Why were Ryan Gosling and Jake Gyllenhaal unable to become movie stars?

They are movie stars. End of thread.

What R1 said.

Gyllenhaal "movie star" movies (like The Prince of Persia) were bad and didn't play to his strengths, and I don't think Gosling was ever interested in being a movie star.

They're both better off anyway.

R1 They both starred in several flops.

Their faces look too mature unlike stars like Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt or Will Smith who have a youthfulness about them. Or at least used to.

R3 I think Ryan tried to be a movie star at one point but he always felt like more of an Internet boyfriend than a true star. Blade Runner 2049 and First Man disappointed at the box office.

[quote][R1] They both starred in several flops.

Who HASN'T starred in several flops?

They're both big name actors who get cast in prestige projects big budget movies and small independent moves. They've both been nominated for Oscars, BAFTAs, SAGs and Independent Spirit awards.

You have a pretty warped view of what makes a movie star.

R7 Nobody is running to watch a movie in theaters just because Jake Gyllenhaal or Ryan Gosling are in it. They are not real movie stars.

Must agree. Both of these dudes continue to work, but neither has any kind of box office record.

Quite the opposite.

That is an antiquated definition, R8.

Why would they be able to?

R10 They both broke out before the concept of a movie star died, so I don’t really feel bad about holding them to a higher standard.

OP is a fucking idiot if he doesnt think that both these men have excellent careers

You need to be both talented and strategic/hustling to be a movie star. Think of Tom Cruise, who pursued this single-mindedly until thrown off course by Scientology.

Neither Gosling nor Toothy Tile wanted that level of fame more than they wanted other things—privacy, artistic respect, what have you. You could feel their heart wasn’t in it, they weren’t willing to live their lives to court the public (which to me seems like a healthy thing).

The opposite of this is Ryan Reynolds, who wants it very, very, very badly but isn’t as talented. But he’s strived for it so long and so hard that he might get it anyways.

Jake Gyllenhaal hasn’t been nominated for an Oscar since Bush was in office.

Movie stars do not exist anymore. There are merely actors who appear in movies. Spider-Man, Batman and their ilk are the real movie stars of today. Actors like Gyllenhaal and Gosling are starting in Nextflix features now, because it really doesn’t make a difference anymore.

Ryan Gosling is not handsome enough. He's a Canadian 8 and an American 6.5, out of 10.

R6. Blade Runner 2049 was quite good. First Man less so.

Gosling has such a strange expression when he's trying to be stoic or serious. It's somewhere between pensive and constipated. You saw it a lot in those two movies.

R16 There are a few movie stars left like Leo and Denzel.

[quote]Jake Gyllenhaal hasn’t been nominated for an Oscar since Bush was in office.

Bush has a better chance of re-election than Gyllenhaal has of another Oscar nomination. "Brokeback Mountain" was Heath Ledger's triumph, not his. Gyllenhaal is B-level actor with A-level fame and recognition.

the meh factor

Lack of personality?

R22 Gosling is capable of being charismatic, like in The Nice Guys.

R21 Put you still end up with this ring around your collar: 😑 😒 😕 😑 😒 😕

R17 I can’t believe he’s going to play Ken in Greta Gerwig’s Barbie movie. Margot Robbie is perfect casting, but Ryan? Meh.

Because Ryan won't go gay for play and Jake did.

Jake Gyllenhaal's obit will read:

"He was fucked in a tent by oscar winner Heath Ledger."

Gosling is too obscure to warrant an obit.

I remember him in this knockoff Saved by the Bell that took place on a cruise ship.

People lost interest in Gosling when he got with Eva Mendes. Not only was all the momentum of being the Internet fantasy boyfriend killed, Eva Mendes was....not the kind of woman they wanted to see him with.

I agree with R4- they are both better off without whatever movie stardom is. They get to explore whatever their talents are in a range of much more interesting roles and films than a "star" would. And both have done do, to pretty good effect.

Stars star in the same 3 movies, over and over and over. And those films are dull as shit, for the most part.

You're right OP, they're THIS close to becoming Uber drivers

R32. I wouldn't get into an Uber if Jake was my driver. He has a... look.

Also, Nightcrawler.

