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Latinos warn Democrats about growing problem with Hispanic voters

Democrats admit they’re losing ground with Latino voters.

But Latino Democratic leaders and operatives are increasingly worried that time is running out to do anything that would make a significant difference ahead of the 2022 midterms, when the party needs a robust Latino turnout to preserve its slim majorities in Congress. For years, those leaders have warned that the party needs to invest earlier in outreach, hire more Latinos for decision-making positions and talk to Latino voters about more issues than just immigration. But even after a presidential election marked by former President Donald Trump’s impressive gains with Latinos across the country — not just in Latino-heavy South Texas and South Florida — they see a lack of urgency in addressing those issues. Between that and a failure to keep pace with GOP efforts to communicate with Latinos on newer platforms, there’s a creeping fear that the traditional Democratic advantage with Latino voters will continue to erode in November.

“Intellectually, Democrats know they have a problem,” said Maria Teresa Kumar, founding president and CEO of Voto Latino, a grassroots political organization. “But I haven’t seen the investment that needs to happen for it to translate.”

Latinos — the largest of the nation’s fastest-growing demographic groups — have long been viewed as solidly blue Democratic voters. While President Joe Biden captured the majority of the Latino vote in 2020, Trump improved his margins in 78 of the nation’s 100 majority-Hispanic counties. Since then, a spate of reports, analyses and polls have made it clear that the party has reason to worry if it doesn’t change its current approach. A recent report by Democratic research firm Equis found that a majority of Latinos believe that Democrats take them for granted. It also found that Trump’s policies on the coronavirus pandemic and economy were popular among Latinos and that GOP attacks claiming Democrats embrace socialism have been effective.

Another analysis by Democratic voter data firm Catalist found that, while six in 10 Latino voters backed Biden, Trump’s share of the Latino vote increased by 8 percentage points compared to 2016.

Kumar points to Florida — where Trump saw some of his largest gains with Latinos, both among conservative-leaning Cuban Americans and voters from other Latin American countries, such as Colombia, Venezuela and Nicaragua — as an example of Democrats having “a deficit in communications and connection.”

“Trump and the Republican Party never left Florida. They kept cultivating and communicating with the Latino community,” Kumar said. “Sure, a lot of it was disinformation and messaging that Biden is a communist and a socialist, but they kept doing it — and it was effective.”

One Democratic super PAC found that the party’s English-language ad spending dwarfed Spanish-language ads in numerous Latino-heavy House districts that Republicans flipped in 2020.

According to a spreadsheet shared with POLITICO — assembled out of frustration by the super PAC, which favored more Spanish-language ads — Democratic groups combined to spend almost $5 million in English-language ads in California’s 39th Congressional District, and not a cent on Spanish-language ads.

In that district, which is more than 30 percent Latino, Democratic incumbent Gil Cisneros lost to now-GOP Rep. Young Kim by just over 4,000 votes.

In the nearby 48th District, which is about 20 percent Latino, Democrats spent just $33,000 in Spanish-language ads, compared to more than $12 million spent in English-language ads. Democratic incumbent Harley Rouda lost narrowly there to Republican Michelle Steel.

“It should be a wake-up call to Democrats. When there are no people of color at the decision-making level of a campaign, our constituency becomes an afterthought and you underperform because you’re not reaching out to them with the same priority as white suburban ‘persuadable’ voters,” said Chuck Rocha, a Democratic strategist and former senior adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) presidential campaign.

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by Anonymousreply 184March 9, 2022 12:14 AM

The Latinx need to get with the program or GTFO.

by Anonymousreply 1January 18, 2022 7:06 PM

Mid-terms will be a bloodbath for Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 2January 18, 2022 9:07 PM

Notice there's not one X in Sabrina Rodriguez's tweet or article. The Democrats thought adding it to the word 'Latino' would bring them over? I grew up in Miami. Other than a couple of my best friends, most of the Cubans I knew came from very conservative families who fucking adored Reagan, many of the parents/grandparents fearing socialism that they'd fled under Castro. They've always been easy pickings for the right.

by Anonymousreply 3January 18, 2022 9:22 PM

There is also a danger of losing Asian voters soon. It's something number crunching pollsters have been warning about for a while now. Mostly because of the a Dems education policies

by Anonymousreply 4January 18, 2022 9:25 PM

Yep. Latinos and Asians are catching on that "diverse" means black.

by Anonymousreply 5January 18, 2022 9:34 PM

And losing black men

by Anonymousreply 6January 18, 2022 11:44 PM

[quote]Mid-terms will be a bloodbath for Democrats.

It doesn’t have to be that way but I read posts from hard-left extremists on this site and they seem to not care. They seem to want a bloodbath for Democrats. They don’t care at all. It’s sad.

by Anonymousreply 7January 18, 2022 11:50 PM

One guess as to why.

by Anonymousreply 8January 18, 2022 11:52 PM

I think the "x" in "Latinx" is more a product of the academy, rather than Democrats

by Anonymousreply 9January 18, 2022 11:55 PM

Oh, fuck the Latino vote. Seriously.

I am so sick of hearing these dire warnings to cater to Latinos. How much more can Dems truly cater to Latinos?

The Latinos who are drifting away can't be won back. They're either religious nuts who care only about abortion and hating gays, money grubbers who worship Trump, or selfish hypocrites (they don't care about other immigrants now that they've got theirs). In other words, typical Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 10January 19, 2022 1:30 AM

Latinos are the fasted growing population in the US. They are 25% of the US population compared to blacks who are 13%. As whites decrease Latinos take their place. They also control the political future of Texas and Florida the two fastest growing states in the US along with California. Fuck the Latinos means RIP for the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 11January 19, 2022 2:00 AM

Sorry, Latinos are only around 20% of US population but since they have the most kids they’ll be at 25% soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 12January 19, 2022 2:02 AM

R4, crime policies, too.

by Anonymousreply 13January 19, 2022 2:03 AM

The Democrats have a messaging problem, and it isn't limited to the Latino, Asian or Black communities. Biden gave a barn-burning speech on voting rights last week, and the silence was deafening. Where are the surrogates? Where are the elected Democrats across the nation, and why aren't they out there screaming at the top of their lungs about what's going on? They have got to wake up and realize they've got the policy wonks in the bag, and educated people who will read various sources to glean the truth follow it all very closely... but that's far, far less than the hoi polloi that, frankly, need bread and circus to get their attention.

