Who is the most famous woman ever?

Cleopatra.

Princess Diana. Madonna was the only female whose fame was comparable.

Daphne Zuniga.

Mary.

The Virgin Mary

Tanita Tikaram

Uta von Ballenstedt

Elizabeth Taylor

Angelyne

Angelyne… with the billboard to prove it.

Jackie Kennedy

Anastasia Beaverhausen

[quote] Jackie Kennedy

Umm, did George Gay Clooney whine about the paparazzis causing YOUR death? No. Go sit on a land mine!

Virgin Mary

The "Virgin" Mary.

(There. I fixed it for you, R5 .)

Mary was a married slut, not a virgin.

That sexy young Caitlyn Jenner!

I second Cleopatra.

R2 That’s just the 80’s. And both are not well known by younger people.

Eve.

QEII owns this thread and you're all being ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

R19, who do you think are the most famous women ever then? Just wondering

Cleopatra has the staying power. QEII, maybe, somewhat, but how would we know? 2000 years of fame can't be challenged that easily. Even the Virgin Mary, who of course is largely mythical, wouldn't really be famous until around 300 years after Cleopatra.

Barbra Streisand outshines The Virgin Mary any day.

Princess Diana hands down.

Thank you Addison R20.

Vivian Vance.

Mother Teresa

God

The Maid D’Orleans, aka Joan of Arc

Nicole Brown Simpson. I'm still searching for her murderer.

Oprah

What about ME????

Yoko Ono

Julia Roberts

Mythical women don't count imo, but that would clearly be Eve.

Cleopatra is good, but Queen Elizabeth l altered the course of history in the UK and U.S. more profoundly than most men even.

Nancy Reagan, famous actress, First Lady of California and the United States, and blowjob artiste.

R26 The UK and US are not the only countries in the world, you dumb cunt.

Mona Lisa

Holy Mary Mother of God of course.

JOAN.FUCKING.CRAWFORD.

Marilyn Monroe after the Virgin Mary.

r38 You missed the joke, stoopid! That character wants to be the most famous woman in the world, you dunce.

Me!

Another vote for the virgin MARY!

Rula Lenska.

R22 Cleopatra, just as R23 said. Even R36’s Queen Elizabeth I is solid but weak compared to Cleopatra. We’re talking the most famous, not the most important.

She’s taught in school, she’s a popular Halloween costume for every generation, she represents beauty. She’s like the ancient Marilyn Monroe - there’s tons of beauty products and hair salons and etc named after her. Her name can be basically used as a noun to describe beauty. Her name represents the most beautiful woman in the world.

Cleopatra is historical but mythical and she transcends race. She can be depicted as any color (except Asian I guess but you can still be an Asian Cleopatra). The only person besides that is Jesus.

Princess Diana and Madonna are very famous 1980’s figures. Will they still be known 2,000 years from now?

Oh and to add to my point in R47, Cleopatra upheld relevancy in art for 2,000 years!

She hasn't been born yet

Cleopatra and The Queen are probably neck-in-neck

R47 makes a good case for Cleopatra. My initial reaction was QE but I’m going with Cleo.

Sweet Brown

Jesus' mom Mary, Cleopatra, Marie Antionette, Joan Crawford, Michelle Obama or Betty White, someone of that stature.

The Queen of Sheba

Queen Carlotta

In 1986, I was in the Old City of Jerusalem with a friend. We were in a church museum being guided by an Orthodox monk (if memory serves me Greek Orthodox). He was struggling with the English word for "crown." My friend, trying to be helpful, said "Crown, like what Princess Diana, would wear?" And the Monk, said "Who is that?." So not everyone knew or knows who Princess Diana was. Although, as the daughter in law of Prince Phillip of Greece, perhaps, it is surprising he didn't know, if he was indeed Greek Orthodox. And I woild hazard a guess that there are many generation Z kids who don't who Princess Diana was either.

Angela Lansbury

Nana Mouskouri

There are two different things going on here:

In the history of the world so far, who is the best known woman (adding together all people who have ever known about her)? Clearly the Virgin Mary.

While the woman was alive, who was known by the most people in the world at one given moment? Likely Princess Diana at the height of her fame, given the history of mass media and the world population.

Queen Elizabeth

Joan of Ark

Mary doesn't count. Mary is a fictional character. And an underwritten one. What THE FUCK do we know about this fictitious cipher? NOTHING.

R47 You make the stronger case. I do wonder whether Queen Elizabeth would be more famous (as distinct from important) than Cleopatra if she had not plucked her hairline, whored it up more, and committed quirky suicide instead of lead poisoning from makeup.

Marilyn Monroe

Anne Frank

Alexis Colby

Georgia Engel, but should be Judith Light.

Nefertiti

Monica Lewinsky

Champagne Lady Norma Zimmer!

Meghan Markle

R63 Well I think all of those things made her distinctly recognizable.

Her mother might be just as famous though.

Well maybe, r59, but even at the height of her fame, Princess Diana was still probably less famous worldwide, throughout the old Empire, than Queen Elizabeth II. And of course, Princess Diana was only famous in large part because she was married to the son of Elizabeth II. No Elizabeth, no Diana.

As for the Virgin Mary, well that gets us into myths and legends. Would Aphrodite count as most famous woman? Would Helen of Troy? Would some goddess in China or India? Kali had one hell of a cult going on, once upon a time.

[quote] Queen Elizabeth l altered the course of history in the UK and U.S. more profoundly than most men even.

[quote]Her mother might be just as famous though.

If you want to talk about women who changed the course of history, Anne Boleyn's iron knickers certainly played a part.

R2 Laughable and deluded Madonna won’t be remembered 50 years from now let alone a few thousands like Cleopatra , Nefertiti, Boudacca and Helen of Troy.

WHY DO WE FUCKING CARE?

Agree, r74, if anybody yanked England off of its predestined path of Catholic kingdom with Catholic King fighting all these damned heretics it was Anne Boleyn.

CAUSE WE DO, R76! Are you new here?

Minnie Pearl

Cleopatra - Elizabeth I - though given her longevity - Liz II is getting close - Joan of Arc - Catherine the Great -

Presently? QEII. Of all time? Probably the Virgin Mary.

Half the world is China and India and a lot of the rest of Asia. India, yes to QE2. Not sure about the Virgin Mary. Who is famous in China? That is probably a whole different world. Tsu Shi (spelling? who knows? but anyway) is fascinating, but I don't know if she could come close to world-famous. Still, there are probably over a billion who could recognize her right now.

