UNT students protest GOP candidate Jeff Younger

Those college kids are all so ugly.

That made my day!

That’s how it’s done kids!

they are all trans! so, ugly girls and geeky men!

I LOVE THIS!!! Hope for the future!!

And that guarantees his election. He was loving it. Voters hate fucking little twits disrespecting an elder. Of course, he deserved it, but that's not the way it will be played. Republicans are running and anti-woke strategy and now, the fascist has his own campaign commercial, thanks to the students.

Fucking Fascist This made my day-more please, sir. R6. I disagree that he loved it. I think not.

Now, these kids have to go out and vote

This is why they're mad....

[quote]Students at the University of North Texas shut down a speech by an anti-trans legislative candidate [bold]seeking to make it illegal for children to begin transitioning[/bold] Wednesday, yelling “Fuck these fascists” and “Protect trans kids.”

Younger lost custody of his 7 year old son (now "daughter") last August because he refused to consent to his social transition and refer to him as a girl.

[quote]Around age 3, Luna Younger started asking to wear dresses. Since the age of 5, she has insisted she is a girl. Now Luna is 7, and during court hearings, physicians, school staff, and family members have all testified that Luna has consistently, persistently identified as a girl.

[quote]While Luna’s mother respects her daughter’s gender identity — letting her wear what she chooses, whether it’s nail polish, dresses, or longer hair — Luna’s father does not. He insists Luna is not transgender. These polarizing differences over how to raise and treat a child are why trans families and advocates, as well as conservatives, have been closely watching the custody battle over the Coppell, Texas, trans girl.

Moving on...

This makes him look good. So stupid.

Again...they're mad because he didn't agree to allowing his 7 year old son to socially transition to a girl. I don't care what party he's affiliated with. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Allowing kids as young as 7 to change their gender is ridiculous and going too far. Let them decide that when they're 18.

I wanted to be a mermaid because I was obsessed "The Little Mermaid" when I was 6. What should've happened then? My folks dressed me up in an Ariel costume and tossed me into the ocean to "live my truth?"

Look at this stuff. Isn't it neat?

[quote] Allowing kids as young as 7 to change their gender is ridiculous and going too far. Let them decide that when they're 18.

Can't we say the same for gays? Force them to be straight until they turn 18 and then they can decide...

It must be terrible for trans kids--their whole young life being referred to as the gender they don't see themselves.

Imagine, as a male, if you were called a girl all your life--given a girl name, clothed in frilly dresses. It would really mess with your mind and you'd act out

How anti trans is he? Because I will withhold in making any judgement either way because I've been called anti trans for saying men don't get periods.

Imagine being that mad about some dubituos "anti trans" dude and not at everything that's actually going on in the real worldd

It takes no medical treatment or intervention at all to be gay and involves no self harm either. This kid will be put on puberty blockers. It's horrific. And irreversible.

I don’t agree this demonstration was giving him what he wants, was playing into his hands, or was a failure.

Demos are hard to plan and pull off well. This had disaster written all over it but just came together, and seems spontaneous.

They’re yelling “fascist” not “anti-trans.” (smart) It’s later in the longer clips where the room breaks into bickering and chaos and looks dumb. But the first 20 seconds of this clip is all over social media.

The students look strong, unified and confident. Plus they all look young in opposition to his age, which seems even more dithering in contrast. Dunno. The cards will fall where they’re gonna fall but… the optics on this are *pow!* *boom!* *sock!*

Yeah he’ll win probably, because it’s Texas (I’m from Texas I know). Still…

R17 the kids are imbeciles. Knowing what is and has been going on in the real world , some snot noses heckling some dude that didn't want his son turned into a daughter at age 7 is not exactly going to ignite support in anyone at this point.

I thought the anti-trans zealots had finally been run off of Datalounge. I'm very disappointed to see that they are still infesting and harassing the site.

I keep my membership, I know they'll be jettisoned eventually. I remind myself of the many, many, groups of awful people who have been tolerated here for so long and then *poof* they are gone, never to pollute our website again. I'll wait, if nothing else I'll outlive the old bats.

Good for them! Fuck Republicans.

Now if only they'd show up to vote in an equally-passionate manner.

I agree with the above comments. You can argue anti-trans this, woke that, GOP playbook, Texas blah blah

This just works. It’s a great clip.

I see a unified younger generation standing up to an old fogey.

A lot of people will see that too, and not like it.

But a lot will!

These kids handed that guy his ass on a platter.

"ass on a platter"

The guy up front clapping along like a dolt is Jeff Younger himself. How delicious.