Trump understands this. He said, to their delight, "I love the uneducated." And they believed him; at least, enough to swing a couple of districts to the Republicans. This should both terrify and energize the Democrats. They've simply got to get up off their asses and realize that half the people are below average, and without them, there isn't going to be a nation, let alone a Democratic party in power.

Take, for instance, the fact that the Republicans, through the use of the filibuster, have ended the child care payments the Democrats included in the last big bill they passed (and that's how long ago they managed to get something done). If the shoe were on the other foot, Republicans would be out there having town hall meetings to highlight the people who benefited, and then lost, one of the best things the Democrats have done for the lower-middle and lower class people since Social Security. Democrats have got to stop being afraid to "go there" and just spew the things that the audience needs to hear to motivate them to go to the polls. Here's a straight-forward message (one that should sound familiar to anyone who paid attention in the [italic]successful[/italic] Georgia run-offs): "If the Republicans take the House, there will never be a child tax credit again. If the Democrats keep the House and strengthen their majority in the Senate, they will get it done. Take it to the bank, because you can count on it."

Of course, they have to actually come through when they win.

by Anonymousreply 14January 19, 2022 2:33 AM

Completely agree, R14. Repugs have their messages and they keep repeating those messages. Democrats are either infighting with or catering to the silly progressives, who don't actually win many elections. No consistent messaging, and any messages that are out there do not get amplified by the rank and file Dems.

And to the person who said "fuck Latinos," I am sure you don't care that this also means "fuck the next election." Latinos used to be a huge voting bloc for Democrats. Yes, Cubans were always conservative, but the rest were generally not. As evil as the right wing is, Democrats are now seen as out of touch, condescending (no one likes to be viewed as a perpetual victim), and insulting (see LatinX).

by Anonymousreply 15January 19, 2022 2:41 AM

Weak minds are very susceptible to propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 16January 19, 2022 3:30 AM

Yes, and you need those weak minds to vote Dem or we're fucked. Democrats need to keep repeating their messages in the same way as the Cons. Calling them morons and ignoring them will lead to nothing but a permanently red country.

by Anonymousreply 17January 19, 2022 3:39 AM

r17, I guess you think it's cool for Republicans to call anyone they don't like a "socialist" or for them to sneer at "New York values" or "San Francisco values"

Politico is a site for right-wing hacks

by Anonymousreply 18January 19, 2022 3:48 AM

"Calling them morons and ignoring them will lead to nothing but a permanently red country."

But it's cool for Trump to call tons of people (especially black people) "low IQ"

by Anonymousreply 19January 19, 2022 3:49 AM

Bullshit article. And there are plenty of Latinos who vote Republican.

All of these 'oh the Dems are in disarray' articles is fucking ridiculous.

The other side is literally drinking pee and sending Goober white nationalists to overthrow the government.

by Anonymousreply 20January 19, 2022 3:58 AM

Crime is the number one issue that will hurt Dems in 2022. They overreacted with some of their initiatives due to Floyd’s murder. People need to feel safe.

Also Trump being off social media is another thing that will hurt Dems. He just has no presence. So they can’t make it all about him, which is a guaranteed win for Dems. If Trump did a George W Bush and went away for good, Republicans would have a “contract with America” type midterm. But his ego, along with his cult members, always leaves hope for Dems.

The one thing I can say about Republican Latinos, is at least they don’t want to turn the US into the shit holes they left.

by Anonymousreply 21January 19, 2022 4:02 AM

I wish people would understand Latino is a useless label and not helpful. Older White and white-identified Latinos align with Republicans because most live in Southern states and are diehard Catholics who are pro-life, anti-gay and hold racist views on Blacks and Indigenous. Many Mexicans who come here may be racially blended in appearance but many do not perceive themselves as Native American or people of color because in Mexico, they have their own category as "mestizo" and aspire to whiteness. Black Latinos from Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic blend into the African-American community and vote Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 22January 19, 2022 4:15 AM

White Latinos right now are like what Italians, Irish, Jews, Greeks and Polish used to be. Latinos are not seen as white because they conflict with America's Anglo-speaking majority-Protestant one-drop rule culture. In the next generation, people will look back and wonder why we used the term Latino and put millions of people of various ethnic origins and skin colors who just happen to speak Spanish into one racial category.

by Anonymousreply 23January 19, 2022 4:23 AM

[quote]Crime is the number one issue that will hurt Dems in 2022.

Full stop. That absolutely is not the number one issue that will hurt Dems. No one is even "checking" for that at the moment. Who is even talking about that at the moment? Get out of your bubble.

Voting rights will hurt them. The handling of COVID will hurt them. That is not the biggest thing at all, at this point.

by Anonymousreply 24January 19, 2022 4:34 AM


Yes, it's a product of the academy, and Democrats are using it like the dumbasses they are.

by Anonymousreply 25January 19, 2022 4:39 AM

Latinos are a working-class demographic. Raising the minimum wage, strengthening unions, expanding public health care, and forgiving consumer debt would do wonders to improve the Democrats' standing with Latinos. But these are measures that centrist Democrats are uniquely ill-equipped to take, hence the foot-dragging the article speaks about. Either because they're beholden to corporate donors, or because they're ideologically committed to the Reaganite status quo, these Democrats just won't do what's necessary.

by Anonymousreply 26January 19, 2022 4:47 AM

Fat, Catholic Latinos with micro peen are never Democrat to begin with. Try talking sense into college-graduated women, they are more sensible and rational.

by Anonymousreply 27January 19, 2022 4:49 AM

R24 You are making zero sense. How will voting rights hurt Dems?? How will Covid hurt Dems? Either specify or don’t type at all.

And maybe you are living in a bubble if you think crime will not be an issue.

by Anonymousreply 28January 19, 2022 4:52 AM

I wish dumb, trashy people would go back to never voting, like before Trump.

by Anonymousreply 29January 19, 2022 4:57 AM

r24 Consider the foaming at the mouth responses here... the assumption that they must be bigots, uneducated, yadda yadda yadda. How is that winning favor?

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by Anonymousreply 30January 19, 2022 5:10 AM

[quote]Crime is the number one issue that will hurt Dems in 2022.

