Cyndi Lauper's career

Meh. I heard a recent live concert of Lauper when she first made it big. She didn't have much of a voice.

I was thinking about that recently too; even though Madonna had a bigger career, I think Cyndi's music stood the test of time in a way that Madonna's did not

I don't blame her, but the annoyingly overplaying playing of Girls Just Wanna Have Fun made feel absolutely homicidal. Still, I liked Cindy a lot and she actually wrote her own lyrics. ( Looking at you , Vladge). True Colors is a beautiful song that I love to this day.

Overplayed @ R3.

Meh. I lost all respect when she fought her landlord to keep her rent control apartment.

I like her wacky clothes and voice.

I thought everyone knew by now, OP -- she succumbed to the heartbreak of psoriasis!

R7 Four Yeeers Cleeer!

[quote]a recent live concert of Lauper when she first made it big

A what now?

I think Cyndi's plastic surgery has stood the test of time way better than Madonna's.

Cyndi just needs an Oscar to EGOT. She hasn't put out an album in a while. I hope she is working on new music. It would be unfortunate if her country album was her last release.

Cleah skin kin lee-ast!

Post-1980s: She did write the music and lyrics for Kinky Boots, which ran on Broadway for six years (2013-2019).

Madonna figured out how to keep herself constantly in the public eye, which in turn fueled interest in her music. She realized that fucking a slew of famous guys and engaging in constant attention-getting controversies and shenanigans, usually sexual in nature, would guarantee that she was never out of the media spotlight. The world always knew what she was up to, whether it wanted to or not.

Wacko Jacko had actually figured this out around the same time, but he sure as hell wasn't fucking any famous women (people were more inclined to believe that he was fucking Bubbles and Webster over Brooke Shields), and the controversies he tried to drum up just made him look like an insane weirdo, so he was unable to execute properly. Madonna executed the tactic to absolute perfection.

Cyndi, who was a bit older when she debuted, apparently thought she could sustain a superstar career with just a good voice, good material, and a quirky image. It was cute for a minute and an interesting little niche she carved out for herself, but the kooky broad is almost never the leading lady. And when she tried to step back from that image, she just seemed bland.

Still, the hits she managed to wrack up from those first two albums, many of which have endured as classics, ain't nothing to sneeze at.

She is unbelievably great in concert. A real musician. Has brought me to tears seeing her live.

I won concert tickets to her show back in the 80s when I was about 14. It was my first concert ever! Small venue and I got to rush the stage and touch her hair! I had fun but don’t remember her being an amazing performer. But then again I was 14 and excited to see a celebrity!

Cyndi Lauper was too gimmicky and weird for long-term stardom. It also didn't help that she waited too long to release her second album. She didn't keep the momentum going.

I don't ever need to hear Girls Just Wanna Have Fun again in my life...same for True Colors. They're just way too overplayed. But a lot of her other songs I really like:

Same Ol' Story

Into The Nightlife

Shine

Ballad of Cleo & Joe

You Don't Know

Come On Home

That's What I Think

She had that terrible eczema, OP.

I always preferred her to Madwomandonna.

She actually has something besides tawdry clothes.

[quote] Cyndi Lauper was too gimmicky and weird for long-term stardom. It also didn't help that she waited too long to release her second album. She didn't keep the momentum going.

What are you talking about? She had hits from her first album through the beginning of 1985, and then had a hit single from the film Goonies in the summer of 1985. Her second album came out in the summer of 1986 and had an immediate #1 hit, plus two other big singles, and the album sold well.

Team Cyndi

Love, love, LOVE Cyndi. Saw her in concert twice. One was around the time of "Twelve Deadly Cyns" at Town Hall in New York. She was fantastic. She did stop the song a couple of times because she wasn't happy with the way it sounded. So she's a bit of a perfectionist. But other than that, it was an exceptional show.

R9 good call. A recent release of live concert from early in her career.

[quote] She did stop the song a couple of times because she wasn't happy with the way it sounded. So she's a bit of a perfectionist.

She does this ALL the time. I've mentioned before that I saw her several times in the '90s and she did it at every show. It was so annoying that I stopped going to see her. She's a miserable person.

r21 back in those days waiting three years between albums was a long time.

She's so...unusual.

Madonna needs call Cindy's plastic surgeon stat

I saw in concert once, a decade or more ago. It was a Pride tour featuring several acts, such as B52s, Debrorah Cox (?) etc. Cyndi wasn't the headliner. She came out and did two songs from her then-new dance album (Set Your Heart, Into the Nightlife IIRC) then True Colors and GJWHF, and then she sashayed off to make way for Erasure.

I think Sherrell Aston did Cyndi's face. I know he did Debbie Harry's.

[quote] [R21] back in those days waiting three years between albums was a long time.

Except it wasn't three years, and her first album had one solid year of hits. And then another hit the summer after the run of her first album was done. Also, you stated that she waited too long between her first and second album. But her 2nd album WAS a hit.

Also, "in those days" 2-3 years was a normal amount of time between albums. It was the 50s-70s where an artist released an album every 9-12 months.

The second album did well. It was the third and fourth albums that were letdowns.

She's So Unusual came out in '83. True Colors was '86. The music scene changed a lot in those three years and while True Colors did well, it wasn't gangbusters. She only got one real hit off of it. And her image hadn't changed at all. She was getting stale already.

1983 was all about Boy George. 1986 was all about Bruce Hornsby. Amazing how fast things changed.

It was almost three years between True Colors and her third album, A Night to Remember. That may have been too long of a wait since ANTR flopped despite the top 10 hit "I Drove All Night." I thought it was a great album, but for some reason it just didn't catch on.

I find most of her music unlistenable today, especially the hits. They were most definitely of their time. And I was a rabid Cyndi fan for years.

Amazing talent. Incredible work ethic. Her memoir is terrific and she's done quite a bit of acting as well. She's finishing up her next broadway score with the stage version of "Working Girl." That's a lot more work than an album. Did you see her close out that semi-recent Kennedy Center Honors in tribute to Cher?! Fantastic! Love her, and we've barely mentioned her True Colors fund and work for the LGBTQ+ community. She once testified in Congress in support of LGBTQ rights. True Colors and Time After Time are standards that will be sung forever.

Same r36. Her music sounds stale now, unlike Madonna's. I still listen to Madonna's first album and it's still fantastic.

She drove all night...

A Night to Remember was a great album, much better than True Colors. But I Drove All Night, though a Top 10 hit, largely got there through payola and was up and down the chart very quickly. It didn't even make the Top 100 songs of 1989. Her second single from that album, My First Night Without You, barely cracked the bottom rungs of the Hot 100. It was a terrible choice for a follow-up single.

The B-side of My First Night Without You was an album reject called Unabbreviated Love. It wound up being used as the end credits song in Cyndi's follow up movie to Vibes, Off and Running, which came out in the mid-90s. It's my all time favorite song of hers.

No mention of the clever “She-Bops”? Was it really about female masturbation?

Hat Full of Stars is an incredible album. She's an artist, also a nut. She's cusp Gemini and Cancer - not a good combination.

She's been married for decades to a seemingly nice man and has been authentic in her support of the community. Fan here.

