Why is there so much variance in eye and hair color in Europeans, and no other race?

Neanderthals, probably.

[quote] Africans, Asians, and people from Oceania pretty much all have dark hair and brown eyes, unless they have coupled with Europeans.

Basically all humans, EXCEPT for white Europeans, have black hair and brown eyes.

Including Native Americans.

The purple pod people purred perfectly.

There's some blonde hair among some Pacific negroes--i.e. Solomon Islands--a blonde gene mutation seems to have shown up there.

The light hair and eyes are hypothesized to be a reponse to a lack of sunlight--so lower levels of melanin make it possible for the humans of those latitudes to absorb more vitamin from less sunlight. Even where light eyes and hair didn't evolve (i.e. northern Japan), you get lighter skin--though even there, there are blue eyes among the indigenuous Ainu. There are other Asians with light eyes as well--most of Russia, after all, is in Asia.

As for indigenous Alaskans, who aren't particularly light, one theory is that, historically, they get enough Vitamin D from their diet--specifically raw seal liver.

There are some redheads in the Middle East and India. Some gray, green, or hazel eyes there as well.

It all has to do with your ancient ancestors and where they migrated in the world. Physical acclimation to various, regional, world climates Right?

[quote] It all has to do with your ancient ancestors and where they migrated in the world. Physical acclimation to various, regional, world climates Right?

Not true.

These physical variances in hair and eye color ONLY appear in Europeans, and no other races.

And if it does appear in other races, it's only because they fucked Europeans, and their kids inherited European genes.

The ONLY variances appear (as R4 so impolitely mentioned) in Papua New Guinea and Solomon Island natives, who resemble black people, with the exception of some having blonde hair.

And of course, albinos.

Other than that, there are no variances in hair and eye color in non-European races.

Because they're Special, of course.

R5 that is because middle East and Indians are also Caucasian like whites.

Op It would be more accurate to say the variance is among caucasians not whites.

[quote] middle East and Indians are also Caucasian like whites

Again, that's inaccurate.

Those areas border Europe (this includes North Africa).

Which is why you will find European-ish looking people all along the border of Europe. This means, the "Stans," India, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, etc.

There are many people in those areas who have European genes mixed with Semitic and African genes, which is why some of them have fair skin and lighter eyes. But originally, the people in those areas still had dark hair and dark eyes.

It is only through inter-marriage with Europeans, that their looks have evolved.

R10 you are wrong.

Op, I misread. I don't know why?

R7, Nope. The Ainu evolved a blue-eyed gene without intermarriage. I'm not sure what you call "European" since there are also blue and green eyes among the Afghans, northern Indians and Central Asia. Perhaps you consider these people "white", but they're not "European."

Most Europeans and their descendants on other continents have dark hair, ranging from black to medium dark brown. Italians, Greeks, southern Slavs, Spanish, the southern parts of France, Switzerland, and believe it or not, Germany are countries where dark hair is the most common hair color It is only among northern Europeans that blond hair is equally distributed with dark hair except for a few places where it is the majority color. Same with blue, gray, and green eyes. When Europeans settled North America, people with blue eyes were the majority. Now they are not - that's partly a result of the immigration of non-blue-eyed people, but also the fact that the US is at a more southerly latitude than Europe, and blue eyes no longer confer a genetic advantage, which they do in far northerly latitudes with low levels of sunlight. I have read that there will be fewer and fewer redheads over the next several generations, because it is recessive and needs two parents with the recessive gene to appear in offspring. Blond hair and blue eyes will probably never die out completely - blue eyes appear rarely but in a random fashion all the way through central Asia to the northern part of India and in some parts of the middle East. The area of origin of the blue eye mutation is around the Baltic Sea, and that is likely the only area that will continue to have many blue-eyed people in the future. Our distant ancestors had light skin and black fur as do present-day apes. It is only when our ancestors lost their fur that the mutation for dark skin became protective against the rays of the sun, and thus dominant. The further from the tropics humans have ranged the more likely their skin will be lighter, because dark skin becomes a liability in far northern latitudes. (Doesn't absorb enough sunlight to make vitamin d, etc.). Those of us with European ancestors owe our strange coloring to the geographic accident that Europe is temperate yet very very far north, and overall it is a very cloudy continent with low light levels year around, especially in winter.

Because whites are for diversity, while the others not so much.

R14 seems to be the only one here who actually knows what they're talking about.

Is R5 greyed out for others - or just me?