Yes, if you care about crime, please by all means vote for the party that worships at the feet of a con artist and his family of grifters, the party of the spoiled rich brat who fucks teenagers and drives them across state lines, the party that defies subpoenas as they try desperately to cover for their members who actively participated in an insurrection against the government because democracy has become an inconvenience for them, and on and on.

Yes, if you care about crime, please by all means vote for *that* party.

by Anonymousreply 31January 19, 2022 5:15 AM

What does the authoer mean "immigration?"

A lot of Latino CITIZENS are NOT in support of letting illegal immigrants just come here and get citizenship after they went through the proper channels themselves. But most Democrats mean "give 'undocumented' citizenship" when they say "immigration reform" vs. let's enforce the current immigration policies and stop letting illegal immigration continue.

by Anonymousreply 32January 19, 2022 5:24 AM

r31 sounds like both of the primary parties... it's really difficult to tell which party you mean. so, I guess bias decides the way.

all this spells out more for which party not to vote for... than providing any reason to vote for a specific party.

and both parties have let their bigotry flags fly high... focusingon calling out the opposition while rallying behind their own. Well, their own until they offer up an opinion contrary to the party line. The amount of slurs to be heard when that happens. . . just imagine for a moment if you came out supporting the other party for a week, how many friends do you think you'd have left at the end of it?

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by Anonymousreply 33January 19, 2022 5:27 AM

Hispanics, Asians, Jews, etc. are well-aware that decades of Dem focus on Blacks completely excludes them and their concerns. No wonder then that minority communities whose support Dems took for granted are looking elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 34January 19, 2022 7:18 AM

I'm sure that Jews are being well-served by a GOP whose most prominent figure says stuff like this:

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by Anonymousreply 35January 19, 2022 7:23 AM

R35 Exactly what Dems say. Including those in party positions of power and government.

by Anonymousreply 36January 19, 2022 8:30 AM

Oh R35 and as far as your link, Trump vis-a-vis Jew hatred is no different to US Presidents going back to George Washington. Yet Trump negotiated an entente between the UAE and Israel that, for the first time, was neither at the expense of Israel or America.

by Anonymousreply 37January 19, 2022 8:35 AM

R37's mindset is all typical of those who love tarnishing the left with antisemitism accusations. Antisemitism from the right is fine with them because they know the right (out of hatred for Muslims and Arabs) will try its best to protect the interests of Israel, even at the expense of America itself. Say that Israel or Jews wield Congress like a child with his toy if you want... just make sure that Israel can keep stealing other people's houses and lands undisturbed, is r37's true feelings.

by Anonymousreply 38January 19, 2022 8:56 AM

R38 Jew hatred is bi-partisan, entrenched/acceptable in the US (and everywhere else for that matter). You're posts reiterate that reality.

by Anonymousreply 39January 19, 2022 9:23 AM

Let Latinos vote for Republicans if they are so desperate to suck up to Anglos and think they will do so much to help them.

by Anonymousreply 40January 19, 2022 9:32 AM

R10 Exactly! And this is another reason to stop being pro-immigration. Look at how these assholes turn on the party that has helped them out the most.

by Anonymousreply 41January 19, 2022 9:34 AM

Unless you're black, Muslim or trans, the Dems don't care, well that's what Latinos and other minority groups think.

by Anonymousreply 42January 19, 2022 9:38 AM

There were several illegal Mexican immigrants who supported Trump who were deported. They were such weird stories.

by Anonymousreply 43January 19, 2022 9:45 AM

R4 I think the anti-vax and anti-mask stance has hurt Republican inroads into Asian communities. East Asians are generally fine with large central government, have a trust in science, and don’t mind government involvement in personal life. They look at anti-vaxers as the crazies they are.

However if Republicans hit Democrats on anti-Asian policy, including limiting their access to elite schools, and the anti-Asian sentiment of BLM, they can still win over Asian voters.

by Anonymousreply 44January 19, 2022 9:49 AM

[quote]Unless you're black, Muslim or trans,

It's patronizing juvenlization; treating adults like defective children whose actions must be excused, protected and defended. In the case of "trans" and Muslims, "liberal" Dems enthusiastically champion reactionary and regressive ideologies.

by Anonymousreply 45January 19, 2022 9:52 AM

Erratum R45 j u v e n i l i z a t i o n

by Anonymousreply 46January 19, 2022 9:57 AM

[quote]Mid-terms will be a bloodbath for Democrats.

I have NO DOUBT that you’re right about this because people ARE this stupid and fickle. Of course, it makes no sense because if you think that we’re screwed now, wait until Trump gets back into office.

by Anonymousreply 47January 19, 2022 10:23 AM

R40 Oh, they will. And when they REALLY get treated like "Mexicans," we're not gonna hear the end of it.

by Anonymousreply 48January 19, 2022 10:25 AM

[wuote] However if Republicans hit Democrats on anti-Asian policy, including limiting their access to elite schools, and the anti-Asian sentiment of BLM, they can still win over Asian voters

Please go into specifics on the anti-Asian sentiments of BLM

by Anonymousreply 49January 19, 2022 10:33 AM

So you have to tell me that all that pandering to the Hispanic community is all for nothing. I mean democrats created social programs to benefit them at the expense of other non Hispanic minority groups. All that free money was all for nothing. It couldn't happen to a better party.

by Anonymousreply 50January 19, 2022 11:02 AM

[quote]There were several illegal Mexican immigrants who supported Trump who were deported. They were such weird stories.

