Lia Thomas will give interview to Sports Illustrated

Of course it is unfair. Any same person would come to that conclusion. This is ridiculous.

Why not make it a panel and include questions from "her" teammates and other Ivy League swimmers, male and female.

It is unfair but I suppose Sports Illustrated will use the factory settings. The topic can't even be discussed rationally.

You gotta feel for the poor girls that trained for years, compete in good faith and fairness, and have to deal with this stupidity.

Will they interview the women whose awards he stole as well?

Curious about one thing, which I've never read anything about. How are FtM athletes faring when they compete against men who started that way? I imagine they're at a disadvantage, physiologically, most of the time. Are they complaining?

R6 Schuyler Bailar was recruited as a female by Harvard, then transitioned to male, swam with the men’s team, but swam exhibition meaning the scores didn’t count towards the teams overall score. Bailar’s times as a male were abysmal and he finished dead last most of the time.

That's what gives the lie to this BS, R6 (or it's one of the things, rather). No-one is agitating for Ellen "Elliot" Page and her ilk to play American football because we all know that they would be pulverized. All the agitation is coming from the trans-identifying men (i.e. "trans women") who can safely compete in sports and achieve this victory over truth and reality, and do so without being at physical risk themselves.

Her teammates aren’t willing to talk publicly, R2. I am completely against Lia being allowed to compete (officially) against genetically female competitors. And I understand why her teammates are unwilling to speak out against her in the current environment. I think their fears of being cancelled, painted as homophobic, having trouble finding employment, etc. are justified.

But this has gotten a lot of attention and public sentiment is clearly on their side. Yet they continue to give anonymous, and only anonymous, commentary to the press. Why? They are obviously good athletes, but none of them are going to be professional swimmers or go to the Olympics. College swimming is the end of their careers. I wish some of them would have the guts to speak up for the sake of those coming after them. None of the U Penn swimmers lost a scholarship because of Lia. But there have been HS runners who may have.

I hope sanity prevails - but I am not optimistic.

[quote]College swimming is the end of their careers. I wish some of them would have the guts to speak up for the sake of those coming after them.

With all the inclusion orthodoxy dominating workplaces, and HR in particular, and with the Twitter mobs capable of scaring the profit pants off companies, it would just be career suicide to have your name associated with anything except toeing the line.

I do not understand how a small group of people have managed to dominate and frankly terrify pretty much everybody and everything. It's like nothing I've ever seen and it's fraught with perils well beyond the issue.

When sanity and balance prevail - and it will - this is going to seem as loopy as the Salem Witch Trials. It's all so extreme and so much critical thought has been abandoned. Freaks me out.

How did we allow ourselves, get to the point, that a man like Lia Thomas, can put on a woman's bathing suit, and be allowed compete in women's sports and can claim to be female? The inmates have been allowed take over the asylum, these mentally defective trans folk, should not be appeased in any way, and should be forcibly discouraged, rather than encouraged.

Lia would invite her teammates to speak freely with her, if she had any balls.... Oh, wait.

He wants to be a woman but still has his dick& balls; lets cut off his dick& balls give him a Vadge!

R11, the sad reality - at least as I see it - is that many gay men, who have made huge progress in acceptance and have been able to climb the career ladder, are still willing to run interference for the trans movement and are happy to back trans-identifying people when they claim that opposition to transgenderism is the modern equivalent of opposition to gay rights. That is hugely damaging to those who question the current transgender hegemony because the gay rights movement is seen by many (and quite right, too!) as having been vindicated, so people who aren't all that acquainted with the issues will say, "Well, if gay men [i.e. the inheritors of the gay rights' movement's legacy] are backing this, then it must be okay. I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of history, now, would I?"

That's part of the equation. Not the whole thing, by any means, just the one that I have observed up-close and personal as a gay man.

You're right, R16, but there are still more straights than gays. And, as in everything, when enough straight people get pissed off about something, something changes. There is a fundamental unfairness to aspects of trans objectives that defies common sense. It'll tip. Balance will be found.

Yes, I mentioned those that, R11. I think they were justified in making their initial protests anonymous.

But since then, at least one swimmer has anonymously shared statements Lia made about being the trans Jesse Owen, which sounds like locker room banter taken out of context and accused Lia and a Harvard FtM trans swimmer of colluding so that the Harvard swimmer would beat Lia. Now, Lia may have thrown a race and it may have been obvious, but accusing the swimmer who won of being part of it is inappropriate. How did the other swimmer fix the race? By going their fastest?

