The Bear Party NYC is now allowing women

And now:

"Dear Twitter friends, recently the policy of The Bear Party was to allow only trans men who had undergone top surgery to attend. My erroneous assumption was that most all trans men undergo top surgery. This was wrong, and I apologize to those were offended by the policy informed

by that belief. The policy also assumed that all trans men’s bodies look a certain way, and that’s also untrue. The policy of The Bear Party from day one has been to allow trans men to attend. Only recently did we stipulate top surgery was required. We are removing this

and are going back to the original “yes” to the question of whether trans men are welcome. Thank you to those who were generous in offering their perspective, and thanks for reading, Twitter people. 🐻❤️

How is this not bearking?

Ugh, just... Go away r2.

Hairy fat women.

THIS trans man is happy!

This gay man is NOT happy!

NYC is thankful Ashton Brown is in AZ R5 and we hope Ashton stays there.

Ugh. So this means all the bears have the potential to be Steven Rea when they go back to their apartment to fuck.

WTF is happening?

We couldn't have seen this coming with the destruction of lesbian spaces, eh?

Actual bears angry that hairy humans are appropriating their culture at sex parties.

Women?? In MY sex parties??

Most of these women who cut their breasts off are ultra butch lesbians. They have zero interest in men. The weird ones fixated on their chest hairs, etc who want to hang out with bears are a minority.

It is the opposite for males to trans. Most are straight white male cross dressers/fetishists who never have any type of trans surgery.

This pretty much guarantees the beginning of the end of this event.

Trannies ruin everything.

R13 the ultra butch ones who cut their tits off were the only type allowed before, but now that they have been Twitter shamed and yelled at for being bigoted, they will allow trans men who are basically women except they are taking testosterone, or not even that because making any requirements would evoke the Twitter mob again.

So basically anyone's allowed now.

Maybe they could measure busts at the gates? Anything larger than a B-cup gets turned away.

There was a thread deleted earlier today that showed a bunch of post-mastectomy women pretending they were men. It was deleted before I could figure out why so many of them didn't have nipples. Where'd their nipples go? Why would they do that? They look even more un-natural without nipples, like some alien trying to pretend it's human.

But what about the chubs and the ones with the jutting pecs, R18?

Quote I just saw on Twitter -- I love it so much I thought I'd copy it here.

"If a vagina doesn't make you a woman, how come lipstick, high heels, and a handbag do?"

Pass it on!

HawHaw!

R20 that shit is something we've all been trying to figure out ...apparently it's either the mood your in one day that determines your gender. Not your genitals.

And I'm not saying your genitals always determine your gender (though they do your sex, a biological, scientific factor that should no be ignored at at least certain times) but they sure have a more solid case for it than however you say you feel one day.

r16 Thank the fanatical 'LGBTQIA+' gays who, for all these years, have been screaming that "Trans Women Are (100%) Women" [that naturally also means Trans Men Are Men] and that "#TransRightsAreHumanRights" (What all the slogan-shouters actually mean is that the right to self-ID - 'making requirements' like surgery, testosterone, etc. itself is the definition of TRANSPHOBIA/anti-trans/anti-LGBTQIA+ to these loons).

The true Bears will stay away.

A lunatic fringe is pleased, at the expense of the original - and way larger - clientele.

The New York Bear Event will soon add another sad statistics to the adage, ‘Go Woke Stay Broke’

Now you know how it happened to MichFest.

WOMAN IN THE DEN! WOMAN IN THE DEN!

Oh, please.

My ex (who was a cub) and I were invited by an acquaintance of his to play cards with a bunch of bears. I guess they were hardcore, because we soon got word that they wouldn't tolerate anyone "acting like women". Were they talking about me? Who knows.

I guess I passed the test because I wasn't asked to leave, and everyone seemed relaxed. Though they were all dreary, straight-acting bores (think Proud Boys, Jan. 6th militia-types).

It left me with the feeling that some men aren't so much attracted to men as they are repulsed by women. And maybe being a clone is a form of masturbation.

I'm no longer attracted to bears.

I'm not attracted to bears with vaginas either.

First time?

r30

The organization should’ve stood their ground. Always playing the tread-upon victim doesn’t work anymore.

The Trans aren’t happy

Not having that ‘apology’

And get a load of ‘TS Mistress 10” Maxine’

^^ Ms 10”’s Self-Portrait!

Why can't they just start their own party? If I see a vagina at a sex party, I'd leave. I'm gay because I like cock and balls not because of the social construct of gender. I don't care which bathroom or locker room you want to use, and I think violence and discrimination against trans people is abhorrent but geez, let us have our thing.

For those of you who were around in the 70s, did y’all cave this easily. Thank you to those of you who stood up against the mobs back then. We need your energy again. It looks like today’s gays are retreating.

If those trans men had remained women, it wouldn’t have been necessary for them to travel all the way to New York in order to get laid with men who look like bears. They could‘ve stayed in their hometown and scored 10x the amount, and they all would’ve been genuinely butch and masculine bears.