Latinos are so pathetic and stupid and desperate to be accepted by whites. Democrats are the ones trying to get these idiot illegals free healthcare, citizenship and all sorts of benefits, yet they want to support Republicans who hate them and said Mexicans are rapists? Real intelligent people.🙄

by Anonymousreply 51January 19, 2022 11:10 AM

Latinos have a massive superiority complex, that's the reason they look down on illegal immigrants as they didn't do it the "right way", they also love the strong man image that Trump pushed.

by Anonymousreply 52January 19, 2022 11:48 AM

R52, it’s ignorant to speak of large groups in sweeping generalizations

by Anonymousreply 53January 19, 2022 12:10 PM

Things are not turning out thankfully like the more extreme parts of the Democratic Party envisioned. Hopefully after the next couple elections and some time in the wilderness a more moderate Democratic Party will emerge.

by Anonymousreply 54January 19, 2022 12:10 PM

The racism on this thread is rampant. MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 55January 19, 2022 12:33 PM

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by Anonymousreply 56January 19, 2022 12:42 PM

Every time I turn on NPR I get to hear about BIPOC because obviously all non white people experience life the exact same way. That goes along with putting all whites in the white supremacy category. Maybe Latinos see that as the bs it is.

by Anonymousreply 57January 19, 2022 1:07 PM

Always a good strategy to vote for an opposing party out of spite. Okay, that'll help you.

by Anonymousreply 58January 19, 2022 1:11 PM

Maybe because the Democrats don’t pander to that community? The Dems seem too preoccupied with the black vote and seem to overlook hispanics who make up more the the US than African Americans do.

by Anonymousreply 59January 19, 2022 1:15 PM

Use of terms like BIPOC don’t help. It’s the language of the cultural elite that mainstream America hates

by Anonymousreply 60January 19, 2022 1:29 PM

Democrats started bleeding Latino support in 2020 when Democrats and Joe Biden stopped talking about immigration to win back white voters in the rust belt. Contrary to what others are saying, Democrats need to talk about immigration MORE, not less, to win Latinos back.

However, this may hurt them with white voters in the rustbelt, which puts the electoral college at risk. So it looks like Dems are in a bind.

by Anonymousreply 61January 19, 2022 1:32 PM

The same is true of AA voter, with Charlamain the god complaining to VP Harris that Biden is not in charge and they are losing black voters. To the latinos and the AAs I say - DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE WORKING FOR YOU? FFS.

by Anonymousreply 62January 19, 2022 2:19 PM

[quote]Unless you're black, Muslim or trans, the Dems don't care, well that's what Latinos and other minority groups think.

Because based on their narrative and rhetoric, that appears to be true.

by Anonymousreply 63January 19, 2022 2:20 PM

Immigration doesn't move the needle for American Latinos. It's not a voting issue for them above abortion or taxes. They figure, we got in the "right" way, why should anyone else have it easier.

In 2020, there was plenty of immigration talk and support from Dems. And Trump was out there saying Mexicans were rapists. There was supposed to be a "Latino wave" that punished him for that. Didn't happen. Latinos handed Florida to Trump anyway.

They are by and large religious conservatives.

by Anonymousreply 64January 19, 2022 2:35 PM

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned, which I heard from a former Mexican-American colleague of mine, is that many Mexicans still remember some sort of immigration reform that Reagan did in the 80s. I guess it allowed more people from Mexico to come into the country, and many feel loyal to Republicans. Republicans also aligned with their conservative, Catholic values.

I think one of the big problems with Democrats is not having a strong, clear position on anything. All of this language has to be confusing especially if English isn’t your first language. A good example is “defund the police”, thrown out into the world, and then repeatedly clarified on Sunday morning political shows. “What we really mean is this…to be clear…blah blah” Then everyone is surprised when the cut and dry message of one party, easily delivered in a political ad, is preferred over sloppy messaging in another. Not everyone lives in college campus non-profit he/his/zir/hir world!

by Anonymousreply 65January 19, 2022 2:42 PM

R21: There is not one policy enacted after the Floyd murder that is contributing to crime. Sit down and shut up.

R49: You'll get no answer because they aren't. The Nazis have been DESPERATE to get the Asians to vote for them to kill the Negros for quite some time. They think that by saying lazy coloreds are taking Asian spots at Harvard will do it. Sick racist trolls.

The rest of this thread is just mangy bigots attacking Democrats over a stupid term academics cooked up or totally irrelevant posts trying to get Asians to join white supremacists to kill all the black people. You trolls are just sick people.

by Anonymousreply 66January 19, 2022 4:17 PM

A huge and growing number of Latinos are Pentecostals and evangelicals. They tend to vote like white nonLatin evangelicals

by Anonymousreply 67January 19, 2022 4:22 PM

Why are Democrats drill dropping the ball when it comes to media messaging to Latinos? After the disaster in Florida and Texas with Latinos in 2022? Why aren’t Dems boosting media geared toward Latinos? Incompetent

by Anonymousreply 68January 19, 2022 4:24 PM

Because R68:

[quote]Oh, fuck the Latino vote. Seriously.

And all the upvotes this hard-left extremist received. They’re the only ones sorry in the end.

by Anonymousreply 69January 19, 2022 5:04 PM

[quote]The racism on this thread is rampant. MARY!!!

Latino isn’t a race.

by Anonymousreply 70January 19, 2022 5:08 PM

R64 Many Latinos are retards and have self-hate issues.

by Anonymousreply 71January 19, 2022 5:09 PM

That's the message that will win them over, R71.

by Anonymousreply 72January 19, 2022 5:17 PM

Wait until the 2030s. The hard left and right will be a long-distant memory. Democrats will also be electable then.

by Anonymousreply 73January 19, 2022 5:21 PM

Democrats have lost their way.

They’re only interested in snowflakes and helping they’d transition.

by Anonymousreply 74January 19, 2022 5:23 PM

Democrats are only interested in being hostile and violent. Sound familiar?

by Anonymousreply 75January 19, 2022 5:25 PM

Anyone knows what Latinos did to become such a hated group on Datalounge? Why do more than half the replies here sound like they'd gladly send Latinos to the concentration camp ovens?

by Anonymousreply 76January 19, 2022 5:25 PM

And, there’s no way they’d stand a chance against Republicans. Can you imagine gay men, “queers”, trans, and whatever else versus the militia? They’d get crushed in one second.

by Anonymousreply 77January 19, 2022 5:26 PM

It's amazing how racist some of these posts have become towards Latin people when they don't toe the party line due to real issues.

by Anonymousreply 78January 19, 2022 5:30 PM

Some of these posts aren't even by Democrats. They're by racist Republicans who are taking advantage of the opportunity to voice feelings they've long held. They're trying to create a sensation of shared feelings with the raving Democrats here and eventually convert them to their side. They're always trying to pull that trick with their nonstop threads about trans and woke people.

by Anonymousreply 79January 19, 2022 5:38 PM

[quote]The Nazis have been DESPERATE to get the Asians to vote for them to kill the Negros for quite some time. They think that by saying lazy coloreds are taking Asian spots at Harvard will do it. Sick racist trolls.

R66 Negros. Coloreds.

