Horatio Sanz Groomed a Minor as SNL Cast Members Looked On

They should touch 17yo girls and on the flip side, those 2 girls mentioned should not have chosen to handout and party with grown men. But they chose to do so over and over and over again.

should NOT touch

PS - Jimmy is SO handsome in that pic.

OP = R1 = R2 as usual

The onus is on the adult to not bring starstruck teenagers to parties, and certainly to not digitally penetrate them without consent.

That's the reality of our culture.

Granted, Horatio seems dumber than the average 12 year old.

??? nope. I posed R1 and I am not OP.

Jimmy and Horatio got paid to get stoned then smirk and giggle on live television.

They should be charged for how damn annoying they were for years.

I read the longer article and the more this woman talks, the more I have these unanswered questions, which I'm sure will get me labeled as blaming the victim.

Where were her parents and who agreed that it would be a good idea to let a 15 year old go to an after party? If she felt abused, molested, or violated, why did she continue to go back for more? Why did she stay in touch with her "abuser" for such a long period of time? Why did she not ask for help or tell her parents when the abuse started?

My point is that she and the people around her take no responsibility for their own bad judgment. If you wander into a dangerous situation and get violated one time, then I feel sorry for you and deserve some justice. But if you wander into a dangerous situation repeatedly over an extended period of time, then you might just be stupid.

I only posted the link, and no other responses. - OP Agree with R7 and R5 completely.

How many 17 year olds do you know who are operating with a magically adult brain? That's why it's called grooming a minor. They don't have the capacity to make adult choices.

R8 seems to not know what "grooming" means.

I don't know how someone can go through life and hear dozens upon dozens of stories about kids being abused and think, ever single time, "Well, why didn't these kids just say something?" After enough examples of abused or groomed kids not coming forward, you'd think even the dimmest bulb would realize that it's a pattern and there must be a reason for it.

17 years old? If she's big enough, she's old enough.

Was this guy an actor or a writer? He looks totally unfamiliar.

It started when she was 15, Sanz and Fallon started emailing her at that time.

An ex who worked on SNL at the time told me that Jimmy was almost always drunk or coked up and was very unpleasant at the time.

How are the adults around her supposed to know she's getting finger blasted backstage??? She reaching with this one. She thinks everyone was talking about her! Typical "teenage girl" mentality. No one gave a shit who she was and probably ignored her. They were drunk stars of a tv show who love to party with the OTHER ADULTS! They didn't give a shit about this opportunist and probably didn't even know what her age was!

If I'm sitting near coked out Jimmy Fallon and he's giving SAT advice at the after party, alarm bells go off. It would be nice if someone had said "Horatio, don't bring underage girls here. Go get a prostitute, or join a gym and quit pot so you can attract adult women." I can hear this in Seth Meyer's voice perfectly.

The fucker wasn't looking to tutor these girls and keep them on track for college.

At the end of the day, Jimmy is gross for being close to the situation, and Horatio is responsible for his own actions.

What dumbasses start corresponding with the 15 year old president of their fan club?

The New York Age of Consent is 17 years old. In the United States, the age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity.

An adult man who's not a predator is NOT interested in partying with high schoolers, end of story.

[quote] No one gave a shit who she was

They obviously should have, what with being adults and all. A group backstage at SNL apparently went quiet when they heard her tell someone she was still in high school.

Damn I forgot how cute Jimmy Fallon was back then. I definitely would've hit that ass.

I mean he was telegraphing it with that mustache and amber rape glasses.

First World "problems".

Couldn't Jimmy Fallon be had for a bag of coke back in his SNL days? I think I remember hearing that.

17 is the age of consent in New York - this a non-story. Though can't see what any normal man these days would want with a 17-year-old, male or female, because they really are stunted children now - thank you social media and retarded millennial parents! Opposed to even a decade or two ago, my friends and I did behave like "young adults" when we were in our late teens.

Millennials aren't the parents of 17 year-olds unless they're total white trash who started having kids in their early 20s.

R26 I misspoke, meant Gen X. Or I guess elder millennials could be the parents of 17 year olds. Anyway, these kids are a LOT less grown-up than people their age were even about 10 years ago. It can't all be social media and internet addiction.

Running a salon is a good 2nd career.

Sanz was probably the worst cast member on SNL ever.

Will Jimmy have to make an apology on air again?

....

Where are the adults known as her parents? How is she hanging out at that hour if she's "just a child"?

It's shameful how many adults overlook the proper grooming of minors.

Rosie groomed me!

R17 “What dumbasses start corresponding with the 15 year old president of their fan club?”

Desi Arnaz Jr. of course.

“Why would any famous person entertain us?’” Katherine said. “‘Why would they even give us the time of day?’ And it’s because they were predatory.”

Or maybe they’re just people.

[quote] Sanz was probably the worst cast member on SNL ever.

After 40 yrs on the air, there’s a long list of equally terrible (and worse) cast members.

[quote] Couldn't Jimmy Fallon be had for a bag of coke back in his SNL days? I think I remember hearing that.

Is there such a thing as a nickel bag of coke?

I thought they were going to say that he was grooming Fallon.

Sanz is a sleazebucket. Period.

The day St. Lorne finally falls out of favor with the public will be the day the dams truly burst on that toxic ass environment.

That's why I love Jane Curtin, she's never bowed down to him. She had his number since day one.

