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Cynthia Nixon Defends Miranda’s Romance With Che Diaz Amid ‘And Just Like That’ Fan Backlash

A new direction. Plenty of And Just Like That viewers have expressed their dislike for Miranda’s recent story lines, but the character’s arc has at least one vocal supporter: Cynthia Nixon.

The Emmy winner, 55, who reprises her role as Miranda Hobbes in the Sex and the City revival, is a fan of the way the show’s writers have adapted the classic characters for 2022. “I think some people are not loving seeing these characters maybe off-kilter, but I love that,” the New York City native said during a Wednesday, January 26, appearance on The Drew Barrymore Show.

During the January 20 episode of the HBO series, Miranda told her husband, Steve (David Eigenberg), that she wanted a divorce so she could pursue her romance with Che Diaz (Sara Ramírez). Though some viewers have been pleased by the show’s inclusion of a nonbinary character, others have wondered whether Miranda would really upend her life for an affair.

“Miranda is so overwhelmed by how attracted she is to Che and how off-kilter that Che has thrown her that she becomes Charlotte and starts doing The Rules,” Nixon explained on Wednesday, referencing Charlotte’s (Kristin Davis) obsession with a self-help book from the 1990s.

The Tony Award winner also noted that calling Miranda’s arc a “mid-life crisis” is putting a “negative spin” on something that’s actually been a net positive for her character. “Out of crises come really productive things,” she told Drew Barrymore. “You’re not young anymore, but you’re not old, either. And you still have time to make sure that your life is the way you want it to be.”

Other fans have pointed out, however, that Miranda seems to have forgotten how angry she was during the first Sex and the City movie when Steve cheated on her. As viewers remember, the duo briefly split before deciding to give their marriage another chance by reuniting at the Brooklyn Bridge. One popular meme pairs a photo of Miranda in the original series telling Carrie (Sarah Jessica Parker) she’s “living in a fantasy” with a screenshot of AJLT Miranda saying she’s living in a rom-com.

Even Seth Meyers couldn’t resist teasing Nixon about the discrepancy when the actress stopped by Late Night later on Wednesday. “Steve’s not having a great time in the new show,” the Saturday Night Live alum, 48, joked. “You know I love Steve. I feel like I don’t know why you guys did him like that.”

Fans have taken issue with several of Che's characteristics, including the "woke moment" button they push on their podcast with Carrie and their habit of vaping marijuana in office elevators. Che's stand-up show — referred to as a "comedy concert" on the series — also struck many viewers as painfully unfunny. Then there are the tons of Che memes, which pair the line, "Hey, it's Che Diaz" with iconic horror movie moments. (Bowen Yang also referenced the character during his Saturday, January 22, appearance on SNL's "Weekend Update.")

On a more serious note, some LGBTQ+ critics have taken issue with the fact that one of the few nonbinary characters on TV sometimes comes off like a caricature. The Daily Beast, for example, recently claimed Che is "the worst character on TV."

Still, other fans see Che as a boon to the SATC universe, which has previously neglected to include LGTBQ+ and nonwhite characters. Several outlets have published "in defense of Che Diaz" pieces, with writers pointing out that some of the criticism seems to have a transphobic undertone.

The Grey's Anatomy alum, 46, isn't bothered by backlash to Che, and they don't think Che would be, either. "Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval," Ramírez said of the character in a recent roundtable interview. "Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves." (cont.)

by Anonymousreply 150February 13, 2022 3:58 AM

Because Miranda has been rewritten as Cynthia Nixon. Of course she'll defend her.

by Anonymousreply 1January 29, 2022 1:33 AM

(cont.) What Sara Thinks

The Grey's Anatomy alum, 46, isn't bothered by backlash to Che, and they don't think Che would be, either. "Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval," Ramírez said of the character in a recent roundtable interview. "Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves."

Nixon, for her part, actually recommended the Screen Actors Guild Award winner for the role. "I suggested them because I’ve been aware of them for so long and such a fan," the Quiet Passion actress told Barrymore, 46, noting that she started paying attention to Ramírez after seeing them in the musical Spamalot.

Kristin Weighs In

During a January appearance on Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen, the host asked Davis, 56, what she thought of Che's comedy act. "Oh, Andy, don't put me on the spot," she joked. "You're going to get me in trouble with [showrunner] Michael Patrick [King]. You know, I think it's meant to be more like, 'hmm'-type comedy."

Team Steve Has Entered the Chat

"I couldn’t help but wonder…is @therealsararamirez on Team Steve? #AndJustLikeThat," Nixon captioned an Instagram photo of Ramírez wearing a pin with Eigenberg's face on it in January 2022.

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by Anonymousreply 2January 29, 2022 1:34 AM

I love how these deluded actresses have ruined SATC’s legacy to validate their ego.

by Anonymousreply 3January 29, 2022 1:36 AM

[quote] The Grey's Anatomy alum, 46, isn't bothered by backlash to Che, and they don't think Che would be, either. "Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval," Ramírez said of the character in a recent roundtable interview. "Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves."

Does she know Che is a fictional character without personal sovreignty?

by Anonymousreply 4January 29, 2022 1:43 AM

I realised the truth about this turd during the election. The stuff she about Buttigieg on Twitter was absolutely disgusting.

She's not a likeable person or a good person and it doesn't surprise me her essence is creeping into screen with this pathetic character revision.

by Anonymousreply 5January 29, 2022 1:43 AM

They didn't write anything in Steve's defense, which is reprehensible.

by Anonymousreply 6January 29, 2022 1:50 AM

Her son brushed her off at the painting party, but the writers are inadvertently making Miranda even more of a monster by avoiding all pushback against her selfish antics.