I’ve been to the NYC Bear Party and I saw this coming a mile away. They weren’t happy just catering to bears, so they adjusted their admission policy to give a discount to young guys. That signaled that they were moving in a direction that paying customers didn’t want and several stopped attending.

Additionally, with the addition of a Twitter account, some were concerned that it would bring too much attention and a possible raid from the police.

Finally, Covid stopped a lot of their business and when they geared back up, they were asking for vaccine proof which killed the anonymous aspect.

On a lighter note, one of the venues where they hold parties is a floor above a Muslim organization. Only in NYC, can you have one floor of men discussing Mohammed and directly above them a gay sex party where all the men are required to be nude.

Maxine 10" or whatever saying being inclusive to all body types is the antithesis of a bear party. It's a fetish party. Jesus.

"I don't care which bathroom or locker room you want to use, and I think violence and discrimination against trans people is abhorrent but geez, let us have our thing."

Has it ever occurred to you that women's bathrooms and locker rooms are women's "things"? We've only come to this point because women/lesbians weren't listened to.

No, it hasn't occurred to me because you're not interacting with other people sexually in the bathroom or changing room. It's totally different.

So I’ve just gotten a bit into the circuit party scene as of the past year or so. I’m not a big drug dude but now I understand what’s happening: gay MEN traveling to the ends of the earth to have events that are for gay MEN. The trans fringe and assorted other lunacy are priced out of these things: financially excluded. And the gay men at these events can breathe a sigh of relief that we don’t have to explain why we don’t want trans this or genderqueer that in our spaces.

THIS is why people do the Atlantis cruises, winter party, etc. etc. and why parties like this will die a slow death.

r44

R45, just stop blocking people and then you'll be able to read everything your little heart desires.

r46

Remember what the trannies did to Michfest...They pulled put their "girl-dicks" there.

So give the loud,always unhappy minority within the trans community what they want, as always happens. Let them have it. Including NYC Bear Party. Start a new one. Call it BearCock NYC. Like the vaccine, no one enters without one. Clitdick, no exception.

Appeasing the mob just makes them more bloodthirsty. Cancellation 101. Something escalates from demanding an apology to firing/shutting down an event to blacklisting/trying to force the original offenders into suicide.

R38 we didn't use "y'all" in the 70s.

R28 that seems more like you got pissy because you're kind of fey and they were telling you they didn't like you at their bear event because they wanted masc bears, not queeny bears.

It's a preference, like any other. They just aren't that into you.

Interestingly, the Bearpartynyc Twitter account has deleted their apology tweets. I wonder if that means they thought better of it after actual bears started giving them so much shit.

It's wild because you never see this sort of gay male pile-on for the trans stuff with women. There's some, but I was actually surprised how many gay Twitter accounts were decrying this decision and making the point about "no vag at my bear party".

Well looking at the BearParty thread on twitter now it seems no one is happy. Which should teach an important lesson. You'll never please everyone so choose the side you're going to be on and have the balls to stick to it.

How many actual gay men are going to even bother going to this? How many trans men will just show up to protest?

R44 I'm curious as to whether there is any reliable data on the wealth and affluence of trans. It seems well accepted that gay men and women are likelier to have more discretionary income since they're not spending it on children.

Given all the Hofundmes for top surgery and facial feminization surgery or for "getting away from a bad home situation" I would say a lot are poor. But given how many middle aged men are trans now, maybe they just don't like cruises.

R55, actually lesbian couples are lower than other couples when it comes to money. Gay male couples are at the top. It all has to do with men being in the equation. Gay male couples have two earners (usually) who make more money than women, even those without children.

I think it is straight girls, not lesbians, wanting to come to the party. Excuse me, gay trans men.

R11 well bears do eat fish.

r13 You are so out of touch its borderline sad. No, most FTMs are sexually interested in men (though many not exclusively, they date other ftms and women also - so......bisexual like 90 most of women). T makes them hornier also, so many who even start off as 'lesbians' become bi/ gay men. And thats just talking about the older ones - its been happening since the 90's. Hell, Buck Angel has had (and still does) had more cock in their them than most gay men. And the teen transitioners? Im truly not exaggerating when I say 90% of them believe themselves to be gay men.

This whole 'lesbians who cut their tits off and dont bother gays' is not only untrue, its ridiculously untrue.

Wouldn't you?

R60 Most effective (leftwing) conversion therapy so far

Got a gash? Welcome to the bash!

[quote]On a lighter note, one of the venues where they hold parties is a floor above a Muslim organization. Only in NYC, can you have one floor of men discussing Mohammed and directly above them a gay sex party where all the men are required to be nude.

There were plans for the Trocadero in central London to be turned into a mosque. A lot of LGBT people were very uneasy along with all the bars and pubs, and it ultimately didn't go ahead. But the Westminster LGBT+ Foundation who are funded by donations and have no accountability supported it.

