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Harvey Fierstein's new autobiography

The NY Times review, at least, is very funny:

It’s sobering to be reminded that as late as 1973, a male culture writer for The Village Voice was arrested for holding another man’s hand as they crossed a street in Greenwich Village. Fierstein’s interview with Barbara Walters in 1983, during the first successful run of “La Cage Aux Folles,” in which she “questioned me as if I were an interstellar alien” from Planet Homosexuality, was a thundering call for acceptance that still echoes today, on YouTube. “The norm,” he realized, “meant nothing but the majority.”

“I Was Better Last Night” gets to be more of an extended, eye-rubbing Tony acceptance speech after Fierstein hits the big time with “La Cage” and “Hairspray” and their various tours and revivals — or at least the medium time (Hollywood has never made proper use of him). Still, this man seems to roll around, constitutionally, in velvety darkness. Medical matters, including a suicide attempt in the mid-1990s, are handled with matter-of-fact frankness. When living “Cheetos-to-cheek,” he suffered terrible dental problems. Acting as Tevye in “Fiddler on the Roof,” he got a hernia and had to manipulate his intestines back into place to go on. He had an aortic valve replacement, and offered the choice between pig, cow or manufactured, he wondered: “How serious could this be if it involved shopping?” (There are enough one-liners in “I Was Better Last Night” for a one-man show, and guess what, he’s available.)

The effect of AIDS on his community has left Fierstein — only spared, he surmises, because he grew bored with anonymous sex — burning with as much righteous rage as when he pointedly kissed a disease-phobic Ginger Rogers, a childhood idol, on the cheek backstage at “The Tonight Show.” “They’ve turned us into drug addicts,” he writes of antiviral medication manufacturers, “and managing us is a very profitable business.”

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by Anonymousreply 556April 18, 2022 12:53 AM

Was there an older memoir already or is this the first?

by Anonymousreply 1March 1, 2022 12:23 PM

This I would read.

by Anonymousreply 2March 1, 2022 12:57 PM

Waiting for the Kindle version.

by Anonymousreply 3March 1, 2022 1:03 PM

you can get the kindle versions now

by Anonymousreply 4March 1, 2022 1:06 PM
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by Anonymousreply 5March 1, 2022 1:07 PM

Looks like it would be a really interesting read

by Anonymousreply 6March 1, 2022 1:08 PM

OMG click on the "audible sample" @ R5 - I don't think I can handle that voice for the whole book.

by Anonymousreply 7March 1, 2022 1:49 PM

Ugh, I hate that ebooks are so expensive now. I’m cheap, I’ll wait until it’s on sale or, hopefully, comes to my library.

by Anonymousreply 8March 1, 2022 2:04 PM

Just downloaded this to my Kindle. I’m already into it. He’s a fascinating man.

by Anonymousreply 9March 1, 2022 2:17 PM

I love him and I'm happy nobody's being a cunt

by Anonymousreply 10March 1, 2022 2:20 PM

I was a bit cunty @r7

by Anonymousreply 11March 1, 2022 2:26 PM

His voice is rough. Scratchy voices can be grating for some.

by Anonymousreply 12March 1, 2022 3:52 PM

Torch Song Trilogy is one of my all-time favorite movies -- I'd read this book in a hot minute.

by Anonymousreply 13March 1, 2022 3:58 PM

Oh, I thought you meant Harvey Weinstein. I misread.

by Anonymousreply 14March 1, 2022 4:01 PM

Harvey just wants to be loved, is that so wrong?

Now, plug away.

by Anonymousreply 15March 1, 2022 4:10 PM

I hope he gets nice residuals from Independence Day.

by Anonymousreply 16March 1, 2022 4:26 PM

She's fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 17March 1, 2022 4:36 PM

who cares??

by Anonymousreply 18March 1, 2022 5:45 PM

Thanks for the heads up OP. I just ordered it from the library.

by Anonymousreply 19March 1, 2022 5:56 PM

RE16 he doesn't need it because he comes from old tire money.

by Anonymousreply 20March 1, 2022 6:15 PM

[quote]Torch Song Trilogy is one of my all-time favorite movies

^ dollface

[quote]-- I'd read this book in a hot minute.

^ more cuteness

by Anonymousreply 21March 1, 2022 7:04 PM

Actually, I liked the film but the screeching at his mother (Anne Bancroft) should have been edited down, it went on and on.

by Anonymousreply 22March 1, 2022 7:06 PM

I just googled him. I love that he's from Brooklyn. Where else?

by Anonymousreply 23March 1, 2022 7:23 PM

When he first hit it big with the Broadway production of Torch Song Trilogy, Harvey lived in my neighborhood in Park Slope. This was in the mid-80s. I'd see him smoking out on his stoop all the time.

Though I respect his talents, I actually worked with him about 10 years ago and was disappointed to find him rather cold and hostile. He was not the cuddly bear some might believe him to be. I suppose it might come from being severely disappointed on a personal level throughout his life, he just seemed wary of anyone he didn't know well.

by Anonymousreply 24March 1, 2022 7:33 PM

[quote]Thanks for the heads up OP. I just ordered it from the library.

Me too. Am third in line.

by Anonymousreply 25March 1, 2022 7:33 PM

He’s a fascinating guy and his take over the years on being gay in a straight world is alternately hysterical and jarring. He once did a terrific monologue on how gay folks edit themselves in big and small ways without realizing it in the course of a normal day. Cannot wait to read this.

by Anonymousreply 26March 1, 2022 7:41 PM

R24, I’m sure he has developed a method of protecting himself from both being taken advantage of and being ridiculed in his chosen profession and the public life that comes with it. I can see how trust is something he reserves.

by Anonymousreply 27March 1, 2022 7:45 PM

Loved him as Mrs. Claus after the Karen’s of New York drummed him from the role of Santa at the Macys Thanksgiving Day Parade some years back. It probably won’t merit a mention n his memoirs.

by Anonymousreply 28March 1, 2022 7:46 PM

Who does Harvey trash in his book?

by Anonymousreply 29March 1, 2022 8:21 PM

Yeah, if you've read the book, please spill on some of the juiciest gossip.

I read somewhere that Harvey says in the book he "saved" Hairspray and wrote all of the best lines even though librettists Tom Meehan and Mark O'Donnell never gave him proper credit (Meehan and O'Donnell are dead btw).

by Anonymousreply 30March 2, 2022 12:31 AM

Btw, I believe Harvey.

by Anonymousreply 31March 2, 2022 12:31 AM

I love a juicy memoir hope this doesn’t disappoint

by Anonymousreply 32March 2, 2022 1:22 AM

He was almost attractive 40 years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 33March 2, 2022 1:40 AM

[quote] I don't think I can handle that voice for the whole book.

He won an EMMY Award for narrating the documentary "The Life & Times of Harvey Milk"

by Anonymousreply 34March 2, 2022 1:43 AM

[quote] Who does Harvey trash in his book?

He trashes Barbara Walters for conducting a homophobic interview. Walters thought she was doing a favor for the gay community by raising awareness back in the early 80s. Harvey says all she did was push stereo-types

by Anonymousreply 35March 2, 2022 1:45 AM

Great interview on the Mrs. Doubtfire junket where Harvey talks about the mispronunciation of his surname, his voice (describing it as a backed-up vacuum cleaner) , how he accosted Robin Williams in a parking lot to get the role, and how all their scenes were improvised.

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by Anonymousreply 36March 2, 2022 2:19 AM
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by Anonymousreply 37March 2, 2022 2:36 AM

I just wanna be loved! Is that so wruonnng???

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by Anonymousreply 38March 2, 2022 2:50 AM

[quote]Yeah, if you've read the book, please spill on some of the juiciest gossip.

I'm skipping around in it, but here are a few paraphrases:

- After Torch Song Trilogy was a mainstream hit, Ethel Merman came to see it and visited Harvey backstage. "I thought it was a fucking piece of shit, but everyone else was laughing and clapping, so what do I know," she told him.

- When he was cutting/rewriting TST, Estelle Getty would track script changes to ensure he cut two of his own lines for every one of hers. She was bitter about losing the Tony for the play and told Harvey she would have traded her Golden Girls Emmy for it.

- He loved Matthew Broderick, and after Harvey developed throat cancer Matthew had his father James Broderick come by the theater because James had been fighting throat cancer for years. Harvey says James was a lovely guy who only lasted a few more months after that.

- Harvey was one of the people who worked as script doctor on the book of Hairspray the musical, which was severely rewritten. One day Mark O'Donnell, who was one of the original co-writers, told Harvey that O'Donnell's last line had been removed and 100% of the book now was written by other people. Harvey notes it didn't stop Mark from accepting the Tony for Best Book of a Musical.

- He says he was thrilled when he got the chance to work with Arthur Laurens but Laurens was a critical nightmare. Shirley MacLaine warned him off Laurens, but he collaborated anyway and found out. As proof, he includes a photo from the curtain call at the Tonys where everyone is applauding except Laurens and MacLaine, and it's pretty obvious he's lecturing her while Raquel Welch looks on in puzzlement. Later Shirley tells Harvey that Laurens had used the curtain call of the Tonys to tell her all the perceived faults of her one-woman show, and expected her to listen to it.

by Anonymousreply 39March 2, 2022 2:54 AM

R37 He's charming and she's horrible.

by Anonymousreply 40March 2, 2022 2:59 AM

Laurents, FYI, a talented but awful man.

by Anonymousreply 41March 2, 2022 3:41 AM

If only Merman had lived to play "Ma" on film, instead on Anne Bancroft...

by Anonymousreply 42March 2, 2022 3:48 AM

[quote]Laurents, FYI, a talented but awful man.

Another one from Brooklyn. It never ends.

by Anonymousreply 43March 2, 2022 3:52 AM

I just used my audible credit for this - thank you, OP! Stories like his are often best told through their own narration. Torch Song Trilogy was before my time, but I remember him in Mrs. Doubtfire and I learned more about him through Estelle Getty. I'm really looking forward to start listening to this.

by Anonymousreply 44March 2, 2022 5:59 AM

that Barbara Walters interview does give us a brief glimpse of Estelle Getty in Torch Song Trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 45March 2, 2022 6:00 AM

I hope that he does talk about how great Estelle was, even just a little bit.

by Anonymousreply 46March 2, 2022 6:04 AM

Harvey wrote this when Estelle died.

"AT the height of popularity of “The Golden Girls,” there was no more beloved character on television than Sophia Petrillo. Estelle Getty, who brought Sophia indelibly to life, was awestruck: “What the hell is going on? I have the highest TVQ of any woman on television?”

It was true. For several years, Estelle Getty, formerly Estelle Gettleman of Bayside, Queens, was the most bankable star on any network. She was bigger than Carol Burnett, more saleable than Mary Tyler Moore and surer to deliver viewers than Cher. Still, the day after she won the Emmy, she told me she’d trade it and her Golden Globe for a Tony.

Despite all of the glamour, glory and gold of television fame, Estelle Getty was a theater creature.

With her husband, Arthur, and friends Anne and Jules Weiss, she was a fixture at La Mama ETC and other off-off Broadway venues. Working as a bookkeeper by day, this semi-pro actress haunted the East Village by night supporting experimental theater.

In 1978, when we produced the first of the plays that would become “Torch Song Trilogy,” Estelle chided me: “Listen, Mr. Big Shot Playwright. Why don’t you write the role of your mother, and I’ll play it opposite you?”

Just picturing this 4-foot-8-inch fireball playing the mother of a 6-foot-tall drag queen made me giggle. The following year, when she came to see the second of the trilogy, she challenged me again, and this time I took the bait. I went home and created Mrs. Beckoff for Estelle.

From the first reading through seven years of productions here and on the road, the marriage of actress to role was remarkable. There was simply nothing like seeing this henna-wigged tornado in a turquoise suit arrive onstage to announce, “I’m the mother.”

So great was her performance that almost every audience member identified with my character. You read that right: Estelle’s Mrs. Beckoff was so identifiable that everyone claimed her as his or her mother. And if she was their mother, then they were a drag queen.

The thing about Estelle was that you could not catch her acting. She was being. If her character was supposed to be angry, Estelle got angry. If her character was brokenhearted, the actress was brokenhearted. It all felt real.

Acting opposite her was both a pleasure and a challenge, since she demanded the same truth from the rest of us. When we’d fool around onstage, as actors in long runs tend to do, she would berate us, even hit us, and then join in the laugh.

Popular thinking is that by creating Mrs. Beckoff, I launched Estelle’s career. But it is just as true that when Estelle inspired that character, she gave me mine.

Without the mother, “Torch Song Trilogy” would never have achieved its universal popularity and might not have reached further than La Mama. But with the mother, the play was, and remains, a force not to be denied.

And so, hand in hand in hand, Estelle, Mrs. Beckoff and I marched our way to Broadway and theater history.

Still, with Estelle’s triumph came disappointment. When the 1982 Tony nominations were announced, Estelle was overlooked. We were stunned. How could anyone who’d witnessed that performance overlook the achievement?

The only explanation I could muster was that she was so natural in the way she inhabited the role that people couldn’t see how hard she was actually working. She made it all look effortless when it was anything but.

Estelle was dealt another blow four years later when she wasn’t cast in the film version of “Torch Song.” Although we never discussed it directly, I knew how much that hurt her. (Recently, I’ve come to know exactly how she felt – know what I mean?)

Estelle and I remained friends and supporters of each other’s efforts for more than 30 years. I’m proud to say that her last job was voicing a character for my HBO family special, “The Sissy Duckling.” I take comfort knowing the world will always have a part of her in those endless “Golden Girls” reruns.

But only those who saw her onstage have any idea who we really lost this week."

by Anonymousreply 47March 2, 2022 9:38 AM

Does Harvey mention Mercedes Ruehl who was anything but stellar in the TST revival?

by Anonymousreply 48March 2, 2022 12:51 PM

R47, it seems well written and appropriately demure

by Anonymousreply 49March 2, 2022 8:19 PM

Who on DL has had Fierstein???

by Anonymousreply 50March 2, 2022 8:19 PM

Yeah surely someone on DL has been intimate with Harvey

by Anonymousreply 51March 2, 2022 9:28 PM

The book is so good…I’m finishing up the chapter where he works with Warhol. He’s very blunt and unapologetic about it all…

by Anonymousreply 52March 2, 2022 11:40 PM

I think it’s interesting what’s missing:

1) Does not mention Billy Porter at all despite a huge chapter on Kinky boots (meow)

2) The Birdcage

3. John Travolta or the movie version of Hairspray

4.) Arthur Laurent’s passing and how the relationship ended

by Anonymousreply 53March 3, 2022 1:16 AM

Does it mention why Estelle Getty didn't do the movie version of Torch Song Trilogy?

She was a bigger star than anyone in the cast at the time it was made.

by Anonymousreply 54March 3, 2022 1:21 AM

[quote]Hollywood has never made proper use of him...

HUH?

Hollywood is a "Dream Factory", not Jesus at the Wedding at Cana! What in the name of Ann Miller's wig was Hollywood supposed to do with him?

by Anonymousreply 55March 3, 2022 1:31 AM

[quote]Does Harvey mention Mercedes Ruehl who was anything but stellar in the TST revival?

Damn, that "Torch Song" revival was one of the most poorly conceived, inept, embarrassing shitshows I've ever seen on Broadway. As dated and joyless as it was unfunny and false, I couldn't even see the remnants of the original production I had enjoyed so much in 1984.

Both Michael Urie and Mercedes Ruehl were complete dogshit, really embarrassingly bad.

by Anonymousreply 56March 3, 2022 1:43 AM

[r54] yes he says the studio only wanted Anne Bancroft. He said Estelle was bitter about losing the part but remained friendly to Harvey

by Anonymousreply 57March 3, 2022 1:44 AM

Does he talk about Kathleen Turner? I remember he was on Arsenio Hall I believe and he called her a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 58March 3, 2022 1:55 AM

[quote]yes he says the studio only wanted Anne Bancroft. He said Estelle was bitter about losing the part but remained friendly to Harvey

I would have been pissed too. Estelle had the highest likeability ratings out of anyone on TV at that point. Coupled with The Golden Girls being a hit, she should have been a no brainer to cast.

Love Anne Bancroft, but she completely miscast. And she was well past her prime of being a bankable actress herself by that point.

by Anonymousreply 59March 3, 2022 1:58 AM

It is great that Harvey gives Estelle her due for Torch Song Trilogy, saying she was as much responsible for the success of that play as much as he was,

by Anonymousreply 60March 3, 2022 2:01 AM

[quote] John Travolta or the movie version of Hairspray

he alludes to that when he talks about how hurt Estelle must have been to be passed over for the movie role of Torch Song

"Although we never discussed it directly, I knew how much that hurt her. (Recently, I’ve come to know exactly how she felt – know what I mean?)"

by Anonymousreply 61March 3, 2022 2:03 AM

Harvey also says that when Anne Bancroft saw the finished film of Torch Song she said something to the effect: "If I knew how good this was gonna be I would have tried harder."

by Anonymousreply 62March 3, 2022 2:07 AM

Can't wait to hear what he says about "that smelly flop" "Legs Diamond" which Bruce Vilanch apparently had a hand in doctoring.

by Anonymousreply 63March 3, 2022 2:08 AM

While everyone seems to love watch Harvey act, it seems like most theatre people aren't very fond of his books for Broadway musicals, whether they're adaptations like Newsies, Kinky Boots and Funny Girl or original like A Catered Affair. Would that be true? I'm sure I've forgotten some other examples.

by Anonymousreply 64March 3, 2022 2:11 AM

Kinky Boots is an inexplicably awful show for a major hit that ran about SEVEN YEARS!

