Does this tweet perfectly sum up the decline in the Oscars relevance to average people?

[quote] how brave they all are for doing hard things like memorizing lines for millions of dollars.

I suppose she does kinda have a valid point on that. Some don’t even have to memorize. They have ear pieces that give the lines.

NEXT TIME, post the damned tweet in your message. TWITTER FEEDS EVOLVE, nimrod.

What was the tweet, for crissakes?

I love the Oscar's. The history, the spectacle and the occasional surprise. I am a bit sick of people against them tbh. Don't watch it.

I kind of agree. *whispers* he general public usually doesn't like Oscar nominated films. *shhhh*

I don't think that perfectly sums it up because that was the opinion off the non-Oscar audience before the decline. Granted it may be part of it, but no, I don't think it "perfectly" sums up the decline.

r5 Fair enough. To what do you attribute the decline?

r4 I think if you go back to say the 1980s a lot of Oscar nominated films were also liked and popular with the general public but that has slowly changed.

The whole thing being a fake popularity game among a circle of connected individuals?

r8 Was it always that way do you think?

The pushback for wanting to watch these people parade their riches around reminds me a lot of the backlash against art deco and the gilded age during the Great Depression. I do think many working-class people no longer find escapism in watching how the wealthy elite live. They know it's not aspirational for them and just rubbing in what the very rich have that they never will.

r10 Good post.

1. More options for viewing at any time - TV, streaming, internet, phones in general (texting) - even if not watching anything.

2. Shortened attention spans due to social media and the internet and how we interact in general. Less people willing to sit and watch for 3 hours. Many that do "watch" do so by watching individual clips of the show via social media, not sitting down and watching the broadcast. They then comment and react to the clips.

3. Broader and more niche movie making - at least the films that get Oscar noms. The number of people who know and care about a particular film and its actors, or who have even seen the movie, can be relatively small a lot of the time. If four Marvel movies and its actors were nominated every year, it might get a bump from familiarity.

Again, it's not that the elite nature doesn't play any role, or endless "stunning and brave" speeches don't play a role, but I don't think it's the whole story. "Elite snobs fawning over each other" and expensive clothes and jewelry were always a part of the Oscars and the at-home audience never seemed to mind. So at least on that point the "average person" changed in some way.

She's an antivax closet right-wing Brooklyn spawn machine, OP. I don't care what that cunt flap tweets.

r12 Could you see the Oscars no longer being televised in a decade or so?

R3, that’s the thing. The producer of this year’s show is bragging that he’s doing away with tradition. It’s been getting further and further away from what it was, and it seems like this guy is just cutting the last few threads. Everyone else can if they want; I don’t want to watch this guy finish it off.

For this year that tweet definitely sums up the Oscars. Two years of constant death and now WWIII kind of kills your interest in rich movie stars or their boring ass movies.

Remember when some genius came up with the idea for “Mani-Cam” on the red carpet? There was a camera in a box and actresses could put their hands in the box so viewers could see their manicures up close?

Elisabeth Moss stuck her hand in it and then flipped the bird. That’s when I fell in love with that crazy bitch.

"[R12] Could you see the Oscars no longer being televised in a decade or so?"

Possibly, but I wouldn't think so. I guess I can see it no longer being on a network. But, I'd still think it would be televised somewhere, available for live streaming somewhere.

They won't last a decade.

And yes, it may have always been a game among connected insiders from the beginning, but when Gone With the Wind won, at least almost every filmgoer of the time had SEEN the movie, even if they couldn't watch them receive the awards. That was true down into the 80s or so, I believe.

Here’s a still. It was 2014.

That seems like a goddamn lifetime ago. There will never be a fun moment like that again at the Oscars. It is now a SERIOUS occasion, full of scolding and political speechifying and virtue signaling.

I'm tired of hearing complaints about the Oscars from people who have no intention of ever watching the show, and any person who whines about Hollywood elites is never going to part of the viewing demographic.

I have never watched the NBA finals, and probably never will. It would be utterly presumptuous for me to offer an opinion on it, and if I did, it would be quite rightfully ignored (and you could make the same reductive argument about self-congratulatory multimillionaires regarding nearly every televised sporting event as well).

But the Oscars is somehow the one event where the opinions of people who don't like it and won't watch it are considered more valid than those who do. It's that sense of self-loathing that's killing the Oscars, with constant apologies for what the show is and always has been.