One thing in Mary's favor: Islam does have a place for Jesus, and his mother, so there is that.

Still giving points to Cleopatra for hanging in there without any church or mosque pumping up her numbers. She had IT when IT hadn't been invented for thousands of years.

Thread closed, bitches.

Diana Ross

Excuse you, bitch. MISS ROSS!

Tub Girl

The Virgin Mary certainly its one of the most recognisable icons ever. Most famous currently living is probably Elizabeth II since I was reading an article the other year about a semi isolated tribe in the Amazon and even they had a vague idea about who she was.

Virgin Mary is not a myth

sweetie, oh sweetie r88

If I do say so myself.

Virgin Mary is kind of mythical just like Jesus. We know these people existed but who they are has been heavily fictionalized.

From what I’m aware of, Mary was a hard core Jew and was cut out of Paul’s remix of Jesus’ Christianity and they didn’t get along. She sided with Jesus’ older brother James who was also crucified.

But to pile onto Cleopatra, she was enemies with Herod the Great who’s in the Bible during the birth of Jesus and Mary’s flee to Egypt.

Cleopatra isn’t in the Bible but her family is.

Also July = Julis Caesar, her baby daddy August = Augustus. The month was named after him because of Cleopatra’s suicide and Rome’s takeover of Egypt.

And there’s also no doubt Cleopatra played a role in the calendar. Although it’s never specified, we know she brought an astronomer to Rome with her when Rome had the longest year and Caesar made leap year which came from the Egyptian calendar.

[quote]Cleopatra isn’t in the Bible but her family is.

Where?

Honestly her family and actually her surviving kids are kind of interesting in their own right. But where in the Bible do they appear?

Virgin Mary is a non-alcoholic cocktail people, not a woman!!

Okay, also, her baby daddy was not Augustus? And yes, you are right about those months being shoved into the calendar but they had nothing to do with Cleopatra. They had everything to do with Octavian, later Augustus Caeser and his adoptive father Julius. They weren't there cause of Cleopatra, ever.

Mary took it up the ass. That's how she remained a "virgin".

IN terms of, most famous female IMAGE that the world knows all over.. i would have to say Marilyn, Princess Diana and maybe Madonna...

What is funny about the calendar is to this day it is kind of all wrong. September actually means, Seventh Month. October means eighth month. But because of July and August, it is all still fucked up, and nobody is going to do anything about it, maybe forever.

[quote]Virgin Mary is kind of mythical just like Jesus. We know these people existed but who they are has been heavily fictionalized.

We don't know they existed. There is no historical evidence that any of them existed. It's as woo-woo as QAnon.

R94 The Ptolemies are in the Bible. It’s her family before her, not after her.

Her grandson, the one who was killed by Caligula, was Jesus era. He’s not in the Bible.

Virgin Mary

Not to be a dick, but where are the Ptolemies in the Bible? Who is a Ptolemy? the Pharaoh of the Old Testament is never named. Just Pharaoh. Where is the guy in the New Testament, and what is his name?

R96 No Caesar was her baby daddy.

I’m just saying, two historical figures that influenced the calendar were 2 major figures in her story.

She’s in two degrees in a lot of places. Just like I said, she was involved with Herod the Great who’s in the New Testament. She wanted Judea and owned territories around it and I guess she was a real pain in his ass and he hated her.

She was a virgin like me!

OPRAH!

Baby Daddy was Julius, r104, not Augustus, not the guy that wanted to kill her so she had to do the whole snake thing? Augustus was definitely not the baby daddy.

forget the virgin mary, it's PROUD mary for the win! lol!

R103

So Ptol′emy set out from Egypt, he and Cleopatra his daughter, and came to Ptolema′is in the one hundred and 62nd year. Alexander the king met him, and Ptol′emy gave him Cleopatra his daughter in marriage, and celebrated her wedding at Ptolema′is with great pomp, as kings do. -- (1 Maccabees 10:57-58)

This is not Cleopatra, this is Cleopatra I.

Fine r108, we will do this thing.

And to add, the Ptolemies were very influential in the translation of the Bible if I’m not mistaken.

As far as being the most famous woman ever while still alive at their peak it has been said that it was Elizabeth Taylor.

Jodie Arias. Psychotic bitch with fake tits and a busted pussy.

The Virgin Mary

I'm voting for Bugs Bunny in drag. That's pretty close.

That is an interesting myth, but it is a myth r111. The idea is that Ptolemy II (I think) invited 70 Rabbis to his palace to translate the Pentateuch into Egyptian. They were all sent into separate rooms to translate the scriptures into Egyptian by themselves. When they all emerged, all the translations were exactly alike and this became the Septuagint (70) translation of the Bible. I think you and I and everyone can see this is bullshit, but it's a fun story.

R116 Wait why would it be Egyptian? They were Greek?

Actually, good point r117. It may have been Greek. Still, a myth, but good catch.

The criteria is the most famous woman *ever*, not the most famous woman of the 20th century. I'd have to go with Mary, mother of Jesus (supposedly).

Most famous woman of the 20th century? Queen Elizabeth followed a tie between Jackie Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe.

Actually it definitely WAS Greek. Yikes, I don't make mistakes like that, but damn, totally messed that up. The Septuagint is what the New Testament authors used to steal crap and put it in their Gospels. Damn, r117 you are completely right.

Cleo and Julius spawn was named Cesarean. Tiberius was Empower when Jesus was born, and Augustus aka Octavian when He was crucified. In between we have whom? Claudius? Caligula? No wait. There is no in between, and I've got the relevant two backwards, haven't I? It's Octavian at birth and Tiberius at crucifiction. Why did I type this? Oh, some shit up thread. I'm tired. No snark. Fuck you in advance!

R120 Yeah I’m not too versed on all the Ptolemaic Dynasty and their contributions, their family drama is more interesting to me, it’s like Game of Thrones on crack.

Just last week it was Mary Pickford - you bitches have a short memory.

Charo

Guy you are fucking up the whole Claudian dynasty. Please stop. Octovian, became Augustus when he became Emperor. Tiberias next. Caligula next (horror show, then killed). Claudius, not bad and lasted a while. Then Nero, and again with the crazy. Then killed and on to chaos and the next Emperors.

R121 Augustus was emperor when Jesus was born, Tiberius was empower when Jesus died.

There’s crazy conspiracy theories that Jesus is one of Cleopatra’s children. That Cleopatra and Herod the Great is really Jesus’ parents or something like that.