R25 = Soon Yi Previn

I object to her criticism of the cast entertaining her. I believe that Horatio is a creep don't get me wrong, but if I was a performer who has "made it" then I wouldn't mind being a mentor to young people who are fans. Then again, I dont want to fuck teenagers so...

Also Fallon doesn't come across as a creep here. He talked about non sexual things with her, like her education and what direction she should take. I do sense she is a grifter.

[quote]How many 17 year olds do you know who are operating with a magically adult brain? That's why it's called grooming a minor. They don't have the capacity to make adult choices.

Question: Do you think a 16- or 17-year-old suddenly and, to use your own word, "magically" becomes an adult with an adult brain the moment they reach the age of consent at 18 -- assuming that is the age of consent where they happen to live?

Another money driven opportunist that regrets her whore past and decisions.

Of course not R44. But a line has to be drawn and it's only perverts who routinely try to claim that teenagers are mature enough to have sex with adults. Oddly enough, they never argue for teenagers to have other rights that adults have like voting. I'm not the poster you were talking to but I've seen this argument before.

I was 18 when I got my first job in Hollywood. It was working as an intern at the hottest agency in town (at the time). A "boutique agency" with only young hot and up-and-coming actors and writers. I would've fucked whoever I had to, to get a leg up, right out of the gate. So, I have no sympathy for this grifter chick. She used sex as currency and was left holding the bill, and now she's pissed! The fact she named 20 additional defendants is highly suspicious to me. Plus, waiting this long to sue is another red flag. Money, money, money.

No, R44, I don't. Your brain evidently keeps developing well into your twenties. Your point seems disingenuous to me.

In January 2000, Sanz allegedly “began his process of grooming Plaintiff,” which included an October 2000 in-person meeting after an SNL taping. According to the lawsuit, Sanz became “flirtatious and physically affectionate with the then 15-year-old Plaintiff by kissing her cheek and putting his hands on her waist” during their in-person meeting following an SNL taping. The lawsuit claims that in 2001, Sanz began talking to the minor on AOL Instant Messenger and intentionally “steered conversations to discuss sex, sexual experiences, sexual activities, sexual fantasies, masturbation,” as well as “solicit inappropriate photographs” from Doe. - Vanity Fair

[quote] a mentor to young people who are fans

That’s pretty obviously not what was going on here. Jimmy Fallon seems like a soulless dolt.

Teens act like little kids because adults treat them like little kids. Why do you think teens act out, rebel and find high school boring? Because instinctively they desire freedom to leave their nest and be fully functional adults who work, travel and have experiences. They are full of energy and a desire to make their own path. Maturity in fact comes from life experience. A spoiled brat with rich parents will always grow up to be immature and childish. While a child from a lower-class home who has to work a part-time job and take care of their younger siblings while their parents work will more than likely grow up to be responsible. Other cultures put more adult responsibilities on their teenagers and they are far less likely to act out and be rebellious for the sake of it.

Yes the brain stops developing in the mid-20s. But clearly maturity comes more from your environment and upbringing. As way too many American adults in their middle age and above are still stupid and immature.

I wonder where her parents were too but that's the point--she was 15 years old and unsupervised.

The victim had a successful fan site and believed this was how you start your career--going to parties with celebrities.

Sexual assault is assault no matter what age you are. She did not consent to his gropings.

[quote][R8] seems to not know what "grooming" means.

R8 isn't the only person in this thread choosing not to understand what grooming is, R11.

[quote]The timing of Jane’s connection with Sanz turned out to be significant. Weeks after the two started chatting on AIM in late August 2001, she recalls visiting the wreckage of the World Trade Center with a friend. She and Sanz had begun chatting routinely—about who might have been in on the attacks and what America’s path forward might look like. The conversations made her feel mature, an ongoing theme of her dynamic with Sanz, who at the time was twice her age—32 years old to her 16. She can still remember the smell of smoke that hung in the air over the debris at Ground Zero.

Quoted text and linked image are from the Daily Beast article at R14.

Unfortunate for Sanz that the same personality traits that make you want to hook up with an SNL member at 17 make you want to be the martyr protagonist of a Me Too story at 35.

Has he acted in anything in the last few years? I haven't heard his name in ages.

R48, thanks, but you needn't have gone into all that, as I was not addressing the Sanz situation. I was asking whether you or anyone else here really believes that young people suddenly and magically become mature adults with adult brains as soon as they hit whatever the age of consent is where they happen to live.

NBC throws Sanz overboard

NBCUniversal says it’s not liable for Horatio Sanz’s alleged sex assault because it was ‘after hours’

“I don’t care. Do you?”

No, really. I don’t care.

Fallon crawled so Pete Davidson could walk. Look how edgy-cute Fallon was!

"We have erased the number seventeen from our lexicons." - Just Andrew

Why is it every fat man I've ever met has been morally corrupt? Just greedy, lying, cheating, sneaky, scheming tricksters.

I'm attracted to pudge, but almost immediately the red flags start popping-up.

Perhaps it's because fat men are gluttonous R60. And that gluttony seeps into other things.

Pig...

Wow, lots of victim-blaming here, as usual. Looks like some of y'all need to hear it again: an adolescent teen is still growing and maturing in their brain, and do not think the way adults think. Therefore, the onus is on the adult to make the correct decision. If you think the correct decision is for the adult to take the underage kid out on the town without a chaperone, get your head checked. Too many pedo apologists 🤮

If NBC is hosting parties that Sanz brings 15-year-olds to, it has a liability problem.

