Howard Stern Says Hospitals Should Ban the Unvaccinated: ‘Go Home and Die’

He's right.

Can’t argue with him on this.

Absolutely. Drunk drivers who get into accidents should also get the boot.

Irrelevant radio host tries to stay relevant... anyone listen to radio anymore?

Obviously, someone is R4 if they're making a thread about him, quoting and article written about him.

I work in a hospital as a clinician and can't agree less with him. Or they should not rely on insurance to cover their hospital stay.

R4 I guess,, but now he's doing "serious" interviews....no more Lesbian Dating Game, Homeless Jeopardy or blackface as in the pic below.

Still ugly as sin.

Is he still doing his show from Martha's Vineyard?

As should the obese, R3. Let them go home and exercise before they start straining MY healthcare.

[quote]I work in a hospital as a clinician and can't agree less with him. Or they should not rely on insurance to cover their hospital stay.

Oh, dear....perhaps you want to rephrase your post?

You can't do it logistically, there are a few (not many, but a few) people who can't take the vaccine so you'd have to start care for a patient, then check if they were vaxxed or not. By the time you found out they weren't, you'd have to take them off their vents or what have you and send them home. That would open up hospitals to massive litigation and, quite honestly, go against what doctors are taught to do, i.e. the Hippocratic Oath.

I know Dataloungers are fascists who want to dole out every single little tiny benefit available to humans to only those they personally feel deserve it, but both morally and logistically, it can't be done.

Why you continue with the childish fantasies of being the arbiter of who lives and who dies is beyond me. Stern does it because he earns money from your attention. You don't get anything out of it.

The problem with statements like this is that it can very quickly turn around.

Why should ugly people like Stern get medical treatment? They’re ugly. They should not be allowed to have sex or procreate. We shouldn’t have to prolong the lives of ugly people. Their inferior genes should be stamped out completely.

We should ask Dolph Lundgren what he thinks. He received a Fulbright scholarship.

R12 I’d say it’s less fascist, more advocating that they continue to pursue their anti-intervention approach to healthcare. Continue to not do what is possible to do when faced with a health crisis and go home.

[QUOTE] Why you continue with the childish fantasies of being the arbiter of who lives and who dies is beyond me.

You mean like our healthcare system which denies access to and kills millions of Americans every year, R12?

I wish the main actors behind the anti-vaxx movement could be charged with crimes against humanity.

I'm not being hyperbolic, either.

Ignorance masquerading as inside information and expertise. Welcome to the 21st century.

What’s Howard’s hair situation? At a minimum he’s dyeing it, but in the picture at OP it looks like a wig.

R12 babbles about fascism etc but probably doesn't mind anti vaxxers attacking docs and nurses trying to save lives.

R19 he's been wearing obviously fake hair for years even though he denies it.

He needs to grow his hair longer....looks horrible at this length.

This is regarding the unvaccinated taxing the hospitals and the healthcare system beyond their capacity to function, which results in the rest of the vaccinated population unable able to get proper medical care, often resulting in unnecessary deaths. If someone has a heart attack and goes to the hospital and can't get treated in a timely or appropriate manner due to unvaccinated patients, why should they end up dying instead of those who refuse common sense prevention? If you believe COVID19 is a hoax or think it is not serious enough and you can tolerate and symptoms, then yes, stay the fuck home and deal with it yourself. If you die, then you die.

Back off, r16. I just got over Omicron that I got from my partner's anti-vax anti-mask coworker, who had memes all over his Facebook saying things like "If me not wearing a mask is killing you, then why aren't you dead yet?"

He's dead. I'm not. He was in the hospital from the 7th to the 15th in the overcrowded ICU. His family relied on his salaryHe almost surely gave COVID to a bunch of people at work.

And the hospital STILL didn't have any moral or legal right to kick him out of the ICU.

You're mistaking your childish philosophy about what's fair and what isn't with the law and medical ethics. Yeah, this guy was a fucking asshole, but we don't take fucking assholes off a ventilator, have some orderlies throw their bodies into the trunk of a family member's car, and tell them to deal with it.

*His family relied on his salary and now have neither income nor prospects.

[quote] my partner's anti-vax anti-mask coworker, who had memes all over his Facebook saying things like "If me not wearing a mask is killing you, then why aren't you dead yet?" He's dead.

Good.

he's correct!

Yes blame the patients R23, not the poor hospitals who can't possibly figure out how to meet even slightly increased demands.

Same with people who smoke, drink, take drugs or drive recklessly. Let them all die. It's their choice.

Not sure whether or not you're being willfully obtuse. It's not a slight increase . No hospitals are equipped to manage 300-500 percent of their normal amount of critical care patients, which is what can and has happened during the COVID-19 spikes. They don't have the space, the beds, the staff, or even the medicine.

The trouble there is the Hippocratic Oath, Howard.

[quote] even slightly increased demands

Hey R28, why don't you catch Covid and fuck off to one of these hospitals with their "even slightly increased demands" and just croak.

I think anti-vaxxers are trash, but if we started withholding medical care based on bad character or bad personal decisions, millions more people would die every year. And I don’t want to roll the dice and gamble that if I hit the ER, the doctor I get will view me as a worthy person or not.

the difference is for some of you who have posted, is when someone's individual choice AFFECTS OTHERS and makes others sick and/or die...

some of you have posted rather poor analogies....

Drinking and smoking aren't contagious, r29.

Dig deeeeeeeep into Trumps asshole in your search for food. Lap up every morsal, r28.

The Howard Stern subreddit imploded after this.

R16, can you name ten of the millions of people our healthcare system denied care to and killed last year? Or one?

Slippery slope, my friends. Be careful what you wish for.

How does the Hippocratic Oath apply, r31?

As R29 said, would the same be applied to heavy smoker who gets the lung cancer, obese people with infarcts, gays who fuck strangers they meet on Grindr without protection and get Aids? Do you want to be consistent sociopath?

Hi anti vax cunt from some South Slavic shithole country @ R41.

I don't think r41's position is inherently anti-vaxx, r42

R43 so you obviously haven't read his weird ramblings in the Djokovic threads.

I didn't know that r44

R43 No, my position is not anti vaxx, but you can see that the Nazi position of the poster at R42-"South Slavic shithole country"-Hitler couldn't have put it better.

I agree with him. What I'm waiting for is the moment when health insurance companies start raising premiums for the unvaxxed.

Hahahahaha, I see you're still WWing your own posts. And the Hitler obsession is back, too.

Btw, how's the Ustasa these days, hun?

R47 not getting the vaccine: your body, your choice.

When it comes to deliberately not getting the vaccine out of being a selfish jerk-wad, resulting in premiums getting raised: Your body, your choice; your money, your choice.

Simple as that.

Good old racism in US.

[quote]As [R29] said, would the same be applied to heavy smoker who gets the lung cancer, obese people with infarcts, gays who fuck strangers they meet on Grindr without protection and get Aids? Do you want to be consistent sociopath?

Except R41 Smokers and AIDS patients aren't suddenly overwhelming hospitals, occupying emergency beds and effectively denying care to cancer patients, stroke, heart attack victims, car accident and gun shot victims.

r34 anyone can catch and spread Covid. It's not about affecting others. It's about taking up valuable ICU beds. The unvaccinated are more likely to get seriously sick and take an ICU bed. Thats the ONLY issue right now. But really anyone who does this for the wrong, selfish reasons, criminals like drunk drivers or drug users should be allowed to die by the same logic.

That’s okay R50. That’s okay!

Why is it racism when afroamericans are being offered but refuse to get the vaccine? WTF?

Because the diseased trash trolls think that race trumps all topics.