And if anyone things women aren't going to protest in men only spaces, having been told they have to share their spaces with anyone who self IDs as a woman, then think again.

r57 Many lesbians were originally straight single moms from a failed hetero relationship. They already poor long before started munching the carpet.

Women forcing their way into mens spaces is nothing new-it’s been going on for decades

I’m glad my club days are over. The thought of having to justify why I don’t want to have sex with an enraged bearded lady is ridiculous.

R64, I don’t get the Hampstead Heath issue. Doesn’t that area also have “women only” and “co-ed” areas as well?

R68 Creepy straight male cross dressers have been allowed to bother women in the former "women only" area.

[quote][R64], I don’t get the Hampstead Heath issue. Doesn’t that area also have “women only” and “co-ed” areas as well?

Men who self identified as women were allowed to use the women's pond.

[quote]In December the women’s pond changed its rules to allow males who self-identify as women to swim in the pool in order to cater to transgender women.

So women self identified as men and used the men's pond and got arrested for their efforts.

[quote]There were some men annoyed because they felt their privacy had been invaded

Men in women's spaces - fine! come on in!

Women in men's spaces - CALL THE POLICE!

Stupid. Men and women should have their own spaces. It’s healthy. Women who insist they belong in men-only spaces for recreation are just wrong. And vice versa.

Trans should have trans spaces, for themselves and the fetishists who want to share space with them. The YMCA is not a kink dungeon.

[quote]Stupid. Men and women should have their own spaces. It’s healthy. Women who insist they belong in men-only spaces for recreation are just wrong. And vice versa.

The women were protesting because men were allowed into the women's spaces. They don't want to swim with men. They were doing it to make a point.

The women got arrested for their protest, but men are allowed to continue saying "My name's Sheila!" and swim with women.

This is not, has never been, and never will be, bear king.

First they came after the women.

Them they came after the gays...

You know the rest.

Who the fuck is the jackass who's saying 90% of women are bisexual @ R60? Is it the same fool who wrote "Many lesbians were originally straight single moms from a failed hetero relationship"@ R65?

Whoever you are, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ehh, can you really tell who’s male and female when everyone is fat?

What about the other sex parties where you have to be in shape and be male? I don’t see those letting women in cause you submit pictures of yourself. As long as those remain quiet….

They'll be targeted next, R76.

After DECADES of infiltrating, damaging, and ruining all places exclusively for men; colleges, health clubs, social organizations, etc., it's laughable now how so many of you women and lesbians are infuriated and blaming gay men that this is somehow our fault. No cunts, it's all on you. 100% on you.

You started this in the name of righteous feminism. You bitched and screams and yelled until nearly everything centric to men and their community was shuttered or forced to admit you. Only now do you see the right and cause for the sexes to have their own places if they choose to. You all literally legislated your way into running and taking away places for men and boys, (even the poor Boy Scouts are gone. Forced to accept girls. And, yet, we still have Brownies and Girl Scouts exclusively for little girls. Go figure.) Now, a bunch of cross-dressing freaks are "invading" your spaces. They're besting you in your own sports competitions, they're coming into your bathrooms and showers and taking your parts in the workforce and in acting jobs. Don't you fucking dare blame men on this. THIS is what you did and now Pandora's box has opened, and after shitting on us, it's now taking a massive shit all over you. And I think it feels pretty good.

R61 hell no. I need a cock, as do most gay men.

Just enough. Trans people can organise their own parties and pretend with each other that they are different sexes. Why do we have to pretend just to avoid upsetting their delusions? I for one would be totally turned off at seeing vaginas and boobs at a male sex party.

Well said, R78.

R6, The comment underneath that gay guys is annoying in the fact that it lacks any historical context. Transgenders didn't invade women spaces then shift into other minorities groups. They already imposed themselves onto the gay community in the 60s and 70s then they felt emboldened to move into women's rights and spaces.

These "it was only a matter of time" remarks don't help and only shift focus onto blaming other minority communities that don't really have the power or control to stop this from happening.

R78 Dad, take your meds & go back to bed.

R78, They invaded our spaces when they took over "radical faeries" groups and other similar groups that were meant to be for men only. The end result of that was these communities lost a lot of traction and gay men just ended up going elsewhere. I think the same will happen with trans, people will get fed up of them and find a new place where they don't have to deal with them.

R60, Buck Angel is a porn whore. Of course, her atrophied vagina has seen more cock than the average gay man, as have all the porn-whores. I don't think most transmen are lesbians, at least not anymore. There's definitely been a steady rise in the last few years of straight and bi women and girls calling themselves gay men.

