A sad, unfortunate and unpleasant, and also unusual way for an HIV-negative wealthy otherwise healthy person to suddenly die.

Of course Disney, with which he'd just signed a contract for new material and with which JH was already working for steadily, would do anything in their power to keep HIV news about one of their most lucrative creatives away from the media. He sold his production company to Disney around the time he and his wife separated. Yet JH continued to work for Disney. His production company focused on family-friendly entertainment and his stuff was very popular with religious conservatives as a source of family and child-safe entertainment . A public AIDS announcement would have torpedoed that money machine.

I never bought the original story from the first moment I heard it.

Ah, that makes sense, r148 - he'd definitely be one that they'd want to keep an AIDS diagnosis quiet.

My Uncle and my Brother-in-law. I guess I'd have to do a Sophie's choice if I could only save one. I'd pick my Brother-in-law because he was only 35.

This poor kid who is now scarred for life.

I already made my choice, but I’m reminded of an acquaintance (definitely not a friend) named Gary Garland who *insisted* his mom was named Judy and she drove a taxi. When he died, his obituary listed her name which was NOT Judy. No word on whether she drove a taxi.

He was funny, but not to be trusted (for many reasons) and I thought “That’s so typical of Gary.”

[quote] This poor kid who is now scarred for life.

Not only that, his parents named him “Brryan”? What monsters.

No one who survived the crisis in my generation thinks this is a funny or even remotely interesting thread. Put it this was: which Jews in your opinion should have been saved before they were gassed and incinerated? On what planet can you answer such a question?

Yeah, I shoot my mouth off like a total asshole like everyone else around here, but I avoided posting on this one (except to be a scold just now).

I found it a lovely way for people to put in black & white the people thy loved & lost. No one said we had to duplicate that stink bomb scene Meryl shat out in Sophie's choice, you only get to pick one. I think any of us who loved & lost in that horror movie come to life would of course save them all, but please let me note down a dear friend, or lover, or family member whose death breaks my hear to this day.

It was the defining moment of growing up for me. People are not replaceable. Hold them close to your heart & love them, despite their defects while they walk the earth with you. They can vanish in a heartbeat.

Stew McKinney. We need more liberal Republicans.

Screw you, OP.

[quote]No one who survived the crisis in my generation thinks this is a funny or even remotely interesting thread.

You don’t speak for all of us and no one said it was funny.

[quote]Put it this was: which Jews in your opinion should have been saved before they were gassed and incinerated? On what planet can you answer such a question?

This is actually the most offensive statement on this thread. To compare a situation where one group of humans tried to eradicate another group of humans to an indifferent virus is disingenuous at best, intentionally offensive at worst. You are treating people with HIV and AIDS like victims, when they have plainly expressed they do not wish to be (read the Denver Principles) and you manage to offend both people with HIV and Jewish people by your comparison. Groups like ACT-UP used the pink triangle symbol and the phrase Silence=Death as agitprop to condemn what they saw as a slow response from both the medical community *and* gay men’s health organizations, neither of which were real enemies and which were eventually reconciled when life-saving treatments became available. There was no reconciliation between Holocaust survivors and Nazis. So please, please stop. Don’t make that comparison. It’s very, very wrong.

If we are going celebs I chose Pedro Zamora. Diagnosed at 17, he didn't crawl into bed to die, he got himself cast on "The Real World" to show what living with AIDS was. He testified before Congress for more awareness. He died at 22. When The President OF The United States gives your eulogy, you've made a mark in life. He would have been 50 this year.

Leave it to the granny scolds of the DL to take this thread and turn it into another "How DARE you!" screed.

Jesus fucking Christ- the OP didn't say if you could pick just ONE. It's not some sort of Mengele-style experiment. There's plenty on here to get up in arms about that you don't need to go after anyone who starts a thread that's about remembering those we lost to the AIDS crisis.

[quote]Put it this was: which Jews in your opinion should have been saved before they were gassed and incinerated? On what planet can you answer such a question?

Huh?? What is this comparison? I may get some heat for this retort but, damn it, I don' care. First of all, what happened to the Jews was just straight up genocide. A whole group of people took measures to actively killed another for being "the wrong ethnicity." HIV spread around because of sex and drug use. Basically, irresponsible behavior by people seeking pleasure got them caught up.

Unless, of course, you're going with the CIA conspiracy theory that it was deliberately injected into the gay community, this is a very tasteless comparison. Especially when you take into consideration that HIV wouldn't have spread as fast or much as it did if people's behaviors were more prudent. FOH.

R163, many people got AIDS from a long term partner, trying to blame "promiscuity" is what homophobes do. Look at how conservatives did nothing or how they treated AIDS patients like lepers even after it was clear that it wasn't a communicable disease

And how did the long term partner get it? Probably by cheating. It still stands. Pleasure seeking behavior (sex and drugs) caused it. It's not "homophobic" to say the truth. Having sex with multiple partners is selfish and a risk to public health for anyone who is sexually active. Straights have an added life-ruining consequence; unwanted children who may or may not know their fathers. I, personally, find promiscuity gross regardless of the sexuality of those involved. It causes problems.

Another vote for dear Freddie Mercury

R165 You can find promiscuity as gross as you like but as Mary Jo Shively so eloquently said in 1987 “I don’t think you should have to die for it”.