I think YOU are sick racist troll. Fuck you.

by Anonymousreply 80January 19, 2022 5:40 PM

[quote] Anyone knows what Latinos did to become such a hated group on Datalounge? Why do more than half the replies here sound like they'd gladly send Latinos to the concentration camp ovens?

They dared to not be Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 81January 19, 2022 7:01 PM

So many angry white liberals in this thread. One would think Latinos murdered some of you guys family members. Like that old saying "the white lefty is fine with you until you stop towing the party line then their racism comes out".

by Anonymousreply 82January 19, 2022 7:04 PM

I have a friend who is a Black Jewish Puerto Rican Log Cabiner. No, really.

by Anonymousreply 83January 19, 2022 8:44 PM

R78 nobody in America is more racist or interacts less with minorities than white liberals.

by Anonymousreply 84January 19, 2022 8:48 PM

Don’t tell the white non-profit people that, they know ALL about ethnic minorities of all kinds and have them as close friends, despite never stepping foot in any of the more “urban” neighborhoods, as they would say.

by Anonymousreply 85January 19, 2022 9:00 PM

What does immigration have to do with latino voters who are third, fourth, fifth generation Americans? Absolutely nothing. That is one of the reasons Dems are failing with hispanic voters. They act like all Latinos just swam across a body of water to get here. Most were born and raised and 100% American. They need to find something else to win over the hispanic vote.

by Anonymousreply 86January 19, 2022 9:34 PM

[quote]nobody in America is more racist or interacts less with minorities than white liberals.

I must say, minorities don’t care what politics you are if you’re a white gay man. I live in a very dense black and Arab and Muslim state, and they don’t care. You’re a Republican, or Republican-leaning, I believe? Arab Catholics here vote mostly Republican and you’re still a POS to them because you’re gay. It doesn’t matter if you’re pro-life, conservative values, abstinent, etc.. Believe me. I’ve seen it. I’ve experienced it on numerous occasions. If you’re a white gay man, it doesn’t matter your politics to minorities. I don’t know about straight liberals, but as a gay man, me staying away from them, which I most certainly do, is a matter of practicality and survival.

by Anonymousreply 87January 19, 2022 9:53 PM

What is it that Latino voters want from Democrats? What are they missing out on as a bloc?

by Anonymousreply 88January 19, 2022 9:54 PM

[quote]I live in a very dense black and Arab and Muslim state, and they don’t care

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by Anonymousreply 89January 19, 2022 10:03 PM

Evangelical christianity is making major inroads in the American Latino community as well, which means guaranteed GOP votes from these people.

by Anonymousreply 90January 19, 2022 10:06 PM

[quote] How much more can Dems truly cater to Latinos?

Everyone wants what Dems are doing for the black population. No other minority matters to Democrats. Every fucking thing is BlackBlackBlack. What about Latinos or Asians or Native Americans? *crickets*

by Anonymousreply 91January 19, 2022 10:19 PM

[quote]Evangelical christianity is making major inroads in the American Latino community as well, which means guaranteed GOP votes from these people.

No - using the fact that white Catholics tend to be liberal and vote as such does not translate here. Hispanic voters are more likely to vote similarly regardless of the branch of Christianity.

by Anonymousreply 92January 19, 2022 10:23 PM

R72 We don’t care about winning them over anymore. Democrats have already done a shitload for them, and they still complain. Let them vote Republican and see how well it works out for them. They must enjoy being called rapists and criminals by Republicans and they must want all the benefits they have received taken away.

by Anonymousreply 93January 19, 2022 10:36 PM

[quote]What does immigration have to do with latino voters who are third, fourth, fifth generation Americans? Absolutely nothing. That is one of the reasons Dems are failing with hispanic voters. They act like all Latinos just swam across a body of water to get here. Most were born and raised and 100% American. They need to find something else to win over the hispanic vote.

If they’re fourth and fifth generation and they consider themselves white anyway (which many of them do), then why do they want special treatment if they consider themselves white? They need to make up their minds. They can’t claim to be a minority one minute and then play white the next.

by Anonymousreply 94January 19, 2022 10:40 PM

Wait until they have to start going after the muslim vote in 20 or 30 years, that's why dems are pushing for trans over gay matters, as muslims are accepting of a man transitioning to a woman.

by Anonymousreply 95January 20, 2022 1:30 PM


by Anonymousreply 96January 20, 2022 1:46 PM

Yes, R95.

by Anonymousreply 97January 20, 2022 2:03 PM

Muslims here do not support gay rights. Polls that show Muslims supporting gay rights do not reflect what I see here. Or experience. Muslims are monolithic as well.

by Anonymousreply 98January 20, 2022 2:05 PM

Mamy Latinos are working class, and many Latinos and Asians are shopkeepers. To treat looting, vandalism and organized robbery as unproblematic and the pursuit of "petty crimes" racist doesn't endear the Dems to their desired voters, I imagine. It's never only a shop that gets ransacked - it's probably someone's livelihood or even a whole family's source of income.

by Anonymousreply 99January 20, 2022 2:15 PM

R94 Mexican and Puerto Ricans do NOT consider themselves white. More like racist unhinged DLers consider anybody who isn’t black to be white, and therefore you hate them.

by Anonymousreply 100January 20, 2022 2:25 PM

[quote]Mexican and Puerto Ricans do NOT consider themselves white.

No you are wrong.

Puerto Ricans overwhelmingly identify as white.

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by Anonymousreply 101January 20, 2022 3:30 PM

R91 What have Black people received from Democrats other than symbolic nods towards representation? There's a reason why Black men are turning away from the Democrats. What people feel about a ruling party tends to reflect how much they think their economic interests are protected by its policies. And both Latinos and blacks are disappointed with what they've seen from Democrats nothing. Biden wasn't kidding when he told his rich donors in 2020 that nothing would fundamentally change.

by Anonymousreply 102January 20, 2022 3:52 PM

R102 well said. My life hasn't changed since I became of age and I could vote. All black people get is symbolic BLM signs and pathetic pandering from democrat politicians. Taking a knee and wearing kante cloth. Pathetic bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 103January 20, 2022 8:47 PM

[quote]There's a reason why Black men are turning away from the Democrats.