They think this because they’re bigots.

Still waiting to hear the relevance of the Hippocratic Oath

But this is reality.

Does Howard Stern (and DLers who agree with him) want to ban black people?

I do^.

go home and doy!

If they’re not vaccinated, fuck em. I see the double-standard. In people’s minds, the anti-vax are white and only white. That’s not the case, but hard-left extremists here will defend anti-vax blacks.

Anti-vax blax.

Who cares what their skin color is? A lot of bigots are putting words into other people’s mouths.

Whatever your skin color, if you are unvaxxed at this point, you are diseased trash.

R62, that is the funniest thing I've read in days. Thank you.

My husband talks about raising the insurance premiums for the unvaxxed. That seems like it would be fair. Not getting your Covid vaccination is just suck and anti-social thing to do. It's just sucky as hell.

As for the above mentioned anti-vaxx blax, they're just being stupid. I don't believe that many of them don't trust the government. I think they're saying that because it sounds cool. They're really just like everyone else who is anti-vaxx. Either they're into conspirices (how the hell do you spell that?), lazy, or terrified of needles. They're not cooler than the rest of the nuts, they're exactly the same!

Who is the stinkfish from LSA who brought up the race issue into this thread?

Fuck off.

Several of my black, college educated, liberal coworkers were scared/skeptical of the vaccines. They all got them, but seemed more skittish about it. I’m not sure why that is—I’m just glad they got the shots!

[quote]The trouble there is the Hippocratic Oath, Howard.

Eh, who cares? Just like the Oath of Office, it's meaningless.

R35 They take up ICU beds when they don't have to. Same difference.

Black people are less likely to trust the authorities on medicine for some reason. Can't imagine why.

🙄 ^^ That’s bullshit.

And Jews have no problem getting vaccinated.

R69 aka race-obsessed fuckwit, do you really expect anybody in here to read all that?

Hahahahahahahahaha

I think it’s a wig.

The Hippocratic Oath may not matter in a fantasy world in which hospitals are turning patients aways based on vaccine status. In the real world, if they're in the hospital, they get the same care as any other patient.

There's also a lot of confusion about the Hippocratic Oath. I don't know of any medical school that uses the original, which involves swearing to gods and goddesses that the oath-taker won't fuck patients (both female and male, free or slaves), or perform abortions or euthanasia (perhaps in that particular order; perhaps not).

The Louis Lasagna version from the 1960s is the most commonly used by medical schools still going that route, but it's slightly dated and some schools have allowed students to revise it. Other schools come up with their own. Mine used its own affirmation, which includes the following:

[quote]I will treat any who need my ministrations, without regard to religion, nationality, race, politics, sexual orientation, or social standing; I will approach each patient with charity, attention, and commitment; I will hold all life dear, and let knowledge, wisdom, courage, and compassion guide my therapy;

There isn't a lot of leeway in that, is there? In any case, the AMA's Principles of Medical Ethics are as close as it gets to the final word:

[quote]A physician shall, while caring for a patient, regard responsibility to the patient as paramount. A physician shall support access to medical care for all people.

[quote] the original, which involves swearing to gods and goddesses that the oath-taker won't fuck patients

Oh no! :-(

[quote] "I think it’s a wig."

It's probably two or three wigs, R72. I came here to comment on this. So, Stern has a look. But if this is all the effort he's going to out into preserving it, he needs to stop. Whatever he has (or doesn't have) under there can't be as bad as the wig(s).

Anti-vaxx'ers are the scum of the Earth. Selfish pieces of shit. They should be left to die a lonely, painful, miserable death.

^On the sidewalk, in front of the emergency room.

R74 casually typed that while getting pounded on the Omicron of the Seas.

The amount of obese, sickly Americunts that are too scared to get a needle in their arm but will gladly chow down on their 6 packs of cigs + beer combo is staggering. Let the losers take themselves out of the equation so the rest of us can get back to business.

I’ve spent the last week listening to faulty logic from a virtual shut-in about why she won’t get a booster. It’s gone from the shots changing DNA to Joe Rogan’s views.

It’s insanity. There should be insane asylums solely for vaccine conspiracists.

These people refuse to vaccine because its dangerous. But when they arrive in the ER, they are willing to be pumped full of whatever drugs the doctor suggests.

R13, being a science denier who doesn’t believe in vaccines, endangers the lives of others but still wants to be first in line when it comes to receiving medical care for severe Covid complications that could have been prevented, is absolutely not the same thing as being physically unattractive.

Hospitals are not turning people away because some ugly person gets undeserved preferred treatment.

R81, from what I’ve read on Reddit, no, they don’t go to the hospital and obediently accept whatever treatment they’re given. They spit on nurses, punch them, kick them, scream, cough in their faces, sometimes physically backing them into a corner, demand ivermectin, refuse anything else, and their relatives come to the hospital maskless and cough all over the ICU. They *beat* the staff, they don’t just complain. Violently attack them. Some hospitals now have signs at the door saying if they attack staff, they will be thrown out. The nurses say it’s all theatre, they never throw them out and the nurses live in fear. A lot are quitting because they are scared of these violent Q idiots. They insist all nurses are trying to kill them, all medicines but ivermectin are poison, and some have sued the hospitals demanding ivermectin. Others have family smuggle ivermectin into the hospital and give them huge doses with no concern for the dosage. Others are mixing up fake “ivermectin” at home from online recipes. Many are convinced the vent is what’s killing the patients, not Covid. They say the staff are all murderers executing them.

Go look up r/nursing on Reddit. Quite an eye-opener. These people are violent trash, their relatives refuse to believe they even have Covid or are going to die, and insist Covid doesn’t exist and the nurses are lying. One nurse described an unvaccinated Q-Frau who decided her husband had mild illness while he was in a bed in the hospital getting worse by the minute. He could hardly breathe with great effort, and the nurse knew how this was going to go. The nurse finally had to talk her into getting to a laptop and saying her goodbyes because he was about to go on a vent any minute. Then the frau brings a couple of tiny kids to the computer and tells them to say they love Daddy. They had no idea how sick he was, Q-Frau was in complete denial. Daddy couldn’t even talk to them by then, he couldn’t get enough air. The nurse told the kids, Daddy is saying he loves you, you just can’t hear because of the machine. But he couldn’t speak at all. He died right after that call, and now Q-Frau has two small kids, one a toddler, to raise alone. And she’s probably unvaxxed too, so maybe they’re orphans by now.

No, this is not exactly like someone being a smoker or fat. Have you ever heard of a huge horde of smokers or fat people overrunning every hospital in America at the same time, screaming and beating nurses and refusing all treatment, but somehow showing up at the hospital anyway? Why are those people even there? They don’t want help, they want to terrorize the staff.

Meanwhile, the CDC opened the door for nurses to work sick, so some hospitals are demanding nurses come in with active, symptomatic Covid, and then go treat cancer patients or preemies. They threaten to fire them if they don’t come in. There is no such thing as sick days now in some hospitals. Others insist on nurses coming in after five days with Covid, well or sick. Nurses are quitting everywhere.

You first, imbecile covidiot asshole!! I hope you catch covid and die!!

[R23] sieg heil!!

[R24] I hope you die from the omicron in a hell of pain! nazi!!

I’ve got an idea. All those medical workers who quit because their hospitals mandated a vaccine. They need to open their own hospital which only accepts unvaxxed patients! Dose them with ivermectin, peroxide, urine, whatever they’re hearing online.