Career wise, a lot of artists don't sustain their peak. As mentioned, she has a good, solid work ethic and has kept at it. She sold out or almost sold out two shows at the Hollywood bowl a few years ago and gave a great show.

Also, for what it is worth, she's a far better actress.

R5 you must not live in NYC. I don't care how much money you have - no one gives up a rent controlled apartment unless they are going out feet first.

[quote] What happened?

The poor girl just couldn't keep up.

She is a good actress. I wish she had done more theater as a performer. I think she should have been nominated for a Tony in Threepenny Opera. There were so many roles she could have played, even in her 50s, because she looked so much younger.

[quote]She's cusp Gemini and Cancer - not a good combination.

Astrology is a pile of horseshit.

She Bop

R14- Very accurate history lesson of that time in music. IMHO, Madonna ruined pop music at the very least. I believe she is why it all went to shit. No talent auto tuned vacuous women dressed like they are going to work their street corner now. Their were some talented musicians who were never given the time and attention they deserved because Madonna was and did do absolutely anything for attention. The everyone from DJ's to the media enabled her because of the shock value. I was a huge fan of hers. She broke some barriers and did not give a drop of a fuck what tptb though about it, lol. If nothing else I will always have love in my heart for Madonna for the Courtney Love live MTV interview. Ooof! When CL went ass backwards in her chair in front of Loder and the world my friends and I howled.

"I Drove All Night, though a Top 10 hit, largely got there through payola and was up and down the chart very quickly. It didn't even make the Top 100 songs of 1989."

Really??!! That's the first time I heard that story. But it does make sense. It was a hit for a very brief time. I wonder why Epic bothered to go the payola route with "I Drove All Night" only to let the second single fade without a trace. You would think they would do it again so that the album gained some traction.

She was a far better singer and musician than Madonna. She needed to revamp her image after her first quirky shtick. She probably had a lousy manager.

I'm sure she's fine with the career she's had. Madonna is so...tedious. Cyndi isn't desperately hanging on to her youth.

R40, I did a search for "payola" and "I Drove All Night." The song did come up, but the payola seems to in connection to the Celine Dion version of the song, not Cyndi's.

[quote] Really??!! That's the first time I heard that story. But it does make sense. It was a hit for a very brief time. I wonder why Epic bothered to go the payola route with "I Drove All Night" only to let the second single fade without a trace. You would think they would do it again so that the album gained some traction.

Well, Payola will only take you so far. They weren't going to throw bad money after good. If no one wants to hear the first single and payola doesn't help it catch on organically, then they aren't going to keep spending money to push an even less commercial single. Cyndi had kind of run her course by then, as had most 80s acts. Even Duran Duran, arguably the biggest "80s" band that was still around at that time (The Police had disbanded) had a major fallow period where they couldn't get arrested before (briefly) having a comeback with Ordinary World. Cyndi was very tied to 80s gimmickry, and the public was ready to move on. Even Tina Turner was pretty much done by the end of the 1980s.

[quote]I think Cyndi's music stood the test of time in a way that Madonna's did not

Seriously?

The only Cyndi songs I still hear nowadays are Girls Just Want To Have Fun and Time After Time, meanwhile the Madonna hits I still hear regularly on radio are Holiday, Lucky Star, Into The Groove, Like A Virgin, Material Girl, Live To Tell, La Isla Bonita, Like A Prayer, Vogue and Take A Bow.

What ruined Cyndi's career was that wrestling shit.

R51, that case is a good decade and a half after the release of A Night to Remember, and all the songs/acts cited were from the 2000s.

Her voice aged better than madonna's

Also, R51, a quick search finds this article in the New York Times (which is likely behind a paywall for most) from 1998, which quotes...

[quote] In the last major scandal in the late 1980's, the ax fell on independent record promoters who, according to government charges, plied programmers with cocaine, prostitutes or as much as $100,000 in cash to play records by acts like Prince, Bruce Springsteen and Cyndi Lauper.

Thanks, R56. I wonder which songs by Prince and Bruce Springsteen needed help from Payola to become hits in the late 80s? They were both still pretty popular then.

She had 8 top 10 hits in the 80s, 2 going to #1

She had two multi platinum and one gold selling album, although she never had a #1 album

I don’t think she was considered “on par with Madonna “, the truth is Cyndi’s debut album was a slightly bigger hit than Madonna’s , especially out of the gate, selling 6 million in the US, Madonna’s debut sold 5 million, but was only at 2 million US sales before Like a Virgin came along

It was Cyndi‘a peak while Madonna was just getting started and then she released Like a Virgin and it became the biggest selling album by a female artist in history and from that she releases True Blue and Madonna beat her own record with TB eclipsing LAV as the biggest selling album by a female artist in history

Cyndi just couldn’t and maybe didn’t want to compete

R53 I work at Target and hear Madonna constantly on Target radio, not just the big hits but her lesser known songs like Get Together and Jump

R53 Madonna is also the most streamed pre 1990 female artist on all platforms, so that’s basically the DEFINITION of “standing the test of time “

When you’re streamed a lot by predominantly young people

Cyndi’s streams are impressive considering she’s only had about 1/5th the hits that Madonna had but even on YouTube, Cyndi’s ONE video (GJWTHF) had more than half of all her total YouTube views

And Cyndi has never released truly incredible albums like Ray of Light or Like a Prayer like Madonna has, albums that have been referenced as influences by tons of artists, Adele for instance lists Ray of Light as her all time favorite album

[quote] Thanks, [R56]. I wonder which songs by Prince and Bruce Springsteen needed help from Payola to become hits in the late 80s? They were both still pretty popular then.

If I had to guess (and I honestly don't know, as I was also surprised to see their names) I would say Prince's Lovesexy, which was considered somewhat of a disappointment both critically and commercially, and possibly the 2nd half of Tunnel of Love's singles releases. Coming off the monster success of Born in the USA, Sony had to be disappointed with the performance of the album, which had started to peter out after the 2nd single.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Sony had gone pay for play on Springsteen's Human Touch album in 1992, as that was a huge disappointment. Didn't he release two albums at the same time with a double sided single that flopped?

I was the BIGGEST Cyndi fan when I was a teen in the '80s. I almost wrote an essay but decided to condense it: bad management, bad decisions, and bad luck. I just watched her HBO concert from 1987 for 76th time. Her voice is great live, not lip-synced, but there are no dancers, no production, just her singing well live and it's a little boring: a 1970's style concert at a time when Janet Jackson and Madonna were putting on extravaganzas. She can sing, though, and they can't.

GJWHF has been viewed over 1 billion times on YouTube, a phenomenal amount for a cheap little video almost 40 years old.

Any Blue Angel fans?

R2 how has Cyndi’s music stood the test of time in a way Madonna’s hasn’t?I know delusion is real on the DL but after you make a system like that, I’m generally curious

I have seen Madonna albums on every list of greatest albums of all time (usually LAP and ROL), I’ve never seen Cyndi

ROL is still the blueprint for a female pop artist wanting to be taken seriously and arty and is still referenced as one of the all time greatest albums

[quote]She probably had a lousy manager.