I think one of the Herod married a Cleopatra but not THE Cleopatra.

R125 Nero had what was left of the Jesus clan executed, right?

I can honestly say that Cleopatra and Herod are not the parents of Jesus. Whatever else is true in that crazy ass century, that is true. Not Jesus son of Cleopatra and Herod. Everybody Breathe.

I don’t believe they’re his parents lol! Im just saying there’s conspiracy theories that say they were.

Cleopatra died 30 years before Jesus was born.

Not Nero, and not executed r127. Weirdly, Vespasian supposedly encountered some Jesus descendants who were just a couple of goobers on a farm. Thought they were a threat, but when he actually saw them realized they were a couple of peasants that nobody had to worry about.

After this lengthy discussion of Jesus, Mary, Cleopatra, Caesar, Herod, and the Bible on a gay discussion board, I have determined the following:

Elizabeth Taylor ate a Caesar salad at Harrods Department Store with some queen named Mary who’s professional name is spelled Hey Zeus but pronounced like Jesus.

During this lunch, a bet was made on a Bible that Elizabeth couldn’t swallow a whole Greek Calzone m in under 2 minutes. She accepted the challenge and easily won. As a result, she became the world’s most famous woman because she was able to swallow a Greek sausage from a queer Spanish man in a London store owned by an Arab who killed Princess Die.

Right?

But who is the most beautiful r131?

Cleopatra, Marie Antoinette, Clara Bow

R 132- Obviously, the Calzone. It was packing some serious meat- Love Liz.

Clever, R131

You know Mary Pickford was actually the thing back in her day, right r133? But shit just doesn't last. It would be nice, and if it were nice, I would say Bette Davis. She deserves eternal fame, but I'm not sure she gets it.

Have all the Jesus freaks retired for the evening? Imaginary Mary needs a rest from all the ass kissing.

Dolly Parton might not be the most famous ever, but she's the greatest treasure

Oh, there is something about Dolly. She SHOULD be most famous. Damn, I love that lady.

Helen Lawson

Arlene Francis and Dorothy Kilgallen - It's a tie.

Hillary, Oprah, Beyonce

And Jolene.

Another vote for Mary, mother of Jesus.

There's just no question.

CANDY DARLING

Lying whores like Mary are not famous, they're notorious.

would most of these people be known in China/Asia in general where there are billions of people?

Mary? That somewhat notorious Jewess from Judea? Really? That is your heroine?

Cucker Tarlson.

But I'm a VIRGIN. My husband...we....well....you know.

r147 Yes in some cases. I think the problem in this thread is people are confusing actual knowledge of the person with being able to see a picture of x and recognise who it is. 90% of living people can look at a painting of a women in a blue robe nursing a child and recognise it as the Virgin Mary.

A lot of people would recognize Marge Simpson too.

Rula Lenska

r152 I think that has the same issue with Liz Taylor, etc. Not every household has access to cinema or tv, or the ability to research Egyptian history. But China had quasi Christian rebellions in the 19th century, Africa certainly has Christian countries and movements right now.

[quote] would most of these people be known in China/Asia in general where there are billions of people?

Mary, Mother of Jesus? Absolutely.

Why is Mary more famous than Eve ?

On Twitter right now, it's Jane Campion.

A week from now, it'll be someone else.

This question can best be posed to someone from Gen-Z, but the requirement is that they name someone who is dead.

r156 Because one is a sinless maiden adored by the Catholic church for 1500 years, one was dragged from Adams tit and cursed humanity?

[quote] Why is Mary more famous than Eve ?

Because so many people worldwide actively and regularly pray to Mary.

No one prays to Eve.

I prefer Rhoda over Mary.

sadly, cottage ass Kardashian in today's world.

Why do people pray to Mary ?

Mary, Mother of Jesus didn't exist. So don't even bother

Because R162 imaginary deities are easier to deal with than real people.

MADGE

Let's see. She's LIKE a virgin. And her name is Madonna. And she's an actual person. I vote for Mo.

not andy cohen.

but close....

Do trannies count ?

Mary!

Is that where the expression Mary! comes from ?

R114, Hi Andy Budgell!

Jackie O and Diana. It's a tie.

The Virgin Mary is the most enduring, just like her son who is the most famous man. But because their historicity is somewhat fudgy, I go for a top five list of female rulers who dominated their eras:

1. Cleopatra - Undisputed winner of historically documented women, in my opinion. Universally famous to this day and the name just rolls of the tongue worldwide.

2. Catherine the Great - long reign where she dominated, conquered and terrified a large part of the world. She, more than Peter the Great is responsible for the West's perennial view of Russia as a potential threat to be feared and antagonised. I

3. Queen Elizabeth II - Most famous woman alive. Famous now for just being there. We live in an Anglo-dominated world thanks to the English language and the United States, but Elizabeth hasn't done anything of particular of historical significance so it's doubtful she'll endure past her death like the other two, she hasn't changed or affected the course of history in any way so even history books will only mention her in passing. I think she's in danger of being overtaken by Mother Teresa in the next decade.

Others don't really cut it:

A few examples: Isabel of Spain has been celebrated for ridding Europe of Islamic invaders but I don't think she's universally famous. Joan of Arc is only ubiquitously famous only in France. Princess Diana is just a celebrity and only widely famous in English-speaking countries. Marilyn Monroe is possibly a more enduring celebrity than Diana but her fame is similarly localised in the United States and the world of cinema. Elizabeth I is a case of the English thinking their monarchs are world-famous when she's mostly only a British phenomenon. I expect Elizabeth II to end up like her. Same as Elizabeth of Russia who was historically important, but only widely known to Russians, which is largely the case for most female sovereigns.

^ I'd say the winner here is OCD.

^ Sorry. The remainder of my top 5 is Mother Teresa and the first female president of one of the United States, China or Russia.

That'll do pig, that'll do.

OK, r174. TL;DR version:

The Virgin Mary; Cleopatra; Catherine the Great; Queen Elizabeth II; Mother Teresa

Divine

Someone up-thread mentioned famous Chinese women.

I'm going to go with:

She sang for the troops in the immediate wake of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

Lassie.

Saint Mary, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy woman, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. - With over a billion Catholics on earth, there are easily several hundred million saying this prayer daily around the globe. Mary is a strong contender here. Just sayin'

Viva

Mary Magdalene was popular with the men, but I was even MORE popular!