WIN-WIN

Why the fuck would he care? It’s not as though he goes to hospitals or even a doctors office. He has the best care money can buy, doctors who make house calls and IF he needed hospital treatment, it would be at a private hospital that very few could afford. He’s a vapid douche, who is drinking his own kool-aid.

what a cesspit of nazi perverts!! I hope that besides covid, you all get cancer in the ass and die, whaling and shrieking till your last breath.

[R87] why don't you shove the ivermectin, peroxide, urine, etc, up your ass? maybe it will cure your assholery.

R65, is a racist women hater queen !

R89, unhinged autistic

[quote]what a cesspit of nazi perverts!! I hope that besides covid, you all get cancer in the ass and die, whaling and shrieking till your last breath.

Probably from that Howard Stern subreddit. That’s how that place is.

I don't want to repeat my post from an earlier thread, R83, but I'm in a liberal, highly vaccinated area and even I've seen a lot of that. There's just no escaping. When they overrun their local hospitals or need ECMO they're shipped out to places that took COVID seriously and have the empty beds to show for it.

Personally, I've been slapped and punched by patients' female family members; I guess because they knew I wasn't going to hit them back. Men mostly just make threats. My favorite was the guy who promised to follow me home, stake out my house, and rape my wife or girlfriend when I left for work. If only he knew how off-base he was with that one.

The worst was a tiny nurse who was kicked in the neck by a patient. She's had three spinal surgeries in the space of six months and she's never going to be the same. To add insult to injury, it happened during one of the PRN shifts she picked up, in addition to her regular full-time job, to help support her family in the Philippines. She didn't even have to be there.

Why should I not receive medical care because some Trump loving POS, who probably spent the past 2 years posting anti vaccine propaganda on FB and calls Covid a hoax, suddenly decides that he doesn’t want to die after all? I fully expect you to follow through with your Covid denial. Stay home and drink all the piss it takes until your last breath. But don’t take a hospital bed from someone who deserves it more than you.

Hospitals triage all the time. No Covid vaccine should just be added to their triage protocols and move you to the bottom of the list.

These anti vax loons have affected the future of every child and college student in the U.S. I agree with Howard.

Ban the unvaccinated...and Trump. Yeah, I know he's vaccinated. Just let him die.

I know that blacks have been treated terribly forever. I know that systemic racism is real. I believe in affirmative action, although it is very complex. However, blacks need to suck it up and get vaccinated. I am part of the most oppressed group in the history of the world (women). Yes, it is easier to be a white woman than to be a black anybody, but women have always been oppressed. I keep going. I do what is right for MYSELF, and for others. At some point, blacks need to stop trying to make a point or whatever and get vaccinated.

Anyone who is unvaccinated and who goes to a hospital for care should automatically be vaccinated before services are provided.

I have two older sisters who've become firmly entrenched in the anti-vaxxer mindset. It's like witnessing a live Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as I used to look up to both of them. Now it's cognitive impairment in fast motion. The most vehement one is like a gargoyle spewing all of the talking points and not realizing how utterly insane she sounds. This is a particularly disturbing version of dystopia. What's a brother to do?

So, just so I’m clear, Howard and his fans trolling here in agreement support refusal of care for AIDS patients who didn’t use protection, refusal of care for black people involved in shootings because they’re poor and desperate and bought guns or chose to live in bad neighborhoods, refusal of abortion services/care when the woman failed to take precautions…..?

Okay. Let’s go for it! Can’t wait to see how it plays out. (P.S. - Howard Stern is a racist Jew, a homophobe, a classist and has his own dedicated suite waiting for him in hell. Can’t wait till he gets there.)

Anti-semite (and all around idiot) alert above, F&F

R99 The trouble with your idea (though it sounds like a fair trade off many of them would be willing to make at that point) is that it is not advised to provide vaccination when one is feeling unwell, running a fever, or known to be infected with a virus. I'm willing to bet the US may differ on when to vaccinate post-Covid, but in the UK, and most of the EU all are advised to wait three months, or ninety days after infection. This applies for the boosters as well.

The stories of the violent patients are gruesome for sure. Aside from them, we still should at least strive to be compassionate. I understand this is a highly unpopular hill to perch myself on, but it makes me sad for our collective humanity to proceed otherwise.

It's very natural to be angry, and it's fair to suggest they be fined. Whether that entails no insurance coverage for unvaccinated, and they must pay outright for hospitalisation, or the increase in insurance premiums suggested upthread. To wish to deny care is a revenge fantasy, as we humans enjoy having someone to blame, or it makes the craziness of Covid a little more tolerable to have a scapegoat somehow in these unvaccinated patients.

What I have taken from some philosophical and spiritual discussions is this line of thought creates two distinct classes of people, and many do not hesitate to dehumanise and devalue these individuals. It then allows for society to to do terrible things to them as a group, or it allows terrible things to happen to them all as a group. It leads to a very dystopian failing of our humanity. What sort of dark future would we be creating if we seriously allowed for the blanket denial of care?

We must remember especially with this current wave of Omicron, that the vaccinated can still spread the virus. Unless a sterilising vaccine is produced, we are not vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. We mustn't confuse our feelings of frustration, anger, and helplessness in the face of that reality with our anger at unvaccinated taking up the ICU beds. I think the anger from both aspects is blurring the lines. We can have our fantasy here, let's just not let it become our reality.

Being subjected to abuse during childhood entails a markedly increased risk of developing obesity as an adult. Should someone seek mental health assistance for their trauma & depression, the medication prescribed can have serious effects on body weight. So toss these people out & tell them to exercise?

R103 in other words, you defend unvaxxed Q loons who are attacking docs and nurses.

Fuck off with your "philosophical and spiritual discussions".

[quote] Irrelevant radio host tries to stay relevant... anyone listen to radio anymore?

Satellite radio? Yes. Most people do.

R103 The distinction between the vaccinated spreading the virus is that they tend to have a smaller viral load , where are the unvaccinated usually carry a significantly higher viral load, which is more contagious and can transmit more infections.

Those who chose the experimental injections incubated the new variant and spread it across the globe. They have the same viral load, yet don't quarantine when they are sick because symptoms are masked, making them Super Spreaders. This is why rising vax rates = rising cases.

R07 My understanding of the seven or eight studies I've read have concluded that [italic] over time the vaccinated become less infectious, because they clear and shed virus more quickly. [/italic]

Early at the start of a symptomatic infection, most subjects studied have had similar viral loads. Several newer studies, which haven't yet been peer reviewed make the claim you're stating. here that vaccinated have lower loads regardless. Are the subjects in the studies you're referring to asymptomatic, but positive for Covid? Those would indeed be presumed to involve lower viral loads in the pharynx.

Amongst Delta breakthrough infections (symptomatic) several studies found nearly identical viral loads in the pharynx.

Omicron may be different; and I'd be most curious as to the parameters of these studies... whether the subjects have been triple jabbed to qualify as fully-vaccinated. Perhaps such a marked difference is noticeable now, so soon after a booster

Nevertheless, if the studies do point up that clear a difference, it only strengthens my resolve to suggest the fines as a deterrent for remaining unvaccinated. Something along the lines of the Austrian measures may be in order for the US, or similar to the plan outlined for Québec Province in Canada.

I'll never agree to such an idea of denying care, as I'm British, and we believe health care is a right, and we have a duty to provide it.

The question is not if care should be denied to those who didn’t get vaccinated. The real question is, should a stroke patient be sent home because people who deliberately did not get vaccinated, are occupying ICU beds that are now not available for people who did get vaccinated.

And to everyone saying that smokers or fat people could also be denied care, that’s fucking stupid. Last time I checked, there was no shot that protects people from obesity or cancer, but severe Covid can be prevented with vaccines.

