What is the reason behind the sudden uptick in FTM guys on gay porn sites?

What I’ve noticed is a lot of openly gay porn stars who are tops won’t suck dick on camera but will eat FTM pussy. Especially on only fans. I never thought I’d see the day where “gay” men eat pussy but won’t suck cock and this is heralded and expected.

In life, the only people I've ever known to date FTM are lesbians.

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Gay conversion.

{bold]It's called CAPITALISM, Rose.[/bold]

Porn sites only do what makes them money and if adding FTM to their roster adds money... then that's what they'll do.

That means "the market" wants some FTM in the rotation. Again, CAPITALISM.

So don't be an idiot - if it's a trend in porn it's because of money money money.

R8 will then go on to say that forced diversity is required in Penn because gays are racists... Spare me. R8 is actually trying to make us believe that gay men are driving interest in FTM shit--that's self evidently nonsense. The "what you currently have is what you asked for and deserve!" is such a childish and reductionist argument, ignoring the actual factors at work here (and it's not that gay men are suddenly liking pussy, we are not!).

WTF jibberish did R9 just reply to me with?

PS R9. Nobody's making you watch anything with FTM performers in it. You still have a gazillion good ole fashioned cis-man on cis-man videos out there, which I know are still there a'plenty because that's the kind I prefer to watch.

But, again, regarding your reply to me, you seem drunk... and not a fun kind of drunk.

Anyone who says shit like "cis man" - and calls "cis man" sex "traditional" is a homophobic moron. The transcult calls anyone who says they prefer "cis" a transphobe. R8 is a transphobe, according to the transcult he supports.

Most gay men aren't attracted to FTM. While some can pass for a nice twink on the surface you can still tell they aren't biological men and it's even worse post-op because they don't have a real dick. Gay men love big functioning dicks. Most people who date FTM are lesbians or bisexual women. Bisexual men prefer cis gender men and women because nothing can replicate real genitalia. Though there is a sunset of bisexual men who will fuck trans women as a fetish.

[quote]I’ve noticed in the last couple of years

We've seen this thread before. You're not special.

FF.

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Porn in general has gotten trashy, gimmicky and ugly especially American. It's so hard to weed out the crap from good. Way too many ugly looking overly tattooed dogs and meth face twinks now. And they all look the same. I generally stick to 70s to 2000s, amateur/OnlyFans, European or Asian.

Jesus, let people enjoy things.

r16 Yeah, let gays enjoy gay porn on gay porn sites? Tranny porn should be dumped into where they belong - trans or general porn sites - because that crap is not gay.

This is why I prefer amateur porn.

Here is a unintentional funny scene of Ian being introduced to gender identity people. Ian is one of the main gay character in Shameless and has always dated men throughout the show but then it became woke and we were introduced to a FTM that Ian had a serious relationship with. Ian who was a gold star top also bottom for him because she still has her thing down there. No wonder Ian cheated can you imagine always having sex with a dildo and not the real thing for the rest of your life?

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It's just a new homophobic agenda to try and fix gays because straights are repulsed by us and can't seem to fathom we don't need women. Bearded women claiming to be gay men is the most straight privilege bs.

It’s really something

Jason sparks live started this shit, they made that jock pussy site and now the ftmmen site, funny enough there's some model's that never appeared on gay porn with actual men but fucked bearded dykes, yet they still claim they're 100% men. Sure jan.

Like so many other things, it’s due to coerced “trans-inclusive” policies.

I am a gay man and have had sex with an FTM guy, both casually and in the context of a long term relationship. I am not attracted to women, even though I did fumble with a few when I was a teenager. I know I will be hated and FF'd to hell by confessing that having FTM sex was the best sex I had in my life.

Yes I am a top, no I do not suck dick. Why? Because 99,9% of bottom gay men I have met in my life (and there have been hundreds, if not thousands) recoil at the very thought of getting sucked off and this has conditioned me over the years to not even think about it. Do I want to suck dick? Well, just the thought that I will most probably be rejected for even asking is enough to put me off. Never had any bottom asking me to suck them. Ever. Do I like to suck pussy? Sure, it's soft, juicy and somehow much easier to deal with than cocks and balls.

Calling me bisexual is ridiculous, first of all because my sexual orientation is self-defined and not accountable to anyone else. I am gay and always have been, exclusively attracted to masculine looking men. Calling an FTM a bearded lesbian is wrong because not all FTMs are attracted to women, and even those who are consider themselves men, so they are heterosexual men.

I do understand how transgender people make a lot of people very uncomfortable, but the sheer hatred and nasty toxicity expressed openly in this site is quite disturbing, honestly.

R26 your story reminds me of The House of Bernarda Alba by Garcia Lorca. The message there matches with what I see in your story: when you twist and repress your sexuality, it will not be denied and will manifest in bizarre ways that you cannot predict. If you're enjoying sex with females, your either bisexual or your have a misfiring, disfigured gay sexuality and Im sorry life did this to you.

Dear 27, this is 26. I have been out to everybody, including family, since age 12. I am now 55. My sexuality is not repressed in any way. I happen to be a public figure and have extensively talked about my homosexuality in media interviews, clearly and unapologetically. You are projecting.

R27 Exactly. They typed all of that just to say that gay sex is inferior to straight sex. As if we needed that, as that's what the world in general tells us already.

Dear 29, I am 26. I never said gay sex is inferior to straight sex. I only said, that in the context of my personal experience, my cis bottom partners do not want to use their cocks, so cocks have become irrelevant to my sex life. This is my personal truth and no matter how anyone tries to disqualify it as illegitimate, I know it is my own lived experience. Btw, sex between a cis man and an FTM man hardly qualifies as straight sex.

R30 Yes it does you dumbass. It’s straight sex.

Dear 30, straight sex is between a cis man and a cis woman. Calling me names does not change this simple fact. Yours, 26

R30, it qualifies as straight sex in so far as straight refers to heterosexual, where heterosexual sex refers to sex between a male and a female. Given that you are a male and your partner is a female, it is heterosexual, and so straight. You can fight the straight label if you want on the ground gender identit, but unless you want to be intellectually dishonest, you cannot fight the heterosexual part.

You also said that FTM sex ( read as heterosexual sex) was the best sex of your life. By understanding it to be the best, your other sexual experiences would have to be worse and so inferior. All of this is fine. As you say, it's your personal experience, so go ahead with your bad self.

It's me, R33, sorry about the typos.

Straight sex is what we describe the act of sexual Congress between a female and a male. Designating sex as"straight" or "gay" (hetero/homo) is independent of the participants' self identifies. How do you not get this? This is to r26

MTF is becoming more mainstream in straight porn too. One of biggest straight studios, Evil Angel, has ramped up it's production of MTF trans porn in recent years too. It's always been much more prevalent in porn than MTF, but was more of niche product. Brazzers has also featured MTF with males. Top straight porn stars like Sean Michaels, Ramon Nomar and Xander Corvus have worked with them lately. So it's far from only happening in gay porn.

R26 and his gaslighting are why bi guys are to be Avoided at All Costs.

R22 No sane women ever wanted to 'fix' gays. It's derangement. It's the formerly gay magazines and organizations that are driving this. I agree that many women are criminally stupid regarding gender issues but to pin it solely on women is lame.

Evil Angel is owned by a bunch of homophobic assholes, so all the MTF bullshit is in keeping with their brand.

L & G are over.

Evil Angel is owned by one person - John Stagliano. He's never said anything homophobic as far as I know. They have been doing MTF movies for quite a while, but lately its became even more prevalent and they've stopped shooting some of their other straight popular lines.