Just want to clarify, (backtrack?) on my comments at R78. I sound angry at women. And sometimes I am. But it isn't out of any misogynistic hate. My own life has been impacted and affected by this sort of thing. As far back as college I would tell friends that I thought it was a good and healthy thing that men had their own institutions, as long as those institutions weren't taking public funds or using public resources. And yet even those private institutions had their walls blown down in the name of gender equality. So now, it's difficult not to see and acknowledge that there's a healthy amount of hypocrisy at play among most women, and even men when they express the outrage of transwomen invading their places. And I want to say that I really do feel for women. I think a 7 ft. dude with the shoulder span of a B-17 has no reason, or moral right to compete against college women, trouncing them by miles in competition. It isn't fair to them. And I am 100% against men/transwomen invading ladies' rooms. There have already been many, many cases of pervy trans men (not that all of them are) doing creepy things to women and girls. So yeah, I'm on the side of biological women.

But women as a group have never seemed to be on the side of men when these things were impacting us, even though reasonable, logical arguments were being made in defense of mens' organizations. There was no sympathy for them, no sympathy for decades and centuries-old groups and organizations that were forced to admit women based solely on arguments that a woman wanted to join for no other reason than to force her way in. I really don't feel good about seeing womens' spaces taken away in the ways they're being bastardized by the activist trans community now. I only hope that one day, maybe men can have their own colleges, clubs, golf clubs or whatever in the same way women do. In my own city, there's a business called "Co-WorkHER". It's one of those shared co-working spaces, but for women only. My city is super progressive and has ordinances against discrimination based on race, gender, and identity. And yet, no-one utters a word about this business. That's the stuff that's blatantly hypocritical. If women want us to stand with them, and I do, it's time that maybe they stand with us and realize they were wrong about some of those things in the past. If a private person wants to form an organization for men only, women only, trans only, etc., and if a sports team is organized of, by, and for women, they should have the right to do so without being bullied into accepting a warped concept of equality.

R76 it's a nude party. So, yes. And even though some FtMs may pass on the internet, in person is another matter, where you have voices and movements and even smells.

R84 but they won't. Once the trans find out about it, they will raise hell for being excluded and the cycle will begin again.

I blame Lucille Roberts. She never let men into her gyms.

R82 The trans of the 60s and 70s are not the trans of today. There were much less of them, for one and most didn't insist that they were literally the opposite sex. The modern trans movement didn't get going until something like 2014 when they declared gender king and sought to replace sex completely. They mapped out what they were going to do then, and have been very successful.

Gross.

FTM smell awful. They don’t understand that they still need to douche their vaginas. Hormones also make them stink. It’s gross.

Please, someone let this Redditor know:

Can we stop mixing and combining the gay community with the trans community? WE ARE NOT THE SAME. Make a “trans party” 1-2 days a week instead.

R86, give some examples of the men's places that women in the 60s and 70s, etc., invaded. The vast, vast majority were in the name of exclusionary practices that kept women out of the dealmaking and upper echelons of corporate "bro-world". Men were trying to hold onto all their little power clubs by making places exclusionary and then doing all their business dealing in those exclusionary places. Women didn't care about men's little social gatherings, it was the economic part that they were fighting to be included in.

R93 Why is it always a transman goes to gay sex party, expects all the gay men to be attracted to them and have sex with them, ultimately gets rejected by the men, and then goes and cries in the bathroom for an hour?

I thought it was just a DL joke but apparently this cliche is quite real.

R95, you're kidding I hope? I'm not doing your homework for you. You look it up. Start by searching on mens' colleges, Presidents Health Clubs in the 90s, the Boy Scouts of America, Augusta National Golf Club, the YMCA, mens' campgrounds, private schools, social clubs. How dimwitted can you be to suggest there are no examples? Also, look into the non-legislated places in which men used to see as unique to them. Gay clubs is likely the most glaring example of pop culture places and institutions no longer seen as unique to men. But something tells me you'll refute each and everyone, and that women are somehow the only victims, the ones who matter the most in this respective subject, right? Right.

The actual bears will stay home causing the party to eventually stop being held entirely, and the FTM community will of course blame gay men for it.

The mental health community and woke gay idiots are to blame for this moronic shit.

R51 Lol! R38 here.

I don't understand a FTM wanting to go to a gay male sex party, I can't think of an event that would make you feel more like a woman, even if you have a beard and a mastectomy. Also, it's crazy for a woman to 'transition' just to have sex with men, as someone mentioned upthread. But this is not new. I remember reading about 'girlfags' in Bust magazine 20 years ago. Girlfags are straight women who wanted to have sex with gay men and felt that their 'spirit' was that of a gay man. That's what's happening now, just add hormones and surgery.

^I also want to add that I went to the FTM Reddit page and it didn't take much scrolling to see a girl post-mastectomy with self-harm cutting scars. It's criminal that surgeons are working on such damaged girls and women.

yeah, I don't usually read reddit but it's an interesting read. Most comments on there unsurprisingly blame gay men for not wanting to have vaginal sex.

It's about time. So brave.

R101 There's this trend of F2Ms thinking they are gay men and wanting to hang out with us because they like the culture. They are basically f*g hags taken to the extreme.

