Law & Order Reboot Cast Confirmed

Cool, I like Jeffrey Donovan

Hugh Dancy as the fourth ADA on Law & Order (after Ben Stone, Jack McCoy and Michael Cutter)

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I loathe that wonky eyed Jeffrey Fucking Donovan with the heat of then billion galaxies.

What a Maroun.

Wow, Hugh Dancy is turning into a silver daddy

I heard Camryn celebrated by getting her ears pierced.

The only thing that could make it better is if Donovan's character and Dancy's are married to each other.

As long as Sam Waterson's Jack McCoy is on there I'm fine, though I would've liked Linus Roache's Michael Cutter to return as well.

Promo.

Promo #2

Pleasse don't fuck this up!!

"I'll allow it but watch it Mr. McCoy."

thats awesome i miss watchinv camryn manheim

WE Channel showing OG "L&O" marathon....

RFN!!

Starting with S1, E1!

^^^As in NOW!

Should the LAW people be under ORDER and vice versa?

Fuck. I love Jeffrey Donovan and Hugh Dancy, but I hated Anthony Anderson's character the last couple of seasons. Especially that one scene where he explained to his partner how unions work using a muffin.

I am excited but why are they bringing "The Practice" actors into all these L&O shows now? They don't belong there.

I can see myself getting into this!

Anthony Anderson is great in everything he is in. He is pretty consistent and is very underrated as an actor.

Jeffrey Donovan seems kinda basic. I don't know him. He's probably ok.

Camryn Manheim will be great. I love the no nonsense persona she brings to her characters. I'm glad to see her back on tv.

Hugh Dancy is the mandatory eye candy. He is KEY- YUTE!!!!!

Odelya Halevi is unknown to me but she's pretty!

Sam Waterston is the Law and Order G.O.A.T. Seeing him is what makes this reboot worthwhile. To be 81 and still working is amazing! Kudos to Sam!

Ahhh, it's a comfortable, familiar format.

No Van Buren? Fail!

Too many old fat women with too many ear holes.

I'm confused. So this is a reboot of the original lao that had no second name/subtitle? If so when did it go off the air? I thought Sam Waterston was dead.

I've never watched any of the Law & Order shows but I remember Jerry Orbach and Chris Noth being part of the original cast.

I wish their was a place for Eames

I wished that Jesse L. Martin would’ve returned to the show.

There, not their, god fucking damn it.

Strong cast.

Terrible script. Poor dialogue and a boring plot. Especially for the debut. They should have pushed it back.

The cast is good except for Anthony Anderson. Does anyone in the L&O fanbase love his character? Was there some sort of demand for him to be brought back?

Camryn Manheim may be the bulldyke commanding officer the L&O franchise has been waiting for. (Sorry, Mariska.)

No, don’t like Anderson r32.

Oof—just watched the first episode, and hated nearly everything about it. Bad script, bad casting, and even the sets are shit now: classic L&O had a drab municipal feel to the police squad room & ADA offices. Even the new courtroom set feels phony and theatrical.

This “restart” has all the feel and tone of SVU featuring Officer Frowny Face & Friends, aka a steaming pile of shit.

Guess it’s back to watching reruns on WeTV.

R28, Jerry Orbach was NOT part of the original cast. Yes, Chris Noth was, but his character Mike Logan had TWO partners before Lennie Briscoe arrived. In season one actor George Dzunda as Max Greevey (killed after one season). The Paul Sorvino was brought in as Phil Cerreta. He lasted two, maybe two and a half seasons. Character was shot in a gun buy... did not return to being a detective, took a desk job (made the wife very happy).

The Lennie arrived.

The squad room set did look really chintzy, like a college play set in a police station.

Surprising, because SVU's main set has become increasingly luxe, and even the Organized Crime homebase has a flair to it.

Overall it's like NBC was very "meh, whatever" about this revival and didn't spare a thought beyond casting.

Very curious decision.

I'm not mad at this.

Anderson and Donovan were terrible.

Seeing Carey Lowell was the highlight for me.

Does Jeffrey Donovan realize he's doing a Boston accent?

[quote] Seeing Carey Lowell was the highlight for me.

I missed the first episode, how Carey Lowell fit into the first episode? Was she the judge?

She's still an ADA. The cops stopped by to question her about the death of a guy who was set free after she fucked up a case.

Carey Lowell looks absolutely nothing like she used to.

[quote] Carey Lowell looks absolutely nothing like she used to.

I'm watching it on PVR - and yet another victim of plastic surgery

If you didn't tell me this was Carey Lowell, I would have never recognized her. She looks like Deanna Dunagan

[quote] Officer Frowny Face

My next new drag persona.

Where is the ghost of Claire Kincaid?? (Jill Hennessey needs the work).

Is she still in the trunk?

Watching now on PVR - they are marginalizing the female ADA - she practically has nothing do - she doesn't do the bail hearing (all past female ADA did so) - doesn't accompany the Lead Prosecutor in judges chambers

Why even bother have a 2nd chair?

Jill Hennessy is a regular on City on a Hill and she looks gorgeous.

What happened to Jill Hennessey’s career, really? She had her own show with Crossing Jordan, and then she vanished.

R49 she has kids now and only works when she wants to

[quote]Is she still in the trunk?

That wasn't Jill Hennessy. Claire Kincaid was in a bad car accident that left her brain dead (she died off screen many episodes later).

The one in the trunk was Alexandra Borgia - Annie Parisse - who was really good and I have no idea why they killed her off as soon as they did.

