Bob Saget's cause of death revealed

I'm sure this will end all the wild speculation. /s

It’s raining

It’s pouring

The old man is snoring

He went to bed and bumped his head

And didn’t get up in the morning.

I was right!!!!! The 37 yo trophy wife had him wacked. Stay tuned.

Wonder if he slipped in the bathtub or something.

Scary.

Head injuries are no joke.

Even minor ones.

He obviously wasn't well in the years before his death... he looked so bloated and depressed. Also in recent interviews he seemed to be slurring a bit

It's odd that he hit his head hard enough to sustain that kind of trauma yet thought nothing of it and went to bed.

He had a pretty bad lifestyle... lots of cigars, drinking, and steaks. I doubt that this is the full story, it seems like the family is trying to get ahead of news

I wonder if a hooker killed him?

Yes, what could cause someone to not feel enough pain after a head injury to still be able to fall asleep?

Wait, how would anyone know "he thought nothing of it?"

Similar to Natasha Richardson. Had a minor fall on a ski slope and bumped her head, refused medical treatment until symptoms started showing up hours later which ended up being too late.

He needed a William Holden drinking helmet.

R11 presumably did, as he hit his head but didn't seek help. At least the article/narrative doesn't indicate he did.

I think they're concealing the real cause of the fall.

This is the same cause of death for Natasha Richardson

[quote] I wonder if a hooker killed him?

No, it was a Prostitution Whore!!!

At least I was drunk.

Dumbshit.

Scary.

Years ago I was traveling to another country for a conference. I fainted and hit my head on the floor. I was with a group of grad students who not only witnessed me passing out and falling, but actively pivoted out of the way so I had a clear path to the floor.

I woke up to paramedics hovering over me. I refused medical help coz I was young and thought I could sleep it off, lucky nothing came of it.

Afterwards, the one grad student next to me told me she saw me pass out and moved out of the way thinking I was trying to cop a feel. She said I hit my head really hard and felt bad, never apologised tho, saying it's not her fault or responsibility. The other grad students said they didn't really know me and didnt know if I was on drugs.

If ever you need proof grad students are the worst people in the world. I graduated and have a nice career now so at least the head trauma didn't affect my academics. They are all less successful than me. That bitch is now a housewife and fat.

"If ever you need proof grad students are the worst people in the world."

This might be one of the stupidest things I've read. I think you did suffer some brain damage.

I keep telling the young ones:

Don't skullfuck too hard, especially when bathroom fixtures and tubs are too close in a cheap hotel room.

r12 Richardson didn't have a 'minor fall', she fell down on the slopes and whacked her head quite hard, she was aware she was injured but declined to seek medical attention or get checked out. A few hours later she was in serious trouble with head pain, but by then it was too late.

Saget would have had to have hit the back of his head very hard to sustain the kind of trauma that would kill him. Subdural hematomas don't occur from merely walking into a door incorrectly, for example. Skulls are hard and meant to sustain substantial blows.

Saget looked unwell before his death. I don't think his death is as simple as a bump on the head.

R24 Well, you are the medical examiner, or at least were very close to what happened, right?

R21 do u know any grad students or have ever been in grad school?

Grad students being the most pathetic and worst people is a running joke on the Simpsons, those writers are all grad school dropouts/survivors.

[quote] Well, you are the medical examiner, or at least were very close to what happened, right?

Well, you are the medical examiner, or at least were very close to what happened, right? I didn't think so.

I am told this happened to my grandfather. He died before I was born.

He fell tripped in his driveway, fell and hit his head. Then refused medical attention.

Dead the next day.

" do u know any grad students or have ever been in grad school? "

R26 I was, and took many English and writing classes while there. However, I do not watch the Simpsons. Carry on, please.

He hit the back of his head, which had a visible injury. So Saget didn't walk into a door or anything else. He must have fallen or slipped heavily backwards onto the edge of the sink, tub, or base of the toilet.

And then he slept, because that's what concussed people are wont to do.

How did he slip or fall? Was he impaired in some way? There was definitely something wrong with him before his sudden death.

R21 smells like smelt dead in the sun on the gravel bar.

It is universally known that graduate students are idiots and post-docs are pathetic.

This has been true since at least 1984.

Somebody call Mary Kate Olsen!!!

[quote] I was right!!!!! The 37 yo trophy wife had him wacked.

O dear!

[quote]I wonder if a hooker killed him?

Whattaya mean? I wasn’t even in town, see!

R31, A slippery tiled floor will do it. Among other things, like doing a chin up on the door. Who knows. Autopsy said no alcohol was involved.

I had a friend who bonked his head … he’s DEAD now.

[quote]It's odd that he hit his head hard enough to sustain that kind of trauma yet thought nothing of it and went to bed.

Same thing happened to Natasha Richardson. Wacked her head skiing, refused medical care and died a few hours late.

Meningeal artery bleed - very serious. One may feel fine and then over hours, the bleeding causes the brain to swell and the only way to relieve pressure is for the brain to move downward. It presses on the brain stem and crushes the center of consciousness, and death ensues.

I can't believe alcohol wasn't involved.

Not likely

R20 needed to learn from Bob Saget's experience in the future and just hematomatize herself.

God, talk about making it all about you.

[quote] Autopsy said no alcohol was involved.

Or maybe the results of the autopsy and toxicology reports have been suppressed. I wouldn't be surprised if there's information not released to the public. Saget was considered this untouchable, "beloved" figure. He had an image to protect. It's possible he was impaired by drink or drugs but his family doesn't want anyone to know that.

Was an Olson twin involved?

R38 R12

Didn't Michael Kennedy die from bumping into a tree?

Slammed into tree while 🎿 at high speed. Died instantly

Comedians are being hit hard lately...Kathy Griffin, Chelsea Handler, Heather McDonald, Louie Anderson and this poor soul.

That killed Alice. Not Kay.

This just happened to the "Marnie Nightingale" character in British soap, Hollyoaks.

Sure Jan.

[quote] Bob passed from head trauma

Passed gas?

Passed his exams?

Passed the dutchie to the left hand side?

He was likely on blood thinners, so it wouldn't have taken a major hit.

What are you basing your assumption that he was on blood thinners on? Speculation?

Yeah, R51, why would he be on blood thinners?

I can’t wait for Dr. Michael Hunter to get to the bottom of this on Autopsy - and tell us absolutely nothing we don’t already know!

Former Miss America Leanza Cornett died the same way.

Fall and a blow to her head.

R53, I have no idea either, but most people don't realize meds they're on can thin the blood. Almost all pain relievers do exactly that.

And he did die of a 'brain bleed'.

What are you supposed to do if you are alone at night in a city you don't know in a hotel, and bump your head? And it seems "ok". Abundance of caution says go to a hospital?

I bumped my head hard on 2 visits to Paris. And in fact went to the same clinic both times. They couldn't have been more elegant and charged me under 20 bucks each visit.

Yep. It was totally head trauma, he thought NOTHING of it and died peacefully in his sleep.

He looked like a raging alcoholic with an army of skeletons in the closet.

Until I see his full autopsy results, I will presume that he hired a trans prostitute who whacked him in the head with a huge used dildo because Bob was a lousy tipper.

What was in involved at the clinic, R57? Did they do a CT scan or how did they test you to find out you were okay?

R60 - it was the late 80s early 90s. No scans. I guess they could have done them if they felt they were required. I don't know how common such things were, then. (Now I live in Switzerland and in the 2000s it seems routine for doctors to order MRIs.)

First time I was bleeding so they treated that too and said a person should always go to hospital after a bump. That's why I went the second time. Socialised medicine, I suppose.

It was interviews about the bump, how long since, any symptoms, about my cognitive and coordination function, and physical examinations.

There's a great dedicated EYE hospital down the lake in Lausanne and I go there the times I have had eye problems. Why not go to the source and the experts? There's no need to overuse medical care but no reason to deprive oneself - its supposed to be one of the RIGHTS and WONDERS of living in a rich country with excess resources.

I'm sorry Saget died of a brain bleed. What a pity.

I've skied in the same resort now for decades Zermatt so I know a bit the local situation - and apparently there are brain bleeds every winter in town. People go out, drink, the roads are slippery, they fall. Its 1700meters up. They go home and die. It's not even a huge party resort - like Verbier. I imagine there are many brain bleeds every winter, if you consider the sport collectively.

perhaps twas a case of suddenfallingitis

Thanks for the info, R61. I didn't know what procedures a clinic would use to check out a bump on the head. It's good to know not to take such things too lightly.

[quote]Passed gas?Passed his exams?Passed the dutchie to the left hand side?

Our intrepid Passed Troll is busy policing threads for the use of 'passed'. It causes an aberrant overreaction in this poor soul.

I went to the hospital and they didn’t scan me. Turns out I was having a subarachnoid hemorrhage. I should have been more pushy. Yes, a simple fall can easily kill. Fashion designer Carla Zampatti recently died this way, falling on the steps of the Sydney Opera House. Our bodies are very badly designed.

Looks like a series of unfortunate events. And quite ironic that a lush like Saget apparently was sober when he died. Maybe his coordination was better when he was drunk, and he wouldn't have slipped and fallen backwards.

I'll get to the bottom of this.

If he had fallen drunk he may have lived. Often drunk people are loosey goosey so take a bump better. An old boyfriend fell down the stairs and got up and was fine, I think it was because his body was relaxed because he was so drunk.

I remember hearing a long time ago that drunk drivers tend to fare better in car accidents for the same reason, R69.

Perhaps he was riding a bicycle in a grocery store parking lot and Lily Tomlin backed into him?

He died because he didn't love Jesus enough.

r71 that is so weird because I thought of that movie too. The little boy seemed to be fine and then died later.

R69 That failed to work for the tipsy brother of the Duchess of Cornwall. He hit the pavement as he was exiting a restaurant and died of a bleed.

R54 we’ll know he solved it when he takes off his reading glasses and stares with a penetrating gaze!

Sounds like he passed out and fell just like that other comedian and all those other stories of celebrities passing out on set.

Why are they all passing out?

R76 it's 5G doncha know.

r74 Mark Shand was exiting a restaurant or building and got caught up in a revolving door of some sort. He went down very hard, head first onto the pavement, I'm not sure if he ever regained consciousness.

Saget must have taken a fairly hard blow the day he died to sustain the kind of injury that would kill him.

I had no idea Saget was 6'4".

How long before Datalounge's resident "Nancy Drews" come to the conclusion that it was a male hustler that socked Bobby in the head and rolled him?

R61 Switzerland doesn't have socialized medicine. It has universal health care because you're obliged to purchase private health insurance.

Maybe he took a lot of pills, some booze, and fell asleep in the bathtub and they are just not going to reveal that.

I'll will take charge of this case as soon as I get back from my house call to Elvirna Bradshaw and her daughter Big Mouth.

R81 thats a technicality between "socialized" and "universal". The reason Switzerland has universal care is they pay the premiums for poor people who can't afford the premiums. And the care is not "budget" its comprehensive. And there are price limits on all the services that are considered essential and comprehensive. In these senses it is socialized, despite the insurance companies being private.

R66, Amen to that! People tend not to keep aware that their heads are 5'-6' or more above the concrete path, the marble floor, the macadam street, etc. One good fall and whack, that's all she wrote.

Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the Atkins Diet, died the same way—slipped on an icy spot on the sidewalk and hit his head.

My mother is ill and falls on occasion and someone takes her to the doctor to get it checked out every time.

She'll sit through the CT scans, coordination tests, etc.

Because it really does take just hitting your head once, the wrong way (and ignoring it), to end up dead.

A substantial percentage of men Saget's age have been prescribed blood thinners. These medications make people susceptible to a subdural hematoma if they fall or hit their head. I was recently present in a consult with a neurosurgeon who treated a family member for the same thing. He said 80% of his patients these days are individuals with brain bleeds who are on blood thinners. It's "good for business" but he says he hates the medications which are often worse than the conditions they are prescribed to treat or to prevent. I'm curious if Natasha Richardson was on a medication or NSAIDs when she was fatally injured.

This just keeps getting stranger. Here's some more information about his death:

He was infected with Covid at the time of his death.

The death was caused by internal bleeding from the brain after Saget "hit his head on something" How did he hit his head? Supposedly he "fell backward" but how did he do that?

He had a "bruise on the back of his neck." I guess some would say the bruise was from the fall but it also could have happened other ways.

Did he really fall? Or did somebody hit him? Seems there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Soft butch sous chef beat him over the head

R89 when my partner had covid it was causing his blood pressure to drop out of the blue which would cause him to pass out. Can't tell you the anxiety I went through wondering if his hitting his head would lead to someone serious.

I slipped and fell on black ice in November while walking my dog. I had a headache for 3 hours and decided to go to urgent care. They didn’t have CAT scans there so he diagnosed a concussion and said I should go to the ER. I asked if I should go there right away and the doctor said I should’ve gone immediately after the fall.

If my husband died in a hotel room from a hit head I'd demand an investigation. Unless he said, "weirdest thing honey, I got up to pee and next thing I know I'm in pjs half in and out the bathroom". I wonder if he'd told her about the accident

I read that Covid is causing vertigo in some people.

I know he had covid, but at the time of his death?

Tell me about it, R94.

He fractured his skull in several places and yet took to his bed?? Man, Saget really didn't want to disappoint his audience.

I'll try again.

Sorry, DL won't accept my copied links.

His eye sockets were damaged.

Was Bob Saget beaten up?!

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^Meant for R78

Avoid revolving doors if you are drunk as a skunk!

Though Saget did not have any illicit drugs or toxins in his system, the report stated that he was taking the prescription drug clonazepam, which treats seizures, panic disorder, and anxiety.

Additionally, Saget's autopsy stated that he had cardiomegaly (an enlarged heart), coronary artery atherosclerosis (damage or disease in the heart's major blood vessels) and aortic atherosclerosis (plaque build-up inside the wall of the aorta).

R103 I know the “no illucit drugs or toxins” part. What they don’t mention is whether there was alcohol in his blood. Or legal, prescribed drugs.

R104 It's right there: the report stated that he was taking the prescription drug clonazepam, which treats seizures, panic disorder, and anxiety.

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If he was on a higher dose of Klonopin, it may have been a risk factor for fall at his age. We try to avoid this in the elderly (sorry DL) as it increases risk of falls.

That was no bump on the head, it was a hard fall. Multiple skull fractures, two black eyes, orbital fractures (around the eyes.)