R136 - R123 here - I know about Pickford, and argued for her on that thread, I was just being snarky. Looked at in a certain way she’s definitely a contender for the nebulous contest in this thread.

As one of the very first movie stars know by name, and far and away the most popular actress of that era, she had a type of worldwide fame completely different and far larger than anyone before her, ever. And it was truly worldwide; beyond just the Western Culture portion of the globe because silent films were screened everywhere and could be understood by everyone.

At the height of her fame she was arguably recognizable by a larger percentage of the world’s population than any woman before or since (if you stick to percentages, not gross numbers since population keeps growing).

And, except for people who are really interested in film history, or history in general, she is almost completely forgotten today. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi.

Anne Frank

FUCK THAT WHORE MARY.

R2 is an idiot.

Her.

R187 definitely Madonna at one point

I mean she has appeared on more magazine covers in more countries worldwide than ANY HUMAN BEING WHO HAS EVER LIVED MALE OR FEMALE

That means massive fame right there

Cleopatra hands down. Dead for thousands of years and still famous and movies still being made. People saying Madonna or Diana or any current celeb are way off the mark.

R189 "at one point"... OP said "ever"

Caitlyn Jenner

The Blessed Virgin

All these mentions of QEII but none of Victoria. She's far more associated with developments during her reign than any of her successors. Think of all that "Victorian" brings to mind.

R191 no extremely famous person maintains their height of fame forever

Even Jackie O, Liz Taylor and Princess Diana, I have cousins in their teens who don’t know who those three are

If it was hundreds of years into the future it would still be Cleopatra and Mary. Madonna, Marilyn and Di would be well know to historians.

Helen of Troy

Velma. From Scooby Doo.

Liz Renay, authoress of "How to Attract Men".

Step 1: Put your face up to a hole in the wall.

Bet they've heard of Cleopatra though, r195. Or are they hopeless illiterates?

"Saint Mary"

Oh, dear.

"Hail Mary"

^ THAT'S IT! I was sitting here for 20 seconds trying to remember that first word because I wanted to post from memory alone. I couldn't think of the word which makes all the sense in the world: "I'll be saying Hail Marys until Madonna has a hit movie!" - DZ. Assuming I got everything else correct, dear?

- R181

I don't know r202. You may need to get out your roostery and say a few Saint Marys before the Lord will forgive you.

Also, womb, dear.

TV's sweetheart, Susan Richardson.

[quote]Why do people pray to Mary ?

Cause Yahweh is a huge pain in the ass who probably hates you. His own book pretty much tells you that. And Jesus is a moody bitch too, for that matter.

Only Mary seems remotely pleasant. Try Mary, or pick a saint (although they tend to be prickly bitches too).

1. St Mary

2. Cleopatra

3. Catherine the Great

/thread

Rani Mukerji

Actually, I'd put Marie Antoinette above Catherine the Great. And also Anne Boleyn. Getting your head cut off gives you a memorability factor. Think Hollywood movies. Who is A-list when it comes to historical women. Catherine is having a good run lately, but for decades Marie and Anne ruled.

Yeah, okay, R203. I'll be sure to get my "roostery" and do that... 🤔

[quote]Actually, I'd put Marie Antoinette above Catherine the Great. And also Anne Boleyn.

Uh, nope!

Uh yeah, r210. Way!

R211 You think the average person outside the UK has even heard of Anne Boleyn? And Marie Antoinette was the Princess Diana of France. A well-dressed empty-headed woman of no consequence aka a celebrity. 18th Century French gays must've found her tremendous.

[quote]Madonna, Marilyn and Di would be well know to historians.

Honestly, would they? There may be people in the future who are interested in old cultural figures. But at some point, doesn't everybody become Lillie Langtry or Jennie Lind? A few old queens who are intrigued? A few shows that revive their fame for a season or two? Then back to the land of forgetting.

I loathe her but Margaret Thatcher was the most famous woman in the 80s. Even more than Queen Elizabeth II and DL fave Madonna.

Definitely Americans are still very much fascinated by everything Tudor r212, and for now, we still decide a whole lot of entertainment around the world. And Marie Antoinette? Yes, absolutely. Tragic Queen (whether you really believe that or not) is still very much a thing in the U.S. entertainment business, which is of course the World Entertainment Business. This all is very much subject to change, but yes, these two are very much queens that the world still cares about. Seriously, think of it this way: go into a studio and try to sell a script about some historical figure. It may seem silly, but it is still part of the deal here.

I will say, Catherine lately has come into her own, but that is relatively new and recent.

And though she might have had a big impact, come on r214. Is there anybody in the world who heard of Maggie Thatcher and hadn't heard of Elizabeth II?

Exactly r213. Celebrities don't translate through history. Mary Pickford is not known now. I don't think Marilyn Monroe means anything to millennials or, especially, zoomers. Princess Diana now is only a thing in Britain, the US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, the rest of the world has completely forgotten her. C

And honestly, because fame and impact are really not aligned, I suspect that in the 1980s Nancy Reagan was as famous as Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, but honestly, I don't think so.

I'd have to disagree on Thatcher being the most popular in the 80s. Perhaps in the UK at the time. But Princess Di was leaps and bounds more popular even outside of the UK

Marilyn is known around the world from 18 to 80 I think, at least her Image is....

It's not just gay people who have posters of her, and merchandise of her..

Anne Boleyn- dead 500 years but always popping up on stage and in movies/TV.

She played a key role in the English reformation and gave birth to one of England's greatest monarchs.

Eve of ADAM and EVE fame

Can I get a shout out for Benazir Bhutto? No?

Irene Cara

Eve is a contender, and perhaps the first woman ever (Lillith) to engage in coitus aka the forbidden fruit. Yea, I say. The enticing serpent grew stiff as a board and had one eye! And once the did partake together of that forbidden fruit aka sex, their eyes were opened, realizing their nakedness for the first time. Forbidden fruit. "Go ye now! Be FRUITFUL and multiply!" - Yaweh

Myths don't matter.

And pussy-fresh!

No love for Catherine the Great?

Lizsha.

r228 No

I, Tonya

C.Z Guest, you rubes.

My final list:

1. St Mary

2. Cleopatra

3. Catherine the Great

4. Queen Victoria

5. Mother Teresa

Hayley Mills

If we're going with women who have a definite historical record (sorry Mary), then Cleopatra VII would be #1. More than 2000 years later and she's still known around the world.

