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Because we are probably now expected to do that since anyone identifies as a male is now literally a man. We are homophobes if we don’t eat their manginas, some already say, and many more will surely say in the years to come.

r4 I just threw up in my mouth!!! Blech!

(That twitter feed is more proof that straight guys will fuck absolutely ANYTHING!!!)

[quote]How To Eat Pussy - For Gay Men

Miss Lindzebelle, your prolapsed ass is not a pussy.

Gasp!

This is homophobia.

r4 "24 yr old trans bi ceramic major, p0rn maker - sloppy & slutty, cum dump, fuck toy, pain slut, multi orgasmic squirter " I actually hate her and every fucking f*g that puts their dick in her, psychos the lot of them. The sheer delusions on all sides. How is this WOMAN (who looks like a bloated lesbo with tits chopped off; no more, no less) allowed to co-opt gay mens lives? Fuck society.

Good article on the OP video -

"The Ken doll who had probably never heard of pronouns until a few years ago solemnly tells us that the first stage to executing proficient heterosexual oral sex is to inquire as to pronouns which he claims are apparently important. We’re then treated to platitudinous bilge about vaginas having “a lot of nerves” and various criticisms of “gay” men for their poor performance of heterosexual oral sex. There is then a lot of licking of some poor blameless orange for some reason. The final few moments are the piece de resistance of this homophobic car crash in which gay men are criticised for their ignorance of heterosexual oral sex before being told that such sex in fact makes one more, rather than less gay. "

Please cancel this moron.

This is pretty scary stuff actually. The radical Trans loons are not only erasing women, they’re wanting to erase us gays next.

This dumb turd dances for coins. Stop the coins coming. Cancel him.

I am an homosexual woman and I'm supposed to blow Trans women dicks. So... Fuck that cult.

"24 yr old trans bi ceramic major, p0rn maker - sloppy & slutty, cum dump, fuck toy, pain slut, multi orgasmic squirter "

Dear God, I’m sure Momma is proud.

Oh, but "ftms are all just poor little LESBIANS who got swept up in all this and just have internalised homophobia". No, this chicks arent lesbians- they look like ones due to T, but most of the ones coming up now are all dick crazed girls who would have been the unattractive, frumpy, alt-girl, fag hag that makes a move on their gay best friend at prom only to be rejected.

That is who this new breed are.

The only thing that money driven content providers like this whore understands is a drop in views and subscribers, so if you care about homophobia, make that decline happen.

Davey is now the Candace Owens of gayness. A sell out who will do or say anything for money, even invalidate homosexuality.

Oof.

This CUNT is freaking out. He's already changed the title of the video. Has he ever had a backlash like this before?

Why give attention to trash like this?

I'm free if any of you boys want to practice! Let me know, OK?

Because ignoring it isn't making it go away. The backlash is already forcing changes, the sellout cunt has changed the video's title.

I loath Davey Wavey he's annoying and dumb as fuck.

How many transmen has Davey slept with? My guess would be zero.

I wouldn't be surprised if that nelly bag of need has never stuck his cock in anything.

God, you queens are so dramatic. If you date someone who turns out to be trans and you are turned off by their genitalia, then break off the relationship.

Nobody is holding you at gunpoint. For people who claim to pay no mind to the being called "phobic", y'all seem very concerned about it.

Not me pussy!

No gay man has ever dated a trans man and been shocked to discover they were trans. Transmen do not pass in real life, unless you are exceptionally naive. I'm sorry that you haven't met any and get your ideas from theory or curated online photos.

R30. Then it should be even easier for gay men to avoid dating trans men. Problem solved.

How to suck dick - For Lesbians

It is for bi scums.

[quote] The radical Trans loons are not only erasing women, they’re wanting to erase us gays next.

R13 not like you were warned years ago...not like you all chose not to listen....

Let's have a video on why straight men need to suck transgirl dick. Won't happen, will it? They don't put up with this shit and neither should we.

R34 I have been listening all along, and I don’t hate dykes and fraus. But then I’m probably a DL moderate. As it happens I’ve been quite vocal at what lesbians have been facing with this epidemic of autogynophilic straight men pretending to be women and trying to get with lesbians. I find it pretty vile actually.

R36. I think many DL hardliners, probably many who are anti-trans, are also anti-lesbian and anti-women. It's a recurrent theme.

I'm not anti-trans. Their transness doesn't affect me in any way. I just have my own identity, as a gay man, which transmen are definitionally unable to join. That's not hate. A zebra is not a lion. It's not equine-hate to accept this. A transman is just a biological woman who performs masculine social stereotypes and no amount of word games by pomo fuckheads will change that.

I'd be bi if i didn't have to eat pussy.

No, I'm fine with my platinum star status.

Thanks, though!

How to eat out a mentally ill woman.

Weird that ‘Haskell’ never learned a single bit of masculine or male body language. She still sits and moves and gestures and expresses like a feminine woman.

In OP video she even outright says that she doesn’t understand enjoy straight/gay male aggression at one point. Of course you fucking don’t, love, you were born without the natural testosterone to get it.

She’s a sellout yellow-bellied class traitor who is selling her sex down the river for her own sick entitlement fetish. And her sex game looks rancid and unpleasurable btw—you need suction and pressure, hon..

R42. Since you aren't a man I don't think you're qualified to judge about whether a man should enjoy "male aggression".

I'm a bio man and I don't appreciate male aggression either, from gays nor straights.

Do I not have the natural testosterone to "get it" and be a man?

How regressive.

That's just gross. Talk about CONVERSION THERAPY.

R43 by ‘get’, I meant ‘understand’, not ‘appreciate’ or ‘enjoy’. The usage of ‘get’ I chose here was colloquial.

It’s valid that you don’t like male aggression, but I’m sure you can grasp that, in spite of your higher functions making sound ethical judgements, when up against the wall you as a human male may chemically access the aggression of testosterone or try to match it, and that a human female simply cannot do the same. Just science.

Hard to see how that confusion over a simple English verb arose, but it’s punching down to slam someone for their comprehension, so...

R45. OK, but I don't really understand the aggression either.

When up against the wall I'm fairly certain I would choose to flee most situations rather than match someone else's aggression. I'm chronically avoidant of confrontation. I've fled a fight before.

Your grasp of science seems tenuous.

Give me an example of a situation in which you think I should react in a typically "male" way and maybe I might agree I would do so.

I'm a gay male and I intuitively "get" male aggression. It just exists, obviously to varying degrees. And I am pretty good at restraint. I am not what people would call an "aggressive person". And my guess is it's more testosterone than socialization although socialization plays a role. The socialization probably influences the degree of restraint more than anything.

If you don't "get" that it's one way in which you are just playing at being a man.

Remember how everyone was saying "oh, you're full of shit, no one is pressuring gay men into sex with women or lesbians to have sex with men":

[quote]horrifying how transphobic the response to this video has been. go talk to your therapist about it if you don't see trans men as men, but there are plenty of people who do and they want to know how to eat a man's pussy!!!!!

I don't want gay men eating my pussy, because if they are really gay they won't be enjoying what they are doing and may be revolted by it and me.

People who have sex with others who are revolted by them have deep psychological problems.

Once I find out a man is gay, he becomes a closed door sexually for me. Similar but without the animosity to finding out a man is a disgusting misogynist. Whatever they get up to can be done without me, thanks.

R47. Well good for you. I don't appreciate your insinuation that bio men who don't "get" aggression are just "playing at" being men though.

I guess I'm not a man, even though I have a penis, because I don't understand or engage in male aggression. So I suppose I must be an alien.

People say trans people are reinforcing gender stereotypes but it seems to me that the anti-trans crowd are just as obsessed with said stereotypes.

R50 you know nothing about second wave feminism then.

Caitlyn is different.

Trans lesbians don't approve of non-lesbian Trans.

TERFs have allies in Trans lesbians. They are a blended radical alliance.

Woe be to Trans that prefer men.

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They won't stop until we're all as miserable and fucked up as they are. Drop the T.

R51. I always appreciate people who say "you know nothing about X" and then elect not to explain anything or how it connects with the topic at hand.

It's the condescension that really helps, you know? It really clarifies the argument and just helps close the book on the issue.

R43/R46/R50 is tiresome, gasping and reaching to opt out of natural biological maleness that he secretly finds demeaning, the same way Haskell has done with her femaleness. Can’t outrun Gaia.

Ok, you’re a gay man who doesn’t like to fight, we fucking heard you. Emotionally and psychologically, you don’t feel you could do it. Fine. You don’t have to atone for the violence and aggression of other men, either—it’s not your fault, and there’s nothing you can do to control them, only you are your own responsibility.

That doesn’t mean the physical capability to fight another man is not there in you, or that you can in any way disown or diminish it. You need to accept it, if you hope to control it, and don’t want to be enslaved by the shadow of it. Power in the hands of someone who adamantly denies they have any can be just as dangerous, because you don’t know when it will jump out.

Hormonally and musculoskeletally-speaking, all men are like dogs—some are big, some are small, some are vicious-looking, and some are frou-frou, but all of them could potentially eat your face off if they were triggered or pushed to or abused enough. It’s how you’re built, and why the patriarchal world is in the violent state it’s in. Sorry to break it to you.

R55 Well, for starters, the feminists who have concerns about radical trans activism - which is pushing for things like in the OP video, the erasure of sex - were all about erasing the limitations of gender.

They don't think you have to be feminine to be a woman, or masculine to be a man. They think boys who play with dolls are still boys and girls who play with dinosaurs and construction sets are still girls.

They advocate for the elimination of gender. They don't think the word "woman" requires a single stereotype to define, that it is biological, an adult human female, and not "a passive or nuturing person" or "someone inferior to men" or "someone who wears lipstick and dresses" as many trans seem to think it is. Or having an interest in "female" activities, like playing with dolls or wearing barrettes.

When I say "you know nothing about second wave feminism" I mean exactly that, because core to that philosophy is that a woman is not her gender, that gender is bullshit, that wearing male clothes and being butch as hell doesn't mean they aren't really women, as the trans lobby would have you believe.

That's why when the Rowling lunch happened this Sunday with all the second-wave feminists, trans activists were confused and saying things like "the woman Rowling is hugging could be trans, why would Rowling be hugging her since she hates trans*" The majority of the comments were talking about what the women - mostly lesbians - looked like.

*She doesn't.

[QUOTE]Imagine those who were actually gay who fought for gay rights in the past who died, seeing "gay" men today fucking mutilated women (transmen) and calling it "gay". What a fucking colossal insult and betrayal!