If Moss is such irreverent fun why is she in a deadly serious cult renown for criminality and bullying?

The whole thing is pompously self important and narcissistic by nature. The films and performances are treated as the apex of all human culture when, in fact, it’s just an industry churning out product to get bums on seats. Given all that’s happening in the world, that shit just doesn’t seem at all relevant anymore. Plus, film stars are kinda rubbish these days. Thanks to social media everyone is overexposed (and so many revealed as thoroughly witless and uninteresting) the mystique of ages past is long gone.

r21 so ex viewers who have switched off and hence lowered the viewing figures were never part of the dynamic or target audience?That makes no sense. I and many others used to enjoy watching the Oscars and have become disenchanted and switched off. It's too easy to put us all in the same bracket as people who were always opposed or disinterested in the Oscars. I think the Oscars has changed and isn't what it always was.

I thought Elisabeth Moss flipping the creepy ManiCam was funny until it was revealed it had something to do with some weird Scieno shit:

That mani-cam was to take up space since the hosts weren’t allowed to ask “who are you wearing?”.

It's not so much that it's irrelevant or decadent ( everyone can use some escapism). It's that the Oscars are frequently very boring. The most memorable Oscar moment in the last decade was Fayes botching of the best picture award. Great unintentional comedy!

I watched for the fabulous clothes and jewels. I never really cared about the films. I used to watch Miss USA for the same reason.

When I was in my 20s, we would have Oscar watch parties, and it was highly anticipated and loads of fun.

Now I doubt anyone in their 20s would have an Oscar party. No one cares that much anymore. And the youngs have so many media options besides movies.

There was glamour, big stars and gossip. Now, we know everything about the "stars" and there is no glamour or mystery.

I haven't seen a new movie in two years and have no idea what any of it is about. I've just been trying to stay alive, so pardon me if I miss the show of entitlement and reckless snobbery.

I think the problem with the Oscars is the decline of the overall quality of movies over the last two decades. And then the “Oscar worthy”-type movies are just Hollywood pushing their social justice causes. No one’s lining up and waiting in anticipation for the summer movies.

What r28 said.

I lived for, and loved, the DL threads on what the stars were wearing on the Rec Carpet and laughing at the running commentary during the actual hand-out of the Oscars.

Red Carpet

r29 Celebrity mystique certainly seems increasingly rare these days.

The red carpet died when Joan Rivers died...and then the Academy never even acknowledged her death during the In Memorium segment.

Now the unwatchable Laverne Cox hosts the red coverage.

I think social media was a big part of the decline. Many of the actors weren't really seen the rest of the year, so the AA were a chance to see them glammed up. Now practically everyone is tweeting/Instagraming. their every move.

Also, stylists and borrowed jewels. Too cookie cuter looks. Give me someone in their own jewelry and dress.

The last time I watched the oscars I was a child in the 80's.

There’s a movement against the wealthy and they are doing everything in their power to avoid the attention. Notice how quickly any disparaging stories are quickly squelched? When’s the last time NYTimes wrote an expose about a wealthy family?

There will be a nationwide shift in attitude and a tipping point that will happen soon but something sudden will cause it. Imagine if no one paid their rent for the next six months- it would be absolutely catastrophic for real estate.

The only thing the US manufactures anymore is housing, the only services that can’t be completely outsourced are related to housing . If something got in the way of that it would completely devastate the ecomomy.

They have become niche.

They should continue until the 100th Anniversary and then call it a day.

I always loved award season leading up to the Oscars and then the night itself, then the reviews the next day of everyone's dresses and jewelry and of the host and the speeches and the writing and broadcast itself. Something's changed and I miss it all.

" In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes"

With so many Social Media influencers out there Hollywood has lost a lot of it's cache. Perhaps there should be a new awards show for those who have the most Twitter followers. I bet more people would watch

The thing about the Oscars that i found fun was the idea that wherever the camera was there was someone famous. It was seeing all of Hollywood all at once - Jack Nicholson next to Helen Mirren next to Julianne Moore next to whoever.

For some reason that seems not to exist anymore.

Everyone is too busy posting shitty videos to TikTok and endlessly scrolling IG to have time to sit through a lengthy telecast such as the Oscars. Please.