Uh.... ALBINO?

[quote] There are other Asians with light eyes as well--most of Russia, after all, is in Asia.

This is why using the word "Asian" to describe a race is so ridiculous. People confuse geographic "Asia" with it.

100% Irish with multiple family members with red hair. I’ve always wondered why we were so different. I think it was the absence of intermarriage. Isolated in a small remote area for centuries without any external genetic influence - since maybe the Vikings. Coincidental that the light skin, blue eyes, fair hair is - or was - an access point to privilege in America.

The white race is chosen.

That's why.

It was in the Bible.

Noah had three sons, which represent the white, black, and orientals.

God blessed white people. Orientals went their own way. Black people suffered the curse of Ham because of what that son did to Noah (something about seeing him naked and Noah cursed him).

That's why we are where we are today.

It's all historical.

I'll just drop this here again.

Just like hair color varies. So too does skin color, from very dark to very light. Race isn't real. Ethnic family groups are real, but only relevant to anthropology.

The curse of Ham:

[quote] The curse of Ham is described in the Book of Genesis as imposed by the patriarch Noah upon Ham's son Canaan. It occurs in the context of Noah's drunkenness and is provoked by a shameful act perpetrated by Noah's son Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father". The exact nature of Ham's transgression and the reason Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned have been debated for over 2,000 years.

[quote] The story's original purpose may have been to justify the subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites, but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Christians, Muslims and Jews as an explanation for black skin, as well as a justification for slavery of black people. Similarly, the Latter Day Saint movement used the curse of Ham to prevent the ordination of black men to its priesthood.

[quote] Nevertheless, most Christians, Muslims, and Jews now disagree with such interpretations, because in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed, and race or skin color is never mentioned.

And then...

The concept of the curse of Ham finds its origins in Genesis 9:

[quote] 20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

[quote] 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

[quote] 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

[quote] 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

[quote] 24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

[quote] 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

[quote] 26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

[quote] 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. – Genesis 9:20–27, King James Version

The objective of the story may have been to justify the subject status of the Canaanites, the descendants of Ham, to the Israelites, the descendants of Shem. The narrative of the curse is replete with difficulties. It is uncertain what the precise nature of Ham's offense is. Verse 22 has been a subject of debate, as to whether it should be taken literally, or as "a euphemism for some act of gross immorality". In verse 25, Noah refers to Shem and Japheth as the "brethren" of Canaan, whereas in verse 18 they are identified as his uncles. The Table of Nations presents Canaan and Mizraim (Egypt) among the sons of Ham (10:6). In the Psalms, Egypt is equated with Ham.

The treatment of Japheth in verses 26–27 raises questions: Why is YHWH named as the God of Shem, but not of Japheth? What does it mean that God will "enlarge" Japheth? And why will Japheth "dwell in the tents of Shem"? Further difficulties include Ham's being referred to as "the youngest son", when all other lists make him Noah's second son. Biblical scholar Nahum Sarna says that the biggest challenge of the narrative is why Canaan was cursed, rather than Ham, and that the concealed details of the shameful incident bear the same reticence as Reuben's sexual transgression.

The narrative's short five verses indicate that Canaan's Hamite paternity must have had great significance to the narrator or redactor, according to Sarna, who adds, "The curse on Canaan, invoked in response to an act of moral depravity, is the first intimation of the theme of the corruption of the Canaanites, which is given as the justification for their being dispossessed of their land and for the transfer of that land to the descendants of Abraham."

Maybe Europeans needed to be able to tell each other apart and required the diversity to do so, while in other parts of the world it was okay for everyone to look alike and not be able to be distinguish one from another.

Is OP writing from the 18th century?

This board is as obsessed with race as Republicans are with women's wombs and gays.

Shem is the ancestor of white people.

Japheth is the ancestor of orientals.

Ham is the ancestor of black people.

According to the biblical account.

Tina Turner has blonde hair

‘European’ denotes a location, not a race. There is no race called Europeans, whatever white suprematists would like to believe.

Black people aren't all the "same" color. Neither are "Asians".

Such ignorance is typical here.

[quote] Black people aren't all the "same" color. Neither are "Asians".

OP referred only to eye and hair color.

[quote] ‘European’ denotes a location, not a race.

OP used European to indicate people from a location, Europe.

[quote]while in other parts of the world it was okay for everyone to look alike and not be able to be distinguish one from another.

