THE FOX & THE HOUND

Do you put them in the fruit cellar when you think they're "fruity"?!

Wasn't Daniel P. Mannix American?

I loved this movie.

R2 yeah actually you’re right, my mistake, I just looked that up.

That said, he’s likely of Dutch or German extraction, given his last name and the fact he & his family hail from Pennsylvania. His writing really does have that sparse Germanic quality.

Sorry but their declarations of friendship really sound too tender and angsty not to be at least romantic if not longing.

If you imagine it’s human men speaking their dialogue, the whole situation seems very fraught and charged. A clandestine relationship between two males? Seems like there’s only one obvious way to read it.

“You shouldn’t be over here...you’re gonna get us both into a lotta trouble.”

“Hey, look, I—I just wanted to see ya...”

When I had my first baby, I got all these offers in the mail for book clubs and movie clubs for kids. Every goddamn club wanted me to have this movie (kind of like Dr. Seuss The Foot Book?) If you ever had a kid you’ll know what I mean. So anyway I end up with this movie and by that time I have 2 kids. They loved it. Watched it on the regular. I always liked it because it was calm, and not too stimulating for them. (They were really little, sometimes you don’t want movies that are loud and too much going on.) I could never figure out what it was r-e-a-l-l-y about. It was too sweet to be just about friendship, and with Disney (even the older movies.) I feel like there are always things hidden in plain sight. I have to watch it again, i haven’t watched a sweet kids movie in a long time.

[quote] There is no space for feelings or acknowledging their emotions. They are males who have to conform to masculinity standards and refuse to show any kind of empathy. They are trapped in what is defined as the “man box,” the social construction that forces adult males to shut down emotions. As coded characters, Todd and Cooper are Disney’s Ennis and Jack. Like in Brokeback Mountain, their coded relationship is tragic because of the series of obstacles created by their environment. Still, the key elements of the tragic gay story are evident in the movie’s subtext. As with Ennis and Jack, the chemistry between Todd and Copper is evident. They are forced apart by their environment, but they still care for one another and ultimately save each other by risking their lives. Even in the closing scene, there are hints at a possible hidden desire. While Todd nostalgically falls asleep, Copper watches him from a hill, remembering their oath to be friends forever. In its epilogue, The Fox and the Hound confirms all its key characteristics. The bleak atmosphere persists, the coming of age story closes on a bittersweet note as many gay stories do. There is no clear resolution; Todd and Cooper have been victims of society and nature, which have run their course.

[quote] I end up with this movie and by that time I have 2 kids. They loved it. Watched it on the regular. I always liked it because it was calm, and not too stimulating for them.

This dark film had gunshots aplenty, a car chase, animal fights, mortal peril, and a train accident. What the hell movie were *you* watching?

I saw the movie and had the record as a kid. Years later, for some reason I came across the movie again and tried to watch it when I was home from college with a friend. I couldn't get through it--MARY! This was before I was even out to myself.

At the time, I thought I was sad simply because they couldn't be friends. Years later, I realized that I was projecting some of my fears of coming out onto the characters. For me, it wasn't that the characters had a secret longing. Instead, it was that I knew that if I ever came out to that friend (that I had brought home from college and watched the movie with), the friendship would end. I knew he couldn't handle it from some things he had said.

I transferred to another college the next year and we stayed in touch for a semester. I'm friends with his wife on Facebook, but he never contacted me, and I know he's aware that I'm gay, so it kind of confirmed the fears I had projected.

R9 aw, sorry to hear that, what a sad tale. It’s awful not having closure on these things in life, isn’t it?

One can only hope that time matures people some, and that your former(?) friend got over any major prejudices on his own.

[quote]That said, he’s likely of Dutch or German extraction, given his last name and the fact he & his family hail from Pennsylvania. His writing really does have that sparse Germanic quality.

Give it up, OP, the name Mannix is of Irish origin.

Omg I saw this movie when I was 5 or 6 years old and cried! I was a Mary from the start!

I loved the trailer when it came out & begged my parents to take me to see it.

I love the word titular!

some of the human designs for Copper & Todd done by fans are pretty cute tbh