R36 now that is interesting and relevant information, thanks for sharing. I don't know the names and I don't know how stratified the straight porn industry is, but I can't wait to see them force trans on straight men, I'll bring the popcorn!!

When I was younger (I'm now thirty three) I worked about what the influx of trans and FTM would mean to being gay, if I would be ostracized for wanting NOTHING to do with females or their parts. Now if I'm confident in one thing it is "male sexuality is very powerful and will win out." The "gays" like r26 are an extreme minority (as would be expected since sex with females is.... Not gay) but unfortunately overrepresented by gay media. It's fine, in the trenches we will still be sucking cock while r26 pounds his "boyfriends" vagina and I wish them well!

Evil Angel was accused of buying gay porn studios and intentionally tanking them, and that seems kinda homophobic R41.

R43 That is Brazzers, not Evil Angel. They are owned by Mindgeek, which did buy out Sean Cody and ruined it. They own men.com and some others too I think. Their gay porn is in large boring.

Having sex with an FTM is dangerous because they can still get pregnant

Which company is it that made those videos where the women were abused and slapped around?

The one thing I don't want to see in Gay porn is a vagina!

Mentally ill women who will never be men, they have no business on gay sites and should stick to the trans sites. It's bad enough seeing them on grindr/tinder even worse when they don't say there's a vagina between their legs.

Dunno, but it needs to stop showing up on gay sites.

Y'all get your own space. Live it up over there.

I know some gay ftms and even if they are trans they told me they are not interested in eating pussy or have anything to do with vaginas so why should "cis" gays? The lgbt should learn to respect everyone who is part of it.

There is no such thing as an LGBT. The F2M models in “gay” porn are being shoved by Bisexual and Trans performers.

I didn’t fucking come out of the closet, lose a lot of my friends and family in the process, only to have to see nasty ass hairy pussy in my porn.

That’s bullshit.

R26, calling you bisexual is not ridiculous at all because that is the actual definition of what you are to other people.

But I agree you can claim whatever sexual orientation you want. For example, there are gay people who identify as straight and so on.

There are only two sexes. Sex is determined by genetics in the womb. Like hair color, skin color and other things. You can't change your genetic makeup. Sex has biological characteristics. Women produce eggs, menstruate, get pregnant, etc. Men grow a lot of body hair, produce sperm and more likely to bald. You can alter your physical appearance and behavior to fit whatever gender you identify as and even get surgery to mimic the sex you align closer to. But that's the full extent of it. If you're attracted to a trans women or trans men that often indicates bisexual leanings.

R26,

I am a straight man and have had sex with a MtF woman, both casually and in the context of a long term relationship. I am not attracted to men, even though I did fumble with a few when I was a teenager. I know I will be hated and FF'd to hell by confessing that having MtF sex was the best sex I had in my life.

Do I like to suck cock? Sure, it's thick, juicy and somehow much easier to deal with than pussy.

Calling me gay is ridiculous, first of all because my sexual orientation is self-defined and not accountable to anyone else. I am straight and always have been, exclusively attracted to feminine looking women. Calling an MtF a feminine gay male is wrong because not all MtFs are attracted to men, and even those who are consider themselves women, so they are heterosexual women.

Good one, r55

R28, what is your name? I'm curious to know since you are a public figure.

R45 just look at it as a bonus!

"my sexual orientation is self-defined" - In other words, r26, you're not gay. Try fucking a woman who doesn't hate herself, you might enjoy it even more. No doubt you will continue to "self-define" as gay.

You're repressing your bisexuality, r28. Just admit you're attracted to pussy.

R55 is another self-hating bisexual.

R33 You can WHAT? You mean you can tell yourself it’s not even though it IS straight sex. You can tell yourself lots of things old man, go for it.

R33 Sorry that was for the cos fantasy lord R32

*Cis fantasy lord R32

R26 Is a sad self loathing loser or a troll. Don't forget dl this place is filled with them.

It is... jarring when you're surfing porn, you click on a thumbnail of one of your favorite performers, and BOOM: vagina. Really kills the libido. The surprise aspect makes it worse ("Nobody likes being tricked by an oatmeal cookie.") Trip Richards has ruined more than enough fap sessions.

I may have said this here before: For some of these gay performers, I chalk it up to self-preservation. As insurance against somebody coming out of the woodwork and shrieking, "why don't you work with transmen, transphobe?", they suck it up, grit their teeth, do their obligatory scene that they can point to as evidence of virtue, and get back to making money. They're porn stars and often escorts: They're job is to perform a scene despite not always being thrilled with coworkers, activities, etc.

Repeat offenders I unfollow, block, etc. I know it's a nearly-meaningless impact to their statistics, but on some miniscule level it's a way of providing negative reinforcement. Creators who repeatedly inject FTM porn into my gay porn feed lose my views across the board. I also mark FTM content as "not relevant"; I don't know how the algorithms make sense of that but what else can you do. As someone posted: It's all about the money and rather than be crucified for responding directly, I can still vote with my feet.

R15: "Porn in general has gotten trashy"

Oh, how I long for the days when porn was the HEIGHT of sophistication and élégance! The memories of a Bettie Page exhibit at the White House... Borrowing a blond fall from Ed Wood when I was in a pinch before a state dinner... A well-timed double entendre about the length of Pablo Casals' "bow"...

Hi OP. I have a Q -follower gay friend who’s said something about it, though I arrive at my own conclusion. I think based on our subculture’s history of following all things liberal/Leftist that the “powers that be” are gauging how obedient and how easily gaslit we are to go along with something that’s such an obvious lie. As usual there are those among us who are the cheerleaders for welcoming this new subgroup and saying that they’re men. This is employing the tactic of repeating something over and over again til you memorize, believe it or both. And of course the shaming of those who don’t go along. How will we do? Anyway, the test of breaking the gays is just an experiment on a subgroup of the population. What is the bigger picture? What’s the end goal? I’m not debating what I’ve said with anyone because I don’t believe as a subgroup that we have the power nor will (as a group) to do anything about it. But I wouldn’t mind hearing what others have to say on the topic.

It's hilarious that so many people on this site are delusional enough to think they can define, control or police other people's sexuality.

R69 troll. The counter argument of "but can't we define our own sexuality?" Is too easy to make, he's got to be a troll.

So, you define your sexuality by what others say about it? LOL

R69 No one's doing that dipshit, we're just calling out bullshit when we see it. Including yours.

R71 A man that fucks pussy is no gay man, fucking women when confused about your sexuality is one thing but enjoying sex with women makes you bi at most.

GenZ viewers have increased consumption and demand of trans porn. I bet it’s their fault.

Woke points and Gen Z loves trans everything.

The porn industry is at absolute saturation point. We the public have seen it all before, we are jaded. For this reason some will watch trans porn. It's all money driven. If there is a market this content will continue. Keep in mind that the porn industry doesn't care about the gay community, or women, or trans people. They are about money and money alone. If these studios could legally market snuff films, paedophila and bestiality, most of them would sell that material in a heartbeat.

I'd rather watch straight porn that FTM porn. Every transgender "man" I've ever seen looks like a little girl-it's creepy!

R74 could be, the gen zero who want to be queer so bad but are disgusted by gay sex so they watch mutilated women get fucked to feel "queer".

I refuse to believe that anybody is watching it at all besides the fetishists who were always predisposed, and further, I bet this group is pretty small but nearly 100% are engaging with the content.