I too was standing, clapping and on the verge of tears at the curtain call, yet I cannot recall a single thing I liked about the show.

Go figure!

by Anonymousreply 65March 3, 2022 2:36 AM

Kinky Boots is a steaming turd from start to finish.

by Anonymousreply 66March 3, 2022 2:55 AM

The Bancroft casting story is that Harvey met her on the film Garbo Talks where he had a small part. It was then he promised her the mother part in the film of Torch Song. At the time Bancroft was having a career revival after floundering in the late 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 67March 3, 2022 2:57 AM

The audio book is really good. I like how his personality comes through. I too am just finishing up the Warhol era. I knew it would be good and it's a really interesting/easy listen.

by Anonymousreply 68March 3, 2022 2:57 AM

[quote]Does it mention why Estelle Getty didn't do the movie version of Torch Song Trilogy?

Great question! He lays it at the foot of director Paul Bogart, who had done a lot of TV, including The Golden Girls. He says Bogart "didn't think her performances would translate to the big screen" and offered it to Anne Bancroft, who jumped at it.

More tidbits:

When they filmed the drag sequences with Charles Pierce, Pierce told the other queens, "Girls, my mother is coming to the set today, so ... not a word!" After half a century in drag, he still had not come out to his mother.

"I could never catch what Candy Darling was talking about, and when I did, it wasn't worth the effort. Jackie Curtis was a genius — absolutely — but she'd steal your lipstick, eat your sandwich, smoke your last cigarette, and get pissed you didn't have more to swipe. Jackie was a pain."

When the movie of TST came out, a writer named Bruce Bibby interviewed Harvey for Premiere. The two entered into a five-year relationship that was weakened when Bibby got sober (Harvey did not) and decided to concentrate on being Internet gossip columnist Ted Casablanca.

Talk show hosts Harvey liked: Carson, Arsenio. He was puzzled by the Barbara Walters interview, and soured on Bill Maher.

During his run of Fiddler on the Roof, he had a severe hernia: "my intestines, quite often, would protrude through the tear and I'd have to manipulate them back into place during the show." (!)

by Anonymousreply 69March 3, 2022 4:29 AM

does harvey comment on Bancroft otherwise? I remember a story of when they were filming the funeral scene and she had Matthew Broderick removed because his eating a popsicle was distracting her.

by Anonymousreply 70March 3, 2022 4:52 AM

Estelle was nothing more than a third banana on a dumb sitcom. She had no range and her name meant nothing at the box office. Not that Bancroft's did, but she was in the middle of a career renaissance and her name brought an importance that said TST was award caliber. Jordan had his movie star (Broderick), his Tony winning tie to the play (Fierstein, who wasn't going to let anyone else play that role, anyway) and he needed prestige, which came in the form of classic movie star/Academy Award winner Anne Bancroft. No, Bancroft was not likely to make a difference, money-wise, but that movie didn't have a hope in hell of being an across the board box office hit. They had to try and get it awards. And why would anyone think Getty would get an Oscar nomination when she couldn't even get a Tony nomination for the play? She was not a good actress.

by Anonymousreply 71March 3, 2022 4:53 AM

the film was a box office success. and the advertising cleverly listed the actor's names in alpha order to give Bancroft the lead though she plays a supporting role.

by Anonymousreply 72March 3, 2022 4:59 AM

Just came across this gem: Harvey was bitter toward Gene Barry during the run of LA CAGE because Gene got his stalled career going with the show — but refused to ride the backstage elevator with the drag queens because he thought he might get AIDS from them.

by Anonymousreply 73March 3, 2022 5:01 AM

Well, it was 1983, not that much was known about AIDS and close to a half dozen of the Cagelles actually did die from it, so it's not like Harvey could have expected more from him.

by Anonymousreply 74March 3, 2022 5:07 AM

When Harvey played Albin....

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by Anonymousreply 75March 3, 2022 7:25 AM

Live in "Torch Song" on Broadway...

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by Anonymousreply 76March 3, 2022 7:27 AM

With the fine original Broadway cast in "Hairspray"...

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by Anonymousreply 77March 3, 2022 7:28 AM

Legend! This man literally saved my life.

Already have the audiobook.

by Anonymousreply 78March 3, 2022 7:35 AM

this man is everything

by Anonymousreply 79March 3, 2022 7:45 AM

Christ, am I the only boy in Manhattan not reading this? My library has a long waitlist and I don’t even have an open slot on the Overdrive to request it yet!

by Anonymousreply 80March 3, 2022 10:15 AM

You'd better make room R80.

by Anonymousreply 81March 3, 2022 10:32 AM

I'm picking up my copy from our local libarary this morning. Now I'm really looking forward to it.

by Anonymousreply 82March 3, 2022 10:38 AM

This is the closest DL has come to a book club since I’ve joined.

by Anonymousreply 83March 3, 2022 11:08 AM

I've thought about listening to an audio book.

Does the person read the entire book cover to cover?

Doesn't this take hours and hours?

by Anonymousreply 84March 3, 2022 11:38 AM

listen to a sample here.

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by Anonymousreply 85March 3, 2022 12:03 PM

apparently the audiobook is 12 hours 32 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 86March 3, 2022 12:06 PM

Harvey on Late Night with Seth Meyers.

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by Anonymousreply 87March 3, 2022 12:09 PM

R86 Which is usually much quicker then a person can read on their own, so in fact it can be time saving, especially if you are doing other things at the same time such as exercising or cleaning or while driving. You can also download them directly into you phone from the library without even visiting.

by Anonymousreply 88March 3, 2022 12:58 PM

Thanks to 86/88 for the info.

12 hours. There's a time investment.

I can't believe Harvey is so big! Certainly a doctor would tell him to start watching what he eats.

TST is also one of my favorite movies.

by Anonymousreply 89March 3, 2022 1:10 PM

I never understood all the fuss about Estelle Gettys. She was wooden, self-conscious, a caricature and the least talented, by far, of everyone on Golden Girls, even the minor characters. Harvey's comments about her are ridiculously over the top and just so obviously false. It is like the tendency over-praising the most limited person in the family to try to ignore the truth everyone knows.

by Anonymousreply 90March 3, 2022 1:18 PM

R24

"... cold and hostile...."

This is actually a fairly common reaction to abuse and or being constantly let down as a child, teen or young adult. People just don't trust anyone after opening up and being shat upon or otherwise badly treated each and every time.

Descriptions of aloof, cold, bitter, hostile, angry, and so forth often are coping mechanisms people learned or build up over years as way of self protection.

by Anonymousreply 91March 3, 2022 1:34 PM

Yes, r91, I could definitely see it that way.

I just had thought that as another middle aged NY Jewish gay man on the project (and I'm nice-looking and in no way threatening!), Harvey could have shown a little warmth towards me. I certainly never tried to be his best friend. But he wasn't particularly friendly with anyone on the project.

by Anonymousreply 92March 3, 2022 2:21 PM

Does he discuss boyfriends or sex life? I assume he hires rentboys.

by Anonymousreply 93March 3, 2022 2:34 PM

He sort of tears into Peter Allen for ruining the show, and claims Larry Kert, who was Peter's stand-in, could have made the material work. He is mystified still as to why Peter was so gung-ho about playing this character. And then he turned it into what was essentially a concert musical. He does mention the many people from the production who died from AIDS complications.

by Anonymousreply 94March 3, 2022 2:42 PM

Does Harvey talk about Brian Kerwin in his book?

by Anonymousreply 95March 3, 2022 3:22 PM

Suicidal Harvey Fierstein drank half a gallon of Southern Comfort a day

[quote]The Brooklyn-born actor and writer, 69, also believes that a factor in his depression was surviving the AIDS epidemic, which decimated his peer group in the 1980s and ’90s. He writes that one of the reasons he never contracted the then-deadly virus was because he’d stopped having anonymous sex by the fall of 1981, for the blandest of reasons — he was bored by the mechanics.

[quote]Living through the “gay plague” has made the “Kinky Boots” playwright furious at anti-vaxxers. “Watching people standing on bridges, refusing to get shots and I’m like, ‘You should have been a homosexual in the AIDS crisis and seen what we went through,'” he said. “You don’t want a f—ing shot? You little piece of s–t.

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by Anonymousreply 96March 3, 2022 3:30 PM

I had no idea Harvey and Ted Casablanca were a item. Ted is pretty gorgeous. Harvey wasn't bad when he was younger too.

by Anonymousreply 97March 3, 2022 3:37 PM

The only thing I'm excited about in returning to the office is that my commute will allow me time to read. This book will be my first.

by Anonymousreply 98March 3, 2022 3:39 PM

I remember that Peter Allen had this kind of "can't miss, I'm so great, this is going to be a smash" attitude about "Legs Diamond". Then you saw him perform numbers on tv show, and it didn't add up to much. It was a big disconnect from reality. And a huge comedown from someone who did have talent, but not apparently as an actor, and not as much as he thought as a performer. It must have been humiliating, but he kind of set himself up for it. Didn't anyone tell him anything?

by Anonymousreply 99March 3, 2022 3:45 PM

Do you think actors like Harvey are melancholic about the impact on their careers that the de-stigmatization of playing gay roles, as well as being openly gay, has had.

I mean, he had the market cornered on certain gay roles for a few years. Now, you rarely see him cast in anything.

by Anonymousreply 100March 3, 2022 3:47 PM

Have you seen Harvey prompting his book? He is morbidly obese. That could be one reason he's not appearing in anything.

by Anonymousreply 101March 3, 2022 3:50 PM

sorry, promoting his book.

by Anonymousreply 102March 3, 2022 3:51 PM

Isn’t Ted Casablanca the character that Jessica Walters would get all excited about on Arrested Development?

by Anonymousreply 103March 3, 2022 3:56 PM

That was Gene Parmesan, played by Martin Mull.

by Anonymousreply 104March 3, 2022 4:08 PM

Let’s be honest: Harvey is a one-note actor. But even if he were brilliant, that voice and lisp aren’t working in his favor.

Still, he could make a nice addition to The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. He could play a Joe Cino type character.

by Anonymousreply 105March 3, 2022 4:23 PM

I have not read the book, but the part of every word of Mark O'Donnell being written out is true. I knew both Mark and Thomas Meehan (and William Ivey Long, who did the costumes). Mark was totally without talent.

Harvey can be a real ass. Not sure if he mentions his collection of ballerina lamps, but he was pretty much loathed among antique dealers. He was a combination of "Do you know who I am", viciously competitive collector who would buy something just to keep another person from buying it, and cheap as they come.

One of the many problems with Legs Diamond was that they over-sold a special laser effect that would show the "bullets" from the machine gun. The effect never worked; so, the audience was already coming in disappointed before the show started. It should also be noted that Julie Wilson was not much of an actor either.

by Anonymousreply 106March 3, 2022 4:42 PM

I can vouch for Harvey being a major asshole. I've had to deal with him a couple times in a professional capacity and it's almost like he goes out of his way to be unpleasant. Not surprising he and Cyndi Lauper got along so well together working on Kinky Boots.

by Anonymousreply 107March 3, 2022 5:01 PM

Cyndi can be very nice, but she's a major micromanager right before she has to go on.

by Anonymousreply 108March 3, 2022 5:07 PM

Obviously show business attracts a lot of mentally ill people. Glad I'm untalented and have no interest in even the most talented of people outside of what they do on stage of screen. I'd never go to the theater or movies again if I had to deal with these people professionally.

by Anonymousreply 109March 3, 2022 5:13 PM

R109 Show biz had terrific people as well as assholes. Work in a law firm and you'll find most partners and associates trying to make partner are jerks as well. Or in most businesses.

by Anonymousreply 110March 3, 2022 5:15 PM

Though sometimes it is better not to meet your heroes or people you admire in real life.

by Anonymousreply 111March 3, 2022 5:16 PM

[quote] have no interest in even the most talented of people outside of what they do on stage of screen.

And yet, you have enough interest to read this behind-the-scenes show biz thread and post on it.

by Anonymousreply 112March 3, 2022 5:21 PM

[quote] One of the many problems with Legs Diamond was

Americans like their gangsters to be heterosexual. We want a story about glorified chorus boys, we’ll produce a show about Tommy Tune.

by Anonymousreply 113March 3, 2022 5:22 PM

R87 Big as a house!

by Anonymousreply 114March 3, 2022 5:30 PM

Harvey actually has rather good skin and hardly anything in the way of wrinkles. If he lost weight, he'd look pretty good actually. But he's put on quite a bit.

by Anonymousreply 115March 3, 2022 5:34 PM

I have seen a lot of Broadway shows in my time, and there are certain performers I like more than others, but after dealing with a lot of other Broadway fans, I can see that it definitely is quite a different world than movies and TV and the soaps. Live performance is great, but the fanatical fans get on my nerves at times. I'm sure some theater performers started off as fans of one sort or another, and there is a mind set of some that is impossible to deal with.

by Anonymousreply 116March 3, 2022 5:35 PM

[quote]but not apparently as an actor.

Well, he schertainly fooled me.

by Anonymousreply 117March 3, 2022 5:40 PM

When I was a kid doing some stage-dooring once in a while, I met some hysterical super autograph hounds who bragged about having all sorts of stuff. I asked this one guy if he had someone or other, but he was absolutely stumped and glared out me when I asked him if he had Miyoshi Umeki! (Oh shit, that's her cue)

by Anonymousreply 118March 3, 2022 5:44 PM

While Harvey isn't the traditional Bway star but he fits in with all the other idiosyncratic performers that are specific to NY theatre.

He always makes you root for him.

by Anonymousreply 119March 3, 2022 6:06 PM

If Harvey lost a lot of weight now, the wrinkles would appear. They are currently being stretched out.

by Anonymousreply 120March 3, 2022 6:22 PM

If he kept on about 20-30 lbs. more than his ideal weight, he'd still have good skin. He's pretty pale, so he probably stayed out of the sun -- or wore makeup with sun protection.

by Anonymousreply 121March 3, 2022 6:25 PM

I'd be curious about his working relationship with Billy Porter. I saw Kinky Boots in the front row, and at the time, I liked Billy. My feelings have greatly changed.

by Anonymousreply 122March 3, 2022 6:25 PM

Billy Porter was very good in "Kinky Boots", but never cared for him before that, or really since. But I think "Lola" and musical theater and I still think Gwen Verdon.

by Anonymousreply 123March 3, 2022 6:27 PM

Billy was great in Kinky Boits, but his character and performance were very obnoxious in Shuffle Along. There was a sense of arrogance that came out of him when I saw it.

by Anonymousreply 124March 3, 2022 6:31 PM

This is the first I've heard of Kinky Boots not being the answer to everything. I thought it was universally adored. Wow. I'm going to go down a rabbit hole now and look for reviews of it. My nabe flew to NY for his bday in summer 2018 and told me he saw it. I wasn't aware of who was involved until later. He seemed to enjoy it.

This is one reason DL is a great place to surf. You learn so much about different opinions on something you thought was already sewn up.

by Anonymousreply 125March 3, 2022 6:44 PM

R125, I saw Kinky Boots in NYC, and didn't like it. I saw it in London with Killian Donnelly and Matt Henry and enjoyed it. It isn't the greatest musical, but it is a nice evening out.

by Anonymousreply 126March 3, 2022 6:48 PM

Harvey and Ted Casablanca by all accounts are still quite close and have been for years since their breakup romantically. Though mind boggles how the two ever got together in first place, stranger liaisons have been known to happen.

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by Anonymousreply 127March 3, 2022 6:54 PM

[quote] I'd be curious about his working relationship with Billy Porter. I saw Kinky Boots in the front row, and at the time, I liked Billy. My feelings have greatly changed.

I've watched Billy Porter's career grow over the last 20 years and he's always been an excellent actor/singer. I'm thrilled he has a national following now. I don't get the DL dislike of him. Sure, he can be over-the-top with his outfit, but he's just playing the Hollywood game. He gets people talking about him, which is the point.

by Anonymousreply 128March 3, 2022 7:15 PM

Kinky Boots was alot of fun in the moment. I can say the same thing for most Bway shows. Only a few really stay with you.

by Anonymousreply 129March 3, 2022 7:16 PM

It takes Ted FOREVER to cum.

by Anonymousreply 130March 3, 2022 7:40 PM

"Harvey can be a real ass. Not sure if he mentions his collection of ballerina lamps, but he was pretty much loathed among antique dealers. He was a combination of "Do you know who I am", viciously competitive collector who would buy something just to keep another person from buying it, and cheap as they come."

You speak the truth. In the golden years of the NYC Flea Market and Antiques World, Harvey was one of the most loathed celebrity shoppers, imperious and surly. I used to sell at the Triple-Pier Antique shows and though he never visited my booth, I had the delicious pleasure of seeing him kicked out of the booth of a bakelite jewelry dealer for his contemptuous attitude towards the dealers assistant.