At this point, the anonymous comments would be in my head of the resume of one of the other U Penn swimmers crossed my desk. But I’d fight it because I wouldn’t know any individual’s part.and Liabis the bad guy here, not her teammates.

I hope so, R17. Of course I agree that, with straight people being in the majority, they bear the greatest societal responsibility for what's going on. It's just that, when straights lazily outsource their thinking on this matter to gays, I'm angered at our fellow gay men for using our experience to justify things with which I totally disagree. Just a personal gripe ;)

[quote]With all the inclusion orthodoxy dominating workplaces, and HR in particular, and with the Twitter mobs capable of scaring the profit pants off companies, it would just be career suicide to have your name associated with anything except toeing the line.

You'd also be attacked and ostracized by your fellow students, making the remainder of your college tenure terribly unpleasant.

R18, I don’t see how collusion between the two swimmers is hard to believe. There is a lot of collusion and match-fixing in sports; knowing that he or she does *not* have to kill themselves in order to win is always a benefit to an athlete.

Just because something is possible doesn’t make it Ok to make an accusation of it without proof or even credible evidence. If lia’s time was especially slow, that’s evidence of her blowing the race. But accusing the other swimmer, especially anonymously os not Ok.

How's he going to break his silence? Everyone already knows he thinks he's the Michael Jordan of beating girls at swimming.

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Reporters don't need to print everything they're told. There's some responsibility there too, though the notion is long forgotten in that admirable line of work.

This story is kind of fascinating to me.

It has an "emperor's new clothes" feel to it.

Inside Higher Ed's tweet on Thomas reads, "The dominance of Penn’s Lia Thomas has many decrying her success, though definitive research that might guide the conversation is lacking."

Evidence is not lacking. It’s right in front of our eyes. You need evidence to prove she DOESN’T have an advantage, not to prove she does.

I think many (probably all) of the people who think this is even debate-able have never participated in sports at a level above middle of the road HS athlete. If you’ve participated in a sport that involves significant training (several hours every day, for most of the year) you know men have advantages that are way too pronounced to be adequately mitigated by hormone therapies.

This is how we end up with women beating the crap out of men on TV and in the movies. It doesn’t matter of you are a CIA agent or marine with a black belt, if you are a 110 pound woman you are not overpowering a reasonably fit adult male in a street fight.

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Lia Thomas is a sociopath it comes with the tranny territory.

In the 1990's I worked on various projects with three MTF - all of whom were just trying to live their lives and get along. Today, all three are back to living and identifying as male.

R30 REAL mtf transsexuals are few. The movement mostly consists of straight fetishists and autogynephiles now. Hence why so many these days are identifying as trans. The numbers are inflated. Probably only 10 % are actually trans. The rest are mentally ill.

[quote]Yet they continue to give anonymous, and only anonymous, commentary to the press. Why?

For one thing, they were told by the school to keep their mouths shut. I assume that means if they spoke without anonymity, there would be repercussions from the school itself. Kicked out? Thrown off the team? Put on academic probation? Quite aside from their swimming, these girls are at an elite institution that they understandably don't want to have to leave, especially not in bad standing.

Also, if you've never seen the transtapo go after women who speak up, then you have no idea how bad it can really get. No one wants a nonstop barrage of rape threats and ugliness coming at them. It wouldn't just be online either, it would spill into offline life, as it has for most women who have challenged the insanity. Being harassed via phone, stalked, afraid to go places alone, etc. Nobody wants that.

One of the girls who spoke anonymously mentioned the team is not all of one mind on Thomas--some of them are woke types who are reluctant to criticize or think he should be allowed to swim with them. god knows why.

I thought that was a before and after photo of Lia at the OPs link and was thinking not a bad transformation but how did she de-age. Then I realized it was the coach.

There just needs to be a testosterone threshold that all must be under, or you don't get to compete. No junk either.

Swinging his dick in the women's shower. Talk about class.

[quote]There just needs to be a testosterone threshold that all must be under

That doesn't fix the advantage of being born with greater muscle mass, bigger lungs, etc and going through puberty as a male.

Straight white men rule the world, even when they decide to call themselves women.

You really are shown what the status of women in the United States is when a man can say, “I am a woman now” and women have to kowtow to him.