I don’t want to lose my loved ones because the hospitals are filled with fucking assholes who refused the vaccine, but now they’re occupying ICU beds. Move them down to a Covid ward and let someone else get that ICU bed.

R31= Nurse Nann

R108 Yes, interesting article, as I mentioned as regards Delta, many studies found that to be true across the globe. The article was from August though, and we're mainly dealing with Omicron now, so we must keep an open eye, as well as as an open mind to newer studies on Omicron. They behave quite differently.

Viral load by itself is sort of a weak proxy when used to determine infectiousness, or how transmissible a particular variant is, as we see with Omicron, it has so very many different advantages which increase transmissibility, not entirely dependent on viral load.

I believe I have read a Danish paper outlining what you're claiming, yet I have not heard of such findings anywhere outside Denmark. I shall keep an eye out for more on that phenomenon.

Fuck off and die, anti vaxxer idiot R108.

R110 Cheers, and mad respect to you for making that distinction. Yes, that may very well be a valid question to ponder. Many here, like Stern argue however that hospital care itself ought to be denied. I think you may have suggested a fair compromise.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again:

If you are wilfully unvaccinated “because you don’t trust the vaccines” or some other inane excuse, do NOT go to a hospital nor seek professional medical attention for ANY illness or condition. Because if you cannot trust what medical science and all reputable doctors advise regarding the vaccines, then you should not trust that same science and those same skilled professionals to treat you for cancer/diabetes/heart disease/HIV/ (insert here).

Stay at home and tough it out, or tweet Joe Rogan for his advice.

I had to undergo triple bypass surgery in November 2019. If I had to do the surgery 4-5 months later when the virus reach early peak in NYC it would not have been possible and I may have died. Now that we have effective vaccines and masks and know when we should be social distancing, those who don't follow proper health protocols spread COVID and then end up tasking up ICU beds and taxing the hospitals so those require basic critical care are the ones who are affected.

Interesting that Americans, no matter what their political affiliation, jump straight to mass murder as a solution. Fascist at your core. All of you.

R115 Simply out of curiosity, are you with CDC or do you work in Public Health? You sound as if you're so utterly confident in your directive that they're going to listen to you, simply because you've said it repeatedly.

Most of these featherbrains even try asking healthcare providers if it isn't too late for the vaccine, once they find themselves in hospital with difficulty breathing. Many others take to the media, or social media accounts recanting their BS, imploring others to have the jabs.

When people desperately struggle to breathe, and feel as if they may die, they go to hospital. Your directives and anger are not going to prevent that!

R110 of course you can protect yourself from obesity. And some cancers too. Lung cancer and cervical cancer for example. Alcohol and drug related illnesses, many mental illnesses can be prevented through correct lifestyle and medical choices too.

Should the depressed person who comes off their meds and tried to kill themselves be denied treatment? The diabetic who wouldn’t take their meds? Thread guy eith high cholesterol who doesn't like statins?

Even convicted murderers and pedophiles on death fucking row aren't denied medical care. Use your fucking brain.

Hi anti vax idiot from East Europe @ R117. Nedostajao si mi, moj omiljeni šupak!

[quote] Most of these featherbrains even try asking healthcare providers if it isn't too late for the vaccine, once they find themselves in hospital with difficulty breathing. Many others take to the media, or social media accounts recanting their BS, imploring others to have the jabs.

Really? Most of these featherbrains don't, they truly believe the bullshit they've been believing in right until the very end. And what's even worse, their even more shitty family members insult docs and nurses, spit at them, attack them, threaten to kill them etc. Why are docs and nurses supposed to help these loons when these loons attack them? It's the docs and nurses that need to be safe in order to do their jobs. I don't give a fuck about these lunatics' wellbeing and about their moronic beliefs. If they attack docs and nurses, they can rot in hell.

If fatties and smokers were overwhelming the medical system, then yes they should go to the back of the line.

But they aren't The unvaccinated are.

And to answer the asshole upthread, yes, people are dying because they can't get care because of the unvaccinated.

[quote]And to everyone saying that smokers or fat people could also be denied care, that’s fucking stupid.

I need surgery on my posterior tibial tendon and can't get it because I'm fat, so shut the fuck up.

R123 (not whomever you quoted there) Have you tried getting another opinion? I'm assuming you've been told you are not a candidate for surgery. In my experience, sometimes you may find a surgeon willing to take the chance. I personally know of two such older and overweight people.

A neighbour found a surgeon to do rotator cuff surgery to repair her tendons, and she had been told by the first "no go". She had asthma and COPD as well, and in her 70s. She suffered for years in excruciating pain. Surgery was a complete success.

Another lady, a friend's mum found someone to perform the Whipple procedure for her after three surgeons were unwilling. She's a rare long term survivor of Pancreatic cancer.

I'd keep looking if you are in pain. Best wishes to you.

Why is it so hard for people to use their brains to stay on topic? Cancers, leg surgeries, and all these other diseases that are being cited are NOT caused by a pandemic. There is no vaccine that you can take that would protect you from lung cancer or weighing 500 pounds.

The hospitals are not at capacity because of cancer patients or the stupid poster’s tibia surgery, they’re full because we’re in a pandemic and people refuse to take a shot that can prevent severe disease and the need to be hospitalized.

And who’s the queen who keeps screaming “Nazis”? I’m sure Jewish people would have taken a fucking vaccine if it had prevented them and their families from being killed. Are you people really that stupid that you’re unable to discuss this topic objectively?

I didn't say the tendon surgery had anything to do with a pandemic, r125, so stop acting like you're having to lecture me to stay on topic.

Some dipshit earlier said "fat people don't get denied care" and sometimes they do. It's well documented. It's happened to me. I said so, and if you don't like it, then respond to me based on what I said, instead of this sideways ad hominem crap you posted instead, which is more about you making yourself feel better than it is about "staying on topic."

Remember this diseased trash that wants to take up ICU beds because they can’t bother to be vaccinated, are the same trash who keep voting for Repugs who want to restrict medical care to only those with corporate jobs. This is why they attack the ACA.

They’re whining “you can’t restrict medical care!” while trying to eliminate access to medical for millions.

R126 No one likes an angry hall monitor. Good on you.

Doctors and hospitals are really just middlemen squatting between patients and the life-saving drugs that we need to be healthy and sane. I'm so sick of seeing wonderful life changing medicines on TV and then being told to "ask your doctor about ____" or check with your doctor to see if it's time for ____". If they got rid of the doctors and hospitals there'd be no overcrowding, and then we could get our medical advice and our medicine straight from the source.

Staring in 1997 US is the only country that allows direct pharmaceutical company to consumer advertising. Before that all pharmaceutical advertising was restricted only to medical periodicals. Marketing drugs to the public is beyond fucked up in every way imaginable .

Agree.

Whoops! Fully Vaccinated Australians In Hospital For COVID-19 Surpass Unvaccinated

R132 That’s because NSW has a high vaccination rate. If 80% of the population is vaccinated versus 20% unvaccinated, it makes sense there would be more vaccinated people in hospital beds. There aren’t that many unvaccinated folks left in NSW.

Also in R132's misleadingly titled link:

However, based on the data presented, unvaccinated individuals appear to be six times more likely to be hospitalised and nearly 13 times more likely to be sent to ICU than those who are fully vaccinated.

[quote] And who’s the queen who keeps screaming “Nazis”?

It's the Croatian anti vax cunt. She's obsessed with Hitler and the like, constantly screaming fascism etc

FF this cunt straight into hell, please.

Oh my goodness that wig

[quote]When people desperately struggle to breathe, and feel as if they may die, they go to hospital. Your directives and anger are not going to prevent that!