Sweetest celebrity shopper: Bobby Short , who collected black memorabilia. Very flirty and loved being recognized.

by Anonymousreply 131March 3, 2022 8:36 PM

I put an ebook reserve in early with the library. I’m #5 on the waitlist.

by Anonymousreply 132March 3, 2022 8:52 PM

The collector is now a collectible.

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by Anonymousreply 133March 3, 2022 9:17 PM

I don't think any of us who actually toil on Broadway liked Kinky Boots. Best definition of a tourist hit.

by Anonymousreply 134March 3, 2022 9:51 PM

[quote] most theatre people aren't very fond of his books for Broadway musicals,… Funny Girl…

I just wonder why he's going to do with the script? Wasn't the original script good enough? Does he have to change it to explain why the performers are such a variety of ethnicities?

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by Anonymousreply 135March 3, 2022 9:57 PM

[quote] “You should have been a homosexual in the AIDS crisis and seen what we went through,'” he said. “You don’t want a f—ing shot? You little piece of s–t.”

Well said.

by Anonymousreply 136March 3, 2022 10:09 PM

r135: Eddie Ryan will be a gay drag queen who does impersonations of Eva Tanguay.

by Anonymousreply 137March 3, 2022 10:39 PM

[quote] I saw Kinky Boots in NYC and didn't like it.

Well, you didn't see it with me, R126.

by Anonymousreply 138March 3, 2022 10:42 PM

[quote]Does he have to change it to explain why the performers are such a variety of ethnicities?

That, and why Fanny is SO FAT.

by Anonymousreply 139March 3, 2022 10:49 PM

I LOVE his voice . So distinct and unusual .all his own !

by Anonymousreply 140March 3, 2022 11:20 PM

This is required reading. I expect a one page book report from all of you by Monday morning.

by Anonymousreply 141March 3, 2022 11:26 PM

Paul Bogart was supposed to be the permanent director of the Golden Girls but clashed with Betty White during the first few episodes. Betty went to the producers to complain, and they had him sacked. Not surprising he wouldn't consider Estelle for Torch Song.

[quote]Not that Bancroft's did, but she was in the middle of a career renaissance and her name brought an importance that said TST was award caliber.

Anne did three inferior movie versions of superior Broadway shows in the 80's. She got a surprise oscar nomination for Agnes that should have been Cher's. I would hardly call it some huge career renaissance. None of those movies are even remembered today.

by Anonymousreply 142March 3, 2022 11:37 PM

Doesn't seem like many here saw the original TST on Broadway. I AM old. It was a joy. Epic in every sense of the word except location. A long very emotional evening but you came out completely exhilarated. You wanted to grab everyone and say You must see this!

The movie is pretty much highlights and not very well done. Getty gave a great very funny performance. Her Petrillo really is a joke in comparison. Harvey really fucked her over by not giving her the part. Truly shitty on his part. Broderick is more understandable but he in no way comes close to Paul Joynt. Joynt was as good looking as the male model is supposed to be(Broderick? You've got to be kidding.) and gave a heartbreaking performance. His outcome in the third act was shocking and gut-wrenching. In the movie it's kind of oh how sad. I saw him once in a locker room(he was dressed) and I went up to him and told him how much I wished he had had the role in the movie. Maybe that wasn't a smart thing to do. He gave me a weak smile. But he was unforgettable in the production. There was a touch of beauty and grace about him in the part something that Broderick was incapable of. Yes I was and am smitten.

Fierstein's work since then has been so bad it's like how did this guy once have so much talent? He used it up in just one play. I guess he played the part in life of pet gay really well.

by Anonymousreply 143March 3, 2022 11:42 PM

TORCH SONG truly was a perfect case of a writer "writing what you know" and Harvey has never really been able to top that. Or even come close IMO (I saw the original production on Broadway, too).

Although I will say that he improved the screenplay of NEWSIES 100% with his Broadway libretto.

by Anonymousreply 144March 3, 2022 11:47 PM

In the era that Funny Girl takes place, Beanie Feldstein would've been considered monstrously obese. Like a circus fat lady.

by Anonymousreply 145March 3, 2022 11:53 PM

[quote] Paul Bogart was supposed to be the permanent director of the Golden Girls but clashed with Betty White during the first few episodes.

But Betty was so nice. How could anyone clash with her?

by Anonymousreply 146March 3, 2022 11:57 PM

The first thing people would have said to themselves when they saw her would have been wow she's fat. Even though Brice was not a beauty there would have been no way in hell Ziegfeld would have had her as a headliner walking around encased in as once would have been said(not by me of course) lard.

by Anonymousreply 147March 4, 2022 12:00 AM

That jacket photo is unfortunate.

I don’t remember much about the awful film Independence Day, but Fierstein’s character was irritating, like a fey minstrel.

by Anonymousreply 148March 4, 2022 12:05 AM

Cyndi is the first woman to win a Tony solo for Best Score of Kinky Boots.

by Anonymousreply 149March 4, 2022 12:07 AM

Independence Day was a total piece of shit. One of the worst scripts ever.

by Anonymousreply 150March 4, 2022 12:11 AM

[quote] Betty went to the producers to complain, and they had him sacked. Not surprising he wouldn't consider Estelle for Torch Song.

Not considering Estelle was somehow getting even with Betty White?

by Anonymousreply 151March 4, 2022 12:34 AM

"You wanted to grab everyone and say You must see this!"

MARY.

by Anonymousreply 152March 4, 2022 12:41 AM

Cyndi Lauper = Tony Award??

It's insane that Dorothy Fields (not even nominated for her lyrics for SWEET CHARITY and SEESAW) and Carolyn Leigh (nominated twice for her lyrics for LITTLE ME and HOW NOW DOW JONES, not even nominated for WILDCAT) never won Tony Awards. And they both have incredible credits that pre-dated the Tonys.

by Anonymousreply 153March 4, 2022 12:48 AM

I quote him from Bullets Over Broadway frequently: "The monkey glands are working!"

He is a national treasure, and I wished I could have seen him on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 154March 4, 2022 12:51 AM

Wonder if he got Tevye in Fiddler because Nathan Lane turned it down?

by Anonymousreply 155March 4, 2022 1:00 AM

Remember, the Fiddler gig was as a replacement for Alfred Moilna. And Nathan don't replace nobody.

by Anonymousreply 156March 4, 2022 1:05 AM

Sophie Tucker and Kate Smith were two enormously (pun intended) popular plus-sized peers of Fanny Brice.

by Anonymousreply 157March 4, 2022 1:07 AM

His Tevye makes Zero Mostel look subtle.

by Anonymousreply 158March 4, 2022 1:08 AM

R142, she was always ready to step in for someone else, though. Patricia Neal, winner of the first Best Actress Tony Award, could tell you all about this.

by Anonymousreply 159March 4, 2022 1:21 AM

[Quote] Best definition of a tourist hit.

Isn’t that exactly what every producer is praying for nowadays?

How else can you explain Tina, MJ, and Mrs Doubtfire?

by Anonymousreply 160March 4, 2022 1:48 AM

OMG I just googled this person called "Beanie Feldstein"

1. They have no neck.

2. They're related to the most repellant man in LA.

Is this new 'Funny Girl' being financed by their parents?

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by Anonymousreply 161March 4, 2022 1:59 AM

Lets hope they rewrite "If a Girl Isn't Pretty" for the new era.

by Anonymousreply 162March 4, 2022 2:01 AM

Legs Diamond

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by Anonymousreply 163March 4, 2022 3:25 AM

Paul Joynt, an attractive young man, talented actor, and wonderful person who sadly just couldn't overcome personal demons, thus left this world far too soon.

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by Anonymousreply 164March 4, 2022 3:31 AM

" Joynt was as good looking as the male model is supposed to be(Broderick? You've got to be kidding.) "

Broderick was beautiful as a boy.

by Anonymousreply 165March 4, 2022 3:44 AM

I thought his Tevye was fine, r158.

by Anonymousreply 166March 4, 2022 3:44 AM

[quote] Cyndi is the first woman to win a Tony solo for Best Score of Kinky Boots.

Ask Stephen Oremus how "solo" Cyndi's work on Kinky Boots was.

by Anonymousreply 167March 4, 2022 3:46 AM

It's odd that a powerful theater icon like Harvey, a Jewish man, is approving of the two Jewish leading male characters in "Funny Girl", Nicky Arnstein and Florenz Ziegfeld, being played by two non-Jewish men? Nothing reads more Jewish than a Persian (Ramin Karimloo.) or black actor (Peter Francis James) playing the roles!

It's more of that mandatory woke(ass) casting nonsense Broadway finds so necessary.

by Anonymousreply 168March 4, 2022 4:11 AM

[quote] woke(ass) casting nonsense Broadway finds so necessary.

But it seems it's produced by a English/Russian/Jewish person called Sonia Friedman.

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by Anonymousreply 169March 4, 2022 4:49 AM

I'm STILL waiting for an all little person cast of Funny Girl. Can't Tom Cruise be involved?

by Anonymousreply 170March 4, 2022 5:17 AM

I tell ya, I think hish brother Michael Fierstein is just shenshational! One of my dearest friends...

by Anonymousreply 171March 4, 2022 5:37 AM

The new Funny Girl = Friedman, Fierstein, Feldstein, Arnstein & Ziegfeld.

by Anonymousreply 172March 4, 2022 7:05 AM

Harvey's book has been around since the Sheridan Smith UK production.

by Anonymousreply 173March 4, 2022 7:08 AM

he's doing a book tour.

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by Anonymousreply 174March 4, 2022 8:36 AM

You can't go wrong with that law firm, r172.

by Anonymousreply 175March 4, 2022 1:25 PM

Not to mention shiksa Jane Lynch as Momma Brice.

And I know Kay Medford was not Jewish. But, most importantly, she READ Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 176March 4, 2022 1:44 PM

^ Jane Lynch is so butch that she's more of a shaygetz than a shiksa.

by Anonymousreply 177March 4, 2022 1:47 PM

Some people, r176...

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by Anonymousreply 178March 4, 2022 1:48 PM

[quote] Not to mention shiksa Jane Lynch as Momma Brice.

Yeah, I don’t get the casting of Lynch. Not only does she not read “Jewish” she doesn’t read “mother”. Jane is great with sarcastic and wry, but she doesn’t project warmth or self-sacrifice for a child.

by Anonymousreply 179March 4, 2022 1:53 PM

R168, Ziegfeld was not Jewish, but of German Catholic or Lutheran descent. Lots of people assume that he was a Jew because of his surname.

by Anonymousreply 180March 4, 2022 2:12 PM

Did he have an affair with Matthew Broderick?

by Anonymousreply 181March 4, 2022 2:17 PM

R181, yuck and yuck

by Anonymousreply 182March 4, 2022 4:23 PM

I don't think Harvey's ego and Billy's ego are compatible.

by Anonymousreply 183March 4, 2022 5:29 PM

Paul Joynt was a casting director for LCT for a time. He brought in gorgeous men for roles they weren't even right for. But they were right for Paul.

by Anonymousreply 184March 4, 2022 5:32 PM

[quote] Did he have an affair with Matthew Broderick?

Harvey wasn’t equine enough for Matthew.

by Anonymousreply 185March 4, 2022 5:33 PM

Now, I’ve only heard nice things about Harvey. What’s up with all of this twaddle about him being a cunt?

by Anonymousreply 186March 4, 2022 6:00 PM

When Broderick made the film of TST he was nowhere near being the beautiful young man he was supposed to be. Nice looking but not more than that. In fact I saw him in Brighton Beach and Biloxi Blues and never remember him being model good looking.

A wonderful actor though in those two plays. What happened to his talent?

by Anonymousreply 187March 4, 2022 6:50 PM

Matthew was typical of the child star whose talent all rested on the charms of his brash youth. There was a sexy cockiness as a teenager that he completely lost long before he hit 30, not unlike Mickey Rooney.

by Anonymousreply 188March 4, 2022 7:01 PM

See also Michael J. Fox.

by Anonymousreply 189March 4, 2022 7:09 PM

Harvey Weinstein looks like a Jewish Linda Tripp.

by Anonymousreply 190March 4, 2022 8:01 PM

The funniest part of Harvey's book is the chapter wherein he writes about Matthew's severe homosexual panic after he had to kiss another man. Harvey says Matthew is super-straight.

Who the fuck is she kidding?

by Anonymousreply 191March 4, 2022 8:43 PM

Paul Joynt was Tina's first love interest on One Life to Live. His character's father was the notorious Talbot Huddelson who was the killer of Marco (actually Mario) Dane which led to Karen's breakdown on the stand at Vicky's trial.

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by Anonymousreply 192March 4, 2022 9:19 PM

Matthew Broderick isn't gay. What guys have ever been rumored to have linked up with him? And don't make me laugh and say Nathan Lane.

by Anonymousreply 193March 4, 2022 9:37 PM

[quote] Matthew was typical of the child star whose talent all rested on the charms of his brash youth. There was a sexy cockiness as a teenager that he completely lost long before he hit 30, not unlike Mickey Rooney.

He wasn’t his father’s son in the acting department, that’s for darn sure.

by Anonymousreply 194March 4, 2022 9:44 PM

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by Anonymousreply 195March 4, 2022 9:52 PM

Between Harvey and Nathan and his horse face wife, he's at least an honorary gay. In the case of Seabiscuit Parker, it's mainly because I feel sorry for Matthew having to look at that when he gazes over at the haystack in the corner. I wonder if he screams "glue factory!" at her when he gets annoyed with her.

by Anonymousreply 196March 4, 2022 9:54 PM

[quote]Glad I'm untalented

Oh honey. You FINALLY realize!

by Anonymousreply 197March 4, 2022 9:56 PM

Matthew Broderick isn't gay, but he isn't the brightest bulb. I was at a cast party for a play and MB was doing a play next door. He showed up in his pajamas (!!!) and was sooooo excited by his new cell phone. He was literally like a child a Christmas. Later, I would see MB and his son having pizza. He clearly doted on the boy, but he always seemed like the big brother rather than than the father.

by Anonymousreply 198March 4, 2022 9:56 PM

I think Matthew Broderick is at least bisexual because the women he dated were either fugly or had a strong lez vibe: Jennifer Grey, Sarah Jessica Parker, Helen Hunt, Lili Taylor, Daisy Foote.

by Anonymousreply 199March 4, 2022 10:00 PM

Harvey, if you're on here (and I suspect you are), how did you feel about Billy Porter? He seems insufferable. And for no reason. He doesn't seem to have any talent except for self-publicity.

by Anonymousreply 200March 4, 2022 10:00 PM

[quote] shiksa Jane Lynch as Momma Brice

R176 Im guessing the shiksa was hired because the rest of the cast aren't known.

by Anonymousreply 201March 4, 2022 10:06 PM

[quote] Im guessing the shiksa was hired because the rest of the cast aren't known.

Jane Lynch can only pull in die hard Glee fans and less frugal lesbians.

They should have given the role to Didi Conn.

by Anonymousreply 202March 4, 2022 10:17 PM

What kind of frugality scale do lesbians use, I would like to know more on this topic!

by Anonymousreply 203March 4, 2022 10:42 PM

I was born to play Mrs. Brice.

by Anonymousreply 204March 4, 2022 10:43 PM

[quote] frugality

There are at least 3 Dataloungers who confess to being enthusiastic home cooks; I suspect two of those are Lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 205March 4, 2022 10:45 PM

[quote] What kind of frugality scale do lesbians use, I would like to know more on this topic!

They go on vacation at Michfest.

by Anonymousreply 206March 4, 2022 11:34 PM

That would be a very frugal vacation indeed,. given that Michfest doesn't exist anymore.

by Anonymousreply 207March 4, 2022 11:38 PM

Time machine?

by Anonymousreply 208March 4, 2022 11:39 PM

I hope those who are enjoying Fierstein's memoirs will contribute further anecdotes.

(I'm assuming this is an anecdotal subjective memoir rather than a scholarly, objective memoir with footnotes)

by Anonymousreply 209March 4, 2022 11:43 PM

No footnotes, but a comprehensive index of names that makes it fun to flip around the book.

by Anonymousreply 210March 4, 2022 11:45 PM

Does Harvey say much about Newsies? Good or bad memories?

by Anonymousreply 211March 5, 2022 12:06 AM

He should apologize for "Newsies."

by Anonymousreply 212March 5, 2022 12:07 AM

I want to hear more about Mr Fierstein’s spontaneous on stage hernia-related auto-disembowelment.

by Anonymousreply 213March 5, 2022 12:17 AM

I want to hear more about the facts of staging a show which costs millions; about how much genuine work he does in writing a book; for instance updating Funny Girl for an English alcoholic Sheridan Smith would be different for the overweight, no-necked Beanie Feldstein.

by Anonymousreply 214March 5, 2022 12:28 AM

I had a hernia when I was in my 20s and I still remember having to lift my balls back into my sacs every so often until I had my operation. No big deal, Harvey.

by Anonymousreply 215March 5, 2022 12:34 AM

Different kind of hernia, r215.

by Anonymousreply 216March 5, 2022 12:44 AM

That hideous Beanie Feldstein is so unappealing in every way it's obvious that nepotism and connections got her in the door.

by Anonymousreply 217March 5, 2022 1:01 AM

[quote]Yeah, I don’t get the casting of Lynch

I'm convinced they originally planned to do it with Lea, and then with Lynch there they could market the mini Glee reunion thing. But then when they had to drop Lea they decided not to bother recasting Lynch. Even the standby looks far more like Lea than she does Beanie

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by Anonymousreply 218March 5, 2022 1:03 AM

[quote] I hope those who are enjoying Fierstein's memoirs will contribute further anecdotes.