He deserves a fate much worse, but GOOD for those students for doing that to the piece of shit. As someone upthread stated, now they need to rally every freaking young person in the district to vote the piece of shit out.

Is there a reason most of them are wearing black?

R16 it says SOCIALLY transition. The kid is just dressing how she chooses and asking people to refer to her with female pronouns. There are no medical interventions.

R19 me too. Sigh. My ffs keep running out.

[quote]My ffs keep running out.

Those run out? I never use them, so I didn't know this.

So what did he do?

R31 he didn't want his son dressed like a girl so he lost custody of him/her........and he's being heckled for it because that is a totally pressing issue in today's world climate. Meanwhile the snot noses can't bring themselves to tear themselves from their tik tok to go vote and if you ask them about Russia-Ukraine or wars in Yemen they will stare dumbly at you like you are speaking in 8th century Mandarin.

R32 That's what happened?! Fuck these kids. How is there no politically aware adult around to rein them in? The left is such a fucked up mess.

R33 I would admire their stamina and unity if it was against anything worth shit. Turns out, no, and they're the new generation of useful idiots.

This would have been more effective if they didn't all look like unbathed, unattractive degenerate losers. It looks like it smells like musty crotches and unwashed hair in that room.

That's not nearly the same thing, r12. Stop it. Gender identity has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation.

If anything, the ideals that TRAs tend to push with regards to gender are incredibly sexist in that they imply that if a little boy likes wearing dresses, playing with dolls, and overall embraces femininity then he must identify as a female. Because, of course, only girls like dresses and play with dolls.

TRAs reinforce the gender stereotypes they claim to be fighting against. If you tell a 5 year old boy that only girls wear dresses and play with dolls, then that 5 year old will then want to be a girl just because, in their little 5 year old brain, that's the only way they can be allowed to wear dresses and play with dolls. Most of this gender identity mess showing up in kids, lately, is parental influence. Let kids be kids.

R30 yes. I must use them very judiciously only for posters who target or harass marginalized groups. No need to harass or discriminate against people who are born a different way (gay, trans, people of color, etc.) FFs should, in my opinion, be reserved only for people showing hatred towards a specific group for no reason other than they are different. (but maybe other people use them for other reasons) I used them up mostly with Russian trolls spouting off Russian propaganda and then some really angry trolls (but mostly Putin lovers)

I don't see a "unified generation". I see the 75 quite fug SJWs on campus, congregated (yet again - they probably do this often) in one shitty kind of small lecture room, still with empty seats, to heckle a probable asshole. Attention seeking assholes meet an asshole. That is what I see.

Horrific situation for the little boy.The brainwashing in college’s has obviously been a terrifying success…..

[quote] Can't we say the same for gays? Force them to be straight until they turn 18 and then they can decide...

No. Homosexuality is based on reality, not make believe. You don’t need drugs and sterilization to be gay.

[quote] [R16] it says SOCIALLY transition. The kid is just dressing how she chooses and asking people to refer to her with female pronouns. There are no medical interventions.

It doesn’t matter. They’re still a child. The adult sets the rules. End of discussion.

As Camille Paglia said, this transgender shit is the same as people becoming beatniks, hippies, yuppies, etc. It’s something people who don’t feel like they fit in gravitate towards. It’s also a form of cutting.

r1 r35 Wow, I didn't even need to play the video. From the thumbnail alone, every single one looks so gross..

A lot of those "protests" are staged, prepared in advance. The students (not all are students) get paid to act like jackasses at these talks.

This has been happening at colleges and unis for several years now, it's paid and orchestrated subversive tactics. It doesn't reflect the populous of an area, either.

[quote] it says SOCIALLY transition. The kid is just dressing how she chooses and asking people to refer to her with female pronouns. There are no medical interventions.

Only because a judge intervened and said the mother (who herself is a piece of work) couldn’t start the kid on Lupron/blockers.

Also the kid is not dressing as he chooses. Mom is the one putting him in dresses. The kid is seven, I doubt he even knows what a pronoun is.

Yeah why didn’t one of these students stand up and interrupt everyone and start talking about Ukraine? Fucking idiots.

[quote] The brainwashing in college’s has obviously been a terrifying success…..

I don't know why you think we can brainwash students when we can't even teach them how to use apostrophes and elipses.

Tyra is UNT

College students now like to silence people, rather than debate or dialogue. They rob people of their right to free speech because they don't like the content. They want to dictate all the terms and oppress those who disagree.

^^^^Horseshit

R50 What are you living in, 1972?

R50 Ugly, ugly TRUTH. Sorry to R51 who can't handle it.

“College students”???

Grandpa

Anybody in Texas who protests a right winger - for whatever reason - is fine by me.