- abrasion of the posterior scalp

- Subgaleal hemorrhage underlying the abrasion

- Linear fracture of the base of the skull

- Comminuted fractures of the roofs of the orbits involving the bilateral frontal bone

-Bilateral partial periorbital ecchymoses

- Subdural hematoma

- Subarachnoid hemorrhage

- Contrecoup contusions involving the bilateral frontal lobes and bilateral temporal lobes

Contrecoup brain contusions are when you hit your head so hard your brain bounces around inside your skull leading to bruising. And how do you get bilateral orbit fractures and two black eyes from a “fall backwards”?

He was never funny. Not on that horrible show and his standup routine sucked donkey dick.

R109 John Posey

Nobody knows who that is R110.

Sanjay Gupta on CNN says these injuries would be consistent with someone being in a car accident or falling down a flight of stairs, not “falling backward and not thinking a thing about it.”

R5 is so wise.

What kind of lowlies is posting here? They're like Beanie Baby collectors.

His head was so badly damaged, yet didn’t he get into bed with the covers over him? I thought that’s what I read.

No way would have those injuries just by "falling backwards." And then after he gets all those injuries he just decides to crawl into bed and go to sleep? Sounds to me like he was beaten unconscious and then put in the bed. Sounds to me like there was foul play involved.

R115, yes!

R115 and r116, See r100.

[quote]I know he had covid, but at the time of his death?

Reports said he had had COVID this year, but the date was unclear. He some reports say he mentioned Omicron when he talked about having COVID, and Omicron began circulating in late November. He said he got a booster shot on December 13th, a month before he died, so he must have had COVID before mid-December.

*scratch the word "he" in the beginning of the second sentence...

I said it first but all y'all fuckers dismissed me. This is some shady shit.

In the article at R108, a person can test positive for COVID three months after infected? I've never heard that before.

CONFIRMED: Candace Owens Disgustingly Wrong About Bob Saget's Death

[quote]Sanjay Gupta on CNN says these injuries would be consistent with someone being in a car accident or falling down a flight of stairs, not “falling backward and not thinking a thing about it.”

How would Sanjay Gupta know more than the medical examiner? Why would he choose now, when half the country is already in such a conspiratorial mood, to contradict medical findings?

Gupta is an attention whore. That is his JOB.

Saget was beaten to death. Is this a Bob Crane scenario?

R120, Where, in r7?

Oh, I see, r120; you figured the word "odd" would suffice to mean "was beaten up."

Sous-sous-sous-chef...🎶

[...]

Maybe he fell twice—back, and then got up dizzy then front, was out of it and climbed into bed.

I agree r128. It sounds almost ludicrous

Did they find any lead dildos in the room?

[quote] Maybe he fell twice—back, and then got up dizzy then front, was out of it and climbed into bed.

That seems pretty far-fetched.

His injuries aren't consistent with someone "falling backward." And to have injuries like that must have been pretty painful and to just get into bed to "go to sleep?" It's hard to believe.

And no traces of hair, scalp, or blood anywhere that would be able to cause such major trauma?

The family and doctors are saying that the blow to the back of the head, in and of itself, was enough to crack the skull, send "shock waves" to fracture the orbital sockets, and cause brain bleeding.

Or were there two blows, one to "the back of the head" and the other to "the base of the skull"?

And in the aftermath, Saget was able to right himself enough to get into bed?

If he could do that, maybe Saget could have called for help.

I thought he was an unfunny asshole but then when he died so many people said what a nice guy he was. Maybe my initial impression was correct because his death sounds fishy.

For the skeptics, why would anyone be evasive about his death? That makes no sense to me. He was a sitcom actor over 30 years ago and a stand-up comedian playing regional gigs. He's not a big deal, so to speak. Why would a medical examiner lie about his cause of death?

You can get black eyes from falling back on your head? That must've been one hard fall, like falling backwards over a second floor railing on the first floor. No way that should be possible with a slip on bathroom tiles.

My point is that I don't understand the skepticism and I don't believe a medical examiner would lie or leave anything out or be misleading regarding his medical report/final conclusion.

He was 6’4 so maybe it was like 4am and he stumbled to the bathroom to get some water or pee. Then he slammed the back of his head against the door frame and ambled to the bed in pain.

I wonder if medical examiners do a forensic investigation of a hotel room to look for things like blood on a door or shower door or the carpet, or anywhere the deceased may have hit their head, or for a towel pulled off a towel rack when someone was reaching to catch their balance or anything like that.

[quote] His injuries aren't consistent with someone“falling backward”

I meant falling and hitting his head on something.

I believe Natasha Richardson had a head injury skiing. She refused treatment. Two hours later she had a severe headache and was flown to the hospital. She died two days later. While she didn’t go to sleep and die, head injuries are no joke.

A nurse on the Bobsaget subreddit is calling bullshit on this official narrative… you don’t get multiple skull fractures from hitting your head on the headboard

It seems like there’s been some information management going on here… first it was subtly leaked that he may have died of a heart attack and now this. Maybe Bobs family paid off the medical examiner and law enforcement, begging them to protect Bobs legacy

R141 the Natasha Richardson situation is not a relevant comparison. Natasha didn’t have any skull fractures and she hit her head HARD and had an agonizing headache later

The idea that Bob slammed his head so hard that he got multiple skull fractures but went to bed like it was nothing is ludicrous.

Wouldn't the police consider his death suspicious if there are unexplained and odd circumstances involved? It's a high profile case and the police force would look bad when they fuck up or cover up a murder.

I trust the DL detectives and DL Covid experts more than Sanjay Gupta! DL has been correct more often.

That female comedian who recently passed out on stage and hit the back of her head ended up with a fractured skull and two black eyes from the fall.

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I was involved in a very serious car accident at Christmas (drunk driver hit several of us stopped at a stop light, he was going 75). Driver directly behind me was killed upon impact. My airbag deployed and I walloped my forehead quite strongly. Huge knot, contusions that lasted for a week. The fireman doing triage at the scene strongly encouraged me to go to the hospital because I do take a reduced dosage of a blood thinner. Fortunately CT scan didn't see any brain bleed. My point is that I was hit in the front of the skull. Most of the brain bleeds I hear about are from falls that hit the back of the head. My own father died that way - a backwards fall while on coumadin. Medical personnel are usually very clear that even if they can see the brain bleed on scan, the options for preventing brain damage or death are limited. They can drill into the skull to try to relieve pressure on the brain caused by the blood, but if too much time has passed (and sometimes that time is only a matter of minutes), there can be permanent damage or death no matter what the intervention.

Much is being made of the black eyes and so forth, but if the initial fall was rather serious, which it sounds like it was, the pressure of the blood leaking into the brain would have pushed out in every direction inside the skull. The skull is a strong bone (stronger than steel or concrete of the same mass) and even a serious fall would not necessarily have pierced the skin to cause exterior bleeding (such as on the edge of a bathtub or on the floor). However, that kind of fall could fracture the skull and push some of it inward into the brain and initiateda brain bleed.

[quote]He had Covid at time of death.

The medical examiner said that one can test positive 3 months after having been infected. As mentioned above, he had COVID at the end of November/early December, had a booster shot mid-December. His family said he was in great health, and he was doing interviews and seemed to feel fine, and was excited to be on the road performing. I doubt he had COVID again.

R123, why stop now? He's been contradicting medical findings from published studies for the last year and a half.

R149, did you see his last interview? Seemed like he was on benzos or something. Not exactly in 'great health'.

I'm guessin' that brain bleed happened FAST. Hit his head, went to bed...and bled.

The maid did it. She probably argued with him over which Olsen twin was the ugliest. So she backhanded him.

The Full House had the wake at the former Cielo drive home site. You know where. Yeah, the greedy douche{Franklin} thought it to be a great place for an 21,000sf monstrosity to call home. He is selling it and rubbing his mitts right now.

R148, I was thinking the same. If the internal bleeding from a blow to the back of the head was that massive, blood was likely going out every socket in the skull, the eye sockets being one of them. Also, shifting pressures within the skull (back to front) might have caused the black eyes.

I wonder if Gupta was on to something - maybe he fell down the stairs at the hotel.

[quote]you don’t get multiple skull fractures from hitting your head on the headboard

If you’re having a particularly good night, and he keeps pumpin’ ya might.

[quote]Maybe Bobs family paid off the medical examiner and law enforcement, begging them to protect Bobs legacy

So your theory is the family would permit the person who brutally beat their beloved husband and father to death to go free and unpunished so as not to tarnish his legacy?

It is relatively easy to hit your head in a strange hotel room. Maybe not as hard as the autopsy suggests, but there is heavy furniture all over the place whose placement you are not familiar with in the dark, there are overhead cabinets that protrude further than the one at your place, lights too low on the headboard, not to mention the evil shower-over-bath arrangement hotels favour, often without supplying a grab rail to prevent slipping when getting out.

[quote]What are you supposed to do if you are alone at night in a city you don't know in a hotel, and bump your head?

Step 1: NEVER stay in a hotel without 24-hour reception, especially when travelling alone. Step 2: Throw on a tracksuit, go downstairs and tell Reception what happened and that although you think you're OK, you're going to read a book where they can see you for a while just in case. Even if you fall asleep they'll give you a prod now and then to make sure you still make sense. If you're not in the US they'll probably have a doctor under contract who will come and check you for free. If you bump your head hard, though, call Reception to call an ambulance. That way if you black out everyone knows where you are.

Mr brother in law fell off a ladder at work and hit his head on the concrete floor. He was only on the second rung when he slipped. He was apparently conscious at first, even as they took him by ambulance. He was supposedly talking and able to walk before that. As he got to the hospital he lost consciousness and was within minutes needing life support. The bleeding happened quickly, causing a lot of pressure. The dr said in a case like that you need to be pretty quick, but that a bleed is difficult to contain. We saw his X-rays, and you could quite clearly see the hemorrhage. The dr said he could really have never been saved given the length of time, short as it was. What does this have to do with the story? Take knocks to the noggin seriously. Time is not on your side if something is seriously wrong.

R15 No drugs or alcohol were found in his body, according to the autopsy report.

R135, Not lying, because the doctors called it an "unwitnessed" occurrence. There's no crime in making an incorrect surmise, I don't think.

And who knows? There could be worry about bad PR from the hotel mgmt, or maybe the family wants to "move on"?

According to CNN's report, the coroner stated Saget had Klonopin and Trazadone in his system. He was an anxious mess. Why was he by himself? And there was not only his mental condition, but he was positive for Covid and had an enlarged heart with an artery that was 95% blocked. The man had one foot in the grave. This man was worth millions and had access to the best medical care available. This death seems senseless.

His cause of death could well be a cover up. He was this prominent individual who had what seemingly was a spotless reputation. If his death had tawdry elements his family could well have paid to keep mouths shut. Or maybe they were just good at persuasion. Maybe it was thought oh well, he was a really nice, so to avoid embarrassment to his reputation and his family why not fudge the facts a little?

I don’t think it was a fall. I think he was in an underground bare knux fist fight.

[quote] shifting pressures within the skull (back to front) might have caused the black eyes.

How do you explain the bilateral orbital skull fractures (to the front of his head) then?

There was another neurosurgeon on CNN talking about this just now. He said the same thing Dr. Gupta said, that the injuries outlined in the autopsy report are not consistent with the “fell backwards, didn’t think a thing about it and just went to bed” story. Those were some high-velocity blows to the head (multiple blows, not just “a fall.”)

A different neurosurgeon discusses Bob Saget's autopsy results in depth and basically echoes what Gupta said: such extensive fractures is not what you'd see in someone who just experienced a ground fall. Says that he's only seen these injuries in victims of high speed crashes or falls from great heights or severe injuries that a UFC fighter might sustain after repeated head blows. "These injuries are not in line with the orderly scene that security came upon when they first found him."

"I just can't understand how a simple fall backwards could cause this. It doesn't make any sense."

I don't see a mystery here. Saget entered his hotel room at around 2:15 a.m., had a normal conversation with his wife on the phone, and was then found the next afternoon lying on his bed in a normal position, without any evidence of foul play. How could it have been anything other than hitting his head on the headboard or possibly slipping in the shower, thinking he was okay and then dying from a brain bleed, as the medical examiner said?

"This is significant trauma," said Dr. Gavin Britz, the chair in neurosurgery at Houston Methodist. "This is something I find with someone with a baseball bat to the head or who has fallen from 20 or 30 feet."

"If you fracture your orbit, you have significant pain."

R166 Because the fractures are too extensive and severe to be consistent with what security found when they entered the room. Someone with those fractures would not have been able to dress themselves and go to bed and pull the covers up... neurosurgeons have been speaking out about how this is not a situation where Bob would've wanted to "sleep it off." He would have been completely confused or unconscious the second it happened.

Based on the most recent article it looks like the NYT is gearing up for the inevitable investigation that will ensue because the scene doesn't add up.

My question then is, why would the medical examiner not know all of this?

R170 Medical examiners can make mistakes. Or they can be corrupt/paid off. Maybe Bob was deep into drugs/fucking prostitutes and his family wants to hush it up and were willing to pay tons of money. It's Orlando. I know the PD there is incompetent, at least.

I understand anyone in any profession can make mistakes, but if other doctors weighing in on this are correct, the examiner's findings would be more than a mistake because the other doctors are seeing basic things that seem obvious to them as doctors. I didn't know ME's can be corrupt. That's interesting, I guess.

R172 I mean, anyone can be corrupt. It's a high profile case and clearly the outcome could cause immense shame to the family. They clearly are very invested in his legacy and in promoting him as this extraordinary, kind man. Might not even be corruption as much as empathy for the family plus a payout. I doubt Bob would have wanted an investigation anyway... seems like he felt like he was near death anyway.

It can seem like the hit wasn't that bad, and just go on with whatever you were doing.

Head trauma from bathroom falls are extremely common at his age. Any number of the people commenting in this thread will die virtually the exact same way.

R174 This wasn't just a hit to the head, his skull was literally bludgeoned. Someone doesn't fall off a cliff and just try to "sleep it off"...

Was it one of those weirdo dwarf twins in their strange black garb?

I don't want to go to this rabbit hole. From all accounts there is no one that would have hurt him. The coroner did not say the the skill was "bludgeoned" R175.

He said I wasn't funny once too often.

R177 The neurosurgeons who have read the autopsy have said essentially that his skull was bludgeoned. He had basically the worst trauma you can have, which results from very high-impact situations like an unrestrained high speed car crash or being beaten with a bat.

He probably was killed by a prostitute or it was related to drugs. He was an absolute mess. I don't blame the family for wanting to cover this up. By all accounts he was a great friend and father.

