Ethel Kennedy turns 94 today

Spite.

She picks her nose.

Probably all that hard work of digging graves and burying people.

Hard work keeps you young.

Cuntism

I have this image of her at Hickory Hill staring in her demented state at a pet peacock, trying to remember which child of hers it is.

She buries her finger in her nose and flicks at all enemies.

Does she still ski or did the tree win?

[quote] Probably all that hard work of digging graves

And nostrils.

Really good drugs

She’s a shar pei.

Being bitchy to the salespeople at Bloomingdales. I’ve witnessed it.

R11

Legendary for that

If she buried them, my guess is a shovel.

Brown cock and primo coke.

A highball on the rocks to start the morning, another in the afternoon and a toddy at bedtime.

I loved Ethel's look in the '60s, it was almost iconic. And the biography I read of her was very entertaining. She certainly has lived a full life. I can't help but like her, despite all I know of her.

Stick an icepick in her, she's done

If you hate the Kennedys the hatchet job done on her I’m the 90s, The Other Mrs Kennedy, is a must read.

The Kennedy family was known to be awful to staff but Ethel was the worst. They went through three chefs in two days in the 70s. She was just full of irrational anger.

The one exception to this was Ena Bernard, who started working for the family in the 50s. Bobby and the children adored her; the kids saw her as a surrogate mom. Ethel despised her and wanted to fire her but her children wouldn’t let her.

Hickory Hill was a pigsty and poorly maintained. The basement was full of expensive rugs destroyed by their numerous pets.

She was put on a tight budget by the Kennedys in the 70s, and stories about her not paying vendors and trying to return clothes she already wore for cash to department stores were common. I believe at one point she was banned from Saks. The local service station ended up filing liens and assuming ownership of a couple of Kennedy cars, including Bobby’s last personal car, when Ethel didn’t pay the bill.

The roof on Hickory Hill rotted out in the seventies , and Ethel apparently didn’t have money to replace it. Jackie stepped up and paid for a new roof when nobody else would.

Really surprised she lived this long. Isn’t alcohol supposed to kill you early and wasn’t she a famous drunk?

R18, Yes, that book is definitely a fun read.

She reminds me of every Irish Catholic mother I knew growing up. Forced by the church to breed litters of kids and then wiped their hands of them shortly after they were born---letting them raise themselves.

I like the story of Ethel being in no rush to get to St. Patrick's Cathedral on the morning of Bobby's funeral.

Finally, someone suggested to Ethel that she should begin getting ready, to which she replied, "Do you really think they're going to start without me?".

I'm not surprised Ethel has lived this long since she was really athletic when young and unlike many of the Kennedys of her generation, she didn't smoke or drink her grief away. The fact that Joan is still chugging along is pretty remarkable though considering all she's been through.

Here's Ethel at her granddaughter's funeral in 2019, looking as confused as Liza at the Oscars.

Queen

[quote] Isn’t alcohol supposed to kill you early

No, it kills all the germs inside of you and pickles you. You’ll live forever as a drunk.

R25, Was that taken today?

Well, since the headwear reads “Happy New Year,” I’m guessing not.

She may not know what day it is, but she should know it’s not New Years Day.

I heard that her breath could burn holes through concrete.

Her face looks like a relief map.

94 doesn’t seem to be old enough. She’s been around in the news since the 1940s. And where’s her money? She came from money before the Kennedys.

Remember when Spy Magazine said she looked like the talking evil trees in the Wizard of Oz

R31 The Skakel family had much more money than the Kennedy. Her father created one of those products that was in “every American home type” of thing. He revolutionized mattresses, which beforehand had been crap for the very poor or obscenely expensive for the very rich. I believe his company eventually became Simmons.

I think she actually died 6 years ago, and no one told her.

I read a biography on the Kennedy family years ago. She really is a complete vile piece of shit.

R33, Her father was in the coal business.