They were and they do

Amateur

'Groomed'

what did he do? Style her dresses?

The DL pedo apologists always come out in full force whenever these kinds of things get posted here R63. It’s disgusting and ridiculous that they’re allowed to post at all.

Use your twat to get something, then blame those to whom you were marketing your twat.

Did the kids who went to Neverland to get molested by Michael Jackson get blamed for that? No, they were kids whose stupid parents put them into danger because they were awed by being in the orbit of a celebrity.

In this case, what I want to know is whether this girl's parents knew what she was doing. In the article, it appears that she met HS and JF when she was 15, but the sexual manipulations did not happen until after she had passed the age of consent.

Jimmy Fallon was very cute back then, I'd be all over him. He's a marshmallow fat head now, getting old sucks. lol

R68, I think you are being overdramatic. I'm still open-minded and listening to this woman's story but I want to see how the case turns out.

What has turned me off to her is hearing about her behavior since she has become an adult. She supposedly tried to blackmail Sanz for 7 million dollars. She also kept in contact with Sanz for years afterwards.

Also, I don't like the way that she decided as an adult to indict all the SNL cast members who may have been at parties with her. Additionally, it was obvious she wanted to get into Jimmy Fallon's pants so she pretended to be interested in his fat, ugly friend Horatio. As an adult, she should be honest with herself about that but instead she tried to make Fallon a center of the case so she could get more money out of NBC.

I hope she is also suing her parents.

I must admit. Everyone looks hot and good looking when they are skinny. Jimmy does look very sexy in OP’s pic

Rebel Wilson talked about a co-star who harassed her. She gave no name but Horatio Sanz appeared in the same movie, "Bachelorette."

[Quote] Several years ago, the 42-year-old actress was harassed by a male costar whom she has not named. "He called me into a room and pulled down his pants," she says. Then in front of his friends, he asked her to perform a lewd act. "It was awful and disgusting," she says.

Now everyone is a groomer. Good lord. Enough already, pearl clutchers. People can get married at 15, for Christ’s sake. Everyone is a victim now. You get free shit and applause. Call me when someone fucks or diddles someone who can’t yet grow pubic hair.

[quote] Millennials aren't the parents of 17 year-olds unless they're total white trash who started having kids in their early 20s.

What???! People have been starting families in their early 20s for centuries, dingbat. Jesus Christ, what a moronic fag you are.

So many people here do not get it.

R8 said that if the girl felt abused or molested she should have stopped going. But no teenage feels abused or molested. They are curious about sex. They want the attention. They think it is great that older guys want to fuck them.

It is not till later that they see the damage and feel the regret.

Blaming a teen for acting like a teen? Blaming a teen for lacking insight? For lacking foresight? For lacking the social skills to get out of situations?

Sorry. But that is just creepy.

[quote] Looks like some of y'all

And that's exactly where I stopped reading your post.

After all the years of the #MeToo ridiculousness, I am no longer willing to accept fuzzy accusations of "grooming" just because they are voiced. If she's got a charge to make against Jimmy Fallon or the rest of the SNL cast, let's see her sue someone and we'll see how it stands up in court.

But I can't just believe every accusation just because it's brought forward--that's Salem witch-trial thinking. Accusations do NOT mean someone is automatically guilty as charged.

R79 No one is disputing that Sanz brought the teen to adult parties. Maybe Fallon or someone told Sanz to cool it, but no one has admitted to that, so ......

I witnessed something similar, and a few of us told the guy to get her home. One of us, contacted her parents. Did anyone at SNL do anything similar? If they did, I am sure they would come forward.

I wish there were different terms for molesting a prepubescent child and seducing a willing teenager. The designation of pedophile seems to be used for everything from raping a six year old to flirting with a sixteen year old. There are problems with both behaviors but they are not the same.

R25, yes, I'm sure you and everyone your age was perfect and angelic and mature. Btw, this happened a while ago, so I don't even get the "kids today" rant

R79, she has texts to back up her claims. The Salem Witch Trials claims are silly, you sound hysterical. Witches don't exist but sexual predators sure do

So it was never her parent's responsibility to engage in some , oh well, you know parenting of their minor, in the first place? But now all these years later they're all just conveniently playing dumb and naïve? It was never the primary responsibility of the entire cast and crew of the show to parent their daughter. That primary responsibility was on them and they clearly failed at it.

R81, does anyone really care? There is a difference between larceny and fraud, but the fine distinctions do not really make much difference when evaluating someone's character---they are both theft.

R85 Well, yes, there is a range of moral outrage and punishments for different offenses. There is a difference between thieves who are shoplifters or armed robbers, or between drug abusers who smoke marijuana or shoot heroin. There are even different degrees of murder.

But again, does anyone really judge someone convicted of murder one differently than someone convicted of murder two.

We are talking about someone who does not control sexual impulses and uses another person. I do not much care if that person is10 years old or 15. Just because someone prefers one age to another does not really change the act.

It should R87. Someone who uses a 30 year old for sex is not the same as someone who uses a 10 year old.

[quote]The Salem Witch Trials claims are silly, you sound hysterical. Witches don't exist but sexual predators sure do

Umm, you clearly don't understand what people mean when they refer to a "witch hunt." I would try to explain it to you in simple terms, but you seem too dense to understand anyway, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Fuck these whining cunts.

R88, no one was talking about a 30 year old--but I think you know that and are just trying to sow confusion.