Too right! And yet the Trans Loons are also going out of their way to try and convince the world that all lesbian and gay equalities are owed to two trans women, with their rewriting of the history of the Stonewall riots.

What are you talking about R56?

I don't find biological maleness demeaning, nor do I want to apologize for the violence and aggression of other men. What they do is their business.

But I don't understand it nor do I assess it is within me. I think I know myself better than you do, even if you think otherwise. I don't disown it, nor do I wish to diminish it. I simply don't believe I have that sort of "power" that you describe. I don't think I'm akin to the Hulk with some uncontrollable rage within, and with potentially dangerous and explosive results if not controlled. That seems a rather bizarre argument to make, especially if you are arguing ALL men have such "power".

Indeed, your parallel between men and dogs seems inappropriate and borderline sexist. Arguably, your entire argument is sexist and predicated off some rather shaky science.

And to further explain, r50, try this Twitter thread from a feminist who goes into different details:

^ should be to r55, not r50

R57. Fair enough. I can appreciate that point of view.

But that arguably doesn't just remove stereotypes, it removes gender completely. Doesn't that mean the ideas of men and women will cease to exist?

If men and women can mean anything, don't they mean nothing?

Arguably, even biological sex should not be a factor since stereotypes are often rooted in one's biology.

Actually here's an essay by her that isn't behind her locked Twitter account. If you want to see what a prominent second wave feminist thinks, this is a pretty good explainer.

R59 fine, whatever you say. No one can change your mind or get through to you.

FWIW the sticking point here I think is a lack of empathy for a female standpoint, and an inability to listen beyond your own scandalised feelings.

To expand: women *have* to look at *all* men this way, as a level of * potential threat*, because any one of them at any time could pose a clear and present danger (whether dressed in mens’ or womens’ clothes), and will likely refuse to take accountability for that threat they pose. Yes, that’s socialisation, but until males can police themselves properly and stop criminal violent and abusive acts as practise, then it’s necessary socialisation.

Sorry that you’re taking womens’ basic safety needs personally. It isn’t an attack on your specific personality, just a requirement of living in a world where male violence (usually against women) happens daily.

R62 it is saying that "male" and "female" exist as tangible, real things, not some made-up idea of gender or what a woman is or a man is. They accept sex is real, that sex has consequences, that a trans woman is still a man, and despite their attempt to get away from their sex, they are still a man.

So when you lock trans women up with women in prison, for example, trans women will behave and function like men statistically do, which is that the vast majority of violent assaults are by men, and that someone claiming to be a woman does not erase this fact, no matter how much they "feel" like a woman inside (also: what does it "feel like" to be a woman? Try defining that without resorting to gender stereotypes.)

R63. I've skimmed it. Firstly, too much space was devoted to critiquing trans "censorship" and Twitter's alleged complicity, as well as the importance of Twitter to modern society. I struggled to parse what the author actually believed but I saw references to relativism and Orwellian thought policing that didn't give me great confidence in the author's worldview. Perhaps I should have paid better attention.

Second, I fundamentally disagree that women are oppressed because of their biology rather than how they "perform gender". That's too materialist a view for me. I believe men oppress women for a disobedience to cultural norms or for socio-political reasons. I don't believe they have an intrinsic hatred of women such that they abort female foetus because of it. I believe men abort a female foetus because culturally men are more prized then women.

Fundamentally, I do think women are expected to perform gender in a certain way. They are to be treasured as prizes, pure and unspoiled, and to be kind, warm and incompetent. Most importantly, they are expected to display attraction to men and to bear an important role in reproduction. Failure to adhere to those norms has women cast as cold, manipulative, overly competent, or threatening to men. That I believe is the root of men's oppression of women.

By claiming that women are only oppressed by/for their gender (or sex) they seem to suggest that people are not oppressed for failing to "perform gender" correctly. Is the author suggesting that gay men are not oppressed for failing to conform to heternormative cultural norms? Surely nobody on this board believes that to be true.

Perhaps I missed something but I didn't see the connection between the author's view on feminism and gender and the explanation provided by R65 and other "second-wave feminists" here.

[quote] Nobody is holding you at gunpoint.

Yet.

R66 So you're saying you aren't a second wave feminist and you don't agree with the entire philosophy. That's fine. But second wave feminism among women is what's leading the pushback against radical trans activism, because they see their sex being nullified. All else follows from that.

Also, they aren't saying how they perform gender has no impact, that all is biology. They are saying that gender is a partriarchial construct, and the requirements forced upon women by gender, are part of the patreiarchy that they seek to dismantle.

R65. So in this worldview, what are male and female? If we accept they are a biological reality, what do male and female actually mean in terms of behavior? If stereotypes are meaningless to men and women, only sex matters, than what do we accept as "male-sexed" behavior and "female-sexed" behavior?

It seems there is a fundamental contradiction to this framework. Are we erasing gender stereotypes or endorsing such stereotypes by delineating behavior by biological sex? Are we saying bio men can be anything and shouldn't be beholden to stereotypes of male violence, or we are pre-supposing male behavior based on sex-based statistics?

In your example, the trans woman is treated as a man because that is their biological sex. Fine. But characterizing them as prone to violence against females seems to suggest that they actually aren't free to buck stereotypes. They will be treated as a violent man based purely on their biology.

How does that work?

R68. Great. I can get behind the dismantling of gender expectations in its entirety. They are definitely oppressive and women should not feel they have to smile or act dumb because they are afraid of men's reactions.

But if men and women aren't conforming to stereotypes, then doesn't that mean gender no longer exists? Aren't we essentially saying that no social or cultural distinctions exist between genders? Men can wear dresses and women can pump iron. We stop being men or women and we start being people.

So if gender doesn't exist, are we removing any behaviour expectations based on biological sex? I assume we are because otherwise aren't we imposing the stereotypes that we just got rid of?

It seems that the destruction of gender is also the nullification of one's own womanhood. How does womanhood exist in a society where everyone is just a person?

It seems like some attempt at being gender-blind. But, in my mind, gender blindness implies that sex-segregated spaces don't need to exist, since gender doesn't exist.

R69 that's where science and statistics come in. For example, the vast majority of violent crime is committed by men.

It's not about a single person "bucking a stereotype" because when compared to female bodies, male bodies have inherent physical advantages, and they are not in denial that they exist. Second wave feminists do not sent biology. What they oppose is the structures set up by men which result in women being locked into second place in society.

Denying biology and biological advantages is what leads to Lia Thomas, a man, playing against females.

And I'm not saying females are inferior. Men can't give birth, for example, and their immune systems aren't as strong, on average.

You should read more of Jane Clare Jones' essays, she explains it far better than I can.

It seems like you have a confusion over what sex is and what gender is, which is understandable given how twisted the meanings of certain words and phrases have become. Sex and gender are used interchangeably sometimes but have their own meanings other times. In modern times gender has taken on a whole new role and trans activists are promoting it as superior to sex, with the goal of eclipsing sex entirely.

R70 second wave feminists do not want gender to exist.

This is where you go off track:

[quote] So if gender doesn't exist, are we removing any behaviour expectations based on biological sex? I assume we are because otherwise aren't we imposing the stereotypes that we just got rid of?

[quote]It seems that the destruction of gender is also the nullification of one's own womanhood. How does womanhood exist in a society where everyone is just a person?

"behavior expectations based on biological sex" such as giving birth, breastfeeding, having a vulva and uterus, having a stronger immune system than men and less of a propensity to violence? Having estrogen be the prominent sex hormone instead of testosterone? No, those are not gender, they are biology.

It's not sexist to note that there are actual, tangible, measurable differences between male and female-sexed humans. But which of these are behaviors based on expectations vs which of these are behaviors based on biological underpinnings? The behaviors based on expectations are often gender-enforced stereotypes.

A second wave feminist would never say "everyone is a person" because that would be ignoring the actual tangible differences between the sexes.

To add to the above - there is some biological basis for some gendered stereotypes. Women raising children. Women staying home and caring for children while men go out to hunt. These are gendered stereotypes. These are the types of things that can and should be challenged. Women don't have to stay home and raise children. Women can be the providers for their families, rather than men.

But the stereotypes are often forced on women by men, i.e. the patriarchy; it's simply not a choice for many women to not fill their roles in society, roles which are forced upon them by men. That is what feminists seek to disconnect.

R70 is transparently and insidiously obfuscating. It’s obvious to a child what is the difference between maleness & masculinity, femaleness & femininity.

OK R72/R73. I actually agree with most of that. I agree that there are tangible differences between biological males and females. And sometimes those biological differences will produce stereotypes. But I would argue that sometimes stereotypes are culturally created as well, even if they have biological components.

The issue is, what biologically rooted gendered stereotypes do we get rid of? You say we should get rid of women's reproductive stereotypes as caregivers and homemakers. These stereotypes are rooted in biology, as you point out. I am definitely in favor of getting rid of such stereotypes.

But at the same time you note that men are perpetrators of violent crimes and argued that this is biologically rooted. Even if we assume that is true, which I don't believe it is, are we supposed to accept this gendered stereotype of violent men but not the biologically rooted stereotype of caregiving women?

Biological differences definitely exist between men and women, but they should not affect behaviour right? And when they do, we should work to overcome gendered stereotypes constructed around these differences because they are oppressive, especially to women. That basically indicates that in most domains, except for things such as health requirements, men and women should be treated the same.

I think I'm struggling to understand where the line is drawn regarding the deterministic view of this philosophy on gendered behaviour. Arguing that some behaviour is biologically rooted and so must be accepted as a fundamental difference between genders seems fine on the surface, but is that not the very argument used to oppress women? I.e., women are physically weaker, have naturally caregiving instincts, and serve a reproductive role so they are better suited for roles that make use of such skills (such as homemaking, nursing etc.)?

And where is the line drawn? What biological differences are seen as "natural" vs. those that are oppressive and must be overcome?

[quote] [R13] not like you were warned years ago...not like you all chose not to listen....—the dykes & Fraus you hate so much

Yep. Isn't that just like a man to only pay attention when it involves sex? Weirdos have been getting into our spaces for the longest because of this twisted ideology, some women have full on been raped or assaulted because of self-ID laws. Gay men? Radio silent. Many even stated we were over-reacting about the bathroom issue, downplayed it, gaslit us (remember Mr. Forrest...a gay man, calling that woman a "dick" at the Wi Spa). Now one of your own dares to suggest gay men eat pussy and it's an uprising. Yeah, it's sickening. By all means, go ham with the disgust.