"Skakel came up with an idea to purchase the coke from coal companies. In May 1919, Skakel and two partners put up $1,000 and established The Great Lakes Coal & Coke Company. The company would purchase the coke from coal companies and reprocess it into clean carbon which was used to produce aluminum. By 1929, Skakel had become a multi-millionaire. The business eventually grew into The Great Lakes Carbon Corporation, which became one of the largest privately held corporations in the United States. "

Why did Jackie have to pay for the roof if the Skakels were loaded? Weren’t Ethel’s parents killed in a plane crash or something? Unless they left the breeder no bucks, I guess that would explain Jackie with the roof and the Kennedys keeping her on a budget.

R37, Jackie may have felt sentimental about Hickory Hill, since she and Jack initially owned and later sold it to Bobby and Ethel.

The Skakels were loaded. They owned the land that was developed into Palos Verdes, CA. Her parents were flying there when their plane crashed. The Kennedys tried to finagle the land from the Skakels at a bargain basement price.

Ethel’s brother George Jr. died in plane crash in 1966. A couple of months later, his daughter was driving the Mustang Convertible he gave her as a birthday present, allowing a couple of neighbor kids to ride on top of the back seat and on the convertible top, when one of them fell out of the car to her death.

Six months after that, George It’s wife was eating dinner with her family when she choked on a chicken bone and died.

Ethel was left with substantial stock and trusts after her parents died, but it was tied up in a way that prevented her from accessing any of it. She basically had money problems until the mid 80s, when her fathers company started an Employee Stock Purchase Plan and she was able to unload her stick in the company.

The Kennedy trusts were designed in such a way to keep the widows from getting much money at all, tying most of it up in trusts for the children and grandchildren. Ethel continued to spend money the way she did when Bobby was alive, and would try to keep the bills from going to the Kennedy family.

She had probably been advised to sell Hickory Hill and refused. She also had a very acrimonious relationship with Jean’s husband (and Kennedy money manager) Steve Smith and she would hide bills from him.

When RFK died, the family tried to reduce Jackie’s trust income, as Bobby had authorized additional payments to her while he was alive. That is part of the reason why Jackie married Onassis.

"In July 1941, Hickory Hill became the home of newly appointed United States Supreme Court Associate Justice Robert H. Jackson and his wife, Irene, who, in 1955, after his death, sold Hickory Hill to United States Senator John F. Kennedy (D−Massachusetts) and his wife, Jacqueline. After the 1956 Democratic National Convention, the house was sold to John's brother Robert F. Kennedy and his wife, Ethel, who had a growing family (eventually eleven children). "

Crossfit!

Come on, R11.

Tell us.

R35 Ah, yes, I misremembered. I think Skakel bought the Simmons Greenwich estate at some point.

R39 good stuff. Thanks.

Bitch shouldn't be broke. Yes, she's had some terrible losses in her life, but she was also born hugely wealthy and married wealth, has never worked a day in her life, has servants and gets her aggression and pain out by treating people like shit, which she gets away with because she's Ethel Kennedy and has had so much trauma in her life. Evil lives forever

Didn't her brothers rape and kill some poor girl and get away with it, in the 30's? Or something along those lines.

DL fave Trevor Donovan wishing Ethel a happy "birth day".

Skakels were a horrible family

The Skakels were NOT wealthier than the Kennedys. Old Joe had multiple streams of steady wealth coming in at all times. By the mid 1950s, his wealth was estimated between 400 and 500 million dollars, while retaining sole ownership of the jewel in his financial crown - Chicago's Merchandise Mart, which his heirs sold some 25 years ago for 625 million. The Kennedy's are still secretly very wealthy. Trust, baby. Trusts. Kennedy money always stays in trust providing income.

[quote] Chicago's Merchandise Mart

Basis of fortune.

I guess she maintains on the standard Irish combination of sentimentality and resentments.

That's the winning formula me boys!

She as a terrible person. She was interested in politics from an early age and worked for JFK for one of his early Senate races, and wanted to marry him but he did not consider her pretty enough. but she was a Catholic and came from a family even richer than the kennedys, so she had to marry one of the brothers, so they passed her off to Bobby.