That lesbian in the reddit article - she's been on T all of two months, still has tits and a vagina, but looks a bit boyish in the right light, thinks she can go to a gay sex party and take off all her clothes and that gay men will want any of that. It's totally delusional. She's a woman and gay men are same-sex attracted, but all the formerly gay orgs changed their definitions of homosexuality to "same GENDER attraction" so now it's transphobic if gay men require their partners to have penises and, you know, be men.

Excellent and true comment R78. I find the people at work who are most demanding and strident that we respect people's preferred pronouns, which usually involves tranwomen, are straight women. God help you if you misgender someone in a meeting, someone who is not even in the fucking room. I look at them and think, you have no fucking clue how you and other women are being fucked over, as woman, by all this trans bullshit, and it is only going to get worse.

I can guarantee you most gays who go to sex parties want to get fucked. This is obviously impossible for a pre-op trans man, and if he’s post-op, either he needs a pump to get a boner (which could take forever) or he has a tiny penis. Both are deal breakers for gay guys.

Not impossible if he's a bottom, R107.

R107 Gay men aren’t going to a gay orgy to have sex with a biological woman. It doesn’t matter if they’ve mutilated themselves to create the illusion of a man. Sexual orientation isn’t a debate, it just is. Don’t bother trying to engage me in a circular debate.

R109, maybe they should give it a try. You never know what beautiful things might emerge.

Has the administration of Oberlin weighed in on the issue?

[quote]There have already been many, many cases of pervy trans men (not that all of them are) doing creepy things to women and girls.

Source?

R109 I was never in favor or agreeing with trans men going to gay orgies/sex parties. Are you on crack, or you simply can't understand what I was trying to say?

Can't they have their own bear event or is their goal just to ruin this one?

Ruin this one, r114. 99.999% of the people on Twitter giving them shit would never go to any sort of bear party.

R107 Doh! Replied to the wrong number, my apologies.

I want to stress that at certain parties sponsored by this organization, all participants must be nude (shoes mandatory). They won’t let you pass from reception to the play area unless all your clothes are checked. I don’t understand why a T person would want to be in a room of fully naked men.

r117 Because they are attracted to men and get off on being perceived as a man themselves? Again, many of you haven't kept up with the changing times. No longer are they all scared of their own pussies - they want big hairy men to stick their cocks in them.

Do you not watch porn? Ftms are litterally everywhere now, even in mainstream studio porn. I will repeat, most Ftms are into men. This whole 'they are just super butch lesbians' is sooooooo far off the mark.

R97, you are just wrong. Most of the examples you gave were, indeed, due to women being unfairly kept out of places where business deals were done. They were purposefully being kept out of the upper echelons of business because men did their deals in the "male" spaces. If men would have stopped holding their business meetings at the local fucking stripper club or "men's club", women would have been fucking grateful but they wouldn't, so the women went where the business men in the highest levels were spending their time networking, fucking sexists that they were.

And, in case you want to look it up, the Boy Scouts opened up to girls because they couldn't get enough boys to sign up to stay in business. You are just repeating the same sexist bullshit that your father and grandfather were spewing. Go educate yourself.

Gay men are men, and the T-gals are going to find out, unlike the biological gals, we aren’t so easy to push around.

Especially those of us who survived the AIDS fucking epidemic.

Your little pronouns aren’t going to frighten us into submission

I'd care but it's not as if BearParty would welcome someone like me either and I actually am male. Transpeople are a symptom of an online world and you wouldn't have these kinds of problems if you stayed off twitter and made it word of mouth only.

The flaw in r119’s argument is that even if you force your way into a club you can’t force people to do business with you.

And to you, porn is "the real world," R118?

Ah...that tells me all I need to know about you.

R118 - but they'd get thousands more men to stick their cocks in their pussies if they didn't transition. I don't think the craving for gay cock is the motivation. But then I can't claim any expertise in trying to work out the motives of crazy people.

These are heterosexual women, trying to get gay men to have sex with them. It's not really going to work is it?

And from my limited experience of the bear scene, it is incredibly misogynistic which is going to cause more issues.

As a gay man I will do EVERYTHING to keep this cult happy.

R75 I agree that it is stupid to say that most women are bisexual. I think they are less frequently bisexual than men, they are just more open to experimenting in youth, because there is no big stigma about it. We all remember the parties and clubs where two hot straight girly would start making out drunk and the straight guys were probably cumin in their pants.

The guys who have done such things, have done it on the most illegal down low.

I think that what is true is that lesbians are usually not strictly homosexual like many gay men are. A lot of lesbians are in fact bisexual and attracted to certain males and in certain circumstances. Some are in lesbian relationships because of emotional problems with men, not so much for sexual attraction, there is a name for it, political lesbian, too.

And it is understandable, who would be political gay? Why would you be in relationship with a man, when he is lazy, selfish, whorish, untidy son of a bitch, if you weren't attracted to him.