The wife of the guy who shot sounded like she thought she was starring in Midnight In The Garden of Good & Evil. The way she delivered her lines was so OTT.

Annie "the one in the trunk" Parisse was my second-favorite ADA in the L&O universe. (Stephanie March on SVU being #1.)

She could actually act and really brought it in her scenes.

So they killed her off and replaced her with a succession of no-talents.

[quote] Annie Parisse - who was really good and I have no idea why they killed her off as soon as they did.

She felt working on Law & Order was just phoning in lines and reciting legal jargon, and that isn't real acting. She asked to be released from her contract, and said she didn't mind being killed off as at least she would be able to do some sort of acting in her last episode.

I would be straight for Claire Kincaid.

I liked Diane Neal as Casey on SVU as well. She may be a mess in her personal life, but she was really good on SVU.

Will Detective Munch be returning, or has Richard Belzer gone to ground like the John Malkovich character in Red?

I am counting on the hope that it takes several episodes for the cast to gel. The new detective: “I speak my mind.” But he’s okay with body cams. Ugh. Cathryn Mannheim wasn’t convincing, which surprised me. It’s like she was just sitting at the table during the read-thru. Hugh Dancy, he was okay but the female lawyer, shades of “Hang ‘em all’ Angie Harmon.

The writing: omg, it wasn’t the defense attorney asking for the confession to be thrown out? That’s L&O 101. The ADA volunteered to exclude it? JFC. The victim’s wife: “I never turn on the security cameras even though my husband is the most hated man in America. I’m from a small town and we don’t hold with newfangled gadgets” and the cops didn’t roll their eyes hearing that?

And what was the final scenario, defendant shoots victim in self defense? That was still a viable theory right? The prosecution didn’t disprove it.

I was underwhelmed but I live in hope.

[quote]Cathryn Mannheim wasn’t convincing

I can't help but wonder why.

Camryn Mannheim is taking the place of one of the most popular actors/characters ever in L&O history. They gave her absolutely nothing to do and she didn’t bring anything of her own to the part. That was a fail.

And the new female ada- she’s awful.

I was thrilled to see Jamie Ross back but my how the actress has aged. But I guess 1997/98 was a long time ago.

[QUOTE] Camryn Mannheim is taking the place of one of the most popular actors/characters ever in L&O history.

Was Epatha Merkerson really that popular though? I always thought she was ok but I didn't tune in to see her.

[QUOTE] The cast is good except for Anthony Anderson. Does anyone in the L&O fanbase love his character? Was there some sort of demand for him to be brought back?

I always like Anderson back when he was on the original series. However his acting seemed very rusty on the new episode.

It's too bad they didn't bring Jeremy Sisto back for the reboot.

[quote]Camryn Mannheim is taking the place of one of the most popular actors/characters ever in L&O history.

S. Epatha was the equivalent of wallpaper. Nobody *loved* her. That character was just an exposition machine, played by an actor who clung to a sweet TV gig with a death grip.

[quote]She felt working on Law & Order was just phoning in lines and reciting legal jargon, and that isn't real acting. She asked to be released from her contract, and said she didn't mind being killed off as at least she would be able to do some sort of acting in her last episode.

I don't buy this about Annie Parisse. The show was in its 11th season when she joined—she knew what it was about.

She took over from the awful Elisabeth Rohm, who made me stop watching. I started again when I saw the good reviews for Annie. And she was really good!

The real reason is that the ratings slipped and NBC pressured Dick Wolf to put some eye candy back in that slot, so Parisse was dropped and they put that blank de la Garza robot in, along with some cheap tail on the detective side who didn't last. That's when they lost me as a viewer for good.

Can the new series somehow be used to bring awareness to Mariska's severe jowl problem?

She's very difficult to look at these days.

So is Kelli Giddish — whoever's doing makeup and lighting on SVU is making the women look 10 years older than their actual ages.

Not only does Carey Lowell look like hot garbage after what appears to be way too much plastic surgery + Botox, but the writers for this shit couldn’t even be bothered to remember that Jamie Ross made multiple appearances as a judge in L&O: Trial By Jury. Who the fuck gets elected to the New York Supreme Court (term: 14 years) and then goes back to being a fucking ADA? This shit is so lazy and preposterous, a pox on the legacy of the original L&O.

[quote]She took over from the awful Elisabeth Rohm, who made me stop watching.

Was that because I'm a lesbian?

Was anyone else disappointed that they used a sex crime (well sort of) for the first episode? I was looking for a break from that since that's nonstop talking about rape victims on SVU.

[QUOTE] S. Epatha was the equivalent of wallpaper. Nobody *loved* her. That character was just an exposition machine, played by an actor who clung to a sweet TV gig with a death grip.

Agree R64. She wasn't off-putting like Rohm but at the same time no one was tuning in to see her.

Hugh Dancy is a decent actor. I hope he can grow into this role and save the show. But Thursday's episode was kind of a mess so I'm not super optimistic.

I have nothing against Manheim but she's more suited to comedic roles so she's a distraction on this show.

[quote]I have nothing against Manheim but she's more suited to comedic roles so she's a distraction on this show.

She had a brief run playing a similar character on the last season of Major Crimes. I thought she did okay at both things.

[quote] I don't buy this about Annie Parisse. The show was in its 11th season when she joined—she knew what it was about. The real reason is that the ratings slipped and NBC pressured Dick Wolf to put some eye candy back in that slot, so Parisse was dropped and they put that blank de la Garza robot in, along with some cheap tail on the detective side who didn't last. That's when they lost me as a viewer for good.