She was infamously envious and insecure and mean, and she got in good with her new sisters in law by leading them in mocking Jackie behind her back. She was he one who came up with the rhyme "Jack-LEEN! Rhymes with QUEEN!" which they all used to mock jackie, and she was also the one who pointed out that Jackie always ran water when she used the bathrooms at the main house at the Hyannisport compound so no one could hear her noises.

She was also a complete social climber and a terrible mother. She could never get enough love, so in addition to the 11 children she also kept a menagerie at Hickory hill, as others have pointed out, and let the animals go to the bathroom everywhere which was disgusting. She spent as little time with the children as possible, and as a result they pretty much ran wild.

[quote] The Kennedy's are still secretly very wealthy.

The Kennedy’s what though? Their dog?

I wouldn’t recognize her if I passed her in the hallway in the nursing home

R54, that’s because you have dementia.

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down her pants.

I would support letting Sirhan Sirhan out of jail if only he could shoot and kill r53

Thank God she still has her looks...

I worked in Washington for a few years and got the chance to visit Hickory Hill once for a fundraiser.

It was literally a rundown dump, no kidding. My frat house after a party. was cleaner and more impressive than Ethel's house.

Ethel horrendous behavior was an open secret in DC. She eventually alienated everyone except the priests and the nuns she befriended and for whom she maintained her pious facade.

Both of Ethel's parents were alcoholics as were most of her siblings...she grew up wealthy but in utter chaos with no ability to form meaning attachments to people.

With Ethel it was all just a big competition for status and power...and she was too thick to understand why people avoided her after she lost most of her power and status...then she just became more angry and bitter.

When she would invite others to come and play tennis, her assistant would always have to pull the guests aside and let them know it would be very unpleasant if Mrs. Kennedy didn't win every match.

Blah, blah, blah...

which one of you goddamned fags is getting to lift my dirty wrinkled old ass off of this toilet

Jackie and Eunice Shriver seemed to be the only decent mothers in that bunch.

is she the one who lobotomized her daughter and made her a blithering idiot? All for having sex! Sounds like the old queens on DL.

R61, Ted Kennedy’s kids turned out well. Some of the Lawfords—that’s about it. And most of Bobby’s kids are ok, believe it or not. But the ones that aren’t (hello, RFK Jr) are epic messes.

Ethel didn't really hate Jackie so much as resented the attention Jackie got for being beautiful and for being a fashion icon.

Ethel didn't really care about fashion but she could never stop competing for attention...

so Ethel would actually buy multiple designer gowns for an event and change midway during the party in a misguided attempt to make others envious of her.

Jackie used to do a wicked impersonation of Ethel, asking in Ethel's grating nasal way

"Hey kiddo, whadda ya been up to?"

what keeps you going, OP?? you have a lot less going for you than her...

Tanning is really healthy for the skin.

R61, two of Teddy’s kids had serious addiction issues, so I don’t know that his kids turned out well.

R68, they turned out ok actually. The daughter passed away from natural causes some years ago.

Rose and Joe’s granddaughters turned out well for the most part. Kara and Kerry both had addiction problems but they seemed to have worked on them and put them behind them.

The grandsons-in particular RFK’s sons, William Smith, and Chris Lawford- didn’t fare as well, although Chris did work on his addictions and was in a good place the last 20 years of his life.

Ted’s son Patrick is bipolar and an alcoholic. Joan left Ted in the mid 70s and moved on her own to an apartment in Boston, when Patrick was young, so that didn’t help.

JFK Jr, the Shriver sons and Ted’s eldest son turned out good.

Pat was an alcoholic. She took off for Paris after her father died with her daughters and left Chris behind, and he got into trouble as a result.

Finally, is Jean’s creepy eldest son Stephen Jr. gay? He never married, always escorted her to events, and looks like he went to the same plastic surgeon as Joan Kennedy.

Chinese opium and black Irish dick.

"Now you know when I threw my Cadillac Fleetwood keys at your earlier, I was only joking around."

"No hard feelings, huh Mr. President?"

Sounds like a party r71!

R70, Kara died in 2011 at age 51 after suffering a heart attack in a Washington, DC gym.