Jesus Christ, you cheap fags, just buy the goddamned book!

by Anonymousreply 219March 5, 2022 4:38 AM

Mrs. Brice is hardly in the movie. Does she have more on stage?

by Anonymousreply 220March 5, 2022 4:40 AM

[quote] Matthew Broderick isn't gay, but he isn't the brightest bulb.

And yet, what a driver!

by Anonymousreply 221March 5, 2022 4:42 AM

Ok, Wiki says were originally two other numbers with Mrs. Brice cut from the movie - Who Taught Her Everything?" – Mrs. Brice and Eddie Ryan, and "Find Yourself a Man" – Mrs. Strakosh, Mrs. Brice and Eddie Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 222March 5, 2022 4:50 AM

and the revival had her part of ""Henry Street" – Mrs. Meeker, Mrs. Brice, Mrs Strakosh and Henry Street Neighbors.

by Anonymousreply 223March 5, 2022 4:52 AM

Medford and Danny Meehan's duet on the OBR is perfection.

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by Anonymousreply 224March 5, 2022 4:59 AM

IS this a Harvey thread or a Funny Girl thread?

by Anonymousreply 225March 5, 2022 5:07 AM

R225=Harvey

by Anonymousreply 226March 5, 2022 5:12 AM

R225 Well both actually...

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by Anonymousreply 227March 5, 2022 5:23 AM

I am about halfway through the audible version. What I love about HF is his blunt delivery and unapologetic attitude to who he is. As a DL eldergay of 41, I am not as familiar with a lot of the celeb/NYC cultural references in the first half of the book. I think this will definitely appeal to the 50+ audience, I am enjoying it, but it's something that I can multitask while listening to and am glad I bought it. I think it will get juicer as the pop culture references and actors are more familiar in the second half. I'm really here for Estelle Getty.

by Anonymousreply 228March 5, 2022 7:42 AM

what else are you doing while you listen?

by Anonymousreply 229March 5, 2022 10:20 AM

[quote] Mrs. Brice is hardly in the movie. Does she have more on stage?

Yes she does. Remember, Funny Girl was structured to showcase Barbra, but she obviously needed breaks during the show. So it goes Fanny song, Everybody else scene, Fanny song, Everybody else scene. So Mrs. Brice has more presence in the stage version.

I truly wonder if Beanie has the stamina. It’s a heavy duty show for the actress playing Fanny.

by Anonymousreply 230March 5, 2022 11:33 AM

Wait, why isn’t Harvey playing Mrs. Brice, Beanie looks like she could be his actual child verses Jane, who does not?

by Anonymousreply 231March 5, 2022 1:13 PM

The perfect Mrs. Brice for Beanie would have been Jayne Houdyshell (great resemblance!) if she weren't otherwise engaged in The Music Man.

by Anonymousreply 232March 5, 2022 1:26 PM

[quote] The perfect Mrs. Brice for Beanie would have been Jayne Houdyshell

If Jayne isn’t reigned in, she hams it up. Look how she ruins the perfect Broadway Baby. The director should have said, “Jayne, just sing the damn song.” I’m told when Sondheim saw this performance, he went home and closed his basement as penance.

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by Anonymousreply 233March 5, 2022 1:34 PM

Didn’t Jane just play Beanie’s mother in the Humans? I never for a moment bought the idea that she was the daughter of those two actors, which was why I lost interest watching until the end.

by Anonymousreply 234March 5, 2022 1:37 PM

From this concept to that one, r233...

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by Anonymousreply 235March 5, 2022 1:53 PM

Funny Girl was the perfect vehicle for baby Streisand, but it is not a good musical. The book is dismal and aside from a couple of really famous numbers the songs are trash. Good luck to Harvey.

by Anonymousreply 236March 5, 2022 1:55 PM

Both of those Broadway Baby performances are utterly execrable.

by Anonymousreply 237March 5, 2022 1:59 PM

It must be hellish to do if Rachel was all ready to leave a few months in.

by Anonymousreply 238March 5, 2022 2:01 PM

I’m convinced the whole BeanieFunny Girl fuckery is an elaborate trolling operation.

by Anonymousreply 239March 5, 2022 2:22 PM

Ethel Shutta got away with a lot of frenetic movement because she could play daft old lady really well.

Linda Lavin sounds like she’s in a minstrel show.

Sorry Harvey for hijacking your thread.

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by Anonymousreply 240March 5, 2022 3:27 PM

I'm assuming they'll cast Harvey as Hattie in the next revival, r240, so it's still on topic.

by Anonymousreply 241March 5, 2022 3:43 PM

What surprises me was the breadth of his stage work. Most people assume His career started with Torch Song trilogy.

Btw, he does say the actor who played David in the revival was much too old. Thank RJ and his casting talent for that.

by Anonymousreply 242March 5, 2022 5:42 PM

I'm sick to death of Gypsy. I'll listen to the great score of Funny Girl any day. Who knew so many terrific songs did not make it to the film?

by Anonymousreply 243March 5, 2022 5:52 PM

r127: Wow, Ted Casablanca/Bruce Bibby has really lost his looks.

It happens to all of us, I guess. But he looks fat and his features look oversized.

by Anonymousreply 244March 5, 2022 6:22 PM

[quote]It's odd that a powerful theater icon like Harvey, a Jewish man, is approving of the two Jewish leading male characters in "Funny Girl",

Why? He's not religious, he identifies as Spiritual. In fact when he was doing "Fiddler On The Roof" Rosie O'Donnell was Golde. What was weird in the book was, in all his talk of "Fiddler", Broadway and tour he never mentions once who played his wife, not Tony winner Randy Graff, Rosie or Andrea martin. Yet he mentions Rosie later in "Hairspray Live". And since every other word in the book is gay, you would think he would mention that he and Rosie made Broadway history by being the first openly gay actors to portray a straight couple in a major musical, and not just a couple, Tevye and Golde.

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by Anonymousreply 245March 5, 2022 6:30 PM

[quote] Btw, he does say the actor who played David in the revival was much too old. Thank RJ and his casting talent for that.

Umm, Broderick was maybe a year younger than Jack DiFalco was when he played David. Harvey should have complained about the rest of the cast, all of whom were awful.

by Anonymousreply 246March 5, 2022 6:52 PM

That TST revival was seriously misguided but then it was directed by the no-talent fraud Moises Whathisname, so no surprise there. It really made the play seem totally un-revivable, it was that bad. Does Harvey discuss it in his book?

by Anonymousreply 247March 5, 2022 7:02 PM

Who is RJ?

by Anonymousreply 248March 5, 2022 7:02 PM

RJ IS RITCHIE JACKSON!!!!

by Anonymousreply 249March 5, 2022 8:01 PM

Does Harvey have “an” OnlyFans?

by Anonymousreply 250March 5, 2022 8:23 PM

I didn't know he did a tour, r245. Did he do it with Graff on Broadway? My memory is that Andrea came in when he did.

by Anonymousreply 251March 5, 2022 8:37 PM

I am outraged I was not cast. Beanie is far too unglamorous and fat to be Fanny.

by Anonymousreply 252March 5, 2022 8:57 PM

Not so glamorous Fanny.

(And I need subtitles to understand through the accent)

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by Anonymousreply 253March 5, 2022 9:01 PM

Mrs. Cohen at the beach...

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by Anonymousreply 254March 5, 2022 9:04 PM

The real Fanny Brick thickened up in middle age, but when she was young she had the curvy figure that was fashionable at the time. Babs was good casting, like the real Fanny she had a classically Jewish face and a good figure, even if she was blonde.

As for Feldstein, well, if she's good in the role she's good in the role, we are probably the only human beings on Earth who know or care what the original Fanny Brice looked like.

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by Anonymousreply 255March 5, 2022 9:06 PM

You people are terrible. Beanie will be great. Here's a new shot of her rehearsing. She makes funny faces, includes 12 parts and pieces, and is appropriate for kids 2 and up.

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by Anonymousreply 256March 5, 2022 9:17 PM

[quote] Funny Girl was the perfect vehicle for baby Streisand, but it is not a good musical. The book is dismal…

The plot about Brice's bad marriage to a chronic thief Julius Arndstein doesn't have any ending. She lived another 24 years and then dies.

by Anonymousreply 257March 5, 2022 9:23 PM

To R256, that is sooooo horrible, I love it!!

by Anonymousreply 258March 5, 2022 9:34 PM

[quote]we are probably the only human beings on Earth who know or care what the original Fanny Brice looked like.

I understand she resembled Barbara Cook, r255. The problem still comes down to Barbra's imprint on the role. The songs and book are written to her strengths. I haven't heard Beanie sing anything that would signal she can knock the FG songs out of the park and she doesn't seem to have sensual, self-deprecating clown in her wheel house.

by Anonymousreply 259March 5, 2022 9:43 PM

R259 There's plenty of things in Beanie's wheel house but no self-deprecating clown.

by Anonymousreply 260March 5, 2022 9:47 PM

[quote]I didn't know he did a tour, [R245]. Did he do it with Graff on Broadway? My memory is that Andrea came in when he did

Who knows he didn't talk about it. How do you work with Andrea Martin and not even mention her name? He filled in some tour dates and his stand by was Theodore Bikel who the creators never liked and barred him from ever playing it on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 261March 5, 2022 10:07 PM

Harvey says Bikel hated him for years, until they sat down and worked it out.

by Anonymousreply 262March 5, 2022 10:53 PM

Harvey thinks everyone hates him. Harvey thinks everyone thinks about him.

by Anonymousreply 263March 5, 2022 11:19 PM

Harvey’s neuroticism is sometimes exhausting, sometimes endearing.

by Anonymousreply 264March 6, 2022 1:18 AM

I'm watching a Route 66 right now with Mr. Bikel and Miss Lois Smith.

by Anonymousreply 265March 6, 2022 1:32 AM

[quote]I don't get the DL dislike of him.

How much time do you have R128?

by Anonymousreply 266March 6, 2022 1:50 AM

'we are probably the only human beings on Earth who know or care what the original Fanny Brice looked like.'

We are also the only human beings on earth who care about a revival of Funny Girl. Unless the truckers in Canada and the Ukrainians are also thinking about it.

by Anonymousreply 267March 6, 2022 3:01 AM

One of you mentioned Paul Joynt, who played Alan in the original production of Torch Song Trilogy. Here's what Harvey has to say about him in the book:

"Who would have thought finding an Alan would be the challenge? He had to be gay and gorgeous. How hard is that to find in NYC? But we also needed someone who would bring an inner turmoil to the stage. Alan is a frightened child who wants to be loved but always ends up lusted instead. A parade of pretty boys pranced before us, and I thought not one of them right. Lawrence and John disagreed. There was one young man, Paul Joynt, who swept both of my producers off their feet. Gorgeous? Absolutely. Talented? Enough. I didn’t see the troubled soul, but they certainly did. I caved, we hired him; and Paul became the most cherished member of our company. Sadly, our producers turned out to be dead-on about his being a troubled soul. Paul suffered from dissociative identity disorder, aka split personality. There were early signs of cutting, memory loss, and depression during our run. In 2001, after a failed job interview, his most abusive personality took charge, climbed out onto a fire escape, and hung him by his necktie."

by Anonymousreply 268March 6, 2022 6:10 AM

R268

[quote] There were early signs of cutting … and depression during our run. In 2001…

Oh dear, if he were alive now I bet he'd be turning into one of the Discretionary Demisexual Transvestites.

by Anonymousreply 269March 6, 2022 6:15 AM

Seth Rudetsky played Arnold in the 25th anniversary tour of "TST."

Hearing Seth deliver the "I just wanna be looooooved..." monologue must be considered an acceptable excuse for manslaughter.

by Anonymousreply 270March 6, 2022 6:23 AM

Did anyone see Harvey do Torch Song Trilogy in Pittsburgh in 1985 at the Syria Mosque? Who played the mother in the touring company?

by Anonymousreply 271March 6, 2022 8:11 AM

Golda Meir

by Anonymousreply 272March 6, 2022 8:31 AM

Golda back from the grave since she died in 1978.

by Anonymousreply 273March 6, 2022 9:05 AM

I recall seeing Matthew Broderick on stage when he was young and being dazzled at his talent and promise.

Since The Producers, he’s settled into the “I’m a lovable schlub” role for everything he does. His speaking pattern is now always the same for every role.

by Anonymousreply 274March 6, 2022 12:58 PM

Sounds like Trump.

by Anonymousreply 275March 6, 2022 1:31 PM

This was the first thing scene I remember in.

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by Anonymousreply 276March 6, 2022 1:37 PM

Did you know there are actual SUMMARIES of this book, for those of you with ADD or are too lazy to read an acutal book? Amazing!

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by Anonymousreply 277March 6, 2022 4:42 PM

[quote]Since The Producers, he’s settled into the “I’m a lovable schlub” role for everything he does. His speaking pattern is now always the same for every role.

The last thing I saw him in was "It's Only a Play" by Terrence McNally on Broadway in 2014. He was painfully bad saying all of his lines in that blank, sing-song manner he has affected.

They production itself was lousy and wildly overstayed its welcome which caused an audience member not far from me to audibly groan, "I'm hating this!" Unfortunately, he groaned during what should have been at least an anemic laugh, but there was none, instead there was a dead silent moment allowing most of the mezzanine AND the actors onstage to hear his timely comment!

A bunch of people then actually did laugh as any were thinking the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 278March 7, 2022 2:14 AM

Did Matthew ever find his character when he and Nathan Lane were doing The Odd Couple? They got all the way up to previews and he still didn’t seem to know how to play Felix.

by Anonymousreply 279March 7, 2022 2:24 AM

[quote]Laurents, FYI, a talented but awful man.

Just finished his memoir and it was exhausting. It was the most negative, self-serving, unobservant memoir I've ever read. I'm going to take a pass on Fierstein's book for a while, especially after reading his borderline Q loon statement about HIV drugs: [italic] “They’ve turned us into drug addicts,” he writes of antiviral medication manufacturers. [/italic]

by Anonymousreply 280March 7, 2022 6:51 AM

And darling, why do we think Priscilla Presley wears gloves? Liver spots!

by Anonymousreply 281March 7, 2022 9:10 AM

Charles McNulty in the Los Angeles Times writes that Harvey "delivers plenty of dish, some of which leaves a bitter aftertaste."

by Anonymousreply 282March 7, 2022 9:30 AM

He got a quote from Patti LuPone for his Amazon page - “I am in awe of Harvey’s theatrical history. From being among the vanguard of New York’s Experimental Theatre, through Warhol, to Broadway musicals. Who can touch that? His memoir is extraordinary, and he is in a class by himself.”

by Anonymousreply 283March 7, 2022 9:35 AM

R281

Posted in wrong thread.

Disregard and carry on.

by Anonymousreply 284March 7, 2022 11:46 AM

Yes, Harvey, as we've observed, has very good skin.

by Anonymousreply 285March 7, 2022 8:14 PM

But no foreskin.

by Anonymousreply 286March 7, 2022 8:29 PM

I'm almost sure Harvey appreciates you of even thinking of that aspect of him.

by Anonymousreply 287March 7, 2022 8:44 PM

I’m glad it’s in book form. Please do not let him narrate the audiobook!

by Anonymousreply 288March 7, 2022 9:08 PM

Where have you been, r288?

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by Anonymousreply 289March 7, 2022 9:30 PM

Hiding my ears!

by Anonymousreply 290March 7, 2022 9:31 PM

I've never seen so much discussion of Harvey, anywhere! Because he's one of us, made good!

Gooble, gobble, we accept her, we accept her, one of us, one of us! Gooble, gobble, we accept her, we accept her, one of us, one of us! Gooble, gobble, we accept her, we accept her, one of us, one of us! Gooble, gobble, we accept her, we accept her, one of us, one of us! Gooble, gobble, we accept her, we accept her, one of us, one of us...

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by Anonymousreply 291March 7, 2022 9:50 PM

Harvey is a lightly-talented hard worker, a man who has made a massive theatrical career basically writing the same thing over and over again, namely that no gay man can ever be authentic unless he liberates himself and apparently everyone around him by being a drag queen!

It is an exhausting, dull, wholly inadequate take on the subject, but boy he just keeps reselling it!