Not according to Annie Parisse, she asked to be released from her contract - she wanted OUT

Here is what she told NewsDay

I'd asked to leave the show. And they'd wanted to do an episode where one of the main characters gets murdered. A producer said, "We may end up doing that. Umm . . . don't take it the wrong way." It was a total blast. On "Law & Order," the big emotional scenes always go to guest stars, because the stories are really about them. It was suddenly like I was the guest star and things were happening to me.

Newsday - It seemed they were taking revenge on you for leaving.

People always tell me, "That was terrible what they did to you." I try to comfort them by telling them I had a really good time doing it.

Newsday - Why'd you want to leave a steady gig?

I became an actor because I wanted to join the circus . . . basically. I like the adventure of going from job to job to job. Not knowing what's next. That's just my crazy personality. [She laughs.] That said, with a kid, maybe I'll change my tune. Not yet, though . . . not yet.

R72 she's not the biggest problem with the reboot. The problem is that new female ADA -- lifeless -- and more importantly the general atmosphere on the show.

I understand the show is going to be updated -- it's been over 10 years since the original ended -- but as others mentioned something seems "off" with the sets and the lack of tension, and the music.

I'm going to continue to watch in the hope that it improves. First episodes of a new show are rarely the best ones.

The thing that disappoints me is the lack of an Asian actor as one of the show regulars

Over the past 20 years they have had every ethnic group and visible minority represented on the show as one of the series regulars - except a person of Asian descent

It would have been refreshing to have the Lieutenant or the female DA be a female Asian.

I agree R75. Replace Mannheim with an Asian male. Although L&O has comic relief moments, its not a comedy like The Practice, and Mannheim is a distraction.

If they were going to have her on the show she would have been much better as a recurring defense attorney character.

Manheim is the only thing I liked about the show.

To each his own R77...

And it worked R73. That was one of the best episodes of L&O, when Borgia was murdered.

[quote] That was one of the best episodes of L&O, when Borgia was murdered.

and she went out on a high note

R75 I thought at one point BD Wong was a series regular on SVU? I do agree though, it would have been nice to see an Asian actor/actress in the reboot - as one of the detectives IMO.

Bring on Ming Na Wen. She elevates everything she’s in.

R 73, I think saying Parise wanted out was a gift to her. Saying she was fired for not being hot enough would have been nasty. So they made up a story that let her leave with her dignity intact.

R81 i thought wong too, but i think that poster was referring to mothership, not svu.

They tried casting an Arab -- Kat -- on SVU and then summarily dumped the character from the show.

They should have inverted the DA mix, and had a woman as the senior and a man as a junior.

I like Halevi but the rest are awful, including Anderson. I knew Donovan’s casting would be a terrible mistake. His monkey face is unwatchable and he looks noticeably uncomfortable. I bet he hates working with that obnoxious piece of shit Anderson.

R87 I liked Anderson on the original run but it seemed like he was hamming it up on the reboot sometimes...forgot how to act, or phoning it in? It was jarring.

And what's with those micro-cornrows? That doesn't seem like a hairstyle a detective would have.

That makes sense R84. I got caught up in the L&O megaverse.

Parisse doesn't look too upset...

Boring, predictable premiere. Mannhein and Donovan were uniformly awful, totally miscast, and poor Sam Waterston was just phoning it in. It would've been nice if they had given him a scene with the unrecognizable Carey Lowell, besides that quick glance they gave each other when she exited the courtroom.. The only bright spot for me was Dancy. I think he has potential. I usually love Norm Lewis, and it's a shame they killed his character off before the intro credits.

I agree with your assessment R91.

I think they had a sex crime angle on the premiere to lure in viewers who were too young to watch the original mothership but who may have seen SVU.

Can someone explain to me exactly why Rohm is so universally hated by fans? I'm not a devotee but the reruns I've seen with her I have liked.

R94 her acting was considered flat and robotic. Hence the Rohmbot nickname.

I liked it overall, but there were a few things that bothered me. The original show always had a gritty look and feel to it, and that seems to be gone, they've made it more glossy like SVU. I also agree with r67 about Jamie Ross being a Supreme Court judge in multiple episodes of LO: Trial by Jury, it is a bad look to not follow the past stories, and like many others have said, Carey Lowell is very unrecognizable, for such a beautiful woman on the original run, it looks like she's had some bad plastic surgery.

R70. It’s just not true that Epatha wasn’t one of the reasons people tuned. She had smarts, a toughness, and a world-weary quality, and, eventually, an interesting story arc. She was always better than the writing.

I didn’t tune in *because* of S. Epatha but she made the show better. She was very believable. Mannheim was just reading dialog. I’m sure she can do better. The whole show felt off, like every character was going in a different direction.

[quote] I also agree with [R67] about Jamie Ross being a Supreme Court judge in multiple episodes of LO: Trial by Jury

They seem to have basically forgotten that both Trial by Jury and LOLA existed.

I do agree that Epatha was better than Manheim.

But that's not saying much.

Was the actress playing the wife making choices to seem like Phylicia Rashad, or was she just that mannered?

IDK but her acting was godawful R101. One of many problems with this episode.

I just couldn't decide if she was attempting to be Claire Huxtable, in which case it was a good impulse that she didn't pull off, or was just bad.

It was very Claire Huxtable, as the episode was clearly (and poorly) based on the Bill Cosby scandal.

I guess they couldn't include a "ripped from the headlines" teaser on the network that Cosby (re)built in the 80's.