R81 was talking about a 6 year old and a 16 year old. He says there should be a greater distinction between the two.

That you how to bring grown adults into the discussion, makes my point that the distinction between a 6 and 16 year old is not that great in how people evaluate the action.

Wait, how does that make your point? I'm not well versed in circular logic.

It was a different time. You can't judge it by today's values.

This 17-year old hosted SNL in that time period and appeared in a sketch that focused on her body and boobs.

Wouldn't happen today but it shows that it was a different time.

And the sketch at R93 was written by a woman (Rachel Dratch).

And approved by Tina Fey, if I recall correctly. She was the head writer at the time, I think.

Yes, R95.

How old was Sanz when this was going on?

The SNL cast from that era was relatively tame compared to earlier casts.

But Tracy Jordan threw some wild parties where he had hookers going down on each other. It's in some book that one of the SNLers wrote.

Meanwhile, the current cast are almost angels. The cast has gotten much more professional and less blue collar over the years.

I am so sick of the term "grooming" being applied to every behavior of a creep that I invoke Chery's Bane to protect all the pussies out there, to spare us the incessant OUTRAGE!!!!!

[quote] The Salem Witch Trials claims are silly, you sound hysterical.

I ceased to be frightened of name-calling years ago, honey.

This woman made a mistake in attacking the entire cast. It turned a lot of people off to her story.

People don’t care because the majority of the public hasn’t given a shit about SNL in years.

I forgot how fuckable young Fallon was.

[quote]And the sketch at [R93] was written by a woman (Rachel Dratch).

Should that even matter? It's frankly sexist to use that as some defense, or shield.

I can’t stand Jimmy Fallon, but I find him disturbingly hot in OP’s post.

The takeaway from this thread is that we forgot or never knew that Fallon was a hot twink.

Didn't read the article but did she flash her driver's license before responding to any communication? Was she open about her age?

^^honest about her age^^

The legal responsibility is on the parents to supervise and make decisions about their children.

If a company, group or individual drafted rules, created choices or made decisions about how to supervise (or not) their child and/ or interferes, supersedes or contradicts parental care or her individual’s choice - and she got raped anyways or she lost a career-changing opportunity with the job,

the parents would sue.

THIS is why no one intervenes nowadays.

[quote] Should that even matter? It's frankly sexist to use that as some defense, or shield.

Trotting out the word 'sexist" may make people bow down before you on reddit, but you're on Datalounge.

Your judgey little woke labels don't matter much here.

Frankly.

[quote]Why is it every fat man I've ever met has been morally corrupt?

Why is it that the trolls get up so early to post their horseshit?

r106 Dayum gurrl! And he has the requisite hot twink hair and wardrobe from the era.

Too bad he morphed into a puffy middle-aged lesbian present day.

Yeah, she definitely wanted Fallon back then.

Agree, R113. Fallon was very popular with female SNL viewers and he was featured in all the teen magazines.

r114 I would cum on that face.

Aww ya old romantic R115

Recent affidavit named Ana Gasteyer, Rachel Dratch, Tina Fey, Seth Meyers, and Maya Rudolph as witnessing one of the incidents.

The OP says "It’s disgusting".

R68 says "It’s disgusting".

They are disgusted. The vomit is rising in their throat and they're about to 'degust' all over themselves.

Jimmy looks like Martin Short’s puckish agent in “The Big Picture.”

I still don’t understand how you can groom someone that’s of legal age.

A minor? A forty-niner, and his shoes were number 9.

As someone who had a close friend in college who I learned many years later was being accused of sexual harassment and date rape, I had no clue. I knew he was a womanizer and dated a lot of girls on campus, but I did not know either first hand or indirectly through others of improper behavior. Being friends with someone does not implicate you of things they do, especially if you were not aware of it. Personally I was bisexual and I myself had a short affair with a professor's assistant (a female) when I was 18 and she was late 20s. Today it would be not just inappropriate but grounds for possible termination. Back then it wasn't a big ethical issue. If it was consensual nobody cared.

This chick seems to think guilty by association. Unless all those cast members are going on record to defend Horatio then I don't see why she's dragging them into it.

Why is she filing this lawsuit now? Why would anyone remember seeing somebody grope a girl from twenty years ago, when week after week they were going to drunken, drug fueled parties where everybody was groping each other? She thinks that this was some special event and this moment ruined her life.

That stinking fat fuck "groomed a minor?"

Yeah, right.

A gold minor.

Any leaks of Fallon's phallus?

He's cute and fun. I wish he had groomed me.

Was Ana Gasteyer still going to SNL after parties in May 2002? She was eight months pregnant at the time.

Eeeew he was digitally pentrating her in front of cast members Ana Gasteyer, Tina Fey, Seth Meyers, etc.

[Quote]Call me when someone fucks or diddles someone who can’t yet grow pubic hair.

Alopecia ain't no laughin' matter, motherfucker.

Is it bad that I don’t care?

I’ll say this again, if anyone restricted her from going to work related events the parents would’ve sued- saying she/they couldn’t meet the same movie producers, executives or connections other SNL staff met that opened other opportunities. This is why no one bothered.

Sorry, R132, are you saying that she worked there? She was a high school student who fancied herself the leader of a fan club. She put herself in the position of being manipulated and abused, she got manipulated and abused, then she waited twenty years and decided that she wasn't satisfied with her life and looked around for someone to blame.

None of that matters. Adults have a duty of care.

Horacio couldn’t even groom himself.

