Samantha Fox- Why was her success so short lived?

Why do you always post music career questions that absolutely nobody has a definitive answer to?

R1 and you don’t do that, with your made up celeb gossip and shit?

Because...

a) she followed up "I Wanna Have Some Fun" with a tired remake of the old chestnut "I Only Wanna Be With You", a song everybody and their mother seemed to haul out every few years, and it didn't work.

b) the leadoff single from her next album was one of those "what the fuck are they thinking?" moments. A dead-on-arrival mediocrity with the bizarre title "Hurt Me Hurt Me (But the Pants Stay On)". Seriously? Nobody in America was going to play that shit on the radio. Completely killed her career.

c) at the end of the day, 3 big hits was a pretty good showing for somebody who wasn't much of a singer or performer. She actually did pretty well for someone who wasn't that talented.

No my crapola is true

Love House was my fave track from her then Naughty Girls.

I have "Naught Girls Need Love Too" on my iPod and I am not ashamed!

Easy answer, 3 big hits for someone whose previous career involved showing her two big tits on page 3 of a "news" paper with added coming out as a lesbian when it wasn't fashionable equals a career in continental Europe.

Generic 80s music. Meh.

Did she ever sing live? I remember all her performances being lip-synch. She looked much prettier most times than in her music videos.

Nothing’s Gonna Stop Me Now is my 3rd fave from Sam. Love SAW stuff.

OP do you have any idea what her career involved before she got into pop? Her career might have been short-lived in your little world but she was one of the most famous faces in the UK for years. She's still a household name for any British person alive in the 80s.

R3 makes some very good points. I am a big Samantha Fox fan. I even saw her in concert when she toured the US in 1989. (At Bogart's in Cincinnati, Ohio.)

"I Only Wanna Be With You" was a terrible choice for a follow-up single to "I Wanna Have Some Fun." "Love House" or "Your House or My House" would have been better choices for a second single. Also, releasing "Hurt Me, Hurt Me" as the lead single from her third album was a disastrous choice. Even "More, More, More" would have made more sense.

R10 I'm a shameless SAW whore myself, but that one does nothing for me. It starts off promisingly but then just plods along. I prefer "You Started Something" from the I Wanna Have Some Fun album.

Love House was the lead-off single in the UK

I like this ballad a lot.

R13 I’m m not ashamed to like SAW productions. The extended versions of Nothing’s Gonna Stop Me Now are among my favorites of theirs.

She’s an absolute drunk of a mess with a bull-dyke girlfriend. Appears on reality tv off her tits looking for fights. What must her old straight clientele think looking at her now.

Really OP she’s not worthy of DL. Even for a laugh.

R17 one must consider she was in a much much better place looks, AND career wise in the 80s. Nobody wants to evaluate her career worthiness circa 2022.

Samantha Fox- Why was her success so short lived? Uh, because she can't sing?

R19 since when does having the ability to sing shorten a pop career?

Britney

The SAW music just went down the shitter, their deal with the devil expired.

Also, like Rebel Wilson, she completely ended her career trying to present an awards ceremony.

R19 is prime example of why I hate all of Op’s music posts. All of them are 100% subjective question oriented, geared to illicit fierce debate stemming from one’s own personal taste in music. No definitive answer exists to op’s questions…. Just typical DL shit like “no talent, I hate her” to “I love that album, she’s my favorite “. Tiresome shit.

R23 then don’t click on the post. Issue solved.

Quite big tits

Fair enough r24

I think she did pretty well to wring out the career she had considering her minimal talent.

lack of talent and credibility

i think US girls were confused with her. She had the heavy metal slut look, but made pop music.

I also confused her with an American pr0n actress, with the same name, Samantha Fox, whi starred in some hardc0re movies when she was a minor.

Bimbos always have a short shelf life.

America isn't very welcoming to foreign female artists.

They were to me.

Me too.

They were accepting of her. Touch Me was a huge inescapable hit. She’s a white blonde hottie with huge tits and a slutty persona. She was more than welcomed here.

She just didn’t pick good songs as singles.

I think Samantha had a great run from 1986 to 1989. She did a lot better than other female artists, including Kim Wilde who apparently is the most successful female British singer of the '80s.

Her albums, especially I Wanna Have Some Fun, are a collage of the pop sounds of the late '80s. I Wanna Have Some Fun has a bit of hip-hop (the title track), house (Love House), SAW (I Only Wanna Be With You), a bit of rock (Hot for You), unabashed bop (One in a Million, Ready for this Love).

Sam's first three albums are terrific. But her third album, Just One Night, was all over the place and she wasn't able to keep up with the changing trends.

She was huge in India.

Show her some love! She was the British Stacy Q.