Are they bringing back Big?

well if she was trying to portray "claire" then it is clever. Unfortunately it went over my head during my viewing and probably over the heads of every millenial and gen z viewer.

[quote]It was very Claire Huxtable, as the episode was clearly (and poorly) based on the Bill Cosby scandal.

I'll give her points for trying for it, even if the end result was less than satisfying. At least she was attempting something. I actually thought the woman who did the crime was worse.

Carey Lowell was throwing intense Power Lesbian vibes.

I felt so bad for Lowell -- whatever work she had done on her face went terribly wrong. She was one of my favorite actors from the original.

Or....is it possible she had a stroke and that's what changed her appearance? (yes I'm being serious).

It didn’t look like she’d had (much) plastic surgery or botox (her jawline looked pretty good). I just thought her skin looked rough. Most of them are doing regular peels, if not laser resurfacing to get that smooth, glowing look.

Manheim seemed like she was playing it for laughs. I'm surprised she didn't pause for a canned laugh track every time she said something amusing. Also agree with the poster above who said that the NYC grittiness of the original series was lost and it just seemed too glossy and overproduced.

R110 that was the point I was trying to make about "The Practice" and it's cast. Yes that show did have some good episodes but it was a comedy and at the same time somehow a depressing downer. L&O is neither although it does have serious subject matter. These "Practice" retreads are bad juju for L&O franchise.

The guy who played the murderess's husband is cute!

[quote] I don't buy this about Annie Parisse.

So what? Your opinion is just that- an opinion. You decided she wasn’t hot enough and was fired. That doesn’t make it true.

[quote] So they made up a story that let her leave with her dignity intact.

You have zero proof of that. It’s all just your assumption.

[quote] Manheim seemed like she was playing it for laughs

Really? If that’s her idea of playing for laughs, no wonder she hasn’t worked that much lately.

[quote]do agree though, it would have been nice to see an Asian actor/actress in the reboot

Then I’m your guy! I can do either!

Oh, fuck off, R113. We're as free to express our opinions and point out potential PR maneuvers as you are to be a pointless twat.

And your post was truly pointless.

In your case, you’re passing your own made up supposition off as fact. And that IS pointless. Fuck off yourself, bitch.

Ready to take over as the new lieutenant!

This was hot garbage. Ok, so for starters they didn't have a typical L & O opener with NYCers bickering then finding a dead body. That always gave the show a NYC feel, this could've taken place in any US city. Then there was too much forced drama between the liberal and conservative characters. And overall it was just bad writing and most of them seemed bored. The only halfway decent acting was by the ADA chick that looks like AOC (and they're all good actors at other times).

I'm giving this one more episode and if it's as bad as this, I'm done.

I would, however, like to see a cameo by Janine Garafalo where she charges into the squadroom smoking a quick burning cigarette and barks to Camryn Manheim: "Fuck off Toby!"

Odelya Halevi skirts were too short. She's OK.

I miss Adam Schiff - Steven Hill did such a great job with him.

I forgot where I heard this but Annie Parrisse’s hair got continually FRIED because Dick Wolf kept on ordering them to come up with new hairstyles for her.

Despite her single appearance on L&O - Carey Lowell has pretty much retired from acting

She is now immersing herself in (wait for it) CERAMICS

OK insert the jokes now

I'd believe it, R122.

Remember they made Diane Neal go blonde, even though it didn't look natural with her coloring at all. But they wanted her to look like Stephanie March.

Maybe that's what made her go nuts—all that bleach seeped into her brain.

By the way, has anyone checked on Diane recently? Is she OK? Or is she trying to dig her way out of a trailer that's piled ceiling-high with QVC boxes and cat skeletons?

Carey Lowell looks like an older version of herself in that picture at r123. But she did not look like that on the show.

Diane Neal had auburn hair for her initial run on SVU. She didn’t go blonde until they brought her back for a few episodes about the same time they brought Stephanie March back.

Poor Diane looks like she’s been doing a lot of comfort eating. (Pic is three years old. Maybe she’s lost it?)

Ugh. This Thursday's episode wasn't any better than last week's. And I've decided it's not Camryn causing the problem -- she's not even on onscreen enough to do that. It's just -- everything is wrong with this.

Hugh Dancy and that ADA woman are trying but I don't think they can save this.

I don't understand the praise above for the ADA character. She looks like gargoyle, they're dressing her like a whore and she can't act her way out of the proverbial paper bag.

I don't think she's all that either R127 but at least she appears animated, unlike some of the other cast members.

They did another MeToo episode this week. Is this really what they think viewers of the Mothership reboot want to see?

I've only seen the first episode, and it's ok, but a lot of you are way off.

1. Anthony Anderson is the only one who seems to have any life in him. The lawyers, especially, are bland robots.

2. I loved S. Epatha. But then, I'm a sucker for a black woman who's Had It Up To Here With Your Nonsense.

3. They should maybe the white cop even crazier. They're soft-pedaling his MAGA tendencies and they should just come out with it. Basically all white cops that are (at least in NYC) are like that.

4. I think a lot of you are letting your memory of Law and Order be misty and unclear. If you watch any of the episodes from the Glory Days, they're sort of bad.

Anderson is as lifeless and unimpressive on this as he was during his first run. My channel guide had this episode as #3. How much worse could episode #2 have been?

[QUOTE] If you watch any of the episodes from the Glory Days, they're sort of bad.

Seriously? If they were bad none of us would have ever tuned into the reboot.

[QUOTE] They should maybe the white cop even crazier. They're soft-pedaling his MAGA tendencies and they should just come out with it. Basically all white cops that are (at least in NYC) are like that.