R70, Stephen Smith, Jr. has always looked odd, and yet his parents were both good looking in their prime.

Ethel was self centered and a subpar mother

R70, that pictures literally look like demented zombies . The family was dysfunctional to the core which explains the Multi generational addiction issues . They were raised to compete with each other and that had to create such insecure anxiety they had to chemically numb it .

R67 - yes, but the HAIR! I've always loved Ethel's '60s hairdos.

Back in the day, I can picture Ethel's house looking beautiful from the outside, but smelling of animal piss once you got inside. There were horror stories about Ethel for years by high end department store employees, but I also remember similar stories about Eunice, though not as extreme.

Years ago, someone on another Kennedy thread claimed that the lived or worked in the Watergate (can't remember which) and Stephen Smith was an epic weirdo who stole the sugar packets off the table. Supposedly creepy Willie lives somewhere around the DC area, but he keeps a low profile, which is probably for the best. I don't think he ever had kids.

I recall when the granddaughter OD'ed a couple of years ago, the kid had been living with RFK Jr.s family; you must be one fucked up parent to let your kid live with that nutter, even if he is your sibling.

R79, I believe it was suicide

I've read about the menagerie of animals and how they all shit and piss all over Hickory Hill. That is revolting. That's something only mentally ill people allow to happen.

Jackie always kept her contact with Ethel at a minimum, just enough to be polite. One can understand why.

RFK was fantastic, Ethel was so shallow

[quote]I've read about the menagerie of animals and how they all shit and piss all over Hickory Hill. That is revolting. That's something only mentally ill people allow to happen.

Or the borderline personality disorder mind of a woman who grew up in a family so devasted by alcoholism that she's constantly trying to guess at what "normal" should be...

During her childhood, one of Ethel's brothers favorite pranks was to drive a car into the family swimming pool.

She longed for what she saw as the relative stability of the Kennedy family. As those who know her say, "She was always trying to out-Kennedy the Kennedy."

And then there was the perfect storm where the Catholic church pressured this woman who is unable to even recognize the needs of others to have 11 children.

How much suffering could have been avoided if Ethel had just been allowed to become a dyke P.E. teacher?

Ethel placed her Hickory Hill mansion, where she had lived since 1956, on the market in 2004 at an asking price of $25 million.

She subsequently withdrew the listing in November 2008.

It was sold in December 2009 to a Virginia businessman for $8.25 million.

In a sense, I can feel some sympathy for little Ethel, who grew up so surrounded by such neglect and chaos and who had so much materially but had no meaningful relationships or an adult to care for her...

But at some point, she should've gone to therapy like millions of other Adult children of Alcoholics and faced her problems.

Instead she just became a cruel ruthless woman who perpetuated the cycle...

R87, is a 12 step loon who has no compassion for anyone really .

R79 I can believe Stephen Sr. stole sugar packets. Back then, the Kennedys were known for being notoriously cheap despite their massive wealth.

R87 Irish Catholics of Ethel's generation did not go to therapy. They medicated their pain with the bottle, or in Ethel's case, religion.

11 kids! That pussy must've been like the Grand Canyon.

She was so phony

R87, this was the 1940s and 50s. Therapy probably wasn’t in anyone’s vocabulary.

Early in Robert and Ethel's marriage, Joe and Rose Kennedy would reportedly be summoned to Ethel's household periodically to try stop her hemorrhaging of money and to try to address the other emergencies.

Rose was said to be outraged once when she found an expensive antique French ormolu clock in the maid's room that Ethel had given to the maid to use an alarm clock.

Rose who had had her own inadequacies as a mother would scold Ethel, "You can buy a good sturdy electric alarm clock for less than $6."

Ethel would also buy outrageously expensive and impractical items for herself and Boddy while leaving her children in the care of by whatever itinerate help Ethel could hire. As noted above, Ethel was so difficult that the staff turnover was constant.

Ethel once bought Bobby a museum-quality Etruscan vase for an anniversary that was broken by the children before she had a chance to give it to Bobby.