I believe her husband was her manager, and we all know how that goes. Many, many examples of a female artist being managed by a husband/boyfriend who really has no idea WTF he's doing and often lets his ego get in the way. Always go with a professional, competent manager with a stellar track record. Madonna was no fool when she brought Freddy DeMann on board. He was impeccable.

Cyndi getting involved with that trashy WWF shit did her no favors, as the above poster mentioned. She was still at the height of her career, a big pop star, and that wrestling shit was so low rent. Also, her fan base was largely comprised of women and gay men who had ZERO interest in the WWF. Bad career move.

R65 Demann was MJ’s manager during the Thriller era, Madonna purposely went after him and got her way

Warner’s also spent a fortune pushing Madonna, she was their “priority act” but she had the album sales to back it up

I still can’t believe that EVERY album that Madonna released for the first 30 years of her career went either gold, platinum or multi platinum (a majority went multi platinum), even GH and remix albums, in the US

Not even Michael Jackson can claim that

Madonna also had Liz Rosenberg for PR, who is a legend in the Industry. She was arguably the best PR woman at that time.

Madonna is the sum of her parts. She was pretty...enough. She sang...well enough. She danced...well enough. She wasn't number one at any of them. But the most important thing she had going for her was her drive and savvy. I've never been a fan but have always admired her savvy. The one thing she couldn't do to any degree was act.

Madonna is back at Warner’s now, so expect a huge PR push from Warner’s, her back catalogue will be everywhere, leading up to her biopic release

Warner’s always took care of her

R69 Madonna also plays instruments, well enough but hardly spectacular

Madonna is the biggest female recording star there ever was, and with the bottomless pit the recording industry has become, no one will ever surpass her. I don't give a shit how many bullshit streams people like Rihanna or Ariana Grande or Gaga get, Madonna made her bones at a time when people put their money up to support artists.

I remember back in the 2000s, Splash bar in NYC used to play a video that started off with Celine Dion singing I Drove All Night, and then about 30 seconds in, the video cut to an old B&W clip of Donna Reed pulling a record off a record player and smashing it to bits. Then after that, the song switched to Cyndi's version.

I guess Splash knew which version the gays liked!

People were turned off by the fact that she couldn't pronounce rainbow correctly.

Madonna had a cultural impact that no artist today could ever have. Even Beyonce. The fucking Pope himself threatened to excommunicate her from the Catholic Church FFS. That's a kind of star power that doesn't exist anymore. Nobody is that famous or influential.

R72 true to be fair though record labels have a hand in pushing streams

When Madonna was at Imterscope the last 10 years, Warner didn’t promote or push her back catalogue, now that she’s back at Warner’s, Warner’s is already pushing the hell out of her back catalogue and playlisting her songs , it pushes up her streaming numbers as her songs are now on the bigger streaming playlists

Madonna screwed up by leaving Warner’s for that $120 million 360 deal with Live Nation as it focused more on her touring and less on her albums

That is so true r72. Back then people had to get off their asses, go to a store and pay cash money for music.

Females artist with most #1 albums of all time worldwide

1. Madonna -275

Next , way down is Taylor Swift whose albums topped the charts in different countries 123 times

Female artists with the most #1 singles worldwide

1. Madonna- 264

2. Rihanna- 153

Damn Madonna

Oh and Janet didn’t make the top 10 on either list

Local artist

R72 = Madonna.

"Warner’s also spent a fortune pushing Madonna, she was their “priority act” but she had the album sales to back it up."

So did Warner's also play the Payola game with Madonna? It DOES seem weird that she had so many consecutive hits during the 80s. Even bland stuff like "Angel" and "Live to Tell" went to No. 5 and No. 1, respectively, even though they were really weak and virtually tuneless.

R80 Live to Tell was a great song

I don’t think Warner’s got involved in payola, SONY was big on it

Madonna actually had more top 40 hits in the 90s than she did in the 80s

[quote] Even bland stuff like "Angel" and "Live to Tell" went to No. 5 and No. 1, respectively, even though they were really weak and virtually tuneless.

Live to Tell was hardly bland and tuneless. It was a great song and a huge hit. Payola doesn't get you to #1. Madonna didn't need any payola.

I would actually say what helped Angel was that its B-side (for the 12") was Into the Groove, which was not on any album and not commercially available anywhere else. Angel hit the Top 5 on the Hot 100 on the strength of its sales, which were largely powered by people buying it for Into the Groove.

I was a big Madonna fan in the 80s, but I never understood the popularity of "Live to Tell." I just thought it was very somber and dirge-like. People kept telling me what a great song it was, but I never felt it. Well, at least other people liked it.

"Into the Groove" was on the B-side of the 12-inch version of "Angel," not the single version, R82. I know. I bought both.

Forgot to add: 12-inch sales do not have an impact on Hot 100 placement. At least they didn't back then.

R82 1985 was insane for Madonna comparable to The Beatles in the 60s and MJ during the 83/84 Thriller era

Cyndi was popular and had a top 10 hit with that Goonies song but no one could compete with Madonna at that time, she really did the impossible, a female artist being as huge as the biggest male artists, first woman to have a studio album sell over 5 million in the US, on its way to over 10 mi, fist woman too have 2 songs in the top 10 at the same time for multiple weeks, first female artist to be named Billboards #1 selling artist of the year in the 30 year history of the magazine etc

[quote] I think she should have been nominated for a Tony in Threepenny Opera

Though, she did win a Tony award for Best Original Score for "Kinky Boots." Wiki says she was the first solo woman to win that award. So, she's got three of the top four awards (Emmy, Grammy, Tony).

I know that, R84. I said that.

The 12 inch since counted for singles sales. I just pulled this out of an NPR article about chart performance.

[quote] For its first 40 years, the Hot 100 was a singles chart. Billboard's ironclad rule was that a song had to be available for sale as a 45, a 12-inch maxi-single, a cassingle or a CD-single to make the big chart — no album cuts, no promotional-only tracks just for radio or DJs.

Angel's 12 inch sales absolutely counted as singles sales. Because ITG was not designated as a single, all the sales went towards Angel.

Than there was also the Macy’s merchandise tie in with Madonna, where she had her own fashion line in every Macy’s all over the country and other memorabilia were sold there, the section was called “Madonna Land”

The one in NYC and at other Macy’s would even hold Madonna lookalike contests on weekends

Can you imagine Target or Walmart doing that today for Billie Ellish or even Taylor Swift?

whoops, that should read 12 inch single, not since. Pardon me.

Cyndi didn't play the fame game as well as other people did. No controversies, no fistfights, no movie star boyfriends, no tabloid headlines... just vocal talent.

Who let in the rain was a nice hit, probably her best song.

R92 except it wasn’t a hit It failed to make the Billboard Hot 100 in 1993

Cyndi also sang the fun and memorable theme song to "Pee-wee's Playhouse" under the name "Ellen Shaw."

How many times a month do the Eldergays start a thread talking about Cyndi Lauper once having a hit record in the 80s? Oh yeah, and that she and Madonna came on the "scene" at the same time.

I'm sure no one compared them, now or then. Cyndi has a more powerful voice but not a good one. Her singing was too faux punk stylized. Gimmicky.