That is an interesting idea but then wouldn't they have to boot the character eventually, because of the political sensitivities of the show?

Did anyone watch SVU this week, or last week? The episode last week got a bad review on the AllThingsLawAndOrder blog so I skipped it. Should I bother watching them?

Everyone saw the Glory Days episodes when standards for Good TV were different. Today, they seem dated and cheap and formulaic. Or can.

But I mean 22 episodes a year, some will hold up.

R135 I still watch some of those "glory days" episodes on peacock and I find they hold up. It isn't nostalgia. The plots were better and the characters were more compelling.

Of course the show ran for 20 years though. If you watch the eps from '90, '91 of course some of them will seem dated.

R135 if you want an example, watch "His Hour Upon the Stage". It's from the second season. Lots of plot twists and turns, interesting characters. You have to pay attention to keep up with it.

In contrast the Elizabeth Holmes episode on Thurs. was completely wan, by the numbers. And I don't believe she would bring up her arm injury on the stand when she knew it could be disproved easily. She was smarter than that.

R7- He’s good looking. I would do him.

R129, Thursday's episode was obviously a ripped from the headlines episode based on Elizabeth Holmes, the Theranos woman. For some reason she seems hot again this week. There's a Hulu streaming series debuting about her and last night, ABC's 20/20 did a two hour episode about her.

They should ask Jerry Ohrbachs back and offer him the world.

I'm surprised they didn't bring Linus Roache back. I thought he was good, and he's still young enough not to be jarring. I recently found out he's English and I was amazed. He does a really good American accent. I like Hugh Dancy but you can tell he's suppressing his English accent.

Is Carey Lowell family? I don’t care. She seems like a cool person IRL.

I know somebody that did some interior design work (my friend was just the grunt person, hanging drapes and moving furniture, etc) for Carey Lowell back when she was married to Richard Gere. By all reports she was extremely gracious and down to earth and didn't treat them like the hired help.

That said, she still looked kind of weird and simian in the premiere episode. I barely recognized her--maybe after some time her botox/peels/surgery will settle. I feel bad for these women with odd plastic.

When I saw Carey Lowell in the first episode, I couldn't recognize her face (or her hair).

The voice caught me as recognizable, but I wasn't sure, but then her posture was the same.

Wasn't her hair a bit lighter in the original?

Always liked her character.

When does Elizabeth Rohm show up?

The actress who plays the assistant DA looks like a Puerto Rican drag queen. That jaw is very strong.

Watching S1 of original this week on ION and the writing AND acting are terrible. Manheim has cut back on the overacting and is kind of settling into the character. Somebody must have told her she's not on LA Law...

R147- The only Law And Order show I ever really liked was Law & Order: Criminal Intent

I’ve been watching S2 lately on WE, and it’s hard not to contrast it to the new NBC episodes. Even a bad S2 episode has more characters, depth, and better stories than any new episodes I have yet.

R147, I loved Criminal Intent. Obviously with Goren & Eames mostly, but I’ll take any of those episode, anytime.

R148, I meant.

R149- I've never really watched the original Law & Order. I'm considering paying to watch a season on Amazon. Which season or seasons would you recommend?

I wanted Jeffrey Donovan to fuck me so bad. He's so fkin hot in an inexplicable way. I wanted to be raped by him.

R151, seasons with Logan and Briscoe (Seasons 3-5) or Briscoe and Green (Seasons 10-14).

Hugh Dancy is not working for me. He seems to be concentrating so hard on his American accent that a character portrayal is missing.

Odelya Halevi as his insubordinate millennial ADA ("Happy to do that for you, but WHY?") is a hoot and probably the strongest thing about this iteration.

R151 not all 20 seasons are available on Amazon. I think even Peacock doesn't have them all available. Some of the seasons were only available for purchase on DVD. Unfortunately the missing years include some of the better ones -- Briscoe, Jamie Ross.

Season 2 -- when Chris Noth and Paul Sorvino were the detectives -- has some good episodes, and you can watch on Amazon.

Also some of the later episodes of the show when Cyrus and Lupo were on have some good ones. These are avail. online as well.

Carmyn Manheim is not working for me. She's wooden.

None of it is working for me.

[QUOTE] I wanted Jeffrey Donovan to fuck me so bad. He's so fkin hot in an inexplicable way. I wanted to be raped by him.

MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeffrey Donovan has a particularly simian facial structure. If he’d been in the Planet of the Apes franchise he wouldn’t have had to spend as much time in the make up trailer as his colleagues.

R153- Thanks

On Burn Notice he was excellent. Donovan on the reboot is some Noo Yak piece of work. He no longer has a closeup face.

R152- Sit down.

We need to talk.

You're a WHORE darlin

R152- There's a German Police show called Tatort: Streets Of Berlin. There's a good looking masculine detective. In one episode there's a hidden camera in his apartment and the other guys at the police department are laughing because they're watching this good looking masculine detective getting FUCKED UP THE ASS.

Can you imagine a Law and Order episode say with that good looking guy Jeffrey Donovan not only naked but getting fucked.

Original L&O didn't hit its stride till the last of the fat men, Sorvino, left. I will wait for S3 on the reboot.

Donovan's derriere:

Dancy's duff:

Shame Morgan Spector couldn’t have ended up in this as the masculine detective who enjoys getting fucked up the ass.

Anybody watching Derbil McDillett’s debut on FBI: Most Wanted tonight?

R167- I found the scene with the good looking masculine detective getting FUCKED up the ass.