They did make the son pretty hatable, too, but still. He's 17 and his mom just dumped his dad for a them and we haven't even seen her address it with her son, much less express any concern for him at all.

At the very least, he should lob some insults about her destructive midlife crisis at her. Or even his girlfriend could say it on her behalf.

As someone who once wanted to be a TV writer, I am quite offended that these writers are WGAw members and writing for an HBO series.

by Anonymousreply 7January 29, 2022 1:55 AM

Why does Cynthia look like she's ninety years old on the show? Geez, you can make the gray hair sexy. Why is she going for the elderly spinster look?

Cattrall was smart to bail. She knew what was in store, and I can't imagine how SJP would have destroyed the Samantha character had she returned.

This whole thing was nothing but an ego boost for SJP. Davis and Nixon are too clueless to realize it. You can't go home again.

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by Anonymousreply 8January 29, 2022 2:00 AM

The son was at the lgbtq event, so he would look pretty hypocritical not being supportive of Miranda.

by Anonymousreply 9January 29, 2022 2:04 AM

[quote] This whole thing was nothing but an ego boost for SJP.

She's paid $1 mil per episode, so that's $10 million and more than an ego boost.

[quote] The son was at the lgbtq event, so he would look pretty hypocritical not being supportive of Miranda.

That's crazy. His mother has been having an affair and just coldly dumped his unsuspecting half-deaf father after decades together. He's supposed to not give a shit she blew their family apart because he's an LGBT ally? I hope you don't really think that way. Get your priorities in order. Family > political activism. Unless you're, like, Che.

by Anonymousreply 10January 29, 2022 2:12 AM

[quote]Nixon, for her part, actually recommended the Screen Actors Guild Award winner for the role. "I suggested them because I’ve been aware of them for so long and such a fan," the Quiet Passion actress told Barrymore, 46, noting that she started paying attention to Ramírez after seeing them in the musical Spamalot.

"I suggested them because I’ve been aware of them for so long and such a fan," . No you suggested HER. She is a singular person.

by Anonymousreply 11January 29, 2022 2:20 AM

important stuff

by Anonymousreply 12January 29, 2022 2:23 AM

[quote] The son was at the lgbtq event, so he would look pretty hypocritical not being supportive of Miranda.

Being pro-LGBTQ does not mean you have to support your mom cheating on your Dad and then leaving him for a queer person, you idiot.

by Anonymousreply 13January 29, 2022 2:24 AM

Che looks like a gender non-conforming woman to me, not someone who is a collective of people or someone who can nullify the reality of their biological sex by demanding the use of a ridiculous pronoun.

by Anonymousreply 14January 29, 2022 2:26 AM

[quote] "Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval," Ramírez said

This is so Che

by Anonymousreply 15January 29, 2022 2:27 AM

R14 I work in higher ed, and most people now include their pronouns in their email signatures, on LinkedIn, etc. Many apparently gender-conforming/"cis"-appearing people use they/them. I assume it's a trend but I'm curious whether or not it is.

I list my he/his/him pronouns but it kind of bums me out to do it because I have a gay voice and I get twisted joy out of people calling me ma'am on the phone before asking for my name.

by Anonymousreply 16January 29, 2022 2:31 AM

They're fictional characters in a tv show. People shouldn't take it so seriously. Having said that, Che is not really a likeable character but I don't mind her myself.

by Anonymousreply 17January 29, 2022 2:41 AM

The only satisfying plot twist is Miranda finding Che having sex with a young woman. Then returning to Steve and finding him in bed with a young man.

by Anonymousreply 18January 29, 2022 2:46 AM

Cynthia Nixon and her out of control ego are largely responsible for the unpopularity of this trainwreck. It's cute that they've tried blaming Chris Noth when he was only in one episode....

by Anonymousreply 19January 29, 2022 5:50 AM

[quote] "I suggested them because I’ve been aware of them for so long and such a fan," the Quiet Passion actress told Barrymore, 46, noting that she started paying attention to Ramírez [bold]after seeing them in the musical Spamalot[/bold]. "I suggested them because I’ve been aware of them for so long and such a fan," . No you suggested HER. She is a singular person.

r11 This de Blasio stan/nutjob Nixon has damaged eyesight and brain. There was certainly no "they/them" Shrek in Spamalot.

by Anonymousreply 20January 29, 2022 6:11 AM

[quote] R14 I work in higher ed, and most people now include their pronouns in their email signatures, on LinkedIn, etc. [bold]Many apparently gender-conforming/"cis"-appear - ing people use they/them[/bold]. I assume it's a trend but I'm curious whether or not it is.

r16 That's their whole point: "Gender and pronouns and gender expression and appearances all don't have to match at all! It's how I feel inside! You don't get to judge how I identify by looking at me!"

So they can freely have an aggressive outrage game when sane people with working eyes call them with the pronouns matching their biological sex. It's all about demand, submission, control, manipulation.

by Anonymousreply 21January 29, 2022 6:20 AM

Apparently the first episode was the most watched premiere episode in HBO's history. But I couldn't help but wonder: is the show going to continue to do well, since all I hear is how much people hate Che Diaz and Miranda's inexplicable behavior since meeting them?

by Anonymousreply 22January 29, 2022 7:18 AM

People can say they hate it all they like, but if they still watch, HBO doesn't give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 23January 29, 2022 7:20 AM

But the question is, are they still watching?

by Anonymousreply 24January 29, 2022 7:23 AM

[Quote] The Grey's Anatomy alum, 46, isn't bothered by backlash to Che, and they don't think Che would be, either. "Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval," Ramírez said of the character in a recent roundtable interview. "Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves."