Due to his damaged-sounding voice and persona he's carved a small niche as a performer and is a perfectly acceptable one. He is widely known to be a very unpleasant person.

by Anonymousreply 292March 8, 2022 1:53 AM

Did anyone see his play Safe Sex? It had a very short run.

by Anonymousreply 293March 8, 2022 1:56 AM

The first play of the evening, 'Manny and Jake,' is a debate between an AIDS carrier and his would-be lover over the new rules of relationships. Precautionary lists of do's and don'ts are the focus of Mr. Fierstein's second one-act play - which, like the show, is titled 'Safe Sex.' In this comic dialogue between two male lovers, one character uses the safe-sex rules as an excuse to avoid intimacy. The third play of the show, 'On Tidy Endings,' is a confrontation between the ex-wife and male lover of a man who has died of AIDS.

by Anonymousreply 294March 8, 2022 2:16 AM

I think that Isaac Mizrahi should play Harvey Fierstein.

by Anonymousreply 295March 8, 2022 2:17 AM

Anything in the memoir why he’s the only Tony winner not having a part in the Gilded Age?

by Anonymousreply 296March 8, 2022 2:26 AM

Frank Rich on Safe Sex:

HARVEY FIERSTEIN, playwright and actor, wants an audience to adore him. In 'Torch Song Trilogy,' his breakthrough plays about a professional drag queen, and now in 'Safe Sex,' a lumpy trilogy of one-act plays about the AIDS crisis, Mr. Fierstein pushes love - love for himself and, of course, love for all humanity. As a writer, he dreams of a world where everyone gets along: homosexuals and heterosexuals, women and men, adults and children. As a performer, he dreams of holding forth at center stage, getting every laugh with his bullfrog's voice, milking every tear with his wounded, over-the-hill torch singer's gaze.

By writing his own scripts, Mr. Fierstein can guarantee that at least the second of these dreams comes true. In 'Safe Sex,' he appears in all but the opening segment, dominating the stage with an alacrity recalling the similarly voluminous and boisterous Zero Mostel. Like Mostel, he gets results. Dressed in a billowing nightshirt, Mr. Fierstein ignites roars of laughter by proclaiming his volatile erotic disposition - 'I've got two faucets, hot and cold!' - with a self-mocking bravado worthy of Mae West. He induces tears later on, when, as the bereaved lover of an AIDS casualty, he shares a familial hug with the former wife and son that the dead man also left behind. Structured like 'Torch Song Trilogy' - each successive play extends its protagonist's family - 'Safe Sex' again hopes to leave us feeling that any character played by the author is the most humorous and generous friend, lover, mother, father or child that any sensitive person could ever hope to find.

If you found Mr. Fierstein adorable last time around, chances are you'll like him here, too. But one must still ask if this gifted artist's desire for approval - each of this bill's last two plays culminates in a sentimental embrace - really does serve him, the audience and his devastating subject. 'Safe Sex,' which began as a modest workshop production at La Mama this winter, has arrived at Broadway's Lyceum Theater as a thronelike showcase for its star, burdened with a mostly amateurish supporting cast to keep histrionic competition at bay and a soppy, overblown staging to match the more treacly and self-indulgent excesses of the text. While it would be absurd to suggest that a dramatic treatment of AIDS need be as grim as a clinic, the immediacy of 'Safe Sex' is often diffused by Mr. Fierstein's hugging and mugging, both as actor and playwright.

by Anonymousreply 297March 8, 2022 2:27 AM

continued -

The evening is at its most forceful when its creator's anger burns through his other personas of saint and class clown. The bill's second (and titular) play, a literally seesawing comic squabble between two on-and-off-again lovers, suddenly drops its compulsive joke-making for a monologue describing what the homosexual community has lost and gained from the new heterosexual awareness (and fear) of AIDS. 'At last we have safe sex - safe for them,' declares Mr. Fierstein at the end of an extraordinary speech describing two decades of American sociosexual history. As he does so, he looks into the audience, his voice and face quivering with rage, to challenge the conscience of any heterosexual who has latently decided to 'court' homosexuals for selfish reasons alone.

In the closing play, 'On Tidy Endings,' Mr. Fierstein is equally powerful when defending his 'intangible place' in the history of the partner he had nursed until death. 'He died in my arms, not yours!' he screams at his lover's patronizing 'first' wife, who, though played with decency by Anne De Salvo, just can't stop herself from appropriating grief that is not primarily her own. Mr. Fierstein forgives her a little later in another beautifully written speech cataloguing his forlorn momentos from the international circuit of clinics and quacks for desperate victims of terminal disease.

The plays' funnier moments also seem to arrive when Mr. Fierstein forsakes his desire to please and lets off steam. The 'do's and don't's' of 'safe sex,' though serious business, spawn a comic, nostalgic riff about the days when a 'broken heart' and 'crabs' were among the harsher penalties for lovemaking. Yet for every joke that's to the point there are a half-dozen extraneous one-liners. As the middle play in 'Torch Song' sometimes recalled Neil Simon's 'Chapter Two,' so the second play this time offers a prefabricated insult duel between a sloppy jock and a prissy homemaker out of 'The Odd Couple.' Even the mournful final play takes time out for irrelevant, formulaic jokes about Mr. Fierstein's excess weight ('Even my stretch socks have stretch marks!') and urban gentrification.

Perhaps a tougher director than Eric Concklin could have convinced the author to strip away the evening's theatrical flab. The opening skit - in which Mr. Fierstein elects not to appear, presumably not without reason - is an entirely arch attempt to dramatize the plight of an AIDS-virus carrier in precious poetic incantations that might have been written by a high school personal-hygiene instructor. In the better efforts that follow, Mr. Concklin accentuates the writing's failings with a production that sometimes seems a parody of the mishaps that can befall a play that spares no tasteless expense in 'going Broadway.'

Not the least of the evening's misguided accouterments is a cloud-streaked set, designed by John Falabella and bathed in scarlet sunsets by Craig Miller, that seems to place all three plays in the curdled Technicolor heaven of a second-rung M-G-M musical. In league with Ada Janik's pushily elegiac incidental music, the physical production sanitizes and perfumes the entire evening - as if the stage had been sprayed with a tank of air freshener. At his most courageous, Mr. Fierstein doesn't need these or any of the evening's other artificial sweeteners. 'Safe Sex' finds its life when it lashes out with a ferocity to match the plague.

by Anonymousreply 298March 8, 2022 2:29 AM

R29 That review is as coldly analytical as those by Bosley Crowther.

by Anonymousreply 299March 8, 2022 2:31 AM

Frank Rich's review is incisive as hell. He's got all that's right and wrong with Harvey's fame and familiarity. It's also a great piece of writing. Critics are meant to give opinion. Rich can be cruel but he is always familiar with the subject and highly attuned to the production. His review is far more interesting than the play. Memoirs of AIDS on Stage.....Wishful Drinking.

by Anonymousreply 300March 8, 2022 2:38 AM

Who is Bosley Crowther, and can he sit by me?

by Anonymousreply 301March 8, 2022 2:39 AM

Bosley may have been a heterosexual but he was as sharp as a knife.

by Anonymousreply 302March 8, 2022 2:42 AM

I saw Safe Sex and it was very disappointing. But I'm spacing on the name of the hot soap actor (who eventually came out as gay) who played opposite him in the second play with the nightshirts and the seesaw. Anyone remember?

by Anonymousreply 303March 8, 2022 2:47 AM

Anne de Salvo????

Pfffffffft.

by Anonymousreply 304March 8, 2022 2:51 AM

John Wesley Shipp is the soap actor, a big heavy-assed (for tv) pretty boy who is the overly-tanned remains of a gorgeous guy.

by Anonymousreply 305March 8, 2022 3:46 AM

Yes! John Wesley Shipp. Thanks, r305.

by Anonymousreply 306March 8, 2022 3:49 AM

Shipp now sports the worst dye job of anyone in the business.

by Anonymousreply 307March 8, 2022 4:40 AM

I saw Estelle in the LA production at the Huntington Hartford. Jon Cryer was the kid.

by Anonymousreply 308March 8, 2022 4:44 AM

Your review R308 was riveting.

by Anonymousreply 309March 8, 2022 8:54 AM

Presented by the Shubert Organization and MTM Entertainment Ltd. At the Lyceum Theater, 149 West 45th Street. MANNY AND JAKE Manny ...John Mulkeen Jake...John Wesley Shipp SAFE SEX Mead...John Wesley Shipp Ghee...Harvey Fierstein and ON TIDY ENDINGS Marion...Anne De Salvo Jimmy...Ricky Addison Reed June...Billie McBride Arthur...Harvey Fierstein

by Anonymousreply 310March 8, 2022 10:38 AM

After 21 previews it ran 9 performances.

by Anonymousreply 311March 8, 2022 10:40 AM

[quote] Presented by the Shubert Organization and MTM Entertainment Ltd.

Mary Tyler Moore invested in a gay show called Safe Sex?

by Anonymousreply 312March 8, 2022 10:47 AM

“Bullfrog face”, “hugging and mugging” for the audience. I’d pay to see Fierstein reading that review. Frank Rich went at him, hammer and tongs (“milking every tear with a torch singer’s gaze”).

Pretty good, actually. “Bitch don’t play….” It’s a wonder Fierstein didn’t climb onto the (very sturdy) fire escape with a necktie, too. That review was rough, man.

by Anonymousreply 313March 8, 2022 11:05 AM

R278, I agree, "Its Only a Play" was awful. The only redeeming aspect was gayling Micah Stock, who is just starting to have a tv/film career.

by Anonymousreply 314March 8, 2022 11:59 AM

Micah went full-frontal in some tv movie. Very cute. He's like 6 foot 3, too.

by Anonymousreply 315March 8, 2022 2:40 PM

Is Micah still with that adorable guy from Abbott Elementary, Chris Perfetti?

by Anonymousreply 316March 8, 2022 3:09 PM

Here they are being cute together

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by Anonymousreply 317March 8, 2022 3:37 PM

I liked Micah in that fat girl running movie.

by Anonymousreply 318March 8, 2022 3:45 PM

I don't get the appeal of Micah. He's got weird little chiclet teeth and crazy eyes.

by Anonymousreply 319March 8, 2022 4:32 PM

I love Harvey but I realize he is not everyone’s cup of tea. Harvey has a huge heart the size of Jupiter. Although he doesn’t exactly wear it on his sleeve.

by Anonymousreply 320March 8, 2022 5:26 PM

If Harvey has a huge heart it's only because it's enlarged with fat. He's an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 321March 8, 2022 5:28 PM

Harvey is so much of his time that I don’t think someone like him could come along today. He is living gay male history.

Back in Harvey’s day, NYC was a literal Mecca for gays. And Harvey was at the center of it all.

by Anonymousreply 322March 8, 2022 5:47 PM

Are he and issac M. friends?

by Anonymousreply 323March 8, 2022 5:48 PM

After that review if Harvey ran into Frank Rich he might have said I would throw my glass of champagne in your face but I hate to waste good liquor.

by Anonymousreply 324March 8, 2022 5:54 PM

Frank Rich was being kind. That play was terrible.

by Anonymousreply 325March 8, 2022 6:08 PM

If anybody has courted heterosexuals it is Harvey. Oh the irony. He supposedly has a heart the size of Brazil. As he keeps telling us. So why does he have such a terrible reputation? Is he another Ellen?

By the way I guess Patti LuPone has never heard of a man named Joseph Papp.

by Anonymousreply 326March 8, 2022 6:12 PM

[quote] And Harvey was at the center of it all.

No, you've got it backwards. Harvey was just outside the center of it all, peering in at all the great looking, sexy gay guys.

by Anonymousreply 327March 8, 2022 11:22 PM

Does he lose points for being friends with Andy Cohen? "“Harvey’s book is a perfect reflection of him; full of heart, chutzpah, great stories, and tons of belly laughs. And wigs.” --Andy Cohen.

by Anonymousreply 328March 9, 2022 5:31 AM

Is being filled with chutzpah what makes Harvey so overweight and large?

by Anonymousreply 329March 9, 2022 6:22 AM

Harvey is now a New York Times best seller. Sorry haters!

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by Anonymousreply 330March 10, 2022 5:17 PM

^^That is some ugly ass nail polish he’s wearing.

by Anonymousreply 331March 10, 2022 5:18 PM

Why the fuck is he wearing nail polish? Harvey, you're 80 years old, you're not some lithe Gen Z enby.

by Anonymousreply 332March 10, 2022 6:46 PM

R332 Lithe and Harvey have never been associated with each other to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 333March 10, 2022 8:32 PM

Some posters above took some potshots at Mark O'Donnell, one of the book writers of Hairspray. One mentioned how Mark told Harvey that his last line was cut from the libretto and there was nothing left of his at all. However, in Harvey's book, that was a story about Thomas Meehan. I did know Mark years ago, and not only was he extraordinarily talented, but one of the nicest guys around. Died very young, unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 334March 10, 2022 8:40 PM

Only on DL could 58 be considered "very young"

by Anonymousreply 335March 10, 2022 8:42 PM

I read a novel by Mark O'Donnell written the decade before Hairspray. It was a heinous piece of shit. He was a terrible writer.

by Anonymousreply 336March 10, 2022 8:49 PM

Harvey is 67 not 80.

by Anonymousreply 337March 10, 2022 9:00 PM

Oh my, is Harvey now identifying as a they/them? How exhausting

by Anonymousreply 338March 10, 2022 9:03 PM

Interview for Time magazine tidbit. Re The Golden Girls. " There was some discussion of me playing Bea Arthur’s son, but I think Bea thought I was way too old. I had my own relationship with Bea, and we were friends. But the part was never offered to me."

by Anonymousreply 339March 10, 2022 9:05 PM

If Harvey had been offered the role of Michael on Golden Girls, Who would have played Lorraine? RuPaul or Billy Porter, or back then possibly Sylvester?

by Anonymousreply 340March 10, 2022 9:10 PM

Bea Arthur was 32 years older than Harvey.

by Anonymousreply 341March 10, 2022 9:13 PM

Harvey always read older than he was. He was in his 20s when he did TST onstage but he looked like he was pushing 40.

by Anonymousreply 342March 10, 2022 9:28 PM

Had to take a break from the book. Love him, but he IS exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 343March 10, 2022 10:09 PM

Hi Roxane Gay/r343! Your chair needs a break too.

by Anonymousreply 344March 11, 2022 12:21 AM

Just today I'm getting Elaine Stritch-esque vibes from that pic of him. It's making me nervous.

by Anonymousreply 345March 11, 2022 12:33 AM

correction Harvey is actually 69. HARVEY FIERSTEIN: What’s really funny is that so many sources, if you look online, have my birthday as 1954, even though it’s actually 1952. The reason is that when I turned 22, my friend Eric Conklin, who directed the original production of “Torch Song,” said “You should tell everybody you’re turning 21.” I said, “Why?” He said, “Because if you lie when you’re older, nobody believes it. But if you start at 21, who the fuck’s going to care!” That year, I moved my birthday to ‘53. The next year, we decided we’d do it again. But I never took it seriously..

by Anonymousreply 346March 11, 2022 1:32 AM

So, I wrote the book, and there’s a fact checker, of course. Every time I mentioned my age he sent back a note, “Wikipedia says you were born in ‘54. This one says you were born in ’54,” I had to keep saying, “Why would I lie and make myself older? I’d only make myself younger!” It’s another one of those examples of why you should never lie. I am indeed as old as the mountains.

by Anonymousreply 347March 11, 2022 1:33 AM

Lots of ancient mountains looked better than Fierstein did at 30 years old.

by Anonymousreply 348March 11, 2022 1:36 AM

If Harvey had played Coco would the character have survived episode #1?

by Anonymousreply 349March 11, 2022 1:58 AM

Are he and Mario Cantonese friends?

by Anonymousreply 350March 11, 2022 2:50 AM

I don't think Harvey is close with any show biz A gays like Mario Cantone, Andy Cohen, Isaac Mizrahi, et. al.

Too much competition for attention.

by Anonymousreply 351March 11, 2022 2:53 AM

R351, I don't think that bunch is A-list. More like B-list.

by Anonymousreply 352March 11, 2022 2:56 AM

Steve & Mark O'Donnell on Letterman, 1982, 1983

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by Anonymousreply 353March 11, 2022 4:32 AM

Mark O'Donnell, truly a great person who left this world far too soon.

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by Anonymousreply 354March 11, 2022 4:35 AM

never could stand mr fierstein cause his voice sounds like a chain smoking psycho. plus i alwys heard storys bout his obscene grouchyness when buyin collectibles......rather creepy.

by Anonymousreply 355March 11, 2022 5:03 AM

What kind of person lets himself get so unhealthy and obese?? Imagine being a rentboy and getting called to crawl in bed with THAT.

by Anonymousreply 356March 11, 2022 5:06 AM

The world is not Pretty Woman where the johns are all Richard Gere.

by Anonymousreply 357March 11, 2022 11:14 AM

well honey ima ho and i aint never seen a john that fat or crusty voiced..

by Anonymousreply 358March 11, 2022 11:25 AM

[quote]Some posters above took some potshots at Mark O'Donnell, one of the book writers of Hairspray. One mentioned how Mark told Harvey that his last line was cut from the libretto and there was nothing left of his at all. However, in Harvey's book, that was a story about Thomas Meehan. I did know Mark years ago, and not only was he extraordinarily talented, but one of the nicest guys around. Died very young, unfortunately.

I listened to the audio book and I remember it as Mark saying it, and Harvey adding..."it didn't stop him from accepting The Tony."

by Anonymousreply 359March 11, 2022 12:19 PM

[quote]Harvey is 67 not 80.