Last night's episode was clearly based on the Ed Brock case which was coincidental because yesterday Brock was sentenced to thirty years.

r169, you mean Buck.

You are correct.

I found "Wicked Game" (this week's episode) underwhelming. I had hopes for it because it was gay-themed. And Currie Graham was in it. But he couldn't save the episode. This basically felt like an SVU episode, which is not what I'm looking for in the L&O reboot. I suppose maybe this is what the showrunners think younger viewers want to see since they may only know SVU.

The Hugh Dancy character is a thin wisp of nothing. The political arguments between the detectives seem stilted.

Speaking of SVU, it's very telling that a couple of recent episodes of that tired old workhorse have actually been slightly better than the episodes of this reboot. That doesn't bode well for the new L&O.

I gave up on it after three episodes. The writing is piss poor compared to the original. I don't mind any of the actors but they have basically nothing to work with.

Watching season 1 on ION Mystery today.

1] people smoking onscreen. So odd.

2] no cell phones. Opening finding of the body needs someone to FIND a phone, too.

3] the case resolution cards at the end of each episode is an antique.

Funny how there's no mystery about how to get it right and they're getting it wrong. They cancelled it when they shouldn't have and now they'll cancel it because they shouldn't have.

They won’t cancel it. They’ll change showrunners.

Dick Wolf is spread too thin. L&O Organized Crime is also shit but they are changing it up.

I hate to say it but Org Crime is tedious. Meloni has become unwatchable no matter how lovely his bubble butt.

It's the serialness of OC that I don't like. Let's go back to the winning L&O procedural format, i.e., case of the week. It would even give you the opportunity to fire some people, Dick Wolf, and we know that's what you really live for.

The reboot really is terribly written. It's worthy of cancellation but I doubt NBC would embarrass itself that way.

The cast isn't working, but the writing is so bad it's hard to truly gauge that.

The first season of Organized Crime worked really well. I got caught up in it. This season it's just convoluted and confusing. Meloni seems constipated. And the CO's hairstyle changes are distracting on a Joy Reid level. An undercover captain is really going to be running around the city with three-foot-long braids like Janet Jackson in Poetic Justice?

R179, yes in New York city.

I'd be worried about getting them caught on a sidewalk shed while in pursuit or slammed in a cab door. Not the most practical hairstyle for a cop.

But that's a quibble. The show has bigger problems.

They really should retool the show and bring in Eames as Captain.

Replace Dancy with a returned Alexandra Cabot (the best ADA in the L&O universe).

Anderson, out. Replaced with a black female detective.

So then it becomes Law & Order: Catfights, with a female Gen X EADA and millennial female ADA constantly at each other's throats, and a boorish cop (Donovan) constantly pissing off his partner before they ultimately reach an understanding.

Manheim, out. Replaced by a hot guy who can maintain gender balance and also lend some gravitas. I'm thinking Timothy Olyphant. He's old enough to pass as a captain now.

Law & Order: Catfights and Eye Candy. All-new this fall on NBC.

[quote]Replace Dancy with a returned Alexandra Cabot (the best ADA in the L&O universe).

Sweet Jesus, make it so!

Is Dylan McDermott moving from LO-OC to FBI Most Wanted?

He bust blow Wolf while smiling...

[QUOTE] Replace Dancy with a returned Alexandra Cabot (the best ADA in the L&O universe). Anderson, out. Replaced with a black female detective.

Yes, please. I used to like him back on the original run but now he appears to be just phoning it in to collect a check.

[QUOTE] The reboot really is terribly written. It's worthy of cancellation but I doubt NBC would embarrass itself that way.

The sad thing is us old school viewers are the ones will keep it alive, desperately tuning in each week to see if there is finally a worthy episode.

[quote] Is Dylan McDermott moving from LO-OC to FBI Most Wanted

This is weird. I posted a reply to this and it showed up but now it's gone. Maybe it's in another thread somewhere. At any rate, what I posted was:

McDermott began on Most Wanted as a new character replacing Julian McMahon's character two or three weeks ago. I've posted before wondering what was going on because it's unusual to replace a solo lead in the middle of a season. Most Wanted isn't a repertory cast show with multiple leads that come and go like L&O.

McMahon's character had nearly weekly recurring family members. I guess those actors are looking for new jobs now.

No, they were stupid to kill off Annie Parisse’s character but they can bring back Alana de la Garza as ADA. I don’t know why Anderson is sleepwalking through his role but I blame Jeffrey Donovan who is just a void. There’s no chemistry between them. If they bring back Alana, they can bring back Jeremy Sisto.

Yeah R190 Sisto and Anderson had chemistry. Even though they showed up way past the heyday of the original's run they were still one of my favorite detective pairings.

"Steel Eyed Death" is a good example of Sisto/Anderson era. Episode should be available on Prime if anyone wants to check it out.

[QUOTE] No, they were stupid to kill off Annie Parisse’s character but they can bring back Alana de la Garza as ADA.

Maybe it was stupid but wow what a send off. The episode where she is murdered is one of my all time favorites.

Parisse wanted off the show and they accommodated her but boy did they do it with a vengeance. Great episode.

Del a Garza and Sisto are happily ensconced on FBI.

Anderson was brought back to counterpoint a racist Donovan.

Boy, did that fizzle.

That is what they need now R194. An episode with complex plotting that keeps you watching. Not this by the numbers stuff where they proceed to trial at the same point in each episode like they are doing now.

I guess I'm one of the few who likes what Donovan is doing and thinks Anderson is phoning it in to pick up a paycheck. Anderson signed for only the first season so we'll see what happens.