There's a lot of nurses in this twitter thread saying that they don't think a simple fall accounts for all the fractures.

Looks like this will end up being a much bigger story.

My guess is that he met up with a drug connection and it all went bad. He was said to have died of "blunt head trauma." More like blunt FORCE head trauma.

The NYT piece is getting picked up all over the place. This story is gaining traction, not fading away. I wonder if the Orlando PD will feel any pressure to open up an investigation.

R182 Orlando PD is beyond incompetent. Let's see how much they f*ck this up. I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting paid off either

It just happens. Sometimes people just die for no really good reason.

Mrs. Ramsey, where were you on January 9, 2022?

Might have had to do with a gambling debt.

[quote]He probably was killed by a prostitute or it was related to drugs. He was an absolute mess. I don't blame the family for wanting to cover this up.

Are you saying this happened in the hotel room? Reports were that he entered his room at 2:15 a.m. There's no record of anyone leaving the room after that. Unless I'm missing something, how could this be a crime scene with no evidence of foul play and no one exiting his room?

Repressed RAAGGEEE!

I had something similar happen to me on December 27th. I got really sick to my stomach after taking vitamins and went to go throw up and I must have passed out. I woke up in the bathtub and the water was still warm. Sometimes I lay down in the tub when I'm sick to my stomach. I work from home, so I just went back and worked. About 4 hours later I touched my temple and it really hurt, but only when I touched it. Two days later my eye was black, my forehead was yellow and I could feel 3 different bumps on my temple and forehead.

I didn't go to the hospital because it had been two days. My head didn't hurt at all, only when I touched it. But it feels really weird a month and a half later. I probably did fracture my skull. I still have a little bit of bruising around my eye.

[quote] What are you basing your assumption that he was on blood thinners on? Speculation?

The pill bottle on the nightstand

Who murdered Bob Saget?

R191 Butch sous chef?

JFC, almost 200 threads and no mention of all the pedo, and creep rumours? Holy fuck has this place gone downhill.

A couple of our late, great gossip threads had posts about this. The replies ranged from the disturbed conspiracy types-like, the Satanic/illuminati level, to a couple of posters who seemed to be insiders w/low key posts. They said he was part of the seedier, nightclub underground still prevalent in some quarters of the entertainment industry.

R189, You have been both foolish and lucky, it seems. Not a good combination to depend on in life.

And "vitamins" make you vomit? You get "sick to your stomach" more than very rarely (implied)?

You're doing something wrong.

And you should still get your head and brain checked, no joke.

It seems really strange that a corrupt coroner would miss such a thing as making the head injury too severe that would contradict his conclusion of a simple fall backwards resulting in an unfortunate hemorrhage in the head.

I mean, are Gupta and the other doctor, or doctors, conspiracy theorists who see crime and mischief where it isn't? Or did the coroner fuck up and cover up a more sinister death?

Was Bob Saget really that big of star to warrant this kind of attention? Seriously it has been constant on the news, ET, here. I have to see Candice Fucking Bure on TV looking sympathetic. She is an evil republican cunt.

Saget was tall. I know how it happened. He was bending down in the kitchen to find something in a drawer, stood up suddenly, and whacked his head on a open cabinet door above him.

Close your cabinet doors in the kitchen people! We need a task force!

He was in a hotel room with a kitchen R197?

Link

r158 some of the bigger suites have full kitchens if he was staying in one of those celeb level suites. I once got upgraded to a presidential suite because I won a contest at work for our SKO, had a full kitchen with Viking appliances and two levels, and a grand piano.

🙄

Oh, now we're going to add a Viking range and a grand piano into the mix! By Jove, r199, I think you've added immensely to this mystery!

I wonder what Sanjay Gupta and other media doctors think happened. There's no evidence that anyone else was in Saget's room, and there was no foul play suspected. Do they think he fell down stairs after his gig, brushed himself off and went back to his hotel, unaware of how injured he was? (I'm too lazy to google any of this.)

Room 962 does not appear to have a kitchen with cabinets.

It is possible he had the door to the safe open and whacked his head on that.

It was Candace in the hotel room with a crucifix!

Does anyone know where Lori Loughlin was at the time?

I still want to know if anyone else has heard that you can test positive for COVID 3 months after infection, as the medical examiner said. I've never heard that.

I hope he died with the Resting Smiley Face he always had in life. What is the advantage in covering anything up though? People are mentioning legacy, but what’s to gain from that ,and why would a coroner and others risk their careers over at best a mid tier celebrity?

Maybe the family is trying to avoid a *lowers voice* Chris Burrous situation.

From Reddit: "Coincidentally...this is the same ME who confirmed Epstein died of suicide. .... " I wonder if this is true???

Also from Reddit:

Ok, so not to stir the pot here but… before I offer my opinion on this, I’m an ED doc who trained and works at a busy level 1 trauma center in a city known for its violence.

We see A-LOT of head trauma.

There is no way in my mind that Saget endured these injuries without losing consciousness and even less of a chance that he regained consciousness enough too get up off the ground and in a coordinated manner make it back to bed to lay peacefully the way they found him. If he woke up from this trauma with any sort of awareness laying back in bed without seeking help would have been the last thought in his mind. This is a major TBI and virtually 100% of these present unconscious. The few that make it to the ED awake are grossly altered- ie disoriented, confused, and often with severely impoverished motor function.

Secondly. I would like my EM colleagues in this crowd to raise their hand if they have ever seen or even heard of someone suffering multiple facial bone fractures after a ground level fall resulting in occipital impact…… wtf. And then bilateral temporal subdurals on this guy?

Look, call me skeptical but this sounds like someone smashed the back of Saget’s head into the ground multiple times, breaking his facial bones in the process.

Looking forward to your thoughts on this.

Link to the Reddit thread mentioned above.

R208 = Mai do

Since nothing will bring Bob Saget back, can we kill two birds with one stone and find a way to pin this on John Mayer?

At first I thought its possible he slipped outside on some ice on the way back to his hotel. Whacked his head hard and then thought it wasnt bad, got up, went back to his hotel and went to bed.

I dont understand the extent of the injuries though. I know you can hit your head hard and die but both orbitals fractured as well as front orbital bone?

Clearly, the Olsen twins got their TV dad drunk, bashed his head in and put him in his hotel bed. Then they bullied Saget's family and the ME into submission. And all, because they are fed up with John Stamos begging them to do a cameo for the new Full House show. It's all John Stamos' fault!

Thank you, r211.

r209, not only that but there are also rumours that he was on the lolita express manifests.

Did the Olsens ever release a statement?

R214 Bob died in Florida lol. There’s no way he slipped on ice.

R216 yes the olsens released a statement

Well, the little skinnier one killed Heath Ledger with all the drug she carried around in that gigantic purse- wouldn't put it past her to murder again.

R210 Where did you read Saget had "facial bone fractures"?

The excerpt I read said they were posterior scalp abrasions and "skull fracture". The word facial was never used. The discolorations around the eyes were due to the subdural hematoma, not blunt force trauma.

Per the report, the beloved Full House actor had posterior scalp abrasions, subgaleal hemorrhage (which is blood that forms between skull and scalp), discoloration in the upper and lower eyelids due to skull fracture, subdural hematoma (which is a buildup of blood on the surface of the brain) and subarachnoid hemorrhage (which is bleeding in the space that surrounds the brain).

^ IOW everything I've read says this was clearly a "talk and die", although he was alone obviously. Natasha Richardson said she was "fine" several hours after her minor spill.

That Reddit thread is disturbing when they discuss (scoff at) a letter a wife wrote saying no more treatment for Covid I believe. What was so disturbing is that these docs agree that death is better than going to a skilled nursing facility or long term critical care as they are so understaffed.

R217, Bob was outside walking back to his hotel when he dropped his venti iced cappuccino. He slipped on the ice from the drink and fell.

R221 Natasha Richardson didn’t have any skull fractures though. It’s a different situation

[quote]That Reddit thread is disturbing when they discuss (scoff at) a letter a wife wrote saying no more treatment for Covid I believe. What was so disturbing is that these docs agree that death is better than going to a skilled nursing facility or long term critical care as they are so understaffed.

They call the ICUs full of Covid the "vegetable patch", and sometimes it's better to pick vegetables than let them rot. Because living on a vent with severe respiratory disease will lead to kidney failure, other organ failure and slow, uncomfortable death.

Any disco lights left behind?

R224 Not really different. Brain bleeds may or may not involve skull fracture.

Subdural hematomas occur when a blood clot forms underneath the skull and underneath the dura, but outside of the brain. These can form from a tear in the veins that go from the brain to the dura, or from a cut on the brain itself. They are sometimes, but not always, associated with a skull fracture.

Richardson had a "classic" middle meningeal artery rupture, which results in fast bleeding and caused a large epidural hematoma. The swelling and inflammation quickly caused the brain to swell. The physics of the brain lead to the cortex moving downward through the foramina, where it begins to crush the brain stem, the primitive center of consciousness, with death ensuing.

I was taught that a classic sign of this was being lucent for hours before losing consciousness.

R227 the point is that it would have taken tremendous force to FRACTURE Bob’s skull in the way that it was fractured

R220 - I think they were referring to C and D here in the list of injuries

[quote] the point is that it would have taken tremendous force to FRACTURE Bob’s skull in the way that it was fractured

What do you mean by the WAY it was fractured. There is no information about the WAY of anything. A fracture is a fracture. It's a crack in the bone that could be sustained by even mild impact. Tremendous force is not required to fracture a bone. I don't understand what your point is.

It does seem difficult to reconcile the presence of orbital fractures with a fall to the occiput.

R206, yes, you can still test positive for COVID for up to 3 month after initial infection. It doesn’t mean you are actively ill and still contagious, it’s just that some of the dead virus particles can still be present in your nose and cause positive test.

If I died unexpectedly of blunt force trauma while alone in a hotel room, I would very much hope to get a murder investigation. No homicide investigation seems fishy and like a cover up--especially since Saget was wealthy and well known and would be much viewed as worthy of the effort of an investigation. Why isn't this being investigated as possible homicide?

'Richardson had a "classic" middle meningeal artery rupture, which results in fast bleeding and caused a large epidural hematoma. The swelling and inflammation quickly caused the brain to swell. The physics of the brain lead to the cortex moving downward through the foramina, where it begins to crush the brain stem, the primitive center of consciousness, with death ensuing.

I was taught that a classic sign of this was being lucent for hours before losing consciousness.'

How do you know this wasn't true for Saget??

I think he accidentally saw an episode of Fuller House and his head exploded.

It could be possible they have more info than they’re releasing to the pubic because the bottom line is it’s nobody’s business but the family’s. It’s intriguing to think it’s more than a simple fall, I’ll admit it, but we’ll probably never know.

R235 Simply put: the autopsy of Richardson indicated the presence of middle meningeal artery dissection.

That was NOT found on S's autopsy.

Read the autopsies if you have further questions.

I wonder if his hotel room has been preserved.

[Quote] What do you mean by the WAY it was fractured. There is no information about the WAY of anything.

As per the family's statement below he fell and hit the back of his head.

“The authorities have determined that Bob passed from head trauma,” the family said in a statement obtained by NewsNation. “They have concluded that he accidentally hit the back of his head on something, thought nothing of it and went to sleep.”

Can any of the MDs here explain r232?

That struck me as odd, too. No pun intended.

R240. And that could fracture a skull. Why are you being so obtuse?

Didn't someone say he was slurring his speech in a podcast? So he has pill/booze problems...took too much, fell down a few times and passed out.

elder gays, don't ever fall. you will likely die very soon afterwards...you either hit your head or break your hip.

A few relatives fell, broke their hips and then had hip replacement but died soon after.

R243, and one of those drugs, Trazadone, thins the blood big time.

All of those pieces of shit on twitter claiming the vaccine/booster killed Saget need to die in a fucking grease fire.

R242 - not being obtuse. Im honestly asking is it actually possible to get this list of injuries incl orbital fractures from slipping and hitting the back of your head? Several neurosurgeons have come out to say no its not.

Did they find any video equipment?

The advice has always been to Not go to sleep for 12 hours after a head injury because of brain inflammation. if you go to sleep with a concession you might not wake up. Always go to the hospital if you hit your head hard.

I think he was drunk, but the family is suppressing it to save his reputation, like he was such a clean living family man or whatever.

"thins the blood big time"

Please avoid using such technical medical jargon.

I didn't even know who this guy was when it was all over the news about his passing. I haven't watched network TV in ages. I did know who those Olson twins were and something about them just didn't seem normal to me. Family channel has been airing reruns of "Full House" all day so I finally watched a few episodes. It wasn't a bad show and like some of the old ones I used to watch before I just shut everything off. Saget definitely played a wholesome dad and then I watched a clip of a roast that was done for him. I thought the jokes were sick. No one should joke about young girls being raped, murdered or otherwise sexually abused. Maybe this is why those twins just didn't seem right to me. Saget's so-called comedy routine is sickening too...at least to me.

Just looking at the recent pics of him he had an unwell appearance. He didn't look like an especially happy person. His heart disease is perhaps why. I noticed the same thing as with George Michael. He had those deep rings/wrinkles around his neck. I wondered when Michael died if that was a sign of his heart disease and then the same appearance was on Saget. He was a tall guy so maybe being in a strange hotel room he slipped backwards in the shower.

[quote] Where did you read Saget had "facial bone fractures"?

Once again, the list of his injuries, including bilateral orbit fractures involving the FRONTAL BONE:

- Abrasion of the posterior scalp

- Subgaleal hemorrhage underlying the abrasion

- Linear fracture of the base of the skull

- Comminuted fractures of the roofs of the orbits involving the bilateral frontal bone

- Bilateral partial periorbital ecchymoses

- Subdural hematoma

- Subarachnoid hemorrhage

- Contrecoup contusions involving the bilateral frontal lobes and bilateral temporal lobes

These are the kind of high-velocity injuries you would see in a car crash or falling down a flight of stairs. Multiple high-velicity injuries and multiple skull fractures. You don’t get this kind of injuries from “falling backwards, thinking nothing of it and going to sleep.” That story is ridiculous.

link for R253

Not that this is anything to brag about, but you guys know nothing about Florida or how things work here.

First of all, I want to remind you that many of you supported Val Demings for VP. She was the police chief in Orlando before she was elected to the House of Representatives. Her husband Jerry is Mayor of Orange County, where Orlando is located. Make of that what you will.