Great to finally have you all on board to hopefully stop this bullshit, I guess. Can you all start speaking up more publicly, now? Please. I don't think you realize how powerful the voices of gay males speaking out against this can actually be.

After giving countless dollars and many more hours of my time to the gay rights movement, I never thought we would reach a day where I felt like an outsider within the movement. Or worse — like their goals are opposed to my own. This is truly crazy stuff and R76 is right. This will be on all of us if we don’t speak out.

Good to see so many people calling this out as homophobia. Never back down from that reality and don't ever be shy to say it out loud.

R11, The only mistake in that article is referring to Davey Wavey as a "Ken Doll," he's the complete opposite.

I'm surprised that he's still this popular on youtube? I thought he dried up years ago. I always found him disgusting so this doesn't shock me at all.

Is there a reason why it's effeminate types like Davey Wavey that are encouraging this kind of shit? I don't see much interesting from regular gay men, it's always some queeny type pushing this.

Couldn't watch the video the thumbnail is revolting enough. The deluded girl on the right with the moustache, I can't imagine a straight man wanting to touch that let alone a gay man.

I'm glad to see there's pushback in the comment section.

[quote]"24 yr old trans bi ceramic major, p0rn maker - sloppy & slutty, cum dump, fuck toy, pain slut, multi orgasmic squirter "

This is an example of what I was trying to explain over on another thread about modern day "sex positivity". This doesn't say to me anything about the joy and absolute fucking fun of sex, it doesn't promote (to me) ideas of positive sexuality, and getting past our hangups or anything like that.

It merely comes across like it's saying: "Look at me! I'm going to deliberately be as in your face as possible and if you don't like it you are repressed!" It's defiant, not joyful.

I'd love to see a much more positive sexual revolution taking place.

I know many disagree with me here, but I will always support trans people. But I sure as hell ain't gonna be shamed into cunnilingus, and if anyone every says anything like that to me, they're going to get an earful. Took me a long time to get comfortable with the fact I'm so fucking into men due to growing up in a more homophobic time. I'm pretty protective of myself and my fellow gay men these days, knowing what we've been and still go through.

But that's the question: DO people say things like this in real life outside some online nutty 'personalities'? I've never had anyone say stuff like this to me to be really honest.

Is anyone really surprised thoughA? DaveyWavey's content is always so shallow and clickbaity. Anything for attention with him. This was just another one of those antics. His "inspirational" schtick is so fake, he's always on about porn stars and influencers who are white with six pack abs. The trans dude was just for diversity points, obvious not a person Davey would touch. I feel a lot of his fans are straight women as a lot them love loud, histrionic, vapid queens who are "woke."

Perhaps it's combative comments like R34, the reason why no one has given much thought to this over the years. Also siding with right wing homophobes didn't help your position either.

I've never really followed this guy, though I remember when he first started he was posting videos on YouTube of his neighbour masturbating, which is a bit weird.

R75

[quote]there is some biological basis for some gendered stereotypes.

Does not mean -all- gendered stereotypes have a biological basis.

Some stereotypes being rooted in biology does not mean they are immutable. The fact that they fall under the "gender" definition shows they are stereotypes and thus can be overcome if a woman or a man chooses to do so. But this doesn't mean that every man is considered on a case by case basis, for example, as to whether or not they can play in a female sport. There's just too many advantages men have physically in some sports that can be actually dangerous for women. These rules are in place based on statistics, not necessarily individual assessments, which are more often than not going to be too time consuming or expensive to decide on a case by case basis.

Make aggression is not a gendered stereotype. It is a probable fact, based on biology. Women don't want to be put in positions where they have to defend themselves against male aggression, which is why they fought for safer spaces like female-only bathrooms and gyms, sports, etc.

"Some behavior is biologically rooted" is not necessarily = "gender". Shouldn't women have the right to have spaces separate from men?

As far as where the line is drawn? It's up to the woman to decide what stereotype she wants to follow, or not. The fact is that the forced-stereotyping comes predominately from men, and from women who acquiesce to men's wishes (usually because this is learned behavior, to be subservient to men, so that they are less likely to be targeted by male violence).

You seem to be looking for a blanket approach, a clear distinction, but there isn't always going to be one. Yet biological differences remain, and must be accounted for.

That "looking for a black and white solution", by the way, is one way radical trans activists seek to explain away inconvenient scientific facts such as the differences between the two sexes, by focusing on the gray areas and throwing up their hands in surrender and saying "seee??? Because there are rare cases of intersex people, there's no way to tell who is what sex, therefore biological sex is a spectrum". But that isn't how science works. It's sophistry.

R80, YASSSSS KWEEEEENS like Davey Wavey are always the first among the gays to shriek 'TRANS MEN ARE MEN' but they'll never, ever date one. They want a real working cock as much as any other 'mo.

I honestly don't think Davey Wavey has genitalia. I think that's why Dennis calls him a Ken Doll. He's anodyne and androgyne.

I see the people shrieking at gay men to learn to lick puss and if not, transphobia, as similar to the people in this sketch.

[quote]A guide for gay men on how to “eat p***y” is revolting, and obviously conversion therapy. I don’t want to learn how to be heterosexual thanks. Had this all suggested before by my Catholic doctor at the behest of my father. I also don’t have sex with ppl I don’t find sexy.

[quote]Gay men. Watch this. Actually watch it. It’s only what - 6 minutes? It’s an unpleasant 6 minutes but it might make you *wake up* and realise how wrong this is. It’s 2022 and a mainstream “gay” channel is giving advice on how gay men should go against every instinct we have…

[quote]In order to please people who desire to be seen as something they *patently* are not.

[quote]This is a cult and a delusional community.

[quote]if you’re gay and you have sex with a trans man you’re still just as gay as you were before, probably even more gay honestly.

R90 they do on desktop

Even the still of that creature with the mustache eating the orange is revolting

I'm on desktop, R92 thanks for letting me know they still work, I'll try another browser.

[quote]Even the still of that creature

He's still a human, dude. I agree with a number of the concerns here, but I hope we can discuss this without losing all our humanity towards each other.

R95 I'm using Firefox, if it matters.

R96 Humanity is a transphobic concept.

I was using Firefox and just tried Chrome and neither shows a preview for the link I posted at R95 but I can see R48's post. Oh, well. Thanks, R97.

Ok, R98, I'll admit, that did make me giggle.

Sorry, I like sausage, not taco.

R86. Firstly, I think many stereotypes that women would find offensive are rooted in a biological reality. And I don't believe differences between the sexes are immutable socio-culturally. But doesn't the second-wave framework consider biological differences to BE immutable? Isn't that that point?

So women are biologically oriented towards reproduction; they bear the largest burden of reproductive costs, including pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding, and from an evolutionary point of view have a better reason to be caregivers then men. That's the exact reasoning that supposes men are predisposed to multiple partners and a place lower importance on childcare, whereas women are resource focused and place great importance on childcare. These are stereotypes but they are grounded in a biological reality.

If we reject these stereotypes, which I agree we should, then we must also negate the importance of biological reality in stereotype formation and behavioral assessment. If we assume men are "biologically engineered" towards aggression (ignoring that there is a massive socio-cultural component to such behavior including toxic masculinity, homophobia and learned sexism), then shouldn't we also reject the stereotype of the violent man? Men may be predisposed to adultery and violence because of their biology, but women are predisposed to care-giving and reproduction because of their biology. These are structured stereotypes that we must get rid of.

It's not a "blanket approach" to attempt to create a consistent framework of thinking about gender stereotypes and the value of their biological grounding. What's good for the goose must also be good for the gander. If we argue that men are biologically violent or promiscuous and so should be stereotyped that way we must also accept women are biologically caregivers and should be stereotyped that way.

Similarly, if the biological reality of male stereotypes is reason to accept such stereotypes then should men be given a free pass for adultery since it is rooted in a biological and evolutionary reality? There seems to be an inconsistency here that creates the very confusion activists are trying to claim trans people are guilty of.

I wasn't talking about sport, but that's an example of a sex-differentiated sport that doesn't seem to coalesce with your point of view about how we can't throw a blanket approach on things. As you yourself argue, it is not feasible to do a case-by-case assessment of the role of sexes in sport. So we throw a blanket case on the situation and separate by gender. Why is that not considered in other aspects of gender relations?

For example, some people argue that the menstruation that women experience, and the undue costs of reproduction on women's time and bodies, is reason to pay women less and to exclude from the workplace. That is a gendered stereotype about women's role as homemakers but it is has a practical effect. It is clearly wrong to anyone interested in the equality of the sexes, but segregation of sex roles is rooted in a biological reality. To place over-importance on the role of sexually determined biology in dictating what is or isn't allowed seems extremely problematic.

I perceive a contradiction in what you are saying. You say differences in the sexes must be accounted for but those differences are fundamentally the roots of the divergent roles of the sexes. Women as homemakers isn't solely culturally constructed by men, it is rooted in a biological reality. Men as violent adulterers isn't JUST taught to men but is (arguably) rooted in a biological reality. Both are morally wrong and contribute to inequality.

So what differences should be accounted for and what differences should we discard?

Sausage is SO good! Especially when you have one in each hand 😋

Cue the tranny defenders saying "nobody's trying to pressure gay guys into having sex with trannies."

R102. Sorry, correction. We separate sport by SEX, not gender. Though I know separation by gender is now becoming a thing.

Just to add on to what I said at R102: that is fundamentally my problem with people who focus on "biological reality". I absolutely accept that humans are sexually dimorphic and that men and women are biologically different.

But that biology is the root of inequality. Throughout the animal kingdom sexually dimorphic species are shown to play divergent roles. In many animals males are gatherers whilst women are 'nesters'. Arguably in humans, our biology is the root of the different roles that women and men have played in society for thousands of years, all the way back to hunter-gatherer tribes.

But the modern day rightly argues that evolutionary and biological reality has created an unacceptable inequality in humans, and one that we don't have to perpetuate. Biology is actually problematic because it creates undue burdens on women and 'excuses' their abuse by men. It is arguably morally wrong to accept these premises as excuses for inequality. So to accept that biology exists but to move past the stereotypes of one's biology seems a noble goal.

And the modern construction of gender seems one approach because it seeks to disconnect gender from sex, and thus behavior from biological predispositions. Which has inevitably led to the trans movement as a product of this disconnect.