He sounds swell.

I wish him well.

[quote] This chick seems to think guilty by association. Unless all those cast members are going on record to defend Horatio then I don't see why she's dragging them into it.

She probably views them as "enablers: But, in the early 2000s, laws may have been lax and there might not have been anything the cast members could have done. I also think she probably has resentment towards those cast members because Tina Fey produces a lot of projects and casts Gasteyer, Rudolph, and Dratch quite a bit.

I'm surprised the accuser hasn't bitched up a storm regarding the comedy podcasts Sanz did for the several years before the scandal broke. He was in a lot of Scott Aukerman's Comedy Bang Bang podcast episodes and other podcasts produced by Paul Scheer, Matt Besser, Lauren Lapkus, and others in the LA improv crowd. But, a lot of podcasts are paywalled on Stitcher Premium. Sanz often seemed to show up on improv podcasts were the other improvisers were usually millennials who are 10-15 years younger than him.

NBC

Nothing But Creeps

[quote]The 2021 lawsuit includes text message exchanges between the two dating as recently as 2019, where the comedian said he was “very sorry” about what happened. “If you want to metoo me you have every right,” he wrote Doe.

This is regarding the The twenty-seventh season of Saturday Night Live, which aired between September 29, 2001 and May 18, 2002.

This is 20 years ago and I don't know the extent, but they were dating at the very least in an on and off situation until 2019, when she was 37 yrs old.

She only filed this because of whatever happened in 2019. But she was fine with things until then. I can't get upset for a 17 yr old who consensually dated an adult

[quote] Was Ana Gasteyer still going to SNL after parties in May 2002? She was eight months pregnant at the time.

I wonder if the fangirl misremembered or mistook Gasteyer for someone else. Maybe, it was Amy Poehler.

Fuck twink Jimmy Fallon right in the bussy!

Did hot young Fallon hook up with dudes?

I'm thinking more major dirt will come out on Fallon at some point. Horatio's fangirl seems to be releasing more info little by little.

If she wants to sue Sanz go for it. I don't like the thing where she's trying to drag anyone who was in their vicinity into her and Horatios personal drama. Personally I can't tell a 17 year old from a 19/20 year old. The only person with the responsibility to know this girls age was the person touching her.

This reddit thread from when the story first broke is an interesting read. A couple of posters mention lurking/read SNL alt newsgroups in the early 2000s and knowing of a teenage girl who attended SNL parties. Another poster says he or she knew a woman who creeped on by Sanz in the improv community.

^^I meant to type " who was creeped on by Sanz"

God, I’m so tired of this shit. It’s like the satanic panic of the ‘80s. The girl was 17. That’s young, but it’s the age of consent in New York. I’m so tired of everyone who made a bad choice when they were young now targeting their exes or hookups as groomers and predators. Evan Rachel Wood was recently talking about her abuse at the hands of Marilyn Manson, describing how he was initially sweet and caring with her as “classic grooming behavior.” Um, no, that’s classic behavior for anyone trying to date someone or simply get laid.

R140, That’s a LONG time to be grooming somebody!

R4: lol! I see the first post but the next one for me is r4 — your post.

Probably no-life footface changing IPs like crazy, as usual.

The age of consent in New York state is indeed 17, so she has no case whatsoever against Horatio Sanz... much less the cast of SNL.

[bold]NEXT.[/bold]

[quote] The age of consent in New York state is indeed 17, so she has no case whatsoever against Horatio Sanz

That's what 𝑰'𝒗𝒆 been saying. How much good did that do me?

R144, I don't think so. And what "new" info has she released?

I hope we eventually learn her identity. She seems like a POS. As per R140, she was dating Sanz on and off till she was 37.

Also, R140, the thing that "happened" in 2019 was this:

In January 2019, New York legislators passed the New York Child Victims Act. This revolutionary Act amends the state's statute of limitations to allow child sex abuse victims more time to come forward and seek the justice they deserve against both their abuser and the compliant institutions that enabled the abuse.

She saw an opportunity to make $$$$.

[quote]I hope we eventually learn her identity

A poster on that reddit thread mentioned something Google having archives of news altgroups and that might be easy to figure out her identity.

When I was 13, my family got dial up internet service and I followed some SNL fan sites. This was 1998 and back fan sites were really basic looking. I remember one fan site was run by a teenage boy who I think was 17 at the time I started reading his site. I can't recall if he attended tapings, but he had pics of himself with SNL cast members. I wonder if this young woman crossed paths with that guy because he somehow seemed to have connections to cast members. I think his name was Sean. I stopped following that site after a few years. I recall visiting some SNL forums in the early 2000s here and there.

[quote] Where are the adults known as her parents? How is she hanging out at that hour if she's "just a child"?

I get the vibe that she was some kind of spoiled brat theater or wannabe comedian kid with parents who were dumb enough give into her SNL activities. In high school/teen years, there's at least person you know whose parents let them do whatever the fuck they want.

The Daily Beast article says the accuser lied to her parents and never told them about going to SNL parties and tapings. She had some after school job that she used to pay for train tickets to go to NYC. I might have missed it, but articles don't mention where she lived. She also said that she wanted to and believed that she would eventually work at SNL and that she viewed the activities as networking. My take she was a naive kid who thought hanging out with Sanz, Fallon, and others was going to guarantee her some kind of SNL job later in the life. But, Sanz and Fallon probably had no interest in ever helping her work at SNL. The other article that mentions Rachel Dratch and Tina Fey laughing at Sanz and the accuser. I'm guessing the accuser's networking activities rubbed Dratch, Fey, and others the wrong way and they probably viewed her someone trying to fuck her way into SNL employment.