Secondly, Florida runs on tourism -- especially in Orlando. Even when I lived in St. Pete, which is not nearly as dependent on tourist dollars, when unpleasant things happened, they were hushed up very quickly; great efforts were made to make sure local bad news did not go national -- because -- what if the tourists don't come??? And this was in St. Pete!! Orlando is a million times worse. If tourists don't come to Orlando...that's the end of Orlando.

My guess is that there was some sort of foul play. He was mugged or some such and either the hotel covered it up or the police did. They possibly had co-operation from the family, but not necessarily. Because -- what if he was mugged? That hotel will lose business, and Orlando will get a reputation for not being safe even for famous people! How will they get any talent to come?

When you think about things that happen in Florida, you must look at it from that perspective. How will this even affect the tourist dollars coming in? Only then will it make sense.

Sorry -- how will this EVENT affect tourist dollars.

That Reddit thread said the ME is the same one who examined Jeffrey Epstein after his *suicide*…

[quote]The advice has always been to Not go to sleep for 12 hours after a head injury because of brain inflammation. if you go to sleep with a concession you might not wake up. Always go to the hospital if you hit your head hard.

If you are too lazy and/or drunk and want to go home, find a family member or friend to do neuro checks q 15 minutes ideally. That way, if you have a bleed and start decompensating, they can arrange for immediate care.

Native Floridian here, and R255 is full of crap.

R255 = would-be Miss Dick Tracy.

yes, so he probably fell down the stairs, drunk people fall down a lot!

Yup, R259 -- that's what you guys do -- cover shit up and pretend this stuff never happens.

Way to prove me right.

The problem is that once the symptoms show up, it's almost too late to wait for an emergency vehicle to arrive and drive you to the emergency room (or be driven to the emergency room by a friend or spouse). That is why people should go immediately to a doctor or a place which can make a CT scan helping the doctor to decide whether there is a need to take immediate action.

In the case of Bob Saget. If he just fell on the stairs, why is the reason of his unfortunate accident covered up? You don't have to come up with something that does not seem to add up if it was an unfortunate accident and nobody's fault. You cover up a crime or something really embarrassing (like autoerotic asphyxiation).

Did the tall drunk klutz fall down some stairs, dust himself off and crawl into bed? Wouldnt he have been in severe pain with skull base, temporal and orbital fractures?

More importantly, he may have been rendered too cognitively impaired to do anything, regardless of pain. The back of the skull is very hardy, though.

If he was concussed and hurting that badly, perhaps in his confused state he thought: 'I'll just rest a few minutes and then get up and call 9-1-1."

I didn't know what the term comminuted fracture meant. It's a fracture in which the bone is broken into at least three pieces--i.e., splintered. If his orbitals were splintered, I'm leaning toward the idea that he took a tumble down the stairs, sustaining injuries dorsally and ventrally.

Thr freaky thing is, you COULD have severe brain injuries and not realize you’re dying. There was a case of a college student who bludgeoned his parents; the father died, the mother survived.

The thing that haunted me when I read about it was the father had severe blows to the head and was bleeding all over the house but when forensics tracked his movements he was doing normal morning routine things he would do as he was dying—-he retrieved the newspaper from the front door and went into the bathroom and took out shaving supplies. If I remember right he collapsed shortly after that and bled to death. The brain was still functioning as though it was just a typical morning. Eerie as fuck.

It is the "conclusion" that is suspect, first and foremost.

The formal family statement is that the "authorities" (WHO AND WHENCE?) determined Saget "accidentally"---OKAY, STOP THERE. What is the evidence for concluding the injuries were "accidental"?? THERE WERE NO KNOWN WITNESSES.

"...hit his head on something"---OKAY, STOP THERE. "Something"?? That's the best the "authorities" could pinpoint? Not even suggesting "edge of the tub"?

"....thought nothing of it"---OKAY, STOP THERE. WTF? Medical personnel** are mind-readers of the dead now?

"...went to sleep."---OKAY, STOP THERE. Just because a man is found dead in his bed does not prove he had fallen "asleep." A beaten corpse can be placed upon a bed.

**My term. The family statement seems not to include the word "medical" or "doctor." (Having difficulty finding the verbatim statement.)

Maybe he fell UP the stairs.

The forensic pathologist is not qualified or expected to "conclude" anything. This is from the horse's mouth when I was conferencing with them at my brother's autopsy.

We assumed the pathologists would tell us whether my brother had died from his auto accident or whether he had survived and been beaten to death. He was living in Tijuana at the time of his death and his body had been missing for days. We found his body in a jail cell.

The doctors informed us immediately that they cannot tell us how he died, only that his injuries might be consistent with certain scenarios. He might have died from the wreck or been alive and died later from additional injuries. They said because of television shows people expect the autopsy doctors to be detectives. They were very empathetic but made it clear they couldn't tell us whether his injuries came from the accident or or other external causes.

I wonder what scenario, hypothetically speaking, would be shameful or damaging enough that the family would be complicit in a cover up? If he were hit on the head or attacked by someone, what might have been a shameful enough situation that Saget as a victim would look bad if the truth came out? If it were a fall or he bumped his head, what type of circumstance for an accident would be damaging enough to his family or his legacy that it would be covered up? Or, is the cover up meant to protect the guilty party more than Saget?

Perhaps someone sent in a "cleaner" to fix a messy scene after he died---a cleaner who destroyed evidence and tucked his corpse into bed? That would be so like the old studio days. I wonder if that happens now because this whole thing reeks of a cleaner.

Either he had a habit of hitting his head to comfort himself, like a child, or he got a hustler who kept banging his head into a headboard with the intent of causing bodily harm (that happened to me once, so I know it's a possibility)>

R268, I was just about to mention that case

A few hours before the news broke about Bob Saget someone on twitter tweeted "someone check on Bob Saget." A relative of Bob's wife commented under it something like "please respond to my DM" or something

Really fucking eerie now.

Wow, R271. Sorry for your loss. That sounds terrible.

Hugs to R271

xoxoxo

Strange. The headboards generally in hotel rooms tend to be padded. I don't think they are made of hard material such as wood that will cause so much fracture and trauma that they are talking about. And it has to be a really hard hit.

[quote]Perhaps someone sent in a "cleaner" to fix a messy scene after he died---a cleaner who destroyed evidence and tucked his corpse into bed?

Knock. Knock. Knock....Housekeeping.

R277 R278. Thank you. It was an absolute nightmare. I mean that almost literally in that I was constantly looking around thinking "this can't be real, I entered hell when?" I had recently visited him there after he took the job. He had a lovely apartment on the beach. He was 46.

R271, You support my point, unwittingly. I challenged how "the authorities" can definitively state the death was "accidental."

[quote]They call the ICUs full of Covid the "vegetable patch", and sometimes it's better to pick vegetables than let them rot. Because living on a vent with severe respiratory disease will lead to kidney failure, other organ failure and slow, uncomfortable death.

Some people survive this situation and recover, R225. There is hope and every patient should be treated with life-saving in mind.

[quote] I wonder what scenario, hypothetically speaking, would be shameful or damaging enough that the family would be complicit in a cover up? If he were hit on the head or attacked by someone, what might have been a shameful enough situation that Saget as a victim would look bad if the truth came out?

If it were a drug deal gone bad his family would sure want to cover up the circumstances of his death.

So he was doing stand up shows and he was Covid positive? What the hell was he doing performing while he was infected with Covid? What was the deal with that?

Since he had COVID sometime between late November and early December and then got a booster shot in mid-December, doubt he had COVID again in early January. The medical examiner said one can test positive 3 months after infection and, since he added that, he probably knew Saget didn't actually have COVID again.

R251: Trazadone side effects:

This drug may raise the chance of bleeding. Sometimes, bleeding can be life-threatening. Signs of bleeding like throwing up or coughing up blood; vomit that looks like coffee grounds; blood in the urine; black, red, or tarry stools; bleeding from the gums; abnormal vaginal bleeding; bruises without a cause or that get bigger; or bleeding you cannot stop. Some people may have a higher chance of eye problems with this drug. This drug can cause low sodium levels. Very low sodium levels can be life-threatening, leading to seizures, passing out, trouble breathing, or death. Signs of high or low blood pressure like very bad headache or dizziness, passing out, or change in eyesight.

r271 see r255.

That's not necessarily true. A dirty little secret of the medical industry in many jurisdictions: coroner (or ME,etc.) and Chief public health officer (or Medical Officer of Health, etc.) are often sinecures for all the misfit, fuck-up doctors. The GPs who got caught embezzling from their practice partner, alcoholics, drug users, mentally ill, etc. [In some areas, they don't have to be doctors, let alone pathologists or public health physicians.]

Point being: what he says is true to a certain extent, but he's also probably covering his own ass. Much better to make a general, sweeping statement about profession capability than answer specific [medical] questions about a suspicious American death in a narco state.

Sorry for your loss.

Side note: when the real history of Covid is written, this will be a big factor in the failed response. Allegedly, the hospital "suggested" our MoH for the job when she was caught taking kickbacks from a drug company to exclusively use their drug. (She was an anaesthesiologist.)

Fuck!

The last person I'd want Datalounge to be caught up in conspiracy theories about is BOB FUCKING SAGET.

Somebody clean it up, for fuck's sake! We're better than this!

Has someone asked, what is the percentage chance Saget could have done this to himself by falling in his hotel room?

From what I've read, it seems to be zero to 5%.

I am the one who started the other thread on Saget hysteria. I told you all he was 65, not "young" whether some of you think 65 is young or not. It isn't. It is perfectly logical that he fell and died. These things happen.

I love these DL medical investigation threads!

As just a lay person, I would have thought if Saget had entered the hotel room at 2:30 am, and somehow he bashed his head in that blood would be, oh, everywhere? Like in the movies? Or no.

Does anyone know if he had an enemy?

Let's do Occam's Razor here. TIA

[QUOTE] So he was doing stand up shows and he was Covid positive? What the hell was he doing performing while he was infected with Covid? What was the deal with that?

He was a potty-mouthed drunk driver, and you're surprised he would perform with COVID?

The autopsy didn't mention external bleeding, for those of you who keep bringing up "where's all the blood?"

I don't see how one could have that extreme level of damage with no blood. It seemed like he was whacked on the back of the head with a baseball bat. Try that with a watermelon..🤔

His skull was fractured from back to front — literally from the back of his skull all the way through to his eye sockets, enough to cause bruising around the eyes.

So, from what medical experts are saying, he fell off a 5-story balcony and then came back to his room and tucked himself into bed?

With no blood anywhere.eyeroll.

When Heather McDonald collapsed on stage last week, she went out right away. I assume someone had to carry her off the stage. That was someone falling hard on and hitting the back of her head. She didn't die of her injuries, but hitting her head that hard knocked her out and she wouldn't have been able to make her way off the stage afterwards. So, if he hit his head that hard, it had to have been on the bed, otherwise how would he have gotten himself on the bed?

Heather did an interview with Dr. Drew and told him she had her booster shot 3 weeks before she fell, and she asked him how long after a booster shot can an adverse effect occur, and he said up to 3 weeks later. He said it's still worth it to get the booster shot. Since the hospital couldn't tell her what happened after running many tests, she's considering it being possibly from the shot. Saget had his booster shot in mid-December. Could that have caused him to pass out? But if it did, that still doesn't explain how he got up and made it to his bed.

Medical experts here might want to weigh in, but if someone actually has a severely bleeding skull injury, there are major arteries supplying blood to the brain, and a person will bleed OUT - not in. Referencing the car accident I mentioned I was part of earlier, I was in the hospital when the person who died was brought in. From the nurses gossip that I was eavesdropping on, (I was in the curtained area immediately adjacent to the dead body), , the front of him was not bleeding at all, but he has some sort of rupture at the back of the skull, and the nurse who brought him in from the ambulance said, and I quote, "I have never seen so much blood in my entire life, and I'm a trauma nurse". If the autopsy of Saget says he died of a brain bleed that caused brain damage and ultimately death, he was bleeding IN, not out. In spite of skull fractures here or there, it doesn't appear that the fall or falls that he experienced opened up his skull. Maybe his damage occurred in an area not immediately close to a major artery. Moreover, an autopsy would reveal whether someone had bled out. There was no mention of that. A bleed out will involve 5-6 quarts of blood. That's a lot of blood to clean up. We've had the example above of a guy bludgeoned by his son who still got up and walked around his house. His skull was severely fractured. So I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all reaction to brain trauma. I think, by what I've read, that depending on the type of skull injury a person has sustained, it may be as much as 15 minutes before he will pass out, although 5 minutes would be more likely. Long enough for someone to pick himself up off the bathroom floor and crawl into bed. A 250 pound guy 6'4 is going to go down a lot harder than someone 5'8 and 140 pounds.

Some of the scenarios being proposed are highly improbable. He's coming home from the club, gets in a major car wreck - they clean him up and put him to bed. OK, where's the damaged car? Someone sneaks into his hotel room, takes a baseball bat to his head. Where's the security footage? He falls off his balcony and the hotel staff drag him up to his room and tuck him into bed - and again, where is the security footage? Why? People fall of balconies all the time.

I think he knocked himself out - maybe fell twice - got up from a bad fall to the edge of the tub and went right down again - full weight.

R135 Full House is still a cash cow. It's not totally crazy to think that the ME could have been "persuaded" to list the cause of death as an accident rather than indicate any hint of foul play. I imagine the idea that one of the stars was beaten to death could damage the show's continued profitability and therefore the income streams of many people.

I'm not saying that's what happened; merely that it's in the realm of possibility.

Meant to ask if that could have caused him to pass out *and hit his head*...

For people who understand the examination and reporting process, how many individuals would it take to buy off to create a cover up? I agree that the story seems full of holes, but I just can’t understand the motive for officials to be willing to take career and legal risks to be part of a conspiracy to protect a random sit com actor popular in a past decade. Plus, even if you do buy off a ME, isn’t there an oversight structure in place to prevent malpractice and corruption? It’s hard to imagine one person is operating in a vacuum with impunity.

It's interesting to try to understand how this happened, but it doesn't seem at all conspiratorial to me.

R290, Yes, alas, "these things do," as earlier references to other such deaths attest.

However, other medical professionals have opined that Saget's injuries look like "a baseball bat" or another object had been taken to him.

The "accidental fall" must have been one hell of a one to produce the massive injuries to Saget's skull and brain.

"He hit the back of his head and the base of his skull."

If you were asked to place your hand on the above place(s) on yourself, would you touch one or two spots?

Not one news article has printed the actual autopsy report, preferring bits and pieces, the "accepted" scenario, references to vague "abrasions on the scalp," the family's statement/eulogy, and information about head injuries in general.