The OP not say they didn’t have excellent careers. Or that they haven’t won awards. The OP said they are not movie stars which is true. They can’t open a movie on their name alone. Movie stars are Leo, Brad, Denzel. Ryan and Jake aren’t on that level though they tried. Jeremy tried too. Didn’t happen.

did not say, I mean

Both of them give off this superior , elitist vibe. Gosling tries to act humble, however.

Jake should just move over into character roles.

Those chins

Jake is a movie star. So is Ryan. Op lives in an alternate universe. That universe is called STUPID.

Clearly OP is bored and thought it itself, what sort of thread can I start to stir up some controversy.

If Jake and Ryan are movie stars, when is the last time they opened a movie at #1? They are very successful actors and have given winning performances but they are not movie stars. Certainly not now.

OP list a few people who you believe are "movie stars"

Ryan Gosling was a movie star.

La La Land, Blade Runner 2049 (which was kind of a flop but not critically), Crazy, Stupid Love, The Big Short, and The Notebook saw to that.

Jake was up there with Brokeback Mountain but he was never on his level. He has always done better doing "a step away" from "mainstream" films like Zodiac (critically acclaimed but couldn't beat "Wild Hogs" at the box office) and Nightcrawler.

However, I'd argue there are no true classical movie stars these days. The kind of person who could open up successful film after film based on their name alone. It's more about the concept or franchise than anything.

Why does OP pull preposterous ideas for threads out of his nasty festering ass? And people respond!!

It’s meant to irritate. A lot of DLers have little interaction with others and have nobody to spar with. They do it here.

I want Gosling to play the movie star in A LITTLE LIFE.

A recent movie star is Melissa McCarthy. She was able to open movies on her name with Identity Thief, The Boss etc. If you like her (I do), you go see a movie because she’s in it. She’s like Eddie Murphy in the 80s. A comedian people pay to see.

Uh….Ryan Gosling is a star.

[quote] Both of them give off this superior , elitist vibe.

This is really saying a lot about you, not them.

Whether you think he's a movie star or not, Jake Gyllenhaal is doing just fine. Take a look at his imdb page: he has a movie coming out soon, he's currently in the process of filming another, and he has eight other movies lined up (where he is the star or top billed co-star) as well as two tv mini series.

I feel very sorry for them because Ryan is only worth 70 million and Jake is only worth 80 million. Wish I was that kind of flop.

R34 Of course they're movie stars. They're just not superstars, like the people you mention.

R34 Thank you! Wish the folks mad in here mad on Jake’s and Ryan’s behalf could comprehend the same.

They’re not movie stars, they are actors. Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, The Rock are movie stars. People go to the movies to watch them, it doesn’t matter what the movie is.

Will Smith and Tom Cruise’s movies are referred to as “the new Will Smith movie” or “the new Tom Cruise movie”.

Ryan and Jake don’t have that. They’re actors - a lot of movie lovers will watch them.

There’s people who don’t know who Jake Gyllenhaal and Ryan Gosling are, especially people under 25. And why would they?

R43 The Rock is a movie star. He does the dumbest movies and turns them into hits cause people will watch him in anything, which is what makes him a movie star.

I think Ryan and Jake get movies cause they’re cheaper than bigger names. They’re box office poison but not hated and with a decent script it’s a toss up if it could be a hit.

R56 you don't seem to know what box office poison means if you go on to write: "with a decent script it’s a toss up if it could be a hit".

DL is where people shit out any word salad they fancy.

Any one of us should be so lucky to get a piece of this…

R30 Totally agree, like ew who wants a man who is married and has children on top of that. How about hot guys in hollywood stay single and childless until they are old and ugleyh? That's why Jake is more successful than him coz he one of da hottest bachelors in hollywood right now.

R58 I miss his old nose, he looks like a madonna plastic surgery fail now. Sad what people do to themselves.

How long before Jake joins The Bold and the Beautiful?

Ryan Gosling is a true Movie Star. A-list. I think Jake tried it but went back to trying to be an actor.

Lots of stars were labeled box office poison until they did a hit movie and got out of the label.

Duh.

Whenever you cast Ryan and Jake for a movie, you’re most likely going to lose money.

They're both stars. Gosling is more selective and has the better body of work. Gyllenhaal should transition to a premium cable or streaming series.

Why is Goosling eyes so close together? That don't look normal.

[quote]You need to be both talented and strategic/hustling to be a movie star.

No you don't need both.