KINDLY REMOVE EM FROM RENTBOY SITES.....GOOD GOD,, WE FORCED TO GLANCE FOR A SECOND AT THAT MESS TWEEN THEIR LEGS.....UGH

R79 I agree with you. I believe FTM porn sites are operating in the red. I can’t imagine how many feishists actually exist, though they do exist (whether we like it or not). I’ve met at least one,. Do I know their numbers? No. How many are there? I can’t imagine it’s too many. Is it enough to justify and sustain the current market for FTM porn, I don’t believe so. Especially if we’re operating under the assumption that this is all market (capitalism) driven. If the case is that it’s for real, which I seriously doubt, then we’re in serious trouble. I know that many on here have stronger opinions about this than I do. I’m disgusted by the rise of FTM porn but I’m also older and have been married for twenty years. I can’t really gauge its influence on Millennials and Gen Z. In the 90s/early 2000s, I had to experience the trend of a number of gays saying they were bisexual. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has to deal with how “gay” FTMs has actually affected them. To determine if it’s just an online issue or if it’s for real - where gay men really are having deal with this problem in their midst.

[quote]Every transgender "man" I've ever seen looks like a little girl

Really?

I'm 51 years old, and this thread confuses the fuck out of me.

IT incredible how much testosterone can change the body. But you can still tell within the face and hips unless they had surgery

R27 Sorry dude, public figure or not, you have some issues. You are probably a sort of "political gay"-though it is rare. But it was maybe some trauma or habit to do it with the guys from an early age or problem with women that made you turn to men. But you are a repressed hetero. You want pussy, but you need it to be hidden behind the beard. You said you were 55 so it is probably hard for you to change your picture of yourself.

You would have had an easier life if you solved the issues and embraced heterosexuality and it seems rather strange, cause it is mainly repressed gay men that you meet, but really anything exists on this world.

Sorry R27, the post at R85 was meant for R26/R28.

And funny how R26 somehow didn’t suck cocks cause nobody asked him too. He obviously wasn’t attaracted. And when a FtM came with the pussy he had time of his life, cause he has found his true self. I don’t think he is bisexual ether, he would have been straight if he wasn’t thought to have sex with men as a young boy.

R26 Would you mind me asking are you from a minority where groups of boys hanging together is widespread. Or was there some trauma that confused your sexuality. Of course, only if you want to. I wouldn’t like to be pushy or nosy. But you have an interesting sexuality.

I DONT KNOW BUT IT SHO IS NASTY

Yuck. At first I would watch out of curiosity, but now I don’t wast my time. I would rather watch porn with MTF trannies or lesbians at this point.

Most FTM porn is disturbing just for the fact that they treat their vaginas like they Truly hate them!

Dear 87, I am 26. I don't understand how anyone could call me bisexual since the 99% of my sexual and romantic relationships have been with men. I have had sex with 2 FTMs and a relationship with another. It was the best sex of my life but it never felt as if I was having sex with a woman. FTMs are extremely convincing in their male presentation, at least the ones I was with. There is no way one could clock my partners as transgender except if one saw them naked. In my mind, they were men with vaginas, in much the same way as the minuscule minority of cis gay men who opt to get a so called mangina. Yes, they do exist, and I would happily have sex with one of them, though it hasn't happened.

As for my ethnic background: I am European, white. I do understand that in the USA a lot of southern European countries do not count as white, but this is my ethnic identity and for all intents and purposes I am considered white in Europe.

Perhaps you are correct in your assumption that I grew up in a traditional environment where men and women were segregated, especially in schools and athletic activities. I am not Muslim though, in case you might think that.

As for trauma about my sexuality - of course I suffer from many traumatic experiences as a gay man. Bullying in school, systemic homophobia, rejection from parents, job discrimination etc. But haven't almost all gay men suffered similar experiences? I don't think my own trauma is much different than that of other gay men.

Dear 85. I am 26. Again, I have only had sex and relationships with men in my life, with a few of them being FTMs. How you deduce from that statement that I am a repressed heterosexual? I do not find women sexually attractive, have never attempted to be with a woman and I feel zero regret about that.

Replies 91 and 92 are by an FTM.

It does read like fan fiction and wish fulfillment fiction.

This is what gives it away:

"It was the best sex of my life but it never felt as if I was having sex with a woman"

"FTMs are extremely convincing in their male presentation"

R91 = Bi scum

If FTMs were fundamentally indistinguishable from males, then there is no discernible reason why sex with the ones you've slept with would be better. FTMs are individuals, meaning some will be bad lays and others will be good. This claim alone outs you as a fantasist and a liar.

Your claim that FTMs "are extremely convincing in their male presentation" is ridiculous for the same reason. Yes, some FTMs are superficially very convincing as males, until the clothes come off. Most FTMs, however, are not convincing at all.

Stop trying to gaslight gay men. Most of us have been through hell in our lives due to a homophobic society. We don't want your gaslighting shit! FUCK OFF!

There are men who are attracted to FTMs. Be happy with them and LEAVE US ALONE.

Dear 97. When I say FTMs pass as men I mean in the street, not in bed. Also, I am a gay man and no amount of name calling will change that. Actually, this thread is the first time in my life someone has disputed my sexual identity.

As for gaslighting you or anyone else: this is a thread concerning the subject of gay men into FTMs in porn and otherwise. I have every right to comment here. As contributing to your oppression, I don't see how I am doing this. If my truth disturbs you, then maybe you should look inwards to find out why.

Every sentence you write says female. You are an FTM. Gay men don't write, think or talk like you. Take your role play to Tumblr.

r98/26 is so disgusting and homophobic, the hell with that HETERO freak.

I feel so violated by liars and role players appropriating gay male identity on boards like this. I am so angry right now. These bored middle class girls infuriate me. FUCK OFF!

So much for inclusivity, acceptance and tolerance.

Who do i find more appealing?

A MTF female but with a cock?

A FTM but with a vagina?

I am always repulsed by MTF from a sexual attraction perspective.

I am less so by the FTM.

I suppose it's to do with how masculine the person comes across.

Some FTM look quite attractive and masculine except for the vag.

I wouldn't go either, but if it's a Sophie's Choice and forced, it'd be the MTF with a good amount of body hair and masculine features.

Definitely not a Chaz Bono types, though.

I suppose it's the femininity of the MTF that really turns me off. they could have a 10 inch dick and I'd still run for the hills.

Why did the gay community become so obsessed with inclusion? You’re either gay or you aren’t. Why do we have this compulsive need to keep adding more types of people (who aren’t even gay) to the community? And we even include “Allies?” And who else does this? Can you imagine if one day the black community suddenly said “anyone who supports BLM is now considered black.”

I can't answer the title question but I know one thing is certain, transmen are the reason you have whole science journals now, employing terms like "pregnant people" and "menstruators," to refer to females, also. This is to be "inclusive" for, what are essentially, mentally ill females who don't acknowledge reality (disclaimer: not all transmen are like this. See: Buck Angel). So, this nonsense is bleeding over into the erasure of women, as well (pun intended). And yes, it's irritating.

I read a lot of science journals and I can't help but wince whenever I come across the term "pregnant people." It actually fucks up my concentration from the sheer aggravation of it all. We're not "menstruators." That's not even a fucking word and has the red squiggly lines under it ,that it damn-well deserves, to prove it.

[quote]I wouldn't go either, but if it's a Sophie's Choice and forced, [bold]it'd be the MTF[/bold] with a good amount of body hair and masculine features.

So, like this?

R106 Thanks for making me vomit.

To me, it's always hilarious when conservatives think they can apply their conservative values on porn. Porn must be THIS way and not any other way, or else it's disgusting and depraved! No, don't enjoy the porn you like, obsess about the porn you don't like. Disgust yourself by keep finding and watching stuff you don't like. Hate, hate, hate, hate, ... hate some more!