And yet Saget got up and, rather than staggering to a face- down collapse on the bed, lay himself down on his back, one arm down at his side, the other across his chest.

There also are mentions that he last used his key-card around 2:15 a.m., as per electronic records. Were there no hallway cameras? Their absence leads me to.....

Where was Bob Saget up until 2:15 a.m.? Just curious. Did he return alone?

Maybe everything happened pretty darn close to the accepted version: accidental fall leading to fatal brain bleed.

It is rather frightening to think: one slip in the tub and our skull cracks all over like a hard-boiled eggshell while our brain bounces around enough to break our eye sockets.

Addendum to r303:

Again.

R291 - time to read up on "closed head injury". A large percentage of CHIs are due to falls.

^there was a lot of blood - and it filled a cavity between the skull and the dura. The massive bleeding caused the brain to swell and press on the brain stem, which leads to death.

What's the proper protocol when you have one of these injuries?

R308 the key point is if you wack your head and you are conscious, call 911. You need to go to the ER and get a CT. Then the neurosurgeons get to work, reducing the swelling and inflammation. They use steroids and perform craniotomies.

R308, if you fall down go boom, call doctor.

Everything seems like a cover-up to me. Someone cleaned the scene by putting him in the bed after the "unfortunate accident" it seems too clean and convenient. It also looks like the family knows the issues he was having and the frantic Twitter reply before he was publicly pronounced dead.

well, he was too fucked up to call anyone...

I hope this is my last wondering, to wit:

If Bob Saget had broken eye sockets ("orbital bones") resulting in "black eyes," plus scalp abrasions, why was the initial probable CoD reported as a heart attack? Was Stevie Wonder first on the scene?

I suppose anything is possible, but the official explanation is entirely plausible. He was a tall, middle aged man. Roughly 200lbs, at least. It was the middle of the night so he was probably tired, he was on clonazepam (which can make you drowsy and dizzy). Imagine a short while after popping his meds he slipped or tripped and slammed his head at just the right angle to do major damage without immediate outward signs of it. I don't think we know anything about the decor of the hotel room, but a heavy tiled wall (like in a shower) or floor could do it. Or hitting the curve of one of those heavy wooden upholstered chairs, or a fancy headboard/bedframe. He was probably in pain, but that may have been dulled by his meds or even just the shock. Or he was feeling so drowsy/disoriented that despite the pain he just climbed into bed to sleep it off. It really isn't that hard to imagine when you add all those little factoids together.

This is not remotely to the same degree, but I once slammed the back of my head into the corner of a metal locker (classic dope move--standing upright too quickly in the locker room at the gym, upper locker open behind me). I was in massive pain and blood was gushing. I soaked through at least 3 towels. I must have been in shock though because after apologizing to the gym staff for the bloody mess, I literally walked out and went straight to work with an open head wound. It wasn't until I said out loud to someone at work what happened that I realized the severity of it, and then of course I went promptly to the hospital. Ended up with staples in my head. Luckily I was not otherwise injured and healed quick enough to do a triathlon a month later. But I was young, healthy, not on any meds/drugs, and interacted with people immediately after. If I was at home when this happened or gone straight home without talking to anyone I could imagine being disoriented enough to "lay down and sleep it off." Even more so if I had taken a pill that made me drowsy or dizzy on top of the injury.

So yeah, I guess it's possible someone took a baseball bat to his head and then tucked him nicely into bed. But it's not necessarily so.

Can someone post the tweet asking for someone to check on Bob?

R313, the black eye effect from an orbital fracture often takes hours to appear. Heart attack is a common best guess when you come upon a middle aged dead body with no outward sign of injury/distress. It was just a preliminary guess and not in any way tied to the autopsy results.

R314 Uhh did you even read most of the thread?

R317, uhh, yes. That's why I put my $.02 in. Take it for what it's worth, even if that's nothing to you.

Occam’s razor. What’s the most plausible? I can see wanting to protect someone’s image after death, but you’d need the ME, police, hotel staff, etc., in on it. There are cameras everywhere now, too, that would need to be scrubbed.

R315 here it is

R318 We all know it's possible to fall and die from a 1-story fall. The issue is that it's not very plausible that all of Bob;'s skull fractures came from such a simple fall. Yes, taking into account the fact that he was 6'4 and fat.

R319 WERE there cameras everywhere though? Why did authorities mention that they knew when Bob last entered his room based on his key card? Wouldn't there have been video footage of him going into his room? Unless there were no security cameras on that floor

What are the obvious places one can hit one's head in a hotel room? Dresser, table, shower area, sink in the bathroom? For him to hit the back of the head he has to slip and fall. I think that could have happened in the bathroom and according to the doctors, this would have resulted in the loss of consciousness immediately. There is definitely something more than just a fall here. He could not have fallen in the main room because the rooms are generally carpeted. And there are usually no hard headboards to hit one's head at night and go back to sleep in a hotel room. Imagine how rare is this to happen in a hotel room.

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I don’t know, R322, but it seems most hotels have cameras everywhere, now, including elevators. I’m not saying nothing foul happened, but there are a lot of variables at play, including eye-witnesses, possible video footage, etc.

R323 And it doesn't seem like Bob was in bed naked so it's hard to believe that someone with so much head trauma could dress himself AND tuck himself into bed. So that might rule out the shower theory.

Maybe he slammed his head on the door frame leading to the bathroom and had a seizure on the bathroom tiles? That's the only thing I can think of.

R325 I think the foul play theory is contingent on a coverup, though.

Are mainstream news sources questioning the death and asking about a cover up, or just some Nancy Drews on DL?

R321, head injuries especially are not just about the amount of force, but the angle and location of impact.

That asshat Heather MacDonald has been all over the news for fainting and falling on stage resulting in a skull fracture. Then again, she posted a pic of herself in full makeup in the hospital bed with no visible sign of injury, so maybe that's a conspiracy too.

Do you always refer to helpless, injured tiny women as asshats, R329?

Doctors left scratching their heads

R328 why would mainstream media question the circumstances of his death. They report what the family wants to be known.

R330, shit, no, that was my screwup after I poorly edited what I initially wrote (I started by snarking about the asshat theory that her fall was related to the Covid vaccine, but decided not to bother with that rabbit hole). Figures I wouldn't notice leaving in a superfluous "asshat." Damn lack of edit button.

If we're going with doctors on Twitter, there are plenty others who are not scratching their heads and who are explaining what may have happened quite clearly.

R333 He's basically the only doctor I've seen who thinks this whole situation is plausible. And a few doctors counter his conclusions in the comments.

Randos on Twitter want to link his death to the booster SO BADLY. All those other drugs, his age, lifestyle, and his heart condition but sure, Jan, it was the booster. God, antivaxxers sicken me.

R290, Believe me, 65 is indeed YOUNG.

R334 are all the doctors you've seen linking his death to hypothetical gambling debts, or is that just you?

R334 Why would a doctor speculate on the cause of his murder?

R324 if you read the details in the article, despite the Daily Mail's typical sensationalism, many of the experts they style as "questioning" the cause of death are actually being quite even-handed about it. Gupta explicitly said “When you read this autopsy report that may still be the case [meaning a slip and fall], but it was a pretty significant blow to the head.” Dr. Megan Ranney followed up her "what really happened" tweet with “PS: this doesn't mean it was INTENTIONAL trauma, either. But this is more than just "I whacked my head on the kitchen cabinet.” Which boils down to them saying "If this was a fall, it was a very bad one, not a simple slip and bump."

r327 there can be a cover-up without foul play, which muddies the waters. I also think the family are well aware of the pedo/creep rumours. IMHO, Whether or not they're true, they wouldn't want any sordid element around his death to gain traction and dredge everything up. It might put their morals/judgement into question also.

He could've been on binge w/sex workers but died a natural and/or accidental dealth a la John Entwhistle. (Although the drug part of that came out at autopsy.)

Sorry for your loss, R271!

[quote] Point being: what he says is true to a certain extent, but he's also probably covering his own ass. Much better to make a general, sweeping statement about profession capability than answer specific [medical] questions about a suspicious American death in a narco state.

I considered that. These two doctors seemed very focused on telling us they couldn't tell us anything. When I suggested that the collision seemed catastrophic enough to cause death, (since we couldn't bear to consider he was alive long enough to be brutalized again) they quickly said it was possible to survive a wreck like that. Perhaps the delay in the autopsy made them so circumspect, but I did feel like we spent a lot of money on an "expert" opinion (there was an autopsy done in Mexico) that got us nowhere.

^ posted by R271

Watch Heather MacDonald's video. She's TINY, and as she's fainting her body buckles, helping break her fall. Despite that, the back of her head hits the stage floor (which I'm guessing is laminate) hard enough to fracture her skull. It looked so harmless the audience thought it was part of the act. She was awake and alert shortly after and had no visible sign of injury for many hours. She refused an ambulance and had her sister drive her to the hospital. The black eyes showed up a day or two later indicating orbital injury despite her hitting the back of her head. She was hospitalized for at least a couple days (not sure how long).

Now imagine a much bigger and heavier person falling headfirst into something heavy or a hard surface. And maybe there's no break in his fall so the back/side of his head hits with the full force of his body behind it--say a banana peel style slip and fall, but instead of your butt/back hitting the ground first, your head hits a tiled wall or solid piece of furniture. It's not hard to also imagine the injury being exponentially worse as a result.

The slip and fall is the best guess considering all known factors--the injury but also the timing, the call to his wife, the lack of evidence of anyone else having been in the room with him, the meds, etc. If a surveillance video pops up showing someone else entering or exiting that room during the relevant time period, the entire narrative changes.

How did get such a severe injury and not tell anyone? He was always texting everyone.

R339 You really think that Gupta is going to flat out say "I think this is fishy and he was murdered"??? They are hinting as much as they can without going too far.

R344 Heather did NOT have MULTIPLE fractures like Bob did. The big question is how Bob got orbital fractures from falling on his head... that is why ER docs and neurosurgeons are saying this doesn't make sense.

R344 I don't think so many ER docs and neurosurgeons would be so skeptical about his fractures and the story if this were so simple. ONE fracture is believable, but such extensive fractures does not make sense for the type of fall the medical examiner posited.

If there was video footage of Bob walking to his hotel room I would imagine that information would have been leaked or mentioned by now. Either there is no footage (no camera on that hotel floor)/law enforcement didn't bother to procure it or there's something more sketchy going on.

Bob's life insurance company will properly investigate if no one else does. They usually pay double or triple the amount if someone dies of an accident

R340 what were the "pedo/creep rumours"?

R351 Bob talked about doing gross things to a stand-in doll on the Full House set so all these rumors started about him being a pedo, mostly by conspiracy channels on youtube. Also, during his Comedy Central Roast a lot of his comedian friends made very off-color jokes about him doing things to the Olsen twins, murdering and raping women etc etc. Some stupid people took those jokes as fact, especially given the doll story Bob told.

R346 why would he say he was murdered? All he would have to say is the injuries could not be the result of a fall. But he can't say that because he's not a Twitter conspiracy theorist, he's a competent doctor who knows it is in fact possible.

R347 no one said she did. The point is if she could have such a serious injury from such a minor looking fall, it's entirely plausible a more serious fall could result in worse injuries.

Just shut-in fraus who are obsessed with everyone in Hollywood being pedophiles, R351.

R343 Many doctors have weighed in and said they have never seen such extensive fractures from a one-story fall.

Look gals! Sagets alone in the hotel room, let's go get him! Killers are coming! Kill kill kill!

Everything smells so bad like a cover-up that we have all become detectives. We need to get to the bottom of this like Angela lansbery in murder she wrote.

Can we solve the Dallas A-Gay case first?

R355 that's not even in the same universe as saying it's not possible. "Many doctors" haven't seen a wide variety of things. Meanwhile there are head trauma experts who have seen it.

[quote]“It’s like an egg cracking,” said Dr. Jeffrey Bazarian, an emergency physician and concussion expert at the University of Rochester Medical Center. “You hit it in one spot, and it can crack from the back to the front.”

r351 for a little more context than r352. The celebrity roasts are often Inside Baseball about a celeb's real personality/behaviour outside of their image. They're also populated with has beens, celebs who've been derailed by bad habits, and the seedier side of the industry, like nightclub entertainers. That's been true since the Dean Martin days. So when Saget's was full of what was described above, it raised a few eyebrows amongst comedy fans. The fraus & conspiracy loons glomed onto it, like they do for anything off colour, but they weren't the only ones reacting to it.

The doll story was that he was actually caught on set miming sex with a stand-in doll for the Olsens (the context wasn't clear). It wasn't like he grabbed a set-dressed Raggedy Ann and slammed it into his crotch to make a jaded crew laugh. It doesn't make him a pedo, but I have a dark black sense of humour, & I even I thought it was odd he'd risk that on the set w/his image, even as a joke.

There were also some low-key insider posts about people who were in line to be exposed after the Spacey & Weinstein stories broke. IIRC, it was along the lines of "who are the really fucked ones who need exposure", and Saget was mentioned. He was also rumoured to be on the manifest of Lolita airways.

[QUOTE] There were also some low-key insider posts about people who were in line to be exposed after the Spacey & Weinstein stories broke.

Let's stop using the term "low key" incorrectly

Correct usage : "He is very low key"

Incorrect: "low key insider posts" "i'm low key excited about this" etc.

R360 now you gonna tell me he was hanging out with Epstein. He has nothing in common with Jeffrey Epstein he wasn't an A list celeb.

r359 fair enough, but it does seem odd that ED doctors and neurologists are expressing measured skepticism-some weren't saying it was impossible, just incompatible with the family's statement and certain parts of the autopsy report.

R363 Also, neurosurgeons. The one who voices his opinion on youtube even said that he felt like more details were going to come out because it doesn't add up.

[quote] For people who understand the examination and reporting process, how many individuals would it take to buy off to create a cover up?

IME, Saget's death is considered an "unattended death." His body would, therefore (depending on jurisdiction, I guess), be autopsied. The autopsy would be performed by a doctor (MD / pathologist). Someone from the police department would witness the autopsy (to take note of anything suspicious that looks like foul play). The doctor would then write a report re: cause of death. If there was nothing suspicious, that would be the end of it.

So, I guess you'd have to pay off 2 people in the scenario I just described (doctor and cop).

r361 an insider is a person, low-key is a modifier, referring to the person, therefore correct, no?