I also like what Camryn Manheim has done the past two or three weeks, now that they have actually been giving her things to do. The first few episodes all she seemed to do was wander into the squad room at random and ask what's going on.

Still I'm overall disappointed with the bad writing and lacklustre pacing and direction. ION TV is running the original first season from over 30 years ago and although not everything is settled it's so much more smart, well acted, well paced and gripping than this mess.

r196, that has been disappointing, but it's a writing issue, not an acting issue. I'm hoping TIIC won't forget the conflict they meant to establish, but I fear it's been metoo'ed (or whatever the racism version of metoo is).

R198 it doesn't bode well. Criminal Intent also had some great episodes in it's first season. But this reboot is lackluster right out of the gate.

It’s preachy. There always seems to be a moral to the story, like it’s “Growing Pains” or something. Not every case needs to be about some grand constitutional argument.

Sigh.

R201 you are on to something.

Unfortunately I think the showrunners believe that this preachiness on social issues is what viewers want. SVU is preachy and there is a large crop of younger viewers who've only seen SVU and not the other shows. The showrunner thinks he/she needs to do this to attract those people. But making this a carbon copy of SVU will result in failure.

Bring back Serena Southerlyn! This show needs a beautiful, smart Lesbian.

[QUOTE] Bring back Serena Southerlyn

Said no one ever.

More like "Law & Order Robot Cast Confirmed." What a let down.

r204, said someone...

So I keep stupidly watching this, thinking it'll magically get better. The plots are pretty simplistic so that they can get all preachy on social issues. I was expecting something akin to the original, where sometimes the investigation would start in one place and end up somewhere completely different. Plus like the original, there hasn't been a single reveal at the end in the DA's office with family members, etc. pitted against one another and the true murderer exposed. That made for really good drama. This just seems like another retread of the Oleebia show.

I turned the channel about 20 minutes in last night. I’m giving up on it for now.

I forgot to watch again.

I did too. I got wrapped up in a rerun of Major Crimes and totally forgot it was on.

I will watch it on Saturday. Same with SVU. I've given up on OC...

Last night, when they were thinking of prosecuting the father for something the son did, McCoy was all like "Is there any precedent for this?!" Jack, you did it. The same damn thing. 20something years ago.

Sam Waterston was upset when the original was cancelled, always said he'd come back but.... it's twelve years later. He's in his eighties. It was nice to see him back but now he shows up in a doorway spouting a few elderly words of wisdom and he's gone. Time to recast with a new character who can actually engage and move on.

Yes but that’s what Adam Schiff did. I didn’t realize for a long time how difficult it is do make an impact with so little screen time. Same with S. Epatha vs Camryn M now.

What are the rating like?

Where's Mr. Big?

He died in a plane crash on The Equalizer. A Me2 ending.

Well, Sam came off of Grace and Frankie, why not hire Martin to replace Sam?

Sheen would make a great DA.

Just watched Law/Order and SVU.

Law/Order was old and stale and a plot recycled cut and paste and was dull and tedious and unentertaining.

However, SVU brought back a beloved character, used him at full potential in an interesting cold case AND had a B-line where Oleebia went cunt to cunt with a Queens Major Crime cunt. They wrote her perfectly cunty and the resolution was delicious. A solid A episode.

Oleebia left Jack in the dirt. It's ALL in the writing.

I liked the L&O episode, but overall, I haven't been going through the major freakout some of you are experiencing. I never thought it was that great a show. I probably watched every episode except during the Benjamin Bratt years, but it was just a time killer for me. Homicide: Life on the Street was much more my favorite detective program.

I liked Hugh Dancy's new haircut, which revealed his blowjob ears. I thought, finally, Anderson and Donovan are getting into their opposing viewpoints on the raciality of everything. Camryn Manheim never bothers me. I just wished the two preppies had been cute. Most disappointing HS students in a long time.

I do wish they'd kept Linus Roache as the seniormost DA.

Agreed r219. Though I gave up on L&O half way through, I turned back to NBC for SVU. It was a solid episode last night, the writing, the guest stars, the references to old cases, location shots…it was a true story.

I just checked the writing credits on IMDb. The old series writers, some had 50-70 episodes, have moved on obviously. This season has new writers.

I liked Elizabeth Rohm in the part. Don’t get the hate.

I haven't watched last night's SVU episode yet but the "Barrio" episode from a couple weeks ago was decent and the one about the trucker was tolerable. And someone upthread is saying last night's episode was good. So far SVU is more watchable than the reboot.

R223, I loved her.

I'm starting to think shows like Law & Order will never be great again because the type of writers who would have worked on the show in the early 90s are now doing prestige tv on cable or amazon prime. Thats how much the landscape of television has evolved.

The reboot continues to be just terrible. The main problem is the writing. The episodes fail on every level—believability, suspense, tension, pacing.

I decided to watch this week's show as pure camp, and it didn't even succeed on that front.

It doesn't help that it's immediately followed by SVU, which this week—despite featuring balloon-faced injectable victim Orfeh and batshit Betty Buckley—was miles ahead in terms of telling a compelling and even gripping story.

No Mr. Big?

That's bullshit.

Noth has been Me2'd.

His character was killed off on The Equalizer to end any speculation of a return. But Bishop was CIA...

Hugh's haircut is terrible-he looked sort of elfin--in 10 years he'll look like Jeff Sessions. Eat a ham sandwich too, Hugh. You're looking emaciated.

No Noth, me no watch.

