I’ve decided the thing about prince Andrew was a shakedown by Virginia Giuffre

You have the critical thinking skills of a third grader.

It was a weak case.

But a strong settlement.

Virginia consented.

And Virginia previously accepted a contractual NDA payment.

The girl did the best she could.

Better than anyone would have ever dreamed.

I agree. She’s become a wealthy woman, worth millions from this scam. I think she was a very willing partner. I think Maxwell was her role model. As for the settlement going to her charity, big deal. She probably takes a big chunk as salary, her husband another chunk as a consultant, and her vile father another chunk.

Yeah. Wouldn’t the charity have to file disclosure forms? I would be interested in seeing how much money reaches victims. You also forget that her lawyers will be getting something.

OP=Fergie. Virginia Giuffre was 17 when Andrew fucked her the first time.

Oh I think he did it for sure. But I also think she and her attorneys saw this as a big chance for enrichment, for her and them. Receiving a huge financial payout isn't going to change one thing about what happened to her. If all it takes is a boatload of money to make her happy again, well she wasn't really that upset about it all along.

I wonder if it was more a young person damaged throughout life, who went to the dark side?

The only thing I think is certain is in a year or so, this story will look a lot different. I don't know how exactly, but I don't believe for a minute it ends here.

He fucked a willing prostitute who was a year or so underage. He's tacky but so was she.

Amazing that a 17 year old girl hatched a plan and put it into motion and was able to knock the British Monarchy on it's ear. Says a lot for your Royals. Wait until you see what the smart adult one from California has in store

She wasn’t even underage in the jurisdiction where it was supposed to have occurred.

I doubt any plan was launched at age 17. Nice try.

Who is the smart adult one in California? And isn’t Giuffre an adult?

Of course it was a shakedown! And good for her. He’s a disgusting pig who fucked a girl who was CLEARLY in a sketchy situation and under the control of an unsavory character in a foreign (to her) country. She might have been a hooker, but she was also an unsophisticated 17 year-old and he was a middle-aged prince of England.

Good grief! What possible mental gymnastics could Andrew have done to justify an unrelated 17 year-old American lacking parental supervision partying with a middle-aged couple in London? And then to not only fail to question it, but to have sex with her?

First he had to know her age. Then second, human nature sees what it wants or needs to see, especially when your dick is behind the wheel. Not an excuse but perhaps an explanation for his idiocy. I don't think he's smart enough to be evil and the one and only thing I will say for his side of the mess is that this is the only allegation that's emerged and these days, pile ons are the rule, not the exception.

R14, you make good points. Given that interview he did, I can believe he is stupid enough to have legitimately overlooked all the red flags. I’m still not outraged that Virginia got a payoff, though.

- R13

I was a pretty sheltered suburban 17 year old kid, and when I was around middle aged men, I knew it wasn't to read my fucking ABCs.

Unless she was kept in an attic the first 17 years of her life, she can't have been that sheltered.

r13 Gets it

Andrew represents the Queen, the Monarchy and the British people. When the 17 year old girl was offered up to him if any of that crossed his mind he should have said, "No thanks, I'm out" and left.

He deserves everything that's coming to him

I don't think she was unsophisticated but 100% the big A-hole should have just said no.

I don't think he thought about her age for a minute. I think he'd been banging teens since he was a teen and just kept doing it.

But he kept hanging around Epstein even after the conviction, and he tried to weasel his way out of this instead of just paying her off, and he told stupid lies, so now he's getting what he deserves. He has a whole history of grifting and being a ne'er-do-well and something like this was bound to happen. Hell, it could happen again, given the life he's lead.

No 17-year-old is sophisticated. Jaded perhaps, but not sophisticated. And he saw a pretty, young girl, and did what he’s always done because he never had to face the ramifications of his actions.

Fergie must be enraged. She got bubkis in the divorce and has been scrounging for money ever since.

Fergie's too drunk to care as long as she has a roof over her head she's good

Hahahahha OP. Let me guess, you think that whore Meghan raped the girl and blamed Andrew for it right, Klan Granny?

No way OP.

And here they are... all two of them.

R23, right on cue ...

Her taking 10 m and giving only 2 m to that "charity" (which sounds rather fishy in itself, tbf) is all I need to know about this woman.

This of course doesn't change the fact that Andrew is a disgusting sleazebag.

She had been prostituting herself at least for a couple of years. Women mature before men. She knew what he was after. She was rejected by her parents and she was like a boy pickpocket who then declares complete innocence after picking somebody's wallet.

I was on her side but the money was clearly so dazzling he doesn't have to do what she said was the most important thing: acknowledge her and what he had done. It was nothing after all but a huge scam. And now mean nasty Andrew will get to play Prince again with his patronages, military uniforms and billionaire's lifestyle while pissing on the people of England who paid off this woman to the tune of a lawyer's happy grin.