Did Dr. R. Quincy do the autopsy?

abrasion of posterior scalp

subgaleal hemorrhage underlying the abrasion

linear fracture of base of skull

comminuted fractures of the roofs of the orbits involving bilateral front bone

bilateral partial periorbital ecchymoses (bruising/raccoon eyes)

sudural hematoma

subarchnoid hemorrhage

contrecoup contusions involving bilateral frontal lobes & bilateral temporal lobes

Just from googling,

comminuted fractures - bone that's broken in at least two places

comminuted fractures of the roofs of the orbits involving bilateral front bone -bone that is broken in at least two places, usually happen after very forceful events, often associated with severe head and face trauma

contrecoup injury is a term applied most often cerebral contusions (bruises) and traumatic subarachnoid hemorrhage. If your head slams/hits something, the brain bounces and the person can get injuries on both sides of the brain.

subarachnoid hemorrhage - bleeding in the space between your brain and the surrounding membrane (subarachnoid space).

Subgaleal Hemorrhage - A collection of blood in the soft tissue space between the galea aponeurotica and the periosteum of skull

If someone is having a stroke, they can have a subarchnoid hemorrhage. That could have made him pass out/fall. He could have tried to get up a few times and fallen or smacked his head again. He could have been in shock or not thinking properly because of the trauma to his head and just gone to sleep.

You really should look at this picture of a comminuted fracture

The family said there were no illicit (illegal) drugs found. What about alcohol & rx drugs? One or both are enough to impair your judgment.

Also, I did slip and fall in a hotel bathroom (marble floor, wet). So I can see how things like this happen.

Would it be possible for him to stand up, hit the back of his head on something, and involuntarily react by pitching forward and falling on his face? It's hard for me to understand the medical jargon, but surely they can pinpoint the fractures radiating from the blow(s). If they're radiating from the back, then no front hits.

I don't think the full report has been released but based on an extremely layperson reading of the one-pager, it looks like the site of impact was the back/side of the head (where the abrasions and most of the bleeding was found), so any other injury could have radiated from there. I imagine also possible he had more than one impact (e.g. head hitting wall then another hit on a piece of furniture as he continues to fall). I haven't seen anyone with expertise saying it *must* be one vs. more than one impact based on the reported injuries.

R319, "There are cameras everywhere."

And yet none is mentioned as actually showing BS entering his room at 2:15 a.m. Only his recorded key-card use is noted. Begs the question.

It's Florida R365. Everyone is on the take.

R366 the correct saying would be a *low level* insider. Not low key.

Excuse YOU, r 328!

To R328 ^^

There is definitely something strange about Saget's abrupt death. It's not nearly as cut and dried as "he bumped his head and died in his sleep."

Being too tired to read everything ... has there been any mention of the hotel room dead bolt? If the dead bolt was locked, nobody else was in the room because every dead bolt hotel door I've seen only locks from inside.

Wow, his new wife is much younger and only married to him since 2018. She made bank!

What about that weird tweet from his sister-in-law or whomever that said "someone check on Bob Saget" ? What about THAT?

[quote]R179: He had basically the worst trauma you can have

Ahem, asshole.

Could have been a mob hit.

[quoter]If the dead bolt was locked, nobody else was in the room because every dead bolt hotel door I've seen only locks from inside.

Then how were they able to enter the room to find the body? Through the window?

R380 Some twitter account tweeted "someone check on Bob Saget. I've heard things I want proven wrong" like a few hours before Saget's death was publicly announced. The tweeter tweeted out a few DMs he received by someone who claimed to be Bob Saget's brother-in-law. This supposed brother-in-law said "He's my brother-in-law. What are you hearing?" The tweeter said "that he's dead." The brother-in-law asked "what's your source" and "what you heard is true."

Now this twitter account currently has 13k followers and posts about news and stuff so the likeliest explanation is that someone who worked at the hotel or an EMT tipped him off but idk.

They shoot the lock on the door, R383. I have seen that a dozen times on TV.

Does this mean Full/er House is finally done making new episodes?

Kind of a funny coincidence that Bob says he'll be found dead in bed about 2 months before he dies.

Bob's wife Kelly is half-Italian as her father immigrated over from Sicily to the US when he was a boy. She's from Chicago and her parents own one of the most successful realtor groups in Chicago.

If he was taking Trazodone and Klonopin he could have been dopey and easily slipped on a bath mat in a Ritz-Carlton marble bathroom, especially if he was tired.

Not sure who would want to kill him but I don't know much about him.

R383, hotels have master keys that can override the deadbolt. Especially a Ritz Carlton.

I do actually think you'd have to use physical force (not a key) to open, from the outside, a deadbolt or those fold-over types of locks. No, I don't think you'd use a gun to shoot it out. That might kill another person.

sorry, you could use a key for a deadbolt, but not for those fold-over locks.

Hotel security went into the room when he failed to check out and didn't respond to calls. The portion that details how security got into the room is redacted from the police report, presumably to protect the hotel's security measures.

And no, it wasn't a mob hit. The mob doesn't deliver a single blow to the head in just the right spot to cause sufficient head trauma to kill but careful enough to avoid obvious outward signs of injury. They aren't that subtle.

If only our Dolly - Dorothy Kilgallen - was still around to break this case.

The Reddit thread where ER doctors are posting plus Dr. Gupta's segment really shows that something is very off. Gupta explains Saget's injuries with a diagram and on a model of a skull. It just doesn't make sense.

There are so many factors involved:

Trazadone

Klonopin

Clogged arteries

Alcohol abuse

Earlier that night, Saget had performed a 2-hour set at a comedy club. I think that I read that he then drove 2 hours to get to the Ritz, because his next gig was in Orlando.

Did he snort some cocaine?

Was he followed?

Was the elevator slow and he took the stairs and fell?

Did he order an escort who ended up killing him like the DC Sous Chef murder case? Could the escort and Saget have taken the stairs to avoid cameras? Was Saget pushed or did he fall down the stairs and the escort (male) carried him to his hotel room? If the escort was a woman, could she have called a man or strong woman from the stairwell in a panic to help her carry Saget's body to his hotel room and stage the scene by putting Saget in his bed?

eta:

Could Saget have done something sex or drug-related with a Ritz employee and it turned bad? The employee would know how to cover it up.

After standing on his feet for two hours trying to get people to laugh, driving another two hours, being in shit health condition at his age and being on those medications, he would have to have done some blow to have wanted to get with a hooker, R395. He wasn't 25. But it wasn't in his tox screen. No coke, toots. Try again.

I heard his bloody brains were all over the floor and that they're checking his young wife's "friend's" whereabouts.

Or maybe I say this on a Perry Mason. Except the brains part. I don't know where they came from other than Bob.

was anything taken from the room?

This is a cover up.

[quote]That asshat Heather MacDonald has been all over the news for fainting and falling on stage resulting in a skull fracture. Then again, she posted a pic of herself in full makeup in the hospital bed with no visible sign of injury, so maybe that's a conspiracy too.

No, she was in bad shape at the hospital in her Instagram story, at lease mentally. She seemed really out of it and really tired, and talking and moaning a little in a somewhat disoriented state.

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It was already posted and that’s a sensationalized version of what was actually said.

The family must know what happened or they would be calling for an investigation.

I know I would.

Before I started reading Twitter, I would have never thought that ER doctors have so much time on their hands. It's weird.

Let me try this again...

Regarding the post at R333, before I started reading Twitter, I would have never thought that ER doctors have so much time on their hands. It's weird.

So his head was bashed in and all the bleeding happened INSIDE his head? That sounds like utter bullshit to me.

DL Fave Dr. YAZAN to the rescue!

The travel time matches departure to hotel. Little time to hook up.

Maybe he was at the bathroom counter and, out of exhaustion and medication, just slumped to sit down heavily, miscalculated and whacked his head, thrown back by the force of his plopping down, hit two places on the tub---the side top with the back of his head and the near edge with the base of his skull.

Then Saget had to have staggered to his feet, lifting himself using the tub, made it to the bed, and lay down. And died.

Or someone else whacked or pushed him.

Anyone know if he was dressed and laying *on* the bed, or in pajamas and *in* bed?

Anyone know if he had an enemy?

There's a tour of one of these rooms in the video starting at 1:35. The headboard is padded.

The top of the nightstand is marble and the corner of it could do major damage. Falling against the floor or bathtub would be traumatic, but still not focus the full force onto a single point the way the corner of a marble table would. It could also account for his dying in bed, being so close.

I can't believe that nobody heard Bob Saget, of all people, yell "SONOFAGODDAMNEDMOTHERFUCKINGBITCHCUNT!!!" in the middle of the night when this happened.

I agree when those who say he looked unhealthy and depressed and sounded slurred in his recent podcasts (notably the Ed Asner one).

Check out his interview of Louis Anderson a few months ago for anothrr dose of mortality.

It's possible for a fatal head injury to leave no visible marks. Jonbenet Ramsey's severe head trauma was discovered during her autopsy.

R412 A nightstand with a marble top does make it seem like Saget could have hit his head like William Holden.

Anything left in the federal coffers to distribute FREE HELMETS to everyone jabbed?

I liked it much better when, if our celebs fell down...they didn't get hurt.

R405 The types like myself who flourish in medical school and training have some OCD traits. We like to check, lab results, prescription dosing, everything. Keeps losers like yourself safe. Also we are curious and interested in solving things, such as medical mysteries, that draws us to our profession. such as medical mysteries.

We tend to need less sleep unlike civvies like you, after all we spend many years working 80-100 hours a week.

You sound incurious and slow.

I can understand him tripping and smacking his head very hard. What i dont get is him not telling or texting anyone, not calling for help, or at least going to get some ice to put on his head. He would have been in severe pain. Fall down some stairs seems unlikely as they indicated no other bruises or injuries.

[quote][R405] The types like myself who flourish in medical school and training have some OCD traits. We like to check, lab results, prescription dosing, everything. Keeps losers like yourself safe. Also we are curious and interested in solving things, such as medical mysteries, that draws us to our profession. such as medical mysteries. We tend to need less sleep unlike civvies like you, after all we spend many years working 80-100 hours a week. You sound incurious and slow.

Just for entertainment purposes, however I find it interesting what this "psychic" said 3 weeks ago...

(Let me warn you- I always dug this lady however I have come to realize that she and her fans tend to be QAnon nuts and Trumptards.

She says she is not political, but I don't know.

The channeling or whatever its called is pretty cool and a little freaky-

Why was Saget working like a 25 year old who hadn't made it yet? Doing a 2-hour standup, then driving himself another 2 hours at night to a hotel for another gig! That's a brutal schedule for a young man, especially with no assistants, no drivers. For someone his age with his many health conditions, that's weird. This is like some young guy in the 1980s would be trying to do if he were a little known comic who wanted to be an actor and start a career? Not a 65 year old celebrity who had already made it, had success, money, family, and health problems. Why was he on this grueling schedule? Did he need money? Was he trying for a comeback? Did he just love the work and the road so much?

Comedians are a weird breed- they are usually depressed and very unhappy people that almost need to make other people laugh to make themselves feel better.

Yes, comedians tend to be very fucked up people. And a lot of them die fairly young.

[quote] The types like myself who flourish in medical school ... We like to check, lab results, prescription dosing, everything. Keeps losers like yourself safe. Also we are curious and interested in solving things, such as medical mysteries, that draws us to our profession. such as medical mysteries. We tend to need less sleep unlike civvies like you, after all we spend many years working 80-100 hours a week. You sound incurious and slow.

Mary!

R421 I think Saget was a messed up guy, and I didn't know a thing about him when this hit the news. I'd never watched even one episode of "Full House." I've since then seen about a half dozen shows. Something just isn't right here. My first thought when they showed pictures of him after he died was that this person looks troubled and like he wants some help. It's just the way his eyes seemed to me. I've seen the roast video which really can't be excused on any level. Any adult who thinks making jokes about rape and murder of children needs some kind of psychological advice. I don't know if Saget couldn't cope all those years being on a G rated show with his X rated mind. I know about the comments he made with the doll and what he did to it while using the prop as a stand in for the Olsen twins. No mature person would think like this. Maybe someone who thought he was a sick pervert banged him on the head with a baseball bat. I don't blame those Olsen women for not wanting anything more to do with a "Full House" or "Fuller House." Sex jokes about them seem to have started while they were still in diapers. Sad thing is Saget had three daughters of his own and not even that stopped his train of thought.

Not to beat a dead horse, but after looking at pictures of his (padded) hotel room, accidentally hitting the base of your skull like that by falling seems like it would be so rare I'm thinking perhaps slipping in the bathroom, backwards and hitting the back of your neck area, twice. 🙄

To me, it's easier to believe an intruder was hiding in there, hit a home run to the back his head, twice, then posed him on the bed, and let himself out a window. Just sayin.

We will probably never know, unlike the Petito case.

I'm not much of a conspiracy advocate, but it did cross my mind to wonder how I would feel if I were a parent of a daughter who had been raped or murdered. I wouldn't be in a good place mentally no matter how much time had passed. If someone in a dark place turned the tube on and saw the pathetic display at that roast it could do a number on that person's already troubled psyche. You had a "comedian" come to the podium to say Saget raped and murdered a 9 year old. You then see the whole room full of people laughing their ass off about it. Surely not everyone felt Saget was "America's dad." We saw how that turned out with Cosby. BTW, Cosby actually told people he doped women decades ago on one of his "comedy" albums. You have to wonder how much of what these people say in their act might actually be true. Anyway, I doubt anything further will ever be known in regards to how Saget slipped or otherwise got enough of a blow to the head to kill himself.

It would have been very easy for him to fall. Several readers on this thread have written that the bathroom floor was made of marbles.

lollllllll marbles. That would explain it.

[QUOTE] If he was taking Trazodone and Klonopin he could have been dopey and easily slipped on a bath mat in a Ritz-Carlton marble bathroom, especially if he was tired.

Yes R389 but that's too logical for these Nancy Drews who don't know what Occam's Razor is.

I wonder if he was tucked nicely into bed when he was found or just a mess on the bed?

there is more to the story but we will never know unless insiders leak.

It's like some of you are hoping for Kobe-like photo leaks.

You can have closed skull fractures of magnitude. Unless it was noted in the atopsy, his brainmatter and/or blood weren't leaking out of his eye sockets or earholes. The "baseball bat" terminology mentioned by the television doc was used as a flowery descriptor, not as a literal identifier as the murder weapon that killed Saget. Y'all watch too much Oliva Benson.

R413, Because she had hair that had to be shaved off. What the medical examiners found then was a literal hole in her head, not just internal cracking.

In the book "An Angel Betrayed," the gap is described as "rectangular...a half-inch wide." Plus, she had a visible 8.5" fracture line along her skull.

In addition, JBR was garrotted.