The Daily Beast article mentions that in 2019 the accuser reported Sanz to Upright Citizens Brigade. I don't know what the fuck she expected them to do, since her incidents with Sanz never took place at UCB communities. UCB should only be held responsible for shit that goes on at their premises. I wonder if she trying to get UCB to tell her dirt on Sanz.

R156, the more you describe this woman the more she sounds like a classic groupie. But instead of rock stars, she liked comedians. I wonder how many guys in the comedy world she has gone through? Approaching 40, she must have been disappointed that she never hooked someone big in the comedy world like John Mulaney's baby mama did.

Also, if her parent really didn't know, it's because they didn't want to know or didn't care. She was out all Saturday night and returning home (if she actually did) on Sunday mornings at the earliest. As I recall, she lived in Pennsylvania which is a long way from NYC.

Also, why should Fallon or Sanz have been interested in getting her a job? Most of the people associated with that show had to struggle and go through rigorous auditions before they landed a spot there. And what exactly was her talent? What does for a living?

I think a NY jury would laugh at her story. Too bad for her, so much time has passed since the original MeToo# outcry that she is likely to get the Amber Heard treatment.

R157 She does sound like a classic groupie and I'm sure she was viewed as that by some of the people at SNL. There have been probably other SNL groupie types before this woman was involved with Fallon and Sanz. There have probably been other groupies after this woman.

[quote] I wonder how many guys in the comedy world she has gone through? Approaching 40, she must have been disappointed that she never hooked someone big in the comedy world like John Mulaney's baby mama did.

I wonder about this as well since one of the articles mentioned something about her seeing Sanz at comedy festival in 2019. I'm betting she probably went to various comedy fests nearby to either get near Sanz or other comedians. If she lived in Philly as a teenager, the train ride into NYC would be a few hours. She probably found ways to sneak into comedy clubs or improv theaters in NYC. She reported Sanz to UCB, she may have been hanging out at UCB NY as a teenager with Sanz. I wouldn't be surprised if she also hung out at comedy clubs or other improv communities.

[quote] Also, why should Fallon or Sanz have been interested in getting her a job? Most of the people associated with that show had to struggle and go through rigorous auditions before they landed a spot there. And what exactly was her talent? What does for a living?

SNL has/had a practice in which cast members can recommend people for writing jobs on the show. Katie Rich, the SNL writer who got suspended for making the joke about Barron Trump was hired to SNL writing staff on recommendation by Cecily Strong. . Strong and Rich are friends from i0 in Chicago. The other example I recall is that Mikey Day was hired on recommendation by Nasim Pedrad. My guess is that this woman was somehow hoping Sanz or Fallon would do something similar for her. I think SNL cast members getting their improv pals jobs isn't necessarily a bad thing if the pals recommended for jobs have decent writing talent. It seems like this woman likely thought she was on a faster track because she was hanging out at SNL as a teenager.

R158 that is what I'm wondering. Did she ever do improv? Like Colin Jost recommended Michael Che to SNL and Fallon recommended Andy Samberg but both Che and Samberg were already doing things in the comedy. They had experience. That's why I want to know what type of work this woman has been doing.

[quote] that is what I'm wondering. Did she ever do improv? Like Colin Jost recommended Michael Che to SNL and Fallon recommended Andy Samberg but both Che and Samberg were already doing things in the comedy. They had experience. That's why I want to know what type of work this woman has been doing.

I also wonder what she's does for a living. I have the feeling she isn't working in the entertainment industry as seems to have resentment towards some of the monetary success some SNL cast members like Fey, Meyers, and Fallon have had. One of the articles that mentioned her going to UCB to report Sanz gave the impression that she didn't really know in the beginning about how to take legal action against him. Basically UCB told her to contact NBC.

It's possible Sanz told the accuser to get into an improv group as SNL mostly scouts from improv communities for writers and cast members. Improv isn't glamorous and basically performers have day jobs or do commercial work to pay the bills while doing improv at night or on weekends. I listen to a lot of comedy podcasts from improv performers or actors who got started in improv and the stories they tell range from audience members constantly giving them shit when performances flop, having shows cancelled due to low ticket sales, issues with improv team members, theatre owners and artistic directors, theaters moving spaces because of rent issues and property tax issues etc. Some improv performers have done cruise ship work or college campus tours which can be draining. There was some podcast where a performer mentioned doing shows on an Alaskan cruise ship and she described it as miserable because most of the people going to the shows were older people who just didn't understand improv.

Given that Sanz's accuser got to go SNL after parties as a teenager at expensive restaurants or SNL cast member homes, I can't imagine she would have been happy to hang around other unknown performers at improv theaters doing very low budget sketch or Harold shows or traveling around in cruise ships or college campuses. On the other hand, SNL isn't all that glamourous. SNL is one of the lower paying workplaces in the entertainment industry. Former cast members and writers have said the work schedule is exhausting. Larry David hated the all night writing sessions and fought with higher ups on that when he was writer back in the 80s. I also recall a former SNL cast member saying that working on sitcoms was easier than SNL. It's sort of sad that the accuser had it in her head that SNL was some kind of comedy utopia. But, she doesn't come off as all that sympathetic with how she basically expected Fallon, Sanz, Lorne Michaels, and others to get her work at SNL just because she was tagging along to afterparties.