"Oh, I'm not looking for this filth, this filth is being pushed down my throat without a warning! Constantly being triggered without a warning! Why did they have to ruin good traditional porn? WHY??????"

That's the conservative spirit!

Yeah. Ok. So, as an experiment, r108, I just went to xvideos.com and clicked on the gay side to see what shows up under the default search. Approximately the 4th or 5th video down was a bisexual threesome video (two naked women in the thumbnail).

There was also one with, and I quote, an "old amputee grandpa..." bottoming.

I hate how I have to test and research every damn thing. It's like a curse.

Goodnight, all.

When I went to the Horse and Mare party in Berlin there was one FTM tranny and a line to fuck her/him/it.

I find it hot when a hairy chested chipmunk voiced dude appearing guy has a pussy to fuck.

To the woman who wrote reply 102:

You don't get to police gay male anger at people disrespecting our identities and our boundaries.

If your first reaction is to whine about inclusion when a woman comes on her lying about being a gay man who had "the best sex of their life" with FTMs, you are neither a friend nor an ally. You are an entitled, self serving asshole who doesn't respect gay men.

How did we get to this hellish place in gay sexuality where we have to have this vagina shit shoved onto us? It's so fucking weird. I missed the 90's and 2000's when gays could gay in peace.

Did someone say Lena Dunham used some gay men fucking women as a storyline in her "Girls" show?

R103 I, as a 6 on Kinsey scale, would take a guy in the frock over the bearded lady any day.

Didn’t mean to offend anyone though. I respect everyone.

To 111: please seek professional help.

R115 go peddle your vagina loving bullshit somewhere else.

Is this what you have to do in order to qualify for real gay porn?

Dear Karen at r109, have you tried to speak to a manager at xvideos? Maybe that will solve things.

And thank you for proving my point at r108.

OMG, you guys, I was, like, searching for free online porn, and, like, I totally was bombarded by stuff I didn't like. It's, like, I was being raped! Like when some rando touches you in a gay bar, it's like totally disgusting! Where can decent gay men, like me, can get their free stuff without having to be exposed to the nasty shit we don't like? Why aren't decent guys like me not treated like absolute royalty when we search for our latest free porn???? Doesn't the internet know who I fucking am???? Internet, fix yourself!

Another woman, complete with the requisite "like" flood.

OMG, r120 totally figured it out. He's, like, so clever and smart! Did he get fucked by Sherlock Holmes' ghost or something? So smart, that guy.

I bet it bothers you it's really obvious from just your words.

r118 is one the stupid fucks defending trans vaginal virus infecting gay porn. Listen, dumb fuck or dumb bitch, GAY MEN DON'T WANT PUSSY IN THEIR FUCKING GAY PORN. GAY PORN IS INFESTED WITH THIS SHIT LIKE ROACHES OR FUCKING COVID. GAY MEN SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT THIS DAMN FIGHT IN 2022.

r119, are you even fucking gay?

No that's not a gay man, definitely another woman.

Well she can take her stank pussy right off this site! Bitch

Clearly there is a market for this or they would stop making it.

Probably the same people who get off on seeing two "straight college jocks" together and/or bi porn, which there is a lot of too-- if I had to play Freud, it's the idea that you could have sex with men and still be "straight."

Like all those NIFTY archive stories that end with "I still dig pussy, but sometimes when we strike out, Jake and I have a way to make sure the night is not a total waste."

As long as it's clearly marked as being FTM porn it's not an issue, and it's not something I care about or waste time thinking about. When it gets labelled gay porn and plays out without my consent or knowledge I find that not only annoying but genuinely offensive. It's disrespectful to gay men.

Was the term FTM not from the same era as Transsexuals/transvestites?

That makes it transmen in today's terms.

They're not male.

It should be made ILLEGAL for people to get sex changes! I wish this trans shit would all go away and never come back! So disgusting!

r112 You can also thank the pro-trans cult gays ("trans women = women; trans men = men") happily embracing & flooding gay spaces with the trans/lgbtq+ propaganda

Nothing needs to be made illegal. The FTM trans thing is a trend and a social contagion and this present wave is already peaking. In ten years time we'll remember it the same way we talk about outbreaks of bulimia and cutting in teen girl environments, which come in regular waves and dissipate.

The thing I noticed about FTM and nonbinary is they really like anime characters, yaoi and Kpop. The ones I know seem like they just want to be a cute, androgynous boy admired by both sexes. Then there's the other ones who want to look like tough greaser punks with pretty face and hair like The Outsiders or Jimmy Dean. As a dude, while I agree men have it easier in some ways and more freedom in our male-dominated society. I don't get the fetishistic aspects. Men are burdened with being the providers and protectors. The first to get called when a war happens. More likely to be jailed and murdered. FTM's idea of masculinity are from movies and romance novels.

A lot of the teen girls just want to opt out of femininity, and some actually really want to be sexless. There's a whole subset now who choose to get even their nipples removed. It's self mutilation and self abuse and comes from the same place as bulimia.

R134 Yes and it reflects how our society devalues femininity (traits like cooperation and patience) in favor of competition snd aggression. It's ridiculous how in the 21st century, people can't just be who they are. They have to have a million different genders to explain personality. It's backwards.

R132 totally on the money. The TRAs are nuts but I'm not willing to let the government start banning it since we know that road leads to everyone eventually against the wall. As long as the FACTS (like Lia Thomas going from man #400 to woman #1) are allowed to reach the people, I'm confident that lunacy will be rejected.

As to the FTMs, they're tried many times to stamp out gay male sexuality, many different ways. They will fall here as they have always done, but once again innocent gay boys will be the psychological and likely physical victims. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

FTMs aren't successful because gay men like straight men are less likely to be compliant with being erased and less likely to care about feelings. Men are blunt and like to playfully tease and mock. Women unfortunately are more in tune to pleasing others and being more tolerant and politically correct. Not saying what they mean. That's why it's easier for MTFs to be present in female spaces. Women are human beings and should be allowed to be blunt and assert themselves. I do think it's misogynistic that biological women have little say in what dictates womanhood now.

Many tawps are turned on by bawttoms with a tiny cawklet. I'm 60, chubby, fem, balding and about two inches, hard. It ain't a cock, it's basically a fucking dicklet. My tawps loke the fact that I don't really get hard, and my cocklet remains puny and limp and inferior. It makes me feel like a real used faggot, and the tawp feels mascular and fantastic.

[quote] is one the stupid fucks defending trans vaginal virus infecting gay porn. Listen, dumb fuck or dumb bitch, GAY MEN DON'T WANT PUSSY IN THEIR FUCKING GAY PORN. GAY PORN IS INFESTED WITH THIS SHIT LIKE ROACHES OR FUCKING COVID. GAY MEN SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT THIS DAMN FIGHT IN 2022.

Folks, that's what you get when you are out of meds: An unhinged Anti-Trans troll.

Always have enough meds at home, guys. It prevents you from making an ass of yourself.

I want mascular MEN

R91, just curious why don't you like bottoming?

[quote] GAY MEN SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT THIS DAMN FIGHT IN 2022.

Jesus Christ. There's an actual war going on in Russia invading Ukraine and you freak out because some tranny porn found its way in your search results? Grow the fuck up.