Fucking insufferable. And it's worse because some fans seem to think it's the writing. No, that's Sara in a nutshell.

by Anonymousreply 25January 29, 2022 7:29 AM

I heard rumors that they ratings have plummeted but who knows for sure? I’ve been a SATC apologist forever and even like the two movies but I can’t defend this show. I watch it every week but it’s awful. I genuinely hope they get a second season and try to bring it closer back to the spirit of the original. They can keep Seema. The frowning barren professor and pointless “Mary Sue” LTW can go.

And I agree with everyone saying of course Cynthia supports it. She probably demanded this storyline to come back. I do think this has killed Sara Ramirez’s career. You’d have to watch Grey’s Anatomy to know who she is. Che’s character is off-putting but so is her humorless flat bulldagger performance.

I’m sure no one wants to take the risk of an awkward Sara Ramirez performance on-screen but I’m sure Broadway has some Public Theater lecture play they can shove her into for a money losing two week run.

by Anonymousreply 26January 29, 2022 7:32 AM

[quote] Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval," Ramírez said of the character in a recent roundtable interview. "Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves."

George is getting very UPSET!

by Anonymousreply 27January 29, 2022 7:36 AM

I would never call someone they unless I was forced to. It’s never going to be a real thing.

by Anonymousreply 28January 29, 2022 7:52 AM

In the old SATC, Miranda would have discovered Che is secretly married to a man in Cincinnati, has four kids in bible school, wears a wig and goes by Cheryline.

by Anonymousreply 29January 29, 2022 8:15 AM

Who the fuck wants to watch butch Sara Ramirez eat out Cynthia Nixon-with-a-hideous-wig???

Seriously, who???

Kim Cattrall was so smart to jump ship.

by Anonymousreply 30January 29, 2022 8:31 AM

[quote] In the old SATC, Miranda would have discovered Che is secretly married to a man in Cincinnati, has four kids in bible school, wears a wig and goes by Cheryline.

Times have changed. No seriously, they really have and the show reflects that.

by Anonymousreply 31January 29, 2022 8:33 AM

They're whining because the nonbinary character comes across as a caricature?! Have they met any of the "internationally renowned" nonbinaries? They're all ridiculous.

I know they have this fantasy all of their representation will just be some normal-looking, hot person who "just happens to be nonbinary" but come on.

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by Anonymousreply 32January 29, 2022 8:39 AM

[quote]Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves."

Thry didn't say LATINX!!!! How dare they erase others from their culture!!

by Anonymousreply 33January 29, 2022 8:41 AM

BROKE : We need representation, it's nice that there's a non-binary Latina character on a major program.

WOKE: Che is not here to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community or a spectrum of Spanish-speaking people or Latin-identified people or Hispanic-identified people. They're here to just be themselves.

I can't keep up.

by Anonymousreply 34January 29, 2022 8:47 AM

First Carrie does nothing to help her husband having a heart attack and now Mranda. You are supposed to like and root characters.

by Anonymousreply 35January 29, 2022 8:59 AM

Who is watching this drivel? Imagine Seinfeld coming back for a remake to cash in, with the characters dating trans Latinx actors.

by Anonymousreply 36January 29, 2022 9:19 AM

R32 was the photo really necessary?

by Anonymousreply 37January 29, 2022 9:30 AM

NOBODY is watching SATC for this shit. Nobody.

by Anonymousreply 38January 29, 2022 9:38 AM

For this series, Cynthia hired her former campaign manager's daughter as an assistant. Cynthia also got the same woman a non-speaking role as a waitress in one scene. Can you say: nepotism.

To add to this bizarre Six Degrees of Separation situation, this 'nepotism assistant' lived with actor Riz Ahmed for about a year when he was working on learning drums for the Sound of Metal film while living in Brooklyn, but he always hid her.

SJP's publishing imprint, Hogarth, chose Riz's current wife, American author Fatima Farheen Mirza's book, to be the first published by her company. Fatima frantically pursued Riz while he was living with the Brooklyn based 'nepotism assistant'. No wonder SJP was giving 'nepotism assistant' odd looks in some on-set photos which are up at Getty.

by Anonymousreply 39January 29, 2022 9:51 AM

R39 I can’t believe you decided to write any of that nothingness down. Are you that crazy woman obsessed with Riz?

by Anonymousreply 40January 29, 2022 10:03 AM

Thanks for the background info, r39, it explains a lot. The infestation of the show by GLAAD thanks to Cynthia Nixon is also part of the problem. No way someone as talentless as Samantha Irby would have got a writing credit on such a show otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 41January 29, 2022 10:27 AM

Cynthia hates Buttigieg and by extension all DLers.

by Anonymousreply 42January 29, 2022 10:30 AM

R8 good lord that clip. Zero chemistry. Also I have said I've loved pizza with more passion than these 2 bitches say they love eachother. Terrible acting.

by Anonymousreply 43January 29, 2022 10:34 AM

R8, Cynthia looks like every fibre of her body is screaming "I don't want to do this, I don't want to do this, I don't want to do this!" in that clip.

by Anonymousreply 44January 29, 2022 2:00 PM

Having watched the clip again, another problem seems to be that Cynthia doesn't have anyone to act off. Sara is just standing there like a plank of wood and Cynthia is trying her best but her fellow actor just isn't giving her anything to work off, so she appears slightly demented and like she's over-acting, as well as being fully aware that this scene is going to turn out bad and forcing herself to get to the end of it. It's just painful to watch.

by Anonymousreply 45January 29, 2022 2:06 PM

R45 I don't believe Cynthia was aware it would turn out poorly. Most of us believe the whole Che thing was her idea and she is still defending it.