Another approach of course would be to dissolve gender constructs entirely by arguing that men and women can be anything and behave however they want. We accept that men and women have different biological needs but ultimately there should be no differences in societal role or stereotyped behavior. Both are admirable because both seek to create an equality divorced from our evolutionary history.

What's problematic is attempting some half-measure where we accept "biological reality" and its societal consequences when it comes to men but not women, or vice-versa. And even WITHIN a specific sex (say men), how do we determine which gendered stereotypes to accept and which to reject?

And even that gendered stereotypes are accepted by these second-wave feminists seems to align with the very stereotypes that trans activists are accused of perpetuating. I'm really struggling to see how the gendered stereotypes that second-wave feminists are accepted as "biological reality" are different from those accepted by trans activists as the product of "cultural socialization".

r80 There will always be teen girls who are overly investing in gay mens lives (hell, this 'Haskell' girl even admits to being one - so look forward to half the girls watching this current video coming out as 'gay faggot cumdumps' too) - Davey will always have 'some' degree of a fanbase, but look at his views to subscriber count and you will see he is a YouTube has been.

This is conversion therapy repackaged as wokeness and pushed on us by people who claim to be our allies and fellow queers. FUCK THAT NOISE

[quote][R80] There will always be teen girls who are overly investing in gay mens lives

I was really into anime as a teen and started to get interested in the fandoms. I noticed a lot of yaoi fanfiction of male characters that were straight and didn't understand the fascination with these, mostly teen female, piss-poor writers turning the straight male characters gay. It was, looking back on it, full blown fetishization of gay males. So, because I'm an asshole, in 2005, I decided to write a parody fanfiction that mocked fangirls who did this shit using their favorite, mostly male, anime characters as the mouthpieces to do so. Got flamed in my inbox to hell for it. They took it extremely personal to a point that was almost clinical. I never finished the story...

I want to see Davey Wavey release a full and sincere apology, or go down in flames. His choice.

The tranny and trans-apologist cunts in the comments section denying it's homophobic make me sick.

They seem severely outnumbered. Life is not Twitter.

Aren’t we lucky that the trans movement wasn’t popular when we were growing up, parents would probably be into it and would give us hormone /testosterone blockers and chop our body parts to become “normal” just like Jazz.

Due to my age I escaped the AIDS pandemic and the ravages of trans ideology. I consider my generation very fortunate.

[quote] How to suck dick - For Lesbians

r32 For many years, such contents have been normal part of the places like "The world's most popular independent LGBTQ women's website"

When I Am Jazz first appeared two middle aged white women where I work were all excited and approving of it. In fact it's where I first heard of it.

I had two immediate reactions: one, this is not appropriate for a child to go through and making into a reality program is going to cause great harm and 2 I need to keep my mouth shut about this among these women. So I just said "Ummm, that's interesting. " I actually remember all this vividly and where I was standing in the office.

R109 o7

[QUOTE]if you’re gay and you have sex with a trans man you’re still just as gay as you were before, probably even more gay honestly

The cognitive dissonance of these people takes my breath away. If you're having sex with a trans man, honestly - you're having sex with a woman.

How does that make one 'more gay'?

And who knew being gay was a competition?

Who's keeping the score?

Who's currently winning at being the most gay?

It makes you "more queer" in their eyes since queer means deconstructing all categories. So "gay" now for them just means "queer". They are using speech to deconstruct, social norms supposedly but I think they are motivated by aggression. Very unhealthy. The type of people who, if there was a real revolution, wouldn't hesitate to round their neighbors up for the camps or firing squads. Mostly out of sadism although they would claimed. It was out of belief. Unstable tones always brings such resentful people forward.

Read Doestoyesky The Possessed. (Also translate The Demons or The Devils.)

Listen carefully r118, Marsha threw a fucking brick so now you are going to do, talk and think like you are supposed to. The trans did everything for you and now you are going to obey. And if they want to redefine what lesbian, gay or bisexual means, you are going to let them.

THERE IS NO DEBATE HERE.

Transgenderism is a dream for parents who has gay/lesbian youth they can finally change them…

Fucking right there's no debate. Gulags for everyone.

[quote] There will always be teen girls who are overly investing in gay mens lives

Not exonerating this behaviour, but to explain it for context, the reason for this is twofold:

1) passing on systemic abuse (the hyperfetishisation and pornographication of teen girls in commodified media), as a way to cope with becoming an object and a secondary class in the eyes of society,

and;

2) a safe vicarious imaginary outlet for hormonally-raging sexual feelings and desires, as the ‘real’ outside world has been rendered too hostile a landscape for young girls & women to do this.

It feels like the tide is turning now.

As an act of penitence for this atrocity, Wavey Davey needs to go down on his guest. Put your..... mouth where your mouth is, honey. (I won't be watching.)

R31 the problem is not solved because we're (gay men) called transphobic for not wanting to be with trans men. How dare we have preferences! See R48 and other posts about the shaming and the pressure.

I've noticed on these threads that the pro-trans crowd has nothing but superficial Millennials/Gen X speak, "you're literally doing what the right-wing crowd wants," "you're literally" this or that, and accusations of trolling on behalf of Russia. Those who oppose the trans agenda have written some thoughtful and insightful posts throughout this thread.

r80 Davey is invested in the gay porn scene, so of course trans nonsense will be there. It's in vogue to push trans sex and women's vagina on gay men these days for the industry.

“ This is pretty scary stuff actually. The radical Trans loons are not only erasing women, they’re wanting to erase us gays next.”

Exactly!!

r124 Lots of people are peak trans'ing after the whole Lia Thomas debacle. With the signal boosting by conservatives during election season, many people are force to confront the trans issue. But also the community of LBG is noticing the damage being caused and starting to back away.

Even MSM seems to start the direction change. Just saw a story of trans woman prisoner sexually assaulting female prisoners and another story of female inmates getting pregnant from a trans inmate.

I’m glad trump is not in office anymore so the LGB community doesn't have to pretend to like every single thing about the trans movement to one up Trump and his MAGATs, I think every one became extra fake “woke” because of the 2016 election.

Glad more gays are waking up to how destructive the TQ+ is, but we do need to reflect more on how we've enabled it to reach this point. I just worry for young, vulnerable, confused gay men who might still be closeted or struggling with their sexuality being influenced by this shit and being shamed and coerced into having sex with women. Shit's fucked.

Wow. The youtube comments give me some hope.

[quote] I just worry for young, vulnerable, confused gay men who might still be closeted or struggling with their sexuality being influenced by this shit and being shamed and coerced into having sex with women. Shit's fucked.

And mourn the lesbians we’ve already lost. You guys have no idea the damage that’s already been done to womens’ & lesbian rights.

[...]

I've never understood why Trans were associated with the LG community since their issue is gender based and not related to sexual preference like ours.

R126, When you've aligned yourself with homophobic pedos and right wing religious creeps like Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Caroline Farrow (whick JK Rowling has endorsed as well as several other homophobes) and the other countless right wing groomers people will be less inclined to take anything you have to say seriously.

R131, This hairy trans woman and other trans like her can complain all day on twitter about gay men, they can stomp their little foots but ultimately they have no power. This is small grapes compared to the actual damage that right wing homophobes are doing to gay people.

R138, the new wave of right wing attacks are due to the trans. Every poll before the transtapo started spewing their lunacy far and wide showed support for gays having grown in Repug circles to well over 50%. We had reached a tipping point of acceptance and the remaining fucking homophobes and evangelicals needed a new argument. The transtapo glommed onto the gay community's progress and gave them the best gift they could have given the homophobes and are now taking us down with them. Assholes, the whole lot of them.

Republicans don't see a distinction between gay or trans, they never have nor do they care to, so the idea that it's all trans fault that gay rights are being affected now is just false. They were attacking gay rights long before trans went mainstream.

"Believe in nonsense or you're a bad person."

That used to just be a Republican thing. Now it's a Democrat thing, too.

True, r141. But...Democrats believed in slavery at one point so...believing in nonsense isn't exactly a foreign concept to the party.

[quote]Republicans don't see a distinction between gay or trans, they never have nor do they care to, so the idea that it's all trans fault that gay rights are being affected now is just false. They were attacking gay rights long before trans went mainstream.

Absolutely. Anyone thinking that "if only we could get rid of the T things will be alright for us" are in for a very rude shock if they ever get what they want.

I think the key point is that gay men and lesbians are now getting hate from both Repukes and Dems. It's beyond frustrating.

Dare I say.....separatism now?

Extremes of trans ideology are going to get us all killed. Mass graves here we come.

Internet outrage isn't enough. Davey need to pull this video down or lose business. If you subscribe to his channel please take the effort to unsubscribe today and do not support his business.

R109 please unclench. Fanfiction smut (especially Y/N) in its modern iteration has been a rite of passage for young girls & women since at least the 1980s.

As you correctly identify, it isn’t about you or for you. Fiction is fiction is fiction, you don’t need to get so wound about it. No-one takes fanfic (especially slash/yaoi & RPF) remotely seriously, anyway, so the bugbear you’re seeing isn’t ever going to pose any legit threat.

Young women trying to make sense of their sexualities and identities in a flux-state world that hates and damns their bodies don’t need further sniffing hissing judgement from old men who’d rather see them illiterate, homemaking, and garbed in crinolines chained to the kitchen sink.

I think women should also encourage young women to write stories about sexually confident young women instead of using gay men as proxies. I get women are objectified and made to be ashamed of their bodies and such. But sexually objectifying men does not really even the score or help dismantle the systemic sexism in society. It simply pushes the idea only men are sexual beings. And the fetishization of gay men is a bit creepy considering it's no walk in the park to be a gay man. How is it different than incels fetishizing lesbians? I agree people should be able to write whatever they please though but I don't think gay men who are minority themselves should be silenced on their opinions about yaoi and slash fandoms and all the homophobic stereotyping they do.

[quote][R109] please unclench. Fanfiction smut (especially Y/N) in its modern iteration has been a rite of passage for young girls & women since at least the 1980s.

I don't care if it's been around since the 1880s, the shit was weird, sir. Not to mention horribly written. 50 Shades of Grey started out as Twilight fanfiction written by a 40+ year old woman. It is all lame and deserves to be mocked accordingly.

[quote]Young women trying to make sense of their sexualities and identities in a flux-state world that hates and damns their bodies don’t need further sniffing hissing judgement from old men

Oh, and I'm a female. Get a grip.