Ethel once had the basement of Hickory Hill fitted with a lavish and impractical sauna as a gift to Bobby, but forgot to even mention the gift to Bobby, who discovered it weeks later. The sauna had to be removed at an equally outrageous costs, because of the danger to their frequently unsupervised young children.

Whiskey and Sex! She's a Kennedy after all!

I don’t think that Bobby loved Ethel . He respected her as the mother of his children .

Bobby allegedly had flings with Jean Seberg, Claudine Longet, Rosemary Clooney and of course, Marilyn Monroe.

Joan Collins says openly that she was asked by him to meet for a weekend in New York a few months before his assassination.

Bobby was not attracted to Ethel . It was an arranged marriage because of her family wealth .

I do believe that Ethel was traumatized by Bobby’s Assassination

R98, ummm…11 kids say otherwise.

Just DIE already!

Remind me of the actress Bobby allegedly had sex with the day of or before his assassination.

She’s vile and a complete moron to boot. Watch Kerry Kennedy’s HBO doc “Ethel.” She has NOTHING interesting or insightful or even entertaining to say about any of the events or people she’s witnessed in her long and privileged life. Not. One. Thing. Zilch.

R103, Rory Kennedy produced the HBO documentary.

This clip of Ethel getting punched in the stomach by an enthusiastic musical conductor in Japan never gets old.

Joan Kennedy is also pretty old

What a silly question. She's alive. Life keeps her going. Do you think she should kill herself?

I do believe that Ethel was traumatized by Bobby’s Assassination

Did she have his brains in her lap? DID SHE? DID SHE!

R18, thanks for mentioning "The Other Mrs. Kennedy". I found a copy at my local library.

Yowsa.

Very dishy. I didn't start at the beginning, but after Bobby died. Funny, the library book opened to those sections.

According to this book, EK was a nightmare to work for. Lots of stories. With lots of witnesses to her behavior.

For example, refusing to pay cab drivers who brought her home, claiming they were cheating her. Even so far as to slap one cab driver who was explaining he was responsible to his employer for the charges and she didn't have to tip him. She yelled and just went into the house. One of the employees who witnessed this, paid the cabbie herself and told EK (after she calmed down) and EK was angry that she paid. And never reimbursed her. And commented that EK would pick on people of a lower social scale, perhaps because they could not fight back.

And that pattern of big spending and then returning stuff to the stores. Amazing the number of stores that let her get away with it. Although she was banned from other stories.

And some much uglier behavior too.

I'm just now at the parts where she's attaching herself to other men. (The Kennedys were hoping she get married again, although those close to her never believed she would.) Andy Williams was one possible, with comments from AW's former wife Claudine. Frank Gifford was another. Also David Brinkley.

Very, very dishy.

I was looking at her pics at Getty Images and there were at least a dozen different pics of her with Alex and Hilaria Baldwin, in different settings. I wonder what their connection is?

[quote] Stephen Smith, Jr. has always looked odd, and yet his parents were both good looking in their prime.

Pretty sure he's gay.

R112, He never attended his brother's rape trial in Florida, yet numerous Kennedy family members showed up to show support, even JFK, Jr..

Sanka and a weekly dose of virgin's blood.

I have to say I'm quite taken by Max Kennedy as he was here (I think he's old and fat now). Which of Ethel's other sons were the hottest?

Kennedy teeth near your dick doesn’t concern you?

Well, it is true, RFK and Ethel's kids got a double dose of big teeth.

R100, they had sex for babies . They both wanted a large brood. They are both heterosexual I’m not implying that I’m just saying that it may have been an arranged marriage between two powerful families.

The youngest son, Douglas Kennedy, is ok looking, but hardly a heartthrob or something.

The best looking Kennedy grandsons are JFK Jr and the Shriver boys.

David was the most handsome ( better in person) and a sensitive soul . He was Bobby’s favorite child they had an incredible bond.

Andy Williams was gay. When a friend of mine who knew him well told me, I was kind if surprised. She said, "You think he was with Ethel for the hot sex?"

Andy Williams also became a rabid right-winger later in life.

Andy Williams was one of those celebrities who was big in his day and is totally forgotten now.