R50 LOL! Younger is HARDLY being silenced. He’s running for office and has multiple media stories about his ongoing situation daily broadcast to the world via the bullhorn of the media. Blah blah blah, me me me…

The students DON’T have that.

Meanwhile, in the real world, college students are participating in all sorts of controversial discussions in the classroom and other organized debates.

And RWNJs Turning Point USA is hiring people to narc on college professors to shut those conversations down.

So tell me again who is trying to silence whom?

American students are NOT having controversial discussions in college classrooms. They are all too worried about being censored as is the professor.

[quote] American students are NOT having controversial discussions in college classrooms. They are all too worried about being censored as is the professor.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

It's a room full of needy, unstable, confused children who can't figure out the most basic elements of identity. So they scream.

R1 I live near a university and have noticed that over-the-years college kids have gotten much more fat and dumpy looking.

R57 do we have any actual footage of right wingers heckling and shutting down speakers in colleges? Now I am hardly seeing they are above that but all the footage I have seen in the last 10 years of people doing it hardly come from the right.

Google Allyn Walker, r62, for a recent example of the right wing silencing controversial research.

Why the vulgarity? This helps Republicans

“FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BETTER. FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BETTER. BAAA BAAAAAAAA!!”

Where are all the hot college students?

Not fuckable at 20 is a sad state of affairs.

[quote]Google Allyn Walker, [R62], for a recent example of the right wing silencing controversial research.

Did you seriously choose the one example of a college professor who tried to argue that pedophiles shouldn't be stigmatized and should, instead, be referred to as "minor attracted persons," along with being considered part of the LGBT community and accepted to prove your point that right-wingers silence, also?

Like are...are you kidding?

On Datalounge, we're supposed to cheer on, finger-snap, and YASSSSSS QUEEEEEEN to the idea of gay kids transitioning.

R63 Do you really want to make a case for that professor who is literally trying to get the term"pedophile" changed to "minor attracted people" because it hurts pedo's feelings? And having sit me downs with actual pro Pedo groups going on about how "Not all pedos are bad"? Regardless of her research and her seemingly true intentions of trying to stop victimizations, is she tone deaf or stupid or both?

Also saw no evidence of it being primarily a right wing thing thpugh yes it was exploited by the rw media. The student studying criminal justice in that same uni that started the petition to remove this person (which I clarify, I don't agree with) does not seem like a right winger.

Call me when a professor is abused heckled and made to quit for daring to not prohibit any costumes for Halloween on a campus because he foolishly thought not doing so would open up dialogue which would serve the students.

Oh look! You repeated the slander of the right about Allyn Walker!

Walker did not invent that term. Walker did not advocate for that understanding. Walker's research had to include discussion of what other people have said. That's how it works.

Thanks for proving my point that you don't really give a shit about allowing discussion of controversial topics on college campuses.

Camilla Paglia getting booed by a university who then offers therapy to them. lol.

I'm a prof at a Swiss university and the students are gorgeous. Also they can discuss any controversial issue with anyone, without shouting. Mostly they aren't interested in these "outrage" topics. The clip we see here are the SJW fugs against the attention seeking pundit politician. It's all manufactured outrage.

If there is still nothing but open dialogue in US colleges its news to me. I thought even OBAMA had to go lecture and shame lefty college students for shutting down anything that goes against their woke doctrines.

You do realize having a obese, mulleted young woman screeching “My pronouns are He/They!” doesn’t exactly make our side look good.

if you don't like what Younger has to say then don't show up. The only fascists I see are the ones screaming at Younger and shutting down his free speech.

r70 Really thought they were getting down bringing that heifer up.

If you don't go and sit your goofy ass down somewhere with that...

I see a room-full of trash that shouldn’t have the right to vote, but they do. I believe our almost 250 year experiment (of a democratic republic) is almost done. The ruling class have easily outwitted our diverse and poorly educated populace in order to vote power back into their hands. To those on here cheering and facilitating this, I wish you and your loved ones harm.

R73, it hasn’t been “our” side for years.

R73 Which is why we need to separate LBGT rights.

So much mental illness in one small room.

I’m glad I went to university when I did. I couldn’t tolerate this level of disrespect.

Good for you young protesters.

Never take crap from the right.

R64 I agree.

^ And he got over 70 million votes for his vulgarity the last time.

Poor R60 thinks the Black Panthers, feminists, etc. from the 60s never screamed during protests.

R80 yeah it might have messed with your precious preppy white guy time. I saw you there with your LaCoste alligator belt.