R118 there have been numerous examples documented of covid-denying patients in hospitals getting into physical altercations with healthcare workers over their treatment, over demands for Ivermectin, not to be given oxygen nor placed on a ventilator. Some even have had "friends" encourage them to sign their own discharge papers, which of course proved equal to signing their own death warrant.

Damn, R102 is crawling all over the thread. Major Howard stan alert! Calm down girl, it's not that serious.

[QUOTE] I am part of the most oppressed group in the history of the world (women). Yes, it is easier to be a white woman than to be a black anybody, but women have always been oppressed.

Please. You women have been using your pussy for power since the dawn of time.

R137 I never denied any of that happening really. I don't know how your quote or my words speak to any of that. In my pleas for more compassion, I left those violent abusive patients out of the equation. It's rather difficult to argue for any compassion to abusive and dangerous patients.

My point was that many of the unvaxxed, no matter how much they distrust the medical community, still go to hospital when they're close to death, or their family members drag them in certain cases.

R139. I agree. LGBTs have been the most oppressed group in history. Women aren't killed like LGBTs in Muslim majority nations.

Women have even played a roll in some new nation's borders. Can anyone name any nations where LGBTs determined the borders?

I wouldn’t include Ts with the Muslims. Muslims LOVE the T.

That's not solving the root problem, misinformation campaigns on social media by Russia and China.

Much better picture.

[QUOTE] That's not solving the root problem, misinformation campaigns on social media by Russia and China.

Please. There’s more than enough misinformation from American citizens. The root problem is NOT foreign.

Who cares what that gross rat faced piece of shit thinks

Of course the main problem is foreign. Russia brainwashed Americans so much that Tucker Carlson thinks and says on his show that NATO is an evil organization that treats Putin badly.

What a horrible man he is. I had no idea he was that sick. Stern disgusts me.

[quote]Some even have had "friends" encourage them to sign their own discharge papers, which of course proved equal to signing their own death warrant.

What are you complaining about? That's what you want, isn't it? For these people to leave the hospital?

The "forbid healthcare for the unvaccinated" crowd is apparently also the "don't allow the unvaccinated to leave the hospital" crowd. Figures.

Absolutely

Unclutch your pearls, former disco queens. He was simply bitching about the flippancy of the unvaxxed. He wasn't campaigning.

R149 I don't give a fuck if these loons leave the hospital. They can -- and should -- croak.

[QUOTE] What a horrible man he is. I had no idea he was that sick. Stern disgusts me.

What’s so disgusting about what he said, R48? Why shouldn’t you live (and die) with the consequences of your actions if you choose to remain unvaccinated?

If you don’t care enough about your health to get a vaccine, why should hospitals care about your health?

We are in triage at most hospitals now. They have to choose someone to put on hold. Why shouldn’t it be the ones causing this overflow?

I wish his giant white man fro would die.

Let's remember that the vaccines are FREE and widely available. Very few people have a legitimate reason for not getting vaccinated.

Hospitals should ban the obese and cigarette smokers....go home and die. R153 says you must live with the consequences of your actions and while we are at it. when you get in to a car crash go home and die, you CHOSE to get in that car and must live with the consequences.

False equivalencies much, R157?

zzz, R157

What a lame try.

R151 Stern is also clinging to a misinformed fantasy that if everyone were to take three jabs, the virus goes away, or goes away more quickly, and we're all back to life as usual. It's not going to happen.

He said he has places to go, people to see, wants to play chess again with his neighbour, etc... on and on he goes. He can do all of those things, so long as he wears a mask, that is if his neighbour is more vulnerable to infection somehow. As long as he is boosted, as well as his friends, I don't see how the unvaccinated are affecting his social life.

I'll tell you this, that sort of talk about letting people die does NOT sit well with most. This is purely an American notion. It is rather difficult to defend. As I mentioned upthread, if America cannot manage the level of hospitalisations, and people are in need of those ICU beds, perhaps that is a compromise, as R110 suggests.

But talk of letting patients suffer the consequences of their poor choices, and sending them home to die is difficult to defend. That is a slippery slope I would say most of you Americans (at least here) are willing to experiment with. Your record, and ranking on healthcare metrics is already abysmal, but be my guest. It's your country.

R160, go post your thesis on some ridiculous anti vaxx forum.

R158 nothing false about it. They are quite real. The world is now an ugly place in the US.

Howard’s looking Don Imus-ugly.

Well said R160.

Those of us who live in a country where healthcare is for everyone and not for profit cannot comprehend this ugly thinking.

[quote]By the time you found out they weren't, you'd have to take them off their vents...

Nope. Ask them for proof that they are vaccinated. Give them a covid test. If it's positive and they are not vaccinated, they get to leave. The end.

Europe has a lot of of anti vaxxers too and the vaxxed are fed up with them. It's not just an US thing.

Cheers R164

R163 Quite an apt comparison you've made there.

R162. They are not equivalent. Getting a vaccination is a trivial obligation. If you are not vaccinated, it is something you can quickly and easily remedy. Being addicted to cigarettes or being overweight are deep seated conditions that are not quickly and easily remedied. Driving a car is an integral part of life.

R166 yes there are many but we do not deny them healthcare. The US is a savage country.

R166 I'm sorry, but you're conflating two entirely different things. No European talk show personality with as many listeners, or with a comparable platform in Europe is arguing to refuse medical care to the unvaccinated. Absolutely NO ONE is suggesting this on social media, etc. Only Americans are suggesting this.

You're making a fool of yourself here with such an assertion.

R169. First of all the US is not currently denying treatment of unvaccinated people. The fact that someone on a radio program proposes it doesn’t mean it’s public policy.

It is a real issue to address. It is the antivaxxers who are denying everyone else medical treatment. Because of their stupidity , laziness, and need to feel special they are making hospital beds unavailable to other people.

Typical DL, fighting over hospitals that exist only in their dreams. In the US, unless the patient or the person authorized to make medical decisions for the patient requests a change, every patient who enters a hospital is automatically full-code. And the patient who is most in need of care gets seen first. Always has; always will.

When that patient happens to be an anti-vax hypoxic HONDA* who uses what few reserves he/she has left to hit, spit, thrash, rip out lines, pull off masks, and try to scream between gasps, through blue lips, that we're all government assassins following "The Protocol" to murder patriots, then that's who we treat.

If they decide to change their code status, the healthcare workers taking care of them will be happy to accommodate their wishes.

They never do.

R172 Countries such as Austria and Germany are levelling fines to make up for resources the unvaccinated may be disproportionately using in their health systems, rather than this idea of brutalism.

It is a very stark difference; is it not?

Stern is a spoilt and crass vulgarian, earning $120 million a year. I'm certain he is personally quite capable of obtaining the best care if he shall require an ICU bed. It is savage and irresponsible to be ginning people up like this.

R173 Germany has discussed fines but none have been levied. Do not state a discussion as realized fact.

R174 It still doesn't change the fact that denial of care is NOT being discussed in Europe. Europeans are discussing, and implementing other measures is the counterpoint to this thread. Other measures in other parts of the world have been taken, Singapore, and the Province of Québec in Canada for example.

Don’t worry once this is all over we all won’t forget who was a complete asshole during the scamdemic.

R167. He’s a personality that prospers by making provocative statements. It doesn’t necessarily indicate the policy is more likely to be implemented in the Us.

Medical patients are currently being denied care because hospitals are full of people too silly, lazy, or special to get. vaccinated. That is the only form of Covid related rationing of care currently occurring in the US and it’s imposed by antivaxxers not by Howard Stern. The same exact rationing is happening in Europe so I think you can stop with the criticism of the US And of course your statement that nobody in Europe has discussed denying care to the unvaccinated is preposterous.