I liked some of her songs back in the day, and she was fun, but the only one I listen to today with any regularity is Touch Me. So 80s (in a good way).

Eh. These queens attacking SF are probably fierce defenders of Madame X and her latest bs.

R36 wouldn’t know Kim Wilde or Samantha Fox from 10 Tit Tina if it weren’t for a 30 second wiki check. No frame of reference.

Kim Wilde had a few big US hits such as “Kids In America”, “You Keep Me Hanging On” and “”You Came”.

Samantha Fox had a few big US hits “Touch Me”, “Naughty Girls” and “ I Wanna Have Some Fun”.

Also what is a hit in the UK I may not have been a hit in the US and vice versa.

........... because Sabrina aced her.

Sorry, I meant Just One Night, her FOURTH album, not third.

Hey r41, You Came, while a great song, was not a "big US hit". It peaked at... number 41. Kids in America peaked at 25. Minor hit. Not "big" either.

They didn’t chart well but they are songs still heard today

R44 only has web sites to reference and just discovered Sam Fox and Kim Wilde through suggestions via Spotify or Apple Music.

I was a kid in the 80s and actually remember when those songs were popular and played on Top 40 radio and on MTV.

You r44 and Op are millennial or Gen Z trash.

Op is r44 = asshole

She was a lesbian who wouldn’t sleep with sleazy record executives?

[quote] You [R44] and Op are millennial or Gen Z trash.

I'm a 45-year-old man who lived through this era. Sam Fox had three top 10 hits plus another top 40 hit. She hit the top 10 more than Kim in the U.S. That is FACT. Love both singers but Samantha had more hits in the US. You seem pressed by Sam's success and that she did better States-wise than Ms. Wilde. No need to be nasty or naughty.

But, as Sam said, naughty girls need love, too.

Sam Fox had a good run of his for a model turned singer. Three major US hits and more in other territories.

I thought Naughty Girls was the best of the tunes.

Kim Wilde was not quite as popular as her in the US, but Kids in America is an enduring radio hit. I still hear it. I never hear Sam Fox anymore.

Yawn r49. U like to exaggerate and split hairs with your assertions that Sam Fox was such a bigger success than Kim Wilde and had so many more “Hits” when it might have only been a difference of one or two.

Aren’t you intelligent or wise enough to just say you like one more than the other than try to try to manipulate history to fit your tastes?

Just say I really like Sam Fox and I liked her somewhat better.

Then stop there. Don’t try to say how many more hits she had or how how she was better received when it’s purely subjective and another poster can say exactly opposite. This is why I hate your posts.

I remember Naughty Girls was played incessantly.

Btw. Stacey Q had ONE US TOP 10 Hit.

Two Of Hearts is still a bop

Stacey Q wasn’t even on the same level as Kim Wilde or Samantha Fox. Of those 3 Kim Wilde had by far the most international success. Not my opinion but can actually be supported by chart placement number of albums recorded and units sold.

Stacey Q looked like a model

Op is busy on wiki he’ll be back with more inane conjecture soon.

R51 is taking this a little too personally. I hope you're not over 25 (you must be if you're pressed about Fox v Wilde).

Also having hits is not the same as talent. No one claimed Samantha Fox was more talented.

Kim Wilde wasn't all that famous in the US her remake of You Keep Me Hangin On was her biggest hit and got a lot of play, but not much else. I know she was very big in Britain.

R99 it went to #1 on the billboard hot 100

r51, I am only reciting facts. I have no bias against either Fox or Wilde. The Billboard charts clearly show that Fox had more top ten/40 hits than Wilde. Having said that, Wilde had a #1 Hot 100 charting song, something Fox didn't have.

You Came, though, should have been a bigger hit in North America. It's a fantastic song. In fact, I think Close is one of the best albums of the '80s. But then again, there were many British acts that deserved to have bigger success in the States.

Op sorry for the over zealous fit.

I’ve had a really tough day. I took out my frustrations in my posts. Please accept my apology.

Love and let live

[quote] she followed up "I Wanna Have Some Fun" with a tired remake of the old chestnut "I Only Wanna Be With You", a song everybody and their mother seemed to haul out every few years, and it didn't work.

[quote] "I Only Wanna Be With You" was a terrible choice for a follow-up single to "I Wanna Have Some Fun."

Well R3 & R12, in Samantha's defense 60s Pop Remakes were huge in the Late 80s/first few years of the 90s. Just off the top of my head there was Kylie Minogue's 'Locomotion', Cher's 'The Shoop Shoop Song' & Rod Stewart's 'This Old Heart Of Mine'. All remakes & HUGE hits. And I'm sure I'm forgetting several others.