" Jack Nicholson next to Helen Mirren next to Julianne Moore next to whoever. "

A Twitter awards show could have Candace Owens sitting next to Anonymous sitting next to Donald Trump... Man, I'd watch that 😜

I read an article a few days ago where the 2022 Ocsar telecast's ad space not only sold out immediately, a 30-sec spot went for between 1.6 and 2.2 million. Easily record highs. And the Oscars already have a 100+ million a year contract thru 2028, regardless of ratings and ad revenue earned by ABC. The article's author seemed as befuddled as we all likely are at these facts.

Too many other film awards leading up to the Oscars, and other than a surprise now and again, here and there, it’s pretty predictable who will win most of the awards.

[quote]The producer of this year’s show is bragging that he’s doing away with tradition. It’s been getting further and further away from what it was

As I wrote on another, previous thread, the Academy's biggest mistake was embracing woke-ism in recent years, because institutions like the Oscars rely too much on tradition, and the far-left is all about being nontraditional. Thus, ultra-liberalism will be fatal to the Oscars. But the people want tradition. Them deliberately not doing that is just another case of Hollywood being out of touch with the general public. They've gone too far-left, they reside in an echo chamber without rebuttal.

[quote] "$20,000 dresses"

MAYBE on the low end. The celeb attendants clearly aren't the only ones who are out of touch. Does she know ANYTHING about the event?

R38 " when was the last time the nyt wrote an expose about a wealthy family?". Well, they frequently bitch and moan about the Clinton family but other than that.....I've noticed a trend over the last decade where mainstream outlets like NYT and other supposedly respectable sources will write fawning and humanizing articles over the most grotesque wealthy people. No matter how awful the rich person is, they will find some cute little detail to gush over. But the minute their subject is poor or middle class or unconnected, the claws come out and they will rip them to shreds. There's no nuance like they portray with the 1 percent. It's become the polar opposite of comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

[quote] Hollywood has lost a lot of it's cache.

Oh, oh, dear.

[quote]Now the unwatchable Laverne Cox hosts the red coverage

What's the story you're telling? UGH

OP sounds like a Republican. They whine about the "Hollywood elite" while voting for guys who were born filthy rich

[quote]It is now a SERIOUS occasion, full of scolding and political speechifying and virtue signaling.

Are you really unaware of all the serious political speeches actors gave DECADES ago at the Oscars? This isn't new. Trying to frame it as "well now we have virtue signalling which has ruined everything" just tells me you're a troll who is lying about the past because it suits your agenda.

@r50, "Oh, oh, dear. "

Mary!

No wonder you're unfuckable

R54: no wonder you work retail; butthurt for being shown up as an illiterate.

R53, the political speeches were few and far between. Now they’re practically required, and they’re one after another.

We have Twitter now; there’s no need for actors to make desperate plea to the millions watching because it’s the only time they’ll get an audience that large. They can preach to the choir 24/7 now.

@r55, the word may be wrong, but he's right about you being unfuckable

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R66, please point out to me the parade of endless political speeches, because that isn't based in fact.

Last year, Frances McDormand quoted Macbeth. Youn Yuh-jung complimented Glenn Close. Daniel Kaluuya mentioned the Black Panthers because that's what his movie was about, and made a vague plea for unity. That's not exactly a political diatribe.

The year before, Joaquin Phoenix made some cringy remarks about animal cruelty, but that's Joaquin being himself, which is a deeply weird guy. And Brad Pitt cracked a quick joke about John Bolton, who was in the news, but that was it. Renee Zellweger paid tribute to Judy Garland, and Laura Dern thanked her parents. Not a political moment in either speech.

The year before that, Spike Lee gave a very political speech, but it's Spike Lee! Of course he did. Meanwhile, Rami Malek, Olivia Colman, Mahershala Ali and Regina King all went without even mentioning politics.

I'm sure there were a number of documentary winners who referred to whatever issue their film was about, but that makes sense and is undoubtedly consistent with decades worth of winners. Meanwhile, I doubt you'll find very much political among the many technical winners. Cinematographers and Editors always just thank their director and crew.

The idea that the Oscars have become far more political now, as if every speech is a paean to trans sex workers of color, is not true, except in some people's imaginations.

R59, okay you’re right. Perhaps it’s not as bad as I’m making it out to be.

Still, it feels like a dreary drag. Someone else mentioned Oscar parties; we used to have one every year. It was a lot of fun, with ballots and a booby prize, etc. It was like the Super Bowl or the premiere of a Sharknado movie.