So, not any kind of comparison whatsoever.

R433 I'll say. I worked very hard on the garrotting.

Bob's tragic last moments, per R428.

Sorry--hopefully this works better.

Here's an article and video of the infamous lengthy incest, rape, racist, pedo, scat joke by Bob Saget. It's not even funny. Is this what he was like as a comic?

R432 What is your argument? You're just saying words. The issue we have with the autopsy and scenario described by the medical examiner is that such extensive skull fractures are not seen in mere one-story falls.

R405 is not a doctor. He just plays one on DL.

Correction:

R417 is not a doctor. He just plays one on DL.

R437 I just watched the video. I don't know what to say but the obvious that the guy needed some kind of help. In an earlier post someone said Saget was pushing himself at age 65 like you expect from a person much younger just starting out. His worth is listed at $50 million at time of death. He must have been addicted to being in front of a crowd telling his X rated so-called "jokes." I bet this guy would have made a great psychological study for someone. Nothing in that video is remotely funny. You've once again got "jokes" referring to kids "half dead" from every vile thing imaginable. What is funny about kids being covered in excrement? No wonder there is so much rape and abuse of every kind in today's world. Multitudes of people actually think it's funny and apparently will pay money to listen to someone talking this trash.

This case keeps getting stranger and stranger. In this video a neurosurgeon is interviewed---says things don't add up, especially after seeing photos of the hotel room; a former Orlando PD officer says they should investigate more. Most interestingly, Bob's college friend Bruce Hamilton and the person Bob had his last interview with says: "theres nothing more that could have been done. Bob was gone when the police got there. Why dredge other things up?"

I've only seen one Comedy Roast. I happened upon it years ago and it was for that Robin woman on Howard Stern. It was repulsive. All the comedians kept joking about Robin having been molested as a child. I only remember that Sarah Silverman was on and don't remember any other comedians that participated, but it was the popular ones at the time. I'm going to guess that Jimmy Kimmel was also there because he and Sarah were together then. Sarah was laughing hysterically at every joke. My friend and I just kind of stared in disbelief. It really was disturbing.

Comedians used to be funny. This crop we've had the past couple decades aren't. They're immature and unstable.

R443 Sarah Silverman is SUCH a tryhard and always so desperate to seem like she's one of the boys

Agree r444.

She tries way too hard

R443 Immature and unstable is right on the mark. I know it didn't used to be this bad. Mostly these people don't seem to have moved past age 13, but you can't even explain it that way because what they say is so unacceptable. I guess this is where we are when the goal is to always top whatever is currently the grossest thing someone has said. You would think adults would all have sense enough to say stop...you don't get a pass to be this degrading. Sad.

Katt Williams talking about what happened at the Flavor Flav roast.

The whole point of his joke in the video is to be the grossest as possible. That’s the whole thing behind The Aristocrats. It’s a long-running thing.

It’s so over the top and beyond the pale as it’s supposed to be, it’s silly to be offended by it. It doesn’t make Bob a damaged soul. I could sit here and rattle off gross things too and it doesn’t mean I need professional help.

^ Anyone talking shit about him over that "joke" hasn't seen the movie. It's completely stupid but a long-standing tradition in comedy. What was so surprising to everyone was that Bob Saget told the filthiest version.

Frau central on this thread.

[quote]That’s the whole thing behind The Aristocrats. It’s a long-running thing.

Seriously, "The Aristocrats" joke has been around since the Vaudeville era. It's supposed to be as outrageous, taboo and disgusting as possible. You're supposed to try and outdo everyone else.

Of course it was initially only said between comedians because only they would understand the point is to say the most shocking things possible while not necessarily relating what they said to the joke teller themselves.

And in that documentary about the classic "joke" everyone from Robin Williams and George Carlin to Hank Azaria, Carrie Fisher, Whoopi Goldberg & Jon Stewart told their versions of it.

The doc is free on imdb TV with ads.

"Let's see who can gross us all out the most!" doesn't sound appealing at all. To each his own.

"The Aristocrats" is quite a shitty move. Comedians trying to tell the dirtiest version of a dirty joke. It features the dreadful Sarah Silverman in her "breakout" movie appearance. At some point she says, in all seriousness, "Joe Franklin raped me." Joe Franklin was an elderly radio/talk show host. He was also in the movie and was instructed to say "Watch out for Sarah Silverman." Afterwards he threatened to sue and said he had no idea who Silverman was and said "Watch out for Sarah Silverman" just as part his his appearance in the movie. Anyway, Silverman used to do a lot of rape jokes. I wonder if she still thinks rape jokes are funny.

So,if that lady in the video says he was offed, because he was about to talk, what could he have been about to say?

That the girls in his show were molested? What could be worse than that?

Sarah Silverman said that she was OK with Louis CK masturbating in front of her. Sometimes, she was like hell yeah I want to see that. She claims other times she said no, let's just go get some pizza. She defended him during his bad time, then walked it back, of course.

(I think I remember her saying on H. Stern, hell yeah I wanted to see that (CK masturbating).)

I never thought of her as a try-hard, but she fits the description.

Sarah Silverman story

R420, some of what that YouTube psychic (or medium or whatever she is) says puts me in mind of Randy Quaid's claims about 'star whackers'.

Occam's razor says 9.11 was an inside job.

[quote]Silverman used to do a lot of rape jokes. I wonder if she still thinks rape jokes are funny.

She's never deleted this tweet, so maybe she still thinks child molestation is funny. Seems like her humor fits right in with Bob's. WTF?

Please explain your flawed logic r457. How is 9/11 an inside job? We'll wait.

Am I supposed to care that this guy died?

R452 The only thing these rape jokes accomplish is to make the act something to laugh about if you're demented enough to actually think it's funny. I wonder how Saget would have felt if one of his daughters had been raped. Maybe not so funny then, but these people are making it harder for rape victims to be taken seriously. I didn't know Silverman did these jokes which is really appalling coming from a woman. I think the most troubling is how kids got in the mix. It's bad enough to joke about adults being raped, but why would anyone want to talk this way about kids. In the case of those Olsen twins, it was joking about them like this before they could barely walk. I just don't get it. Rape is never funny. NEVER!

I have to wonder if Saget could have been helped. He really did have a look in his eyes that seemed to be saying someone help me. Maybe I'm way off the mark on that, but it's just the way he comes across to me. Another strange thing is I saw a video where a few months before he died he said he would die in bed. He was right about that.

Re: R461

No he didn't. That was taken out of context. Please see the video linked.

You can explain The Aristocrats to the Q types all you want, they will not believe anything you say, because everything has to be a conspiracy. It HAS to be. They've decided Saget wasn't doing The Aristocrats, he was either a Satanic type himself or hinting at Satanic Hollywood pedo stuff, and was offed because of it.

R462, Context, whether in or out, is irrelevant when it comes to UNWITTING premonitions.

Saget said those words, on video, that "in a couple months" he would be "found dead in bed."

And he was.

The "psychic" video was interesting. She mentioned, amongst all the "retrogrades" and "Scorpio Rising," that Saget was guilt-ridden and "was going to talk," as in "reveal."

NOOOOO, R459! NOT IN THIS THREAD!

Oh, and r430, why don't you take your Occam's Razor and cut your throat?

"...UNWITTING premonitions." LMAO. Alrighty, then.

Funny, r432, how YOU are the first and only poster to mention (presumed) grisly photos. Why don't you look in your own psychological mirror?

R465, May I remind you of two unwitting ones?

1. Diana, PoW, said to paparazzi from Dodi's yacht that August that they would have news "soon." And soon it was. This is in addition to her certainty that "they" (I believe once she said "my husband") would arrange a car "accident" for her.

2. James Dean filmed a PSA for safe driving, with the line, "The life you save might be mine." Instead of "...your own."

There are more things, Horatio....

Ethel is on the case. All will be revealed.

Wow, I thought you guys were kidding about the "murder" accusations. But maybe not.

[quote] Bob Saget's autopsy report reveals multiple head fractures usually seen in 'high force injuries'

Questions surrounding Bob Saget’s cause of death increased after the late comedian's autopsy report revealed Saget suffered injuries to his head that are usually seen from a more traumatic blow than one typically sustains from a slip and fall, according to multiple media reports.

As reported by Fox News last week, Saget’s family released a statement that said the 65-year-old comedian’s sudden death was caused by a brain bleed that occurred after Saget hit his head and went to sleep, not realizing the severity of his injury. The actor was found dead in his hotel room at the Ritz-Carlton in Orlando on January 9th after performing a comedy show in Orlando, Florida, according to the Fox News report.

Health experts weighed in on the autopsy report questioning the investigation and cause of the blow to the comedian’s head that led to his death, according to an article in the Daily Mail.

The outlet posted the autopsy report, which said Saget suffered multiple fractures stretching from the back to the front of the skull and along the eye sockets. It also revealed there was bleeding across both sides of his brain. The Daily Mail cited one report in which a doctor said the injuries in the autopsy appeared consistent with a blow to the skull with a baseball bat or falling 20 to 30 feet.

Fox News spoke with Dr. Fred Davis, an Associate Chair of Emergency Medicine at Northwell Health in New York, about the recent questions surrounding the severity of Saget’s injuries.

Davis, an emergency department physician and Assistant Professor at Hofstra University, on Long Island, N.Y., was not involved in Saget’s case, but told Fox News on Sunday, "The extent of injuries as reported by the autopsy is usually seen in significant traumatic events. It involved breaks in the bones of the skull in multiple areas which tends to happen with high force injuries."

The growing belief that Saget’s injuries are from something more than a fall had experts weighing in on various media outlets. The Orange County Sheriff’s Office, which headed the investigation into Saget’s death, took to social media to address the concerns.

BOB SAGET WAS BELOVED BECAUSE HE PLAYED THE AMERICAN EVERYMAN

The Orange County Sheriff’s Office posted on its Twitter account a link to a media interview with Sheriff John Mina, of the Orange County Sheriff’s office, who was part of the investigation and discussed Saget’s injuries.

In the interview, Mina said that although the injuries were severe, there were no signs of struggle and said, "We do not believe he was struck by anything." Mina also said that Saget’s injuries were likely from a fall where he hit the back of his head on a flat surface, such as a bathroom floor. The autopsy report also revealed that the comedian tested positive for COVID, though the officer and the autopsy report did not say COVID played a role in the comedian’s death.

Forensic scientists told Fox News that investigations such as Saget’s are complex and involve a collaborative effort between the medical examiner, law enforcement investigators, forensic investigators including crime scene and crime lab officials, and the district attorney. They told Fox that investigative hypotheses are typically formed while the influx of substantiated evidence will prove or disprove the hypotheses.

According to the Orange County Sheriff's office, Saget’s death was ruled as accidental death, there were no signs of alcohol or drugs, and the case is closed.

The cause of death was self-inflicted head trauma. He has never been more famous.

I bet that shoe polish hair dye contributed.

R469 If it was anything other than Fox News reporting this, I'd be inclined to think there might be something to the story.

Guess the family doesn't give a shit, just want the inheritance.

My best friend fell on his bathroom floor and hit his head so hard it knocked out his front teeth, shifted his brain, and caused it to bleed. He died. It can happen.

R458, people post stuff like that on the datalounge all the time. It's gallows humor

I find it difficult to believe that he fell, bumped his head and despite the pain it must have caused simply crawled into bed to "sleep." I think there was a lot more to it than that. But it seems to me his family wants to sweep all this unpleasantness under the rug and be done with it. I don't think there will be a thorough investigation although there should be..

It was always my secret fantasy to be triple-teamed by Matt, Davida and BS. But now that Saget is gone, my fantasy can never come true.

I thought I'd heard on a local news cast that he was fully dressed laying on top of the covers? As I age (60) there have been a few times when I could have easily fallen over had I not caught myself. Or gotten so light headed as I was bending over I thought Id pass out. I could see him maybe falling in the bathroom,hitting his head twice,then crawling onto the bed and dying. But I always thought head wounds were heavy bleeders,so I dont understand there being no blood if he had a 1 inch gash on the back of his head.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Welp that seals it ! Theres GOT to be a tranny hooker in there somewhere !

[quote]I think there was a lot more to it than that.

Yes, the meds found in his system.

[quote] As I age (60) there have been a few times when I could have easily fallen over had I not caught myself. Or gotten so light headed as I was bending over I thought Id pass out.

R478, maybe you should get this checked. Maybe you have some circulation (clogged arteries) problems.

Oops, wrong thread. It ought to be the Alec Baldwin one.

Oops, again! I thought a post of mine was in the wrong thread. Datalounge is acting kind of funny.

Agree with R482. 60 isn't old, and what you're experiencing isn't due to age, R478. Maybe consider something called positional vertigo. It's benign and easily remedied at home.

[quote]Oops, wrong thread. It ought to be the Alec Baldwin one.

Alec Baldwin will find a way to involve himself in this

Wrong Baldwin, r486!

I'm only reading up on all this now, so had injuries to the back and front of his skull including fractures in his eye sockets! That is more than a pump on the back of the head or a fall in the shower!

Latest from Page Six:

Bob Saget’s family sues to block release of death investigation records

he family of late comedian Bob Saget has sued Florida officials in order to prevent the release of ­photos connected to the investigation of his death.

The “Full House” star’s widow and daughters filed a lawsuit against the Orange County Sheriff’s Office and a local coroner Tuesday.

The suit claims records associated with Saget’s death are “exempt from disclosure to the public” under state law.

The family hopes to prevent the release of photographs and video recordings obtained by law enforcement.

Saget suffered “blunt head trauma,” likely during an “unwitnessed fall” in his room at the Ritz-Carlton Orlando, according to the results of an autopsy

The medical examiner said the actor suffered severe skull fractures, but his death was ruled accidental. Saget’s widow Kelly Rizzo and his three daughters from a prior marriage argued the release of the records would cause “irreparable harm in the form of extreme mental pain, anguish and emotional distress.”

His family released a statement last week stating that doctors found he “accidentally hit the back of his head on something, thought nothing of it and went to sleep.”

Some experts have raised doubts about that conclusion, with one doctor telling the New York Times Saget’s injuries were more consistent with a “baseball bat to the head” or a fall from “20 or 30 feet.”

R489, What, I'm chopped liver?

People who believe the medical examiner's report will interpret the family's actions to mean that they want to mourn their loss without the media and the public trying to "solve the mystery", because there isn't one.

People who think there's more to this story will interpret the family's actions to mean that they're hiding something to protect Saget's reputation.

I'm in the first camp, but what do I know?