Bitchin

[quote] But then again, there were many British acts that deserved to have bigger success in the States.

True. Lots of British acts should've been bigger in the US. Unfortunately, US radio was clogged up with hair metal and Lite FM garbage in the late 80s and that took airtime from other artists. The programmers couldn't make enough room in the airplay schedule because they had to play the latest from fucking Warrant or Gloria Estefan.

R46 as if younger people care about this 1980s has-been.

Kim Wilde had some REALLY good songs, “Cambodia” and “Water on Glass” especially.

I don’t remember her songs too much but I was always thought she looked very old around the time of her success. She looked like she was 40.

R12 here. "Hurt Me, Hurt Me" was the lead single off the FOURTH album ("Just One Night"), not her third album. Sorry.

r25 I'm masturbating.

Touch Me was my jam when I was 10.

Madonna probably sabotaged Sam.

She and Tammy Mapother are dating.

R72 wouldn’t shock me lol

R68 some lyrics from Naughty Girls

“Stop moving like you’re 40. This groove is much too naughty”.

Love the Full Force production

Sa sa sa sa Samantha FOX!

Kim Wilde giving an impromptu performance of Kids in America.

One could argue that LaToya Jackson decided to take her career cues from Samantha Fox in the late 80s when she did the Playboy spread and hooked up with Fox's Naughty Girls Need Love to and I Wanna Have some Fun producers Full force for the single "You're gonna Get Rocked".

True r78 and she got some SAW tracks as well... except both Full Force and SAW gave La Toya their bargain bin-priced tracks.

R78, what most people don't realize is that up until 1986 or so, La Toya Jackson's recorded output was actually pretty good. She was never a great singer or had much success but suprisingly she got good productions & material. But the weak material on her (mostly) Full Force-produced 1988 "La Toya Jackson" project & her hilarious attempts at being "tough & urban", pretty much closed the lid on her being considered a serious recording artist here in The States. It's quite apparent that Full Force saved the best material for Samantha Fox.

La Toya fared a little better with the S-A-W produced single '(Ain't Nobody Loves You) Like I Do'. But even that was a blatant ripoff of the group Levert's major R&B hit 'Casanova' from a few years before.

r25 Why didn't she make her nipples erect for this photoshoot? Flaccid tits are depressing.

She was a lezzie with huge gorgeous tits but nothing else to offer.

Because she doesn’t like to rub ice on her titties!

You really think she had a short run? By what measure?

Pay attention to the average lifespan of a pop career. She did well. She had hits from three albums. That's the average lifespan of a successful pop career.

It's certainly pretty unprecedented for a topless model too.

I wonder how many lesbians have gone to town on those titties.

Her perky bouncing teats were the best thing about the 80s.

[quote]Samantha Fox- Why was her success so short lived?

TALANT.

A LACK OF TALANT!

She was a celebrity, not a singer. But she could just about hold a tune. Bouncy big tits were a hit in the late 80s by by 1990 no one cared anymore.

But I LOVE LOVE LOVE Samantha's version of I Only Wanna Be With You. The video has more colour, glitter and sparkles than a trans woman's tena lady and some very attractive men. She does dip into the Miss Piggy territory when she attempts some notes but what fun!

She sounded rough on Celebrity Big Brother a few years ago. It's hard to believe she still tours.

R87 ummmm men have never not cared about tits.

People couldn’t decide if she was fat or not. She was always on the bubble.

Her tits were way too jiggly and fat.

Naughty Girls Need Love Too!

Love Sam. I’m very fond of all her 80’s hits and she seems like a genuinely sweet, and dare I say, smart woman

She didn’t have a good voice, and big tits will only take you so far. She had a good run.

"I Surrender (To The Spirit of the Night)" was her peak for me.

[quote] and dare I say, smart woman

Have you ever seen her appearances on reality tv?

She was interviewed about her hits on the podcast A Journey Through Stock Aitken Waterman, available at all good hosting sites/apps.

I didn't even know that she sang. I only remember her for being topless in the Sun's Page 3 when I was a kid.

No, R72. Madonna just did it better. But I loved Samantha too.

Because she was gay. She has no talent, but many other with huge careers don't either

She wasn't known to be gay. David Cassidy groped her, with the expectation that she would fuck him.

Because she is Lebanese, Blanche

R7 She came out much later in life.

I only want to be with you, a lesbian covering a lesbian

I'm so glad I was able to provie a str8 alternative.

Kim Wilde was a way bigger star than Samantha Fox in the 80s. Three of her big hits are considered classics today and you often hear them while Samantha's only big hit was Touch Me and I can't remember when was the last time I've heard it play anywhere.

Didn't know when was married. Her wife is quite attractive.

Samantha had more success in the biggest music market.