Many FTMs are not convincing as men because they get so easily offended, often meek and needy. Men are sometimes assholes to each other as a sign of affection. When guys meet a new guy, they like to test him and tease to see how he will react as part of a group initiation. Men are loyal to each other but have no patience of neediness and clinginess which is something we associate with women. FTMs can be overly politically correct, moody and killjoys. They think just by taking hormones and dressing like a boy, it can convince other men they are one of them. It sadly, does not work that way. That's why most FTMs hang out with women often "nonbinary", lesbians or maybe femme gays (also "nonbinary".)

I find tomboyish girls are secure in their womanhood since they are assertive and strong-willed and they have no need to transition.

are all transes autisms?

I think actual transsexuality is rare and it does exist. Real transsexuals identify as their gender as toddlers into adulthood, make attempts at passing and get surgery. They tend to blend in much better. A lot of modern trans and nonbinary folks are the result of autism, mental illness and trauma given most don't identify until much later often in their adolescence and early adulthood and they make being trans or nb, a huge part of their identity. There needs to be a differentation between actual transsexuality (actual dysphoria and reassignment surgery) and the trend of gender identity crisis. Teenagers and college kids in general think in black-and-white and are impressionable especially if they have no role models or guidance (a lot of American kids do not). A new generation was raised on social media.

When I went through my anime phase, there was one anime reviewer I watched on Youtube in the 2000s called JesuOtaku, she was a smart funny girl. Very girly and all. Then all of a sudden, she transitioned into a guy. I was shocked because JesuOtaku showed no masculine traits whatsoever. But she does seem to be heavily on the spectrum. Honestly, reminds me of Ellen Page who also seems like a woman with Aspergers. I also knew a soft butch lesbian who was a nerd, part of the comic fandom on Tumblr and also seemed autistic and she transitioned to be a man too.

Autism people tend to be gender non-conforming. A lot of traits of femininity like expressiveness, nurturing speaking tone and social personality is lost on autistic girls. Plus anime and video game fandoms are associated as male domains and male nerds are misogynistic as hell. So I can see why nerdy autistic girls would become trans men to fit in.

r144

R146 plz no spread of sexism myths thanks

As a teenager I had a friend, a girl who said she was feeling like a man and was talking how she would like to change sex. It was in times when it still wasn't happening a lot. She was a hard core lesbian and from a very homophobic family. She was sort of raised as a substitute boy by her dad cause she was the youngest of three girls. But when she has grown up they expected her to switch in the traditional feminine role overnight. And they were giving her a really hard time when she came out to them.

But in time and now in her 30s she accepted herself and she is a very butch lesbian.I think she might be even as DL says gold star because she never had any interest in boys, except as friends.

R148 I like her but c'mon she's hot and that's a large reason why she has an audience even though she's also smart and has vast gaming experience. Gamers whined about Olivia Munn but who was supporting her again? Nerds love to gatekeep but hot girls are accepted by everyone and get the money. Most gamer chicks and autistic nerdy girls do not look anything like Munn or Mac who while also attractive are confident and smart.

So, I was surprised to hear about FtM who are into men, because I always thought it was very butch lesbians like the friend I mentioned.

I am really puzzled by this type of FtM. A woman going to all the trouble of transitioning to be... with guys.

R151 Is it similar to agp transgenders?

R151 Seriously. I don't get it either. Who wants to be a gay man? Many gay men don't even want to be gay sometimes. Same deal with bi men who if open are automatically seen as gay. We suffer far more from far more homophobia, violence and disgust than lesbians do. Not saying being a lesbian is easy but it's far more tolerated. Being a tomboy or butch is not threatening. People would still prefer to have a butch diesel dyke around over a masculine gay man.

Women are obsessed with male attention and finally found a way to shoehorn themselves into gay life.

r151 r152

Dear 141, I am 91. How can one answer such a question? One likes what one likes. I could enumerate reason after reason, but ultimately it's all subjective and I don't see how that would help anyone to understand...what exactly?

R156 If you haven’t noticed we are still thinking that you are latent straight.

R157, I am R156 , originally R26. All I know is that this thread has confirmed many of my worst suspicions and fears about the gay so-called community. No straight person has ever treated my with such hatred and venom as almost every single responder here. And for what? For having enjoyed sex with a couple of FTMs. Next time someone asks me why I avoid any gay social spaces, I will simply link them to this thread.

Don’t be so touchy. Nobody is hating you. People are just trying to figure you out. I am intrigued, not hateful.

R159 I suggest you read again the responses which dispute my gender (male), my sexuality (gay) - both delegitimizing the very essence of my being, both deeply offensive and hurtful. I have never faced such level of personal attacks from a heterosexual person. If you think I am being touchy, then you are into victim blaming.

Btw, I am an extremely strong and self-confident personality and couldn't give a rat's arse what some anonymous people say about me on the internet. At the same time, I must take into account, for reasons of self-protection, that this kind of psychopathic venom is extremely prevalent in the gay so-called community. I can only shudder about what would happen if I was actually in the same room with some of the toxic people who are attacking me here.

Some FTMs in porn are hot as fuck but then you see their clits

[Quote] both delegitimizing the very essence of my being,

Mary!!

162 So you think it's OK to dispute somebody's gender and sexuality? Or should one brush it off? Perhaps one should, but few are as strong, mature and self-confident as I am. Can you imagine what the consequences of this bullying would be if I happened to be a sensitive teenager or some kind of isolated, insecure gay man? Grow up pls and understand what kind of harmful behaviour you are enabling with your flippancy.

R160 no one is delegitimizing you. You identify as gay. Fine.

However, you can't force your definition of sexual orientation onto other people. You see yourself as gay. Others see you as bisexual.

People are only sharing their thoughts with you because this is not real life. Maybe that is what is confusing you. In real life, people would think what they want but probably not share it with you. You can't control how others think.

R163, Are you really a public figure or just joking? Are you allowed to say who you are? Just curious to know. Thanks.

DL is full of trolls. That is why Datalounge is in no way an actual representation of the LGBT or even the Gay Community. On an anonymous message board like this one, you can claim to be the most hardcore Liberal but can't get over how Hillary handled her emails.

It's fairly easy to spot the trolls, because their rhetoric comes right out of the Right Wing Republican handbook. All about superior vs. inferior bullshit and traditional values destroyed by extremist progressives out to destroy the precious, outdated status quo.

Really R163 you are overreacting here. I don’t think other posters meant to be hurtful, they were just a bit incredulous. We have all been called fraus and trolls (every day) and cunts, yet there is no reason to be accuse whole gay community for it.

You rightfully provoked suspicion here, because you said that you were gay and had the best sex in your life with a biological woman (I respect that the person might feel trapped in the wrong body, but the body is still female).

Gay men might have had their moments with women, but we will all agree that sex with men is the only complete and really satisfying sexual experience for a gay man. With women, it can happen, particularly when you are young, exploring, unwilling to accept yourself, I did it too. Physiologically the body reacts, but something is missing and very much so. That is why a man is gay.

And being bisexual is not something to be ashamed of. It is not a slur. Ok, I said latent straight, not to offend you, but best sexual experience including vagina, not sucking dick, strictly topping. Even the most proud DL tops admit to have tried bottoming, sooner or later you would be curious, no matter the issues and you are not young, you have along experience.

Quite frankly, "this board is racist / homophobic / misogynistic / etc." is an attempt to establish a narrative that favors the trolls making them the rulers and the "majority" opinon of the message board. Just like all the fake sock puppet w&ws.

My god, someone comes on here with a story containing more holes than a block of vSwiss Cheese, and uses more female linguistic markers than a pack of mall rats jabbering about BTS and we are expected to just shut up and "legitimise" this person's stated identity as a "gay man" who "had the best sex of my life" with either two or three (depends on the post) transmen? NO! FUCK OFF!