[quote] Didn't her brothers rape and kill some poor girl and get away with it, in the 30's?

No.

[quote] is she the one who lobotomized her daughter and made her a blithering idiot?

No.

Max Kennedy is a nice person, or at least was when I went to college with him in the mid1980s. He seemed almost as if he were trying to make sure he did not fit the image at the time of RFK's sons as wildly entitled--he was very affable.

I also went to college with Amanda Kennedy Smith, his cousin, who was much more aloof.

[quote]Andy Williams also became a rabid right-winger later in life.

Andy Williams was always a Republican by his own admission. But how closeted he was is another conversation.

It was Ethels Skakel nephews who got involved in the supposed rape/murder of a young woman, but they got off.

With the right elderdrugs, women can live past 100. Men, not so much.

R128, Bet your ass.

R127 I’m sure they did…..multiple times.

[quote] I also went to college with Amanda Kennedy Smith, his cousin, who was much more aloof.

Not a real Kennedy, and I won't specify why. Some people will know, though.

She was adopted ☝🏼

After reading Joan Kennedy's Wikipedia page, I'm really surprised she's still hanging in there.

It's a miracle Joan Kennedy is still alive.

R132, And she's Asian.

Amanda isn't Asian R135. You're thinking of her younger sister Kym. Both of them were adopted by Stephen and Jean Kennedy Smith when they were babies and are every bit a Kennedy as their relatives since that's the family that raised them.

Kym married a bartender and had a drag queen named “Mr Pussy” tattooed on her arm.

I wonder how cunty and judgmental Ethel is to her.

R136, I'm sure Joe and Rose were just thrilled to have an Asian among their extended family.

r136 they're not really Kennedys, they're not biologically related.

They're not biologically related but they're still Kennedys. If you have a family member who was adopted, do you go around introducing her as your fake cousin because she doesn't share your DNA R139?

Ethel, can you please stop referring to Kym as 'the help', she's our daughter, not a maid.

R140, Of course.

r141 chinky chonk, chinky chonk!

r140 they're not really your blood relatives, so it's different. I have two adopted cousins and I've never felt a bond with them like I do with my biological cousins. Many people are like this.

Adopt animals, not children.

That's really sad for your cousins R144. And no, many people are not like that.

Yes they are r146. I'm not an asshole to my cousins, I just don't have the same bond with them. It's just what it is.

R146, Blood is thicker than ink.

Love is thicker than blood . Ethel’s favorite child was Michael, the one who died in ⛷ accident .

[quote]That's really sad for your cousins

Believe me, you don't have to feel sorry for them. At all.💰💰💰 🤑💲 💲 💲

I hope that black dress is dry cleaned and ready to go.

Didn't the ski patrol or rangers or whatever they are, tell Michael and the other Kennedys right before the catastrophic collision with a tree, to stop playing touch football while skiing?

I never knew a dyke like you, but I Knew ETHEL> > > I never knew a dyke like You!

r147

Yeah, I'll probably get flamed agreeing with you, but 3 cousins I grew up with were not blood. I get what you mean. All affable guys, just didn't have the same bond either despite not knowing the circumstances until I was older. Hard to explain and often judged by outsiders. Families are complex.

R152, yes and entitled Kennedys ignored

I didn't know Hickory Hill was sold years ago. Where does Ethel live now?

[quote] What keeps her going?

The great scent of aqua velva

R156, Year round in Hyannis at the Kennedy compound.

At 87 in 2015, Ethel was game enough to take the Ice Bucket Challenge.

Ethel turns 96 today.

Will she live to see her son become President?

Does anyone know the exact body count of human beings who exist/existed because of her voracious appetite for cock and her aversion to condoms for religious reasons?

She put up some impressive numbers on the board - 11 completions, 0 miscarries.

She’s attempting to live longer than Rose did, so there will be an update to this thread in 2033.

She’s a competitive cunt-the only reason she had 11 kids was to surpass Rose’s litter of 9.

Ethel turns 94 today?

People think I'm dumb but even I know that Ethel Mertz would be well over a hundred years old

She seemed pretty self-absorbed and not an attentive mother. Obviously she did a few things wrong: dead kids, and RFK jr.

