Did Morrissey sleep with Pete Burns?

What an odd pairing!

That was an odd but sweet story, they obviously card greatly for each other

They fell out over a fur coat.

Pete Burns in Attitude magazine:

What happened to your friendship with Morrissey?

"I bought a fur coat, that's what happened to my friendship with Morrissey. It was a very expensive fur coat from Japan made from genetically engineered something-or-others that'd had their spines lengthened (howling with laughter) so the pelts didn't have to be cut to make a floor length coat. I thought it was hilarious. He started sending me letters saying, "wear that coat and your windows are in", and I sent him letters back that were a lot nastier. We kind of drifted apart over a fur coat really, but I'd still rather have a fur coat. I have a great admiration for his work and for him, but I think when you like someone's work or principles, it doesn't mean that you have to be their best friend. He was great."

Morrissey used to like wearing Pete's thigh-high ocelot "fuck me" boots. He got an erection trying them on.

Paul Rudd slept with who??

Jilly Fallon is an twat.

[quote] We kind of drifted apart over a fur coat really, but I'd still rather have a fur coat

I’d choose the fur coat, too.

Same.

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"they obviously card greatly for each other"

The sure did, Par!

They sure did.

Morrissey is into pieces of rough- boxers, working class trade, the type of east end thug who could punish his hole. Pete Burns was not that guy.

^ But he did have an obsession with gender transgressive males as well; Burns, Jobriath, the New York Dolls. Whether that was sexual who can say.

Two bottoms fucking? Get real.

The both of them are insufferable, arrogant and pedantic freaks of limited talent who have exploited their early successes to the extreme. Morrissey is the better songwriter and that odious bitch Pete Burns had a better voice (which isn't that difficult, to be honest), but they are vile human beings who hide behind a façade of queer sassiness and idiosyncratic wit.

The only good thing I can say about Morrissey, though, is that at least he hasn't mutilated his face and body to resemble a decrepit old madam, and hasn't embarrassed himself by displaying his insufferable cuntiness on trashy reality TV shows. For all his pretensions, Pete was as pathetic as he was repulsive.

^ That was a vicious double assassination in broad daylight.

R15 describes Morrissey being of limited talent. R15 has limited knowledge of Morrissey's career.

Not many people write songs that are genuine cross-generational classics that will outlive us all. Whatever you think of Pete Burns, "You Spin Me Round" is such a song.

R18, that is shady AF! Lolz.

Pete Burns joins The Smiths on stage to duet on Barbarism Begins At Home

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I 'd choose Morrissey.

He's probably one of the most authentic artist in music industry .

It makes me happy he never jumped in the woke bandwagon and he never altered his face.

“The first time ‘You Spin Me Round’ was on Top of the Pops – that was just barbaric, it was demonic. ‘You Spin Me Round’ is a hallmark in British music and it will never, ever date.” - Morrissey

Ewww to that image. I don't watch trans porn

Before anyone decides to trans the dead, Pete Burns repeatedly stated during his life that he was not trans. He was smart enough to know he was a gender non-conforming man.

R12 Exactly.

The real question is, Did Morrissey sleep with Marr?

Won’t hear of Pete slander. He seemed like a lovely, genuine, warm and inquisitive person.

R24 yes, in spite of his image Pete was actually a very grounded and realistic sort, from working-class no-nonsense roots. He would call a spade a spade, and a man a man (he makes the distinction in the clip posted above^).

Pete had a huge cock.

Has anyone seen pictures/video of Daniel Minnette from his current Wallows concert tour? He seems to be channeling Morrissey on stage from what I can tell. This was one of the few that I could find that I could attach that hints at it.

Morrissey is a moron but Pete Burns with his cosmetic surgery addiction was another Michael Jackson. He transformed himself from a good looking guy into a repulsive freak, and died due to complications from yet another procedure.

[QUOTE] It makes me happy he never jumped in the woke bandwagon and he never altered his face

Begone with your clumsy use of prepositions.

The Smiths were a brilliant band. Songs like This Charming Man and How Soon is Now are unforgettable. However, their brilliance was as much due to Johnny Marr's guitar sound as it was to Morrissey's wailing vocals, and Morrissey's solo career never replicated the genius of the Smiths' first two albums.

There are many gems in Morrissey's solo career. This song is simple but beautiful. Freud would have a field day with it.....