Makes sense that so many libs are enamored with Muslims and Islam, the ultimate male supremacy.

So what's the solution? I rarely wade into these topics because I have no skin in the game, so to speak; I was born male, am happy being male, and love everything that comes with being male, from my dick to my body hair to my muscles and strength to my male brain clearly influenced by the chemicals racing around in my body that are all part of having XY chromosomes. It's hard for me to imagine wanting to be female, and therefor, hard for me to imagine any male wanting to be female, but the compassionate/liberal in me wants them to be who they are and be happy, so I show them the respect they deserve and file it under "things I do not understand but nevertheless accept".

But then I also hold this contradictory thought in my head: I always wanted to be a professional baseball player, but have neither the physical characteristics (size and build) nor the skills and athletic ability required to play a sport professionally. Therefor, I gave up that dream and sought expertise in other areas that I do have the abilities required (and dated a lot of baseball players). Is it insulting to compare my desire to be a baseball player with that of a transgender woman? I certainly have the wardrobe and accouterments comparable, but obviously it's a pastime and nobody is going to criticize me for wearing a jersey and cap — nor will they ever confuse me with a professional athlete.

While I have aged and no longer capable of competing with high school boys, there was a time in my college years/20s in which I could have said I was a high school boy and tried out for and probably been placed on the baseball team. And I could have wiped up the floor with them... kind of like how Lia Thomas has wiped up the pool against her "competitors". I mean, there is a reason why we don't think college athletes should compete against high school athletes. If any serious sports journalist suggested that a professional baseball team should play a game against a college team for real, they would watch their career end in a matter of seconds. And yet there are college athletes with the skills, ability, bodies and brains to go head-to-head against a professional athlete and stand a real chance of victory. We still say no.

I know this is an analogy full of holes big enough to drive a car through, but I'm left with the same basic question: what is the solution?

Not only career suicide to speak out, but these girls could be tracked down by T loons and seriously harmed.

[quote] You gotta feel for the poor girls that trained for years, compete in good faith and fairness, and have to deal with this stupidity.

Maybe they should’ve trained harder. There’s always someone faster and better than you.

R40 You are victim blaming. Absolutely disugsting. The man in the frock is the problem here, not the poor girls trying to compete on equal terms.

R40, they could train themselves to death and they still couldn't beat Thomas. They can't defeat human biology. He's single-handedly destroying this sport for women, because they will never be able to beat the times of a biological male. The whole point of sports like swimming and running is to beat times. But that only works when everyone is operating at the same essential level.

R38, the solution is to accept science and stop demanding that women bear the lion's share of the burden of trans acceptance in order to appease a small percentage of mentally ill men. Mental illness needs real treatment, not cosplaying, mutilation and flooding the body with harmful hormones.

One father interviewed said, "You got Lia up on the blocks, taking a spot from a cisgender woman on the Olympic team. How do I tell my daughter 'that could be you one day'? You can’t. You can never be her. Yes, your daughter can still participate in athletics and reap a lot of the benefits of athletics, but she'll never be on the podium."

When all three spots on the podium are occupied by trans people, and they easily will be, something will have to change. China and Russia will be thrilled to joins the madness, since an average man will outpace a serious female contender in most sports.

Women's sports will by default become trans sports once the domination begins and sports organizations are finally turned inside out (sorry).

That said, tv ratings for women's sports would probably go up.

The recent story about him enjoying the discomfort of his teammates while he flashes them his cock in the locker room AND THEY ARE TOLD TO JUST DEAL WITH IT must have been the point where he said "uh oh, I might be looking bad here!"

That, plus I'm sure Sports Illustrated offered him $$$.

R39 lots of violent men in that movement.

[quote]The recent story about him enjoying the discomfort of his teammates while he flashes them his cock in the locker room

Link r44?

R46, the link's already been posted at R29.

The obvious first question should be:

"How do you feel about men participating in women's sports?"

[quote] I think many (probably all) of the people who think this is even debate-able have never participated in sports at a level above middle of the road HS athlete.

Exactly r28. Many journalists and commentators (aside from maybe sports journalists) have never been actually, physically involved in competitive sports, and have zero clue what it takes to be able to pull ahead of known competitors, meet after meet.

It’s really incredible, what's going on here, in broad daylight. The girls know what’s going on. The trans athletes know what’s going on, because they’re just cruising to victory. But nobody will say anything.