Madonna is a gimmick too - but was far more attractive and with better songs. Sexy. Even a nicer tone to her very limited vocal ability.

Cyndi Lauper was vocally weak and out of tune at the Cher tribute trying to rock out "If I Could Turn Back Time." She sure proved that she can't.

She's one of those artists who had a bit MORE success than her talent warrants. True Colours is not a genius song, sorry. A 12 year old could write that melody.

[quote][R92] except it wasn’t a hit It failed to make the Billboard Hot 100 in 1993

Does that make it a bad song, r93?

R93 That doesn't mean it flopped everywhere.

Of course this thread was made with one purpose- to drag Madonna.

Lauper did NOT write many of her hits you fucking dimwits. Look it up. Her voice is annoying as hell (I see ya twue cowas) and her music was very meh. She didn’t have what it takes to make it long term. You can try to blame this or that or come up with all the excuses you want but the public had sufficient by 1986.

Yes, Who Let in the Rain was a ridiculous choice as the leadoff single for Hat Full of Stars. They should have gone with That's What I Think, which was the 2nd single, but by then, the damage was done. Not that it's likely That's What I think would have been huge or anything, but it was a much more commercial song than Who Let in the Rain, which is just the dreck of all dreck, not even fit for album filler.

Who let in the rain was a great song, and romantic songs were popular in the 1990s, can't imagine them ever being popular now.

[quote] Lauper did NOT write many of her hits you fucking dimwits. Look it up.

Actually she co-wrote a little more than half her chart singles. Look it up.

R95 to be fair Cyndi didn’t write True Colors, it was written by the same men who wrote Madonna ‘s Like a Virgin

Her biggest streaming smash (GJWTHF) was actually a cover, a man sung the original

Cyndi has GJWTHF, Time After Time and TC, just one in which she wrote

Madonna has Like a Virgin, Material Girl, Into The Grove, Live To Tell, Papa Don’t Preach, La Isla Bonita, Like a Prayer, Express Yourself, Vogue, Justify My Love, This Used to be My Playground, Erotica, I’ll Remember, Secret, Take a Bow, You’ll See, the Evita songs, Frozen, Ray of Light, Power of Goodbye, Music, Don’t Tell Me, Doe Another Day, Hung Up, 4 Minutes, Give Me All Your Luvin etc

She has very, very limited appeal. Deal with it. Even the weaker in every way Janet had far more appeal. Far more. Janet is more talented than Cyndi.

^^^^^^^^

HAHAHAHA, NOPE!

Bones and Booth tie the knot...

R101 we did. She didn’t.

R102 No contest. Madonna >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cyndi in every fucking way.

R96 did I say it was a bad song, I simply said it wasn’t a hit, as the poster referred to that song as a hit, which it wasn’t, I said nothing about the quality of the song

Who the fuck likes Cyndi Lauper’s terrible voice? Nails on a chalkboard. Boy she TRIES to be seen as this big voice singer. She’s so try hard and no one gives one fuck about her.

R102 here, Madonna also has her hits from her debut album (Burning Up, Holiday, Borderline, Lucky Star) plus Crazy For You, Dress You Up, Angel, The Who’s That Girl soundtrack, Beautiful Stranger etc

[quote] [R101] we did. She didn’t.

Cyndi co-wrote 22 of her singles. You might want to take a fucking seat.

[quote] She has very, very limited appeal. Deal with it. Even the weaker in every way Janet had far more appeal. Far more. Janet is more talented than Cyndi.

Oh for fuck's sake, fat ass gorilla Jabba has arrived. Time to fumigate the thread.

Both were "downtown" or "quirky" when they first emerged, but then Madonna must have gone to a double feature of Body Double and Breathless and went from pudgy (but fun!) slut to edgy high-end escort. Cyndi didn't have much sex appeal.

R110 but she only helped write 4 of her 8 top 10 singles

Well then, r113, let's just burn her at the stake!!!

[quote] [R110] but she only helped write 4 of her 8 top 10 singles

Which would be half. You still wanna keep pushing or do you want to admit you're wrong?

Cyndi imagines herself a musical genius. She's not. I can't stand Madonna as a person or public image, but she is far more musically gifted, inventive and moving as a recording artist and singer. Madonna has a golden warm centre to her otherwise thin voice. That sweet spot is very beautiful and even her light untrained voice is extremely rhythmic and musical.

I like this by Cyndi Lauper - only because it's a favorite tune, simply done. Many others could sing it as well. But for her, it's good work. She respects the song and delivers it pretty.

I saw her maybe fifteen years ago opening for Cher on one of her “farewell” tour stops at the Boston Garden. Cyndi had the crowd in the palm of the hand so firmly that Cher’s performance was a letdown.

R116 the thing that Madonna did, that she hasn’t really done with her last couple of albums, was every album was autobiographical and where she was as an artist at that time

This she invites listeners in and we follow her journey and relate to her

Erotica was Madonna in 92/93

Ray of Light was Madonna in 98/99 (almost the polar opposite of Erotica Madonna)

The politically charged American Life was Madonna of 2003 etc

Kinky Boots the musical all time gross = $318,990,092. 5% of gross is 15 million.

Yes, of course R118. I wasn't born until the early 80s, so they are both revisionist to me. But we all grew up with some Madonna. And I know a bit about music. Madonna is important. She will be viewed that way again one day. She's not helping her legacy. Maybe she gets that too and doesn't give a fuck?

I don't want to sound too pretentious but I think that Madonna WAS a musical artist and Cyndi was just "artsy." There's nothing organic about any of her music. She's not so unusual. She works hard and puts on a show. She manages to be both loud and pretentious. Lauper is a very unpleasant woman, to everyone. That I know.

Lord, the DL has an anti-Lauper loon.

"Lauper is a very unpleasant woman, to everyone. That I know."

Examples, please.

Most of the world are anti-Lauper "loons." Who the fuck is she? She's a virtual unknown to anyone under 50.

I am 39. And I have ears. And my hearing. And my talent. I'll leave it at that.

I have seen Cyndi in concert multiple times, and it was always a great show. Her pre-release tour for Hat Full of Stars was at a tiny venue in Denver, The Gothic. It was standing room only, and I was pressed right up against the stage. She borrowed my pen to sign a painting of her that someone else had brought.

She performed the entirety of Hat Full of Stars in album order, and it was incredible. She did a few of her hits as an encore. At the time, Boycott Colorado was going on, so most artists were boycotting Colorado, due to the passage of Amendment 2, which was an anti-gay constitutional Amendment. She played, and donated all the proceeds from the show to the fight to overturning the amendment, which prevented local governments from enacting anti-discrimination laws protecting gays, lesbians, and bisexuals from discrimination.

The show was incredible, and the album was great as well, but by that point her label had stopped supporting her.

I saw her again a few years later when she was touring to promote Sisters of Avalon. She was opening for Tina Turner, and by that point Tina's people, and later Cher's, provided tour support for her, as the label was basically ignoring her at that point.

She wound up leaving Sony, and signed with Edel America, and her album Shine was supposed to be released on September 11th, 2001. Edel was in the process of folding, so the album didn't come out until 2004, and then only in Japan. America got an EP with a few songs from the album.