Same thing.

by Anonymousreply 360March 11, 2022 12:20 PM

HE LOOKS 90

by Anonymousreply 361March 11, 2022 1:26 PM

He sounds embalmed.

by Anonymousreply 362March 11, 2022 1:26 PM

Harvey's Madonna story. He hoped she would play a drag queen in an upcoming project, saying "Everyone’s already seen your pussy. It’s time to show them your dick.” The project did not move ahead.

by Anonymousreply 363March 11, 2022 11:01 PM

What did Harvey have to do with The Birdcage? He says there is a story but he cannot tell. Mike Nichols and Robin Williams are dead so it can't be about them. Maybe it's about Elaine May and some uncredited screenplay work.

by Anonymousreply 364March 11, 2022 11:08 PM

[quote] He is widely known to be a very unpleasant person.

Did he ever live on Manhattan’s Upper West Side? If you go into Zabar’s anytime of the day or night, you will meet at least ten just like him (both women and men).

Zabars is full of the most unpleasant, entitled people. They have several food counters where you have to take a number and wait your turn. There is always a minimum of two “Harvey” types that don’t feel they should have to take a number. Then when they are forced to, it comes their time and they take forever. They ask twenty questions and want to smell the gefilite fish and then complain and then threaten to buy it somewhere else. They are the most miserable people I’ve ever encountered and they seem to get pleasure out of making everyone else miserable.

Just the other day, a woman asked the price of something, then said, “Fairway has it cheaper.” Then stood there waiting thinking the counter person was going to drop the price. Then complained about the price AGAIN!

These people are exhausting. And since many of them are old, I think it’s their entertainment for the day. Let’s go down to Zabars and see if we can get a rise out of the counter person.

by Anonymousreply 365March 12, 2022 12:20 AM

R365 reminds me of the Costanzas on SEINFELD. Remember George’s line: “The sea was angry that day, my friends - like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.”

by Anonymousreply 366March 12, 2022 12:54 AM

[quote]Did he ever live on Manhattan’s Upper West Side? If you go into Zabar’s anytime of the day or night, you will meet at least ten just like him (both women and men).

[quote]Zabars is full of the most unpleasant, entitled people.

Yeah we all know what you're really saying. 🤣

by Anonymousreply 367March 12, 2022 1:07 AM

He's always seemed like one big stereotype....a fat, loudmouth drag queen from the boroughs.

by Anonymousreply 368March 12, 2022 1:36 PM

I guess you know the Ethel Merman story he tells, right?

by Anonymousreply 369March 12, 2022 5:21 PM

He can be seen in that video clip of FUNNY GIRL rehearsals that is now making the rounds. He is MASSIVELY fat = and I mean Andre Leon Talley massive! Sad -

by Anonymousreply 370March 12, 2022 5:38 PM

But dressed all in black to disguise it.

(snicker)

by Anonymousreply 371March 12, 2022 5:40 PM

What's the Ethel Merman story?

by Anonymousreply 372March 12, 2022 5:41 PM

Here's the Funny Girl clip.

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by Anonymousreply 373March 12, 2022 5:42 PM

r32, He met Merman at the Anvil back in the 70's.

by Anonymousreply 374March 12, 2022 5:43 PM

No, it's about the time he and Ethel played Two For The Seesaw in Vegas. Hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 375March 12, 2022 5:46 PM

One night when “Torch Song Trilogy” Harvey went to his dressing room after a performance. There he found theater legend Ethel Merman. “Oh, Miss Merman, I am one of your most devoted fans,” Fierstein said to Merman, “I’m so honored you came to see the show. Please, I’m dying to know what you thought.” “I thought it was a piece of shit,” Merman told Fierstein, “But the rest of the audience laughed and cried, so what the fuck do I know?”

by Anonymousreply 376March 12, 2022 5:49 PM

I think Jessie Mueller would make a good Fanny Brice. And she's already dipped her toes in Streisand territory.

Beanie seems like a sweet girl, but I'm just not seeing it yet. But that could change.

by Anonymousreply 377March 12, 2022 5:53 PM

Am I thinking too much about Barbra or is Beanie purposely wearing a Broadway Album style op-shop dress?

by Anonymousreply 378March 12, 2022 5:55 PM

[quote] What's the Ethel Merman story?

The night he found out that Merman was part owner of the International Stud. Apparently, she would perform there and everyone though she was just another female impersonator.

by Anonymousreply 379March 12, 2022 5:57 PM

R371 - it is old-school to wear black in the theatre as well as being slimming.

by Anonymousreply 380March 12, 2022 5:57 PM

Ramin Karimloo, seen in the video at R373, must have had Harvey's mumu fluttering like leaves in a gale.

by Anonymousreply 381March 12, 2022 6:16 PM

It ain't that fuckin' slimming!!

by Anonymousreply 382March 12, 2022 6:16 PM

Beanie is a Weenie.

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by Anonymousreply 383March 13, 2022 11:30 AM

praiise god lea aint in it.

by Anonymousreply 384March 13, 2022 12:54 PM

"You are Woman, I am Man" is rewritten as "You Are Fatty, I am Not".

by Anonymousreply 385March 13, 2022 11:20 PM

I think he’s tremendous.

by Anonymousreply 386March 13, 2022 11:30 PM

If you poke him with a stick mac and cheese comes out.

by Anonymousreply 387March 14, 2022 3:32 AM

He was terrible in the otherwise great LIVE version of Hairspray. I said it at the time and was crucified here, but when you no longer can move and walk and raspy sing with any volume or melody - it's time to turn the role OVER. JHud, Chenoweth, Ariana Grande, Derek Hough, Garret Clayton and Sean Hayes make it the best cast ever for one of those shows. But Harvey could not do it anymore. Truth is - he was never great other than visually. He can't sing at all. And it's a big part of the show. One and done, 501's. Done.

I saw the Torch Song Trilogy Movie. I think it was all kinds of wrong and he's mincing and angry and pathetic....but I kind of liked the truth of it. The younger lover, the Anne Bancroft mother, , the pain and painfully bad jokes. It was a show and Feirstein deserves some credit for it. Everyone talks about The Normal Heart. Jesus that play was full of nothing but rants and announcements of who died. YIKES. The dramas about the dead AIDS gays are better when they are more Julie Andrews, Joanne Woodward, Ann-Mag-rock, Louise Mary Parker and other straight people in them. Longtime Companion.

Harvey's heart is in the right place. The Smithsonian.

Please don't fuck up Hairspray again. Put a Drag Queen in that role. One who can Sing. Ginger Minj? It's a much greater Broadway show than people on DL realize.

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by Anonymousreply 388March 14, 2022 4:12 AM

The role isn't for a drag queen, especially not one with no talent.

by Anonymousreply 389March 14, 2022 4:15 AM

Poor Mark O'Donnell walked out of his apartment to the sidewalk and dropped dead at at fifty-eight. He had a twin brother a big family and lots of friends who cared about him. He was a quirky, droll, funny sweet man who didn't deserve any cuntiness from Harvey Fierstein, especially since he's dead and cannot answer such stories. What was Mark supposed to do, sue to get his name off of a huge Broadway smash and go back to being a low-earning humorist?

Harvey is a fat nasty cunt and has a lot in common with the whiners at Zabar's. He is a highly unpleasant person whom nobody likes. Nobody.

by Anonymousreply 390March 14, 2022 4:33 AM

[quote]The role isn't for a drag queen, especially not one with no talent.

Ginger Minj is a better singer than Harvey - who isn't? She spent her whole pre Drag life in live theatre and doing Christian films. From the time he was a small child. Ginger won the John Waters Challenge on Drag Race! STFU, R389. You know nothing about talent and not much about dick either. Sit down.

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by Anonymousreply 391March 14, 2022 4:55 AM

I liked the book well enough, but I would have liked more info about the early years.

by Anonymousreply 392March 14, 2022 4:57 AM

[quote] You know nothing about talent and not much about dick either. Sit down.

You're gonna compare some provincial drag queen who won a contest to Harvey Fierstein? Yeah, you're an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 393March 14, 2022 5:30 AM

Yes of course I will and I DID, R393. You didn't even watch the video did you fool.

As a singer and female impersonator, Ginger Minj is one of many who are far superior to Harvey Weierstrass. That was my post that you first objected too moron. About Hairspray @388. I know my business. And you know nothing. Your nature is to stalk and harass certain posters. WE ALL know who you are.

Put the bottle down and get some rest. You have physio tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 394March 14, 2022 5:37 AM

I was lucky enough to see the original Broadway production of Torch Song Trilogy in 1982. I was blown away. It was funny, moving, powerful, and truly groundbreaking. My 19 year old self had never seen anything like it.

I think it was one of the few plays that truly helped change history. But I'm not sure that if I saw it now it would hold up, or have anything like the same impact. I've never seen the film or a theatrical revival, because the memory of that original production is so special to me and I don't want to mess with it.

by Anonymousreply 395March 14, 2022 5:43 AM

[quote] About Hairspray @388. I know my business. And you know nothing. Your nature is to stalk and harass certain posters. WE ALL know who you are.

Oh, you're a loon. Good, so that means you're worthless and there's no point arguing with you. Bye.

by Anonymousreply 396March 14, 2022 5:46 AM

[quote] I was lucky enough to see the original Broadway production of Torch Song Trilogy in 1982. I was blown away. It was funny, moving, powerful, and truly groundbreaking. My 19 year old self had never seen anything like it. I think it was one of the few plays that truly helped change history. But I'm not sure that if I saw it now it would hold up, or have anything like the same impact. I've never seen the film or a theatrical revival, because the memory of that original production is so special to me and I don't want to mess with it.

Yes, the show may be hopelessly dated now, but that does NOT lessen its original impact. People MUST remember that Harvey is responsible for two shows on Broadway which helped mainstream audiences accept gay people. That, in and of itself, is a major feat, but when you also realize that it was happening at the same time that AIDS was rearing its head and causing straight people to look at gay men in fear, anger and revulsion in levels that they never had before, and STILL these shows ran for several years and helped change minds- Harvey, like him or not (and I lean to the side of not) did more for us than any two bit fucking drag queen on a reality show.

by Anonymousreply 397March 14, 2022 5:50 AM

No. R389, R393 and R396. YOU are THE loon. Except you're worse than that. What a limp old diapered dick you have. Your hole gets a lot MORE action in the last 20 years. NURSE! Someone's gotta clean that up. And tie you down at night. I'm sorry for your suffering.

by Anonymousreply 398March 14, 2022 5:58 AM

Stop fighting girls you're both ugly.

Ginger Minj is that rare breed, a drag queen who can sing and act and most can't. The "talent' displayed on Drag Race is usually skin crawling,. Doing great make up doesn't mean you can act. Ginger Minj sang the song but also acted, as if he was in the role. He could do Edna or Albin, where most couldn't cut it in a community production in Podunk.

by Anonymousreply 399March 14, 2022 9:02 AM

Harvey;s Broadway version.

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by Anonymousreply 400March 14, 2022 9:09 AM

In the original Hairspray, Harvey would most often "sing" the first verse and then the chorus would come in and drown him out.; though, You're Timeless to Me was absolutely wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 401March 14, 2022 9:59 AM

Ginger Minj has been touring with a production of La Cage Aux Folles that recently opened in Chicago area. Both she and the production have earned rave reviews.

I'm not surprised. I saw Ginger's drag act in Ptown last summer and she was fabulous. Among other things, the bitch can really sing.

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by Anonymousreply 402March 14, 2022 1:26 PM

Ginger and her people need to get their own fucking thread and leave this one. That name is horrific, I throw up a little in my mouth each time I read it.

by Anonymousreply 403March 14, 2022 2:16 PM

I'm loving this book!

Fierstein really has worked so hard to achieve what he has. He doesn't use the book to even any scores. In fact, he may start a story being angry at someone's behavior but then he turns it around. He talks about the positive truths he got from the encounters.

I'm also surprised at how many times he talks about men in caftans! I guess it's a real thing.

by Anonymousreply 404March 14, 2022 3:06 PM

In the spring of 1983, I saw the original Broadway production twice, first with replacement Barbara Barrie, then a second time with Estelle Getty. Both were wonderful, but Getty seemed more at home in the role, and visually was a stark, hilarious contrast to Fierstein. I still have the published script autographed by Fierstein that was on sale in the lobby.

The play was revolutionary for its time, depicting issues and events never previously seen on Broadway., including a 4-page monologue from Fierstein, as he mimes getting buttfucked in a backroom bar. Also, Act II, concerning intertwining sexual connections, was staged on a gigantic bed, inviting all kinds of interpretation.

Given the temper of the times, I was surprised the movie got made at all. I later learned it only happened because of the willingness of Matthew Broderick, a very bankable star at the time, to appear in it. Sadly, I wasn’t impressed with Ann Bancroft’s caricature of a performance. A real shame it was made without Getty.

What’s fascinating, though, is the way the movie and play complement each other. Each one has sections not in the other. Fierstein’s monologue during sex is reduced to a one-liner, but added is the meeting and courtship, relationship, and later murder, of the Broderick character. This works well, because the second act of the play introduces him out of nowhere, and then he’s gone by Act III.

There is also greater background for Fierstein’s family, as well as his fellow drag queens at the cabaret where they appear, none of which is in the play. Since the play was originally conceived as 3 separate one-acts, with a limited cast, the movie has a much more cohesive, expanded structure.

Finally, I must mention the memorable performance of Court Miller as Fierstein’s bi-bf in Acts I and III, the role played by Lance Kerwin in the movie. Miller was moving and sympathetic. Perhaps I remembered him so fondly, because at the time I was living a life as conflicted as the one he portrayed. In those days, I was avidly seeking happy outcomes to coming out.

Miller died of AIDS in 1986, 2 years before the movie came out. As I recall, there is a title card dedicated to his memory, after the final credits.

by Anonymousreply 405March 14, 2022 4:00 PM

Curiously, in May of 1983, while “Torch Song” was still playing, I saw a preview of the musical, “Dance a Little Closer,” playing literally a block away at the Minskoff. But the artistic distance was so much greater.

Updating the 1936 play, “Idiots Delight,” book writer Alan Jay Lerner transformed a honeymooning straight couple into a pair of gay airline pilots. Revolutionary? Sort of. Yet, even though they were given a melodic song, “Why Can’t the World Go and Leave Us Alone?”, as well as a sort of comedic scene involving their request to be married, culminating in a lovely ballad, “Anyone Who Loves,” Lerner, also the director, never showed them having any physical contact. None.

What was massively ironic was that this was going on only a block away from the pretty graphic “Torch Song Trilogy,” which ran over 1600 performances, attracting all kinds of people from all over. Straight couples, the bridge-and-tunnel crowd, Jewish matrons, even leathermen, you name it.

“Dance a Little Closer” played only one performance, prompting Broadway wags to dub it “Close a Little Faster.” Not only because of its gay depiction, though that was singled out in reviews. (Did I say Brent Barrett played one of the pilots?)

Crazy contrast.

by Anonymousreply 406March 14, 2022 4:34 PM

[quote] I would hardly call it some huge career renaissance.

In the 1980s Anne Bancroft got FOUR STRAIGHT Golden Globe nominations in a row in the lead Actress Category

Too Be Or Not Too Be (1984)

Garbo Talks (1985)

Agnes of God (1986)

'Night Mother (1987)

by Anonymousreply 407March 14, 2022 4:45 PM

[quote] Curiously, in May of 1983, while “Torch Song” was still playing, I saw a preview of the musical, “Dance a Little Closer,” playing literally a block away at the Minskoff. But the artistic distance was so much greater.

I was living in DC when Dance a Little Closer previewed at the Kennedy Center. I specifically remember the Washington Post reviewer basically mocking that a gay couple would have a love song on stage.

by Anonymousreply 408March 14, 2022 4:47 PM

I loved Torch Song Trilogy as a play. I even loved it as movie, although the movie didn't have the same power.

It's silly to call the movie now dated because it actually takes place before AIDS and shows a slice of pre-AIDS gay NYC. By definition, it's dated. So is Gone with the Wind.

by Anonymousreply 409March 14, 2022 4:49 PM

I saw Fierstein years later, in 2017, at the Public Theatre, in Martin Sherman’s “Gently Down the Stream.” A play about the contrast between gay generations, it concerns an older gay man who becomes involved with a much younger one. Understandably, the older one has fears of intimacy, which affects the way he interacts with the world generally. Sherman, author of the previous success, “Bent,” creates a more realistic, interpersonal situation. Very well done.

But, it was the presence of Fierstein that made it seem almost like a sequel to “Torch Song.” The same mannerisms and vocal intonations, combined with references to gay history since then, added a different slant to the text, making it seem like the further adventures of Arnold. It made me realize that Fierstein plays that character to perfection. But that’s all he plays.

It would be interesting to see how someone else would present the same text. I’m glad I saw him in it, but his performance was more revealing than I think he intended.

by Anonymousreply 410March 14, 2022 5:25 PM

[quote] You're gonna compare some provincial drag queen who won a contest to Harvey Fierstein? Yeah, you're an idiot.