#2 would be Marilyn Monroe. About 22 years ago, two authors counted the total number of Marilyn biographies and the figure they got was over 300 in English alone, not including books written in other languages. New books about Marilyn are published nearly every year. Princess Diana, QEII, Audrey Hepburn, and Elizabeth Taylor do not get the same amount of attention from writers. Travelers have said that no matter where you go in the world, you can find Marilyn's image displayed in some city or town. Kids are familiar with her face. The same can't be said for Taylor, Grace Kelly, Brigitte Bardot, and Madonna.

Isn’t the bible a historical record ? R235

QE II. Because of modern communication. I'm sure more people in the world know this woman than any woman before in the history of humanity.

The bible is a history of lies for children.

The bible is a religious book filled with myths. It's not an accurate historical record, unless you believe that people in the Old Testament lived hundreds of years, R236

Yes, why wasn't Moses being chased by a velociraptor or a T rex?

Facts are important.

Thanks, R241, I am high and got a good laugh.

Pantheon's [bold]2020[/bold] rankings of the most memorable women:

[quote][bold]1) Mary, mother of Jesus[/bold]

[quote]2) Elizabeth II

[quote]3) Joan of Arc

[quote]4) Elizabeth I of England

[quote]5) Marie Curie

[quote]6) Frida Kahlo

[quote]Pantheon also uses real-time data from the Wikipedia API to show the dynamics of attention received by historical characters in different Wikipedia language editions.

marie curie? frida kahlo? the only ones who know of these two and looking her up are their fans and doing so very frequently to warrant such a high place on any list... i'm a fan of both but just being honest....

99% of the united states population at least MIGHT have heard of those names, but wouldn't recognize a photo of them...

1. Cleo

2. J d'A

3. Catherine the Great

^ Jean d'Arc is not more famous the Queen of All Saints, r245. Not even in France, which I know well.

The title of this thread should have been- Who Is The Most Famous Woman Ever On Datalounge?

The answer is that OLD SKANK

MADONNA

Diamanda Galas

Stop with fictional Mary already.

[quote]QEII owns this thread and you're all being ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

That ship has sailed.

She's not fictional r249.

Mary was as real as Mrs. Potato Head.

^ The historicity of the man known as Jesus Christ has been proved, r252. He obviously had a mother.

R253 He wasn’t known as Jesus Christ, that’s a made up name. His name was Yeshua and his mothers name was Miriam.

Miriam is too mythical / fictional without records to be considered a valid choice. She existed but what she’s famous for is probably entire fiction.

Edna Turnblad is the most famous woman.

R254.. never heard of that before, so who came up with the name Jesus Christ and excuse my stupidity, but what is that name suppose to mean, the "christ" part?..

Don't ask.

I would have said the Virgin Mary but Cleopatra was born before her and was around longer so I'm going with Cleopatra.

I’d say Madonna in modern history

R256 I dunno! But his name was the equivalent of Joshua.

Modern history is Elizabeth II.

The Prophet, Isaiah, wrote about the coming of the Messiah 1000 years before the fact. Read Isaiah 51, and you will see that Yeshua is the One written of.

Miss Cleo told me my rash would disappear if I avoided shellfish.

Sorry, that's Isaiah 53 you should read.

- R262

You should read The Prophet Miss Cleo. She can clear up your rashes.

Ancient history: Cleopatra

Modern History: Marie Curie

Contemporary history: Madonna

Gaga > Madonna

R266.. how can marie curie be the most famous woman in modern history ? what is your definition of modern history?...

r268 shut up

This is the source for R243. It's not an "of all time" list, it's an of the moment list with the current moment being 2020

Princess Diana for giving the Royal Family the Bitch Slap of Justice.

R269... shut up? why because I dare to ask a legitimate question? ...

The Virgin Mary is more popular than Cleo. There are billions of people in this world who haven’t received any education, but many of them are Catholic. Believe me, they know who Mary is.

[quote]He wasn’t known as Jesus Christ, that’s a made up name. His name was Yeshua and his mothers name was Miriam.

[quote]never heard of that before, so who came up with the name Jesus Christ and excuse my stupidity, but what is that name suppose to mean, the "christ" part?..

r254 and r256 are indeed stupid:

Yeshua (Hebrew/Aramaic) = Jesus (Greek) = Iesus (Latin) = Isa (Arabic) = Gesù (Italian) = Jesús (Spanish) = Jezus (Dutch) = Iso (Irish) = Yesu (Swahili) and so on. Just like:

Johanan (Hebrew) = Ioannes (Latin) = Giannis (Greek) = Yahya (Arabic) = John (English) = Jean (French) = Juan (Spanish) = Hans (German) = Sean (Irish) = Ivan (Russian) = Jan (Polish) = Ian (Scottish Gaelic) = Gianni/Giovanni (Italian)

"Jesus" is just the Greek and English translation of "Yeshua"

[quote]The Virgin Mary is more popular than Cleo. There are billions of people in this world who haven’t received any education, but many of them are Catholic. Believe me, they know who Mary is.

The Marian figure dominates Catholic cultures in a way only rivalled by the Prophet Mohammed in Islamic culture. Everywhere you look there's a St Mary's this or a Marymount that; an Our Lady of this or a Notre Dame de that; Various depictions of the Madonna with Child have been coopted everywhere even by atheists.

They're not stupid, R274. And there's no way you knew all that shit off the top of your head, Mr Copy/Paste. Be more mindful of the way you present your....findings. Now, run along.

R276 Thank you. Google search queens trying to play know it alls.

Holy Mary, Mother of God

Yes, she lived. Jesus also lived. People can argue about whether she was a virgin or not when she conceived Jesus, but not that she lived. She was a real woman. You can argue that Jesus was or was not a virgin, if you wanna, but he lived. Was he the Messiah? That's debatable. He lived and he had a mother.

I don't know any centuries old Indian or Chinese women, so how the fuck can I name one of them??

It's a great question, OP. Thanks for posting it.

Stop with that bullshit. There is zero evidence that your sky fairies existed so kindly STFU and let the adults carry on. And I'm Catholic.

Parvati, wife to Shiva, is just as famous as Mary (and just as mythical).

Mary sucks cocks in Hell.

Cleopatra or Queen Victoria

[quote]And there's no way you knew all that shit off the top of your head, Mr Copy/Paste

I absolutely did.I've been fascinated by names in different languages since I was a kid.

Catherine the Great is the only female ruler in history to get that title. She was widely respected and feared by friends and enemies.