The Skakels are renowned pond scum and Ethel didn't improve with marriage into the Kennedys. Nasty, entitled moron who rarely paid her bills. Her fucked-up brood, with RFK Jr as standard bearer, testifies to her near-complete failure in so many roles.

Other than that ... happy birthday, bitch!

Jackie kept her kids away from Ethel’s brood.

So did Eunice and Joan. Pat kept her daughters away from the RFK brood, but let Christopher hang put with them, to his detriment.

[quote]She's buried a husband, children, grandchildren and even a great grandchild. What keeps her going?

Milk of Magnesia.

I sent her a a bottle of Jean Nate and a Tis-Sue.

She was always pretty bitchy towards Jackie because she was competitive with her. Her competitiveness meant that she fit right in with the other Kennedys, whereas Jackie (for all her many other faults) was not competitive in that way.

Ethel would make fun of the way Jackie would pronounce her name--"Zhack-LEEN! Rhymes with QUEEN!"--and would gather the other Kennedy women outside the bathroom door of Joe and Rose's house when Jackie was in it to make fun of the fact Jackie would run the faucet while she was using the toilet so as to hide embarrassing sounds.

Ethel is my neighbor on the Cape.

She is and always has been a vile excuse for a human being.

I saw her recently at the club for the eclipse. She was propped up in a golf cart.

It won't be long for the other Mrs. Kennedy.

[quote]What keeps her going?

Thrive!

[quote]Didn't her brothers rape and kill some poor girl and get away with it, in the 30's? Or something along those lines.

Only murdered, not raped.

And it was her nephew (brother's son) in the '70s.

Does anyone remember this two-part TV movie with Jill Hennessy as 'Jackie' and Lauren Holly as 'Ethel' that originally aired on NBC in 2001?

Dad was a coal baron not a mattress maker.

Virginia Slims and Vodka from the looks of her.

who is in charge of the Kennedy compound at this point?

for example.......who would have green lit Ethel moving in, as referenced above?

thanks

She was competitive with her mother-in-law and took pride in the fact that she'd had more children (eleven to Rose's nine). She's probably hoping to break Rose's record and live to one hundred and five.

R179, Hickory Hill was sold years ago. Hyannis is Ethel’s residence year round.

R181, She was a bitch to JFK, Jr. when he inherited the JFK house on the compound after Jackie died and Caroline wanted no part of it.

Ethel objected to JFK, Jr., his wife Carolyn and their guests walking across her lawn to get to the beach, among other complaints.

The Other Mrs Kennedy is a great read if you dislike this old battle axe. Hickory Hill was a pigsty-the Shah of Iran gifted Bobby and Ethel Persian rugs. They allowed their menagerie of animals to defecate all over them.

My favorite story in that book is when Ethel “bought” a dress from Saks i for an event, and was photographed in the dress. The saleswoman clipped the picture of her in the dress from the paper.

The next day, one of Ethel’s lackeys showed up with the dress and tried to return it for cash even though it was stained. The lackey was told by the saleswoman that Saks wouldn’t take it back, and then the lackey made a scene (probably because Ethel would have lost her shit if the lackey came back to the house without cash).

Annoyed, the saleswoman wrote a note for the lackey to give to Ethel, with the newspaper photo of Ethel in the dress affixed to the note. She wrote something to the effect of , “I am sorry Mrs. Kennedy , but the dress has been worn and is stained, and Saks isn’t a consignment shop.” Ethel didn’t show her face in Saks for a year.

If Ethel took a taxi home to Hickory Hill, she would try to stiff the driver for the fare by telling him he should be honored to have driven Mrs. RFK and not charge her.

And to think she was pretty much Woman of the Year in 2968-69.

But we know why.

1968, of course.

Had he survived, Bobby’s 99th birthday would’ve been Nov. 20.

Some years back there was a story about her going to get gas for her car and the gas station employees would first ask "Do you have any money today, Mrs. Kennedy?"

Sounds like she would even stiff the gas stations.