Funniest line on any L&O was on SVU this week:

Rollins: It appears that I am better at talking to psychopaths than teenaged girls.

I actually LOL'd.

I agree with R226. I watched the first couple of episodes of "Bosch: Legacy" on Amazon Prime last night thinking that there are so few places where that show could go after "Bosch" wrapped up. Boy, was I wrong. The quality is still great. In fact, the beginning of this season got me even more sucked into it than the start of S6 of "Bosch". And, then, you see something like this reboot of L&O on the grid and think: "Why bother..."

Until this morning I had never seen the SVU episode where Barba was written out for deliberately killing a disabled baby in the ICU. Enter DA Stone.

O.M.G.

No wonder Philip Winchester demanded off after one season. Have you seen the rest of that season?

The network needs to make the show more woke

Bring back Mr. Big.

The crime shows where all cases get neatly wrapped up within a single episode are increasingly feeling like relics from the Stone Age of TV. And then you have to crank out 15-20 such episodes per season.

Not crank — stamp.

The SVU about the Christian missionaries was decent. Not my favorite episode of all time but they put some twists into it.

Casted.

I'm watching "Legacy". A. Anderson is dreadful and they are actually using the word "woke" in the episode. Ugh.

It’s a lousy cast. I have no intention of watching.

"Legacy" was actually an ok episode (yes I managed to get through the whole thing), compared to the others. But it still seemed like something that we'd seen done before in the past.

Something I don't care for: the Dancy character always tries some novel prosecution or legal tactic for which there is no precedent, and always gets a "guilty" verdict.

And announced in Variety, renewed for Season 22. And, unfortunately, OC.

The PREACHING. My god. It’s so inorganic. I just want to see detective work in the first half and some courtroom maneuvering in the second.

And some fun character actor cameos. (“Oh, it’s that guy!”)

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[quote] The PREACHING. My god. It’s so inorganic

Yes the self righteous preaching turned me off the show when it was still new. Unsurprising it's NBC's flagship.

Anderson was just a plot device for BLM indigence.

I’m watching the marathon on WE tv…with the original, original cast: Sorvino, Noth, Moriarty, Richard Brooks and Steven Hill. I’d never seen them and I am blown away. Fast paced, tight, gripping stories, great cast. Steven Hill actually has involvement in the cases, not like later in the series. Maybe they could get Brooks to come back.

I’ve stopped watching. It seems so formulaic now. Maybe it always was but the actors were better. I like Hugh Dancy but he isn’t riveting.

There are clearly no writers on this show. Sam tells Hugh he can’t win this case. Hugh doesn’t listen. It goes to trial. Hugh wins most of the cases but not all. Lather, rinse, repeat. Dull!

They should replace Anderson with Dot Jones (the MWC & Glee actress) as a big lesbian detective partner Just like real life.

They should bring back the character Kat Azar Tamin, Jamie Gray Hyde, from the SVU shitpile.

Mariska made a big mistake firing her. Mariska, the producer, is going to have to hire another woman to replace Mariska the actress.

Kat Tamin is a GREAT character.

Jeffrey Donovan and Hugh Dancy. Yum. Will they be a gay couple on the show? Might watch for that.

R252 the whole fun was how often they would fuck with the 'formula." So it never felt predicatable.

My favorite was when Ellen Greene shot up the courtoom in the bail hearing.

Can't they bring in S. Epatha in for cameos just so she can roll her eyes when they tell her about what kinds of naughtiness the rich parents of Hudson U. students are up to now?

Either that or slap a wig on her nappy head on Chicago Med.

It’s not the acting that sucks, its the sad, boring, banal story lines.

No, the acting really sucks too.

I'm not adding anything original here...but...

The writing is terrible. The directing is terrible. The acting is terrible. Other than Dancy, who we think is pretty good, the rest are just reciting lines. If you watch close enough, NOBODY is acting. They're reading lines. Reciting lines. No acting evident.

How did Donovan get his own show? He's cringe-worthy bad.

Manheim is particularly miscast because she can only play one character; the same blank one she's always played. She plays Manheim. She still has that same fucking ponytail. It's as if she wandered in off the street, doesn't know where she is, and someone handed her a sheet of paper with words.

The ADA? THAT'S the best they could get in NYC? She has some credits, but she is awful.

Where did all the NYC day laborer actors go? With a few exceptions, even the under 5s and small character parts, who were always really so talented, have been terrible.

It's like watching a high school play. A bad one.

It's so disappointing. We've continued to watch it and spend the entire show ripping apart every actor and scene. Meanwhile hoping it will somehow get better.

It needs a complete recast and they need to bring back Rene Balcer as a writer. Wolf's writing has been simplistic and awkward.

Can't believe it's actually been renewed.

It has an amazing legacy. Who allowed it to be this bad? Wolf? His ego again?

So disappointed.

Thank you for letting me vent.

R262 I've been watching L&O marathons over that last month, and everything you are stating about the current iteration is true. I hated the first go round of Anthony Anderson, but even those seasons seem like Shakespeare compared to what's airing now.

I’ve enjoyed every iteration of L&O, some more than others, except for the current one. I only watch it (on Peacock) to try to figure out what is wrong.

I binged watched the first couple of episodes of the reboot & loved it.

I tried watching it from the start online but found the original actors annoying & stereotypical in season 1 so I gave up after a few episodes.

As someone said earlier "to each their own" but for a short 10 episode season, I think they made a strong foundation for the reboot's "season 2" & will check out all of them when they air.

Thanks for checking in, Chuck.