I can distinguish my darker skinned/eyed coworkers from each other. If you can't, perhaps you aren't bothering to make basic observations.

It doesn't matter. They (blacks and asians) have variations in their hair and eye color. Just calling everyone there "brown" is not incredibly accurate. They have a variety of undertones and shadings.

[quote] They (blacks and asians) have variations in their hair and eye color.

I don't think that's true.

They might have variations in facial features, but not in hair and eye color.

Their hair color is black, and eye color is brown. I'm talking 99.99%.

I love when the stupid SJWokester Head-in-the-Sand Revel-in-Ignorance Science Deniers like R26 inject themselves into conversations by trying to shut them down for no reason at all by calling everyone Republicans. I can't believe how fascistic they've become so quickly.

Why does it matter, OP?

R36, not OP, but can we no longer discuss interesting little quirks of human genetics without SJWokester permission?

It has to do with a mutation in a gene that codes for pigmentation that produces recessive/lighter colors.

R38, I think we know that already. I think the question is 'why only Europeans?' You'd think by chance alone, over the time periods we're talking about, there would be populations around the world with different pigmentation in hair and eye color. I wonder if there was just one really odd mutant that came early in European evolution and he or she is the basis for all the variation?

Mitochondrial DNA analysis could show if there's a shared ancient ancestor for all green eyed people? They did some analysis a decade or so ago where they traced the Y chromosome through multiple generations in, I think, Southern Asia, and found that a huge percentage of the population was descended from a single man thousands of years earlier.

It's weird, but this is what Europeans used as the basis for their superiority over other races.

They were made "in God's image," and no one else.

It's pretty fucked up, if you think about it.

What's even "weirder" R40 is that it is also the basis that lighter skinned black and brown people use as the basis of their superiority over others of their own race. That's pretty fucked up, if you think about it.

God's image is everywhere you look.

[quote]I think, Southern Asia, and found that a huge percentage of the population was descended from a single man thousands of years earlier.

If you go back far enough, that's true of us all. Trippy thought, isn't it?

Not really, R43. There are chunks of populations that are like that but there is no single ancestor to all humanity. Mitochondrial Eve, as she's known, is only the representative of the unbroken female lines that exist today. There are descendants of a lot of other lines as well, they are just not unbroken through the female descendants as is required to establish mitochondrial connection.

We’re all descended from Adam and Eve, making us all one human race.

R45 I am from Adam and Steve.

Planet Frank n'furter, a la Magenta.

[quote] We’re all descended from Adam and Eve, making us all one human race.

Was Adam white and Eve black?

Because if they were both white, then how did we get all the other races?

Dumbass.

Although I have blond hair and blue eyes, I don’t think others see it as a sign of superiority.

[quote] Was Adam white and Eve black? Because if they were both white, then how did we get all the other races?

We don’t know what color they were. Genetic mutation is not unusual.

I know quite a few Jewish people who have red hair. Maybe someone can explain it?

My partner was considered "Black Irish". He had fair skin but dark, dark brown hair; and 100% of his ancestry is Irish.

Allegedly the Moors explored Ireland while they conquered Spain. They left their imprint.

[quote] Allegedly the Moors explored Ireland while they conquered Spain. They left their imprint.

It was the Moops.

The hairiest people in Europe are those living in the Mediterranean regions. Northern Europeans are the least hairy. If hair is considered to keep people warm, then why aren't these regions the opposite of what they are?

Also there’s a there are African people with the natural mutation of blue eyes. I was very surprised when I saw them. It’s a genetic mutation to have blue eyes, but it’s naturally occurring. It wasn’t predicted on environmental factors.

Babycakes, r35, keep living.

Also there’s a there are African people with the natural mutation of blue eyes. I was very surprised when I saw them. It’s a genetic mutation to have blue eyes, but it’s naturally occurring.

Are you learning impaired?

It's not a "genetic mutation."

It's thousands of years of migration.

Romans and other Europeans have been traveling throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa for thousands of years.

We're talking Carthage, and Egypt, and the Eastern Mediterranean.

So it's not some "random event" that these people have light eyes. It's because white Europeans inter-mingled with these darker peoples, and produced offspring with lighter features.

It's not an "anomaly" or "naturally occurring." It's the result of traveling and migration.

This was not the case for native Europeans, however, whose features are indeed naturally occurring.

Please pay attention!!!!

[quote]The Table of Nations presents Canaan and Mizraim (Egypt) among the sons of Ham (10:6). In the Psalms, Egypt is equated with Ham.