I think R26 is lying to try to make a point about trans.., The whole trans thing got really off the ground because of Jennifer Pritzker and Martine Rothblatt. Both multi- billionaires both AGPs. Rothblatt is also a humanist (not sure what that entails) and both are funding a lot of organizations. Pritzker has a medical company and probably stands to make even more money when so many are having to take hormones to maintain their trans shit. Pritzker is married to a woman and so is Rothblatt

^^^Pritzker and Rothblatt are also rebublicans.

The trans industrial complex is funded and pushed by powerful AGP males, and teenage girls, who are desperate to escape patriarchy and the pressures of femininity, are the meat in the industrial grinder. They get their breasts removed and are dependent on Big Pharma's pills for the rest of their lives.

Anti Trans = Q-Anon

They see conspiracies everywhere.

R165 Yes I am indeed a public figure but I am not that stupid to actually say who I am in this cesspool full of very dangerous people

Trans in a con and scam. I don't hate or dislike trans people. I feel sorry for them, especially the teenage girls,. who have been scammed and lied to by malignant adults.

[Quote] Yes I am indeed a public figure but I am not that stupid to actually say who I am in this cesspool full of very dangerous people

Sure, Vlad, sure

[Quote] Trans in a con and scam. I don't hate or dislike trans people.

Sure, Vlad, sure

Now I am not only a woman and/or bisexual, I am also Russian. Hilarious, but only because this strictly online. Again, I am a gay man, white, European. Why is this so hard to believe? It's not like I am claiming to be anything extraordinary.

You think that people can change their sex? You think that trans procedures have high levels of positive outcomes and patient satisfaction? You think that sex is a social or psychological construct and not a meaningful, objective biological category?

Trans is a con. Trans is a scam.

Trans PEOPLE are victims of this scam and they have my support and my respect.

Gay Conversion therapy is the even bigger scam, but that doesn't seem to bother the Anti-Trans trolls very much. They keep starting threads about Trans issues while staying clear of the Right Wing Conservative moneymaker. That shows you how much these trolls care about Gays.

R139) and R142) - stop catfishing as gay men and get your damn pussies off this board. Fuck you two trans-apologists.

Whataboutery.

R151 LOL yeah I don't get that either. I am female. any female can get laid anytime she wants. Most women have it a lot easier than a lot of men when it comes to just getting laid.

[quote] [R139]) and [R142]) - stop catfishing as gay men and get your damn pussies off this board. Fuck you two trans-apologists.

Poor dear, still no meds?

[quote] Whataboutery.

Perfect answer why you don't care about Gays.

I'm not conservative. I don't know anyone who has done conversion therapy. I'm not exposed to it. I also think that there is a way back from it. Trans, less so.

[Quote] Again, I am a gay man, white, European.

Sure, Vlad, sure

[quote] I'm not conservative. I don't know anyone who has done conversion therapy. I'm not exposed to it. I also think that there is a way back from it. Trans, less so.

In what way are you exposed to Trans that you consider it a bigger issue and threat than gay conversion therapy? Why, as a gay man, do you care more about Trans than whatever Right Wing Republicans do to harm the Gay Community?

The Trans are not the ones pushing anti-gay legislation. Don't Say Gay is about making young teenage gays' lives miserable. But, apparently, the Trans still remain enemy number one? Sure Jan.

Trans are not the problem. Right Wing Republicans and their supporters are the problem. For decades, the Right Wing Republicans made it their goal to keep us Gays down and deny us basic human rights. Don't Say Gay is a direct threat to the Gay Community. Again, that threat doesn't come from the Trans. It comes from the Right Wing Conservatives.

I'm not in America. I don't know what Don't Say Gay is. I've never been pressured to do conversion therapy,. I don't know anyone who has done it.

I have been hassled by trans activists who insist I have to accept women as men, and who say that vaginas can be a male organ.

r189, where do you live that Conservatives are no threat to your personal gay life?

The straight bros want a buddy who has a pussy.

Mutilate yourself to own your parents. Mutilate yourself to own the conservatives.

I'm in Australia and the conservatives are no threat to gay people at all.

r188, fuck that shit, telling me that I'm supposed to be ok with a male vagina is just as bed if not worse as anything right wing, you're batshit if you think otherwise.

So I get some of the comments here, but... Being gay isn't just about liking dicks. If it was, I would be sexually attracted to t-girls. But I find seeing them on porno ads to be very disgusting. Like it's an immediate boner killer. I'm not really into the ftms, but I don't get the same gag reaction when I see them. I don't even mind seeing ads of naked women on the sides of my gay porn that much. But yeah, if someone calls me a bigot because I don't want to eat a hairy testosterone-pumped pussy, I'll gladly take it and move on with my life haha. I think some gay guys might like ftms because it's their ultimate fantasy? It's a man that they can biologically reproduce with, and as men that is an instinctual desire? Maybe, I guess?

Why the fuck do women and FTMs come on here pretending to be gay men, telling gaslighting bullshit stories about gay men having "the best sex of their lives" with FTMs? What is it about the women who do this? When we see this type in public they're almost always privileged, spoiled middle class white girls. They are atomised and bored, and consume other people's identities like they are trying on a costume they like. They are cultural vampires and parasites.

[quote]It's a man that they can biologically reproduce with, and as men that is an instinctual desire?

Yep. I assume it's every man's instinctual desire to get those inevitable child support check garnishments.

I suggest you read again the responses which dispute [bold]my gender[/bold] (male), my sexuality (gay)

r160 Hilarious. Gender? What's your sex? Male/Female thing is considered "sex"

r196 I agree with you but there are also many gay men in the community who are "telling gaslighting bullshit stories" and pushing these "parasites".

The FTM troll haunting this thread has never explicitly denied being born female when people challenge them on their identity. They just hunker down on insisting they are a "gay man", amid a flurry of female linguistic markers and prattling about their feelings. Dead giveaway.

R198 well I guess if her gender is male she is a female.

Re Reply 199:

I don't actually know ANY gay men who buy into gender shit. And when people know they can trust you, they tell the truth; that it's absolute bullshit. Most people just hold their tongues in public for obvious reasons.

It may be different for the younger ones., I don't know.

WR195 Is a woman, anyway str8 women aren't pressured to be with ftm so why is it gay men must accept them as "gay men". Homophobia, that's why.

[quote]str8 women aren't pressured to be with ftm

Most FTM are actually lesbians who "identify" as straight men. So, absolutely, straight women have to put up with it.

r204 Those creatures plague the lesbian spaces or at least queer or lgbtq+, not straight women's.

All I know is this is yet another form of homophobia gay men have to overcome, the creepy str8, bi men fetishists that like ftm are claiming us narrow-minded lmao. Fuck off homophobes.

r205. It's mainly the MTF transwomen (read: AGP) invading lesbian spaces. Because, you see, they "identify" as women, but are also sexually attracted to women. So, obviously they're "lesbians" and lesbians should just learn to appreciate their "lady dicks" and stop being transphobic. /s

What is "gender"? The best you could say, is it's a set of subjective personality traits. The worst you could say is it's a bunch of sexist stereotypes. And we are expected to replace sex, an objective and meaningful material category, with gender? We are supposed to put up with this SHIT, this invasion, this invalidation by a bunch of demanding, appropriative bullies, without a fight? NO. Gay men will NOT put up with this shit. We've literally fought to survive all our lives. A bunch of het women won't take our identities and render them meaningless, just because they feel entitled to our identities. FUCK OFF!

r208, are you being propositioned by a lot of FTMs on gay dating sites or something? Your level of anger seems like it might go beyond just porn site video recommendation algorithms. Have you been getting sexually harassed or something, in good ole' down under?