This thing she did to her ex gf was very shitty of her.

Utterly talent free.

Fug.

And by all accounts, a narcissist.

I still like this song a lot…

Did Samantha at least get a sting on "Miami Vice"?

*stint

S-S-S-Samantha! S-S-S-SAMANTHA FOX!

I saw Sam performing at an open air Pride event about 4 years ago. She performed six songs including cover versions of Hot Stuff and Call Me by Blondie. There was no band, just Sam and two twink dancers either side of her. She was obviously miming to the whole thing except for the final track Touch Me. She sang this live to backing tracks, it started off with a new slow intro and then went into the usual song.

My god it was horrendous. Her voice gave out completely, she was croaking along whilst holding her microphone out to the crowd as if they were going to sing along, they didn’t. For at least half of the song there were no vocals at all. When the compère came on after the song Sam whispered something in his ear and he announced that Sam has a sore throat but she didn’t want to cancel the performance. That was complete bullshit, it was actually embarrassing to watch.

^ She's a chain-smoker based on her CBB appearance, so not surprising.

She used to be the more feminine one in her relationships, with the guitar player from Girlschool and then with her agent and long time partner. Her wife is equally feminine if not more, than her.

In her interview with A Journey Through Stock Aitken Waterman, Fox says her last major label album was sabotaged because her US label, BMG, had decided not to pick up its distribution deal with her UK label, Jive Records, so they had no interest in promoting "Hurt Me Hurt Me" in the US. That effectively killed her mainstream career. And as other have said, she was hardly a failure or a flash in the pan. She had more US top ten hits than Kylie. By any standard she had a very solid (although not stellar) pop career. Most acts don't last as long as she did. Not everyone is Madonna.

[quote] Why was her success so short lived?

She was a screechy, talent free performer who got attention for her blond hair and her tits. She was a triple threat - couldn't sing, couldn't dance and couldn't act.

She wasn't talent-free. Not the world's greatest singer but she has charisma and made people happy. It's called the entertainment business.

[quote] A dead-on-arrival mediocrity with the bizarre title "Hurt Me Hurt Me (But the Pants Stay On)". Seriously? Nobody in America was going to play that shit on the radio.

I would love to have heard Casey Kasem announcing that song on his Top 40 countdown.

I remember she tried to have a hit with a barely different remake of "Santa Maria," a track which was prominently featured in "Queer As Folk." I think the original singer was also a glamour model.

The same synth gimmick appeared in multiple songs - in "I Wanna Have Some Fun" and "Naughty Girls." I think people tired of something so shitty, being shoved at them more than once.

She always reminded me of Agnetha from ABBA.

Just looked at her singles discography on Wikipedia. I figured she continued to have hits in the UK after her US hits stopped happening (like Kim Wilde or Belinda Carlisle), but nope. The hits stopped at the same time there, too.

The only song of hers I still listen to is Touch Me…it’s still a jam.

R120 you have absolutely no taste whatsoever

I don't give a flying fuck about taste policing. There is always someone who says they have more refined taste than you. Newsflash: all pop music is by nature low brow. Even the acts that YOU think are high art.

It's the vocals I can't abide. Samantha was better than, say, Paula Abdul but not by much...

Jennifer Lopez is just as thin voiced. Janet Jackson was no Aretha. Paula Abdul was abysmal.

I believe I posted this earlier in the thread, but I saw her on her U.S. tour in 1989 in Cincinnati and really enjoyed the show. Most of the audience were frat bro pigs who kept chanting "tits, tits, tits" throughout the show. If she weren't gay before that tour, it probably turned her against straight men. A couple of guys in the audience were obsessed with trying to get her shirt wet by throwing water with her. She asked them if they were raised in a barn. It was rather funny. But that nonsense aside, I thought it was a completely enjoyable show. I think she even sang a little live here and there, not that that ever mattered at a dance music show. This was of course just before poor Milli Vanilli were crucified for doing what virtually every dance act had been doing for years. But, I digress.... I was a fan back then and still get a kick out of hearing her today. I do agree that releasing the completely bizarre "Hurt Me, Hurt Me" was a huge mistake in America. She should have released the "More, More, More" medley from that album as the first single. Still love ya, Sam! Good luck!

The way I recall it her manager and/or husband robbed her blind. Coupled with the issues with her label she then threw in the towel and moved to Australia

I bought her cd and Paula Abudul's at the same time. Overall I enjoyed Sam's more

Her father, who was her manager, was a cocaine addict who ripped her off. He wouldn't let her oversee her finances. She read an article in a newspaper estimating her worth, and knew the figure was very wrong. She got some accountants in and found out the truth. He had also not been paying her taxes, which left her financially devastated.