At least back then the commie pinkos and dillinger capitalist classmates could socialize, party and live together, party and fuck each other, and talk about whatever with some erudition.

R60 The difference is that this denial of reality is just cosplay bullshit. Do not compare transvestites to feminists.

There seems no rational adults left

No, he didn't love it. He was just using the old republican technique of pretending he loved it so he wouldn't look like such a scumbag. It's no different than the way some people when arrested will pose with a big smile in their mug shot, so it will look like they're having the time of their lives. These types let the public see them look like they're anything but on top.

Too bad they didn't all have rotten vegetables to throw at that motherfucker.

[quote]the optics on this are *pow!* *boom!* *sock!*

Thank you Lola Lasagne

This is a hard one to disagree in many respects, so in the classic quick get the political consultants the Dems have to figure out the language to agree with it without supporting this. The answer may be along the lines of it's a complicated question that deserves careful further study to help people come to a decision they won't regret.

The Texas Republicans know they've got a winner in this issue - it crosses party lines. It is going to be a powerful wedge issue problem - kind of the schools-can't-tell-parents-what-to-do with metastatic cancer. Dems, God bless them, will have the wrong message in response, if they've get one, or every Dem will have their own answer and one out-there position will be treated by the media as the answer of all Democrats. It's so easy to be a Republican once you've buried your soul.

Interesting

I am embarassed by this shit from both sides..dear fucking christ this is COLLEGE... yet it seems more like a live version reenactment of twitter.

I am depressed now.

If you're going to try and pass as a man and use male pronouns, why are you screaming like a woman?

What are these kids gonna do when they finish college? I can't imagine them being able to work a normal job where one has to dress professionally and toe-the-line to stay employed.

R93 LMAO it is so clear to anyone with a functioning brain that these "students" belong in an insane asylum. I feel so embarrassed for anyone on this thread who is seriously trying to defend the cattle's moronic groupthink. This is not liberal, not one of the "students" braying at the speaker is a liberal, and if you agree with this then you are NOT liberal either. Liberals use their brains and are NOT afraid of letting people they disagree with speak. Liberals understand that free speech REQUIRES you to defend speech you disagree with from censorship because liberals know that allowing any ideological censorship like the herd displays in the video will always come back to fuck you over. I feel bad for the people who think they're "helping" by joining these hate brigades, but I also find them disgusting. It's not THAT hard to figure out why free speech is good and censorship is bad.

Is there something inherently male about letting your fat gut out for everyone to see?

[quote]Imagine, as a male, if you were called a girl all your life--given a girl name, clothed in frilly dresses. It would really mess with your mind and you'd act out.

Then the solution is to let kids wear what they want to wear and do the activities they want to do, irregardless of their sex. Why is it that people think it's easier to pump kids full of dangerous puberty blockers than to abstain from enforcing outdated gender roles?

What sane person really thinks a small child understands the long term consequences of a "sex change"? It really is child abuse.

[quote][R16] it says SOCIALLY transition. The kid is just dressing how she chooses and asking people to refer to her with female pronouns. There are no medical interventions.

Only because he is so young. When he comes close to puberty, he'll be put on blockers. Once these kids have their delusions affirmed, and mommy gets tons of praise for being "tolerant" and "brave", there won't be any veering from the parth towards medical intervention.

I found a longer version, one hour (I cannot watch this). I only know an excerpt with the person on the right screaming like a madman with her or his or whatever gut hanging out of a crop top that was shared on Reddit this morning. I'm now scarred for life. Now, these look like sane people who are on the right side of history!

Go dilate R19.

r101...the guy taking pictures was hot...of course didn't hurt that he was surrounded by pasty white goblins...but he really was, objectively, hot.

Only beautiful people should have rights.

They're not wrong but the approach they used simply helped Younger rather than disarm him. He knew going to a liberal arts college would cause a heated reaction.

The students should have just refused to show up to the lecture. He is now going to use this over-the-top highly emotional protest to make a case that as a white god-fearing Christian man he is a victim of bigotry. Which will help him in politics.

R105 UNT is a large state university, but otherwise I think you're spot on. He's going to use them as a foil.

Transing children is wrong. The students behavior is illiberal and antithetical to the free exchange of ideas, R105. You are wrong on both points.

The guy for sure comes of as a conservative dick. I am not for physically transitioning children through hormones, but I am not against social transition for then so I am not really on his side. At the same time the kids come off as snot nosed brats with daddy issues incapable of actual intelligent debate. I agree with R105 in that they should have just not shown up at all, and instead protested outside the hall. The circus that was that protest may have generated more views but those kids aren't going to be generating alot of followers with that cringe they put out. It'll just be fodder for the cons to put all over the media, and social media.