It’s nice to have warm thoughts about all of humanity but doctors and nurses don’t grow on trees and hospital rooms aren’t built overnight.

And what about drug addicts, people with sport injuries, smokers,... Stern is just being outrageous for attention. Almost every single person does stupid things - and the very few who always act entirely reasonable tend to be are insufferable. A hospital should of course treat stupid people, which includes near everyone of us.

The US hospitals that are full are full because of the people who own them. NYC lost 30,000 beds in the past 10 years. Hospitals are run like airlines and an empty bed is a loss, therefore all beds must be full at all times.

Hospital rooms can be built overnight, during the flu epidemic of 2018 US hospitals added tents to treat overflow.

Here is the difference, most of the flu patients were insured thus PROFITABLE but with the loss of jobs and insurance many Covid are uninsured thus NOT profitable.

As far as your bullshit about healthcare rationing Germany has been taking overflow from other countries these past two years and right now we are only 20% full in Berlin. No healthcare is being rationed.

Thank you, r172. This whole thread is full of people who think their personal opinions and daydreams about what's fair and what isn't have more weight than actual laws and medical practices.

Wait...so Stern is considered ugly? That's quite the revelation.

R160 Oh, please. MOST vaccinated people probably agree with the sentiment sans the crassness of course. Better that Stern says it than our medical people who say it to each other every chance they get.

[quote]It is the antivaxxers who are denying everyone else medical treatment.

Dial back the hyperbole. "Everyone else" is not being denied medical treatment. Some are, mostly due to patients who need to be transferred to another hospital because the one they're in is full.

However, most hospitals operate under a "crisis standard of care" which is mentioned in this article about Kansas hospitals, which are overflowing for obvious reasons. That means doctors will have to decide who gets care and who doesn't. You can rest assured that a patient who is unvaxxed and has comorbidities and not a great chance of survival will be denied care before someone who has a non-COVID illness and CAN be saved.

That's why all this talk is such bullshit. It's just people childishly lashing out, fantasizing about letting people die.

[quote]Better that Stern says it than our medical people who say it to each other every chance they get.

What? If Howard Stern says it then "medical people" won't? I don't understand this.

Stop lying R181. There are millions of medical people and you are not privy to their conversations. Thus, you have no idea what they say.

Thanks for the clarifications. Interesting about the tents—-I had never ever heard any reporting of that being done in the US. There must have been a blackout on reporting.

Have tents solved the problem already.? If so I guess it was smart that we underbuillt the hospitals all these years. It’s a shame so many doctors and nurses had been sitting around idle for lack of a tent to work in. And it’s probably a lot more fun being and providing care in a tent.

Since we corporations are not building enough capacity in the US and cost is never an object in any country except in the US how many rooms or tents should we build? Should we have one room or tent available at all time for each US resident?

R184, you aren't either, so stfu.

R177 You are a classic illustration which proves the addage "Americans are a rare breed". It isn't so much that I believe that Stern is influencing present policy, but ginning up is ginning up nonetheless.

We don't know how long we'll be encountering variants, so there is a real possibility with his influence, he is fomenting hatred toward these individuals, and influencing people's opinions.

Thanks, but I'd rather hold onto my notions of humanity, and the warm thoughts I have about treating people properly. I don't want any part of what Stern is promoting. You can save your condescension for someone who deems you worthy of giving advice on the matter. In my eyes, you're as much a part of the problem if you're making excuses for him.

R179 I never said healthcare was being rationed in Germany. I only said that fines were being considered or a tax levied for remaining unvaccinated.

R187 How exactly do you think many people view Germans?

R185, I went to Google and did a quick search and a bunch of articles about hospitals using tents came right up. Not sure who you were replying to but no, there hasn't been a media blackout about hospitals and temporary tents.

R185 Realize that the US is a corporate oligarchy. The news is owned by the corporations. If you did not know about the tents in 2018 they could not see a way to monetize it.

R184 you made an allegation. The allegation is a lie. I made on claim about what people are saying and will not shut the fuck up.

R188 I don't fucking care how people view anyone. Facts matter, views do not.

R188 I don't know wiseguy, why don't you give your opinion on the subject. I don't know why your asking me the question, though I have German expat friends here in the US. I'm British, and It's quite clear just how you feel about us here, so save your words. You don't particularly seek to care for any foreigners here. Another shining side effect of American Exceptionalism!

It’s just weird and unsettling commented disparagingly on my nationality. I didn’t comment disparagingly on yours. I wouldn’t assume the traits you have displayed reflective of all your compatriots.

R192 I believe the American poster thought I was you at some point. I try to sign my posts when I encounter multiple nutbaggers pouncing on me here. I agree, he was making a dig at you for being German. The ad hominems, not unlike his condescension toward me, proves he has very little to offer to properly and respectfully refute anything we've stated.

Okay. Thanks

The lockdowns have made mental illness worse.

R195, yours obviously too, it seems.

How did the “Fuck your feelings”, “Lock her up”, and “I don’t care, do u?” people suddenly become such snowflakes?

Anti-vaxxers are diseased trash, and many of them are traitors as well. There’s no reason we should have compassion for the filth that are trying to destroy our country.

R197 they've always been snowflakes whenever they're not getting their way. Selfish illiterate cunts. I don't give a fuck whether they die, they may face the consequences of their stupidity and selfishness.

Repugs have always been the “rules are for the little people” party. Now it’s coming back to slap them in the face and all of a sudden we’re supposed to treat these evil assholes with kid gloves.

Fuck that bullshit.

You're wrong R167!

You are wrong R200

R197 You speak of them destroying, or trying to destroy your country, but if you Americans allow them to die, or more of them, does that feally serve to better the US?

Assuming many are from lower socioeconomic groups, and less educated (by the numbers of uninsured) don't you imagine that may cause a problem later on in the workforce, namely your trades, your essential service sector, and other wage earners disproportionately dying from Covid? There are alteady worldwide supply chain issues, and delays in shipping due to so many people sick with virus

I can't see how any American would wish for the number of deaths to increase, as you already have the highest numbers of both cases AND deaths. Do you really want the rest of the developed world to think even less of your ability to effectively manage the pandemic? No good can come of this.

R200 I'm afraid you'll have to do much better than that; as I've made several posts here. What am I wrong about EXACTLY now? That you shouldn't give up on treating the unvaxxed? Well, I've already said that's your choice. Funnily enough though, the rest of the world is coping, and able to continue treating them. In your system, you spend the most in delivering the least amount of care. You also spend more than any other nation on medicines. I think it's your system which needs improving.

You are wrong, R201.

[quote] I think it's your system which needs improving.

R203, and I think it's your English first which needs improving.

[quote] You speak of them destroying, or trying to destroy your country, but if you Americans allow them to die, or more of them, does that feally serve to better the US?

Yes, these evil assholes killing themselves off by their own stupidity does better the US.

It feally, feally does.

R205 If it helps you to feel better by mocking my typos, be my guest there as well. My eyes are old and tired, but at least my brain still works, unlike most of the posters in this thread.

It’s so fucking hypocritical for these scum to be arguing that we’re promoting death, when they’re the ones refusing to take simple health measures to protect themselves and others.

Don’t want us to mock you when you die of a deadly disease that you’ve refused to take a vaccine for? Too bad. You made your stupid choice, you deserve your stupid death.

These evil Repugs are actually trying to argue that they should be immune from the consequences of their evil actions?

R207 It's hypocritical for you to be calling Europeans, and Brits scum, simply because we believe it is an obligation to provide medical care to everyone in a civilised society. We have different galues than you Americans. Insofar as the practise of medicine, I believe we have better values.