[quote] Songs like This Charming Man and How Soon is Now are unforgettable. However, their brilliance was as much due to Johnny Marr's guitar sound as it was to Morrissey's wailing vocals, and Morrissey's solo career never replicated the genius of the Smiths' first two albums.

Cf. Blur..

R31 Sorry, english is not my first language

Morrissey's ass, as photographed by his then partner, Jake an ex boxer.

R36 Nice tattoo

A more relevant question would be which member of his regular backing band did Morrissey shag?

Isn't Pete Burns hung like a horse?

according to the tween/teen girls of this era... Morrissey is asexual, he just sings as a nonbinary, like an angel, he was never gay, so stop being homophobic, you sick homos.

r33 the drama surrounding his music videos were more entertaining.... as he descended into becoming a bitter old queen

R38 They are all his "type"

R40 ahhahahahahahahahahhahahhaha

But some people still believes he is actracted to women...

“Is Morrissey dating Michael Stipe?” was a more interesting 80s alt-rock rumor

I love The Smiths, and the Youthquake and Mad Bad and Dangerous To Know albums by Dead or Alive are filled with bangers.

R40 I'm a huge Moz fan and the Smiths too and I think he did say he was asexual, and we all laughed at him because of course we know he is gay. I don't know why he's pulling that ace shit now but I hope it's not to cater to the enby teens. A rush and a push and the land is ours, sweet and tender hooligan, shoplifters of the world unite, you just haven't earned it yet baby,...no one can hold a fucking candle to this guy. He doesn't need to ever work again.

r45 like others of his era, he wanted to be seen as a terrible child, as rebellious, counter cultural... it's hardly a surprise when gay became acceptable so many of them flocked in every other direction.

Morrissey love his voice but the man is the living stereotype of what twinks (that stay in the scene) grow up to become.. vapid and shallow.

Worst yet paired with the delusions that he's the smarest person in the room, he never has to learn, he only has to share his truth and theen seeks out those views that are the most similar to his own to call profound.

Now I think he calls himself humansexual. . . trying to present himself as being alone not because he's a miserable twat but he's mother earth, gaea figure... It really ventures towards ex-gay talk when he breaks down into naturalist rants.

But you find that kind of thing as common with a certain class of Brits. . . not necessarily financial but it does seem to fit among the social attributes of those that were or aspired to be part of said class. The sort of deal where everybody highly suspected they were and not at all surprised yet they're clueless to the notion themselves... even 100s of cocks down the line. Its funny enough, it's never just bisexual either for this lot. I would suggest it's a shame of sexuality in general, tho, not just homosexuality... they skirt and dance around a lack of attraction to women while idealizing hetero marriages and really only viewing homosexuality as a one off.

It's also strange how the ugly ones will inevitably come out as gay but the modestly attractive stretch it out more. . . maybe that's more to do with the mid life crisis. . . but again,k lending to those that were once popular twinks on the circuit and in the age group of their daddies but lacking attraction to their peers because of the shift in dynamics and also having no attraction to older men.

I would have rather fucked Moz in all honesty, tho. . . but he was pretentious prat, too.

So, probably Jimmy Somerville, if only he's remained an unrepentant cottage queen (restroom troll) his entire life.

R46 Morrissey isn't alone, apparently (rumors/gossips) he is in a long term relationship with his personal assistant, the one he dedicated his autobio.

His "humansexual" claims are so ridiculous, his previous claims were he was straight, bisexual, asexual , he really has a problem at outing himself as gay .

There's probably a reason why he was slow to come out. Whose idea was it to edit Morrissey's autobiography for a US readership?

Who is his PA?

For most of his career Morrissey knew to present himself in a state of ambiguity, about his sex life and about his politics. Had be labelled himself as gay he wouldn't have been perceived the same way, and he probably wouldn't have the vast straight audience he does. Being ambiguous makes him more universally relatable, But I don't believe for a second that he isn't fundamentally homosexual, perhaps with some rare female experiences and some stretches of celibacy.

When he did relatively recently become less ambiguous about his politics, firstly by wearing that Britain First pin, it all started to unravel for him.

Is that nasty tatt on his ass real?

[QUOTE] Isn't Pete Burns hung like a horse?

Wrong tense. He's dead.

That looks like paint to me, I'd be stunned if he wanted that etched on his flesh forever.

He could tidy up that fluff around his crotch.

Morrissey is asexual - if asexual means nobody will fuck you because you're a bitter humourless cunt and you're too proud to admit you are unattractive in every way.