So by this logic, it's actually the children of Shem who become slaves of the children of Ham. If you believe the Bible. Or it's just old Yahweh, bringing out his big bag of bullshit again.

[quote] Because if they were both white, then how did we get all the other races?

See R21

[quote] Tina Turner has blonde hair

Of course she does, she's Swiss after all.

Genetics. You can look it up if you don't believe me. Also hair dye and contacts.

R57, a simple google search and you too can be informed. It’s a genetic mutation to have blue eyes; all Caucasian people with blue eyes can be tracked back to the one gay with that mutation. It was inherited by subsequent gene bearers.

[quote] a simple google search and you too can be informed. It’s a genetic mutation to have blue eyes; all Caucasian people with blue eyes can be tracked back to the one gay with that mutation

What in the ever loving FUCK are you talking about?

[quote] the one gay with that mutation

How do they know he was gay?

R54, it wasn't the need to stay warm that made them retain their hair. African animals almost all are covered in hair. Those in the most northern climate regions developed clothing to stay warm. The reason they have less hair is because they need more skin exposed to make Vitamin D in very minimum sunlight.

Zzzzzzzzz

Who cares.

I only care about size.

I know someone (they were crazy) who claimed that people with green eyes are aliens or alien hybrids which is why Ireland is such a magical place and located close to Atlantis.

R67 - well, that's the most likely explanation I've read on this thread today.

R62 So you are suggesting that if I go with other blue eyed guys it would be incest.

[quote]all Caucasian people with blue eyes can be tracked back to the one gay with that mutation

I inherited his gay gene also.

[quote]Allegedly the Moors explored Ireland while they conquered Spain. They left their imprint.

i thought it was shipwrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada

I thought black Irish myths are just that.

Also, that many British Islanders have essentially a relation to Iberia and the La Tene culture.

England supposedly still has a dividing line down it from one side having Vikings and the other the previous waves of people into those islands.

I heard a group of drunk Irish sluts knocked boots with a horde of Spanish sailors.

[quote] I heard a group of drunk Irish sluts knocked boots with a horde of Spanish sailors.

And that's still happening today!

Such is how ethnicities are made.

If the premise is accurate, likely a product of genetic mutation and a general lack of migration.

Does anyone know if Odin figures into this?

[quote] These physical variances in hair and eye color ONLY appear in Europeans, and no other races

Not true. Plenty of people in China have red hair, some are blonde, blue eyed. Their DNA doesn’t show any European heritage. Same with Central Asia - the stans have blue eyed blonds & redheads.

Let's not forget that Pepa Madrigal had red hair and she's Colombian.

Is this place just purely devoted to race talk now? Wtf.

Chinese girls

There was an epiode of a show called Secrets of the Dead a couple of years ago where they traced the lineage of blonde Mongolians to a Euroasian warrior woman whose grave they uncovered somewhere in Southern or Western Russia. The eye and hair color thing is almost 100% European even when it shows up in the far reaches of the world. Remember, Europeans spent centuries conquering and creating empires all over the world.

Exactly, R82.

Chance mutations of hair color and eye color can arise anywhere on the planet. But mutations that remain and get passed along have to be favorable to survival. (Survival of the fittest to use Darwin's phrase). If someone is born with 3 legs, that might be interesting but it will not help that person survive. Long ago, blue eye mutations that arose in far northern, low light environments helped with survival. Blue eyed people can see better in the dark and in low light than people with brown eyes, hence this was something useful for hunting and escape from predators in those environments. Blond hair is probably neutral as regards survival. It probably survived because of sexual selection - meaning that in some regions people regarded it as a mark of the gods or a sign of heavenly favor, thus mating with blond people became a way of inviting the favor of the heavens. By the way, brown hair exists among the Japanese - 20% of Japanese have brown to dare brown hair. I'm sure that the situation is similar in northern China and in Korea . However, brown hair is often regarded with suspicion, and school girls in Japan with brown hair are often punished, because of the assumption they are dying it brown.

Sounds a bit far-fetched to me R82. I don't doubt some blonde lineages are descended from Europeans, but ALL of them? There's no way to know that for certain.

A more parsimonious explanation is what R84 suggested.

R49 u r ridiculous

I love the black Irish too, I fell for one once: hair black as ebony, but snow white skin.

I like the blondish Italians and Spaniards too. Blonde with blue eyes, but the skin of a bronzer tone. Like Eusebio Poncela.