When two things are equal they can never be false. Health choices are health choices whether one chooses obesity or cigarettes.

R207 BTW, I'm triple jabbed: 2 Moderna, 1 Pfizer. I don't know who you think you're talking to here. I have an MPH, and encourage everyone to be vaccination. You can mock my typos dumbkopf, but don't continue with your assumptions.

[quote] It's hypocritical for you to be calling Europeans, and Brits scum…

Fucking Repugs just make shit up like usual. You are all liars.

I’m calling antivaxxers scum, whatever their national origin may be.

But you keep telling lies. I’m sure that’ll help your diseased trash followers feel better about themselves as they drown in their own phlegm.

R207 You're quite imbecilic, aren't you? You are most certainly arguing for more deaths by refusing to treat unvaxxed. People calling you out on that idea does not make any of us antivax. Get your head out your arse.

The faster the unvaxxed die off, the sooner we’ll be out of this pandemic.

There’s an exit, and they are blocking it. Fuck them.

[quote] BTW, I'm triple jabbed: 2 Moderna, 1 Pfizer. I don't know who you think you're talking to here. I have an MPH, and encourage everyone to be vaccination.

Anyone who posts credentials on DL is always lying.

A dead antivaxxer can’t keep spreading their disease

R212 I may have posts chock full of typos here, but you're a stunning example of the exemplary American educational system.

What do I care what diseased trash thinks of me?

Once again, after all the evil they have been inflicting on the world for two years now, and the only argument these anti-vaxxer scum have left is that we’re “so mean”!

R215 That's easy for you, isn't it? I understand you need to find a way out. I feel genuinely sorry for you as well. Everyone who disagrees with you is not always a Republican. I'm only a Republican back in my country, because I'm not a monarchist. Very different principles.

I'm not a Democrat, but I am a lefty... a Progressive. I don't vote in your elections.

No, but you do spread the nazi talking points that are getting people killed.

And announcing your credentials on an anonymous site is pretty worthless.

Thus far, the US has:

888,623, deaths

71,728, 557 active cases

26,019 critical cases

Things are not looking particularly well presently, and no one rational is going to promote any policies which may increase your number of deaths.

R221 Enough of your lies.

R221 Stop using the term Nazi in such a context as well. It's highly offensive to Jewish people, and wholly inappropriate. It cheapens the suffering and deaths of my ancestors who were murdered by the Nazis.

[quote]Enough with your lies

Did you stamp your little foot when you posted that?

[quote]no one rational is going to promote any policies which may increase your number of deaths.

Which is why we consider you antivaxxer scum to be irrational.

Don’t like being called a nazi? Stop posting nazi propaganda.

Anti-vaxxers are Trump supporting, Fox News watching, Republican voting morons who think nationalized health is Communism!!!!

Now they/their insurance companies (if they have insurance) will be saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. What will happen now?

Maybe in England you don’t have antivaxxers who rip people’s masks off and spit in their faces.

Here in America, we’re over these evil people.

R225 Despite several American dictionaries changing the definition of antivaxxer to include those who do not support mandates, but are vaccinated, there is nothing in that definition which would include me.

I support fines or tax schemes as disincentives for those remaining unvaccinated, so I do not fit your description. Merely arguing it is in your country's best interest to continue treating these patients does not suddenly render me unvaccinated, nor does it make me antivaxx. Are you really so daft?

R228 I live in the US. You have a remarkably tiny brain, or you do not read entire threads before posting.

R226 Time to lay off the crack pipe.

Can’t stand the heat? Get the fuck out of the kitchen.

You can make ad hominem attacks all you want to, but they just go to show how little you can actually support the nazi propaganda you post.

Clearly the Repugs know that normal people see them as diseased trash, and they’ve sent their little minions here to try to stamp that out.

Good luck with that, traitor scum.

[quote]Stop using the term Nazi in such a context as well. It's highly offensive to Jewish people, and wholly inappropriate. It cheapens the suffering and deaths of my ancestors who were murdered by the Nazis.

One would think that you would be able to learn from history.

What lead to the rise of the Nazis in Germany in the 30s is happening in America today with the Repugs. Did you not see 1/6/21?

But, here you are, cheering on the Nazis from the sidelines. Promoting their evil.

I’m sure it couldn’t possibly come back to slap you in the face. The Nazis were not isolated to Germany in the 30s and 40s. They will always be with us, and we must always fight them.

But you want to just stay blind and just let it happen again. That makes you part of the problem.

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Speaking of Nazis

What the shit is going on in this thread?

"My ancestors suffered and died because of the Nazis."

"By saying that it means you're cheering the Nazis on!"

Everyone take your meds and calm your tits, I mean damn.

Tucker, don't throw bricks when you live in a glass house — you look like someone with "hormonal changes from middle age" yourself.

R234 You began with the ad hominems, firstly by calling me "antivaxxer," secondly "diseased trash", then and repeatedly now, a Nazi. Begone troll. If you're not meth or crack addled, you're the most dramatical of drama queens who ever acted on DL.

If the Germans had stood up to the Nazis, the holocaust would never have happened.

We have to stand up to the modern Nazis who are actively trying to destroy our country. Otherwise, we are no better than the Germans of the 30s.

R235 Very poor form to he blaming Jews for the Nazis. I seriously hope Muriel ted tags you. You speak in gibberish, just tossing out anything to insult.

And again, they have no response except “you’re so mean!”

Fuck you. This is a battle for our country. We can’t let this evil take over. Again.

Nobody’s blaming the Jews, you moron. We’re blaming the Germans who saw what was happening and went along with it.

Good God you’re stupid.

I hate you all.

R243 I'm a Jew, and I told you my family died in the camps, yet you are calling me a bloody Nazi repeatedly for advocating medical treatment for the unvaccinated. You're completely unhinged.

You’re a Jew who lost family in the holocaust and yet you’re cheering on the next one?

New flash. You’re not the only person who lost relatives in the Holocaust. And some of us are trying to make sure it never happen again.

But you just keep cheering on the next wave of Nazis. I’m sure that’ll work out just fine.

This escalated quickly. In Germany (if anyone is intersted yet) they are debating to make vaccination compulsory for certain age groups. Some vaccinations are compulsory already for certain professions or age groups - it's not per se a novelty. We have a perfect horseshoe of antivaxxers here: the regular right-wing troll type and the ones who are very left-leaning, vote Green or die Linke, are anti tech, anti nuclear power, anti medicine unless it is the medicine from snake oil salesmen. Even if the antivaxxers are a very vocal group, they are only a very small minority. The counterintuitive rules our politicians came up with which change every week didn't help in instilling confidence. Add some absolute madmen like vegan Fascho Hildmann, Russian troll farms and telegram and it's a recipe for desaster. Our idiotic press who changed from actual journalism to telling people what to think all the time is no help. It's all glammed up clickbait at the moment. Media feeds on outrage. Anyway, 80 percent of the people I know in a quite representative village cannot understand what keeps kind of 10 % from getting vaccinated. It's insane at this point. It bears resemblances to a sect, to be honest. The more outrageous the beliefs, the more tight-knit the resulting community. Last week the owner of the last remaining restaurant in said village died of covid. He was in his mid-50s and he leaves three kids in their teens. Of course he was unvaxxed. The tragedy is that he was a good guy by all accounts and no one understands what got into him to believe such bullshit that cost him his life and his kids their father.

[quote] I'm a Jew, and I told you my family died in the camps,

“I’m a Democrat, but…”

R248 Enough with your partisan American shite. I've not stated that. Nothing I've said here makes me what you wish to believe You cannot get it through your numbskull that people who argue for medical care are not necessarily Rethuglicunts, FOX news watchers, Nazis, or antivaxxers.