R149, the incels want to fuck and/or kill the lesbians they obsess over. The teenage girls writing gay smutfic are just writing about the dangerously tantalizing "other" in their worlds. They're not online advocating against gay men and trying to dehumanize them so they can treat them like shit to make themselves feel better about being basement-dwelling incels. Harmless fantasy that goes away when they start reading romance novels with cowboys and dukes (always with the dukes!) on the covers.

R152 thank you, sincerely. At last, a nuanced take. It’s honestly so refreshing when someone gets that women & men (or girls & boys) doing what is ostensibly ‘the same thing’ generally have a totally different approach and motive. Women & girls don’t often have the same entitled desire as boys & men to punish or threaten others as a way to get off, even in fiction.

R152 I also noticed a lot of trans men and non-binary are big fans of yaoi, slash, Kpop, etc. So some of them do take that idealized image of homosexuality into their real lives, thinking being a gay or "queer" man would be easier than a heterosexual woman or lesbian. But that's more manifestation of a negative self-image. I agree incels are far more of a violent threat to our society than yaoi fangirls.

R149 jfc if you unironically think it’s easier to be a gay male than a female, to the point you feel comfortable declaiming that to strangers with a straight face, then I don’t what to tell you. Do you cosplay as a male and get special different treatment to the rest of us, or something?

Refresh your memory with stats for abuse, stalking, murder & rape broken down by sex; skim the most popular degrading explicit p0rn categories; read up on work/domestic balance burdens and emotional labour; then try posting up and saying all that again.

And if you’re really a woman with these views? Congrats, you’re a Pick-me and a handmaiden. Please know you are fundamentally despised and seen as lesser by the men you are so desperate to appease and to resemble.

R155 Really. Oppression olympics now? Gay men are not valued by society in any way, shape or form. We are seen by many especially the same old men who are misogynistic as "defective men." White rich straight men have their own circle that they exclude us from. Effeminate gay men and gay men of color are especially disenfranchised. And American society oppresses everyone who isn't rich because it's a capitalist culture. Many college-educated women have positions of power and affluence now which puts them above some poor white dude in Ohio working at a Wal-Mart or a poor black dude from the hood. Yes, men are more likely to commit violent acts of crime and rape but men are also more likely to be harmed, killed and incarcerated. GOP has been trying to destroy both women's rights and gay rights in conjunction with their Bible-believing base. What's the point of alienating gay men by lying and saying our lives are easier than straight women. Straight women are not kicked out of their homes and fired from a job for being straight women. Misogyny exist as does homophobia and you don't need to downplay homophobia, racism and classism to make that point. Oppression exists in various forms.

A compromise: women/girls can write all the slash/yowee fiction they want, but they shouldn't be classified as "gay fiction," fucking up searches on Amazon.

Yaoi and slash should be separate from "gay fiction" since it's porn for straight women. Just like "lesbian porn" should be renamed to something like "girl-on-girl" since it's really for straight men.

I feel sad for confuse closet youths who look for pron for guidance and curiosity and all they see are “gay” men with ftm sexual partners because that is what is all over social media nowadays and what is advertise.

R154, I think the straight women who larp as gay men can be nasty and volatile as their straight "translesbians" counterparts. I recall the case of the trans man that deliberately gave gay men HIV/AIDS, basically raped them in sex clubs, she claimed it made her more gay. I forget her name, this was in the 80s. I don't think she was ever charged or arrested.

R160 please explain how a trans man could give gay men AIDS in any reliable manner, even if raping them.

That sounds like a fake story.

FTMs and non-binary who are obsessed with slash and yaoi likely want to be "ukes" (the term in yaoi for the submissive girly twink partner). If you read yaoi manga, you'll notice the sex is always missionary style and resembles straight sex. The "seme" (term for the dominant partner who is usually tall, older, aggressive and masculine) is always the penetrator and initiates the sex. The seme while aggressive, also protects, loves and worships the uke. I think young girls self-insert themselves as the uke and want a masculine princely man to swoop in and rescue them. While most girls grow out of this stage and it is relatively harmless fun. There is a subset of very disturbed ones who cannot separate fiction from reality. It does not help that social media like Tumblr, Instagram, Twitter and TikTok have echo chambers for these types of individuals who roleplay 24/7.

As a gay man who came of age in the 2000s, I read my fair share of yaoi and slash fiction online when I was trying to figure myself out. I was into anime and manga at the time, plus it was anonymous and safe and I was still closeted in a small town. And while I watched gay porn, I wanted something more story-oriented. I never found yaoi arousing as the art style in 95% of it was butt-ugly to me. The sex was never hot either. I discovered actual gay literature and real gay culture when I moved to a college town. The only yaoi that I remember actually enjoying were the ones with egalitarian relationships and where the guys were of a similar build and there was no stupid rape, blackmail or other abusive trope or had exceptional art (as most yaoi is poorly drawn).

R142 actually the party as it existed at the time did. The racists all moved to the Republican party after Civil Rights.

I don't know, r162. All I know is, the anime fangirl community lost me when they started writing yaoi fanfiction for Black Butler and paired a 12 year old boy (Ciel Phantomhive) with a grown-ass man-demon (Sebastian). Actually, it was the bulk of the entire Black Butler fandom that turned me off of anime completely for just straight up glorifying child grooming and pedophilia.

God help me, I [bold]wish[/bold] I was making this bullshit up.

R161, It's a real story, she had contracted the virus from her bisexual boyfriend, through heterosexual sex I believe. She wasn't satisfied with being in a bisexual relationship she wanted to be a gay man. She went into gay sex clubs, where it was dark, she didn't expose her vagina, she said something like she only lowered her pants enough so they could see her ass. There was a video on youtube where she went into detail about this.

R164 Yes I remember that. I watched some of the anime and read a bit of the manga. I never got a sexual vibe at all. Sebastian was a demon with no morals who is in a contract to assist Ciel get revenge on the people who killed his family. The fangirls were creepy for sexualizing that relationship. Supernatural fangirls also sexualized two brothers. I know one anime fan who got annoyed by InuYasha and Kagome but at least Inuyasha is both mentally and physically a teenager who just happened to be asleep for hundreds of years and Kagome is about the same age. Ciel is a child and Sebastian is an adult which is nothing at all the same

R161, Lou Sullivan was her name. She's dead. Thank God.

r166 What's even worse and more creepy about them sexualizing Ciel and Sebastian's relationship is the fact that when Sebastian first appeared to Ciel, Sebastian asked him what human form he wanted him to take; Ciel, like any traumatized child likely would, chose his father's countenance (who, along with this mother) had been murdered and gave him the name 'Sebastian' which was the name of the family dog who died in the fire. Sebastian's human form is supposed to be a placeholder and personification for everything that Ciel lost (his parents, his home, his dog, his childhood). Imagine sexualizing that. They're mental. I couldn't take it, anymore.

I've been trying to get into Yasahime (InuYasha and Kagome's daughter), but have been busy. Also, it's depressing now that Kirby Morrow (English voice actor for Miroku) died.

Has Davey released a statement?

Davey IS a statement: a statement in how homosexuals can sell out their own kind of cash. His online presence is a business. I'd like to see his business stop harming gay men by promoting gender-cult propaganda, and defending the boundaries and identities of same sex attracted people. If he's not willing to do that I'd like to see his business fail. He can then live off his residual porn money and his pectoral fat.

[quote] The only yaoi that I remember actually enjoying were the ones with egalitarian relationships and where the guys were of a similar build and there was no stupid rape, blackmail or other abusive trope or had exceptional art.

This style of manga you describe is termed ‘bara’ (:’薔薇’, Eng: ‘rose’), not ‘yaoi’ or ‘BL/boizurabu’. A term you you would already know if you weren’t making shit up.

Even the title of this thread inspires a shudder. It’s been fascinating though. It’s about time this hard pushing of the radical trans ideology was brought into the open and critically discussed (at the moment anyone who dares criticise is labelled a “bigot” and “terf “— great way to “win” a debate, huh).

Davey Wavey deserves to be dragged over hot coals for this homophobia/conversion therapy masquerading as sexual egalitarianism. I’m relieved and gladdened that the comments on YouTube are calling him out on this. There is hope.

R171 I know the terms. Bara wasn't as accessible in the 2000s and early 2010s. I was reading off of scan sites which most of the scans were by fans of anime. And I wouldn't say bara fits what I'm describing. Most bara features hairy bodybuilder type dudes and is very sexually explicit. Yeah, it's written by and for gay men but I find it hard to find body types of varying sizes as not every gay is into big hairy muscular bodies. I do enjoy bara though especially doujinshi of Dragon Ball, Jojo and Bleach characters.

There is yaoi and BL that two regular skinny average or slightly muscular jock dudes who just fall in love without all the shoujo style drama, size disparity or gendered roles. I especially enjoyed the ones where the more pretty one is the top not the bottom.

Really the men who should actually be learning how to eat pussy well are all the straight & bi men who can’t for the life of them figure out the correct way to go down.

R157, You can tell the difference when a gay man write gay slash fan fiction and this one of them:

Davey Wavey was already loathsome and this just adds to it.

He's an attention seeker first and foremost.

I'm waiting for the New York Times editorial in favor of this.

Nifty is the site for written gay and lesbian porn. They do have a lot of fan fiction as well and celebrity stuff.

Archive of Our Own has a lot of the fangirl smut and some it is filthy and transgressive. It makes me feel really embarrassed for the actors from Supernatural and the One Direction members.

Is the discussion of slash fiction meant to drive commentors away who want to talk about the subject at hand or bury posts?

Seems like it. Probably best to put those posters on ignore.

I'll be writing "fan fiction" where Davey's channel collapses from people unsubscribing in disgust, and he's forced to make as living performing in trans porn, doing the sex acts he presently pretends to endorse but wouldn't ever dream of doing himself because it's against his homosexual nature.

R157 yes!!!!

The girl with the moustache was whining the other day on twitter. She's offended that gay men aren't interested in her body. If it was Davey Wavey's goal to coerce gay men into sleeping with FTMs he could have at least found one that looks good. This one looks like she has some sort of ailment.

He changed the title and the thumbnail. 766 likes against 3.5k dislikes. The gays have spoken.

[quote]The girl with the moustache was whining the other day on twitter. She's offended that gay men aren't interested in her body.

Of course. What a surprise.

The only "gay male", non-asexual FTMs who get a lot of dick are the ones in porn, where the guys fucking them are [bold]paid to do so[/bold] (and then tweet about how hot it was).