Harvey Fierstein is just a drag queen from the boroughs who took advantage of the propinquity of Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 411March 14, 2022 5:25 PM

[quote] It's silly to call the movie now dated because it actually takes place before AIDS and shows a slice of pre-AIDS gay NYC. By definition, it's dated. So is Gone with the Wind.

I didn't say it was dated because of the time period it takes place, it's dated because it doesn't really work anymore. The writing is hackneyed in many places and it feels like an unwelcome throwback, as the 2018 revival proved.

by Anonymousreply 412March 14, 2022 5:59 PM

[quote] Harvey Fierstein is just a drag queen from the boroughs who took advantage of the propinquity of Broadway.

Sure, because Broadway was just dying to put any old drag queen on Broadway in 1982.

by Anonymousreply 413March 14, 2022 6:00 PM

[quote]Given the temper of the times, I was surprised the movie got made at all. I later learned it only happened because of the willingness of Matthew Broderick, a very bankable star at the time, to appear in it.

Apparently not true, according to the book, Broderick didn't finally commit until the last minute after everything was set to go.

by Anonymousreply 414March 14, 2022 6:24 PM

Yes and I thought they started with another actor and then paid hi off and brought in Broderick.

by Anonymousreply 415March 14, 2022 6:32 PM

Yes Wiki says Broderick originally refused the role of Alan because he was recuperating from an automobile accident in Ireland. Tate Donovan was cast, but two days into the rehearsal period Broderick had a change of heart and contacted Fierstein, who fired Donovan.

by Anonymousreply 416March 14, 2022 6:33 PM

There was a funny story about Torch Song Trilogy. I heard it on Channel 4 News in NYC when they had a few seconds left before signing off and needed some filler.

Torch Song Trilogy was playing at the Helen Hayes Theater. Two old ladies were observed standing outside the theater looking at production pictures. One turned to the other and said, “Well, if Helen Hayes is in it, it has to be good.” So they bought tickets and went in.

by Anonymousreply 417March 14, 2022 6:40 PM

[quote] The writing is hackneyed in many places and it feels like an unwelcome throwback, as the 2018 revival proved

The 2018 revival was terrible, not because of the writing, but because the original was hacked up.

by Anonymousreply 418March 14, 2022 6:49 PM

Every possible choice that was made for the 2018 revival was terrible. The play didn't stand a chance and it will probably not be seen in NY again until after we're all dead.

Haven't read Harvey's book but I hope he comments honestly about that revival.

by Anonymousreply 419March 14, 2022 6:56 PM

I can't think of a single part played by Harvey Fierstein that wouldn't have been better with Tyne Daly.

by Anonymousreply 420March 14, 2022 11:13 PM

Ben Brantley in The New York Times gave the Torch Song revival a good review.

by Anonymousreply 421March 15, 2022 12:43 AM

And then he was fired.

by Anonymousreply 422March 15, 2022 2:21 AM

[quote]It made me realize that Fierstein plays that character to perfection. But that’s all he plays.

Arnold Beckman IS Edna Turnblad!

No, really, he is.

by Anonymousreply 423March 15, 2022 2:34 AM

This thread has lasted far longer than it deserves.

by Anonymousreply 424March 15, 2022 2:36 AM

It looked like Mercedes Ruehl had some bad plastic surgery. She looked just as bad in Hustlers.

by Anonymousreply 425March 15, 2022 3:24 AM

This is the first thread in a trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 426March 15, 2022 4:38 AM

He is a pig and a rude skunt.

by Anonymousreply 427March 15, 2022 5:54 AM

Him singing I AM WHAT I AM is scarey/horrid/ear splitting and humiliating. audience dint even hardly applaud after. DISASTER

by Anonymousreply 428March 15, 2022 5:56 AM

The best I Am What I Am. Ever. I don't even like the show, but I was in it!

Harvey can't sing. If you're going to star in a Broadway musical - you should be able to sing. And don't give me no Rex Harrison My Fair Lady bullfrog bullshit.

That one from down under can't really sing either. Hugh Jackman. There, I've said it. And Ricky Martin was TERRIBLE in Evita. He can sing. A bit.

Harvey is terrible. He ruined Hairspray.

Ginger Minj is having a great success with La Cage. Because she's a drag queen/actor who can sing and perform and ACT! Harvey just Tyne Dalies all over the place with some Linda Lavin thrown in. He's not as good as half a one of them!

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by Anonymousreply 429March 15, 2022 6:08 AM

r429: Agree. Jackman tries very hard, is handsome and charismatic and people want to fuck him. So people forget he cannot sing.

by Anonymousreply 430March 15, 2022 1:02 PM

He sings as well as Carol Channing sings...and that's fine for Bway

by Anonymousreply 431March 15, 2022 1:12 PM

I was trying to find Torch Song Trilogy on some streaming service, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 432March 15, 2022 1:13 PM

John Barrowman more upbeat version

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by Anonymousreply 433March 15, 2022 2:03 PM

David Engel can sing and is pretty too.

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by Anonymousreply 434March 15, 2022 2:04 PM

[quote]Harvey is terrible. He ruined Hairspray.

Oh my God, where were you? What a lost opportunity! Can you imagine what a hit "Hairspray" could have been with your input. Damn.

by Anonymousreply 435March 15, 2022 2:07 PM

well if we're dragging out all the versions, here's Gloria.

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by Anonymousreply 436March 15, 2022 2:21 PM

[quote] John Barrowman more upbeat version

A bit over the top when he pulled out his dick and started banging it against the microphone.

Three women in the audience fainted and a nun renounced her vow of chastity after seeing that.

by Anonymousreply 437March 15, 2022 4:44 PM

My favorite version.

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by Anonymousreply 438March 15, 2022 8:53 PM

I've seen every Broadway production of "La Cage" and I think it's a pretty terrible show. Thin, unfunny book that makes heavy-handed manifestos that in the end are not really groundbreaking. They hit you over the head in a very self-congratulatory way, but that's Harvey Fierstein for you!

It's a shitty show that hit at exactly the right moment to claim credit for every bit of progress already under way. I highly doubt important social shifts were coming from Long Island matinee ladies who saw the show two years into the run, but like the Trans Agenda crowd, it's best to stridently take credit for everything you can and dare reality to claw it back!

Listening to interviews of George Hearn you'd think the original production had cured cancer and invented the blow job simultaneously. I was there...it didn't.

by Anonymousreply 439March 15, 2022 11:02 PM

Fanny, you're kind of an idiot, aren't you?

by Anonymousreply 440March 16, 2022 2:16 AM

We could have had John Raitt instead. "John Raitt recalled the problem he had breaking loose of the Western tough guy image he created in 'Carousel' and 'Oklahoma!'

'I was turned down for 'La Cage aux Folles,' ' he said, 'because I was told I was too strong. People have an image of John Raitt playing these John Wayne kind of roles. I asked Ann Miller if she could imagine me playing George, one of the homosexual lovers, and she said no. That's kind of sad. Olivier, people like that, could do so many different roles. I've been known for Curly in 'Oklahoma!' and Billy Bigelow. I don't mind that, except no one writes parts like that anymore.'

by Anonymousreply 441March 16, 2022 2:25 AM

I saw all three Broadway versions of La Cage as well, and, though I don't think it's that bad, I did think the direction of the original was horrible. The best version I saw was the first revival, which I was lucky to have seen at the Actors Fund Benefit. Gary Beach and replacement Robert Goulet were great together. Goulet kept forgetting his lines, but he ad-libbed hilariously, and the crowd loved it. And the direction was so much better than the original's. (Arthur Laurents, the meanest man in show biz, was a great writer, but a horrible director.)

by Anonymousreply 442March 16, 2022 2:27 AM

Huh. John Raitt would have been perfect for Georges.

by Anonymousreply 443March 16, 2022 2:28 AM

I find it hard to believe Raitt was turned down for La Cage for that reason. He was a much bigger name that either Gene Barry or George Hearn and we've heard many stories about how the creatives could not get any names to come in for the roles. If they turned him down, it had to be for a different reason.

by Anonymousreply 444March 16, 2022 2:28 AM

[quote] I asked Ann Miller if she could imagine me playing George, one of the homosexual lovers, and she said no.

He asked Ann Fucking Miller? She probably had her eye on playing Albin and was trying to figure out where in “I Am What I Am” her tap dance would come in.

by Anonymousreply 445March 16, 2022 9:37 AM

It can't be age as John Raitt was only 4 days younger than Gene Barry. And Arthur Laurents said he wanted to fire Barry in rehearsals but they couldn't find a replacement.

by Anonymousreply 446March 16, 2022 11:37 AM

oops. Raitt was 2 years older than Barry.

by Anonymousreply 447March 16, 2022 11:39 AM

Still.....what's the use of wonderin'......?

by Anonymousreply 448March 16, 2022 1:21 PM

Faced with Arthur Laurents, Jerry Herman, Allan Carr, and Harvey, am not surprised John ran away.

by Anonymousreply 449March 16, 2022 1:44 PM

Theoni V. Aldredge had nerves of sheet metal to put up with all of them.

by Anonymousreply 450March 16, 2022 1:50 PM

To be clear, this says “new autobiography,” was there an earlier one, and if so, how do they compare?

by Anonymousreply 451March 16, 2022 2:15 PM

Funny, Harvey never mentions the day Robert Stack was in rehearsal as a replacement in La Cage, told Laurents to go fuck himself, and walked out of the theatre, returning to California.

by Anonymousreply 452March 16, 2022 4:04 PM

Did Stack replace Gene Barry or precede him?

by Anonymousreply 453March 16, 2022 5:29 PM

La Cage and the King and I are the only two musicals to have won Best Musical and then Best Revival twice.

by Anonymousreply 454March 16, 2022 5:49 PM

Stack never got through tech before Arthur told him he sucked.

by Anonymousreply 455March 16, 2022 8:23 PM

Robert Stack, the star of “The Untouchables” and “Unsolved Mysteries,” didn’t even make it in front of an audience.

Brought in to replace Gene Barry in the original 1983 production, Stack was dismissed the day before he was to go on. The details were laid out in a scorching letter “La Cage” director Arthur Laurents wrote to producer Allan Carr.

Dear Allan,

Two years ago, I listened to Robert Stack sing in your living room and said politely that he had an instrument but needed to take singing lessons. Your reply was memorable: “But Bob’s aunt was an opera singer!” I also pointed out that since Stack’s stage experience — something you hadn’t even asked about — was limited to five weeks of summer stock 20 years ago, it behooved him to get some real experience.

Nevertheless, you, the Veteran Producer (according to your bio, which, however, lists no previous theater experience worth mentioning) waited until I was in London and then insisted on signing Stack without anyone hearing him read, let alone sing, in a theater. You took a full page ad in The New York Times heralding the Coming of Sonny Tufts [a long-forgotten opera singer-turned-actor] to the Palace. Brilliant!

But when the Opera Singer’s Nephew was staggering and stumbling through rehearsals that were painful and embarrassing, did you come to New York to be supportive of your floundering friend? No, you hid. And when it was necessary to lead your friend to the sad truth that he would be publicly humiliated if he appeared onstage before a paying audience, did you lead him to the truth? No, I had to do that. Veteran Producer was too busy asking how do we — we! — get out of it. And who got dumped on in the media for the whole mess? You, the person responsible? No, I did.

And did you, self-proclaimed P.R. expert, the Mouth always so busy giving interviews about “your” “Cage aux Folles,” did you bring your alleged expertise to my aid? No, you stuffed a white flag in that mouth and limited your concern to giving your friend a good financial settlement for being no good.

The Stack fiasco cost well over $100,000. Did you pay? No, the show did, the investors did. Will they ever know? How creative is your bookkeeping? As creative as your ducking responsibility? Because who, in this whole painful and unnecessary episode, who got off scott free? You did.

For once, I would like to get an acknowledgment of a letter written to you. If not, a copy of this will be sent to your investors or the press or Stack or all of them.

Arthur

by Anonymousreply 456March 16, 2022 9:44 PM

Arthur Laurents could be magnificently articulate when he was right. I wonder if he finally got his letter of apology from Carr?

by Anonymousreply 457March 16, 2022 11:01 PM

[quote]The dramas about the dead AIDS gays are better when they are more Julie Andrews, Joanne Woodward, Ann-Mag-rock, Louise Mary Parker and other straight people in them.

This is all anyone needs to know about how worthless you are.

by Anonymousreply 458March 16, 2022 11:35 PM

Allan Carr never apologized to ANYONE. But neither did scumbag Arthur Laurents.

by Anonymousreply 459March 17, 2022 12:20 AM

This the same conversation that happened around Queer as Folk.

by Anonymousreply 460March 17, 2022 12:47 AM

he is a known asshole, who would buy his book of shit????

by Anonymousreply 461March 17, 2022 4:59 AM

That's a bit simplistic R461. He's had a singular and important career in gay culture, theater, film and popular entertainment. I don't enjoy his performing talents much - he's season one Rhoda. Gay self pity with extra chutzpah.

Gay life is sad and he looked and hooked into it. Later he decided to rejoice in it once he could afford some good dick. Now he's an icon. Impotent and full of jokes. A lot of artistic "Gay Leaders" are like this. Homely and mouthy and Jewish. Harvey was a force of enlightenment before I was born. In a crudely obvious way - people maybe needed to see that. The raw emotion of gay pain - when you're also ugly. He's the Barbara Streisand of Gay men. Way too much to prove and ends up representing mostly himself. Amusing to some, cringe worthy to others. Only gay people and some New Yorkers cared. He's not exactly Tennessee Williams. NOT AT ALL. And he's no Streizand either. STOP SINGING.

You can't stop the Beat. Harvey should have stepped back from subjecting people to his "singing" 25 years ago. Yikes.

It's the right time for him to write a book. He's an institution. Kinda.

Watch the movie of Hairspray - It's damn near perfect. No Harvey!

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by Anonymousreply 462March 17, 2022 6:14 AM

r462 you forgot to include "ancient white fags" in your rambling, idiotic post. As usual, your opinion is worthless and only matters in your addled little mind.

by Anonymousreply 463March 17, 2022 6:37 AM

Oh and r462 your anti-Semitism is repulsive. Just like you.

by Anonymousreply 464March 17, 2022 6:38 AM

My post is illustrative and insightful and full of interest and wisdom. It is provocative and informative to most everyone but you, R463. You are so very OLD and defend most ancient WHITE gay stereotypes. Harvey and Streisand. Yuck. You ARE the famous RACIST on this site. I am not anti-Semitic. I am a musician and a performer. If you deny that Harvey and Streizand's persona's are largely associated with being Jewish - y'all are just throwing your diaper at the wall.

I'm a fucking genius compared to your multiple posts from your obvious puppet accounts. You're not bright enough to challenge anyone except in the most simplistic and harassing ways. The very definition of a troll. Leave me alone and enjoy my posts. You are welcome to learn from my expertise and point of view. On this site, it is free.

by Anonymousreply 465March 17, 2022 6:49 AM

^^Fucking worthless asshole. Just die already.

by Anonymousreply 466March 17, 2022 6:51 AM

[quote]. You are welcome to learn from my expertise and point of view.

You are a mentally disturbed troll. Go cry to your Jesus Freak family, who fucked you up beyond belief. A shame your mother didn't believe in abortion, because you should've been left in a dumpster.

by Anonymousreply 467March 17, 2022 6:53 AM

^^Thanks for proving my point with your "comeback."

by Anonymousreply 468March 17, 2022 6:53 AM

[quote]Harvey and Streizand's persona's

We all have so much to learn from AWFT....

by Anonymousreply 469March 17, 2022 6:56 AM

r468 the point is valid. You're a troll who screams about "white fags." And you have a very reactionary and disturbed mind. You are, in fact, worthless.

by Anonymousreply 470March 17, 2022 7:01 AM

Harvey Feirstein was beyond TERRIBLE in the live version of Hairspray. He couldn't even "talk" the songs or deliver his lines. He was without variation or intonation. Not even a personality. He was fucking BAD. He saw the reviews - hung up his girdles and started writing his whiny book.

My life has nothing to do with jesus. You're also R469 and R470. Same voice lisping back- within seconds - from different accounts. You posted over two thousand times about your lust for John Mulaney and your insane hatred for his wife! Literally. What the fuck do you understand about being Jewish or Black? Or human. You're nuts. I can post many of your other harassing posts if you like. DL has most of them documented. But they're available.

We pray that Jesus heals you, because of your particular hopelessness. Someone must have raised you. But y'all are obviously over 80 years old and alone now. You're a disgusting RACIST ancient white FAG.

May jesus visit healing upon your diseased mind and body, this night.🙏🏾

But we got THIS - the magnificent Jennifer Hudson - LIVE. I Know Where I've Been.

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by Anonymousreply 471March 17, 2022 7:12 AM

[quote]You are welcome to learn from my expertise and point of view.

From a guy who screams about "ancient white fags" on a gay forum. 🙄 GTFO of here.

by Anonymousreply 472March 17, 2022 7:13 AM

r471 is batshit insane. Muriel needs to nuke you.

by Anonymousreply 473March 17, 2022 7:14 AM

Your posts are the ones slashed out, R473.

by Anonymousreply 474March 17, 2022 7:20 AM

Nope r473

by Anonymousreply 475March 17, 2022 7:23 AM

Yeah they are. A day away from a red tag. Slashed out.

by Anonymousreply 476March 17, 2022 7:26 AM

Whoops I meant r474. My posts are fine. Muriel will be dealing with you tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 477March 17, 2022 7:27 AM

There are no slashed out posts from anyone on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 478March 17, 2022 7:28 AM

There is no Muriel. Everyone knows how it works here.

