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A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (1945)

EG here, and I had never caught up to this one until last night. It was one of the better old black and white films I have seen in quite a while. Really well done. Elia Kazan's first movie. Just some general thoughts:

1) wasn't familiar with James Dunn until this, but his Oscar was well-deserved. A charming performance in many ways despite the fact his character is an alcoholic loser. 2) Dorothy McGuire looks like she is missing a tooth from certain angles. I don't find her very pretty but her performance is fine. 3) Lloyd Nolan gives a moving performance as a kindly beat cop. 4) Joan Blondell looked terrific in this and was welcome energy anytime she showed up. Her character was pretty risque for 1945. A serial bride who marries one guy when she isn't even sure the other was dead! 5) Why was the mother responsible for cleaning the hallways? Did she get a cut in the rent?

by Anonymousreply 58October 4, 2025 11:10 AM

I love this movie. All of the actors who played the main characters gave great performances.

by Anonymousreply 1February 24, 2022 11:02 PM

James Dunn was a mess in real life.

by Anonymousreply 2February 24, 2022 11:12 PM

The first feature Kazan directed and one of his best. Kazan later said of James Dunn:

Jimmy had been run out of movies for drinking. He was largely unemployable and felt ill at ease at the studio. But he was an awfully sweet, nice man, a hell of a guy. When I met him I said, this is it, this is Johnny Nolan, himself. He's full of watery-eyed Irish affection. He's ebullient. He feels guilty. He slinks. He and the girl are authentic, so I stayed off the background as much as possible and got onto their faces. By far the most authentic thing about the film is Peggy Ann Garner's face. Nothing compares with it except maybe Jimmy Dunn's face.

by Anonymousreply 3February 24, 2022 11:16 PM

Read the book.

by Anonymousreply 4February 24, 2022 11:19 PM

You can watch this film on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 5February 24, 2022 11:25 PM

I love this movie, too. My grandmother was Norwegian, grew up in Brooklyn, and always said it reminded her of her own family.

by Anonymousreply 6February 24, 2022 11:28 PM

Poor Peggy. She had an early death.

by Anonymousreply 7February 25, 2022 4:01 AM

I haven't seen this yet but I've heard good things about it.

by Anonymousreply 8February 25, 2022 4:03 AM

Garner's second husband was Albert Salmi, who appeared in Kazan's "Wild River" (1960). They had a daughter and divorced in the early 60s. Salmi remarried and moved to Spokane: he shot his second wife, then himself in 1990.

by Anonymousreply 9February 25, 2022 4:22 AM

Great film. Kazan distilled all of the best parts of the (very excellent) book while retaining much of its complexity. It is a fantastic read and if you like Aunt Sissy in the movie, you will really fall for her in the book. Such a great character, and Joan Blondell nailed her energy.

by Anonymousreply 10February 25, 2022 5:05 AM

I read the book many years ago, and discovered the movie back in the early 2000s. I didn't know Kazan was the director, but that explains a lot. It's right up there with my all-time-favorite B&W movies.

If you haven't seen it, you should.

by Anonymousreply 11February 25, 2022 5:33 AM

I really don't understand why this boring movie has such a hold on people.

by Anonymousreply 12February 25, 2022 5:35 AM

Peggy Ann, James Dunn, Anne Revere, and Ray Milland on Oscar night.

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by Anonymousreply 13February 25, 2022 6:07 AM

I thought it was a bit creepy how Lloyd Nolan moves in on the family and they’re all basically waiting for Jimmy Dunn to die. ACAB.

by Anonymousreply 14February 25, 2022 9:48 AM

[quote] I really don't understand why this boring movie has such a hold on people.

Because it isn't boring.

by Anonymousreply 15February 25, 2022 12:06 PM

It's a really lovely film. Highly recommended for those who haven't seen it.

by Anonymousreply 16February 25, 2022 12:12 PM

It's not one of those creaky old black and white films.

by Anonymousreply 17February 25, 2022 2:03 PM

I cried twice when I first saw it. When Peggy finds the small bouquet of flowers on her desk and when in the torment of giving birth to a baby they literally have no money for Dorothy McQuire spills out her feelings to her daughter of why she treated her as she did.