R160, she wanted to be Fallon's girlfriend. Now she's rewriting history and says she wanted to work at SNL.

I think it could have been a situation where the girl wasn't attractive enough for Fallon and Sanz went after her.

If this goes to trial, I hope newspaper or magazine journalists are allowed in because it would be interesting to see how defense attorneys would cross examine the accuser especially since 20 plus years have gone by. Also, articles mentioned she asked NBC for 7.5 million in exchange for her silence.

Have Seth, Maya, Ana or Rachel said anything yet?

R163 No. And nor should they. This is Horatios problem and they should not be dragged into it just because they were his co worker. If they make any sort of statement they will immediately be hounded by an online mob shrieking " complicit, complicit!".

This bitch is drama central!

You tried to sleep your way to the top, only you're working amongst the bottom (pun intended). You're no different than Rose McGowen, only you really went after the LOWEST hanging fruit! Serves you right, bitch!

You have to be way more savvy to make it in Hollywood, darling!

R133 "She put herself in the position of being manipulated and abused, she got manipulated and abused"

you're disgusting

Horatio Sanz is a nobody. How has he managed to keep this under wraps? Is Lorne stepping in to protect SNL?

[quote] This is Horatios problem and they should not be dragged into it just because they were his co worker.

It worked for Dylan Farrow.

R167 It's because he is not particularly famous that it hasn't received a lot of publicity.

r114 I would do naughty things with Y2K Fallon.

R167, he hasn't been on SNL in about 15 years. What other projects do you know him from? If people don't remember his time at SNL they are not even going to know who he is.

People might remember him as playing the stepdad of Amy Poehler's annoying Kaitlin character. Sanz was on short lived Great News sitcom that was produced by Tina Fey several years ago. I liked that show, but it got canned after a couple of seasons. Yeah, Sanz has never received that much publicity.

R167 Lorne is probably working behind the scenes to protect SNL. Tina, Rachel, Seth, Maya, Ana, and the others will keep quiet as well.

Where were the parents when this child was partying? Abusive situation -- almost to be expected.

R173 I think it was one of those Daily Beast articles that she said she never told her parents about going to NYC. She probably used some classic cover story about sleeping over at a friend's house during the weekends.

R174

Bet she regrets it now!

Update:

Woman Claims Jimmy Fallon, Tracy Morgan & Lorne Michaels Were “Enablers” In Horatio Sanz’ Alleged Sexual Assault Of Minor

This is reddit thread has a link to the amended complaint. The complaint includes pictures of notes the accuser had on her SNL trips and pics of her (face is blurred out) with Fallon and Sanz. Also, pics of autographs from cast members.

She changed lawyers. I see she is now putting Tracy Morgan in the spotlight. Likely, because of his wild partying history at SNL.

Is she now letting the female cast members off the hook? Didn't they also participate in the party culture?

R178 In the amended complaint there's a part about how "her idols Tina Fey and Rachel Dratch" laughed at her when Sanz was groping her and rubbing her vagina. The amended complaint is interesting because they quoted comments from past female cast members about the SNL environment being sexist.

So, if I went to a party am I potentially an enabler? If someone was underage and/or under the influence? Can they sue me years later as an "enabler"?

This woman is around 40 but you would think she grew up in the current era and was a Zoomer based on the logic of her lawsuit.

Did she not notice that Lindsay Lohan was a 17-year old host? And that they did an entire sketch focusing on her boobs? And it was written by Rachel Dratch? Did this woman not watch the show?

Chris Kattan is mentioned as a rubbing the thigh of Jane Doe's friend. Didn't Norm MacDonald claim that Kattan was a perv or was it someone else?

I thought Norm implied Chris was gay.

After Norm passed, weren't there young women accusing him of being a perv?

After Norm died, Kattan claimed their feud was fake. IIRC, Colin Quinn mentioned that a former "elfish" cast member was in the closet. The guesses were Kattan or Will Ferrell.

Jeff Richards is mentioned in the complaint as being another guy who sexually assaulted two of the accuser's friends. The accuser said that Sanz told her to be keep quiet about it. I always found Jeff Richards to be creepy on MadTV and SNL.

[quote] Is she now letting the female cast members off the hook? Didn't they also participate in the party culture?

She also mentions Ana Gasteyer and Maya Rudolph being at parties. She claims that Gasteyer and Rudolph both looked shocked and disgusted. I might have missed it, but there was no mention of Amy Poehler in the complaint.

If her pussy bleeds every month, then she's not a minor.

I'm kind of surprised some right wing media sites haven't really covered this story.

It’s weird, if a fifteen year old were at a party like this now, I would be outraged. But back then, in this one specific time in pop culture, I think I would’ve found it normal. This was the time of Britney and Paris and Lindsay. Pop culture was filled with very young girls being “bad,” and we all just sort of accepted it. I’m not excusing it, but I can absolutely believe that brown adults saw this happening and turned a blind eye.

*grown. Oof.

15-year old Brooke Shields was going to Club 54.

I think she also played a child prostitute when she was 12.

She was 15 in this commercial which was on during the day all the time.

R187, she dropped the women and Seth Meyers because it made the story too complicated and they weren't big enough celebrities.