The obvious last question for SI should be,

When will you be scheduling your bottom surgery?

R11 my work is starting to have "diversity and inclusion training" and I'm sure it will boil down to something like: if you have 2 candidates interviewing for the same position who are equal in terms of experience, skills, and ability to do the job, and 1 is a woman and the other is a dude in a dress, you're supposed to pick the dude in the dress.

Should be interesting. And whoever mentioned the whole trans thing like like the Emperor's new clothes, you are exactly right! How long are we supposed to play along?

These cis women need to stop whining. They're pretty and they're in the Ivy League. Must they have everything?

This is why the future belongs to powerful autocracies. The Chinese aren't worried about being cancelled because they're too frightened that whingeing mentally ill people using gender change to solve all their emotional problems are going to call them names on Twitter.

Instead, they're keeping cultural cohesion, preparing for climate change, and are busily colonising large swaths of Africa, Eastern Europe with juicy bribes of technology and infrastructure projects, and trade routes in the South China Sea.

Did anyone else see the Sunday (NY) TIMES Magazine article about how Tussia is quietly using climate change to transform previously uninhabitable areas into livable and food producing areas?

Only places on the way down allow shit like the Lia Thomas affair to go unchallenged.

Places on the way up have better things to do with their time.

^*Russia (not Tussia)

I blame millionaires like Pritzker for making this our reality.

In the past, the goal was to have bottom surgery and be a real woman. The situation here is just ridiculous. The more elite the school, the more this stupidity is promoted.

[quote] How long are we supposed to play along?

r51 As long as people don't bother to speak up and protest in big scale? One shouldn't act surprised as if this is something new. It's been going on for so long with all the 'ally' clowns militantly going along with pronouns crap ("when he says he's a she, he must absolutely be treated as a she!") & "Trans Women are Women". No, it's not evil cis het men pretending to be poor trans. It's exactly what those trans/LGBTQ+ activists have pushed for with those slogans.

[quote] The more elite the school, the more this stupidity is promoted.

r56 The same goes for workplaces.

I know I'm going to hell for this, but when the other trans person beat Lia, I immediately thought collusion. I thought Lia lost on purpose to prove some kind of point because of the bad press.

[Austin Powers voice]

“I’m a MAN, BABY, yeah!”

*dives into pool*

R59, what, Lia cheat? You can’t be serious.

But sorry to say, technically Lia has not “cheated” in the sense of violating the idiotic rules that permit males to compete in women's competitions based on testosterone levels. Lia has simply cheated by being a 20-year-old male racing against college-aged women.

Ray Blanchard - the man who proposed that there were two types of transsexual, homosexual and autogynephilic - has suggested that the very high levels of exhibitionism seen in autogynephiles may explain their obsession with playing women's sports, despite the negative coverage they get for doing so.

Play this out long-term: if this stands and goes unchallenged and allowed, will it not encourage other men who don't stand a chance against biological males in sports to do the same so that they can be winners instead of losers? If that trend continues along its logical trajectory, the day will come when biological females in sports like this will have to have their "own" teams, because they have no chance against transwomen who have waited past puberty to "ID" themselves as women and transition, but not so far that they lose their biological male advantage.

So, inevitably, the path will lead yet again to segregated arenas, in which trans women are labelled as such rather than as "real" women and defeat their purpose: being treated as if they ARE real women, because the real women will have to have separate contests.

It beggars description that the liberal left isn't challenging this, but will, of course, be up in arms when the Republicans take back Congress, utterly unable to connect the dots between the quiet fury of the electorate watching shit like this, and voting in protest of what they correctly see as the liberal left's support for this bullshit.

[quote]I blame millionaires like Pritzker for making this our reality.

Pritzker and his ilk are just a few of the myriad riders on the "trans" juggernaut that includes media, education, government and professions. To say nothing of those who, willlingly or not, jump on to the juggernaut, provide support, by incorporating "transpeak" into their public content. Such as R7's "Schuyler Bailar was recruited as a female by Harvard, then transitioned to male . . ." Bailar didn't "transition" into anything. She is and will always be female. Or R42's R63's "biological male" reference. Males exist. "Biological males" don't.

Pritzker is a billionaire, I believe, hence he has all the money in the world to spend on erasing women from sports.

Pritzker does not control government, the media, education or business, all of whom are united and vociferous in erasing women from sports.