Serious question. I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

[quote] I'm in Australia and the conservatives are no threat to gay people at all.

Sure, Jan. That's from 2017.

[quote] PAULINE Hanson has claimed about 11 per cent of Australian children are now from LGBTIQ families while warning that gay marriage will ‘open up a can of worms’ that could include polygamy and underage marriages.

[quote] The One Nation leader outlined half a dozen reasons she voted no to same-sex marriage in a fiery speech to Parliament as the push to pass the legislation by Christmas continues.

[quote] [R188], fuck that shit, telling me that I'm supposed to be ok with a male vagina is just as [bold] bed [/bold] if not worse as anything right wing, you're batshit if you think otherwise.

Go to bad, idiot.

[quote] [R188]], fuck that shit, telling me that I'm supposed to be ok with a male vagina is just as bed if not worse as anything right wing, you're batshit if you think otherwise.

Nobody forces you to fuck Trans or watch trans porn, just like nobody forces you to get gay married. But you don't care about freedom of choice, do you? Which clearly shows that you are a right wing asshole who doesn't care about gay rights. Proving the point that none of these anti-trans comments come from actual gay men. They come from incel losers who suck the sweaty balls of right wing Q-Anon crazy.

Go eat your genderbread man, asshole. No calories - it's all in your mind.

[quote] it's all in your mind.

Posts the incel who does his research at Q-Anon Academy. These idiots lack the basic amount of self awareness. Hilarious. And sad.

Yes people DO force us to watch FTM porn by habitually mislabeling it as gay porn. Can you not read? Maybe that explains why you're unaware of the large numbers of people regularly posting on this site about how they're being hassled by women on gay dating apps.

Tard, incel literally means str8 men that can't get laid with women. This is a gay forum, y'ou know for gay men not you trannies.

R211, tell your mama to go to bed and stop sucking dick, you juvenile dumbass fag. Check my spelling now BITCH.

[quote] Yes people DO force us to watch FTM porn by habitually mislabeling it as gay porn.

Fucking drama queen. Nobody is forcing you to watch or keep watching.

[quote] Tard, incel literally means str8 men that can't get laid with women.

Which you are, since you don't care about gays or gay issues. You are just obsessed with trans.

[quote] [R211], tell your mama to go to bed and stop sucking dick, you juvenile dumbass fag. Check my spelling now BITCH.

Now, now. Village idiot getting salty, because he outed himself as a stupid village idiot incel.

No one cares if you enjoy having sex with women r158, just don't lie and pretend you're gay when you're obviously not.

That person is playing semantic games. They're an FTM but insist they are a gay man.

R169 Thank you for calling this out early. R26 doesn’t sound like a man, much less a gay man. It just keeps complaining about gay men denying it it’s identity over and over. And then other people are humoring it. Stop! Let it move on, it thrives on pity and attention. More likely than not it’s just one of those pro-trans people making up a story. That’s what they do. For God’s sake people, you accuse people of being Russians for disagreeing with you but you this one’s comments at face value!?

That poster is one of those girls or women who comes from the fan fiction world, and lives in a world of fantasy. The interest in appropriating gay male identity is a strong feature of that scene, sometimes it spills over into the real world and they go FTM. The language and mentality in their posts, though, is entirely female. I doubt if this person even knows any gay men well. Their idea of what we are like comes from stories.

R222 Please continue speculating about my identity, it's extremely funny how many paranoid scenarios you people concoct about me. I can't even imagine the look on your faces if you actually could see me - no matter how you strain with ever-more-elaborate stories about me, I am a gay man, actually a quite mediocre, average guy. You wouldn't even look at me twice in a gay bar.

Why do you talk exactly like a woman, and nothing like a man? Yes or no - were you born female?

If you are a girl R223, not even once.

R224 I was born a man and remain a man. Why do I talk like a woman? What kind of question is that? How do you differentiate how a woman talks from how a man talks? I am not even talking, I am writing, so you cannot even hear the tone of my voice, which is not effeminate at all. I am very masculine. Most people who don't know me take me for straight. This is hilarious actually and it's never happened to me before. I am only responding in order to understand how the hell you have reached the conclusion that I must be a woman. It's fascinating to watch how paranoia and psychosis work.

It's fascinating to watch a serial liar and fantasist spin a web of bullshit. Fuck off, sis. Go play with your minge.

R225 Considering the amount of delusional psychotics out there, as evidenced in this thread, it is a blessing that nobody would even look at me. This thread has only affected me negatively when I think I might bump into mental cases such as the ones here. It's terrifying to think that so many seriously mentally ill people are out there.

[quote]I am very masculine. Most people who don't know me take me for straight.

Of course. 😏

R229 Even if I was effeminate, so what? Do you hate effeminate men as well? Please explain.

It's the mark of a narcissist that you think the objective of people like me is to "affect you negatively". This isn't about you, asshole! This is about defending gay men from women like you. FUCK OFF.

This thread needs to be archived and studied as a prime example of how pathological and toxic the so-called gay community is.

Or as an example of an appropriative white middle class girl/woman demanding access to someone else's identity and then getting abusive when that access is denied to them.

T out for an afternoon stroll in this thread. We don't want your pussy.

R231 Except it is about me since you dispute my identity. I don't really care what you believe about me. I am only fascinated by the paranoid psychosis and deranged scenario about gay men threatened by imaginary women. It is beyond anything I could imagine.

Misogyny, transphobia, siege mentality, paranoia, psychotic delusions, projections. So much mental illness. Just wow.

You do care what we think because you come back for more and more, endlessly seeking "VaLiDaTiOn".

First word you choose is misogyny. Again, centering yourself as a woman.

R237 No. You are again projecting. I am only interested to see how deep and prevalent mental illness is in this community. Why would I want validation from obviously deranged people? Seriously, get a grip

Go read your anime you fucking parasite.

R238 That's what's so hilarious, the misogyny is not something I perceive aimed at me, since I am a man, it's misogyny aimed at an imaginary woman which some of you have constructed as some kind of boogey man. I cannot even imagine the hatred towards actual women.

R240 I hate anime, I much prefer non fiction books, particularly science and history

R230 I’m R221 You gave yourself away with all your responses and martyring yourself as victim of “mean gays”. Also, many of us are closer to your age, therefore we’ve developed a healthy skepticism about what we read online. Also, some of us are experienced with chronic liars we’ve met in the gay world, before and after the internet. A 55 year old man, especially one that’s gay, would understand this. You’ve all but confirmed my skepticism. You’re more likely just another liar on the internet. Thank you for the entertainment.

Gay porn superstar Sharok: gay no more!

243 So you think the responses here are rational, balanced and healthy? LOL / *scary*

r245

r243

R245 Absolutely! As gays we’re facing erasure. We’re being told that a mutilated, hairy female qualifies as a gay man. And it’s perfectly KInsey 6 to have sex with her. Straight males become violent when faced with MTF trickery, yet you’re saying that typically restrained gay behavior of simply making harsh comments is “just too much”. Get the fuck outta’ here!

ftm porn is so 2010

R248 Thank you for confirming that misogyny, transphobia, psychotic delusions and warped projections are considered normal behaviour in the gay so-called community. For a long time I suspected as such, but now I don't need to anymore, everything has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. This thread has been revelatory for me.

"FtMs gay brothers out there, punch gay men if they reject you."

r249 r250 r251

R251 Trans won this case in U.K. I remember reading this story back in November 2018. This story back then got my attention to the trans threat to gays. Prior to that I’d heard of the trans threat to lesbians since 2010.