Straight men literally throw themselves as him on stage. Even now.

Morrissey has been in a relationship with a younger Italian guy for years now.

Remember Pete’s sex tape?🤮

^ He released it.

^^^^^^^^

Straight and gay worship him. He is beautiful, or was in his peak years.

Didn't Morrissey have an affair with Billy Mackenzie? He was apparently the inspiration behind the Smiths' William, It Was Really Nothing.

When Billy reformed the Associates in the early 1990s they cut a song called Stephen, You're Really Something.

The Italian boyfriend is also no more? Supposedly one of these two guys. He does have a thing for working class Romans, just like his idol Pasolini. Got to hand it to Moz, living in Rome, getting serviced by fit young trade- living his best life.

For someone who isn't gay Morrissey hasn't had many girlfriends. Of course he went into a lot of detail in his book about the Persian woman in LA, with whom he was supposedly considering children. Because that "relationship" is the only one and probably involved a turkey baster.

Morrissey's obsession with Jobriath was almost certainly somewhat sexual in nature, but he refused to appear in the documentary about him because of the perceived gay focus of the film.

It's a shame he was so closeted. With his looks and fame he could have been getting his end away 24/7 in the peak years. Maybe he was and just chose gay for pay trade, that's why there's so little gossip about him.

Morrissey suffers from severe depression.

Listen to "I Have Forgiven Jesus" and that's the way he sees himself; unfuckable and unlovable.

The rest of us see men literally throwing themselves at him onstage.

Depression and self loathing warp perception of reality.

Back in the day he was a fine looking man.

R63 He considered children untill he discovered he had to fuck that woman to produce one.

But seriusly, i think his "considering" was to produce them the way michael jackson did with that nurse, no way he would want to fuck a woman(even if she was a masculine boy passing like that friend of his ), if he was really "bisexual" considering his personality he would have married decades ago and had already a bunch of children.

R49 his PA is called Damon, i don't know his surname, apparently they are in a 10+ years together, they are always together.

R65 in his peak days he was in love with Marr, we don't even know what happened between them . Everyone knew he was gay, he never had any interest into women, with his fame if he had any past experiences with one we would know, but all we have is that story with his Tomboy friend that seem there just to justify himself for not calling himself gay.

Marr comes across as straight as a die. Morrissey does like to wallow in unrequited love.

Now that we've firmly established he Enjoys Cock™, is Morrissey top or bottom? I have a feeling he's one of those insatiable bottoms who enjoys having his hole destroyed by young, rough lads. Damon features in these pics.

R71 Agreed, definately a bottom, he has a type for rough guys

As a vegan, how would that work with him being a bottom? Would it be a case of "there is a shite, that never goes out" ?

I was reading something unrelated and Pete's name came up as a record store employee, I forgot all about that! If people bought shitty albums he would let them know it. I think that's pretty hilarious and I hope I would buy something he approved of.

Isn't Morrissey asexual?

R74, that record store has some iconic albums on display; Violator, Nightclubbing, Purple Rain, Rhythm Nation. Then there's.... Waking Up with the House on Fire! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I wad ticked off reading the book when he highlighted the one female so called relationship (which I feel sure was just a friendship) and glanced over two male ones in the most cursory way. Very dishonest.

Agreed R77. As autobiographies go it was a cop out. Lots of dishing the dirt on his frenemies; Siouxsie Sioux, Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke all get the hatchet job treatment. I learned more about them than him.

How dare he insult Siouxsie! I hope she slapped him viciously! I'll never forget him on Celeb Big Brother UK. He started out fun but soon became a total prick.

Did George Washington suck off Nathan Hale?

Who knows??

This is a total time capsule thread. I had to punch myself to make sure it wasn’t 1990

They're Gen X icos, preserved in amber. Of course we still care.

Is it normal for young straight guys to knock on the front door of someone they don't know, but do know of as a notoriously fruity local eccentric, and ask to form a band?

R77 Agreed.

R83 It's not normal lol, and the way Morrissey snapped one time when he was asked if he was in love with Marr really made rethink about the kind of relationship they had :

"Why doesn't anyone ever assume that Johnny Marr was in love with me? That perhaps he was, in fact, madly in love with me but didn't feel he could act on that, or didn't have the courage to ever take it any further?" - Morrissey, i-D, 2003 "

And when people asked Marr if he was in love with Morrissey he answered:

"No. Because I was in love with (future wife) Angie. "

When Marr left The Smiths Morrissey had a serius ugly breackdown, he totally felt betrayed.