I believe it’s because of gays, personally. I never understood why blacks vote Democrat anyway. Blacks are pro-life, anti-gay. Republican racism shouldn’t keep you away.

by Anonymousreply 104January 20, 2022 8:58 PM

R1 GTFO to where? If they're voting, they're citizens, and a good start would be dropping Latinx, which they hate.

by Anonymousreply 105January 20, 2022 9:06 PM

The fastest growing ethnic/racial immigrant group in America are Asians.

The black population of America is about 14%, and if rates of intermarriage and current immigration patterns continue, is predicted by Pew Research Centre either to remain static or decrease.

When America becomes less than 50% white, it will still be a minority majority country: whites will still be the largest single voting bloc, whilst the Asians, Latinos, blacks, etc., who do not make up a unified single voting bloc, will fight for a slice of the political pie amongst them.

And, as it is, the growing Asian population is already angry about what it sees as punishment for being successful financially and academically.

by Anonymousreply 106January 20, 2022 9:18 PM

2020 was an inflection point that could mark a longterm Latin trend voting Republican. There are many reasons for this trend, but one huge reason is Democrats are not engaging in the type of sophisticated ground game and targeted media barrage Republicans are engaging in. Even now, Repubs are kicking Democrats’ asses with Latin media and voter registration

by Anonymousreply 107March 1, 2022 11:23 PM

Republicans are also doing an incredible job allying with Latinos in evangelical churches and organizations

by Anonymousreply 108March 1, 2022 11:24 PM

Now you can see shithole Latinos who got into the US because of the Democrats' policies, now want to shove their anti-progressive way of life down our throat. Why would the Democrats still want these shithole Latinos to come in after all? Being shithole, low-income laborers doesn't mean that they are progressive.

by Anonymousreply 109March 1, 2022 11:34 PM

The idea that the US will become more progressive as the white population decreases is bs.

I think the biggest issue for Hispanics and even some blacks is that the Dems are seen as soft on crime. Defund the police probably did permanent damage to the Dems with Hispanics.

by Anonymousreply 110March 1, 2022 11:40 PM

R106 Black population has been increasing, I don’t know what you’re talking about. How the hell could intermarriage erase black people with its 400 year history of black / white mixing? Something like over 50% of African Americans have white ancestry. I don’t know what theories you’re digging up but none of this is new and will decrease anything.

by Anonymousreply 111March 1, 2022 11:40 PM

Pew Research doesn’t add up.

by Anonymousreply 112March 1, 2022 11:41 PM

R110 Right. When whites become minorities, the country will still look white. Hispanic areas will simply over populate. White states aren’t going to turn brown. White people wont lose the upper hand.

by Anonymousreply 113March 1, 2022 11:44 PM

And as far as Democrats “pandering to blacks”, it’s all smoke and mirrors to pander to Latinos / Hispanics.

The voter registration drama is totally to benefit Latinos.

by Anonymousreply 114March 1, 2022 11:49 PM

R5 and R106 are correct. We're going to start seeing OP's headline with Asians soon.

by Anonymousreply 115March 2, 2022 12:29 AM

Latinos in Texas (and Texas has the US' largest Latino population) tend to be socially conservative so these fucking culture wars the GOP is promoting tend to find favor with them. It's up to Democrats to be more pragmatic and stop peddling the Latinx bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 116March 2, 2022 12:32 AM

Asians never were solidly Democratic. Many Asian ethnicity are very Republican

by Anonymousreply 117March 2, 2022 12:56 AM

R106 The fastest growing ethnic immigrant group in America is Asians.

by Anonymousreply 118March 2, 2022 1:07 AM

R111 Do the math. Blacks are 14% of the population in America. Whites are still at least 62%. The rate of intermarriage and interbreeding means that the black population will get lighter much faster than the white population will get darker.

Even if the white population falls below 50% they'll still be the largest racial voting bloc. The other 51% will be split up amongst blacks, Hispanics, Asians, none if whom are monolithic blocs. The white vote will still be crucial.

by Anonymousreply 119March 2, 2022 1:13 AM

[quote][R106] Black population has been increasing, I don’t know what you’re talking about. How the hell could intermarriage erase black people with its 400 year history of black / white mixing? Something like over 50% of African Americans have white ancestry. I don’t know what theories you’re digging up but none of this is new and will decrease anything.

No it hasn't. Read the census. it basically stayed flat between 2010 and 2020. (12.X% to 13.X% ; too lazy to look it up now)

by Anonymousreply 120March 2, 2022 1:20 AM


by Anonymousreply 121March 2, 2022 4:58 AM

They hate us...a lot.

They also like to blame us for Latino gays. We turned them that way.

by Anonymousreply 122March 2, 2022 6:05 AM

Meanwhile, Republicans hate them.

by Anonymousreply 123March 2, 2022 6:08 AM

What r122?

by Anonymousreply 124March 2, 2022 11:39 AM

NPR just had a show on how effective Republican disinformation campaigns have been in the Latin community. Democrats have nothin that can effectively fight it

by Anonymousreply 125March 2, 2022 11:40 AM

How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria Conchita Alonso?

by Anonymousreply 126March 2, 2022 12:40 PM

A lot of Latinos are insulted my Democrats’ assumption that they vote based on ethnicity

by Anonymousreply 127March 2, 2022 12:57 PM

Insulted by

by Anonymousreply 128March 2, 2022 12:59 PM

Dems calling them "brown people" doesn't help either.

by Anonymousreply 129March 2, 2022 1:24 PM

Texas Latinos have always been leery of Latino politicians because they have too much experience with Latinos getting into office to make themselves and all their relatives rich. They won't automatically vote for a Latino just because of a Spanish name. Julian Castro got nowhere in the Texas primary. He was polling in 7th. There is a half-Mexican American wannabe politician who calls herself Cristina Tzintzun Ramirez. Her real name is Cristina Costello as her father is Irish. She uses what may - or may not - be her mother's maiden name and adds on the name of her ex-husband Ramirez. She's been getting nowhere. But damn, she tries hard.

by Anonymousreply 130March 2, 2022 9:01 PM

The irony is they don't want a dictator but they may get one.

by Anonymousreply 131March 2, 2022 9:11 PM

White liberals know what's best for their POC.

by Anonymousreply 132March 2, 2022 9:19 PM

My goodie-two-shoes sister used to drive old Latinas to the polls. Then she found out they were voting for the anti-abortion candidates like the priest told them to.

by Anonymousreply 133March 2, 2022 9:46 PM

Who cares? Let them be stupid and keep voting for the same party that hates them.

by Anonymousreply 134March 2, 2022 9:46 PM

[quote]NPR just had a show on how effective Republican disinformation campaigns have been in the Latin community.