R53 the future is not autocracies. The trans movement IS autocracy. It's exactly like China's autocratic government - tell people up is down, left is right, and punish them if they object. You may fantasize about China keeping the trans movement away from their shores, but it's just a different flavor of the same thing. I'm not sure why you are lionizing it.

The trans movement is a result of over-comfortable, bored, self-centered people, who have shifted focus away from "we" to "I". It's mass narcissism, in other words. Not even bringing the misogynistic aspects into it.

And no one is saying that climate change can't have some localized good effects - certain areas on the planet, like Siberia, become more human-inhabitible. But at the cost of making equally larger areas uninhabitable, causing mass extinctions, reducing the available landmass, etc.

Russia and China are also doing what they are doing with foreign nations as a way of gaining control over them, not out of the goodness of their hearts. Sure, the US has done similar things for a long time, but the difference is democracy versus autocracy. They're promoting autocracy, which is deadly to democracy.

Your reasoning is faulty.

[quote] The recent story about him enjoying the discomfort of his teammates while he flashes them his cock in the locker room AND THEY ARE TOLD TO JUST DEAL WITH IT

How big is his cock that they all notice it? Is he very well hung? And they should be so lucky to see his cock. He is so cute. Why are they complaining?

Both Washington Post and NYTimes have reported on the story. Unsurprisingly, only the WashPo kept comments open.

Anyway, one of them reads:

[quote]If the situation were reversed — if transitioning women athletes were somehow wreaking havoc in men's sports — there'd be rules set up, pronto.

R57 I agree but don't think anyone will protest on the big scale. Now we're supposed to be all "woke" and "accommodating" and it's getting ridiculous.

What if I came into work and said I "identify" as a corned beef sandwich? They would think I am mentally ill instead of stunning and brave but it's OK when a dude in a dress says he's a woman because no one wants to hurt anyone's feelings.

R68 are you serious? If that happened anywhere else he'd be arrested for indecent exposure.

I thought that transwomen don't even like to acknowledge their cocks and pretend they don't even exist. And this guy is just flopping his around? Are we sure about this claim?

R72 he's an autogynephile. He doesn't have gender dysphoria, he gets off on invading women's spaces. The way he does this is by dressing up barely as a woman and taking advantage of the ridiculousness of the trans movement.

The autogynephiles are the largest part of the new trans movement, taken full advantage of the twisted logic to cement themselves in the center of it. Gender dysphorics and autogynephiles and the others.

R72 You're thinking about "old school" transsexuals, not the new "I'm a woman/man just because I say I am, and you'd better accept it or there will be hell to pay" variety.

New Trans don't require gender dysphoria to be trans. They don't have to actually transition in any way. They don't have to make any effort to look like the gender they are claiming to be. A trans woman can have male-pattern baldness (BTW, how long before that diagnosis is discarded as "transphobic"?), a hairy chest, back and asshole, a 10-inch schlong, no tits, full beard, shoulders like The Rock, it doesn't matter. It's nobody's business to tell them how they should look or dress. Just like Jesus is Lord, trans women are women.

Nowhere in the daily mail article does it say that Lia is flaunting herself or shaking her dick at people in the locker room. The anonymous source say she doesn’t ALWAYS cover up and they’ve caught a “glimpse.”

Lying about the situation doesn’t help anything. So if you care about a fair playing field for the other women, stop making shit up. If those who are sympathetic to the other female swimmers just make shit up, why should anyone listen to that side of the argument? What’s the difference between making up that crap and making up a bull shit story that testosterone suppression makes it appropriate for a man to compete again women? If anything, the lying is worse. Because there are people who are just too stupid to realize Lia competing is unfair, but they aren’t necessarily intentionally lying.

Lia in the women’s locker room is potentially problematic, but probably not as problematic as Lia (and other MTF transsexuals who actually have a shot at passing) in the men’s locker room. And the anonymous source complaining about it sounds a little homophobic when she points out that Lia is attracted to women. Does she have a problem with lesbians in the locker room?

I always chuckle at people who know what's best for the locker rooms of the opposite sex.

R70, I enthusiastically support your corned beef sandwich identity. I hope you aren't going to get all obnoxious when I take a bite out of you.

Be cool, R70. I love corned beef sandwiches.

[quote]And the anonymous source complaining about it sounds a little homophobic when she points out that Lia is attracted to women.

What do you mean, R75, has the word [italic]homophobic[/italic] been redefined to mean dislike or discomfort with the opposite sex?