No one is arguing that the unvaccinated made the right, or the best choice. They still deserve medical care is the point.

Again, that tiny brain of yours is a fascinating study. Just keep screaming Nazi, and antivaxxer into cyberspace if it makes you feel better about defending inhumane treatment of your fellow Americans.

No, the point is that they are crowding responsible people out of hospital space.

I had a friend die of a heart attack because they couldn’t get him into an emergency room because you antivaxxers were clogging it up. So, yes, I’m angry.

I actually have two friends who were murdered by repug scum. The other one caught covid when an anti mask protester spit in her face.

So fuck you

R247 I watched a brief news programme on Deutsche Welle yesterday about several of the German antivaxxers who have recently emigrated to Paraguay. Very simple people, many of them farming there, though they were not originally farmers in Germany. They chose a small community of German speaking expats to settle into.

It was rather interesting, as some of the men from the two families were readying an auto repair shop, as that was their occupation back home. It seems at least for the two families featured, it shall be most difficult for them to be farming, and fixing cars. They said thousands have left Germany. I was wondering if they might be Evangelicals, but the presenter did not mention anything about their religion.

Here in the US, many of the antivax are Evangelical, and believe a whole host of conspiracy theories, ranging from a Jesuit-led one world government takeover, to beliefs that taking the jab is taking " the mark of the beast". They are very frightened people, and quite paranoid.

We need to try to convince the Evangelicals of the world that there is some homeland that God has ordained they all move to as quickly as possible. Paraguay would work. Let's start a movement to invade all their loony boards and convince them all to move to Paraguay. It can become the Israel of South America, except without any smart people.

[quote] They said thousands have left Germany.

Who's "they"? The anti vaxx loons being interviewed? There might have left a few dozen, but certainly not "thousands".

You know, many of these loons depend on social welfare. They wouldn't make it in another country, let alone in a country where you need to really work hard for a living.

R253, what the hell has Paraguay done to deserve this?!?

There's a large Mennonite community in Paraguay, but those people left Europe decades and decades ago. I'm not positive, but I don't think they have any ties to modern day Germany at all. Not sure what ties German citizens have there, but they could be joining up with Mennonites?

R249 247 here, and I don't believe that thousands emigrated, even less so if the number was uttered by one of the people they interviewed. Evangelicals aren't a thing here in Germany. We have our own brands of weirdos - not the regular weirdos but weirdos on steroids, and potentially dangerous because well connected and well funded:

"Reichsbürger": People who believe the Federal Republic of Germany isn't a state but a corporation founded by the Axis Powers (or something), who don't want to pay taxes, don't accept ID cards or the police. According to them, the German Reich of the Weimar Republic never really stopped existing. They also have super shady figures who claim to be long-lost royalty. Wild shit, and mostly existent in some remote regions of East Germany.

Die "Identitären": An "identitarian movement" that has some weird mix of beliefs. They share some but not all ideas of the French movement "Les Identitaires" from the '60s. Hitler-Jugend with extra steps.

It's not a big surprise that most of the anti-vax "leaders" have a tradition of dabbling in either of the two groups, mostly Reichsbürger, like Xavier Naidoo or Attila Hildmann. Lately, Naidoo has moved towards QAnon.

I don't want to discredit the people interviewed in the clip you saw though. It's just extremely unlikely that they would be Evangelicals.

His wig should go home and die.

And guess who keeps marching in front of every single anti vaxx demonstration in Vienna, R257. It's the fucking Identitären cunts.

These demos are also attended by quite a lot of Germans coming by car, bus and train for every demo. Unless they come from Bavaria, their "German German" sounds quite different to "Austrian German", so it's pretty easy to detect the Germans attending. That what I said about these idiots up thread: Quite a lot of them don't have jobs, resulting in apparently having plenty of time to go to these demonstrations.

R259 I totally believe that. It's all very well connected and organized travel where anti-vaxxers are carted around by the busload is making them seem much more than they really are. Anyway, I'm sorry. We're not sending out best ...

"Go home and die". Yes! When I think Stern goes too far, he says something perfect like this.

He has the best job. Just calls out the bullshit and gets paid billions of $$$$$$$$$.

A lot of you guys said I was a horrible person a few weeks ago when I said my husband and I don't really care what happens to anti-vaxxers anymore. I probably, deep-down in my heart, don't want anyone to be denied medical care. But some of you people who are not in the USA don't know what it's like here. These antivaxx fools are gumming up the whole thing. I freaking hate needles, but I acted like an adult and got the vaccines. It's what we're supposed to do. I don't know for sure, but I don't think all of the European countries have SO many protections for nitwits. Maybe you do. It's just that everything that Biden tries to do is correct, and these nuts keep fighting against him. I can't find the right fucking cat food, and my fat ass cat who only likes my husband is going to hate me even more. Jesus!

PS I also have some Jewish ancestry, but my ancestors got out of Germany around 1900 or so. Still, you Germans need to realize that we won't stop looking down on your politics for many, many years to come.

I don't agree with Stern's wording. A more proper comment would be, If you don't believe in scientific medicine enough to get a vaccine to avoid COVID, you shouldn't be running to the hospital because you have COVID.

[quote]NEW: A Boston hospital says it won't consider performing a heart transplant on a 31-year-old man who refuses to get vaxxed.

[quote]If only he quietly listened, he would hear 100s of 1000s of dead unvaxxed people saying, “seize the day,” and get vaxxed.

That's common sense right there. Why waste a heart transplant for someone at suck a high risk that he likely won't survive through the end of this year.

R257 Thanks for your reply with the informative and interesting breakdown of these groups. My German expat friends here in the US are very apolitical, and they've lived here almost two decades.

[quote] "Reichsbürger": People who believe the Federal Republic of Germany isn't a state but a corporation founded by the Axis Powers (or something), who don't want to pay taxes, don't accept ID cards or the police. According to them, the German Reich of the Weimar Republic never really stopped existing.

Compare the US's QAnon/Sovereign Citizen conspiracy theory:

[quote] The idea stems from the belief among some QAnon followers that the United States turned from a country into a corporation after the passage of the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871. It's an odd, unfounded theory drawn from the sovereign citizen movement, an extreme libertarian fringe that opposes federal laws, general taxation and even the US currency on the grounds that they restrict individual rights. Believers in the QAnon offshoot maintain that every US president, act and amendment passed after 1871 is illegitimate.

^^^ Q is a government psyop being pushed by MSM. Don’ t fall for it.

Tell me about the Denver Airport now, r268.

R264, So this guy is OK with having his heart replaced by another person's heart and having to take a handful of medications for the rest of his life, but he doesn't trust science when it comes to the covid vaccine .

That makes no sense at all.

Don't wait til they have to go to hospital - charge them with attempted manslaughter as soon as they're spouting their bullshit.

I fucking despise antivaxxers. I have done everything possible to protect myself and others with masks and shots, and it enrages me that society is being devastated by fucking imbeciles with personality disorders. We are wasting all our time and resources when there is a mass extinction of animals in the next ten years and climate change going on. We don’t have time for fucking Covid.

[quote] I have done everything possible to protect myself and others with masks and shots, and it enrages me that society is being devastated by fucking *imbeciles with personality disorders.*

Says the OCD anxiety queen.

[quote] Says the OCD anxiety queen.

Better that than diseased trash like you

If everyone had gotten vaccinated when they could get vaccinated, Omicron may never have spread in the US and we'd have been fucking done with this for the most part a good six months ago. So fuck you antivaxxers and the antivaxxer enablers and apologists.