Yes for the students talking back to right-wing legislators. No for the idea that the essence of womanhood is nail polish and dresses.

I don't know why so many people are finding their assigned gender such a burden that they see hormone injections and elective mastectomies and castration as preferable. I can see men thinking it's easier to be women--your job is to be pretty and admired. I can also see women who think being a male is freedom from feminine bullshit. I think both of these viewpoints are immature and superficial.

It also seems that people who are trans can't think or talk about anything else.

I do wish these people well, but these are my true feelings.

I hate to admit it, but Jeff Younger is by far the hottest person in that lecturing room.

It makes one Fear for the Future

I'm on this campus once a week and I can attest that 80% of the students look like the people in this video.

It's as if there's a slot machine with four hairstyles, four outfits, three body types, and two types of glasses frames, and each crank of the lever mints one of virtually endless combinations of samedifferent students.

Looking at the style of the kids, I have to conclude that short, unattractive and frumpy people shouldn’t wear black or grey. They should wear fun and colourful clothing, with accessories like bow-ties and adorable vintage hats.

Younger's child born a 9-year-old boy has gender dysphoria and has socially transitioned to a girl. Younger doesn't want that but has no custody and also fails to pay child support at that. So he's trying to pass a law to forbid transitioning children. Younger is an asshole who would be abusive to his child if he maintained custody. Young kids who are gender dysphoric need to be allowed to dress and act whatever they feel comfortable and even be able to use the name and pronoun they like. The mother is educated and is listening to the psychiatrist. I don't know why people on DL think that they are putting doing surgery on minors because they don't. Younger is not a good father as it's clear he's more concerned about his image than his daughter's well-being. The child may just be an effeminate gay given how young they are and I can guarantee Younger would treat him like shit in any case.

R114 Younger is right, even if it's for the wrong reasons. He's looking out for that child's wellbeing. There have also been court filings which attest that the child does not identify as a girl and has resisted efforts from his mother to strongarm him into a female identity.

I would have been content with the whole room being taken out by some unexplained, but horrific, event.

The students’ sombre dress style reminds me of 17th century Puritans.

Didn't a judge have to order the mother NOT to begin chemical transition?

Meh... I'm not siding with a Republican MAGAT no matter how obnoxious or unattractive the college kids were.

They’re somewhat similar to Liberal Arts college kids in the late 60s, but instead of being focused on some vague notion of “revolution” or class-warfare, they’re hyper-focused on identity politics. See this scene from the 1969 movie “Zabriskie Point” at ca 4:00.

When I went to college in the mid-2010s, it did seem people were walking on eggshells.

When I watched this debate from the 60s, I was taken aback by how open and patient the discussions were:

R119, what if their position was proven to be wrong or harmful? Would you still side with them?

All I see are hideous creatures with no style and original thoughts. At least the sjw from the 1960s had style and were actually intelligent.

They want to make it illegal for children to begin transitioning Wednesday?

Zoo?

What many of you oldtimers fail to realize is that the younger generation has "debate fatigue" on many of these decades old issues = women in the workplace, gays/trans in the military, interracial relationships, taxpayer funded healthcare, abortion rights, etc. that folks over 60 like Bill Maher have debated all of their lives (about 50 years now) & think these issues will always be "in play" in the debate arena.

The younger generation wants to debate newer issues like social media impacts, affordable housing, affordable college, gun safety, etc. & not issues like the "Don't say gay" bill in Florida that are straight out of the 1950s political playbook.

I love how it's apparently on the kids to know that, what with the war in Ukraine and all, that trans issues are BS. Why isn't it on this grownups to make that decision?

It's so funny how Republicans never have any agency.

"Interracial relationship", lol, there may be a miniscule population debating that. Is this the new trick where you signal you're a troll by throwing in one insane comment in an otherwise apparently reasonable list.

Also transing children is the topic, R126, not anything you listed. Disingenuous much?

[quote] Also transing children is the topic

Is it? Because the majority of posts are about the appearances of the protesters.

These are not even young adults, they’re kids (17/18 year olds.) Some of them obviously on the spectrum.

R130 Visa or MasterCard?

"I don't know why people on DL think that they are putting doing surgery on minors because they don't."

Now you're just lying (see link).

Your evidence is a Facebook page?

Of course "doing gender experiments on minors" is whipping up a handful of outlier cases into a national panic. It is a common trope of moral panics and so fucking transparent.

But of course, people who hate trans ppl don't give a shit about that and are just happy to cloak their bigotry in "concern for children."

^Imagine minimizing literal child abuse because it's "politically convenient" to do so.