Your days are numbered. In more ways than one.

I'll call the NAACP!

by Anonymousreply 479March 17, 2022 7:35 AM

Kind of cunty, but would this guy be famous without the extremely raspy, bass voice?

by Anonymousreply 480March 17, 2022 7:36 AM

It's definitely a big part of his persona r480

by Anonymousreply 481March 17, 2022 7:37 AM

I love how (at the time that I'm writing this, anyway) the troll likes each of his posts twice. Zero effort to even appear like other people are actually liking his posts, e.g. some with the 3W&W, some with 1 W&W.

by Anonymousreply 482March 17, 2022 7:50 AM

Michelle Pfieffer can really sing. Even she looks a bit suprised! Thanks for the fun link R462.

by Anonymousreply 483March 17, 2022 8:03 AM

r483 and r462 are the same ancient white fags troll, talking to itself.

by Anonymousreply 484March 17, 2022 8:05 AM

"White" fags? Shame on you.

by Anonymousreply 485March 17, 2022 8:11 AM

Whenever I’m annoyed by how gays are portrayed in media, I remember his commentary from ‘Celluloid Closet’. It’s the only commentary that stuck with me from the entire documentary. “Visibility at any cost. I’d rather have negative than nothing’.

by Anonymousreply 486March 17, 2022 8:12 AM

He's still alive?

by Anonymousreply 487March 17, 2022 8:14 AM

r486 in that era he had a point. Totally unacceptable now, but back then people had to take what they could get.

by Anonymousreply 488March 17, 2022 8:14 AM

R484 is delusional. SAD old man.

by Anonymousreply 489March 17, 2022 8:14 AM

R488 of course times change. What annoyed me 30 years ago is a very different threshold from today. We’re still not on equal footing, but at least it’s usually moving in the right direction. Although, you could make the argument the increasing use of queer baiting has made gays more invisible while trying to be appear inclusive. International marketing to appease more homophobic places is having a reverse effect as well. Showing ‘The Gays’ is still a risk.

by Anonymousreply 490March 17, 2022 8:26 AM

to know her, is to loathe her.

by Anonymousreply 491March 17, 2022 8:30 AM

[quote]Harvey Feirstein was beyond TERRIBLE in the live version of Hairspray. He couldn't even "talk" the songs or deliver his lines. He was without variation or intonation. Not even a personality. He was fucking BAD. He saw the reviews - hung up his girdles and started writing his whiny book.

Uh huh.

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by Anonymousreply 492March 17, 2022 9:15 AM

[quote]Funny, Harvey never mentions the day Robert Stack was in rehearsal as a replacement in La Cage, told Laurents to go fuck himself, and walked out of the theatre, returning to California.

As said, he gives very little dirt. It's a great speed bump in that production that would have been cool to get his perspective. He writes as if he is only writing to Broadway fans. In talking about "Newsies", he states we opened at The Paper Mill Playhouse. No in Milburn NJ, or it's a regional, as if everyone should know it.

by Anonymousreply 493March 17, 2022 9:20 AM

R492, sorry, but your response makes no sense. Hairspray live was 18 years after the Broadway show. A person's voice can change a lot in 18 years. In the Broadway musical, Harvey would sing one verse and the chorus would take over. That said, You're Timeless to Me was wonderful. However, by La Cage in 2010 his voice was shot.

by Anonymousreply 494March 17, 2022 9:23 AM

The same New York Post article that has the Arthur Laurents letter to Allan Carr also mentions that Jeffrey Tambor and Daniel Davis as replacements. Tambor quit the show after four painful performances and Davis was fired from the 2004 Broadway revival — not that he wasn’t up to the job, because he was excellent. But he was going through a rough patch in his private life and wasn’t easy to get along with backstage.

by Anonymousreply 495March 17, 2022 12:10 PM

[quote] Watch the movie of Hairspray - It's damn near perfect. No Harvey!

Except John Travolta took Harvey's role and basically made it disappear. There was no point to Edna in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 496March 17, 2022 12:21 PM

Harvey is a singular creature of Broadway, like Merman or Channing.

Very idiosyncratic.

Reading the book, I had forgotten just how accomplished he is both as an actor and theatre writer.

Torch Song, La Cage, Fiddler, Hairspray--as an actor

Torch Song, La Cage, Hairpray, Newsies, Catered Affair, and others-- as a writer

by Anonymousreply 497March 17, 2022 12:24 PM

I knew Harvey Tavel and his partner as acquaintances. Harvey Tavel was Ron Tavel's brother and helped him produce and direct the scripts for Andy Warhol's movies and, later, Ron's plays.

Fierstein worked closely with Harvey and Ron Tavel (and was Harvey's roommate for a while) and mentions them much in his book.

Harvey Tavel told me the same stories, so it's nice to see them in print and to read about my old acquaintance. Harvey and his partner had moved to Sarasota, FL, and would come up for a few weeks every winter to catch operas and Bway musicals, Sadly both have died. It was sad to see those words again in Harvey's book,

by Anonymousreply 498March 17, 2022 12:30 PM

Here is the website that Harvey Tavel created to celebrate his brother Ron's work. Harvey T (and Fierstein) felt Ron didn't get his due for the revolutionary theatre her created so made the website.

Fierstein mentions it in his book.

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by Anonymousreply 499March 17, 2022 1:28 PM

Daniel David has been going through that "rough patch" in his career for about 40 years now. He's always been impossible to deal with. I've worked with him 3 or 4 times.....he always starts out pleasant and amiable and then something cracks, possibly his unwarranted insecurities, and he becomes the Devil.

by Anonymousreply 500March 17, 2022 1:34 PM

Daniel DaviS. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 501March 17, 2022 1:34 PM

Daniel Davis is gay? no mention in his wiki bio / thx in advance

by Anonymousreply 502March 17, 2022 1:37 PM

r462 is very astute.

by Anonymousreply 503March 17, 2022 1:59 PM

No one expects the Edna Turnblatt character to be a fantastic singer. I think she only has one solo song and fades in the background for the other songs.

by Anonymousreply 504March 17, 2022 2:46 PM

R495-Without naming him, Harvey alludes to Daniel Davis for all the shit Gary Beach had to wade through in that first revival. According to rumors at the time, Davis made Beach's life intolerable backstage.

by Anonymousreply 505March 17, 2022 3:01 PM

[quote]Except John Travolta took Harvey's role and basically made it disappear. There was no point to Edna in the movie.

Says you. Movie theater audiences loved Travolta and he got big laughs and end credit applause. Saw it show after show.

by Anonymousreply 506March 17, 2022 5:13 PM

R506, They just like the novelty of seeing Travolta dressed in drag.

When I see the movie, I think "what's the point of this?"

Without a drag queen in the role, you don't get the overthetop looks and gestures.

by Anonymousreply 507March 17, 2022 6:47 PM

[quote] According to rumors at the time, Davis made Beach's life intolerable backstage.

Any tea about how?

by Anonymousreply 508March 17, 2022 6:48 PM

The movie version of the musical Hairspray is perfectly cast. Even the backup dancers are perfectly cast and choreographed. It's the 10th biggest moneymaking musical film of all time. Received universally great reviews. It's beloved and ridiculously enjoyable.

by Anonymousreply 509March 17, 2022 8:06 PM

R509, John Travolta was horribly miscast

by Anonymousreply 510March 17, 2022 8:48 PM

Isn't Davis banned from Broadway due to people going to Equity to complain how horrible he was during that run?

by Anonymousreply 511March 17, 2022 9:27 PM

[quote]The movie version of the musical Hairspray is perfectly cast. Even the backup dancers are perfectly cast and choreographed. It's the 10th biggest moneymaking musical film of all time. Received universally great reviews. It's beloved and ridiculously enjoyable.

And should have been nominated for a bunch of Oscars but wasn't for one simple reason. The academy would never nominate anything associated with John Waters. They couldn't even muster a Best Costume or Art Direction nomination. Same reason hilarious Kathleen Turner was snubbed for "Serial Mom"

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by Anonymousreply 512March 17, 2022 10:02 PM

Well if they can give Elia Kazan and Roman Polanski Oscars surely they can forgive John for having Divine eat doggie doo?

by Anonymousreply 513March 17, 2022 10:23 PM

If they can give Roger Corman an Honorary Oscar for producing 50 years of garbage, they can give one to John Waters for producing 50 years of iconoclastic cult cinema.

by Anonymousreply 514March 17, 2022 10:41 PM

Roger Corman introduced the world to Jack Nicholson, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Jonathan Demme, Peter Bogdanovich, Joe Dante, John Sayles, and James Cameron

John Waters introduced the world to....

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by Anonymousreply 515March 17, 2022 11:12 PM

Funny tweet. "So I’m at the garage getting my car worked on reading your book. This huge mechanic comes in the waiting room and says “Isn’t that a great book?” I said oh yes. Harvey the world loves ya!!"

by Anonymousreply 516March 17, 2022 11:15 PM

Photos of the huge mechanic or it didn't happen, r516.

by Anonymousreply 517March 18, 2022 12:23 AM

Yeah, I call bullshit on that tweet.

by Anonymousreply 518March 18, 2022 12:36 AM

R513 Bawdy irreverence isn't usually recognized by the academy however earned it may be.

by Anonymousreply 519March 18, 2022 12:49 AM

Harvey's still alive?

by Anonymousreply 520March 18, 2022 1:19 AM

Tweet is from actor Hunter Boyle. He also tweets Drop everything and get a copy of @HarveyFierstein ‘s new book. It is what I imagine talking to him in person would be like. So good. So real.

by Anonymousreply 521March 18, 2022 2:10 PM

Hunter Boyle has one acting credit. Playing one of the Little Bastards in Bobby Benson's 1990 comedy Modern Love.

by Anonymousreply 522March 18, 2022 2:13 PM

... Robby Benson.

by Anonymousreply 523March 19, 2022 12:41 AM

The Paid Notice in The Times said Paul Joynt died at 47 "Unexpectedly on August 6, 2001." Do we know what happened?

by Anonymousreply 524March 19, 2022 1:05 AM

Joynt committed suicide. He had a long history of mental health issues.

by Anonymousreply 525March 19, 2022 1:10 AM

Harvey on CBS News.

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by Anonymousreply 526March 19, 2022 1:14 AM

BIG as a HOUSE!

by Anonymousreply 527March 19, 2022 3:11 AM

Well now that I know the backing for the film of TST wasn't even dependent on Broderick Harvey's stabbing in the back of both Joynt and Getty is all the more nauseating. What a piece of garbage.

And everybody forgets the French film of La Cage. What a beauty. Light years ahead of the garbage dumps that are the musical and The Birdcage.

by Anonymousreply 528March 19, 2022 1:40 PM

What are you talking about, R528? Of course it was. Just because they decided to move ahead without Broderick doesn't mean the producers didn't move heaven and earth to get him on board when he became available. They likely had to pay Tate Donovan off in order to get Broderick on. And why? Because they knew that when it came time to market the film, Bancroft and Broderick would both be selling points.

And anyone acting like Paul Joynt was ever going to get the role of Alan has no idea how the business of film works. Add to that the fact that he was an unreliable drug addict- who needs that shit? The only person I think Harvey would have fought for if possible would have been Court Miller, had he still been alive and well enough to do the role of Ed.

by Anonymousreply 529March 19, 2022 4:39 PM

Ok. I get it. But Broderick was so wrong for the role it was laughable. And Joynt managed 8 performances a week of the play and I've never read anywhere he was unreliable and a canceller. I have no doubt if he had gotten the movie he would have held it together. Doesn't Harvey write he hanged himself after a failed audition? No he would have been a pro on the set of that film. And Getty's performance which I saw twice well it's a sin she didn't get the film and wasn't she already a hit on Golden Girls or was this before?

And to add insult to injury didn't Harvey give Joynt in the film a cameo of a homophobe in a nightclub yelling out 'cocksucker!'? Harvey's a pig.

by Anonymousreply 530March 19, 2022 5:20 PM

Ok it wasn't a cameo. More like a teensy weensy bit part.

by Anonymousreply 531March 19, 2022 5:23 PM

Court Miller was believable casting as someone who might have been sexually and romantically interested in Harvey. Young Matthew Broderick was not and certainly Tate Donovan would not have been. What an ego driven fantasy!

by Anonymousreply 532March 20, 2022 12:22 AM

Harvey does the DVD audio commentary for Torch Song Trilogy and I remember him saying how he dieted liked a demon to look thin for the movie.

by Anonymousreply 533March 20, 2022 12:35 AM

[quote] Harvey does the DVD audio commentary for Torch Song Trilogy and I remember him saying how he dieted liked a demon to look thin for the movie.

I guess they couldn't push back the start date any further. Oh well, he tried.

by Anonymousreply 534March 20, 2022 2:59 AM

Harvey's net worth said to be $4 million.

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by Anonymousreply 535March 20, 2022 1:59 PM

Does he talk about drag at all into his book? Is it something he still likes to do, keeping a closet full of clothes and a vanity filled with makeup? Does he dress up a couple of times a month or so?

by Anonymousreply 536March 20, 2022 2:17 PM

Harvey Weinstein never did DRAG. He was just an ugly fat man in a dress and the wrong shade of lipstick.

by Anonymousreply 537March 20, 2022 6:19 PM

4 million? That cannot be right. He's worth a lot more.

by Anonymousreply 538March 20, 2022 6:46 PM

Ridgefield CT is a lovely town. He's lived there for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 539March 20, 2022 6:48 PM

Didn't he just donate $1m to the NYPL? No one who's only worth $4m donates 1/4 of their money.

by Anonymousreply 540March 20, 2022 6:49 PM

Maybe is $4 milliion in dog money.

by Anonymousreply 541March 20, 2022 9:51 PM

I’m surprised he never changed his name to Harvey Fiercestein!

by Anonymousreply 542March 20, 2022 9:57 PM

one of the most consequential theater artists of our time - Advocate.

by Anonymousreply 543March 21, 2022 1:15 PM

As someone asked above, Fierstein goes into detail about the 2017 Torch Song revival.

He said that, nowadays, no one would watch a play that long or finance a play that long, so he had to shorten it. He also distances himself from it by saying he left it alone after rewriting it. It was ultimately the vision of the director.

He also says the main thing that was missing this time was the sense of danger. When TST first came out, gays were scared to see themselves on stage. Much of what they did was still considered illegal. The audiences was watching dangerous theatre. Not today anymore.

by Anonymousreply 544March 21, 2022 1:28 PM

The bio is so f'ing long!

by Anonymousreply 545March 21, 2022 6:00 PM

Does Harvey read DL? He knows about the dog recently dumped at a shelter because his owners thought he was gay, the subject of another thread here.

by Anonymousreply 546March 22, 2022 2:55 PM

Do you think DL was the only place that was mentioned?

by Anonymousreply 547March 22, 2022 3:14 PM

[quote] Do you think DL was the only place that was mentioned?

No, but DL was the only place where the dog was attacked for being out and happy.

by Anonymousreply 548March 22, 2022 4:01 PM

Did Harvey say that the dog just wanted to be loved, is that so wrong?

by Anonymousreply 549March 22, 2022 6:17 PM

They were upset the dog was a transvestite. He wanted to wear a bow and a sweater with a poodle on it.

by Anonymousreply 550March 23, 2022 9:35 PM

Doesn't mean he was gay. He could have just been a crossdresser.

by Anonymousreply 551March 23, 2022 9:52 PM

Just in case anyone cares...

I think the person upthread was confused about what someone meant by the "live" version of Hairspray, which could reasonably out of context mean either the live TV version or the live STAGE version.

by Anonymousreply 552March 23, 2022 10:14 PM

DO NOT give him anymore ideas for gay animal picture books, this was by far more than necessary!

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by Anonymousreply 553March 24, 2022 1:02 AM

Harvey supports the new generation of LQBTQIA and youth.

“Young people must declare the world they want. The world does belong to young people. It’s our job as old farts…to support their ideas. Right now, we’re seeing a reaction of frightened old people. People that say, ‘I want to go backward’…You can’t go backward, it’s impossible to go backward. History doesn’t work that way. The world doesn’t work that way. Time doesn’t work that way…So I say to kids, be brave. Decide the world you want and there are plenty of us that will back you up. Tell us what you want and we will be behind you.”- Harvey Fierstein

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by Anonymousreply 554April 17, 2022 9:30 AM

Who thought it was a good idea to give him FUNNY GIRL's book to slaughter? Oy! And I'm reading on Playbill's website that the preview audiences are raucous - screaming and whooping at every song and scene change! Quelle horreur!

At least he didn't decide to play Mrs. Strakosh!

by Anonymousreply 555April 17, 2022 5:40 PM

Mrs. Strakosh is too short a role. Mrs. Brice or Georgia with all scenes reinstated.

by Anonymousreply 556April 18, 2022 12:53 AM
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