Fergie loves Verbier. This is a blow to her and the princesses. Verbier is an expensive tacky party town that the world has misunderstood as chic.

I think Andrew is probably scum. But I have said all along this girl thought I’m going to have sex with a prince. I also think this girl also had already been around the block a couple of times and wise beyond her years.

[quote] And now mean nasty Andrew will get to play Prince again with his patronages, military uniforms

None of this will happen. He’s finished.

R31 I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

Girls, Girls don't fight! Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre are both low life scum! And Fergie and Megan are both narcissistic grifters.

@r26, I'm sure r23, is just devastated by your blockage... You should see what they wrote about you since. Wow!

"She settled, so it MUST be a shakedown. Nothing to do at all with a structural rule designed to strong-arm settlements."

Says a dumbass.

R1 and R6 - Does she deserve any blame at all? She was 17 after all. I suppose she could have been manipulated, but this wasn’t some chained up trapped girl who was raped. She settled once with Epstein and didn’t say a thing until after he was dead. She clearly wanted to enrich herself. I don’t subscribe to the rule of it being taboo to question the honesty of some women who make claims of sexual assault. The claim that women don’t lie about these things is complete fiction.

I gave her the benefit of the doubt, especially when seeing her statements not long ago where she said she didn’t want a settlement. But when the right dollar amount was waved in front of her, she grabbed it and exposed what this entire thing has been about the whole time. She’s a grifter.

Royalty has its prerogatives.

In terms of him being a public persona, Andrew is and will remain toast.

The case has been settled right in time prior to HMTQ's Jubilee celebrations. But this doesn't mean Andrew will get to play a role -- any role, that is -- in those celebrations.

@r36, So a 17 year old girl up against the likes of Maxwell, Epstein and Windsor and you think SHE'S the grifter for evening the score a bit?

Glad I'm not your kid

Let's put aside the fact that she was 17 years old and focus on the fact that she was trafficked by Epstein instead, since some of you like to play dumb because she was 17 when she had sex with Randy Andy. It's still wrong and illegal, even if you don't consider her age.

People are trying to rewrite history and forget that Epstein's involvement with underaged girls landed him in prison twice. Virginia Giuffre is just one of his victims, and Andrew is just one of Epstein's criminal clients. I want to hear from the other victims and see a full list of every man who enlisted Epstein's services. People should be outraged over the fact that we might never know who was in Epstein's little book instead of worrying how much money Giuffre got for her charity.

That chick is one of Epstein's victims who made other girls victims by luring them into Epstein's sex pest net, and now shamelessly cashes in on it.

Sorry, but that's all I need to know about her.

Hanging out with Epstein—especially following his first conviction—is the main reason Andrew should be exiled from royal family.

I don’t consider his sleeping with a 17 year old a big deal, except he had to know she was being pumped by Epstein.

For all his faults and dimwittedness, I don’t think Andrew has a reputation as a sex pest. Have any other women accused him of acting untoward?

He is a complete dumbass, though.

r40, I wouldn't be surprised if people who outrank the Queen knew if this went to trial even more embarrassing and criminal activity would come to light so they demanded that the BRF shut it down and settle.

100 WWs to R13 and R40.

Hi Virginia @ R44.

Even though the case was always a financial shakedown, Andrew and the family should have paid it off immediately, despite it setting a bad precedent.

She shoud be sued by all the girls she enticed to work for jeffrey.

Sex trafficking means crossing state lines & prostitution, not necessarily forcible rape. The Mann Act ("transporting women across state lines for immoral purposes") was the original name of the law. The most notable prosecution was a black man named Jack Johnson, who allegedly crossed state lines with a white woman prostitute. Johnson was found by an all-white jury. Most people would now admit that the prosecution was selective and racially-motivated.

In 2018, Donald Trump posthumously pardoned Johnson.

I'm posting the Wikipedia page re: the Mann Act and it does list G. Maxwell.

This should be the current version of the Mann Act / sex trafficking.

I was on her side feeling that she was representing all used exploited children. But she's an adult now and wanted it established in no uncertain terms what was going on. She wanted a trial and an acknowledgement of what happened. She folded when enough money was offered. She was willing to be bought. And she's far too old for it to be a case of justice and integrity which she made it out to be. Was she threatened by those with connections to the royal family? I won't count that out.

"She wanted a trial and an acknowledgement of what happened. She folded when enough money was offered." - She always wanted money, r50. She'd been trying to get Andrew to pay out for years, and it was only when she couldn't get him to do that that she went to court. She wasn't interested in an acknowledgement of what happened.

I always found it interesting that the prosecutors never called her in Maxwell's trial. What came out about her in 2015 during her Epstein lawsuit made her seem like a willing participant who enjoyed the money. And her procuring other underaged girls for Epstein is problematic.