She wound up back with Sony again for At Last.

Ohhhh, r124, the Gothic...

That's the one, R125!

It's the only Gothic in Denver that I knew of, r126.

R116, R118, R120

You get it.

Lauper is a nobody for many reasons. I don’t find her appealing. I find (or found) Madonna very appealing. When Lauper wrote her songs, most weren’t hits. Speaks volumes. She’s also smugly pretentious. So is Madonna. So is Mariah. They can at least point to actual huge sales to back it up. Lauper seems to think she’s OWED a bigger career. And no, Madonna didn’t steal your career. It would have tanked with or without Madonna around.

comparing Cyndi Lauper and Madonna is tired and cliche. They are nothing like each other.

R128, hardly a nobody? Who are you exactly? Are your shelves weighed down by your many music awards and a United Nations award?

Mmmmhmmm. Thought so.

[quote]Lauper is a nobody for many reasons. I don’t find her appealing. I find (or found) Madonna very appealing.

r128 HAS SPOKEN!!!

[quote]Lauper seems to think she’s OWED a bigger career

Link?

R129 oooooooo many awards! WoW. The industry patting ass kissers on the back with awards. PRINCE was hardly EVER awarded shit and he SHITS on Lauper in every way imaginable talent wise. No one remembers this bitch except a very few.

Cyndi still has a career, all these years later - including a Tony.

Madonna can lick my wizened ass.

Only one loon is trying to make this a Madonna v Cyndi matter. And I suspect that loon is Jabba, trying to turn people against Madonna.

Last time I checked sweetheart the UN was giving out awards, nor were the Tonys, like candy. She's the only female songwriter to win the award for won for Kinky Boots.

Remind us of your accomplishments?

I like a lot the pop divas. Unlike some tacky faggots, I don't have to pit women against other women.

I had no idea you could be so trolly, FCI.

Jabba was probably also likely the one trying to get posts going about Rebel Heart.

Tragic Jabba!

[quote] Unlike some tacky faggots, I don't have to pit women against other women.

Janbot.

Madge first came onto the scene without revealing who she was...

allegedly, they only played her music on 'urban' (black) radio stations...

whereas Cyndi was unconventional from her looks to her attitude to her music videos...

she didn't take much seriously in her early career.

we only start to see that shift in the mid to late 90s.

whereas Madge was always thirsty for fame

and willing to cheat, lie,, steal to get it as quickly as possible

This is seriously tragic right here...

Didn't she have handlers or a manager to shake her and say, "Wake up...you are making a joke of your career!"?

Why was she doing this when she should have been focusing on a huge tour to promote her hit album?

Link? Ask her, R130. Cyndi Lauper is obnoxious and bitter about everything. In her comical voice of course. She's had a good career. The Three Penny Opera too. Most everything she does got mostly bad reviews. She's had just enough accolades and luck and guts to keep it going. She "artistic." And some of her covers are good. But there is not a moment of genuine emotion in anything she does. Some early punky joy. Before my time. She's a musical fraud and fake ally. Not a gentle soul at all in real life. Cyndi is the one who talks about Madonna in interviews, because why would Madonna remember Cyndi Lauper? Celine buried Cyndi Lauper without even knowing who she was. Cyndi is one of the "gay" singing celebrities. Like Liza, Cher, Bette, Blondie and Sandra Bernard. They've had mainstream success but would not have any career today without OLD gay men who still come out to the Gothic Theatre in Denver. Can't shake their ass no more but it shakes on its own. 🤣

How dare Cyndi Lauper cover Marvin Gaye? Yikes.

Because...she wanted to?

While Madonna was hanging out with Warhol, Haring and Basquiat...Cyndi was yukking up with these goons:

Cyndi has three songs that are bigger than anything Madonna has ever done and she didn’t have to do cheap stunts to keep her music alive, people just like them still.

R144 Now that’s funny!

R132 It ALWAYS comes back to Madonna. This thread was made to attack Madonna. You guys can’t breathe without making something about Madonna.

Cyndi just isn’t that good.

Ahhh FCI, you sly puss.

[quote] Cyndi has three songs that are bigger than anything Madonna has ever done

LOL.

Damn...she even had to slum it years later and go back....

R146 It’s DL. I’m no saint. :)

she had many wrestler friends, weird comedic friends, public access personalities, old actors, upcoming actors --- and she remains the quintessential figure of the early 80s & NYC because of it.

90s she veered into trad. folk. - while her own (the hooters) may have been eclipsed by others, she began branching out more as a music interpreter and writing for a wide host of other genres.

her distinctive voice and style of sing was a blessing & a curse

but she bopped her way into the hearts of Americans by just having fun

r141 reminded me that I have to go take a shit

R151 That’s where Cyndi’s career went so it’s logical

True colors, gjwhf and time after time are everywhere . GJWHF has over a billion views on youtube. No Madonna song comes close.

Janbot is on a tear.

These days, I'm embarrassed for Madonna. She's even more embarrassing than Whitney was at the end because Houston had a real drug problem. Madonna is just a sad narcissist who doesn't realize the time to get off the main stage happened a long time ago and she's still waiting in the wings like she's going back on at any moment.

I'm not for other legacy acts like Tina Turner, Lauper, Celine, Benatar, Elton John. Some acts have longer legs than others. Art is subjective. You can like or not like an artist for their work.

However everyone can judge an old hooker prancing around on Instagram like she is 30 years younger than she is.

in the 80s,

Madonna was for wannabe rebellious girls who dreamed of a having a baby to get back at mom and dad

Cyndi was too safe and family friendly for those dirty dancing whores

Cyndi was as phony and contrived as any pop star. Dancing whores? She danced like a bear but she whored herself out for attention like the best of them. Cyndi had an dull edge and a powerful voice. Her voice was harsh and shrill. She tried on different looks and styles like the rest of them. She was never "friends" with wrestlers. She was friends with gimmicks. She went on Johnny Carson or Letteman and talked like a deranged baby with her lips turned inside out. Lauper is a very contrived performer. One of the least loyal to her band and fellow musicians and backup singers. Of all time. Shamefully misguided and rude.

She grew older and tried other things - but kept an incessant need to put her "spin" on things. Most often to her detriment. She's campy, but not even classic at that. Her wave is very specific to about a 7 year time frame in the 80s. I liked some of her hiccuping country album. But real country artists hated being made fun of by her. She's an ass.

Lauper was like a less pretty, inventive, genuine, sophisticated or talented Gwen Stefani. We ❤ Gwen.

The WWF fiasco was mostly David Wolf, her manager at the time - and her boyfriend. Cyndi could have said no, however. The WWF audience was never hers.

I would say that she was a contemporary of Madonna, but no woman has ever had Madonna's career/pop culture influence, so I'm not sure why anyone would compare them except that they were around at the same time. I'm a fan of both but while I like the maudlin Time After Time better than any Madonna song (I was entranced as a toddler wandering the tv section while my parents shopped for furniture), there's no denying that M had more hits.

r157 if you didn't catch the dirty dancing reference, rounding out the type of attitude I'm going to grind on the help, that will show dad-eye and mom-eye then either you're merely too young or just old and senile... or maybe just one too many butt injections

Madonna is a plastic surgery ridden prostitution whore! Fucking 20 year olds.