R126 -- are you a bisexual female? A xx chromosome lesbian? Some kind of social scientist who's going to post the data here that backs up your claim? [Full disclosure -- I am a lesbian social scientist who has also worked as a statistician.]

If not, STFU.

Queue the meltdown when no one is willing to hook up with them...

R28 I am an xy chromosome lesbian.

[quote] now they will allow trans men with perky bosoms

How perky do they have to be?

R28 Being a social scientist in today US is the greatest barrier to the truth. Facts usually aren't politically correct and if they aren't too bad for the facts.

r132

r123 Oh, you are a lesbian who only comes here to rant about trans, but dont like it when gays give their own (non feminist) opinions of it (your post history reeks of casual gay male hatred). This is our own space, fuck off back to L Chat or something. You clearly have no idea of the specific impact, or how the ftm 'craze' is affecting GAY MEN specifically and have a (metaphorical) hard on to shoehorn everything into some lesbian feminist lense.

'Porn' isnt everything, but being a lesbian you obviously have no idea of a) how prevalent and for lack of a better word, influential porn is (for better or worse) on gay male sex and spaces. Im not going to write a fucking dissertation on it, but yes the fact every 'gay' porn star is now singing the praises of pussy DOES translate and influence gay mens culture as a whole. Especially with the rise of social media and the amalgamation of porn and social capital and yes, many gay men live very 'online lives', in a way that lesbians dont.

You lost Mitchfest, but we lost our ability to name and define what gets out dick hard.

R135 there are some gay men who seem to despise feminists because some small number of them at some point did or said something mean about gays and misogyny. These gay men seek to make any conversation that involves lesbians or generally feminists about attacking/blaming women rather than the topic at hand. It comes across as quite misogynistic and frankly, incel behavior. There are a few of them on the DL. Often they tell lesbians to get off the board because they don't see lesbians as allies even though we are both same sex attracted and are natural allies.

That being said I'm not sure what you two are arguing about.

My roommate went to a bdsm party he found on a gay site. Half of the people who showed up were women. He never went back. I also joined a FB local bear page and women have taken it over.

I don't believe you, R136. Link to the facebook page. And which gay site was this listing in where a bunch of women showed up to the gay male bdsm party? I bet your "friend" just can't read.

R137 = It's true. My roommie was getting into the BDSM and it was a starter group and he had bought all kinds of toys and fetish furniture--including a portable sling with stand. He went to the local leather bar where the meeting was and there were lots of women there. Also the Lezzbys are taking over fetish night at the leather bar too so a lot of guys have stopped going. As for my bear group---it is true. I don't really need to prove it. I don't think they would be thrilled for the attention. It is a BEAR group and the chicks are invading it.

Feminism has always involved man hating, do n’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

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There is not an epidemic of women in men's spaces, but there is an epidemic of men in women's spaces. It's also silly to equivocate the two; they are not the same. Those of you whining about trans men being everywhere need to get a new schtick, that just isn't believable and it's painfully obvious you're using it as an excuse to be misogynistic.

This thread isn't about bear parties being invade by trans men. It's about bear sex parties being browbeat and bullied into dropping sex-based restrictions in the name of "trans men are men" and the elimination of the line between sex and gender, and the replacement of same sex attraction with same gender attraction, where gay men are expected to be fine with vulvas and lack of penises because otherwise they are called transphobic.

Those of you with other agendas, kindly take it elsewhere.

R141, sorry those FTMs are everywhere esp in gay porn. That is a agenda. Actually all of is.

[QUOTE] It is a BEAR group and the chicks are invading it.

The chicks? Are you posting from 1972?

I must say that I am lesbian friendly and am sorry if my post seemed disrespectful in any way. I believe that there are exclusively same sex attracted women and that there are passionate and sexually positive lesbians.

I just wanted to say, and I am a guy who was hanging out a lot with lesbians and have a few close lesbian friends (more than fag hags) and talking to them and observing them I found out that they tend to be less exclusive than gay men when it comes to bisexual behavior And they would express their attraction to some guy eg. celebrity, but not like gays with divas, they would say that they would actually have a casual fuck with them.

Of course, there seems to be a great emotional connection in many lesbian relationships and I dare to say that lesbian relationships are more frequently based on emotional than sexual connection compared to those of gay men.

I never meant to dismiss lesbian sexuality because of so called political lesbians. But they really do exist and not just few of them. Nothing against them, my impression is that they have psychological and emotional problems with men and their sexuality is not originally homosexuals. And I believe they can bond closely with other women and it is ok if their partner is satisfied with what they can give. Maybe it is just the shame that they miss full erotic life, but who am I to preach.

I know that in the phallocentric society (which are basically all) lesbian sexuality can be seen as something less worthy and it was never my intention to say that.

These are the types of straight women who think they're gay men now - she nearly EXPIRED from a rampant case of hyperbole!