Didn't bill maher in his "religioulous" movie detail how the whole story of jesus, the virgin mary, the birth and so on were stolen from other religions hundreds if not thousands of years before, just different names...

^ Bill Maher is not a historical scholar.

R286... but he wasn't doing the research, he was only repeating the research by others who ARE/WERE scholars...

The Jesus myth was plagiarized from stories thousands of years older. Shysters couldn't even bother to come up with something original. But that doesn't matter to the "scholars" who lap that shit up.

R288.. agreed, but it does make me wonder was the ORIGINAL story true before the names, dates, places plagiarized versions?..

Cleopatra. In modern history, Marilyn Monroe or maybe Diana.

Married virgins are always being raped by an omnipotent space aliens only to give birth to hybrid super beings who's magical powers involve parlor tricks and coming back from the dead. The usual.

R285 Yes, which is why I say Mary is somewhat mythical. She did exist but not in the context of her legacy. But the same goes for Jesus.

From what I’m aware of, Paul the Apostle distorted and remixed Jesus’ teachings after his death and took over Christianity and most of Jesus’ crew sided with James the Just, his older brother, who was eventually crucified as well. If I’m not mistaken, Paul didn’t even like Jesus when he was alive.

I think Jesus was more of a Gandhi figure in his life and after he died, he became a God figure like a lot of leaders did.

Most leaders claims descent of a God. Going back to Cleopatra, she claimed she was Isis. Mark Anthony claimed descent from Hercules, Caesar I believe was Venus. It was all political.

Historians say Cleopatra and her family were probably atheists. Cleopatra (and the Ptolemies) made sure the Greeks, the Egyptians, and the Jews had freedom of religion in Egypt.

Singer Madonna

The thing about history from back then…

I learned this from reading about Cleopatra

A lot of these records were written a long time after they died - both Jesus and Cleopatra.

And writing history wasn’t all about telling the truth.

But the writers got the information from direct sources. So for example, Cleopatra’s last days were most likely documented by Olympos who was her physician. That’s probably why we know she got an infection on her chest in the days before she died. But every writer has a different account about her behavior. Plutarch said her meeting with Octavian was dignified and Dio says she was desperate and far gone.

I also believe we know Charmion’s (one of the women she died with) last words were legit too.

But Jesus’ story has been distorted with a lot of supernatural and mythical stuff that it’s hard to believe what is really true.

“The messengers came at full speed, and found the guards apprehensive of nothing; but on opening the doors, they saw her stone-dead, lying upon a bed of gold, set out in all her royal ornaments. Iras, one of her women, lay dying at her feet, and Charmion, just ready to fall, scarce able to hold up her head, was adjusting her mistress's diadem. And when one that came in said angrily, "Was this well done of your lady, Charmion?" "Extremely well," she answered, "and as became the descendant of so many kings"; and as she said this, she fell down dead by the bedside.”

Now speaking of all of this…Cleopatra might have the most famous female death too. After Jesus.

What’s more famous? Marie Antoinette and Anne Boleyn’s beheadings? Joan of Arc burned at the stake? Cleopatra’s suicide?

Caitlyn Jenner

If God is so powerful, why didn't he steal Mary away from Joe, date her for a while, marry her, and then get her pregnant? Why did he Cosby her? Does this mean that Bill Cosby is God?

Mona Lisa

So was Mary a virgin when she was carrying baby Jesus ?

Meh. Marilyn Monroe wasn’t pretty in a classical way. More of a dumb slutty way.

Years ago i had a Brazilian boyfriend who was fascinated bu Cleopatra. He spoke good and fluent English but always pronounced her name klay-AH-puh-trah.

This is the Virgin fucking MARY! here writing. Heed Me, you fucking fools! Or else!

NO ONE must disagree with MISS JOAN CRAWFORD at R41, EVER!

CLEOPATRA is the most famous woman in the history of the world. She is more famous than Me. I was there, so I know. AND I *DO* KNOW HER! I was watching it all from the great heights above. I'M STILL WATCHING, BITCHES!

LISTEN! No one must tell MISS JOAN CRAWFORD about CLEOPATRA, EVER!

ELIZABETH II is the most famous woman currently alive. MADONNA, My special operations alter ego on Earth right at this moment, is the second most famous woman currently alive. I wanted to clear that up. Do NOT tell MISS JOAN CRAWFORD about ELIZABETH II and MADONNA either, EVER.

I willed it all so, and so it is all so. DO NOT FUCK WITH ME! I willed My Virginity, too. THAT IS ALL!

MARY!

Maybe God stole Mary away from Joseph to protect her from the velociraptors and T Rexes that were running around at the same time, according to the bible.

Of course! I better write that down for history!

Rula Lenska

This is the Virgin fucking MARY! here again. My faithful servant at R301: your boyfriend pronounced it like a Brazilian would. It is not the way I would like, but it cannot be helped. I am writing from / looking down on Brazil right now. Trace my IP. DO IT.

R299: I never carried the Baby J. Secret surrogate. I would never fuck up My figure for THAT. You all should get on with the program - open The Book, for a change.

His mother was a jackal.

So far this year, Adele.

Currently, Madonna isn't even more famous than Kim Kardashian. Sad, but true.

R298 Not a real person.

The real person is underneath the Mona Lisa - Lisa del Giocondo.

R310... do people know , much less go crazy paying to se her, who KK is in the rest of the world besides the u.s.? sorry i think Madonna still wins this one...

While I don't believe in his divinity, I certainly believe he existed. And that means he had a mother. Irrespective of whether the stories in the New Testament about his mother are true, she is still the most famous woman ever.

No. It's a bedtime story. She never existed.

Madonna. I dare you find someone who’s never heard of her

[quote]No. It's a bedtime story. She never existed.

So you are then claiming Jesus never existed.

There was never a Jesus. You are delusional. Not surprising.

I said I didn't believe in his divinity. You think somehow that an entire religion based on Judaism just popped up without any basis in fact? Josephus mentions him twice sixty years after his death. You're the one who is deluded because you don't like your religious parents.

"Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, although interpretations of a number of the events mentioned in the gospels (most notably his miracles and resurrection) vary and are a subject of debate."

Good luck scamming people out of their life savings, avoiding paying taxes, and fucking all those vulnerable children.

I am Jesus. Still alive after thousands of years. Bow to me, gay bitches.

History:

Pontius Pilate, Latin in full Marcus Pontius Pilatus, (died after 36 CE), Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 CE) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.