R154 Because Madonna has not had a record company since 2008. Now that she is getting back with Warner Bros, watch her streaming numbers skyrocket. Also, Warner pulled ALL their artists off YouTube in 2006 for 4 years. Madonna had tens of millions of views all wiped out. When they put their artists back on YouTube, their views started at ZERO.

Their careers played out exactly as they should have. People liked Madonna and most importantly her music. Cyndi has just two big songs. No true career after 1986. She’s unpleasant. Her voice is unpleasant. IDGAF about how Madonna acts now. Cyndi is shilling Big Pharma drugs in commercials. That’s embarrassing.

R161 You say that as if it is a bad thing. I can feel you shaking and crying through the screen.

R2 It has? I find the music to be extremely dated. Her first album came out around the same time as Madonna’s and I feel like it’s 2 different generations. Cyndi seems more old frau to me.

Oh Christ, you Madonna worshipers are a gigantic pain in the ass….

R160. Huh? I'm too young. My post was far too insightful and full of real musical content to concern myself with your incoherent sense of slight. Are you drunk? Most Cyndi Lauper fans are.

r163 Dolly can look like the crypt keeper, Cher can have implants on her back but Madge is a cunt that deserves to be dragged for her fake pedo ass.

r2 madge is tired old whore music while cyndi experiences a revival every time someone watches the goonies with their kids.

R155 Is that English?

Bottom line is that Madonna is a much shrewder business woman. That's the only reason her career has far exceeded Lauper's in every cultural aspect. Madonna's savvy business provided her more control over her career, the opportunities to negotiate more advantageous contracts, brought her access to the most creative minds in the industry & enabled her to cultivate a prolific catalog that still has legacy value.

After reading her autobiography it was clear that Lauper let her emotions impede much of her career's potential. I don't think Madonna ever had that problem, separating her business from her personal feelings. Plus, getting involved with the whole wrestling thing in the 80s may have sold a load of Lauper's records in the moment, but attaching herself to a Saturday morning fad offered no road to legitimacy. Also, True Colors was a stale, soulless sophomore album. For many of us who were such fans of She's So Unusual, True Colors was a huge letdown--weak, childish & offered no reason to invest in anything she released afterwards. It attempted to accommodate the young fans she accumulated through her wrestling association while, wittingly or not, it neglected the fans who appreciated the maturity & meaty depth of She's So Unusual. Nothing she's done since has been as good.

The "ancient white fags" mental case troll is all over this thread. Just put him on ignore.

A lot of artists have only had one or sometimes two good albums in them.

R169 Excuses excuses. The bottom line is no one liked her after 1986. Period. The gaslighting about Madonna being a shrewd businesswoman and that’s why she blew away every woman (and almost every man) in popularity and sales isn’t going to fly anymore. Even when people hated her (think. 92-94) Madonna’s music was still selling strong, her concerts were selling out, and her music was in demand. It was always about the music and Madonna’s was far superior and actually liked by the world. Yes, the world.

Once it became clear that her accent and persona were totally fake, people lost interest.

R170 IS the ancient white f@g mental case! Already on ignore. But it posts from so many different dee-vices that I can never get rid of it.

He's just so OLD. And not the least bit unusual. Racist, misogynist, hateful, threatening, diapered and OLD. He posts hundreds of times a day. Sad OLD man.

F&F them ALL!

R169 Bought her access to the most creative minds? You mean HER OWN? Cyndi had the same opportunities. She wasn’t a better songwriter as Madonna and Madonna had a more pleasant voice. And was prettier. Every songwriter who wrote with Madonna, even the prickly David Foster (who said she was the ONLY pop star he worked with who truly earned a producer credit) said she wrote most of her lyrics, wrote most of the melody, and wrote every bridge. Pat Leonard, Rick Knowles and many others, who have written HUGE hits for other artists, say Madonna was among the best songwriters they’ve ever worked with.

R86 = Madonna.

R176 Mentally weak who probably is ugly, hasn’t had sex, and imprints on female pop stars who attract the mentally weak.

Fuck Madonna. Who hasn't?

The Madbot is as insufferable as Janbot. Two rotting fat cunts!

You don't have to like Madonna to know that Cyndi Lauper was a minor talent with a totally contrived way of singing.

R178 & r179 Yet you’d trade your fave’s career for Madonna’s in a heartbeat.

R181 The idiots in the 80’s and 90’s who made that talentless Italian hooker a thing had zero taste.

R182 Cry less.

It’s too bad that many, now older, gay men, REFUSE to remove their heads out of Madonna’s ass.

R183 Eat shit, Easily impressed moldie oldie!

R184 wow you’re really fucked up on the head.

R186 = Madonna’s underpaid personal assistant.

R187 listen to she bop and go grind ur pussy to dust, wus.

Who is "FCI"?

By the way, this thread has devolved into psychodrama.

She Bop ain't exactly groundbreaking. Fuck you guys are old. Euphemism for female masturbation - shocking! It's not a bad song though. Cyndi recorded many more worse. She ain't a ballad singer with that adenoidal sound and affected way of singing. Dumb spelling of her name. She's phonier than the most contrived. She does sound better on harder edge or faster paced songs. Hiccuping her way through them. I guess she was fresh in 1984? I was one years old.

He Bop, Still.

R189 I post in the Treason threads when they aren’t subscribe only. I’ve actually told posters on those threads I can’t stand the diva wars so post in them and I put certain fan bases on blast. You cannot have one semi-normal conversation about any female singer without it blowing up so I just go with it. No shame.

r190 = ancient white fags troll. His opinion is worthless, as always.

The Diva Wars would be fine, if people just said - " I really loved Cyndi Lauper and I think she had better music than Madonna."

But that's not what they say.

They talk like the 82 year old man @ R192. They say someone is a troll for having better taste than them. Or being more than 40 years younger. Or having real knowledge and experience in the music business and singing.

Some OLD WHITE FAT FAGS on DL can't stand when better looking men with better lives point out that their elder elder elder gay's disco/gloryhole/bathhouse/getting fucked to bad music days are long past.

And that most of the best music is by black artists. Now and then. It's hard fo RACIST OLD FAGS like R192 to be informed by better, younger and less troubled MEN.

So that's what's it's all about. On Twitter, Stans will fight over Mariah, Xtina, Rihanna or Beyonce. But we're all younger men who disagree about the MUSIC.

No one ever fights over Whitney or Aretha. They are head and shoulders above all others. Everyone of every age knows this. Not on DL. Cuz this site is full of ancient white racist disco f@gs.

And no one ever mentions Streizand or Dionne Warwick. On twitter or in life. They are forgotten.

R192 is an abomination! That's his old diseased ASS word for handsome black men, like me. A king.

He'll say something "acceptably" racist in his response. He got the message from before. Old diseased-hole bitch grampa was BANNED from DL. Like that hideous Miss Warwicke. They like to talk about the music that they got fucked to in 1967. When they were 30. The hole remembers when.

^^oh just fucking kill yourself. Freak.

R193 What?