"Let's not forget that Pepa Madrigal had red hair and she's Colombian."

You never heard that Latin America was occupied by the Spanish.

Italiano biondo

And another blonde Italian. Like it.

And that was his daddy, Daniele Liotti.

The light haired Italians an Spaniard deserve their own thread.

They're blessed or cursed? Nobody can say for certain why. It's all just differing degrees of speculation. There may be several reasons. Who can say for sure? It likely has something to do with natural selection and varying environments/climates.

Australian Aboriginals and Melanesians seem to have a mutation for blonde hair in childhood, so it may have come from their Denisovan ancestry or perhaps it was beneficial for finding toddlers who'd wandered off.

The phrase goes back a bit further. Apologies for the horrible ads.

Who you talking to, R95? Where was that phrase used on here?

Neanderthals and mutations in DNA, over time. Spencer wells and others have great shows on this.

If you're black and don't have brown eyes, you must have a white ancestor somewhere in the not too distant past. That's why many black people have light skin as well, because they aren't 100% black.

Or you have waardenburg syndrome, r98. A lot of dark skinned people with waardenburg show up online because their eyes are usually quite shockingly blue.

Light eyes and hair are blessing from god. Enjoy your gifts. You have built the modern world.

I know black people with different colored eyes than brown. They still have black hair, though.

R101 Because you call them black, but they are mixed race in fact.

R102 So if black people have any eye color other than brown than they are automatically mixed rather than black? I don't know that I believe that.

Blue eyes and light hair are very common among Northern Italians

Rihanna has hazel eyes and I'm pretty sure both of her parents are black.

R105 American blacks are mixed. Some inherit a white brain and become doctors etc

R106 So there are few to no truly black people in The United States?

How did the Klan and Bible freaks in this thread even find DL?

To the “black Irish” issue - all my ancestry comes from Ireland, but 23 and Me says I share a lot of genetic ancestry in common with people from Iberia and the Sami people. Someone definitely shipwrecked or wandered from somewhere.

I don't know r108. And it is perfectly possible to have a discussion about race (starting with the realization that the whole thing is completely made up, really) without being racist. But for so many stupid cunts that is just not possible. And while I'd like to think it's all straight invaders who think like that, I think we all know that there are sadly some gay people who are those dumb cunts as well.

So my question for R106 is, if white people have brown eyes then do they have some kind of black, Asian, etc., ancestor?

R103 R105 You didn't learn a lot about genetics in school, did you. You can have both "black" parents and be a mixture of races, if your parents were mixed, too. African Americans are mixed, unlike African people, that is why their facial features are rather different, too. You can see a wide variety of skin tones in African Americans, too.

Unfortunately, because of sexual exploitation during the slavery, African Americans are mixed with Americans of European ancestry.

Are there African Americans with 100% African heritage, possibly there are, but studies show that majority have some European ancestry.

R111 As the OP have stated, unlike black, Asian etc. who have brown eyes and brown/black hair, "whites", of European ancestry have a variety of hair/eyes color. But majority still have brown hair and brown eyes, without any black/Asian ancestors.

No one seems to have mentioned the obvious, so maybe I’m just an idiot, but - most people of any race have darker skin, eyes, and hair because those tend to be dominant traits, while light skin, eyes, and hair tend to be recessive, and thus rarer.

We learned in beauty school that people are not white...or black...or red...or yellow. But that their hair *can* be.

R115 Is that you?

I don’t know the exact details but it all has to do with the environment where people ended up. Life started in Africa but as people migrated to different corners of the world their features changed based on their specific environment. And we’re not talking a few years. We’re talking hundreds of thousands of years at least.

The funny thing about African Americans who take such pride in their black masculinity is that their Y chromosome which defines them as male is so frequently inherited from their white European ancestors. I wonder, since there is so much antagonism and resentment to whites, how do they accept that part of themselves. And the fact that they are descendant of slaves, but slave owners too. I mean these guys are in their blood too. I know it must be confusing.

Should be a topic for a thread.

This thread is somehow alerting me to updates and there is no eye button to remove it from my watch list.

Remember the one-drop rule? In the slave trade and in segregation, if you had just one African great-great-great-great-great grandparent, and the other 127 were white, you were still a black person in the eyes of society at that time.

Uhhhh

[quote] The funny thing about African Americans who take such pride in their black masculinity is that their Y chromosome which defines them as male is so frequently inherited from their white European ancestors.