Latinos have never been known for their intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 135March 2, 2022 9:48 PM

Fuck them. They hate gay people and abortion choice.

by Anonymousreply 136March 2, 2022 9:50 PM

Lots of Latinos, like most Catholics, are hypocrites. I have a few Latinos in my extended family, my mind boggles when they talk about their 'values'. They are, of course, Republicans and total hypocrites.

Many Latinos claim to believe in 'family values', but, the men are always cheating on their wives, especially the young hot Hispanic men who are married to women, are closeted and on the down low. I've also noticed, many Hispanics claim to be opposed to welfare, food stamps etc, yet think nothing of working off the books and pulling other scams where they don't pay taxes.

The hypocrisy is glaring.

by Anonymousreply 137March 2, 2022 9:58 PM

[quote] many Hispanics claim to be opposed to welfare, food stamps etc, yet think nothing of working off the books

That's not hypocrisy, R137. Think about it.

by Anonymousreply 138March 2, 2022 10:24 PM

R138, actually it can be hypocrisy. Because in some states it helps them to qualify for benefits.

by Anonymousreply 139March 2, 2022 10:27 PM

[quote]That's not hypocrisy, [R137]. Think about it.

Actually it is, because many people [bold]honestly DO need government assistance. Especially people who actually work. [/bold] Way too many Hispanics actually buy into the 'pulling one up by the bootstraps' bullshit, which doesn't work for many.

Many people are working at low paying jobs, some cannot afford to put decent healthy food on their tables or pay their outrageous rents. It was a joke when Dump went on about so many jobs being created during his Nazi Reign, he forgot to tell his fans, the jobs created were low paying McJobs.

Lots of peoples salaries are way too low to keep up with inflation. Yet, a certain segment of Hispanics and, of course, the GOP want to cut programs which actually help people.

The US has trillions for wars, tax cuts for rich people (many who don't even own companies!) and other bullshit, but it seems where the GOP is concerned, the US can't seem to help their own. The GOP deem the working poor as "lazy" etc, meanwhile those GOP ReThugs are getting free healthcare and other perks. Hypocrisy all around.

The GOP don't even have platform, only hate and opposition! What exactly have they done for their working class voters? Nothing.

How can Americans be so damn STUPID? By voting ReThug, especially now, they are always shooting themselves in the foot.

by Anonymousreply 140March 2, 2022 10:45 PM

So what is a good way for Democrats to reach the Latinx population and win them over?

by Anonymousreply 141March 3, 2022 1:01 AM

[quote]So what is a good way for Democrats to reach the Latinx population and win them over?

That's for the well paid professionals and spin doctors in the Democrat party to figure out.

First off, Latina people don't like the word "Latinx", the Democrats, and anyone else calling them Latinx, can start there.

by Anonymousreply 142March 3, 2022 1:09 AM

Latinx is ridiculous. Unlike English, Spanish assigns genders to nouns - just like all other Romance languages. It's Latino or Latina. There is no fucking Latinx. Even funnier, 'x' isn't pronounced in Spanish.

by Anonymousreply 143March 3, 2022 2:19 AM

A huge and growing portion of Latinos today are evangelical

by Anonymousreply 144March 3, 2022 3:48 AM

Liberal whites and Blacks now use the term "LatinX" even though it's actually quite racist and "colonialist" if you think about it

by Anonymousreply 145March 3, 2022 3:51 AM

[quote]A huge and growing portion of Latinos today are evangelical

They are so stupid. In every other culture that followed Christianity or Catholicism, people have woke up and more and more people are leaving in droves, but dumb Latinos keep believing in this fairytale shit.

by Anonymousreply 146March 3, 2022 4:00 AM

Still not as racist as the shit posted here.

by Anonymousreply 147March 3, 2022 4:00 AM

And they stubbornly refuse to give it up, R145.

Guarantee if the term was quietly retired by high ranking Dems tonight, it would be weeks before anyone would notice and complain about it. And the complaint would probably be from a non-"Latinx".

by Anonymousreply 148March 3, 2022 4:02 AM

Democrats need to hit harder to drive home the point to Latinxes. Maybe host taco nights, Day of the Dead festivals, quinceneras. Their current message just isn’t resonating for some reason. Try harder. Do better.

by Anonymousreply 149March 3, 2022 5:59 AM

R127, Latinos should feel more insulted by Republican politicians' knowledge that a vote for them is a sure sign of stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 150March 3, 2022 2:32 PM

R149, I think you meant to write, "Be Best." 😉

by Anonymousreply 151March 3, 2022 2:34 PM

I think Latinos largely resent Democrats’ view of them as monolithic or different from white people

by Anonymousreply 152March 3, 2022 3:34 PM

[quote]How much more can Dems truly cater to Latinos?

Democrats don't cater to Latinos as it is evident in the southwest. Yet, Latinos always vote majority Democrat... they are the reason Democrats enjoy majorities in the House and Senate.

by Anonymousreply 153March 3, 2022 3:39 PM

[quote]I think Latinos largely resent Democrats’ view of them as monolithic or different from white people

So, I am going to tell you how ALL Latinos feel. It's ok, I don't see the hipocracy!

by Anonymousreply 154March 3, 2022 3:45 PM

R153, not so much in Texas or Florida

by Anonymousreply 155March 3, 2022 3:46 PM

[quote] Yet, Latinos always vote majority Democrat...

Well, so far anyway. That's the whole subject of this thread.

by Anonymousreply 156March 3, 2022 4:48 PM

Mexican-Americans in Texas (which is actually what they prefer to be called) are 39% of Texas' population and growing unlike Anglos or blacks. There is a significant Asian population - mainly Indian - in Texas which also tends to vote GOP.