Did you say young fans fight over Mariah, Xtina, Rihanna, and Beyoncé on Twitter? No younger people like any of them except Beyoncé. Mariah is a one note Christmas act now. No one listens to any of her other songs. Xtina? No. Rihanna. NOW? No. People DO argue about Whitney because it isn’t all about a voice. Her catalog leaves a lot to be desired. Most singers aren’t big voices and that is great by me.

r195 he's a troll who's fucking nuts and he's been on DL for awhile. Don't argue with him.

Except you're wrong. You don't even have a Twitter account, R195. People don't discuss Whitney's "catalogue" on twitter - you ancient fucking goof. Your CAPS give you away. Haha. Old man.

You're just an alternate account for R194/196. All y'all are being reported to every possible place right now.☮️

R197 We’re being reported? Ahahahahahahahaha

Your unhinged rants have given me life. I know you’re crying like a lil B. You type BPD.

OP, you know Cyndi Lauper wrote music for "Kinky Boots"? You know that, don't cha?

R199 So you can’t write for decades and suddenly writes that? Yeah RIGHT! Ghost written by someone else.

On another note there is Ms. Lauper's humanitarian work on behalf of LGBT community, in particular young homeless gay, lesbian and trans youth of color. That alone speaks volumes as many other white famous persons or performers don't give a rat's ass about LGBT issues that don't directly affect them (read gay marriage, adoption of children, etc...), and care even less (if that's possible) about minorities in the community of any age.

Because Madonna was prettier and sexier.

Don't fight with him R193. This poster is protected by Data Lounge. He is a very old man and some of us found out in unpleasant ways. He harrasses many posters from multiple accounts and this is TOTALLY allowed here. That is all I can say. He is a racist and more.

I am younger than you King. Never heard of Cindy Lauper. But we all know Madonna and the emotions she provokes here. I watched Cindy on YouTube a few songs this hour and I thought she was a RuPaul's Drag Race performer! She is pretty extra and silly with a not nice voice. The hopping around and making faces add nothing to her singings. Was she a wrestler to?

For many reasons I am glad to not be alive in the 1980's.

Stay strong King. Stop fighting this old man. He chases poster all over this site and is obviously not very well in his mind or body. But he has "special clearance" on DL and we can't get rid of him. He is a very bad old man. The worst of life. Not only gay life. Block every single post. He has new access everyday. Many accounts. He stocks posters who attrack him.

Datalounge is one of the more corrupt websites for gay men.

We have others. I enjoy when I meet you there. We can fight about Whitney's catalog. Haha. ;-)

Good lord r203. You're the ancient white fags poster on another account, talking to yourself. You really are BPD.

This sad old man whom I discussed tries to deflect at R204. But the truth is out there. It is here. Thousands of posts a day. We must now block another one of his multiple accounts. Dont fight with him anymore, King. He has an old mans disease and anceint perceptions. But his spirit is evil and his disease is contagious.

His tactics and connections are VERY close to the inner working of Datalounge. He is modern in his hatred and protected by his position here. So his toxic ass, hateful soul and illegal harrassement of posters are allowed to continue.

Block his sickness. F&F the old man. Thank the universe that gay men are no longer programmed to be so faggy, shallow and crippled in spirit.

God bless Him. Tonight. While he sleeps.

I ❤ you too, ML. (thanks)

r205/r206 = ancient white fags troll talking to himself again. What a nut.

The ancient white fags troll (Martalira is one of his accounts) thinks he has the power to tattle on people and get them redtagged but he really does not

^granny said tattle^

diaper change time

The Cyndi fans are certifiable. It is always about Madonna. Always. Well, everything is about the alpha, I guess. They blame Madonna or make excuses for why the public moved on after True Colors. It is never Cyndi’s fault. It is always Madonna’s (for being better in every way), or the public’s (for moving on from her boring, tired antics).

I just find it amusing that Cyndi got a rep for being "the real", naturally talented singer and Madonna not. And I can testify that they were equally untrained, pitchy, narrow and unreliable at the start. Cyndi learned to sing before, and arguably better, than Madonna ever did. They both got pretty good. I like them both and it's not a competition. They are so different.

R211 That was all a coordinated effort to tarnish Madonna. When teens from around the world (and here) are introduced to Madonna’s music, none of them think she “can’t sing”. 99% say she has a great voice (she does and it is not thin it is untrained). Clive has apologized to Madonna for planting that negative narrative about her in conservative media.

R633 A Blue Angel fan here. Their new wave retro sound was incredible. It was The Crystals meet the Ventures with a modern edge. I saw them 4-5 times around NYC and even in NJ. I spoke with Cyndi and the band each time. The band and their sound was amazing and the always gave a great live performance. I kept waiting for their second album that was supposedly finished and was soon to be released, but it never was due to problems with the record company. When Cyndi later released a solo album I was angry with her at first because I liked the band's sound so much. But when I heard her first album, although it had a different contemporary sound, I realized she did good. I still miss Blue Angel and the career they may have had.

I was 12 when She's So Unusual was released. Cyndi was fresh and exciting and "Girls" was everywhere but somehow not annoying (that would come much later, after years of it being used in commercials, etc). I really liked that album and I liked *her. "

Fast forward two years and 11 months later, when she finally released her follow-up album, True Colors. In the meantime, Madonna had released THREE albums that were all mega-smashes, starred in a movie that did well critically and financially (and since the plot was focused on her but she didn't really have much to do other than strut around looking cool and saucy, we didn't mind that much that she was really stiff and awkward as an actress).

By that point in time, late 1986, Cyndi felt old hat. Madonna had completely stolen her thunder. Sorry, but it's true.

I think many of you claiming that Cyndi didn't lose a ton of momentum between her first and second albums weren't even alive when they were released, so you don't really know what it was like. I lived through it and at exactly the age when people are obsessed with pop music.

Belinda Carlisle was bigger than both of them.

Now there's a Belindabot?

Belinda really CANNOT sing. Not one note. Not even Happy Birthday. She is terrible in every way. With raisins in it.

Did anyone like Cyndi's At Last album? I love it, and the accompanying concert special.

Must everything be a contest?

R218 At Last is awesome. Probably one of her best later career releases.

What was the album of standards that she released that had such piss poor engineering on it that you could barely hear the songs?

I was so disappointed with that one.

CBS/Epic dropped the ball on most of their female pop roster in 1989/90 since Tommy Mottola was fixated on Mariah Carey and, at that time, redirected most of the resources and effort into making her a star.

CBS was also pushing Celine Dion during that time. HARD.

Guess What? Celine, Mariah and Madonna are the biggest female artists of ALL TIME! They deserved record label attention.

Cyndi Lauper is like Liza Minnelli. No one enjoys listening to her recorded voice. She doesn't sell records because she sounds like a baboon taking a shit. Lauper is a "unique" performer - and a pretty irritating singer.

Hey now, hey now....

[quote]She has very, very limited appeal. Deal with it. Even the weaker in every way Janet had far more appeal. Far more. Janet is more talented than Cyndi.

Saw Cyndi AND Janet sing live five feet in front of me from the front row at the same venue, the Jones Beach Theater on Long Island at different times and Cyndi gets my vote.