Take your meds and maybe try biology class again, Klan Granny.

R121, actually he is right about the Y chromosomes. Those can only come from the father and since the vast, vast majority of American blacks have a white male ancestor who raped some ancestor of theirs, their Y chromosome is from their white male ancestor.

Actually, he’s not. Let’s say John Doe is a 40 year old black man whose great-great-great-great grandfather was a white slaveowner. That ancestor may have contributed either a Y chromosome or an X chromosome to his child: because his child could have been one of John Doe’s great-great-great grandmothers, not necessarily a male ancestor.

R123, almost all black men in America have white male ancestors within the last three to four generations. All black men have a Y chromosome that came from their male ancestor. Since almost all black men who aren't new immigrants have recent white male ancestors, that is where their Y chromosome came from.

R120, that's why I identify as an American Descendant of Slaves, even though I have blonde hair, white freckled skin, and one blue eye and one slightly bluish-green eye.

I want my reparations.

No, you are getting confused. Within three or four generations, a given man has 4 or 8 different male ancestors. One of those grandfathers - the father of the father of the father of the child - passed the Y chromosome down. But the other 7 grandfathers did not; they passed down either an X chromosome, or a Y chromosome that then didn’t travel one generation beyond, or didn’t travel two generations beyond.

You guys are getting way off topic.

What you're discussing are the after-effects of migration and inter-breeding.

The original question is WHY white Europeans are the only people on the planet who naturally exhibit a range of hair and eye colors, when that is not true of the original inhabitants of Africa, Asia, Australia, North America, and South America.

Europeans are the ONLY ones.

It's bizarre.

And if you believe in religion or a higher power, then why would that higher power design things this way?

R126, the part you aren't getting is that all 4 to 8 of those male ancestors had white male ancestors, too. That's where their Y chromosomes came from. Like I said, there are almost no black men in America, except recent immigrants, who do not have a recent white male ancestor who passed on their Y chromosome.

R127, discussions evolve.

[quote] the part you aren't getting is that all 4 to 8 of those male ancestors had white male ancestors, too

Citation needed, Klan trash.

R14 gave a very thorough answer to your question, R127.

Everyone gets that there is no actual races right? You all get that? That this is all invented in the 18th century, right? That there are no actual black and white people, and yellow and red people? Nobody is the kind of moron that thinks this is all science, do they?

I'm sure glad Massa raped my great-grandma!

Fuck you, R129. Go read some genealogy, history, and biology books, you idiot. Stating facts isn't racist. People like you are what is wrong with this world. Reality exists. You might want to try it out some time.

And, since you are so fucking stupid, I'll actually provide you with the proof you asked for since you probably can't spell well enough to google it yourself.

^ nothing in that piece supports your (wrong and crazy) claim that all black men’s Y chromosomes come from white ancestors; in fact, the piece states that “for most African Americans, the majority of their DNA comes from African ancestors… African Americans living in Southern states have more African DNA (83 percent) than those living in other areas of the country (80 percent).”

Take your junk science back to Stormfront

It's all junk science r134. There is no actual science of race. It's all been bullshit for hundreds of years.

Like I said, R134, you're an idiot. Read it again. Slowly.

R135, what do you think black people would say if you lectured them about race not existing? It's not biologically relevant but it is certainly socially relevant.

they would, if they choose to be right about it, they would say that yes, there is no actual science of race, it is irrelevant as science, but because of history and perception there is a whole lot of nonsense involved, and we all have to deal with that nonsense, r136.

by the way, are you one of those cunts who is terribly concerned about race and what is says about everyone r136?

Mommy.

yup, black mommy or white mommy, it is all so terribly important, although it very much isn't.

[quote]It's all junk science [R134]. There is no actual science of race. It's all been bullshit for hundreds of years.

Oh, thank god.

yup, white skin doesn't make you awesome r141. Sorry for your loss.

I'm Black, r142...

cool, r143

While it's true that most African Americans have some percentage of their DNA from European Americans, the Y chromosome thing is not correct, as someone has tried to explain. Most living AA people are 5-6 generations out from the civil war. The only way that a Y chromosome would be retained is if a there was an unbroken MALE line from the civil war until the current time, but many families have only female children, or the "white" part of the DNA would be carried by females. Yes, probably many black males carry a European Y chromosome, but certainly not all.