The strident and revolutionary tone has dovetailed with a few other factors (moviegoing taking a nosedive due to streaming and crazy ticket prices and Covid); the result is that I don’t want to watch. The only person I know who will be watching is my middle-aged SIL who likes to keep up with young people.

Sorry to be a humbug.

R60, I do agree that the show feels like a drag, but I think that has to do with both what the Oscars have rewarded and what the producers have done to the show. They haven't rewarded a big hit in almost a decade (Argo), and the producers keep taking out the enjoyable parts of the show, like having a host and the musical performances.

Some things are out of the producer's control (there isn't a "Shallow" or a "Skyfall" to perform every year, and sometimes they're going to go for Nomadland), but there are still ways to make the show fun. The producers treat the Oscars like they're a chore to watch, so no wonder ratings have declined.

Yes, of course. I loathe the contemporary Oscars, but my opinions don't rely on Brooklyn mothers' "commentators" who use the phrase "I rather watch cspan."

R57, the spindly zit-faced one behind the actual bully, nodding his head, "Yeah!"

Ineptitude, illiteracy and pathetic attempts to troll; that's all ya got, cunt crumb.

^ You mad? 😂

Correction; R57 is a psychotic retail illiterate fuckwad typing about himself to boost his sociopathic need for approval from complete strangers. So sad.

Cache? Cash? Cachet?

^ Ooh, you are mad... and a little creepy 😬

I think Titanic was the last movie to win Best Picture that was a popular crowd pleaser.

"Brooklyn Mom Sorta Kinda" why should I pay the slightest attention to someone so confused, why do you OP?

I still watch it like I watch the Miss Universe Beauty pageant every year. It’s a gay tradition for me

Didn't one of the LoTR movies win?

I don't understand the point of acting or why anyone truly wants to be an actor as a career. It's a job that contributes very little to society. You just entertain. Do people really [bold]need[/bold] entertainment? Are you really helping anyone in a profound way by acting or are you just helping yourself be seen? It seems like the personality type that is mainly drawn to that field is a horrible combination of narcissistic, depressive, with a dash of bipolar. So, why make a spectacle out of "their accomplishments?" What accomplishments? What are they doing that is so special?

And I say this as someone who's, technically, a musician, and minored in music performance. I participated in a lot of musical theatre in college and never understood the students who were so "passionate" about acting. Music, and the musicians, I could understand, but the actors? No. I minored because "someone" absolutely "was not about to waste money on a music degree...because, what job are you going to qualify for, really?" -_-

[quote] Shortened attention spans due to social media and the internet and how we interact in general. Less people willing to sit and watch for 3 hours.

Wrong. People sit and binge watch 10 hours of an entire season of shows.

No one wants to sit and watch a bunch of dropouts get on stage and hop on a soapbox and discuss politics. Ricky Gervais summed these people up perfectly.

The actors Hollywood has today all look like 12 year olds playing dress up. They’re valid and boring. It’s like watching a child’s pageant.

[quote] They haven't rewarded a big hit in almost a decade (Argo)

Green Book made $321 million worldwide.

[quote] Didn't one of the LoTR movies win?

Yes, Return of the King.

The Dune sequel will probably win in a few years.

R71, please do tell us about the time you cured cancer with your harmonica.

Cunt.

[quote][R71], please do tell us about the time you cured cancer with your harmonica.

Music therapy is actually a legitimate health science. Stay bitter and purposeless.

R77, please do tell us about how you self-medicate your schizophrenia with day-drinking.

Shart.

It would make a longer telecast, but I like seeing snippets of the films during the show. It entices me to see the movies more, intrigues me. I like hearing the songs performed beautifully.

I want Liz Taylor in diamonds. Not JLo half naked. I never want to look at Frances McDormand again. I just don't. I wont pay for that. I've seen enough severe, depressing women in this world for free. The men... ugh the fatness, bad skin and facial hair. The greasy buns and flooding, hideously ill-fitting fashion tuxes... they're beyond redemption. Joaquin Phoenix can walk-in a grease fire. Or just a fire, he's greasy enough to light it up.

GLAMOUR. That's why you walking mannequins are paid.

Your defense of music, R71...is that it's used as therapy? Well, so is acting.

Look, if Aristophanes, Shakespeare, Marlowe, Pinter, Chekov, Kurosawa, Bergman, Kubrick, Altman, etc. do nothing for you, so be it.

If you think they could get by without actors, you're an idiot as well as a philistine.

But this one time? You put your flute up your pussy? At band camp?

Tell us all about it.