The man is dead from severe head trauma. This, the family and world already know. What further information or revelation could cause the widow more "emotional distress"?

IMO, only one thing: That the investigation, or even just a keen eye of a hotel employee upon entering, saw evidence of another person's having been there.**

Maybe I watch too much "L&O" (See: Episode, Julia Roberts)!

**If so, that person might be totally innocent, maybe just helping the injured Saget into bed before splitting the scene for his family's sake. Dumb, too, for not calling 911.

I don't think he had that much money and needed to hustle to keep the younger wife in style.

Wouldn't he be set after those (dumb) television hits? Wonder if he had a nasty divorce.

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Oops. didn't see the other posts. I know, I know asshole worse than Hitler. Link to article, tho.

They're flirting with the Streisand effect here IMHO.

It looks like somebody is guilty guilty guilty! The plot thickens. Think about it. Wouldn't a whole family want to do everything to find the truth, rather than start suing to stop any investigating? I'd be in the first camp.

Bob Saget’s family sues to block release of death investigation records ....

I'm no conspiracy nut but what the hell happened? He hit his head so bad to crack his skull. Was there no blood everywhere? He didn't call his wife and tell her. Now they want to keep everything private.

R493 and r494, Up-thread was a report that Saget was worth 50 million.

R495, There is no injunction, and I'd bet there won't be.

They already released the details about multiple head trauma that has everybody chattering. For them to sue even though all of that is out there means they know or suspect there is more that is even worse. By trying to get an injunction, Saget's family has basically admitted that they know or suspect foul play.

r501 sordid death and foul play don't always go together; it's more likely the family want to hide the former, not the latter. They probably don't want any police reports out, because they will have more detail about related issues like any video, witness and staff interviews, crime scene photos, related incidents, etc.

wow, there is video recordings...interesting.

[quote] [R501] sordid death and foul play don't always go together; it's more likely the family want to hide the former, not the latter.

Agree with this, but you'd have to talk with the last person who saw him alive (assuming the "sordid" involved a 2nd person). Maybe the police did talk w/the last person who saw him alive & cleared that person, somehow.

Look at me! LOOK AT ME! Love me! LOVE ME!! Pay attention - I am great......LOVE ME!!!! Give me your money!!!

Oh....I'm dead....I demand no attention now.......leave us alone.

Florida has Sunshine laws guaranteeing the release of public records and a Coroner's Report, police records, etc., are public records. About the only exception is when the information is part of an active LE investigation or is being used as evidence in a trial. If LE has already closed the case, the family will be hard pressed to show a compelling need to have records suppressed.

"There is video recordings."

When did this trend of improper verb form/agreement become acceptable in the English language? I see it EVERYWHERE now. I also see nouns that used to singular referred to as plural.

R507 People don't know about proper grammar anymore. I see it all the time too and from professional writers no less. If you mention it you'll be considered the grammar police.

Isn't the family just suing to keep photos and videos--not all information--from being released? I think that's a reasonable step to take. No one would want photos of their dead dad's body splashed all over the internet to be picked over by the likes of ... us.

Was there a disco ball in the room?

R509, Please click on the link at r495 and read the article.

Key word: "Including." Not "limited to."

The family wants to prevent the entire autopsy report from becoming public, along with "any records" pertaining to an investigation.

He hit his head on the headboard according to a DM news alert.

Pictures of him with his decades younger wife are hilarious. He looks terrible and she looks like a very happy bimbo.

You know what's weird? Every year, in high schools across the nation, students are shown the Zapruder film. Saw it in assemblies for decades. Yet no-one stopped or stops to think about the sensibilities of "family." And I have tons of books with full autopsy info.

BREAKUNG NEWS:

SAGET FAMILY GRANTED TEMPORARY INJUNCTION.

I lost that bet. (R500) Can't see how this injunction is legal. WTH was Bob Saget to be granted this privacy?

"BREAKING," of course. Should have proof-read.

BREAKING...wind.

BEARKING!

I’m a trazodone user and it can be very difficult to walk once it kicks in. Your legs feel like lead and you sway like you’re on a boat. One can fall from this drug no doubt.

Murdered by the headboard!!!

He was pronounced dead at 4:19

And he really died of Covid 19

It's a 19 Layer Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!1111111!!!!!!!!!

BEARKING!

I've had my head pounded into a headboard a few times and it was fun.

OMG, r520! "4:19" = 4+1+9 = 14 = 1+4 = 5 = Prime Number --> The killer was an Amazon driver!

Was any human feces found in his suitcase?

R522, More truth than humor, for you didn't suffer a fractured skull, now did you?

Sounds like the police are trying to "explain" how Saget ended up almost lying in repose on the bed: He was already there!

Yeah, no. This scenario won't fly.

Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?

R508 I was attended a convention for journalists that include a seminar titled:

Is Editors Necessary?

was = once

Maybe I should have attended the seminar.

Are people being serious about the headboard theory? If so, how does Saget (or anyone) hit the back of his head that hard on a headboard while alone? How does that even happen?

Bollocks

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Oooo I like those lamps !

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Huh. The only way I can see getting an injury like that on that headboard is jumping up and down on the bed, then jumping backwards into the headboard.

Even that wouldn't account for the broken eye sockets. I know he could get black eyes from bleeding in the brain from trauma to the back of the head but how does he get blunt trauma in the face from a blow in the back?

Didn't I hear something about shit-smeared bedsheets?

Just an idea, but if Saget was a heavy drinker and had a poor diet maybe he had lost a lot of bone density over the years. It doesn't take much for someone with osteoporosis to fracture a bone.

Whatever happens, I just hope that cunt Candace Cameron gets tainted by association.

He was getting noticeably heavy. I think he choked on Mama Cass's leftover ham sandwich.

And speaking of other threads, just where was RJ when Saget died?!

I'm watching the NBC Evening News with Lester Holter. There's a piece about Bob Saget coming on. IT's about how the family is trying to block the release of records related to his death. A medical examner said something interesting: that Saget's injuries were so severe he wouldn't have been able to walk and would not even have had any thought processing ability. So how did he manage to get into bed so he could "go to sleep?" The piece said there were "unanswered question." This is starting to heat up. I hope the investigation continues.

why was the case closed so fast?! very fishy!!!

Whatever happened to this poor man, may he be resting in peace now.

It’s too bad that his family might not want to know what happened. I would sure as hell want to know.

[quote]It’s too bad that his family might not want to know what happened.

Or they do know and that's why they don't want anyone else to know.

Fuck Bob Saget.

Re: The picture of the PADDED headboard. It just fucking figures. So obviously, he was jumping on the bed with a - hooker- and fell backwards onto the padded headboard, causing his cranium to collapse!! Why would this be embarrassing for his family in this day and age?

Teresa Earnhardt was able to keep the autopsy photos of Dale Earnhardt sealed after he was killed at the end of the Daytona 500 in 2001. So, there is some precedence that Saget's family can cite.

R541 I saw that same news report. I think there was something in the room that the family doesn't want the public to know about. Maybe he had kiddie porn all over.

On the NBC evening news, Chuck Scarborough mentioned photos, videos and *audio recordings* the family wants to keep suppressed. Curiouser and curiouser.

Or not.

AUTOEROTIC ASPHYXIATION

Amateur.

R551 That one crossed my mind too. You had a guy who got off on thoughts of raping kids. It's hardly a stretch to think he was into something like this as well. It's clear the family is in a panic to keep whatever it was hidden. Can't let anything happen to stop all the money flowing from "Full House" reruns.

R53, osteoporosis is not associated with thinning or weakening of cranial bones in the occipital, temporal, parietal or anterior orbital bones, the last being particularly thick.

Osteoporosis can affect facial bones, but that is not relevant here.

Doctors have expressed surprise at the eye socket fractures at the top. It's as if he fell in a full-weight drop, and he hit himself just right, apparently. If he had been assaulted other injuries would have occurred. He would not have been in bed, where he was said to have been found. Perhaps he was taking a shower after a long evening and slipped, falling backward and cracking the back of his head on the tub. He knew it hurt very bad, he likely saw "stars" and had visual disturbances, he got himself into bed, became unconscious and died from the hemorrhage(s).

[quote] You had a guy who got off on thoughts of raping kids.

Unless you were in his head, I suggest you shut the fuck up.

I'm sure TMZ and other entertainment outlets can file freedom of information act to get the recordings etc.

I'm sure TMZ is on the case!

[quote]You had a guy who got off on thoughts of raping kids.

It's ridiculous to suggest he "got off" on it.

It was just part of his job.

Honestly. Some people.

[quote]If he had been assaulted other injuries would have occurred.

R554, wouldn't the same be true of a fall? No one falls just on their head. Did the autopsy report, which I can't find the link to now, include bruised arms, legs, or other parts?

Wonder if most doctors or nurses have heard of a fatal blow from a headboard. If it's an actual occasional occurrence, seems most of us would have heard about/been warned about the possibility in Reader's Digest or a newspaper article within our lifetime.

Does anyone really think a hotel would design and install headboards that a guest could potentially kill themselves on ? In this litigious world we live in ?

R554, The "slipped and hit his head on the tub" was posted about, oh, 500 posts ago.

Hay gays, Candace Cameron Bure her, this is a little known fact, but Bob told me he liked to unwind after a show by doing flips on the bed to bring out his inner Olsen Twin. this makes total sense to me.

R558, Of course a person can fall and hit only his head, particularly if the fall is backwards.

And who said that an assault would have involved "other injuries" (your quote without a reference number)? A hammer to the skull would do quite a job without involving kneecaps.

That headboard never killed anyone, and any person of authority who is suggesting such is only adding to the distrust.

R563 here. OTOH, upon reflection, why, in the same articles as news of the temporary injunction, are "authorities" now mentioning this "unpadded portion" (extreme bad luck there, Bob) of the headboard as probable cause?

Why, if there were virtually no visible injuries such that a heart attack was first considered, is the family so determined to prevent any "photos or videos" taken made public? Didn't Saget look like he was simply resting, one arm down at his side, the other across his chest?

Now, no reputable medium would show those pictures anyway, but not my point, or points:

1. IMO, it is possible that the authorities are mentioning the headboard IN ORDER TO let us, or rather, a specific but unknown other, infer that Saget was indeed not alone; and that, furthermore,

2. He was killed in flagrante delicto, his head slammed deliberately against the UNPADDED section of the headboard, multiple times would be my guess.

3. He was unclothed, something the family might find embarrassing at the least.

4. Saget's outward condition and the scene, though, do not compare---"with what we've been told" as a big caveat---to the injunctions of Kobe's widow or the Earnhart family, whose deceased were mangled and destroyed, not looking peaceful on a bed.

5. The "other" was a male. Saget's being FOUND alone was rather emphasized in initial reports

OR....

6. If all the above is complete hogwash from my fevered brain, then maybe Saget WAS jumping up and down on the bed in child-like exuberance, high on the laughs he just received, when his unstable surface and Fate betrayed him.

7. Then I could see him first falling head onto the headboard, then down onto the nightstand, slam, slam. Boom.

One of the two scenarios, people; one of the two.

Last point: No mention of hotel cameras. Come on; even that Chinatown Murder building of walk-ups had hallway camera surveillance.

O, it was such a shockwave when told that filthy Aristocrats joke. It was bigger than 9/11. Bigger than Cats.

R557 Sorry, but it's not part of anyone's "Job" to make up sexual jokes about children, not even a comedian. There are other topics besides rape or abuse. The fact that Saget as both a young and older man kept on like this means it did "get off" on these thoughts.

"Last point: No mention of hotel cameras. Come on; even that Chinatown Murder building of walk-ups had hallway camera surveillance."

Yes, I find it hard to believe that a wealthy man like Saget would be staying in a hotel that did not have security cameras EVERYWHERE. So, why didn't the authorities just say, "The CCTV evidence shows no one else entered the room with Saget"? Why are they emphasizing the electronic key card?

R563, quote is four posts above mine. Read more carefully.

Someone falls and hits literally just their head? No back, elbows, butt? No other bruising reported? I'm sure it's possible, but it's just as much a leap as saying someone with no other injuries couldn't have been assaulted.

Pretty obvious broheim was murdered. Some vicious thug waited for her, smashed her head in with a bat and robbed her. Poor Bobby. May she RIP. At least she wasn't killed by Alec Baldwin.

If it was the headboard, the family will abandon their call for privacy when they file a law suit against the hotel and the headboard maker.

He was a monster, but someone took his life, and that murderer needs to be brought to justice.

R561, yes, but it hasn't stopped three persistent cunts (excepting you) posting about alternatives over your "oh, 500 posts since."

We understand the "pointlessly bitchy" portion of the DL's reputation. And we understand that pointless people must provide them, dumbshit.

So now you can sue headboard makers, like the Sandy Hook parents sued Remington?

[quote]We understand the "pointlessly bitchy" portion of the DL's reputation

Oh, dear.

(I believe the term is "pointless bitchery".)

Almost at 600. Time to create a new Saget thread.

Wonder if he had a will. If not, all of his money should go to his daughters, not the new wife of only three years.

That's an idiotic idea- that means you can sue any manufacturer of furniture because someone fell on it and died.

[quote] Wonder if he had a will. If not, all of his money should go to his daughters, not the new wife of only three years.

I'm guessing he did have a will. Wife and children seem in alignment on the issue of protecting his autopsy rept.

Even if wife was a golddigger, Saget could easily have lived another 20 years. It was a gamble and she is still young and now rich and young. (She could have been an old widow had Saget lived to 80+.)

Has anyone questioned the butch sous chef?

Saget rhymes with faggot, so that tells me all I need to know.

R578 so because his wife is young she is a golddigger. How stereotypical of you. I am sure if he was still married to his first wife you wouldn't call her a golddigger.

R581, how rude!!!!

My dad fell in the bathroom and hit his head so hard it woke my mom. He was taken to the hospital - he was awake for a few days but eventually went into a coma. They drilled a holl to relieve the pressure but it was too late. But he did not die overnight. It took days and he was 77.

R583 That's so sad. I'm sorry for you all.

God, R583, that's awful. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Ask William Holden.

All the DL bleeding hearts feel soooooooooo bad. Puke.

Don't shoot the messenger:

ENTY has it that BS was wont to hire escorts when on the road.

Head rammed against the unpadded portion of the headboard; found in bed; family suing to stop further disclosures.

No hotel surveillance tape (mentioned) of Saget's room's door; no mention of what, if anything, Saget was wearing when found; and no mention if any body fluids (aka, "DNA") were found on or around the body.

There's plenty besides photos that the wife might want to squelch and forget.