WTF? I just finished reading the comments on that vid and the trans/queer cult believe gays are fetishist?

Yes, r185.

R186, It’s sad how people can get easily brainwashed on twitter from both the extreme right and left. No wonder the gov wanted twitter to get rid of conspiracy theories and russian bots because it’s dangerous how it can influence others but I wish they can do the same with them.

r184 it might be regional but where I live, there are lots of tranny chasers, bi guys, bi male/female couples and self identified straight men who prefer and want FTM pussy on "Grindr and Doublelist.

R188 so this confirmed gays are being erased.

"Society will one day accept MAPs as part of the queer community. We just have to keep pushing it. Let the world know the truth about who we are. It may take a bit but eventually we will get there and MAPs of the future will no longer have to hide who they are."

MAP = Minor Attracted People

aka Pedophiles

Admittedly, his profile has only existed since February, 2022, and maybe he's a Russian/Chinese/Iranian bot attempting to stir shit, but he's got pics of little girls while extolling his pedo urges and has yet to be kicked off Twitter. Meanwhile, those of us who merely state the biological fact that men cannot magically transform themselves into women get banned left and right.

[quote] If it was Davey Wavey's goal to coerce gay men into sleeping with FTMs he could have at least found one that looks good. This one looks like she has some sort of ailment.

That's what I don't get. This Quasimodo looking mf is not going to soften the blow of this already highly controversial topic. I don't know why he didn't just, at the very least, bring Luke Hudson back on to discuss this. He had him on the channel before. It's almost like he's trolling Haskell. Maybe his sponsors have been forcing him to do this and this is his way of semi-rebelling? He knows damn well he could've gotten a better looking transman. Seriously.

Why do the Trans say "y'all" all the time? Are they all hillbillies?

Well, I'm not the world's most masculine man, but I know what I am, and in bed I'm a man.

R191 Would have been just as gross.

A woman is a woman is a woman.

[QUOTE]Admittedly, his profile has only existed since February, 2022, and maybe he's a Russian/Chinese/Iranian bot attempting to stir shit

Whatever the truth of that is, that post chills me.

R190 & R195:

The word “gender” was coined by pedophile apologist John Money (who could have been a pedosexual or pedophile himself) in 1967, Money is the one responsible for what happened to David Reimer.

The word “cis” was coined by pedosexual Volkmar Sigusch in 1991.

From Money's 1973 paper, [italic]Gender Role, Gender Identity, Core Gender Identity- Usage and Definition of Terms[/italic]

[quote]In the nonerotic sense, as in the term sex-role typing, it means anything that is sexually dichotomized, like jobs, clothing, etiquette and recreation, irrespective of eroticism and the sex organs per se.

[quote]So as not to confuse the sex of the genitalia and their activities with nonerotic and nongenital sex roles and activities that are prescribed culturally and historically, I settled on the term, gender role, as the all inclusive one, as defined above. In this definition, it was my ivory-tower ideal that “all those things that a person says and does to disclose himself or herself as having the status o f boy or man, girl or woman, respectively,” would unite what the observer perceives and records with what the person knows and feels about himself or herself. In this way one’s gender role as self-experienced would be the same as one’s gender identity, and there would be no need for two terms. But such an easy circumvention of the body-mind split did not win easy acceptance. Though the term gender role immediately was adopted into the scientific language, the term gender identity was soon there too—the role belonging to behavior, and empirically observable; and the identity belonging to the mind, and inferentially construed. In the glossary of Sex Research, New Developments (Money 1967), I wrote the following definition of gender identity:

[quote]The sameness, unity, and persistence of one’s individuality as male or female (or ambivalent), in greater or lesser degree, especially as experienced in self-awareness and behavior. Gender identity is the private experience of gender role, and gender role is the public expression of gender identity.

Excerpt from Money’s 1991 interview in [italic]Paidika The journal of paedophilia[/italic]

[quote]The paraphilias are simply types of erotic attraction. “Philia” means “love,” “Para” means “beyond the usual, distinct from, different from.” They come in degrees, some very dangerous and injurious, and others absolutely not. Some you might say are even playful. In trying to explain any of these paraphilias, I think one gains a good deal by looking for what I’ve termed the phyletic origins.

[quote]paedophilia is an overflow of parental pairbonding into erotic pairbonding. You don’t find it in ordinary cases of parental pairbonding. So, returning to the idea of affectional, it’s easy to see that the affectional relationship, in male paedophilia at least is a fatherly relationship. It becomes combined as well with erotic or lover-lover pairbonding. Understanding the fatherly or parental attachment is very important to understanding both the younger boy and the older man in paedophilic relationships* It’s one of the things that can make the relationship such a powerfully important one for the younger boy.

[…]

[quote]Paedophilia is a special instance. There is within it a combination of affectionate love as well as the lust factor. For many paedophiles - I’m not going to universalize any statement that I make - but for many, and probably the vast majority, there is a chronological factor. The erotic phases out sometime after the child passes the age of puberty. A very long-lasting affectionate kind of friendship ensues, but the erotic, romantic attraction is finished. There is, in other words, a separation between the affectionate and the lust factors. Certainly this has been the case with many people I’ve known through the clinic.

There's almost a trolling aspect to this. I mean, this is not only about eating out the female genitalia of a "trans man," but a completely mangled-looking one, attached to a humanoid who would be objectively considered head-to-toe repulsive by any demographic and criterion imaginable. There's not one box (sorry) that hasn't been checked on the repellency scale.

Davey's not looking so fresh himself nowadays.

Biological men have male aggression, even the biggest fem still suffers from a lot of male entitlement, which is a form of male aggression and dominance.

Human beings are animals who evolved to hunt and kill to survive. Both men and women have aggression just as any other species. Men just have physical advantages which enables them to do more damage. Men are more likely to pick fights with strangers. Women more likely to harm those they know.

I went to high school with a bunch of violent females. The really hardcore ones always looked like they had high testosterone.

Beyond physical violence, women generally are adept at emotional violence. Classic female aggression involves reputation demolition ("she's a slut" / "he can't get it up") and ganging up to perform social exclusion. Anyone who went to high school or who has worked in a large office knows this.

Female forms of aggression are also devastating and also leave a trail of dead bodies.

Davey has kept the video up because the controversy and the hate-watching is driving up views.

Davey has never eaten a vagina in his life and never will. He the classic "woke in the streets, terf in the sheets" gay hypocrite stereotype.

He is a child of the internet; a click bait troll hungry for the dollars that brings.

r203 I disagree, im sure he has fucked ftms actually. I dont think he really enjoyed it, but he is 'doing' it for the performative aspect I dont doubt. It is a bit of a quick jump from a few years ago when he made a video with that lesbian youtuber Arielle (persona non grata now) about seeing pussy for the first time. He minced and huff puffed about that whole thing, so now peaching to other 'gays' not only to eat pussy, but its literally problematic not to.....is interesting.

Oh but you are right in that he won't ever take it down. He is getting more attention now than he has had for years. On top of that, he gets to play a poor victim of the 'hateful' gays and portray himself as some great trans ally. Zoomers are all on board with this, as well as most straight (or 'queer') women and thats the bulk of his audience base.

^ what else can Davey do? He's too old for an Onlyfans and won't dig a ditch.

He found a job and made money and until recently was harmless. I thought he was stupid but he didn't bother me. The trans lunacy has changed everything so people think you have to go along to survive or at least make money. It's tempted many to sell their souls. Davey is harmful now, not harmless.

There's a Harry Potter theme about giving into great evil in all this.

Davey needs to eat pussy on video as punishment and then apologise to the gay community.

R201, testostorone plays a huge role in aggression and violence. Of course everyone is capable of aggression and violence but men have way more testosterone. It doesn't only give them more strength, it, in fact, makes them more aggressive and violent. Science is real whether we're talking about testosterone and violence, climate change, or trans bullshit.

R196 😳

Twitter is not the real world and those far left progressive ideologies originally came from bored college students on tumblr who were into slash fanfiction it spread like wild fire to other social media outlets in 2016 and got popular and encouraged by celebs,journalists and political figures and the LGBT community wanted to show a united/solidarity front as well because they wanted to rebel and fight against the trump era.

Male aggression is real, but gay men are living proof that socialization (and perhaps other factors?) can play a huge role in limiting violent behavior. We are statistically speaking the least violent demographic in the world. Yes, even less violent than women.

Don't believe me? Here you go:

"Gender" is sexist stereotypes "Gender" is homophobia "Gender" is neo-religion "Gender" is bullshit.

Testosterone makes you more likely to take a risk and jump into stupid situations. It also contributes to the male physique being taller, stronger, faster and hairier. But still it doesn't make you innately violent, it heightens your fight-for-flight response. It makes you more likely to use violence or run away and avoid conflict. It's a survival mechanism that developed when humankind lived in the elements and serious threats like predatory animals and invading tribes. Your only options were to fight or run away quickly. Not much long-term planning or mediation then. Human men didn't bear young, so they had to evolve to protect women who were vulnerable due to pregnancy. Women did evolve to be more patient, alert of their surroundings and cooperative due to having to maintain the social sphere and raise children. But it makes them likely to use shaming and emotional manipulation to get things a certain way to compensate for lack of impulsivity and physical strength. So men will use physical violence mainly due to their impulsivity while women will use emotional violence due to their social skills.

There's no such thing as emotional "violence". You aren't going to be murdering people with a witty bon mot.

R214 Yes because bullying, rumors, lies and emotional abuse hasn't led to downfalls, deaths and suicides of both women and men...

R215 Oh I'm sure it has contributed, however people who are stable emotionally aren't going to be offing themselves because some harridan insulted their dick size. Are we responsible if we flip someone off who cuts us off in the street, and it just happens to be the final straw for them so they drive their car off a cliff? No. Words are still not violence.

You diminish actual violence by claiming so.

R213, fight or flight has been joined by tend and befriend which is the more female response to perceived situations of danger that will accompany or take the place of fight or flight. It's why women are better at calming down situations. For instance, the presence of a female police officer at a crime scene has the effect of ratcheting down the intensity of the situations because she uses more tools in the confrontation. (I await the local MRA chapter to polish up their response noting a couple of female cops who were the opposite as they ignore the thousands of male officers who ratcheted UP the confrontation due to lack of these innate skills.)

R215, stop with your MRA bullshit. Everyone in the world knows males are more violent and agressive than females. When women take a bunch of testosterone in an attempt to pretend they are male, they also become more aggressive and violent.