This is a tale with no likeable characters.

Abolish the Monarchy and Nonce were trending yesterday and today. Try all you want brf trolls. The damage is done.

The Queen is trembling on the throne.

I think part of the thrill for Epstein, Dershowitz, Andrew, etc was the very fact that girls were underage. It’s not that they were hottest girls around; Epstein could’ve hired gorgeous Russian professional models/prostitutes in their 20s and 30s who were happily willing to service these trolls for a fee, but that wouldn’t have fulfilled the specific kink: Reluctant, underage girls.

r52, it was mentioned above or in one of the other threads that the Maxwell prosecutors found her unreliable and they had other, more trustworthy witnesses.

Gloria Allred was her attorney for awhile and dropped her as a client, saying she kept changing her story and Allred caught her in a few outfight lies.

I don't know this girl's back story and I'm not overly interested in searching for it. But where were her parents? How did a 17 year old girl get involved with that nest of perverts in the first place? Was she already living on her own at 17? What kind of family does she come from?

Could anybody possibly tell me what the fuck he was thinking when he consented to the BBC interview in 2019? I have no words to describe the damage he did to himself. He bypassed his advisers and went ahead with it. Is he really that filled with château bottled hubris?

Wasn't it reported that Fergie talked him into the interview?

He was obviously making it up as he went along in that interview. Not one thing he said was true. And he's clearly not very intelligent so that made him even more unconvincing.

R38, I think the answer lies in the dangers of growing up and being part of a royal family. Some of its members believe, with all the bowing and scraping, that they are special and, therefore, more intelligent. Andrew and Harry both suffer from this syndrome. It's called arrogance. All the royals have it to a degree, but Andrew took it to unprecedented levels, thinking he could staunch the bleeding by giving the interview. And all he did was dig himself deeper. William, the Queen, and Anne seem to have sufficient humility and can recognize that they fell into the circumstance of being royal...they didn't earn it. And, therefore, they strive to achieve what they can within the role that they find themselves. But they don't pronounce about things about which they know nothing (e.g., like Harry) or carry themselves as if they are entitled to special treatment (e.g., Andrew). I'm not equating Andrew and Harry -- their cases are different. But they both believed they deserved the bowing and scraping that goes on around them.

With all that cash can she clean up her gash?

Jennifer Giuffre is dead to me - from suicide.

You sound like those people trying to undermine SafeSport.

[quote] What possible mental gymnastics could Andrew have done to justify an unrelated 17 year-old American lacking parental supervision partying with a middle-aged couple in London?

Ummm..Have you ever met a heterosexual man?

[quote] Could anybody possibly tell me what the fuck he was thinking when he consented to the BBC interview in 2019?

One of the astonishing things about that interview is how satisfied he seems about his performance. You can tell he’s thinking, “well, I certainly aced that one!”

R63 - Jennifer?

My confusion surrounds in the premise that she was homeless but her dad got her a job at Mar a Lago. Are both things true? I could be misunderstanding that part. Then a couple weeks ago, she got into that bus accident but it seemed suspicious.

I had the same feeling about Virginia Giuffre's story regarding Prince Andrew as I did about Jussie Smollett's story about being attacked. When I pointed out how absurd Jussie's story was, I was verbally attacked by friends and colleagues. Eventually I did the "I told you so dance" and I believe that's not the last time I'll be doing that dance.

Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre's suicide has led to a vicious attack from Prince Andrew's ex-girlfriend, Victoria Hervey.

Giuffre, back in 2021, sued the Duke of York for sexually abusing her as a minor. The case was later settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

Following Virginia Giuffre's suicide, Victoria Hervey made a vile post where she claimed that the Epstein victim's "lies" had caught up with her.

In the wake of Virginia Giuffre's death, Prince Andrew's ex, Victoria Hervey, wasted no time dragging her name through the mud over the past accusations the Epstein victim made about the Duke of York.

The actress shared a news report about Giuffre's suicide on her Instagram Story, adding a vile caption that seemed to suggest she got what was coming to her.

"When lies catch up to you, there's no way out," Hervey remarked mockingly, per the Daily Mail.

Following the post, Hervey faced backlash from social media users who called her remarks "cruel," "vile," and "despicable."

The criticism appeared to make her pause her attacks on Giuffre, which she acknowledged in a second post to her story two hours later.

"I have taken the decision to pause my posts on Virginia Giuffre at this time," she said. "Irrespective of the circumstances, suicide in anyone at any time is tragic, and in a young mother who has children, even more so."

R70 - Victoria Hervey seems like a spoiled aristocratic bitch with no life success at all. Her Wiki is just won L after another.

She even admitted that Victoria herself felt like bait for Ghislaine to get other girls to Epstein's parties. WTF?

Fuck that spoiled rotten bitch.