[quote]r244 He tastes so good

The devil is a lie.

High testosterone levels cause vaginal atrophy which inhibits the vagina's ability to self-clean. Apparently, many who have been with FTMs report a weird stench in the nethers.

I hope that check was worth it.

r254

Sharok has deleted his ex-gay Tweet at r244.

R244 R254 R256 What’s been seen cannot be unseen. I was just watching some scenes of this guy’s porn last night. What timing. Another porn performer off my list.

It saves a lot on the douching budget.

R258 Stink fish tranny

R257 He's an Arab, what did you expect. Arabs are super toxic over the whole masculinity issue and He's prolly super self loathing.

Isn't he Persian? And what exactly did he say before he deleted?

I do think there is one insightful comment here. The alleged "best sex of my life" trans-fucker may see himself as gay, but due to his stated preference for vagina-havers, many others won't. If we can just accept that we can all move forward. Self perception doesn't have to be shared by others. We can be respectful of the way others see themselves, but we don't have to believe it or validate it.

[quote]Women unfortunately are more in tune to pleasing others and being more tolerant and politically correct. Not saying what they mean.

You must mean White women. Black women...yeah, nah. On average, we're going to speak our minds, potential hurt feelings be damned.

Exhibit A:

As you can see here, sis was not with the bullshit.

What's the story there? That was awkward.

You can't change sex.

There are two sexes, male and female. That's evolution, that's how mammals procreate.

Gender is personality, described by sexual stereotyped of "masculine" and "feminine". There are masculine women and feminine men, they are fine the way they are, and they don't need drugs or surgery.

There are no woman brains that think woman thoughts, there are no man brains that think man thoughts.

"Trans" is a philosophical construct that is sexist and homophobic. "Trans" gender religion is bullshit and harmful to young people who might question sexual stereotypes.

"Trans" has nothing to do with sexual orientation. The drugs uses to "block puberty" are the same drugs used to chemically castrate sex offenders.

LGB, drop the fucking T. The straight people calling themselves "queer" should roast in hellfire.

I am so goddamned sick of this gender cult.

r264 It was a doctor on the show presenting "meat alternatives" that she cooked for Thanksgiving and it was, apparently...disgusting.

But yeah, we're not about to play these games with this trans mess, either. Remember the Wi Spa incident. Who was it that blew up on the sexual predator masquerading as a trans woman? A Black woman. She even said in the video other women were too damn scared to say anything. And they were mostly White and Asian women. Had she not spoken up about that shit and made a scene, I doubt it would've gotten as far as it did.

Being assertive is how we've survived this long.

Memories...

Well done to her. She handled that bullshit excellently.

When the Wi Spa incident happened, all the pro-trans DLers were [italic]absolutely convinced[/italic] that the entire incident was faked.

Then charges were filed against the offender and he was publicly named in news articles. Not a peep from DL's pro-trans contingent after THAT!

Still can't believe people were willing to beat up other people in the streets in the middle of the day, all because of this person.

A lot of those hardcore Marxist freaks in black are AGPs trans.

If you try to lookup the Wi Spa DL threads that were started when this incident first happened, most of them are now deleted. And come to find out, it was a whole sex offender.

"The fundamental problem with autogynephilia--the thing that makes it such a hated idea among many TIMs--is that it means, with cold and merciless scientific precision, that I'm a male with a paraphilia. Which is exactly what the autogynephilic fantasy wants to deny. It's a snake that eats its own tail."

[quote] Btw, I am an extremely strong and self-confident personality and couldn't give a rat's arse what some anonymous people say about me on the internet

Posts DOZENS of times: to tell us how you don't care?🤔

[quote] You do care what we think because you come back for more and more, endlessly seeking "VaLiDaTiOn".

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed

[quote] Thank you for confirming that misogyny, transphobia, psychotic delusions and warped projections are considered normal behaviour in the gay so-called community. For a long time I suspected as such, but now I don't need to anymore, everything has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. This thread has been revelatory for me.

Good! Now you can fuck off and whine to your support group about those ‘mean gays,’ in between fucking trannies

I’ve been here more than fifteen years. We don’t tap dance around delicate feelings, and we have an excellent nose for bullshit. If the (relatively mild) responses you’ve gotten so far are too much for you, then you’re in the wrong place. DL isnt a safe space; never has been.

R272 You are suffering from delusions of grandeur. DL is a fun site which I very well intend to visit and enjoy for as long as I want, and guess what: there's nothing you can do about it. As for your laughable conviction that my feefies are hurt, think again. I am only noting what is true about the environment here. It is you who needs a safe space, far away from anyone who makes you even slightly uncomfortable, like a gay man who happens to fuck FTMs and likes it. Again, I don't give a flying fuck about what anybody says or thinks about me here. Trust me on that.

The trans cult was pushed predominantly by white leftist males. The overwhelming majority of trans activists are male. They might call themselves "female," but contrary to the opinion of leftist men ( including gay men), womanhood isn't a costume. This is simply the chickens coming home to roost. Now you've got short, dumpy women with their tit scars invading your spaces. What goes around comes around.

R273, you're not a gay man. You have proven that much.

EX-GAY at R273.

I guess conversion therapy works.

Sharok posted that "transphobes" got his heterosexual Tweet taken down.

R277 I don’t know enough about Twitter to understand how someone else could’ve gotten his disgusting taken down. I’ve seen worse FTM Twitter posts than this guy’s.

Sharok is lying. He took it down himself because of the backlash to his revelation that he's not gay after all.

It says his tweet was removed for violating the rules, r279.

R274, [quote]What goes around comes around

Gay men aren't responsible for any of this nor is leftism. Get lost you shit for brains right-wing turd.

Twitter took it down? Or "Evil gay men complained and forced Twitter to take it down?"

It was disgusting, whatever the reason.

R266, Those two dumb black homophobes? You actually thought it was a good idea to post a video of that here??? XD Oh, my sides!!

Is Sharok surprised at the backlash? Lol like did he think it would all be the woke, virtue signaling gays and tranny loving bi men cheering him on? Twitter isn't reality. Most people are for no discrimination against trans, but they aren't rolling out their red carpet or catering to their out there demands

Two thirds of this thread is just terfs/right-wing loons talking to themselves. Pathetic.

Can someone explain the Sharok story?

R285, lesbians do not have penises.

R285 If you don't like it why are you reading the thread. You just want to troll.

r283 don't start that racist shit,

R281, you know damn well this is all leftist woke bullshit. The left is just as fucked and dangerous as the right.

[quote]Gay men aren't responsible for any of this nor is leftism.

The White dude who had the caucacity to call the Black woman reporting the sex offender in the women's area at the Wi Spa "a dick" is a gay dude named Forrest.

So, no, hon. A bunch of gay men are to blame for this; most of them White.

Exhibit mother fucking A:

r285

^ Meant r283

r290 r291 r292

What is the Sharok story? What was the tweet that was taken down?

R294, he was sucking on some tranny's nasty ass pussy.

I support gay porn stars. Not men who eat vaginas.

Back to the original topic, the reason FTM "guys" are on gay porn sites is that the trans ideology is homophobic and thinks that gay men should love pussy as long as the lady in question has tit removal scars and a beard.

Trans politics is just another form of conversion therapy for gay people. This time the homophobes are coming from the left side of the aisle.

No one wants to fuck an identity. Sex is about physical reality. Reality always wins.

Mixture of money and ideology.

You have people in the business who are deeply ideologised and they place this content in gay categories as a statement, but overwhelmingly, porn is an amoral money grab. It's one of the scummiest businesses in the world.