Anyway, I have a feeling if the show comes back, it's going to resolve by Miranda dumping Che and saying she was just figuring her life out, Che telling her she is the kind of selfish straight person who uses queer people for navel gazing and then throws them away, we'll find out Miranda has some hidden addiction contribiting to her midlife antics, she will go into rehab and meet a nice, more down-to-Earth gal to date.

by Anonymousreply 46January 29, 2022 2:13 PM

Cynthia and temple grandin broke up?

by Anonymousreply 47January 29, 2022 2:14 PM

The only relatable way to end the relationship would be for Che to dump Miranda's clingy, old fashioned ass. That would free Miranda to explore her sexuality with people of other backgrounds.

I don't know what's worse---the writing , Ramirez's wooden non-acting, Miranda being played as a12 year old girl or Miranda's horrid wig(s).

by Anonymousreply 48January 29, 2022 2:22 PM

What's weird is on Greys Anatomy Ramirez wasnt incredible but Ramirez was pretty good at acting in it. I guess it's the character? I see articles saying people are against Che cause they are non binary. No its cause the character is awful and Ramirez is wooden as fuck in this performance.

by Anonymousreply 49January 29, 2022 2:34 PM

R46, I don't mean that Cynthia was aware Che would turn out badly - she lives in a queerio echo chamber and thinks that Che is ground-breaking and wonderful. I meant it's obvious - at least to me - that she knows that specific scene isn't working well, which is why she's over-acting, but she still can't get anything back from Ramirez.

by Anonymousreply 50January 29, 2022 2:38 PM

Maybe R50 but she has said she recommended Ramirez for the role and thinks they are excellent in it.

by Anonymousreply 51January 29, 2022 2:40 PM

R47, I think she’s still with Rojo Caliente.

by Anonymousreply 52January 29, 2022 3:02 PM

HBO cares. They don't go in for bad reviews and junk. It cancels shows. This venture failed. If it comes back it surely has to be much changed. Don't know how that manifests.

by Anonymousreply 53January 29, 2022 3:11 PM

Nixon was deluded enough to run for governor so, of course, she thinks she's done something ground breaking.

by Anonymousreply 54January 29, 2022 3:13 PM

Season two could be great if Mike White were made the showrunner. They could even just do a do-over with a similar plot for each character but handle the writing with grace and nuance instead of disjointed schizophrenic messiness.

by Anonymousreply 55January 29, 2022 3:15 PM

[quote]During a January appearance on Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen, the host asked Davis, 56, what she thought of Che's comedy act. "Oh, Andy, don't put me on the spot," she joked. "You're going to get me in trouble with [showrunner] Michael Patrick [King]. You know, I think it's meant to be more like, 'hmm'-type comedy."

That says a lot.

by Anonymousreply 56January 29, 2022 3:15 PM

I'm wondering of they're building this up so that Miranda will get her heart broken by Che and that Sara Ramirez is just here for one season.

by Anonymousreply 57January 29, 2022 3:20 PM

Can someone please explain what it means when a thread is greyed out?

by Anonymousreply 58January 29, 2022 3:25 PM

Not feeling Ramirez at all. in SATC Miranda was basically no bullshit character. I’m still watching AJLT and will continue to do so.

by Anonymousreply 59January 29, 2022 3:27 PM

So wait, she's cis and non-binary. Am I keeping up?

by Anonymousreply 60January 29, 2022 3:35 PM

I like Carrie's jewelry designer neighbor. She's about the only thing I can stomach right now.

by Anonymousreply 61January 29, 2022 3:39 PM

Everyone seems to love the girl downstairs. I don't think she fits with the show at all. She seems sweet and endearingly troubled, but Carrie is an old lady who can't let go of the past and the last thing she needs is a trendy young former model to latch onto. Seema fits. Nya fits.

by Anonymousreply 62January 29, 2022 3:41 PM

Jewelry neighbor is the closest Carrie will get to nurturing a daughter-figure.

It's worth exploring. And maybe it will show Carrie what a self-absorbed person she is.

by Anonymousreply 63January 29, 2022 3:43 PM

And just like that, it occurred to me: Have I been a selfish, materialistic, shallow fashion victim all my adult life? And then I saw a pair of Manolos walk by that I just had to have and never get introspection another thought.

by Anonymousreply 64January 29, 2022 3:45 PM

I thought it was totally out of character for Miranda to let her son's girlfriend spend nights there and flaunt their non-step sex.

by Anonymousreply 65January 29, 2022 3:51 PM

Old people lose their way and their footing in the new world around them. Maybe this is being played well.

by Anonymousreply 66January 29, 2022 3:51 PM

[quote] So wait, she's cis and non-binary. Am I keeping up?