Perhaps Cyndi would have had a better career if, when invited to perform live on television, would have performed something else besides "Time After Time."

Seriously, she drove that fuckin' song into the ground.

One of the most pathetic live performances in history?

^ A baboon taking a shit. Sounds like most all of her performances to be honest. Not so unusual.

I think Boy Blue should have been the second single off the True Colors album. Change of Heart kind of sucked and the video was worse, just my opinion, it slowed the album's momentum.

Comparing Madonna to Lauper is like comparing Britney to Aguilera or Streisand or Garland. Take your fandom out of the equation. There are women that can sing and there are women that can flash their tits.

So Lauper flashes her tits? Streisand does.

R231 Makes no sense. Lauper, for one, isn’t anywhere near the leagues of those other women. Face it, the public just moved on from Lauper. She isn’t all that talented.

[quote] So Lauper flashes her tits? Streisand does.

Her 79-year-old fun bags? They must look like water balloons when they're filled up by only about 25%.

Barbara flashes ASS and TiTs and still can't get a hit record! She's no Cyndi Lauper as a vocalist.

R172... You're a special type of moron. I was giving Madonna a compliment, comparing a strong point of hers to one of Lauper's obvious weaknesses. Even the most creative people in the arts will end up getting left behind without the shrewd sense of business it takes to navigate continued success in the entertainment industry. That's exactly what it takes to become associated with those in the upper reaches, those whose names get records played, because they make money if you make money. If someone isn't able to bring the business aspect to their craft there's no David Foster, no Clive Davis, no Jam & Lewis, no Diane Warren--none of these people will be waiting to work with you simply because you're a killer singer or an ace songwriter. Busting your ass in the studio, contributing artistically to the process--none of this matters if there's no promise of a payday. Sure, projects flop, but the big business names wanted to work with Madonna over Lauper because Madonna is a good business woman, bottom line. It wasn't her talent, it wasn't because someone like Foster said she worked tirelessly during their session together, it's because doing business with Madonna is good business. Someone like Foster doesn't work with Lauper because he isn't interested in making an artistically relevant record that make women feel good about themselves. This is why he works with Michael Buble over Peter Cincotti.

She’s mega bucks now. Tons of $ from kinky boots.

R200 - why would someone ghost write an entire show for a "has-been"?

And r215, by bigger you mean fatter, right?

OP must not have heard of Tony award winning Kinky Boots

Her second album, in spite of the title track being a huge hit kind of felt very bland, corporate and bereft of everything that made her so interesting when she first broke out. Then, the long slide down the shitter began... The third album was better and more interesting but, by that point, the field was crowded. I mentioned this on another Cyndi-themed thread but think about what else was released in 1986: "True Blue", "Control", and both of those were juggernauts in terms of singles and pop culture impact compared to "True Colors" which was competent but not very memorable.

Remember what Olivier told Claire on 6FU while she's on cloud nine during that reception after the solo exhibit: "After first success... comes corruption... and the work suffers... I toast you with this shitty wine!"

Cyndi still has fans and a career. So what if she wasn't as successful as Madonna? Not everyone can be a superstar, or we wouldn't have that term.

Good post up above about Michael Buble and Peter Cincotti. Peter was a child prodigy, problem was at some point others catch up to you.

r86, I agree that Madonna's accomplishments have been unparalleled in many respects, but she was definitely not the first woman to have two songs in the Top 10 for many weeks. Donna Summer had two songs in the Top 10 for nearly the entire summer of 1979 with 'Bad Girls' and 'Hot Stuff' and some of those weeks they shared the Top 5.

Cyndi has a decent career, hardly the shitter. She still performs and is doing another Broadway show.

I'd love to make a few million a year "in the shitter".

I guess it all comes down to defining success. At the end of the day, Lauper doesn't have to worry her son will see a picture of her masturbating and licking her finger, having implied sex with a dog, lesbo sex with knives, implied watersports, etc.

BUMP

Cindi Lauper is a true artiste and that's why she endures without embarrassing herself unlike others. A Night To Remember is a beautiful album. That it wasn't a monster hit and the songs not overplayed turned out to be a silver lining because this track remains my favourite Cindi song to date.

Dunno, Op, but she's so unusual. And talented.

[quote]While Madonna was hanging out with Warhol, Haring and Basquiat...Cyndi was yukking up with these goons:

Dude are you saying you had no idea that Wrestling was a world wide pop phenomenon at the time? These people were superstars. People today still have no idea who Haring and Basquiat are.

Who would have thought this would be going on again in 2022.....Gorgeous and heartbreaking.

As a Madonna fan, I can say that She's so Unusual is a much better album than Like a Virgin. There is no comparison. SSU has Girls, Time after Time, She Bop, All Through the Night, Money Changes Everything, When You Were Mine, etc. All good/great songs. Like a Virgin only has Dress you Up, Material Girl and Like a Virgin. The rest is completely forgettable and not in the same league.

Madonna doesn't have true talent. Cyndi has a nice vocals. And a pleasant persona.

When "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" was on the charts, I heard my straight brother singing along, "I'm just a woman, just a woman". I had to correct him. It's "They just wanna, they just wanna".

Is it fair the wealthy can shield their assets and use programs originally intended for military widows, and struggling families? It’s worse than welfare because the state isn’t getting the landlord’s taxes from her market priced unit and she’s likely to pass it along to her children when she dies.

Any New Yorker with a rent control apartment is only going out one way: feet first. And bitch don’t pretend you wouldn’t accept reduced rent either.

When did this become a "Girls Just Want to Hide Wealth" thread? WTF?

[quote] And a pleasant persona.

I've never heard this from anyone. I'm sure she's more pleasant than madonna but that isn't saying much.

[quote] When did this become a "Girls Just Want to Hide Wealth" thread? WTF?

You're surprised this has become a thread about her biggest/signature hit?

[quote]She had as many hits

No she didn't, OP.

I always thought the KinkY Boots Tony was a great way for fans and the NY community to acknowledge her...... what a great change in direction for her. i did background work on a film with her and Michael J Fox at Wollman Ice Rink back in the 80s. She was very easy with fans, etc.

R259 Life with Mikey, I believe. A big stinker. Cyndi acknowledges her film career was kind of cursed.

She was great in The Opportunists with Christopher Walken.

r261 I thought she was good in Vibes. Gasp. I thought she had fine comedic instincts. I was one of five people in the whole theater on opening weekend (my parents were two of the five). I kept praying more people would show up, when the lights dimmed, my hopes were sunk.

She made a movie called Off and Running, IIRC, the studio went bankrupt and didn't have the money to publicize it and it promptly died.

[quote]I was one of five people in the whole theater on opening weekend (my parents were two of the five). I

Was that you?

Her Mom has died.

RIP Catrine. They seemed very close. I read her memoir, which was brutally honest. It's good she was able to move past some of the things she went through as a kid, forgive her mom and remain close with her.

This thread is missing some of Cyndi's best performances.

So magnetic here.

This shows her versatility and how she can modulate the nasality out of her voice.

Cyndi + Willie

She had a very successfully music career. Not everybody will have meteoric success like Madonna or Michael Jackson.