They're not "everywhere" r142 unless you're watching Naked Sword exclusively, but there are more of them showing up in formerly all-gay male studios. However they are easily avoided (for the most part).

Let's not be hyperbolic, like the madam in r145.

Why blame those sick females (ftm, nonbinary, genderqueer, cisqueer/allies, however their mental illness identifies)?

What's weird is not the mentally ill invading outsiders - loons have always existed everywhere - but our very own gays who have barely fought but enthusiastically welcomed those who do not belong as ours and have dug our collective grave with their fanatical lgbTQ+/queer "activism" where "trans men are men" is the only truth.

Those gay sites, FB groups, party organisers and male participants who make up (more than?) the half - those "gays" are the very problem who think these females/ftms = men/gays/those who belong.

I don't get the video at R145 - is she F2M? If so...it didn't work.

R148 yes she is. Check out the quote tweets on this one.

People (the ones who weren't all "you're so brave! Icon!" etc.) In the replies to her hyperbolic "literally shaking rn" thread were saying she was being homophobic by chasing off a gay man. So she responds with this (apparently totally in earnest):

"Absolutely creasing at this logic

Apparently I (a gay person) am homophobic, for *checks notes* being gay"

Well, she's a F2Gay, whatever that is. She's a they/them but apparently that makes a straight female into a "gay person" now.

It seems terrible that in 21st century US the misogyny is still so alive that it pushes girls to mutilate their body and become some sort of uncomplete man. Cause I see this happening, not some massive real gender dysphoria.

Reminds of the old custom of "Sworn virgins" from the most primitive highland hinterland part of Balkans. When a house was left without the male heir, one of the girls would put on the male clothes and started to live like a man, so she could take care of mother and sisters. But she had to remain virgin, no bears for her!

Of course the custom was banned as retrograde and discriminatory in times of socialist Yugoslavia and Albania, but few older virginas remained. Who would have thought that it would soon reemerge.

Some more about virdzinas.

R141 the list of mens spaces that women invaded has been posted on this thread several times. Feminists encouraged that and also encouraged feminists like Judith butler. Reap what you sow.

The psychiatric community is responsible for this bullshit. They’ve really fucked up.

R154, it's not really psychiatry. It's Big Pharma, which also effectively controls the psychiatric community.

Trans people are customers for life.

First, for hormones, which are incredibly expensive, and are almost never paid for out of pocket. Second, for psychiatric drugs.

Not coincidentally, pharma companies are some of the biggest political donors, and biggest advertisers in every kind of media.

The Trans train is making obscene amounts of money for a lot of people.

These bears need to put their paws down.

R146, you know this is just the beginning.

Is the Bear Party cancelled because of the shooting?

That deranged woman at R145 is insufferable.

God, the fucking lesbian feminist (and gay man hating) twat that is stinking up this thread needs to fuck off. You really think you can come here, and make this thread about what gay men are experiencing in regards to the ftm bullshit all about you, women and lesbians? You have made plenty of other threads here which you could shit up with your bizarre mixture of political lesbianism and misandry.

Jesus Christ, this is not the way to go about gaining political friends. As much as a fucking hate this ftm bullshits, 'terfs' are seemingly just as fucking bad. You dont even acknowledge what we have to deal with, its all about YOU.

R160, lesbians have been attacked and dealing with this shit for years already and the huge majority of gay men have basically said, "too bad, so sad, doesn't affect us!" Now that the shoe is starting to be on the other foot, you attack the lesbians instead of the perpetrators. I really can't think of a single time that gay men have had the backs of lesbians. Can you?

R161, we’ve never had your backs as you never had ours.

r161 some of us have, just not the handful of very loud individuals in this thread. You can see them ranting about it on the BearParty threads, too. But they don't speak for all gays.

That's good to hear, R163.

R162, go learn your gay history. Lesbians have the lowest rates of AIDS infection but where were we throughout the height of that pandemic? It didn't even have to affect us for us to stand with all of you. Now that this trans bullshit that has been hitting lesbians hard for years now is starting to affect you, you not only don't stand with lesbians, you attack them.

r164 I have actually seen trans activists try to stoke the Gay-Lesbian divide to distract from discussing trans, in many DL threads over the past few years. It's a tactic. While I know some gay guys do genuinely think that way and are quite misogynistic, I wonder how big the issue actually is, if you take out the manipulation tactics.

So this proves, despite all the pronouns gymnastics, binary labyrinths, cross-dressing spectacles, and face-twisting caterwaling, all women, in the end, want to be dominated by men

r166 it doesn't prove that at all.

Lesbians are way tougher than these delicate flowers.

R166 Wtf? How on earth did you come to the conclusion that all women wanting to be male dominated?

R164, lesbians helped during the aids crisis is a myth.

You're absolutely ignorant, R170.