“War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery,” R78.

R78, what I mean is that if she has an objection to Lia being allowed in the women’s locker room and her objection is based on Lia’s attraction to women (otherwise why mention that aspect?), then she might presumably have an objection to lesbians in the women’s locker room. And I would consider than homophobic.

R80, you are misrepresenting what the quotes say, Lia's teammate objects to having a straight guy in the women's locker room, to make matters worse, Lia only covers up sometimes.

This is what the article says:

[quote]'[bold]It's definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still attracted to women[/bold],' one swimmer on the team told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview. Lia has told her teammates that she dates women. While [bold]Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes[/bold], there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts.

We are interpreting the intent of an anonymous source differently. I may be misinterpreting it, or you may be misinterpreting it.

I'm taking what she said literally: she says it's awkward having a heterosexual male in the locker room and that he only covers himself sometimes.

For fucks sake R80, women don't like fetishists/cross dressers shaking their dick and balls in front of them.

Hope this helps you understand this "potentially" problematic situation.

JFC, a stealth autogyne.

Again, Lia isn’t shaking her dick and balls in front of them. At least that hasn’t been reported. They’ve caught a glimpse. And I’m a woman, btw.

If you have a penis and balls you r genetically a man.

All the surgery/hormones in the world will not change your genetics.

This is so unfair to women but if they remain silent and allow this to continue, it's on them.

So they don't get to say for themselves? Wow.

Gross

[quote]I and other clinicians have noted an element of exhibitionism in many (although not all) cases of autogynephilia. I think this is one reason why some natal male gender dysphorics insist on participating in women's competitive sports.

"Lia in the women’s locker room is potentially problematic, but probably not as problematic as Lia (and other MTF transsexuals who actually have a shot at passing) in the men’s locker room. And the anonymous source complaining about it sounds a little homophobic when she points out that Lia is attracted to women. Does she have a problem with lesbians in the locker room?"

A. Women are the ones who get to decide what is problematic in their spaces, and they have decided that this is problematic. B. Lia does not "have a shot" at passing. C. This story has absolutely nothing to do with lesbians, who unlike Lia are female and therefore belong in female spaces.

[quote]This is so unfair to women but if they remain silent and allow this to continue, it's on them.

So you just want mass lady cancelling? Who in the heck, who wants to keep their lives hassle free and who is not a karen, is going to say something on the record about this?

She absolutely 'threw' that race. Her fastest 200 this year is 1:41.93 - which is the fastest in the country. That averages to 2x100's under 51 seconds. She swam the 100 at 52.87. That's far too slow if you have enough speed to go 1:41. She probably could go 48.

This whole thing is ridiculous. She can participate, but receive no medals or placing.

The simple answer - trans get their own records. This shit doesn't seem to be stopping any soon, so there's a third way. If you just look at her testosterone levels, they'll still be 3x as that of a biological female. Testosterone repressing drugs doesn't eliminate all of it - it just reduces them.

But trans won't want 'separate' - it fucks with their beliefs that they are the other gender.

Trans is the BIG LIE of the left.

Everyone is afraid to speak up, just like the republicans are afraid to speak up against Trump.

[quote]I do not understand how a small group of people have managed to dominate and frankly terrify pretty much everybody and everything. It's like nothing I've ever seen and it's fraught with perils well beyond the issue.

That small group is made up mostly of white straight males. This is the deference that white straight men get in society. A lot of you might not recognize it because you have benefitted in many ways from this deference due to passing, in many situations, as white straight males.

The reason you've never seen anything like this before is because this is the first time that white straight males have been able to position themselves as a minority. This is how the world kowtows to white straight males with a sex fetish that harms women. Not surprising in the least that they've gotten so far, so quickly.

[quote]if they remain silent and allow this to continue, it's on them.

[quote]Everyone is afraid to speak up, just like the republicans are afraid to speak up against Trump.

Biology is a transphobic hate crime and referencing it can land you in jail.

R75 not sure what you're on about.

The comments aren't homophobic because Lia Thomas is not gay. He is a straight man. And regardless, women have the right not to have men in their changing rooms, even if he were gay.

This is the pertinent part of the DM article:

"'It's definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still attracted to women,' one swimmer on the team told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview.

Lia has told her teammates that she dates women.

While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts.

She stated that team members have raised their concern with the coach, trying to get Thomas ousted from the female locker room, but got nowhere."