R216 Well, human beings are social animals. We crave love, companionship and validation from our family and peers. You destroy someone's self-worth through verbal abuse and bullying and ruin their social life through rumors. Then that is equivalent in my opinion to physical harm. Depression and stress can in fact kill people and manifest into physical ailment. Suicide is no joke.

R217 Well maybe men should just be exterminated. And gay men should be banned from DL since we all are innately problematic. That should solve the problem. And I can tell you growing up, my mother and female relatives certainly physically disciplined the children while the men were hands on in that regard. I've seen plenty of physically abusive women. But let it all out.

*off

R219 Your thought process here is taking agency away from people, who are capable of making their own decisions, such as the decision to remain around someone who is abusing them verbally. Words are not physical harm unless they are shouted through a loudspeaker at 200 decibels six inches from someone's ear. This isn't preschool.

R221 You think children and teenagers can choose to be in schools with bullies or be in a homes with verbally abusive parents and siblings? You think adults who are in a destitute situation or have a mental problem can easily leave an abusive situation without money? Words cause serious psychological damage. You sound like a bully yourself by belittling the impact of verbal abuse. Free will doesn't exist the way you think it does. All people are products of their environment and they simply learn to adapt but the adaptive process is not always healthy. The human mind is not logical nor that separate from nature like modern Western individualism preaches.

And how the fuck did this thread go from gay men being rightfully offended by Davey Wavey's video that shames us gay men into sleeping with FTM to being taken over by radical homophobic TERFs who are now just shitting on men in general for no reason? Isn't that what the millions of MTF threads are usually for.

Gay men are not props in transmen's hopeless quest for validation as "real men".

We are a people with our own identities and needs, which are at odds with this quest.

Don't like that? FUCK OFF.

The person minimizing mental and emotional abuse and blaming victim for not leaving needs to create their own thread. People have said some pretty vile shit on this site but this bothers me the most because of what R222 said. This kind of abuse can scar you for life, it affects your self esteem and often impacts all future relationships.

Back on topic, wtf. I didn't look at her Twitter account but I did see this screenshot on someone elses.

Mutilated bodies are not attractive.

This has been the trans strategy from the beginning.

Tf, was that, r227 lmao??

Too many homophobic women on this thread making it about them and not enough outrage at the fact gay men are being sold out by sociopaths and bisexuals who label themselves gay or enmesh themselves into the gay community. So many 'twittergays' are coming out the woodwork as being bisexual. Fuck them all.

We are being colonised.

Women generally are more accomodating, so you have the split between the female ranks about allowing in "lesbians with dicks".

Gay men are more aggressive in defending themselves after years of abuse and violations, We are not going to take this shit. Men do not have cunts.

R229, 10 years from now gays will no longer exist and if you are one you will be labeled as a “genital fetishist”. In the comments of that vid there seem to be a generation gap who are against it and those who are for it which are male gen z which is sad 😢 the future for gay men is bleak.

Not going to happen because most gay men of any generation do not and will not sleep with FTMs. A loud minority of "queers" and bisexuals will sleep with them. They are not the gay community. Nor are the gays who say in public that women are men, even though they don't actually sleep with FTMs in reality.

R223 uh, you're almost there... There's a reason that Davey Wavey is doing this and celebrated for it in some circles.... It's not due to "rabid homophobic TERFs" (and many gender critical are prot sting against homophobia like this YouTube video).

R222 / R225 ALL I HAVE SAID is that words are not violence, and calling them that lessens the impact of actual violence.

You are the one(s) tying yourself in knots, throwing up strawman after strawman (and now ad hominems) trying to somehow "prove" words are literal violence, when they just aren't.

Words have meaning, and not just "whatever I want them to mean because it's more dramatic and headline-friendly".

This sort of hyperbolic twisting of language is exactly how we have ended up here.

[quote] Too many homophobic women on this thread making it about them

[quote] We are being colonised. Women generally are more accomodating

The way some of you think women aren’t colonised😪

Until very recently (the last couple of hundred years) most females were essentially still chattel or slaves to their husbands & families. Many still have to be. Men straight or gay will never get what this is like, or how painful and crushing it is to live with such ancestral trauma.

Really, we are sorry this is happening to gay men, and those of us women smart and aware enough to realise what’s going on did try multiple times to warn you and defend you. But the fact is that men won’t come to womens’ aid (or, they won’t without expectation of repayment in either sexual favour or willing social subjugation, racketeering-style) so we have to go to ground defend ourselves and our sisters who get it.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. There have always been a lot of men on the sides of women generally and lesbians specifically about gender-cult bullshit.

Don't be resentful that gay men are much more united and active in their rejection of gender ideologues intruding into our spaces than women and lesbians are. Women are very divided on gender. For every woman who stands up against gender there are plenty who will chant mantras about transwomen being women, or women saying that lesbians can have dicks.

Women need to sort their own divided house out first before attacking men over their alleged lack of support.

R236 you can't have it both ways. You're blaming women and praising gay men for being less tolerant, as if that means anything other than women have been forced and trained to be more tolerant by nature of their biology and male oppression.

And the reason she made that post is because this thread is full of misogynistic attacks on women and posts blaming them for the problem. All you're doing is further dividing and pushing away allies, which is short sighted.

[quote] Women need to sort their own divided house out first before attacking men over their alleged lack of support.

Yes, I actually agree with this. Many females are selling the cause down the river, and hurting their own daughters and sisters and mothers in so doing. It’s agonising to talk to some of these brainwashed women & girls, and harder still to take the high brutal road of leaving them to their fates to save ourselves.

The complete inside job that has been done on mentally torturing and crippling females since time immemorial is the biggest legacy of the patriarchy, and I say this knowing some of you will immediately and unfairly dogpile on this statement calling it blameshifting. Many women today have freedom and information like never before, but thanks to decades of aggressive socialisation & psy0p fewer have the ability to process and understand and use it. It pains me to say so, but that’s what we’re up against. This sums it up better than I can:

[quote] women have been forced and trained to be more tolerant by nature of their biology and male oppression.

And I wasn’t attacking men for their lack of support, or even bemoaning it—more of a resigned lament. Frankly, I don’t expect support from that quarter, at this stage in the timeline, and find the idea unreasonable. Why would anyone expect an oppressor to help them?

I'm actually surprised how many gay men stood up to Davey Wavey and the people supporting the video vs. how many gay men I have seen defending women against encroachment of their rights. Previously there have been crickets, except from a handful of gay men willing to go on the record.

I really thought there were more of us. I know it's a touchy area because on one hand women should be able to handle this on their own without help from men, but at the same time it's nice to have allies that support you.

YouTube and DataLounge are anonymous and that's why you hear more representative and critical views on gender on these platforms.

Twitter has its own dynamic, because it is structured in such a way to allow dog piling people into submission, and the format encourages simplification of ideas, so it's easy to misrepresent ideas you don't like, (eg "So and so is an evil transphobe" - but no explanation is required or even possible).

Dog piling blue check accounts means that influences, celebrities and public figures are far less likely to take positions that are gender critical. This helps to tip the scales on Twitter and create the false impression that gender-cult views are widely supported in society.

I saw this link from the other thread and reading from the comments st8 men are also like gay men were they strongly reject on transgender ideologies in their spaces.

This is all about guilt tripping gay men, whom the people behind this probably assume are more sympathetic to the trans lunacy than other people. Certainly from the interactions I have with gay male friends on social media, the vast majority are indeed down with the "trans men are men" nonsense.

They pick on the easy targets, women, lesbians and gay men. How odd there's no videos for straight men teaching them to suck tranny cock, or take it up the arse from M2F's with strap ons isn't it?

Twitter is absolutely not any indicator of genuine public attitudes. It really isn't.

R37, I'm a lesbian and a woman. The trans are the only ones attempting to erase us, as they are with gay men now too. Fuck off.

R241, it absolutely makes sense: men, whether gay or straight, are more fixed in their sexual orientation compared to women - straight men are disgusted by gay sex the same way that gay men are disgusted by straight sex; women tend to be more fluid - bisexuality is more common amongst women, less so in men. There's an evolutionary reason for this, but what it is, I don't know.

r210 pretty much. Some of that Tumblr shit I swear was parody too, but then it got taken seriously. LGB shouldn't have co-signed it but a lot of that Tumblr nonsense was posted in between gay porn, and the hot whores that showcased themselves reposting it as well screwed up everything because in the gay community whores have a voice ebcause they're "hot", So this shit was taken seriously. Then the whole Trump pushback and Tumbr/Twitter transition made it even worse. Then again in 2020 with the OnlyFans welcoming into the gay culture and Twitter being the forefront of that nonsense. Now it's all outta control.

The HarveyDelaney twitter account is a parody account.

Men who sleep with FTMs are bisexual but are selling themselves as gay when they aren't and never have been, and they wonder why gay men and straight women don't trust them.

Don't forget Weasley Woods and his porn skank bestie helped start all of this on their podcast, he was one of the first to claim gay men who don't have sex with trans men, and women hated women.

Nominally straight/bi men into FTM are so bizarre to me. Their preferences literally defy the generally-accepted and desired female body ideal of thousands of years—natural unmitigated/unmedicated (and non-atrophic) pussy, softer higher non-brassy voice, curvy but soft lightly toned body (I.e. no significant muscle mass), longer head hair but little facial or body hair, longer fingernails, non-ripped belly...

Just hard to see how a regular straight/bi man would want some knarled little flatchested gremlin with patchy stubble, chest scars and a rotting smelly orifice where a pretty healthy normal cunt should be. I guess it must be incels going for these FTM, or men who just feel they have no chance with a regular girl.

I remember Reddit r gender critical, which I didn't browse bc the man hating was off the charts. TERFS (and I use that to refer to the brave women who won't wheesht, etc, not in an insulting way) are allies in pushing back against destructive gender ideology and should be welcomed and supported, but don't forget that some TERFS are true believers in man hating which is just as ridiculous as gender woohoo.

[quote]bisexuality is more common amongst women, less so in men. There's an evolutionary reason for this, but what it is, I don't know.

To 'nerd out' for a moment, at least for the males, it probably is nature's method of controlling the population. Males can impregnate 100s to perhaps 1000s of females at the same time which leads to faster population growth. To ensure the population continues, there has to be a subset of the male population that has a sexuality strictly fixed to heterosexuality, and to help curb potential over population, there has to be a subset of the male population that has a sexuality strictly fixed to homosexuality.