[quote]It’s weird, if a fifteen year old were at a party like this now, I would be outraged. But back then, in this one specific time in pop culture, I think I would’ve found it normal. This was the time of Britney and Paris and Lindsay. Pop culture was filled with very young girls being “bad,” and we all just sort of accepted it. I’m not excusing it, but I can absolutely believe that brown adults saw this happening and turned a blind eye

There's a docuseries called Keep This Between Us which premiered earlier this week on Freeform and it's also streaming on Hulu. It's about a woman who was a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s. She was groomed by her teacher into having a sexual relationship. In the documentary it's mentioned how teen girls being bad or highly sexualized was normalized and accepted back then. The documentary sort of reminded of this because there were parts were another teacher of the woman had previously defended the teacher she was sleeping with. But, in the documentary it was clear that he was trying to redeem himself for a turning a blind eye.

R194 My mom started dating my dad when she was 18 and he was 37. When my sister asked her why, my mom said, "It was the 70s."

Lawsuit accusing former 'SNL' star Horatio Sanz of grooming, assaulting teen is dismissed

The suit, filed last year in New York City, was dismissed on Nov. 23, according to a new court filing. The claim cannot be refiled because it was dismissed with prejudice.

“All claims asserted by Plaintiff Jane Doe … are hereby dismissed with prejudice, without costs and attorneys’ fees to any party or against any other party," the filing said.

In a statement, an attorney for the plaintiff said, "The parties have resolved their dispute and have moved on."

Everyone wanted to cover this story when they thought Sanz would be found guilty. But now that it has ended this way no one is covering it. That is going to make it hard for Sanz.

But I think with his SNL connections he'll be okay eventually.

He was horny, she desperately wanted attention, and everyone in this situation acted with poor judgment.

I don't get it. The age of consent in NY State is 17 years old. These girls were of age. Not to drink, but old enough under the law to be an adult's sexual partner.

A 17 year old is not a child, no matter how dumb they are.

R199 he was fingering her on a couch at a party in front of everyone. She was most likely not sober. That’s predatory & exploitative.

And the mean girls just laughed & walked away

You're right, R199. The problem is that treating a 17-year old like an adult is no longer culturally acceptable even though it may be legal.

Also, older people understand what was considered normal in the culture back then but younger people do not. Thus, Sanz and NBC probably just found it easier to give her a payoff if that is what actually happened. I guess we'll never know.

She stayed friends with Horatio until they passed that law in NY that allows people to sue over child sex abuse. I guess she was near 40 and hadn't achieved any success in the comedy field like she had hoped. So she decided to extort Sanz and NBC for money.

Case dismissed with prejudice.

Yet he's still guilty!

Well, she was just seventeen, and you know what I mean / And the way she looked was way beyond compare / So how could I dance with another? (Oh) / When I saw her standing there?

I wonder if Horatio used this in his defense. I can see someone suing for sexual assault over getting publicly fingered, I guess. But not for "grooming." Grooming suggest someone who is underage and being taken advantage of sexually. That is not the case here.

R35 Damn you! I came to say the same thing but was going to sign my post "Davy Jones". This is why I love DL so much

[quote] She stayed friends with Horatio until they passed that law in NY that allows people to sue over child sex abuse. I guess she was near 40 and hadn't achieved any success in the comedy field like she had hoped. So she decided to extort Sanz and NBC for money.

She probably stayed friends with him thinking he would help in the comedy business, but he never did. When I read the complaints months ago, I cringed at how she believed that she would eventually work at SNL as a writer and she considered her activities as networking. I think back then most cast members just viewed her as a groupie type who was desperate to be seen as some kind of "cool kid".

This is a weird case where being washed up actually helped sanz. This really did not receive much media attention because everyone had sort of forgotten him.

Is Sanz fuckable now that he’s slimmed down?

He's slimmed down?

He lost some weight a few years back. Maybe he's gained it back.

R205 he may have helped her but that doesn't guarantee success. In the end, she would have to have some talent as a writer.

Also, her saying she thought she would be working in the comedy field, that could be rewritten history from an adult perspective. Originally, it seemed her motive was to get close to Jimmy Fallon because she found him hot.

In 2022, you can't invite a 17-year old to an SNL party. But she supposedly blackmailed Sanz for 7 million. Plus, she probably has a history that would not win her sympathy in a courtroom. She tried to get the public on her side but failed to generate much interest on social media. Both parties realized it was best to settle. I doubt she got as much as she wanted.

Horatio after the weight loss, I have no idea if he found the weight he lost.

I'm not defending Sanz at all but it's always worth pointing out when someone like Sanz is accused of these sorts of things that the public is far more likely to point fingers and call him a creepy child molestor than they would someone thinner and more attractive. He has a creepy fat perv look, and that's the male equivalent of a post-menopausal woman with a wart on her face being accused of witchcraft, while a gorgeous busty young woman who wears a vial of human blood around her neck is called a sexy vamp. If a 35-year-old Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise had a fawning 17-year-old hanging around with him on set, many people would call that creepy but most would call the girl an ambitious young golddigger who lucked out.

Of all the cast members this girl could've fan-girl'd over, she chose Horatio Sanz?

Right there is a red flag of poor judgement.

[quote]Of all the cast members this girl could've fan-girl'd over, she chose Horatio Sanz?

What's wrong with Horatio?

Skinny Horatio doesn't look THAT bad.

It's not just his weight R215, it comes down to his lack of charisma on the show itself. He was always just a minor play with no real break out characters other than Carol.

[quote] What's wrong with Horatio?

Apparently "Hellen" couldn't spell either.