In Kazan's auto bio he talks about I believe being in the army and on movie night they show this film and nobody has any idea he's the director so he gets unfiltered opinions. Daryl Zanuck liked the film so much it got Kazan into the holy of holies the 20th Century Fox executive steam room where I assume many a business meeting was held.

by Anonymousreply 18February 25, 2022 3:13 PM

He had refinement...

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by Anonymousreply 19February 25, 2022 3:21 PM

Didn't Betty Grable turn down the role of Aunt Sissy?

by Anonymousreply 20February 26, 2022 12:07 AM

The house where Betty Smith wrote "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" in Williamsburg still stands,

by Anonymousreply 21February 26, 2022 12:21 AM

The Aunt Sissy role was intended for Alice Faye. She had complications with her second pregnancy, and was hospitalized. She lost the role to Joan Blondell. Joan was perfect for the part. She revitalized her career as a character actress.

by Anonymousreply 22February 26, 2022 12:44 AM

R12 The book, at least, had a hold on my mother. She was raised in the Depression and lived with Reverse Snobbery for the rest of her life.

I tried to watch the movie on Youtube last night but it was too sentimental for me. And Irish drunks and children bore me. And I distrust Elia Kazan.

by Anonymousreply 23February 26, 2022 12:57 AM

R9, she dodged a bullet. For real.

by Anonymousreply 24February 26, 2022 1:02 AM

Brilliant film with so many loving and authentic period details. My mother always talked about how much she loved the book as well as the film and that it reminded her of her own Jewish family and upbringing though she grew up in a Manhattan lower east side tenement about 20 years later than the events portrayed.

When I finally read the book a few years ago I was actually a little disappointed. I found it much less sentimental than the film and the characters are a lot tougher, even little Francie.

Anyway, I can't imagine anyone can watch the graduation scene at the end of the film and not bawl their eyes out.

by Anonymousreply 25February 26, 2022 1:22 AM

Brilliant film with so many loving and authentic period details. My mother always talked about how much she loved the book as well as the film and that it reminded her of her own Jewish family and upbringing though she grew up in a Manhattan lower east side tenement about 20 years later than the events portrayed.

When I finally read the book a few years ago I was actually a little disappointed. I found it much less sentimental than the film and the characters are a lot tougher, even little Francie.

Anyway, I can't imagine anyone can watch the graduation scene at the end of the film and not bawl their eyes out.

by Anonymousreply 26February 26, 2022 1:22 AM

Beautiful movie. One of my favorites. I don't understand why TCM doesn't show it more often.

by Anonymousreply 27February 26, 2022 1:28 AM

They got a cut in rent for cleaning the hallways. When I was growing up in Brooklyn in the 60s we got $15 off the rent for keeping the halls clean. I helped my mom every Saturday morning. So instead of $105 a month our rent was only $90.

by Anonymousreply 28February 26, 2022 1:30 AM

this was one of my favorite books

by Anonymousreply 29February 26, 2022 3:10 AM

A new broom...

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by Anonymousreply 30February 26, 2022 7:01 AM

I read the book in high school and loved it so much I found the movie. I remember the movie was almost a word-for-word copy of the book, but ended halfway through the novel. Is this correct or did I just miss half of the movie?

by Anonymousreply 31February 26, 2022 7:27 AM

Peggy Ann and Bob

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by Anonymousreply 32February 26, 2022 7:31 AM

No, you didn't miss any of the movie. In the movie, Francie's 8th grade graduation is followed almost immediately by the policeman's marriage proposal to Francie's widowed mother. In the novel these two events occur several years apart. In the interim, Francie worked in an office job, then enrolled in college (skipping high school). This was the most boring part of the novel which was why it was omitted from the movie.

by Anonymousreply 33February 26, 2022 8:14 AM

The above post was for R31.

by Anonymousreply 34February 26, 2022 8:16 AM

Thanks R33,

I think I’ll either watch the movie or read the book again. I’m pretty sure my partner would hate the movie, so maybe reading would be better for our relationship!

by Anonymousreply 35February 26, 2022 8:31 AM

[QUOTE] A Tree Grows in Brooklyn

Does the book tell us what kind of tree it was?

by Anonymousreply 36February 26, 2022 9:08 AM

An excellent and under appreciated film; I only saw it for the first time within the past 2 years on TCM and was shocked by how good it was and how much it moved me.