[quote]Good luck scamming people out of their life savings, avoiding paying taxes, and fucking all those vulnerable children.

You really are retarded aren't you? You don't even know what "historicity" means, do you?

You'll find the Jesus myth here. Sandwiched between Rumpelstiltskin and The Three Little Pigs.

If you can't distinguish between historicity and mythology, then you need to go back to school. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

It's "a crisis". I wonder if anyone will care? Oh, what am I saying? Of course not.

So THAT'S why they call them HEADmasters. He looks great in orange.

WTF are you even talking about? I'm not even a Christian. You're not going to get an argument from me about the evil perpetrated by religion. But your insane conflating of that evil with his existence is insane. You can find a shit load of abuse in Islam and Mormonism. Does that mean in your twisted mind that neither Muhammad nor Joseph Smith existed?

Another fine leader for the community and our kids. Just look at that smile.

5th graders. Sounds about right.

And? What do any of your posts have to do with the existence of a historic Jesus? Not his purported divinity, just his historic existence. Please try to focus and explain yourself.

And please stop posting examples of predators. I read the news too.

Given your responses, you sound like you were abused.

Another Christian School President. I sense some kind of pattern.

Okay, show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.

How Christian of you to joke about child molestation. Maybe your friend here can help you with where the touching happened.

Who's more tiresome; the Jesus Troll or the Madonna stan? Kill them both with fire.

I love a tight loophole.

Only five? Amateurs.

A rigged system of continuous abuse. Thank the lord.

Ok, I have a serious answer but you’re not going to like it.

There are 7.5 billion people in the world. That’s 7 times the number of people in 1900, 20 times the number of people in 1000 AD. So being historical isn’t enough to be most popular.

The most searched person in the history of the internet is the most popular person ever.

And it’s Britney Spears.

Charo

I'm not a "Madonna stan." I merely pointed out that she likely existed is IMHO the most famous woman ever. This nut job (now blocked) kept firing off links to Christian child molesters. Clearly, he was abused by some Christian-type, making him so deranged, he can't address a very simple question of historicity.

And R340 - the OP's question was who was the most famous, not most popular. I stand by Mary. She is known to the entire Christian and Muslim worlds. That's like 2/3rds of humanity.

Thank you for blocking out millions of abused children. Now I can continue with my altar boys.

The person posting links about Christian child molesters is focusing on the wrong Christians. It's Catholics and Orthodox Christians who venerate the Madonna and have made her universally famous, not Protestants.

[quote]The person posting links about Christian child molesters is focusing on the wrong Christians. It's Catholics and Orthodox Christians who venerate the Madonna and have made her universally famous, not Protestants.

But she was/is known to all Christians and Muslims because of the Gospels about the birth of Christ. She is the only woman named in the Quran.

Rhoda Young! She even made Inside Edition!

The remarkable thing is: every woman mentioned in this thread most certainly knows/knew about Cleopatra.

Girlfriend's memory is unkillable. The Virgin MARY! knew about her*. Catherine The Great knew about her. Joan Crawford not only knew about her, but would have gone back in time to try and fuck her, if only time machines had been available starting in 1920. Britney Spears knows about her, and given the chance, would probably try and fuck her too. Madonna name-checks her in a song (would also try to fuck her, etc.), and so on and so forth.

* Yes. We know this bitch wasn't a virgin, and her name was not MARY!. Not the point.

I could go on. If at all possible, Oprah would time-travel and try to gift her an island. Big Liz II would try to consult her spirit on royal matters & damage control. Big Liz I would have also tried to consult her spirit, seeking advice on how to lez it out more openly while not losing any noble support.

I could go on forever (but I've got things to do for the next 70 years, so I won't).

I think this category belongs to those that gave more than they received.

Mother Theresa.

She was everything to the human beings she helped.

Fuck being in movies. And history only lives on for those that were wealthy enough in their era to afford paper to write things down. Wealthy palaces left behind doesn’t mean they were good people that others thought highly of and talked about.

Marilyn Monroe

[quote]Her name represents the most beautiful woman in the world.

The real Cleopatra was actually quite plain, at least by our standards. To what extent she actually bewitched Caesar and Marc Antony, and to what extent their liaisons were political arrangements on both sides, is not clear. She may have been charismatic, but there are pictures of her (on coins and amid inscriptions) and she was no Liz Taylor. More Barbra Streisand.

Lots of people are being confused by the fact that Cleopatra was quite a common name at the time. Alexander the Great's father Philip's second [Macedonian] wife was called Cleopatra: they were married when the original Ptolemy (who was rumored to be Philip's illegitimate son by the DL of the day) was probably in his late 20s. The original Ptolemy was one of Alexander's generals and was the one who took over Egypt upon Alexander's untimely death. The Cleopatra you're all talking about was descended from him.

Whether she's the most famous woman ever would depend on how well known she is in China and India (excluding the Virgin Mary). If she's not, then the answer is probably someone who has lived in the time of mass media. (Unless Britney Spears was being googled by China and India as well as the West, R340, she's not the most famous. Being the most popular among western 15-year-olds does not = that.)

An irony is that the person who SHOULD be the most famous in the entire world right now is unknown to practically everyone, and that's Tim Berners-Lee. If you don't know who he is, google him and blush. It makes you wonder how many other people in history have been massively influential without being very well known, and it's probably more likely more women fall into that category than men.

R349. Mother Teresa was exposed as a sadistic ghoul who enjoyed watching poor people suffer and die in pain, as that was "god's will".

If there is a heaven and hell, she is burning for eternity.

Below is a list of the most google searched women currently. Beyonce is #1.

[quote]Unless Britney Spears was being googled by China and India as well as the West, [R340], she's not the most famous. Being the most popular among western 15-year-olds does not = that

First, I should have said most well-know instead of popular. She’s the most well-known in the world. Second, Hell yes they know who she is in India and China. She’s globally the most searched for person ever. Third, those 15 year olds are like 35 now. She hasn’t had a teenage fan base for 20 years. She’s not some teenybopper only known to the kids of tiktok.

Mother Theresa kept herself in business delivering unwanted children because she didn't allow contraception. She kept people in poverty so she could get photo ops delivering screaming children who would soon die of starvation. Thank you, Mother T, for doing what was best for you, instead of helping the suffering. Nice pics, though. Cunt.

Thats’s just 2022, r352 and Britney is still top 10 and hasn’t released an album for years.

[quote] Wealthy palaces left behind doesn’t mean they were good people that others thought highly of and talked about.