She's a cis non-binary demiromantic pansexual lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun!

by Anonymousreply 67January 29, 2022 3:51 PM

Why isn't Che just a stone-cold butch?

by Anonymousreply 68January 29, 2022 3:55 PM

I haven’t watched, but it sounds as though the show has lost its way, and is veering into hectoring territory.

by Anonymousreply 69January 29, 2022 3:56 PM

Che's appearance is a made-for-television equivalent of Nixon's wife.

by Anonymousreply 70January 29, 2022 3:57 PM

The Woker it gets, the less funny it gets.

by Anonymousreply 71January 29, 2022 3:59 PM

You're telling me!

by Anonymousreply 72January 29, 2022 4:01 PM

Miranda won't wnd up calling herself gay. She'll be 'technically bisexual' or pansexual, it's complicated, hence Che being a manifestation of Nixon's refusal to label her way of life. The only line between Cynthia and her character, I think, is that Miranda is the 'old Cynthia' from her hetero days, and Che represents who Cynthia has become inside. I really believe the whole storyline is Cynthia Nixon's concept of suddenly meeting and falling in love with her true self. Her statement below reads just like Che's dialogue. When Che speaks into her podcast microphone, she's expressing Cynthia's worldview.

[quote] We talked last week about Cynthia Nixon's statements that she chose to be gay. Most of you guys thought her original statement was just fine, but it caused such a stir that she has now spoken out to clarify her statements.

[quote] "My recent comments in the > New York Times were about me and my personal story of being gay. I believe we all have different ways we came to the gay community and we can't and shouldn't be pigeon-holed into one cultural narrative which can be uninclusive and disempowering. However, to the extent that anyone wishes to interpret my words in a strictly legal context I would like to clarify: While I don't often use the word, the technically precise term for my orientation is bisexual. I believe bisexuality is not a choice, it is a fact. What I have 'chosen' is to be in a gay relationship.

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by Anonymousreply 73January 29, 2022 4:04 PM

I doubt a tv show where its main audience is straight women would want to see Miranda with another woman.

by Anonymousreply 74January 29, 2022 4:08 PM

Why isn't Michael Patrick King being called out on this train wreck? The last film was terrible and this is just as bad. The power of the original is completely gone. They all look like drag kings in those ridiculous clothes, and their total lack of awareness is just baffling.

by Anonymousreply 75January 29, 2022 4:10 PM

I've never watched one episode of either new or old version and I know one of the gay guys died in real life, but are there any fun gay gays on this shit show?

by Anonymousreply 76January 29, 2022 4:11 PM

Darren Star needs to get KC on Emily In Paris.

After the reviews of the first season, it’ll take more than a mountain to get Kim back, on AJLT.

by Anonymousreply 77January 29, 2022 4:11 PM

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by Anonymousreply 78January 29, 2022 4:13 PM

"Fun gays" for ya, R96

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by Anonymousreply 79January 29, 2022 4:13 PM

R75... Fluff pieces where the reporter agrees to no fly zones are probably all that's being done these days. No one's really talking anymore. Nixon probably only fields questions because she's promoting Gilded Age and there's too many mainstream publications they need for that which have enough clout to say no/limited ground rules.

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by Anonymousreply 80January 29, 2022 4:16 PM

[quote] Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval.

So I guess that explains why she's the first deliberately unfunny standup comedian in history. I was confused by why her act was so pathetic and lame, but it totally makes sense now.

by Anonymousreply 81January 29, 2022 4:18 PM

Che isn't here to be liked, Che isn't here for anyone's approval. Che thinks blitverts and androgynous metaparcels are inharmonious! Che thinks nurf is moorfouzen! Che thinks yeet and poot! Che blrieisman anannana slallooppppp

by Anonymousreply 82January 29, 2022 4:22 PM

R60 she's a female. Cis and non binary are identity politics driven, bullshit labels.

by Anonymousreply 83January 29, 2022 4:27 PM

I heart R82.

by Anonymousreply 84January 29, 2022 4:49 PM

I’m willing to die on the cross as the world’s only person who likes the SATC revival.

by Anonymousreply 85January 29, 2022 4:50 PM

I'll bring the nails R85. Ramirez seems to miss that even if the audience truly hates a character, they want to have a connection with them and that doesn't seem to be happening here.

by Anonymousreply 86January 29, 2022 5:05 PM

Anthony is hilarious. Yes, he's a minstrel show but he owns it.

by Anonymousreply 87January 29, 2022 5:15 PM

R87 exactly. There are characters I hate but at least find engaging and interesting. Che sucks.

by Anonymousreply 88January 29, 2022 5:22 PM

[quote][R39] I can’t believe you decided to write any of that nothingness down. Are you that crazy woman obsessed with Riz?

Woman? I'm a gay man. WTF are you going on about?

Not sure 'who' you think I am, but I do know, there was a lot of buzz on the reboot set about Cynthia hiring certain assistants because she was doing people favors, that few of these so-called assistants had any real experience in the areas they were hired to work in.

The 'nepotism assistant' doesn't even have a background in fashion, she was nothing but a glorified gofer. The other buzz, the 'nepotism assistant' is dying to get into showbiz, in any way shape or form. She's modeled and has dated other famous men besides actor Riz Ahmed.

by Anonymousreply 89January 29, 2022 5:27 PM

and he's a cliche with a big, easily wounded heart of gold. This show needs that. He's kind of a Samantha substitute in that respect. I kind of wish they'd give Anthony the permanent fourth chair. He's funny. He's tiring but he's one of the biggest hearted characters on the show.

by Anonymousreply 90January 29, 2022 5:56 PM

Cattral's never coming back. She doesn't need the show. The show doesn't need her now. It moved on, however inelegantly. Plus, Cattrall liked a post that called the reboot trashy. I imagine that went over well.