Many of us watch Finding Your Roots with Louis Gates, and when he has black guests, there is almost always an uncomfortable "reveal" where he tracks their ancestors back to a particular plantation, and has to inform them that there's evidence that the plantation owner or some employee on it, fathered children with one of his ancestors. There is the confirmation that their ancestors were bought and sold as property and thought of as property, and then there is the unwelcome news that part of their DNA is from the group of people who enslaved and brutalized their ancestors. There are often tears at that point in the show, even though most black people in the US know intellectually that this information is true. But I suppose it's easy to put it in the back of your mind until confronted with it on paper.

Truth be told, there are a lot of "white" people with recent African DNA as well, since after the civil war, and even until now, a certain percentage of so-called black people could easily pass for white and have slipped into American white society, where they have married and have had children. In parts of the south, 10% of people who believe that they are white have some percentage of African DNA, and broadly speaking across the entire south, 5% of people who believe that they are white have some percentage of African DNA. In the North and Midwest, where many European immigrants arrived long after the civil war, the percentage of white people with some amount of African DNA is much lower. It's easy to imagine that in 1870, someone who looked like Wentworth Miller would choose to slip into white society rather than put himself in a position of being oppressed for the remainder of his life. Same with a woman who looked like Rashida Jones or Soledad O'Brien. Now multiracial people present themselves that way and generally are well-accepted except by the most bigoted, who show their faces on DL by hating on Meghan Markle. Among all multiracial people, blond hair and blue eyes are certainly possible.

White people are the actual "colored" people. Considering hair is to protect your head and skin is to protect you from the elements, there are no natural advantages to White skin and stringy hair. It is actually less advantageous. There are only man-made advantages.

Race is not everything. Putin has white skin and can pass as white. Jews can pass as white. It's not enough to be white.

R134 "the majority of their DNA comes from African ancestor"

Yes, but the male line, which is Y, comes very often from white men on the plantations. Until recently, with interracial relationships and biracial children, there were no white women in African American ancestry. Maternal DNA is almost always African. But there were a lot of white men (even on the south one fifth of inheritance of average African American is white. The light skinned people have much more then 20% European ancestry.

So, with the fact that this one fifth is exclusively male it is very common it would be Y chromosome.

Unfortunate fact that we all know that males are beasts and the sexual abuse of female slaves was common.

But, the fact is, that those ancestors became the part of you, in your DNA, they define who you are, you can not shake them away.

R147 Since you are mentioning Putin, it is obvious that he has Asian inheritance. Russian men were marrying Asian women (the opposite was not allowed, a Russian woman could not marry an Asian), so Russians would have the Asian inheritance on X chromosome.

I mean there were no white women directly, they were through their sons who fathered the children of black women.

Some of the most genetic diversity in humans today exist in sub Saharan Africans, who don't have any DNA contributions from either Homo Neanderthals, Homo Cro Magnon or Homo Denisova.

Seems that Africans have the Neanderthal genes, too.

From genetic studies:

"The average African-American genome, for example, is nearly a quarter European"

"In all three populations, they found the same signal: European ancestors tended to be male, while African and Native American ancestors tended to be female. "

Myths of the Old Testament are pretty unparalleled in assholery, right?

r152 Eh, it was always known that Eurasians obviously brought Neanderthal DNA back to Africa. The most pure blooded/isolated sub Sharan Africans just avoided it the most.

[quote] Myths of the Old Testament are pretty unparalleled in assholery, right?

To what are you referring, exactly?

R149 Putin does look different but it's not obvious that he has Asian features. He has small eyes and odd ugly face.

[quote] it's not obvious that he has Asian features. He has small eyes and odd ugly face.

I'd say that the two go hand in hand.

So yeah, it is obvious.

R128 Almost no black men in America? I hope you realize race is based on phenotype. Clearly you must not know the difference between race and ethnicity. If you look black, you are. Black is black no matter where their ancestors may come from.

R159 Many of US black people are rather light skinned

And their facial features are influenced by European ancestry.

Nothing wrong with that, those people can be really pretty.

Did the "Three Race Theory" come from the three sons of Noah?

Shem, Ham, and Japheth?

And if so, how did Noah end up with three sons who looked completely different?

It's weird because supposedly the only humans who survived the flood were Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives. Eight people.

So supposedly, the entire human race is descended from these eight people. There must have been quite a variety in those eight people, if humans ended up looking the way that we look today.

To be honest, to me African Americans are much prettier than Africans.