This thread is not about good people.

[quote] The real Cleopatra was actually quite plain, at least by our standards.

This thread is not about beauty, either.

[quote] Lots of people are being confused by the fact that Cleopatra was quite a common name at the time.

Everyone around here is clear that the Cleopatra being nominated for "most famous woman ever" is Cleopatra VII. And I don't know about China, but she is definitely well-known in India.

R351 She’s known in India.

R356 Yes. She sent her son off to India. Unfortunately, he was told to come back and was killed.

I don’t see how the Chinese wouldn’t know Cleopatra. It’s not like she’s some famous American, she’s been around for 2,000 years.

R349 Young people don’t know Mother Theresa.

And she was pretty awful if you read into her.

Again, Cleopatra is taught in history books as well.

Most people don’t know who Cleopatra was. They know the name, they know she was Queen of Egypt. That’s all some people know. She’s a Halloween costume, she’s a style of eye makeup, she’s sexy. Whether or not accurate, she’s a major figure.

[quote]The remarkable thing is: every woman mentioned in this thread most certainly knows/knew about Cleopatra. Girlfriend's memory is unkillable. The Virgin MARY! knew about her*

Unless she was a political scholar, Mary couldn't have known about Cleopatra. There was no TMZ or Daily Fail back then.

What do you think people talked about back then? Cleopatra was a Queen. Peasants, farmers etc. all around knew she had existed.

Most famous woman of the last 500 years is Queen Elizabeth II. Marilyn Monroe, Madonna etc will not be known in the middle of Africa, Indian Subcontinent, most of China ie most of the world. Elizabeth II is. Even the 12 year olds when I was teaching in Korea knew who she was when shown a picture.

R359 That doesn’t make any sense. How would she have not known? Cleopatra died in 30 BC, Jesus was born in either 1 AD or 6 BC. Cleopatra had owned Judea territory.

Egypt being annexed by Rome was a pretty big deal. And she was a major figure in Augustus’ history and Herod the Great’s history. She went to Egypt according to history.

There’s no way she didn’t know Cleopatra lol.

R361.. china most definitely knows who marilyn monroe is.. ALL asian countries LOVE nearly everything "americana" and Monroe even now typifies that...

Mother Fucker

If Cleopatra is so famous, do you know her last name then ? And Virgin Mary’s last name ?

Madonna is known in India. She went there to help clean up Mumbai slums.

Samantha Fox

R352 that list is sus…Joanna Krupa (whoever the fuck that is) number 2 above Kim Kardashian?! Also, nobody has googled Madonna since the early 2000s.

Cleopatra in terms of ancient history, and then Elizabeth I and finally Elizabeth II or Diana, probably.

Mary Pickford

[quote]Egypt being annexed by Rome was a pretty big deal. And she was a major figure in Augustus’ history and Herod the Great’s history. She went to Egypt according to history.

I'm sure she read it in the Bethlehem Bugle.

[quote] And Virgin Mary’s last name ?

Maryam bat Imran

R365 It's JONES, baby.

R365 CLEOPATRA JONES

Cookie Mueller

China and India don’t know Madonna? Who the fuck is this idiot?

I don't know about forever, but during her lifetime (until she was 35), Mary Pickford was the most famous person in the world. Silent movies were much more international than later sound movies. When Mary and Douglas Fairbanks married, they traveled by ship to London for the honeymoon, and when they got off the ship, there were 100,000 fans waiting on the dock to greet her. Quite literally the world's first superstar actor, far outshining Chaplin and Keaton at the time.

R356, if you read the thread to date you would realise that the points of which you are so dismissive were controversies earlier in it. Much was being made of Cleopatra's beauty and, while everyone knew the Egyptian one in the movie was the Cleopatra we were talking about, many people didn't know who she was and confused her with other Cleopatras.

It doesn't make you look knowledgeable to march in, contradict the last few people to comment, and flounce out.

[quote] march in

Awwww, honey.

Fun topic. I looked it up. There are many lists. Seems kylie kardash, Queen elizabeth, a bollywood actress & newscasters in india & china top a lot of the different charts. The men were the rock, usa presidents & tech guys (musk etc.)

Queen Elizabeth II can't have been more famous than Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria or Catherine the Great in their day. The first two have ages named after them and the other was Empress of Russia and was given that title for a reason.

Rosanne

Not anymore.

How do we know Cleopatra existed ? She could be a myth too

LaWanda Page

R383 Well, there were historians such as Diodorus Siculus who recorded history as they saw and heard it unfold at the time of Cleopatra.

It is interesting to note that none of the Roman and Greek historians during the reigns of Julius and Augustus Caesar noted the existence of a poor Jew proclaiming to be the Messiah and assembling a group of followers.

And don't give me the Josephus BS. He wrote some 40 years after the myth of crucifixion occurred.

Jesus did not begin His ministry until 16 years after Augustus' death, who died when Jesus was only 14 years old. Tiberius ruled at the time of His ministry, crucifiction, and resurrection.

God?

Mary. Venerated by both Christianity and Islam.

Mother Nature? (while we're on a mythical creatures kick...)

Gaia?

Bambi's mom? Her death traumatized millions.

Caitlyn Jenner.

R386 There is no historian who was contemporary to "Jesus" who wrote about him. Zero. There is no contemporaneous records of his existence.

And don't start on the Josephus BS (we always have to swat that down).

Debralee Scott

She couldn't hold an ice cream cone for god's sake.

Hi Angie.

(singing Different Worlds (Angie’s Theme) by Maureen McGovern using my own lyrics….

Let your pubes grow. Let the wind blow. See the sunshine.

Jobriath

r385 how do you know Diodorus Siculus wasn't lying ?

[quote]There is no contemporaneous records of his existence.

Oh, dear. *are

Now let's correct the statement. There are no [italic]surviving[/italic] records of his existence, except for his followers who became very well known. Judaism has had any number of Messiahs over the centuries. This one caught on. Almost all scholars agree he existed. They understand acknowledging his existence doesn't mean they believe he is the son of God. Why can't you?

that poor bitch who did Deep Throat and was forced to fuck dogs by her creepy hubby.

[quote]how do you know Diodorus Siculus wasn't lying ?

He's not the only source. There are Egyptian coins from her lifetime, inscriptions about her, etc. She was one of the Ptolemaic dynasty and we know what number she is within it. It's like asking how we know Queen Elizabeth I existed.

Ellen Travolta