by Anonymousreply 91January 29, 2022 5:58 PM

I didn't know Drew Barrymore's talk show was still on.

by Anonymousreply 92January 29, 2022 6:16 PM

r3 sums it up

by Anonymousreply 93January 29, 2022 6:18 PM

Hear, hear r21! That's exactly what this pronoun nonsense is.

by Anonymousreply 94January 29, 2022 6:29 PM

Had AJTL been a big critical and commercial hit, perhaps Cattrall would have reconsidered if the money were right. But given how poorly the characters come off and how dull the show is, she's looking smarter and smarter for avoiding this mess. I'm happy she didn't let them pull her back in and ruin Samantha like they've ruined Miranda.

by Anonymousreply 95January 29, 2022 6:37 PM

I can only imagine how they would've fucked with the character of Samantha in this reboot. They probably would've had her dating Laverne Cox or some insane shit like that. Cattrall was so smart to say no to this, I'm sure she has no regrets.

by Anonymousreply 96January 29, 2022 6:39 PM

[quote] Plus, Cattrall liked a post that called the reboot trashy.

For all you (and SJP and Michael Patrick King) know, she liked it because she wanted to show friendliness towards the person making the comment, not because she likes the comment itself.

Making sweeping judgments about people based on what they hit the "like" button for on social media is not only one of the most awful and invasive parts of this age of no privacy, but it certainly also one of the very stupidest.

by Anonymousreply 97January 29, 2022 6:49 PM

[quote] I kind of wish they'd give Anthony the permanent fourth chair. He's funny. He's tiring but he's one of the biggest hearted characters on the show.

The same sentiments were expressed when he was a semi-permanent cohost on The View. He was brought on seemingly as a favor from his friend Joy, and then brought back to substitute, and then he was there more often than Ana Navarro is now—and she is in the show's opening credits. But he didn't get the job because he isn't a woman and the whole concept of the show is that it's women talking among women. Kind of a bummer, but everyone accepted that that is what the show is.

He is definitely cast as an actor for his personality and real-life delivery. He's like Joy Behar, Susie Essman and (for those who like him) Billy Eichner: loud, brash, very annoying and yet somehow likable or even lovable anyway. Sometimes a loud curmudgeon is just what the situation calls for.

by Anonymousreply 98January 29, 2022 7:03 PM

Speaking of which, shouldn't there be a non-cis woman on the View?

by Anonymousreply 99January 29, 2022 7:10 PM

Or maybe a pregnant man so it can be more inclusive.

by Anonymousreply 100January 29, 2022 7:13 PM

I don't think The View is that inclusive. It's ladies from child-bearing age up to post-retirement age and that's it, with the occasional gay man sidekick for a day.

HOWEVER, I did look up the woman who does the annoying voiceovers just yesterday and her style is butch-adjacent-punk and may be borderline nonbinary—but she's kept off camera. I wouldn't be surprised if she uses they/them/their.

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by Anonymousreply 101January 29, 2022 7:18 PM

Patricia Field and Kim Cattrall are sitting down eating popcorn and enjoying every second of this train wreck. .

by Anonymousreply 102January 29, 2022 7:38 PM

Oh, Kim Cattrall/Samantha is off eating ham, egg and chip, drinking warm beer and fucking Colin Firth.

by Anonymousreply 103January 29, 2022 8:59 PM

Kim's new career....

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by Anonymousreply 104January 29, 2022 11:34 PM

If only it had been [italic]Pat[/italic] Nixon who had a torrid affair with Che Diaz.

"Finger me, Che!!"

by Anonymousreply 105January 29, 2022 11:41 PM
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by Anonymousreply 106January 30, 2022 12:02 AM

KC's post-SATC career hasn't been anything to write home about and I'm sure the QAF reboot will be cringe as well. Part of the reason the rhythm of the show is off is because KC is not there. If she was, it would probably gel a bit better, despite the off-camera friction. Seema is best of the new characters and is the only one they've done right, because they've actually taken time to develop her and well, she's the most Samantha-like. I hope there's a second season and that they right the ship and return some of the joy and warmth to the show. It really needs Carrie's narration to move it along and frame the scenes. It feels limp and lifeless without it. I appreciate SJP's sobering and shocking lack of vanity this time around, but they need to reanimate her and drop the mourning schtick and let her character be as colorful, messy and self-involved as she was previously. Everyone is too self-conscious and that's sucking all of the air out of the show. Michael Patrick King seems like he's out of original ideas and they would benefit from a new showrunner.

by Anonymousreply 107January 30, 2022 2:20 AM

Does horse face get all the good looking guys, and the others get the dogs as usual? That was always so ridic and ugh.

by Anonymousreply 108February 7, 2022 5:20 PM

[quote]they need to reanimate her and drop the mourning schtick and let her character be as colorful, messy and self-involved as she was previously.

Wait, she's sill in mourning? I haven't watched since the first episode where she sat on the floor and let her husband die without so much as getting his nitro pills that they made sure to mention he had.

by Anonymousreply 109February 7, 2022 9:22 PM

What's up with Cynthia's wonky teeth? Her teeth as also very yellow. Actually her crooked teeth are three different colors.

Cynthia has money, why not get them fixed? Her teeth don't have to be blinding white or be huge like Chicklet gum, but her teeth are pretty bad for an actress. Cher had the same type of crooked four front teeth, she finally had them fixed.

It's not as if Cynthia's teeth are part of her acting like Steve Buscemi's horrible teeth. Steve is a character actor and his teeth are definitely a big part of his overall image.