You do the same thing with regards to biological men invading women's spaces by minimizing the legitimate concerns of women because this issue, understandably, crosses party lines, and you're too drunk on tribalism to think critically about this topic whenever it comes up on here.

Excuse me if I'm not going to take the opinions of a childless "penis-haver" about matters that more frequently affect women and children, at all seriously.

Excuse me if I observe panics based on "protecting the children" have been used over generations to heap abuse on gays, lesbians, black people and immigrants - literally every kind of person except white Christian men and women.

If you really give a shit about 'protecting children' (and you don't), you'd ban youth pastors and male gym teachers.

But you're a grandstanding bigot and you can go fuck yourself.

It's happening, R133. I'm sure you'll make some pathetic excuse about how the link below is to a conservative outlet though.

I saw pictures posted elsewhere of a mother gleefully celebrating that her young daughter had had her breasts removed. It's horrific. I don't know how you people can be so ignorant, or who you think is being helped by your "tolerance". It sure as shit isn't gay children.

It's fascinating to me that the article cited by R137 didn't talk to one of the people who underwent the surgery, one of their parents, or even try to explore why someone would do this.

The article itself says that there are 68 girls who did this (or had this done to them). I have no idea if they wanted to do it or their crazy parents did it to them.

However, 68 cases does not a trend make. In a nation of over 300 million people, it is a vanishingly small number.

It's bad to do this to a child - criminal, even. But to use this as an excuse to set up a state-sponsored Gestapo, as Texas has, is a transparently false bit of culture-war posturing that will ruin the lives of thousands and thousands of children and their families.

Fuuuuuuck you trans haters! Fuck you! fuck you fuck you fuck you!!!

[quote]The child may just be an effeminate gay given how young they are and I can guarantee Younger would treat him like shit in any case.

You seriously think that child will ever be allowed to go back to being an effeminate gay guy, now that mommy has invested in his "girlhood"?

Most of us probably played around with gender when we were young gay children. Experimented with clothes. Did that mean our parents ever indulged us to the point of using new names or pronouns? No, of course it didn't. It used to be that parents just let these things play out without trying to "fix it".

Do people here even realize that there is an exponential growth in trans kids across pretty much all western countries? It's social contagion, nothing more, and the kids who are being transed are the would-be-gays. It's Orwellian to see gay people here push for their own group's demise.

That's just the surgery, R138. Putting kids on puberty blockers or hormones is exceedingly common. Would you agree that those acts are also criminal?

By the way - you're being transparently disingenuous by comparing the number of 68 trans minors to the total number of US inhabitants, but I'm sure you knew that.

If we are to upend the life of every trans kid and every family member of a trans kid in the whole fucking country because 68 minors were allowed to have surgery (and they don't say over what period of time that surgery happened - was it a year? two? a decade? who can say?), then I'd say you're the fucking shitty bigot being disingenuous when you advocate this blatant discrimination under the cloak of protecting children.

Keep moving the goalposts, R141. You, or someone else, claimed that surgery isn't being performed on minors. You were proven wrong.

[quote]"I don't know why people on DL think that they are putting doing surgery on minors because they don't."

And you didn't answer my question. Are you okay with minors being put on puberty blockers and hormones? Hormones are just as irreversible as surgery

R139 R142 Thank you for informing us further. Social contagion - most definitely. Right now gays are only waging a war online (against trans overreach), at some point it will be more public.

Kids’ brains are still developing into their 20s. Why are we allowing permanent elective surgery on their body parts at such young ages? It’s not the concept I struggle with, it’s the age of the children.

OP thank you for starting this thread!

I’ve blocked more than 25 anti-trans trolls and other worthless pieces of shit (i.e. they look like they smell, they only have two types of glasses frames).

Another thread like this and I may need to consider unblocking some of the grammar trolls.

Although it wouldn’t surprise me if most of the grammar trolls are also anti-trans.

R145 I'm so happy for you, and thanks for keeping us updated.

I think what was "claimed" (or actually what is clearly true) is that the panic over "minors getting surgery" is, at best, happening to a vanishingly small number of children. This is clearly pretty bad and shouldn't happen. But children can't get surgery unless their parents agree - and we could sit here for days and list the ways a small number of crazy parents do irreparable harm to their children. For instance - refusing to get them vaccinated because...whatever and then the kids get smallpox or polio.

How about the parents who refuse to get their kids the HPV vaccine and their kids get it? Isn't that child abuse?

How about super-religious parents who rant against their gay kids and break their psyches?

This is *not about protecting children. It is about using the same old boogie man to terrorize a small and powerless minority.

And fuck anyone who jumps on the bandwagon.