One of the great and most authentic films about family life in the United States and the fight for many on the margins economically to just try to survive while still hoping to somehow attain their piece of the American Dream...

by Anonymousreply 37February 26, 2022 9:33 AM

R6 your grandmother must've enjoyed "I Remember Mama" about the San Francisco Norwegian family in the early 1900s. And from 1949-1957, TV series "Mama" starring Peggy Wood..

by Anonymousreply 38February 26, 2022 11:09 AM

The Tree of Heaven, or Ailanthus, gained fame in 1943 as a symbol of endurance in Betty Smith's A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

by Anonymousreply 39February 26, 2022 11:12 AM

If the film had continued the story that's in the book about Francie's young adulthood after leaving school, they would have had to find older actors to play her and her brother. I think Kazan made the right decision to end the film where he did.

by Anonymousreply 40February 26, 2022 1:29 PM

If the film had continued the story that's in the book about Francie's young adulthood after leaving school, they would have had to find older actors to play her and her brother. I think Kazan made the right decision to end the film where he did.

by Anonymousreply 41February 26, 2022 1:29 PM

The natural gas hook ups to the interior lights always make me nervous lol.

by Anonymousreply 42February 26, 2022 6:07 PM

Look who's...

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by Anonymousreply 43February 26, 2022 6:20 PM

R36 = Barbara Walters.

by Anonymousreply 44February 26, 2022 6:52 PM

James Dunn played Shirley Temple's young widowed father in one of her earliest and biggest hits DIMPLES. She sang "On the Good Ship Lollipop" to him.

by Anonymousreply 45February 26, 2022 7:36 PM

Why can't network television produce wonderful, but half-forgotten musicals like A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN? Audiences may not know the material but, if you could just convince them to tune in, they would love it.

Instead we just keep getting GREASE and ANNIE and THE SOUND OF MUSIC. I'm sure THE MUSIC MAN with Hugh will be next.

by Anonymousreply 46February 26, 2022 7:39 PM

One of my favorite movie - I watch it, Marty and A Catered Affair any chance I get for that mid-century black & white NY working class charm.

by Anonymousreply 47February 26, 2022 8:36 PM

These tenements that these stories take place in --- what are they today?

by Anonymousreply 48February 26, 2022 9:31 PM

Another song from the musical...

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by Anonymousreply 49February 26, 2022 9:47 PM

Thank you R39

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by Anonymousreply 50February 26, 2022 9:49 PM

R21 Betty lived on the top (fourth) floor at 702 Grand Street near Graham Avenue.

by Anonymousreply 51February 26, 2022 9:57 PM

Nice night!

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by Anonymousreply 52February 28, 2022 1:58 AM

[r45], Shirley sang "On the Good Ship Lollipop" in "Bright Eyes", which featured a scene-stealing performance byhe t Jane Withers. I know Dunn was in it, but I think he played her dad's best friend. He had to tell her that her dad had been killed when the plane he was piloting crashed.

Dunn played her dad in "Stand Up and Cheer, " which was the film that made her a star.

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by Anonymousreply 53October 4, 2025 9:13 AM

Thanks for that clip R52, what a marvelous scene.

by Anonymousreply 54October 4, 2025 9:58 AM

I read somewhere the Lloyd Nolan character sexually abused Francie in real life

by Anonymousreply 55October 4, 2025 10:11 AM

Betty

by Anonymousreply 56October 4, 2025 10:12 AM

R43, they are still there- I lived in one! Williamsburg, Brooklyn on Grand St near Manhattan Ave. As someone else mentioned, the building where she wrote the book still exists. You can eat in the backyard of a restaurant of that building and the tree is probably still there!

by Anonymousreply 57October 4, 2025 11:04 AM

Did Peggy plant her own tree and make it grow?

by Anonymousreply 58October 4, 2025 11:10 AM
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