Would a successful Manhattan lawyer have such awful teeth as Miranda's?

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by Anonymousreply 110February 8, 2022 8:20 AM

Maybe she just doesn't want marshmallow-white Hollwood chicklets. Outside the US, her teeth are not unusual looking. Every time I travel abroad, I turn on the news and the first thing I notice is that the news readers don't look like they have big white straight chompers. It's strange looking at first and then I realize that's what teeth look like—bone colored, not marshmallow colored—and American standard ones are either manufacuted and cemented on or else bleached and lasered. One day, American people will probably standardize bleaching our bones to go with the bleached hair, teeth and assholes. It's so fucking weird.

I'm American and of half British descent, and as a result my upper teeth are crowded in such a way that one is at an angle and looks like a 'snaggle tooth.' I considered for many years getting them 'fixed,' but here's what that would involve: Extraction of two or three teeth, 18+ months of braces to move the rest into place (do braces look less 'shameful' than imperfectly placed teeth because they are expensive?), and a retainer for the rest of my life. All for one snaggletooth? Nah.

I have one dental implant. Because of bone structure, the implant post is at an angle and the crown juts out over my tongue a bit and after a year it still bothers me inside my mouth. Before the implant, I had a root canal on that tooth and the crown fell off several times over a decade's time.

I've seen several people with veneers suddenly freak out and have to run away to a dentist to glue their fake tooth facade back onto their face because underneath was a jagged little fang. It's so fucking weird. Americans shame people who don't have 'perfect teeth,' but perfect teeth involve all kinds of lifelong appliances that cost many thousands of dollars, bleach that can damage tooth structure, and false facades/veneers/crowns that fall off. That's considered perfect.

As an American, I can say it is the epitome of the American way to damage the integrity of something that is practically needed in order to put across the image of perfection.

Studies show that despite the reputation of 'bad British teeth,' British people on average have healthier teeth than American people do. American people just have expensive dental treatments to make everyone look like they have dentures and they consider that to be a sign of health, whereas European people have teeth that look like teeth.

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by Anonymousreply 111February 8, 2022 9:42 AM

R111, as a Briton I think the whole American chemically altered, white, shining teeth thing is bizarre. But... you can still get your teeth cleaned up without the whole bleaching thing. Perhaps most ordinary people can't be bothered to do it and that's ok, but if you're going to be on a show watched by millions around the world, it might be an idea to consider your appearance.

by Anonymousreply 112February 8, 2022 9:46 AM

[quote]I work in higher ed, and most people now include their pronouns in their email signatures, on LinkedIn, etc. Many apparently gender-conforming/"cis"-appear - ing people use they/them. I assume it's a trend but I'm curious whether or not it is.

[quote]I list my he/his/him pronouns but it kind of bums me out to do it because I have a gay voice and I get twisted joy out of people calling me ma'am on the phone before asking for my name.

This has become a thing recently introduced into my workplace too. It is totally optional, but I find it kinda interesting that the entire office has added their pronouns to their email signatures with the exception of myself, who is the only one who has trans friends, and my manager who has a trans child.

by Anonymousreply 113February 8, 2022 9:53 AM

She's not non-binary or whatever, r101. Here she talks about being a woman in the business and you can see some photos of her, her husband and two kids.

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by Anonymousreply 114February 8, 2022 9:58 AM

Why on earth do you list "your pronouns", r16? Just don't do it.

by Anonymousreply 115February 8, 2022 10:02 AM

I have been tempted to add pronouns to my email signature:

[quote] Pronouns: me/ME/ME!!!!

by Anonymousreply 116February 8, 2022 10:05 AM

Che wasn’t funny, Che wasn’t interesting. Che didn’t have any magnetism. Miranda came off as completely pathetic mooning over Che the way she did. This was a swing and a miss.

by Anonymousreply 117February 8, 2022 2:56 PM

Thoughts on Mario's impersonations?

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by Anonymousreply 118February 11, 2022 2:03 PM

Why does Nixon’s hair always looks so disheveled and ratty in these episodes?

Also, they’re supposed to be in their 50’s; why do they hobble as if in their 60’s?

by Anonymousreply 119February 11, 2022 2:33 PM

R119 Carrie hobbles because she has a genetic hip defect and NOT BECAUSE OF OLD AGE.

Carrie is ageless, after all, and timelessly fabulous and limitlessly wealthy. She is the everywoman.

by Anonymousreply 120February 11, 2022 2:41 PM

That clip of Miranda telling Che reminds me of some high school girl crushing on the bad boy at school. Same dynamics. A bit cringey.

Perhaps it's that it's out of context but the acting and dialogue is pretty bad especially the Che character.

I never felt she loved Steve - more like she settled because she wanted someone and to have a child.

by Anonymousreply 121February 11, 2022 2:52 PM

They wrote it like they did and ignored it in 2022 because on a bunch of every other fronts they were as clueless in the 90s as everybody else.

by Anonymousreply 122February 11, 2022 2:56 PM

Bring back Big.

by Anonymousreply 123February 11, 2022 3:00 PM

True r117, and on top of that they made everyone else be amazed and blown away by Che's nonexistent charisma. It was just stupid and highlighted what a bubble the writers and producers must live in.

by Anonymousreply 124February 11, 2022 3:02 PM

I thought Che had a ton of presence, on account of her aggressive, purposeful obnoxiousness, but that should repel people, not make them swoon.

by Anonymousreply 125February 11, 2022 3:05 PM

Che has an interesting vibe but that dialogue and delivery - meh. If she wants Miranda then it's because she thinks Miranda will be submissive and do what she's told. Like a good wifey more in love with her husband than he is with her. A real turn-around for Miranda. Poor subservient Steve may find this amusing.

by Anonymousreply 126February 11, 2022 3:13 PM

[quote] Carrie hobbles because she has a genetic hip defect and NOT BECAUSE OF OLD AGE.