Flipping the Latino population in Texas is the key to saving this fucking country. Beto O'Rourke scored big in the Rio Grande Valley unlike Biden who lost it to Trump. He may be the one to do it. Only problem is he is so much more socially progressive than Tejanos are.

by Anonymousreply 157March 3, 2022 5:30 PM

Anyone who uses "Democrat" as if it were an adjective cannot be trusted or considered knowledgeable.

by Anonymousreply 158March 3, 2022 5:54 PM

R152, Perhaps they all need to learn the term "demographics."

by Anonymousreply 159March 4, 2022 12:15 AM

I remember how pre-2016 election, media, Democrats, and liberals were all bragging about how demographics would doom Republicans. All we heard about was the coming Browning of America and Millennials that would guarantee a progressive future. Supposedly, demographics would soon make it impossible for Republicans to win majorities. Well, that kind of talk not only birthed a potent backlash, but also made Democrats and liberals foolishly and arrogantly think the arc of the American universe was inevitably moving toward profess. It was foolish to assume that

by Anonymousreply 160March 4, 2022 12:21 AM

White liberals think all nonwhite citizens live their lives consciously feeling "oppressed" while most nonwhite citizens just lead their lives.

by Anonymousreply 161March 8, 2022 12:16 AM

Shame on those Latinos who are forgetting their roots. Don't they know that Democrats gave them everything they have.

by Anonymousreply 162March 8, 2022 12:41 AM

Yeah, they're annoying r161. I wished they'd all just shut the fuck up and leave us the hell alone. I've reached my limit.

At least White conservatives are up front with their racism and hate. White liberals genuinely think they're better, as they condescendingly try to tell us how to think and will, legit, get a funky-ass attitude if you have the audacity to disagree with them on anything politically. So, so, tired of it.

Go home, Roger. -_-

by Anonymousreply 163March 8, 2022 12:41 AM

R161 A description of what conservatives think Liberals are thinking of. Come up with something new.

by Anonymousreply 164March 8, 2022 12:50 AM

Because, ya know, one single Latino represents the voice of the ENTIRE Latino community.

by Anonymousreply 165March 8, 2022 12:57 AM

U.S. Latinos don't want to hear Democrats giving their pitches about making illegal immigration easier and having open borders.

by Anonymousreply 166March 8, 2022 1:07 AM

Hispanic Democrats warn of the perils of dropping immigration proposals from Biden’s domestic spending bill

“If immigration were excluded from the Build Back Better bill, it would be devastating. It would cause a tremendous uproar in the immigrant community, certainly in my district,” said Rep. Jesús “Chuy” Garcia (D-Ill.), referring to the Democrats name for Biden’s proposal. “Many people would see it as a slap in the face, and it would have tremendous consequences for the future.”

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by Anonymousreply 167March 8, 2022 3:43 AM

[QUOTE] U.S. Latinos don't want to hear Democrats giving their pitches about making illegal immigration easier and having open borders.

Then who are those pitches for? Those who want to see America destroyed? I've never understood why Democrats do this.

by Anonymousreply 168March 8, 2022 5:40 AM

His district is in Chicago and full of illegals.

by Anonymousreply 169March 8, 2022 5:55 AM

Do they vote, though?

by Anonymousreply 170March 8, 2022 5:56 AM

It's the Chicago Way -- have illegals vote (and dead people too).

by Anonymousreply 171March 8, 2022 5:58 AM

He's spouting the ultra-liberal line along the lines of what is known as Black Twitter here (whatever the Hispanic equivalent).

by Anonymousreply 172March 8, 2022 9:24 AM


by Anonymousreply 173March 8, 2022 12:17 PM

Seriously. What are they going to do? Vote for Republicans?

Like Cubans? That has worked out well for them long-term, no?

Yes, Latinos will be so much better off with Republicans.

I swear, even pseudo-Democrats are getting dumber and dumber.

by Anonymousreply 174March 8, 2022 12:36 PM

Well obviously, many Latinos vote Republican

by Anonymousreply 175March 8, 2022 12:46 PM

Non-Latino R174 knows what's best for them.

by Anonymousreply 176March 8, 2022 1:19 PM

It's what's best for all of us. Today's Republican Party will continue to destroy what's left of America and one of their major targets will increasingly be minorities.

So yeah, I'm comfortable saying that at this time, the Republican party is insane, and Democrats are the only alternative and are what's best for all of us.

by Anonymousreply 177March 8, 2022 7:14 PM

[quote]Yes, Latinos will be so much better off with Republicans.

[quote]It's what's best for all of us.

Look at you trying to shift the goal posts because you realize how absolutely condescending and shitty you sounded. You ain't slick, sir/ma'am. Basically, you only care about the minority vote as far as it can further your own political ideals and agenda. Cut the bullshit about "helping minorities." You just realize that we have a lot of voting power and want that power to benefit you personally. It's not about the collective. It's not about us as minorities. It is literally all about you.

Christ, tell me you're White af without telling me you're White af. -_-

by Anonymousreply 178March 8, 2022 7:41 PM

There's a lot of difference between Latino groups. Biden stupidly thought a Latino is a Latino. He named a rich Cuban Jew who grew up in Beverly Hills as head of Homeland Security and he proceeded to make an idiot of himself, with no idea of border politics or how to manipulate the narrative. Then Biden named a generic Latino as head of Health and Human Services despite the fact he had zero qualifications.

There is a certain paternalistic attitude prevalent in the NorthEast "progressive" Democrats who think twitter is real life. I would say Biden's biggest mistake so far has been his cabinet: he picked tokens as cabinet secretaries to make twitter happy: Token White Gay, Token Native American, Two Token Latinos, Token Blacks, Token Trans and a majority of rich Jews. Biden also favored Coastal Dems who are inevitably out of touch with the rest of the country.

Blacks have been reliable Democratic voters. A slight majority of Latinos have been but they aren't a slam dunk. The Democrats have to get their act together. Latinos are far too great a segment of the population to be treated as an afterthought.

by Anonymousreply 179March 8, 2022 7:56 PM

If Twitter was real life, Biden wouldn't be President in the first place. It would have been Bernie or Warren.

by Anonymousreply 180March 8, 2022 7:59 PM

r180 Underestimates the voting power of dead people.

by Anonymousreply 181March 8, 2022 8:08 PM

We have a rightwing skunk 🦨 in our midst

by Anonymousreply 182March 9, 2022 12:08 AM

So if Trump runs again in 2024 and is the nominee, will latinos and blacks vote for him?

by Anonymousreply 183March 9, 2022 12:13 AM

Latinos will. Black men will, too, but not majority.

by Anonymousreply 184March 9, 2022 12:14 AM
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