So no. No one was "lying" about what was happening. It's right there.

R95 enough about"white straight males". I cannot describe to you how sick everyone is about EVERYTHING being made about race. Give it a rest.

I don't understand why "doping" is not allowed but this is.

Yes, I know he's not *taking* testosterone so I guess that's the loophole. Nonetheless we know excess testosterone is banned from women' sports

Yeah leave homosexuals and the terms homophobia out of this Lia situation.

This has absolutely nothing to do with gay men.

Trans cult always brings up lesbians and homophobia (both have nothing to do with situations like this or Wi Spa or all the other trans cult lunacy), in an attempt to shift the attention from the real problem.

Sex segregated, women-/female-only spaces: People know what to expect in advance. They feel ok, natural or comfortable among their own with the same female bodies, regardless of sexuality.

There, women feel unsafe and uncomfortable with men, male-bodied people who don't belong to begin with. Gay men, men whose sexualities are unknown, whatever trans-spectrum-identified males too along with known heterosexual men - all with male bodies.

I'm a woman who played sports in HS. Lesbians were teammates of mine (im straight) and of course there's no issue.

Men of any size are a threat to women, particularly in a vulnerable situation like a changing room.

Trans swimmers ARE swimmers!

OP- That coach is good looking.

Cutting off one's penis doesn't make you a woman.

Leaving it on doesn't either.

Men are not women, only women are.

R104 I became a woman back in time the second I realized I was a woman! I've always been a woman! Now, ease enjoy my ladydique. Oh, it makes you uncomfortable? TERF!!!!

Genuine qu: in pictures of Thomas in a swimming costume, there's no bulge. So how does Thomas do that?

R106 either small cock / grower / doesn't have an erection at the time, or tucking (have you seen Drag Race, they give primers on it).

Also:

[quote]Lia in the women’s locker room is potentially problematic, but probably not as problematic as Lia (and other MTF transsexuals who actually have a shot at passing) in the men’s locker room.

Why are the trans allowed to be afraid of or made uncomfortable by men, but bio women aren't allowed the same? Why do women have to pay the price for the transfolk's fear of men?

[quote]enough about"white straight males". I cannot describe to you how sick everyone is about EVERYTHING being made about race.

Too bad, hon. The entire world has been engineered to serve white straight males, and the rest are struggling against their stranglehold on power and society. if you don't want to hear about it anymore, do something to help fix it.

"... her silence..." - no. Just no. It was a mistake to ever play pretend in the first place.

[quote] It was a mistake to ever play pretend in the first place.

Those who played along (and mass pressured others) in the first place are very part of the problem, when those who opposed this play pretend (and got demonised as -phobic, bigot, scum rightwing, fascist, Nazi, etc.) could only see this very natural outcome.

It's a scientific fact that the male penis acts as a rudder giving men an advantage in the sport of competitive swimming. Boobs act as buoys.

[quote]The entire world has been engineered to serve white straight males, and the rest are struggling against their stranglehold on power and society.

Except of course the huge parts of the world that aren't. You can't see this of course, because you are hugely racist.

Lia has no boobs.

If he's on estrogen, he will get little fatty boobs at some point. I'm wondering if he's even on hormone treatment.

I'd love to see a study of what trans people name themselves vs. what non-trans people name their kids. 'Lia'? I can't say I know of anyone called that.

The fact that that swimmer said that if you looked at Thomas's time, she wasn't trying when she lost a race to a FtM trans swimmer whom she'd been talking to before the race.. (If you know swimming, you'll know that times say everything). Thomas was willing to screw over her team-mates.

R115, I find it bizarre when they give themselves middle names (sometimes more than one), the same way parents do to a baby. I understand that they feel the need for an opposite-sex name for when they're out in public but that still doesn't explain why erstwhile "male feminist" Charles Clymer is now calling himself "Charlotte Anora Elizabeth Clymer". Anora?!

It means "I found this name and liked it too, but I've already branded my first name so I will just add it to my list of girlie middle names! 🥰🥰🥰"

They will never be happy. Once you start changing things like that, there's always something better that comes along. You can bet that she now regrets picking "Charlotte".

Poor oppressed white man at R112. When will all those people of color let him RISE?!

R115 the final “r” is silent.

Cheers to R120!

I see pain. I see the pain.

R115 It's because his name is William, he just took off some letters.