I hate when some weird malady shows up as a plot device for one episode--never mentioned before or after.

by Anonymousreply 127February 11, 2022 5:27 PM

Carrie insists on being in heels which doesn't really work at her age, hence the hobble rather than a strut. Ditto Miranda and Charlotte.

by Anonymousreply 128February 11, 2022 5:53 PM

And all of her shoes look like they weigh ten pounds.

Of course if you're used to horseshoes. But then you think she would have a better step.

by Anonymousreply 129February 11, 2022 5:54 PM

If Che were a man, his character would suffer for their sex drive. Male or female, Che is a dirtbag. A sleazy dirtbag.

by Anonymousreply 130February 11, 2022 5:55 PM

She's no Lipizzaner.

by Anonymousreply 131February 11, 2022 5:56 PM

Che is just creepy and not particularly funny. He/she/it sounds like a dime-a-dozen comedian who shows up at gay pride festivals.

by Anonymousreply 132February 11, 2022 5:57 PM

I think it could possibly add to Che's visual appeal if she she was not styled to look like a complete bull dyke.

by Anonymousreply 133February 11, 2022 6:42 PM

Is there anyone on the planet that actually LIKES Cynthia Nixon? She's been so nasty for years and seems to have turned off everybody. She reeks of self-adoration and privilege. She's also always trolling people on Twitter turning the screw on enemies like Cuomo and others. There's nothing gracious about the woman. He real life partner seems like a very nice and supportive person. But Nixon just seems crass, nasty and like she'd turn on you like a pit viper.

by Anonymousreply 134February 11, 2022 7:03 PM

Carrie is well on her journey toward becoming that tiny, frizzy-headed, hunched over old New York lady made of bones and diamond jewelry wrapped in a full-length fur coat who hobbles around on stupid heels and has to wrap her fingerbones around some young person's hand to get across the street without toppling herself over and shattering into shards of bone and precious gems.

by Anonymousreply 135February 11, 2022 8:19 PM

I heard a spoiler (from a reliable source) that in Season 2, they are incorporating a Benjamin Button fantasy twist, and Carrie will actually grow younger.

And I think SJP has the acting chops to pull this off.

by Anonymousreply 136February 11, 2022 8:22 PM

Oh god, R135, I can see that exactly!

by Anonymousreply 137February 11, 2022 8:22 PM

Anthony was the ONLY character who made any sense in this fetid turd of a revival. He was funny, he pulled no punches and he has a long history with the group. He absolutely belonged in that fourth chair full-time, and being a newly-divorced old queen would've opened a world of vintage SATC-style storylines for him.

by Anonymousreply 138February 11, 2022 9:19 PM

I find that horseface only looks good whenever her hair is up in a bun.

by Anonymousreply 139February 11, 2022 9:24 PM

I agree her hair looks best up, rather than that Lion King thing she seems to adore professionally and personally, but that wind tunnel bun look only made her look pulled tight and beady eyed.

by Anonymousreply 140February 11, 2022 9:28 PM

The reason Carrie's styles and accessories were always big, gaudy and garish is because they wanted to balance out/distract from her bold features when she was onscreen. It's just true. Her signature style was a happy accident stemming from needing to distract from her features to make her seem soft and romantic.

by Anonymousreply 141February 11, 2022 9:30 PM

Who, man, woman, animal, would want to duck Miranda?

by Anonymousreply 142February 11, 2022 9:31 PM

^ Hi, it's Che Diaz!

by Anonymousreply 143February 11, 2022 11:13 PM

Or is it th'I'm Che Diaz?

by Anonymousreply 144February 11, 2022 11:14 PM

[quote]Also, they’re supposed to be in their 50’s; why do they hobble as if in their 60’s?

The characters 'hobble' because they are wearing ridiculous way too high shoes which the fashion industry pushes as attractive. Four inch heels with platforms, who the hell can walk around Manhattan is those ugly shoes?

Those fug shoes actually do look like horse hooves!

by Anonymousreply 145February 12, 2022 7:16 AM

[quote] This has become a thing recently introduced into my workplace too. It is totally optional, but I find it kinda interesting that the entire office has added their pronouns to their email signatures with the exception of myself, who is the only one who has trans friends, and my manager who has a trans child

A lesbian coworker had Assigned Fabulous At Birth in her sig for a day and a half before she was reported.

by Anonymousreply 146February 12, 2022 10:01 AM

Hopefully Miranda will cheat on Che with Che's hot Irish brother.

by Anonymousreply 147February 12, 2022 11:54 AM

He identifies as a Celtic Sprite, not Irish, you racist othering labellist bastard.

by Anonymousreply 148February 12, 2022 12:28 PM

Che's brother is an FTM leprechaun with a limp.

by Anonymousreply 149February 12, 2022 11:21 PM

Cynthia continues to get 'nepotism assistant' more work. The 'nepotism assistant' recently 'worked' on a film with Angus Cloud from 'Euphoria' and Alex Wolff from "Hereditary'.

If Cynthia didn't get her these gigs, she'd be back sweeping floors in a Bklyn beauty salon.

by Anonymousreply 150February 13, 2022 3:58 AM
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