Not a good idea R160 to lecture someone who was an activist, philanthropist and survivor of the crisis. Were you? Do you suppose The POTUS ignoring the pandemic was not digusting if not quite as monstetous as Germans ignoring murder in their midst. Do you suppose the dehumanization of thousands by the establishment was just about a virus? You are out of your element. The 26 year old who had sex with the wrong person and died alone rejected by his family was just as worth saving as Keith Hering the brilliant young artist. Please R160, provide criteria for those you think should been saved. I’d love to know what makes their lives more valuable.

[quote] “I don’t think you should have to die for it”.

Disease is a reality of promiscuity, though. Eliminate promiscuity and most STDs/STIs will be greatly reduced. They literally only exist because of people basically being trifling. I'm not letting up on this. It's nasty and has full on killed people. Imagine if everyone on the planet practiced monogamy. Do you have any idea how greatly reduced the incidence of STDs/STIs would be? Imagine if everyone was practicing monogamy and avoided drug abuse in the 70s and 80s. Millions of lives could've been saved. But no. People are addicted to pleasure. And this addiction has cost the lives of many. If I sound angry. I am.

^ How do you feel about people who get sick due to poor eating habits or smoking and drinking? Should we toss them from hospitals because they brought it on themselves?

You honestly don't want me to get started on that group r170. Throw obesity in there, also. That's a huge one. Especially in America. Literally.

[quote]Not a good idea [R160] to lecture someone who was an activist, philanthropist and survivor of the crisis. Were you?

YES. And as previously stated, I’m an AIDS RESEARCHER. WHO LIVED THROUGH, STUDIED, ADVOCATE, AND LECTURE ABOUT IT.

So don’t tell me “not a good idea to lecture”.

I teach the CLASS.

Gurls, gurls.. back to your basements, each of you.

@r171, You're just loaded with compassion aren't you Miss perfect pants?

For the record, r174. I don't think anyone should be denied adequate healthcare, even if they, by all accounts definitely caused their own illness. But, I can still be irritated with the fact that they contribute to being the biggest burden on the healthcare system and public health due to their poor and irresponsible lifestyle choices.

[quote] YES. And as previously stated, I’m an AIDS RESEARCHER. WHO LIVED THROUGH, STUDIED, ADVOCATE, AND LECTURE ABOUT IT.

So don’t tell me “not a good idea to lecture”.

I teach the CLASS.[quote]

Maybe this is the problem!

@r175, How can you be sure that you're not doing something that will eventually make you sick or kill you? The high and mighty always get the best karma. Here's wishing you loads of it 😏

I know I'm not doing anything that's going to make me sick or kill me because I don't live an unhealthy and irresponsible lifestyle nor am I sexually active. More importantly, I know I'm not doing anything that will make [bold]others[/bold] sick or kill them. It's been well established before HIV was known that many diseases were sexually transmitted (see: syphilis). People still carried on being nasty and promiscuous and spread shit around because they're addicted to pleasure and self-serving. But thanks for trying r177.

Terry Dolan, Stewart McKinney, Roy Cohn, Alan Bloom... of course, they'd have to be outed, live through the worst public period and likely require security to keep them from taking the easy way out...

and I suppose, I'd have to look up a chemist or two.. or certainly, go further back even before the first disputed U.S. case.. and hope someone might reverse engineer it.

What “class” do you teach. I’m an associate professor and published author as well and I’ve collaborated in research and publication with several of NYC’s most prolific and respected ID and GI physician investigators. What is your profession? And please give me criteria for sparing those who died to guide others in this thread. You are aware that there was (Nazi) criteria (changeable based on policy) for sparing Jews. I’d be happy to share it with you.

PS if you don’t think that the POTUS treated those with AIDS as badly or almost as badly (if you want to split hairs) as Jews in Nazi Germany you are living in La La land.

@r178, "I know I'm not doing anything that's going to make me sick or kill me "

Bullshit! You drive a car, don't you? Even though thousands of people die behind the wheel each year you continue to drive. That kind of risky behavior will get you killed. No one will feel bad for you or your family because you knew the risks, but decided that the convenience of driving was worth it

What a piss-poor example, r182. People have to use vehicles for survival (i.e. to get food, to shelter, health/emergency services, etc.). People don't [bold]need[/bold] sex to survive, let alone sex from multiple partners, and they especially don't need to use recreational drugs. False equivalency, much?

Leonard Frey, if nothing for this interview.

but really.....everyone.....except Roy Cohn

@r183, You're not worth arguing with knowing full well that millions of people survive quite nicely without driving a car. Ever hear of a bus? You don't have to risk driving, but you do anyway. Miss Superior isn't above it all after all 😒

[quote]Ever hear of a bus?

First, that's a vehicle. Second, you are shifting the goalpost to include risk-taking behavior that is necessary for survival and implying that it is the same as risk-taking behavior that is solely for pleasure and not necessary for survival. That is asinine.

[quote]I’m an associate professor

🤭

The poster of r66 / r138 / r154 / r168 / rr180 and r181 - we get it, you don't like the thread. Why do you keep posting in it then? You seem to be trying to browbeat everyone into submission.

Because I think it is disgusting, deciding retrospectively who was worth “saving”. Are you worth saving R188?

R189 yes we know, very well, what you think.

I get why people might think its in bad taste, but honestly, I didn't feel the op meant this as a joke, it was just a thread to commemorate people that died from the disease that we wish hadn't.

[quote] Also Patrick Kelly, who would have done amazing things with fashion if he'd lived.

Oh, I loved him. And Angel Estrada, too.

As many people as I could. I don’t care if I sounded crazy I’d be warning everyone

Is R132 dealing with neurological issues due to CTE?