I like Ryan with his birth nose, as well. Before he transed to Hollywood bland hunk/heart throb. He would have been fine with some age on him and that hot body he had 10 years ago. But the plastic surgery surely pleased the masses and helped him kick into serious consideration in Tinsel Town.

Even though he was playing a junkie, Half Nelson was the only time I've found Gosling attractive.

r59 Well yeah, that's basically how fraus think, dipshit. And if Gosling had to be with someone, they wanted it to be someone delicate/relatable/girl-next-door-ish like Rachel McAdams or Emma Stone. Not Eva Mendes.

Eva Mendes looks like a brutish man

R30 Gosling did the same mistake career women usually do but instead of it negatively affecting his family it negatively affected his career. You just can't have it both ways! When you are mostly known for your status as a sex symbol rather than your acting skills, you shouldn't be so dumb and marry, let alone just having a girlfriend publicly for all your fans to see. DUUUUMB LMAO! Idiot award of the last decade when it comes to male actors throwing their career away so easily. Truly the brain of a gosling, thinking this "marriage as a status symbol thing" would apply to him too BAHWHAHAHAA

R70

People only didn’t like Eva because she’s not a blonde white woman like Rachel McAdams.

R72 insane and amusing. Who knows!

[quote] The Rock is a movie star. He does the dumbest movies and turns them into hits cause people will watch him in anything, which is what makes him a movie star.

But were they seeing, "The Fast and the Furious" films for him or because it was a franchise you could stick anyone in? Did they see Jungle Cruise and Jumanji because it was him or did they see it because it was Disney? While I think he is a movie star, I'd say it's not in the classical sense. You could have stuck Chris Pratt or Chris Evans in any of those roles and the films would have made money. It's about the concept / the continuation of a franchise / or because it's a kid's movie for that one these days.

[quote] Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, The Rock are movie stars. People go to the movies to watch them, it doesn’t matter what the movie is.

I should have said, there are no NEW movie stars. Will was and he will be again once "I Am Legend 2" comes out. Tom Cruise still makes a hell of an action movie. Tom Hanks has decades of respect behind him like Denzel Washington.

I'll second the person above who said Melissa McCarthy would have fit the bill but it has been a long time since "Spy!" "Tammy," and "The Heat."

[quote] Why is Goosling eyes so close together?

Yes!! This!! Why is they so close together!?!

Neither of them are super hot like Pitt or Cruise were at the same age

R77 Why did people find Pitt hot? He always looked lesbianic to me. That short nose and these pumped up lips. Always reminded me of Donatella Versace. Cute but not manly.

Weird ^

same facial features

Delusional loon ^

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I loved Ryan in La La Land. His singing and dancing too. And pretty impressive that he learned to play piano well enough that no stunt double was needed.

Gosling was never attractive. Even as a kid, he looked annoying. Jake is an acquired taste but far more attractive than Gosling. Pitt and Cruise were very good-looking but inoffensive and marketable to Middle America. Gosling is too cocky and Jake is too hipstery.

Unfuckable moron ^

^ Child who gets triggered by an opinion

Are there reverse nose jobs so that he at least gets some of his personality back?

R85 bitter geezer who isn’t able to handle an opposing opinion and that WW his own posts

desperate lonely trolls who will TYPE ANYTHING just for a sense of belonging.

Ryan Gosling was cuter before the surgery for sure and Ryan Reynolds was much sexier before his eyelid surgery too. I think Jake G is sexy personally but he's not a traditional beauty, I fell in love with him in Donnie Darko and Prince of Persia. He has an aura around him that's irresistible. If he's gay, I'd gladly claim him.

WTF, they are pretty big stars

R90 Gyllen yes, known by everyone on planet her (hi doja!) but that gosling... maybe 8 years ago?

Jake and Ryan are both a 7 at best. That's a gay 7. Pitt and Cruise were a gay 8 in their prime. I'm not sure any of these guys are super-appealing to gay men. I think in the gay world, a 9 or 10 is reserved for porn stars with the bodies and dicks to back them up.

For me it has to do with neither of these two have the acting chops to disappear into a role so the other route for them is to be actors who have personality that infuses their characters with something that makes you want to watch them like a Jimmy Stewart, Tom Hanks or Jack Nicholson (to name only a few). Gosling doesn't have that kind of charisma and neither does Gyllenhaal, just a regular guy vibe that is nice but not compelling and certainly does not carry real star power.

These two are decent indy quality talent, nothing wrong with that.