R160 So? Light black or dark black are both still black.

R165 Culturally black, but in fact mixed race. Capisc?

R166 In the big melting pot called America you could logically say everyone is mixed race. Black, white, and everything in between.

It is very easy to tell most black Americans from black Africans and that is because of European DNA. Its like the weirdest thing this country won't talk about or pretends doesn't exist. Black Americans tan and there is variation in eye and hair color.

[quote] Black Americans tan and there is variation in eye and hair color.

Over 250 years of race mixing. DUH.

Try over 400 years, at least over here.

R168 It's because it doesn't make a difference. Whether light black or dark, black is still black. A little bit of European DNA doesn't cancel out their blackness in any way. They still have more black DNA than white and you can tell by looking at them. That's what makes them black.

R167 Some whites are mixed race, most are mixed nations of Caucasian race, but black Americans are almost all mixed race.

R171 A quarter in average black person and much more in light skinned is not some. It is pretty much, particularly on male ancestors side.

R173 A quarter white still equals 75% black. 75% is majority. How much black DNA do you need to be a "true" black person?

I see you have problems accepting that your ancestry on male side comes from the white men on plantations.

I mean, these guys are in you, part of you, like it or not.

R175 I don't have a problem with anything except the idea that "there are no black people in America."

R177 You are female, so you don't understand the strenght of paternal inheritance in males.

So getting back on topic - why are whites the only people with variations in hair and eye color?

the reason is that people moved to Europe during the Ice age 50 or 60 thousand years ago and Europeans evolved into light skin and light eyes and hair because we needed extra vitamin D. There wasn't much sun during that ice age. The lighter pigments allowed more vitamin D absorption.

[quote] So getting back on topic - why are whites the only people with variations in hair and eye color?

Because God said so.

The end.

Why do Orientals have eyes that are all slitty?

Fernando Torres was a pretty blond Spaniard too.

The black Irish are related to the Celtics of the Basque region I think. Easy boat ride between western France and Southern Ireland. I’m from the very North and everyone is very white, blue eyed with lots of red hair - presumably Viking influenced. They also traced something like 25% of ancestry back to one old King - ODonnell I think. Lots of interbreeding I assume - which maybe why we’re all crazy.

[quote][R173] A quarter white still equals 75% black. 75% is majority. How much black DNA do you need to be a "true" black person?

This much...

Why do french people have such dark eyes and hair? I thought all Europeans had evolved fairer features along with higher intelligence. It seems that us fair haired people are very rare and maybe should make more effort to preserve our genetics. The Russian population seems to have mixed with Asians and are a write-off. Where will all the inventions come from if our genes are diluted?

[quote]I thought all Europeans had evolved fairer features along with higher intelligence.

You're evidence of the contrary.

R187 people like u should be dropped in Africa.

Lol @ "like u." Where is that higher intelligence you were speaking of?

r7 you mean Europeans fucked them. European raped Indigenous and Africans who were slaves. Along with Asian Colonials. Get that right.

R189 intelligence is normally distributed around the mean of a population. Not every single person has the same iq in a race. The dumbest white janitor is not smarter than the smartest black person in the world. Even when it comes to beauty, it is possible that a black person could be more attractive than a very ugly white person ie burn victim.

R185 You are macchiato.

Even though you mainly see light-eyed and light-haired people on film and television, it's strange that they actually make up the minority of people on the planet.

Weird, huh?

It's still a mystery, R182

I agree, r191. However, that wasn't the point of my reply.

R195 thanx for playing

White people are only about 8,000 years old. Everyone’s European ancestors were brown.

And LOL @ Europeans having higher intelligence. Europeans were disgusting, that’s why the Black Plague wiped out almost half of them. They were living in filth and sleeping with their animals and shit.

White people have a horrible history with hygiene. There’s an out of print book called “Dirt” which is mind blowing. I specifically remember a story of a village having a drunken orgy at an open casket wake in a woman’s home and they all got sick and died from the exposure to the dead body’s diseases.

The Black Plague happened throughout Asia too, and wiped out a lot of them. It wasn't just Europe. In fact, it started in China.

R199 Yea, the plague was brought to Europe by Venetisn ships coming from China.

But anti white racists will say the most disgusting shit, while forgetting his own great grandpa was white foreman on plantation.

R197 the spark that created super humans in northern Europe occurred in the time it takes a uv ray to alter a gene. The world changed at that point. Very racist to compare us to archaic beings.