Seriously - you're a fucking shitty person and should be ashamed of yourself.

The screamer at R93 is one day coming to a Grindr near you!

Kids aren't getting reassignment surgery. Who the hell keeps saying this? You have to be 18 and up for that. Puberty blockers are usually given in the teen years which will give the kid some time to decide. They are usually harmless, girls and boys can get them to delay early puberty as well. There has to be absolute certainty over gender dysphoria for them to be prescribed. Not just "I want to be this or that." More "I am this" with no uncertainty. Actual transitioning is the absolute last result.

You're a legal adult at 18. You can sign up to serve in the military at 17. You can drive at 16 and consent to sex. The brain stops developing at age 25. But maturity is relative and based more on personality, upbringing and world experience. Most people know what their gender is. Early childhood and early teen years are confusing especially around puberty but by the late teens you know. At 18, you definitely should know.

r93 The "I'm 17 years old. I'm a poli sci major. My pronouns are he/he/they. AND I'M TRANS!!!" girl

went on correcting people on her pronouns: "[bold]It/he/they[/bold] the video got it wrong"

Look at R147 deflecting, whataboutism, and hyperbole.

Top surgery, blockers/cross sex hormones cause irreversible changes. Most 14 year olds aren’t the same kid that they are at 18. They change their mind, are impulsive and don’t think about the long term. Which is why we have laws to protect them from themselves and others.

18-21 to buy cigarettes

16-18 to drive.

18 to vote and join the military.

21 to legally buy alcohol

25 to rent a car.

r148 Perfect Grindr material. Its bio says "Bi Demiro poly"

No child should be getting top or bottom surgery. At all. But puberty blockers from my knowledge do not cause irreversible damage as they are given to very young girls who develop breasts way too early to delay it until they are teens.

Not true r154.

With young people and certain issues, there's always this subtext of juvenile rebellion that makes it more appealing than it is. I think "trans rights" is only super important to them because they think it offends white men over fifty. It's more a disservice to the trans community than anything because as soon as they realize insouciance on behalf of their cause isn't agitating anymore, they're going to be cast aside.

I felt like that about the fight for gay marriage. Activists had all the smoke for the right-wing Christian conservative crowd with their Bible quotes and moral pleadings, but they mostly left the progressive Democrats alone who notionally sided with them but did very little to actually help the cause until it became politically expedient to do so.

These kids protesting are only doing it because it's a Republican. A Texas Democrat would likely never be brought to task for either going with the "anti-trans" bill, to say nothing of the fact that they wouldn't have to address why they disagree with their kid transitioning at seven years old in the first place.

I understand kids are too young to consent to trans surgeries and all. That should be 18 and up. But really fuck the idea that you're not an adult until 25. We do not need to extend adolescence. We need to encourage teens to become adults so they can be independent and self-reliant. Let them study trades, politics and travel and gain world experience. We do not need babyish adults. Teens are irresponsible because they aren't given real responsibility anymore. Teenager is a recent concept that did not exist in majority of history and still is not that strong a concept outside the West.

[quote]But puberty blockers from my knowledge do not cause irreversible damage as they are given to very young girls who develop breasts way too early to delay it until they are teens.

A gynecologist won't perform a hysterectomy on a female 18-35 unless there is an absolute severe medical need for it because it can throw the body into early menopause and leave the door open for bone density issues such as osteoporosis. It screws up the endocrine system because the ovaries provide estrogen. The female body needs estrogen.

Now, if a doctor isn't willing to deprive a grown-ass woman of estrogen unless dire medical circumstances (i.e endometriosis, PCOS, various uterine cancers, etc) call for it, what makes you think blocking the normal puberty development (meaning blocking the normal production of estrogen) of a young female's body is going to do to her in the long term?

Puberty blockers should retain the use for which they were originally indicated; to treat precocious puberty. Anything else is abuse and medically unethical.

^ *what do you think

OP's video would make for an iconic Trojan Condom commercial... just flash 'Proudly Sponsored by Trojan' at the end. Cha-ching!

Where did all you nutburger trans defenders come from?

"Puberty blockers" ( what arrogant branding! Behold, the chemical that stops your natural life progression! Believe it!) are more dangerous than cancer drugs. They last to loss of brain matter! Bone loss, brittle bones. The shots are horrific. Do NOT advocate for this.

Where did all you nutburger trans haters come from?

I think one of the puberty blockers is a cancer drug. Lupron made for middle-aged men with prostate cancer. Point me to the long term study of this cancer drug on the body of a 10 year old. Children can't consent to puberty blockers. It's just such a terrible tragedy to see the mainstream gay community support this biochemical assault on gay children.