"With so many Social Media influencers out there Hollywood has lost a lot of it's cache. Perhaps there should be a new awards show for those who have the most Twitter followers. I bet more people would watch."

"The Twitter Awards" or more broadly "The Social Media Awards" would absolutely get many more viewers. The potential categories are endless.

"Best Tik Tok Dance Routine."

"Best Tik Tok Pet Vid."

"Best 'OMG' Tweet."

"Sexiest Tweet."

When the Oscars were sort of popular the stars were not so plentiful or in our faces 24/7. There were not endless E! television shows or social media. The stars are all ordinary now and are competing with “Influencers” and the Kardashians. No one even knows what a “star” is anymore so it’s just one of dozens of award shows with the same old, same old. There is nothing to do to save any of them anymore because it’s a SATURATED market of show biz folks now. We don’t have to wait for “award season” to see the stars -they are on the 4,000 talk shows, youtube, instagram and everyfreakingwhereelse all the time.

r67 Gladiator in the early 2000s?

[quote]Your defense of music, [R71]...is that it's used as therapy?

No. That was me rebutting your low IQ implication that there is no medical use for music, you simpleton.

[quote]I rather watch cspan

Oh, dear!

If your idea of film is action pics, cartoons and 'scurry movies'- you probably won't watch and never did (esp. if there's some sports on).

r83 Oversaturated I'd say!

So does the Will Smith Chris Rock incident accelerate and worsen it's relevancy problem or help boost its ratings in the longer term?

I don't know but this is the most the Oscars have been talked about in years.

Very true r90

I haven’t watched an entire awards show—Academy or otherwise—in 20 years—well before the internet made mince meat of my attention span. I like seeing the fashions but that’s about it.

Fran L said it best.

This tweet is disingenuous AF, because I guarantee you that people who aren’t interested in the Oscars don’t watch them anyhow, so it’s a non issue for them, anyhow.

And it’s really easy to see where the propaganda stems from.

Anything with the word “elites” in it, comes from Russia or China, who constantly deflect what ELITIST agenda they are trying to not disclose to their poor majority. To them, elitism is reserved for THEIR oligarchs. It has NOTHING to do with an actor or actress on Hollywood. You think Hollywood is filled with elites?

THEN GO FUCK YOURSELVES.

Hollywood people who work in entertainment and make money doing so are ABSOLUTELY WORKING FOR THEIR FUCKING MONEY AND OFFER AN RND PRODUCT TO THE PUBLIC, UNLIKE THE RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND CHINESE CINTS WHO ARE BAZILLIONAIRES BECAUSE THEY STOLE EVERY LAST DROP OF LIFE, LIMB AND BLOOD FROM THE PEOPLE WHKM THEY RULE OVER WITH AN ITON FIST TO THE POINT OF POUNDING THEM AND THEIR PROGENY TO DEATH!!!

You wanna know what a true elitist does? A true elitist slaughters innocent women, men and children in the streets and destroys their lives by obliterating their cities and infrastructures, while he hides in some palace or yacht, demanding total acquiescence, sothat be an continue running his mafia enterprises through their ports and corridors, because he’s too lazy, dumb and greedy to build his own country’s economy.

You think a fucking actor who actually stars in a film everyone loves is a fucking elite? Then fuck you.

If Putin thought he could win an award for being the best oligarch ever, he’d be at that ceremony in a second to pick his little statue up.

Hollywood is an ECONOMIC mechanism. Fuck any of you here who begrudge millions of people making a living every year to entertain the masses. And ESPECIALLY fuck all of you asshole brainwashed trolls who begrudge carpenters, cameramen and Krafts services people their jobs behind the scenes to make an honest living where they too, pays enough higher taxes than most Americans, so that red state rednecks can go online and call them ELITIST.

Fuck you. A million times fuck you.

Neither. No one is going to count on something as outrageous happening again, so no one is going to watch expecting something similar to happen. I guess a few might tune in to see the jokes, if any, about the incident. Flip side, while it IS the most anyone has talked about the Oscars in years, because this is a on-time thing, it didn't fix anything, any of the reasons why Oscars were going downhill.

I'm more sick of people complaining about the Oscars than the Oscars themselves. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nobody's forcing you. Problem solved.

There aren’t any real movie stars anymore. They are interchangeable. The movies are the stars.

Does the Academy want to honor films or roast the audience and/or nominees? It's become a spectacle in the worse sense of the word.