The female bisexuality frequency may be a way to encourage pair-bonding between women in harem setups to add an element of agreeableness decreasing the likelihood of conflict between the females who may all be impregnated by the same male. This reduces the chances of jealousy and abandonment of the tribe/harem by increasing harmony and loyalty which is also a more ideal environment to raise children. An example of this in the animal kingdom would be a lion pride.

Just my theory on that.

^ Also, sidebar: Taking into account the familial setup of lion prides with cubs, Simba and Nala were more than likely (half) brother and sister.

You're welcome for ruining that.

R251, I agree with your analysis, and would add that pair-bonding among women in the hunter-gatherer era was also the result of men dying much earlier than women.

[quote]I really thought there were more of us. I know it's a touchy area because on one hand women should be able to handle this on their own without help from men, but at the same time it's nice to have allies that support you.

In today's world, men's voices still count much more than women's voices. Think about who is being heard on the FtM and MtF sides. On the MtF side, it is the trans people whose voices are being heard so, the men. On the FtM side the loudest voices are the gay guys and straight guys saying 'Hell no'. In both cases, it is the male voices holding the louder position. Women have not been listened to historically and it hasn't changed all that much. Any woman can tell you about being talked over by men all the time as if they weren't even there.

This is why it was always going to take gay and straight men finally getting involved to start to end this nonsense. Women can fight the good fight but you've seen what happens when those female voices go up against the male voices (even the ones wearing dresses) on the other side. They get beaten down, both literally and socially. Even JK Rowling, one of the richest most influential female voices in the world right now was stomped on. It's just reality. So, now that the guys are involved, maybe things will actually start to change.

R254 sad but true😔

Maybe consider the next time you hear a guy mutter “crazy p***y...”

[quote]it probably is nature's method of controlling the population

"Nature" is not a conscious entity. It is not a cognitive force. Everything that occurs in random.

Will we get the hose again if we don't?

Again, too many women making this about them - you have L chat to bitch about this on. This is for and about gay men, stop making it about you. The fact you cant even allow us to discuss this without circling it back to you isnt going to do you any favours. I am well aware of what is happening to women and lesbians, you dont need to tell us for fucks sake.

r248 The amount of gaslighting fucks who make a big deal about how they are sooooo gay when they start fucking FTMs and then a year or 2 later start fucking 'cis' women in actually astounding. So many brought FTM fucking into gay porn by saying 'look I dont sleep with women, im so gay' and no one could say anything as they didnt sleep with cis women at that time. Cut to now and most of them are.

r258, you'd have a point if these people weren't causing problems with [bold]nearly every demographic on the planet.[/bold]

This trans shit isn't just affecting gay men and FTMs aren't only going after gay men, most of them consider themselves "straight" when they transition and go after straight women, similar to MTF who mainly go after straight men. The gay community isn't the only group getting shit on with this nonsense. The gay community is, however, the only group that allowed this problem to fester to this point; namely gay men. And now you want to get mad when lesbians and straights give you the "Mufasa we told you so speech?" You all should've stopped this bullshit ages ago. This is one issue upon which we should be united. You shutting down conversation isn't fucking helping the problem.

Have the gaslighting parties begun to scream transphobia yet?

They did in the comments section of the video R260

Here is a song about Davey's vagina advocacy.

Davey is a money driven whore.

R256 no you're wrong, evolution absolutely can and does work like the quote described. Natural selection means you will have advanced adaptations and complex, multi faceted solutions for equally complex problems, and that this CAN occur naturally over huge spasms of time if you have a favorable bias on certain traits (i.e. mutation increasing the like likelihood of reproduction "of that mutation"). I don't know if your know this already because honestly you should it's basic Darwinian theory but your comment doesn't know that.

It’s sad that there is lots of homophobia on tik tok from gen z and they all believe in this stuff.

Homophobia, like a lot of ancient hatreds, never dies. It just changes its skin. We are seeing the same resurgence with anti semitism. We see a lot of young people now both homophobic and anti-semitic, after imbibing far left lunacy.

Suddenly Millennials don’t look so bad, eh?😔

No, Millennials are still terrible.

R264, you are completely wrong. It is random adaptations that just happen to make that animal more likely to survive and be able to pass those genes on. Over time, the more successful breeders have more babies with that adaptation being passed along. Absolutely none of it is planned or conscious or directed by anything other than adaptive fitness. If you think otherwise, you need to go get your money back from any science program you've ever attended.

A good article about how evolution works...

People lack nuance on trans matters.

It's quite easy for me to accept that someone is the gender they claim to be, in social situations. Because these are the situations where the material reality of biology doesn't really count. I'll call a man a woman and vice versa if we are chatting in the office or having a drink in the bar, or any friendly situation.

Gender identity becomes irrelevant at best and a fantasy at worst in situations where the material reality of sex is central. This includes pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding, medical care related to sexual organs, and also in the realm of sexual intercourse and romantic relations.

So yes, you can have a conversation with a transman in a bar and happily treat them as a man.

But no, you cannot have gay sex with a transman.

None of this is negotiable.

I don't want to have sex with transmen because they're women.

I don't want to have sex with transwomen because I like butch men.

Does this make me a transphobe or just someone who gets turned on by masculine men?

Here is another 'gay' man who is fucking and dating trans men. The girl calls herself 'good boy' and 'throat goat' and has 'a fat and creamy pussy'. These people are psychos and leeches of the gay community.

^ Can bisexuals and straights stop calling themselves gays?

These little girls are such creepy skinwalkers. No, silly child, you arent a gay man, you arent a 'faggot'. Holy fuck this enrages me and to think 'gay' men support this shit just sends my through the roof.

^ And women, for sure.

[quote]Can bisexuals and straights stop calling themselves gays?

NEVER, BIGOT!!

I hate the way those girls call themselves "fags" and "faggots". It's grossly offensive to gay men, off the scale offensive. It makes me genuinely hate the ones who do that.

Agreed, R278. It always seems to be the ones who complain about cultural appropriation too, who seem to think it's ok to appropriate themselves.

The teenage ones are the most obnoxious, naturally.

Despite all the abuse they dish out, I remain sympathetic to them, knowing as we all do how they will feel when they wake up and realise they've been indoctrinated by a cult and have mutilated their bodies and changed themselves forever. All based on a lie.

The latest comments: “this proves homosexuality is a choice”

R280 I'm not too sure. This generation feels too damaged.

R273 Good god. That is utterly revolting. It's like some kind of absurdly delusional, deformed cosplay.

R269 while it is not "planned" that creatures have two eyes, it has certainly worked that way for mammals. Aggregate changes absolutely can be seen as a vector--a mosaic vector, but directional nonetheless. I don't think we would disagree if we're were talking irl but on the internet I know I'm right and you're wrong and that's the end of it.

r283 Trans itself is nothing but "absurdly delusional, deformed cosplay".

[quote] I hate the way those girls call themselves "fags" and "faggots". It's grossly offensive to gay men, off the scale offensive.

r278 "Queer" is grossly offensive to gays, off the scale offensive. However, the queer/lgbtq+ cult (lots of gays too) "reclaimed" this slur, making it very normalised and celebrated in the mainstream. Any surprise that this bluetick rainbow queer/lgbtq+ cultist uses another slur fag??

The 'queer' reclamation happened in the very late 80s, early 90s. Personally, at the time, I found that rather empowering, and it was decades before it was co-opted and devalued again by the purple haired brigade. It also sounded a bit archaic back then.

I agree, R287. In the 90s when I was a kid, "queer" referred to kind of a defiant: "we're here" statement for gays and lesbians, and I remember "queer cinema" being a big thing to find the movies about us (things like Gregg Araki or Eat Fish or whatever). It did feel we had reclaimed and empowered it somewhat. I didn't mind being thought of as queer then.

Now it has no relevance to me as a gay man anymore. To describe someone as queer conjures up images of a different type of person.

Queer has come to mean all the people claiming to be in the gay community EXCEPT the actual gay people.

R288 a purple haired straight person who has "they/them" pronouns?

r288 Not exactly the best example as you only show 'queer' has always meant not gay. Gregg is an evangelical pussy believer, declaring his love of it at the height of his 'gay' fame.

[quote]Not exactly the best example as you only show 'queer' has always meant not gay. Gregg is an evangelical pussy believer, declaring his love of it at the height of his 'gay' fame.

To be honest, I don't really know anything about him, but Totally Fucked Up was the first movie I saw full of gay men and a couple of lesbians too. I would say "queer" cinema is more about the theme than who is making it.

[quote]a purple haired straight person who has "they/them" pronouns?

You know it!

I know that it's not really funny, but I get a chuckle every time I see this absurd (and apt) subject line.

A comment from the video....

also

Thank you so much for sharing that R296 - I want to link to that piece every time one of my lunatic acquaintances says that wanting a same sex space or looking out for the concerns of lesbians and gay men is transphobic .

Spot on.

That was excellent, r298, thanks.

Are those teeth photoshopped on?

Gaynaughtywelsh are still fucking ftm poon non stop. The actual cognitive dissonance they have is crazy. I just looked on their time line and litterally sandwiched between 2 clips of them fucking this 20 year old ftm they retweeted a pic of a shirt that said something along the lines of; 'gay sex prevents abortions; such more dick' - and then you scroll down one post and one of them is cumming in the gremlin ftm cunt.

Fuck these homophobic bishits. Fuck every single one of them. They are psycho and fucked but gay traitors

I've just discovered there was apparently a lesbian equivalent out there a couple of years ago that also got a lot of flack, and in response the people who run the site and the author ("fat trans latina lesbian") doubled down and accused the lesbians who weren't into this of being horrible bigots.

Why is all this nonsense happening? And what is so wrong with these people admitting that there are, and targeting their stuff towards, bisexuals? That would make more sense. As a gay man I'm never going to put my mouth on a vagina, it just doesn't do anything for me.

UKgymbois are doing str8 porn now. The original guy always called himself nothing but gay and mostly a sub bottom. Now he has his older bi BF he is doing bi porn with him. In the last 2 months they have released like 3 bi threesomes. Some of the replies are from other 'gay' pornstars about how much they want to shoot mfm porn with them. Bi men are the most homophobic shits.

The gay bottom now puts bi in his hashtags after years of never even hinting at being bi.

[quote] As a gay man I'm never going to put my mouth on a vagina, it just doesn't do anything for me.

It’s 2023. Stop being a bigot, you right wing anti-trans troll CUNT. White cis gays shouldn’t exist.

^Pretty accurate parody of an Autostraddle writer.