Because no one has ever been in love with two people at once before.... That's a stupid thing for Marr to say.

R85 Yea, that's what said Morrisey too in his lyrics of " My love life" :

"I know you love one person so Why don't you love two, love? Oh, love to... "

Did Pete spin him right round on his dick?

On his 7" or 12", R87?

Morrissey was clearly in love with Marr. To me that's indisputable, and his psychology would have meant him revelling in that rejection and the darkness it involved. I have no idea if Marr felt anything.

Why is the assumption always that Morrissey is a bottom?

Pete Burns was a top in his relationship with Michael Simpson.

Morrissey as a bottom stems from his admiration for maligned women who 'put up with' OTT macho partners. The Coronation Street types like Elsie Tanner and her string of n'er-do-well partners that contribute to her daily dramas and struggles. Or real life women such as Diana Dors and her predilection for East End gangsters. Morrissey loves the rough, the type of guy who'll come home after twelve pints of ale and hate fuck you. This links to the "she was always too good for him" or "what did she ever see in a bum like that" conversation centring around these women. There are hints of it in his parents relationship as discussed in his autobiography. According to Morrissey, his mother was a stunner in her day and could have had her pick of men, she went for a cocky but unreliable guy, they separated when Moz was 16 or 17.

Morrissey thrived on the "I hate sex and can't believe people think I'm attractive" routine he had going on in the '80s and '90s. In private he was dating an ex boxer. He's basically a North of England version of Lana Turner.

Pete Burns intimated a number of times that Morrissey's public persona was dishonest, and was even a prison he's built himself to please his cult of followers. ALLEGEDLY Moz had a thing for leather and even had a locked room full of it in his London flat. Burns said Moz longed to wear leather trousers in public but couldn't because of the legend he'd constructed around his animal activism and sensitivity.

And he DID ask to wear Pete's ocelot thigh highs.

R92 During the 80s Morrissey wore leather shoes, i think he liked the aesthetic, recently he buys fake leather things and he's satisfied with the quality.

He also claimed to have become vegan but i'm not sure if he returned vegetarian.

Do you think his public personal is very different from his private one? I'm not so sure, i've read the letters he used to send to his penpall before the Smiths days and his personality seem the same, also all his obsessions, he was always an eccentric, maybe he cultivated this persona since then...

One thing remains the same R94, his handwriting. Holy shit, it's bad.

Watch from 12:27 for his take on Morrissey. Leather reference made.

^ Sorry 9:29

Any link to the video of Pete working his hog? Or is it a bit too trans-y?

I saw the sex video once and that was enough.

Not to get all moralistic (especially on a board like this!) but that video was "released" during a period of intense mental illness and it feels icky to have anything to do with it. Especially since it was apparently revenge porn.

R99 Once was enough because it was so satisfying you never need to see it again, or did it go the other way?

^ I didn't find it arousing at all. And as I said, there were also issues that bothered me about the background of that video, and they made me uncomfortable watching it.

R94: I've worked with many celebrities over the years (though never Morrissey) and I can say all the ones with established careers have a public face, or a stage face, and then their real face. I have no doubt that Morrissey is a different person than the one he projects to his audience. That's not to suggest he is a fake. Just that his audience respond positively to his misery and that dark take on the world. No one is like that 24/7 without being suicidal.

In the video that I saw it was his boyfriend Michael fucking Pete bareback. Michael then posted it online when they fell out.

I saw Michael blowing Pete, almost reluctantly.

Pete was married to a woman right?

The marriage was a friendship. He admitted in his book they only had sex a handful of times at the start and then never again.

He sure was R105

Moz is such an old embittered cunt. I can’t picture him getting off with anybody.

He likes having his embittered old mancunt punished by guys half his age who are as likely to mug him and rough him up. See also the painter Francis Bacon.

Morrissey has no reason to be bitter, he has/had everything he wanted.

To be honest the one that seems the bitter one is Johnny Marr, i bet that when he left The Smiths he thought he would have a better career, instead he is just a glorified session guitarrist, it must hurt, not surprising he was the one begging Morrissey to reunite the smiths and since it didn't happened he jumped in the hate bandwagon ( lol as if he wouldn't run answering if Morrissey called him again).

Hey R110, this song was great! Johnny did well joining these guys.