Safe or not, puberty blocking "care" never made sense, anyway. "It buys time." Well, yes... But if the child has not experienced any maturation during that time, why would the outcome be any different?

Also, we're told that gender dysphoria is a hellish nightmare, so that means it's a bad thing, right? Something you want to cure, rather than encourage, right? Yet anyone who advocates for the one thing that seems to cure it, natural puberty, is wORse THan HiTLer, apparently.

Why doesn't R164 point the rest of us to a long-term study of depression and suicide in untreated trans children?

Why don't you justify how a 10 year old boy can consent to a lifetime condemned to a permanently shrunken penis r166? Did you understand sexuality at 10 years of age? Could you explain to me the consequences of stunting your own growth from the perspective of someone who can't drink, drive or do your own taxes?

R163 They come from the RNC and Russia and Texas and Florida.

Fuck off radfem transphobe, homosexuality IS NOT BASED on biological determinism, given that couples REPRODUCE, but two men or two women CAN'T DO THAT. So yes, soon gay and lesbian children will be targeted too.

^^^^^^

I meant R40 as the radscum.

[quote] Kids aren't getting reassignment surgery. Who the hell keeps saying this? You have to be 18 and up for that. Puberty blockers are usually given in the teen years which will give the kid some time to decide. They are usually harmless, girls and boys can get them to delay early puberty as well. There has to be absolute certainty over gender dysphoria for them to be prescribed. Not just "I want to be this or that." More "I am this" with no uncertainty. Actual transitioning is the absolute last result.

Lies, lies, lies. Here is a story from Canada about a 16 year old girl who was prescribed testosterone after a few 15 minute appointments with a doctor. Then she had a double mastectomy. She later regretted it.

I'm sympathetic to children with gender issues, but I'm very wary of encouraging any child to "transition." Seems to me this is a decision that ought to be made once one reaches adulthood. I dont know. Am I horrible for thinking this way. I really dont believe I am.

[quote]Am I horrible for thinking this way.

No.

Ok! So far, the Trans Kooks have pointed to one study where 60ish minors got surgery (was it 6 a year over 10 years? 64 in one day? Who knows???) and another anecdote about a child in Canada with a terrible parent and an even worse doctor.

So is that it? For the US and Canada? Almost 350 million people and you got btw 60-65 cases over who knows how many years?

Weak tea, bitches. Very weak.

But what isn't weak is your insane bigotry and obsessive asshole-ism!!

You sound deranged, R174. I hope you know that.

Why wouldn't there be more cases? Clearly there are no laws preventing giving minors either hormones, which are irreversible, or performing surgery on them.

You still haven't stated your position on hormones for minors. That's how it is with you tranny loons. You just ignore anything that goes against your narrative.

The standard age for prescribing cross sex hormones, which are irreversible, seems to be 16. When you're 16 you're a minor.

We know trans people existed throughout history and they were given their own third gender and clothing. I don't know why we can't do that instead of promoting surgery and hormones.

R176 because the big pharmas won't get their moneyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Because there are different degrees of gender dysphoria DUH, this is like suggesting that homosexuals should be satisfied with the decriminalization of gay sex and there's no need for gay marriage.

[quote]The younger generation wants to debate newer issues

That's great, but I see very little "debating" going on.

Pre-Christian European tribes, African, Indigenous, Middle Eastern and Asian tribes had androgynous and multiple gender categories. Even today it still exists in some cultures. Boys dressed as girls and taking the role of girls and girls dressed as boys and taking the role. They are refered in terms that indicate a third gender.

R180 It's a phenomenon associated with rigidly sexist cultures where women are inferior to men. The more misogynistic a culture is the more likely it is to have a third gender category- usually exclusively reserved for femme gay men.

[quote]You still haven't stated your position on hormones for minors

Do you know how insane this sounds?

Do I know how insane it sounds to be giving minors sex hormones, you mean? Yes, I do.

You're deflecting the question again though. Why is it so hard for you to answer?

I'm flattered that I have so much power that my "position" on anything matters.

Do any DLers live in Denton? There's ALWAYS this talk there about sex trafficking, they talk as if it is happening all the time, everywhere to everyone in Denton.

Are all college towns like this? Is sex trafficking actually rampant or does this generation consider Uber Eats and washing their hair sex trafficking or what? I'm there several times a month and I am subscribed to the Denton Reddit and a Denton Facebook group, and whenever anyone mentions sex trafficking (which is every day) it gets up voted/liked/crying-faced and everyone gets all serious. I don't know how to behave myself on non-DL message boards, so I don't even ask.