R170 = You are correct. Also some of them were at the gay clubs in the 80s looking for Bi Men to hook up with. Nobody ever talks about that either

Who would want a bi whore in the times of Aids crises?

This whole thing started with letting girls into the Boy Scouts.

It's impossible to create an Eagle Scout equivalent in the Girl Scouts, you have to make the Boy Scouts into girls.

I genuinely hate this timeline.

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R170 not true, not down under, I saw it myself with friends that passed of AIDs n the late 80's and early 90's, I can recall the lesbians being around and helping out

[quote] Often they tell lesbians to get off the board because they don't see lesbians as allies even though we are both same sex attracted and are natural allies.

As a gay man I have absolutely nothing in common with a lesbian.

You would have if your employer decided to fire all gay men and lesbians on their staff.

How come these FTMs always try to infiltrate gay male events?

It's because straight men wouldn't put up with this bullshit.

The straight men are putting on dresses and aggressicely trying to have sex with lesbians, r179.

R177 You get what you deserve now.

Fucks trans. Ever since Caitlyn's big reveal we got a deluge of trans this that, we're had enough fuck this shit. Why the fuck did we get this onslaught of FTM since 2014.

Transanity.

I(f they've infested it, the whole thing will be gone soon, and of course, they'll blame gay men...and somehow lesbians.

The Boy Scouts have let girls in, but the girls have their own troops, not mixed. Nice bullshit from Mr. Reddit upthread.

So did the Bear Party happen or what? Anyone have any updates on this? I’m not on Twitter

The responses to this poster are pretty good.

R187 Agreed. Proud of my fellow gay men responding aggressively and on point. I saw the on Reddit as well, I wonder how many of those replies were from DL and Reddit.

I'm surprised Reddit didn't ban everyone for that.

I posted above and got a lot of disbelief.Here is your proof... I joined a LOCAL CUB MALE GROUP on FB....And the Admin not only allowed women but is posting THIS bullshit. WOMEN in the BEARS groups now...MAMA BEARS!!.....Fuck these bitches!!!

Absolutely no one could ever have seen this coming!

R191.....Women BEARS!!.....This is insanity....Mama Bears!!....What gay guys are going to want to go to a Bear Contest and get stuck watching these fat bitches taking time on the stage!!

This doesn't mean any real change. The obese slobs who attend bear events have always been little girls anyway: you only have to watch them petting and cooing and squealing in mutual reassuance and admiration, with their waddling steps and pirouettes. It's fucking tragic. Every sad sack fat kid from junior school is there. Except now they feel empowered by their bellies. And to listen to any their conversation – OMG – you can feel your IQ plummetting by the minute.

Let's all become a homogenous hodge-podge of nothingness.

[quote] I guess I passed the test because I wasn't asked to leave, and everyone seemed relaxed. Though they were all dreary, straight-acting bores

Are you over 50+? Straight acting is a homophobic slur used by gays of the old. There are many masculine out gays today.

[quote] It left me with the feeling that some men aren't so much attracted to men as they are repulsed by women.

Not wanting to deal with women is not the same of being repulsed by them. Gay and bi men prefer the company of other men the same way straights do. Women hate this, but most men would spend 100% of their time with other men if they could. So it's natural that the minority of effeminate men, gay or straight are rejected, it's sad but that's what it is. There's a tiny group of bi men who love fems to fuck but that will never marry one because why would they? They already have a fem they hate at home.

same as*

Careful, r193, you have crossed over from mocking to obvious envy.

[quote] we are both same sex attracted and are natural allies.

Horseshit!

[quote] It comes across as...frankly, incel behavior.

Utterly irrational statement, R135. Gay men don't want to fuck women.

They want the world to be a nice homogeneous shade of beige.

I'm going to vomit.

"I'm surprised Reddit didn't ban everyone for that."

People with front holes get banned for defending their homosexual orientations, but the bepenised are safe for the most part. The Reddit mods seem not to appreciate that this alone completely demolishes their "sex doesn't really exist" theory.

There was a Telegraph group run by the guy who runs the party that had to be shut down because the deranged Gen Y and Milennial trans apologists trolled it.

Jeez, I’m glad I’m 62 and my rampant days are behind me. Imagine if Craigslist was still a site for hook ups and one of these loons turned up at your door? If you rejected them they would probably arrange for a demonstration with dozens of protesters turning up outside your house or apartment building waving placards and mega phones. I wonder if they frequent outdoor cruising sites?

This is gay harassment pure and simple.

[quote]Additionally, with the addition of a Twitter account, some were concerned that it would bring too much attention and a possible raid from the police.

A raid over what?

What is bepenised?

[quote]Are you over 50+? Straight acting is a homophobic slur used by gays of the old. There are many masculine out gays today.

WTF are you talking about?!

R190, what is that? She doesn’t look like a man. Give us more info. Who is she?

[quote] A raid over what?

In NYC, they classify these events as private parties. However, there is a fine line between private parties and sex clubs. It could be raided and shut down.