The proposed Voting Rights bill is dead. Manchin & Sinema have killed it.

They should both be executed those goddamned fucks.

Good. Split off Jesusland and continue as a modern Republic.

Time to go nuclear on the filibuster.

They should be haggled until they die.

This has been obvious for months. I don't know why the administration and Democrats in Congress went through the pretense of holding out hope for the last year. I guess to convince the base that they were actually taking it seriously.

Manchin, Sinema and the Republicans will be vilified by history, but that's not going to improve our present.

They are all in on this. Doesn't matter which side of the aisle they are on.

We need to get the lowdown on who funds them and destroy those businesses. Corporations have no place in politics and no one should be making serious bank as a politician.

Women in general (and particularly Black women) are tired of rescuing the Democratic Party. Stop taking their votes for granted, Dems.

🎶"Stacey guides us note by note.

Stacey carries lots of clout.

Stacey says we vote, we vote.

Stacey says sit it out, we sit it out."🎶

(Sung to the tune of Blossom Dearie's "My Attorney Bernie.")

[quote]I don't know why the administration and Democrats in Congress went through the pretense of holding out hope for the last year.

They haven't been holding out hope over the last few months, it's been obvious this wouldn't pass as is, and I think this vote was just to get Sinema and Manchin on the record so they will have some repercussions to deal with.

The people who say the Democrats are in on this and have been faking it by "pretending it could pass when they knew it wouldn't" are conspiracy-minded goons.

Maybe Schumer's plan will work. It's not quite over yet.

R7: the Koch-sucker Brothers own Mancin (and his yacht) lock, stock and barrel.

R8, guess you'd rather have misogynist and racist Republicans in power!

Who says they are on the take? Not every racist wears a KKK hood or MAGA hat.

Six of one, and a half dozen of the other, R11. Non-White Americans always get fucked, it might be time for everybody to know how it feels.

[quote] Time to go nuclear on the filibuster

Umm, that’s what they refuse to do.

Yes...Manchin and Sinema are cunts.

This needs to be fought on a state-by-state level if this cannot be done through Congress.

I think the Dems overshot in hopes that the Rethugs would come to the table and negotiate some basic protections. They tried...

WTF is with those two Senators?

If they're so dead set to kill Biden's agenda they could have changed parties and made Mitch McConnell Senate Majority Leader. They are a couple of illogical twats!

Kyrsten Sinema is going down in flames. Damn that bitch to hell.

Sinema apparently has eyes on the White House and needs Republican votes but is such an imbecile she thinks she can kill voting rights and people will be so enamored of her they'll ignore that little fact.

In New York City, the City Council passed a bill that will allow 800,00 residents with Green Cards to vote in local elections beginning in 2023. It's already being challenged, claiming a city can't change the state law that requires only citizens being eligible to vote.

R20 The Bitch isn't getting anywhere near the white house.

She doesn't even look the part. She's a joke!

Manchin has never been a Dem.

Really, once we defeat the authoritarians amongst us - and we will - Kyrsten Sinema should dragged out into the street, stripped of her clothing, rolled in dog shit and then feathers and her head should be shaved for being a collaborator.

Sinema is too stupid to realise that if she wants to make a run for anything, voting rights need to be a protected. A woman will never be appointed to anything by the authoritarians in the GOP except Chief Cum Slurper.

[quote] We need to get the lowdown on who funds them and destroy those businesses. Corporations have no place in politics and no one should be making serious bank as a politician.

Great. Let's start with Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters.

[quote] Sinema is too stupid to realise that if she wants to make a run for anything, voting rights need to be a protected. A woman will never be appointed to anything by the authoritarians in the GOP except Chief Cum Slurper.

[quote] Kyrsten Sinema should dragged out into the street, stripped of her clothing, rolled in dog shit and then feathers and her head should be shaved for being a collaborator.

[quote] Non-White Americans always get fucked, it might be time for everybody to know how it feels.

Wow. Some of you bitches are truly batshit crazy. Or are these all from just one lone nutjob?

Mail-In Votes are the most vulnerable to fraud.

It's hysterical to me to hear how the Far Left if panicked that the Filibuster won't be canceled because then the Republicans will use its absence later to abusively pass their agenda. Uh... want to think that one through, bitches? Leave the filibuster alone and the Bill would have a much better chance of passing. It's the same God damn shit every time. The Dems load up bills with smelly shit and then freak out that the kernel of original goodness got shot down. SMDH.

[quote]Mail-In Votes are the most vulnerable to fraud.

And yet, Republican audit after Republican audit found virtually none.

It was obvious months ago that Sienna and Manchineel wouldn’t change the filibuster rules. Ditto for voting for BBB. Does Niden like to fail or is he being forced into this by the useless and stupid progressives?

Sinema and Manchin…autocorrect gone mad

So a couple of moderate cunts once again block everything useful and ... it's the fault of progressives. Never the fault of the ever wise and saintly centrists, cause that's just inconceivable! Just ask the brain dead media. It MUST be somehow magically the fault of AOC and the evil squad. What a bunch of whores centrists and their supporters are.

[quote]This needs to be fought on a state-by-state level if this cannot be done through Congress.

Unfortunately, in most cases, that means this must be fought in every heavily gerrymandered legislature designed to do jack shit about anything other than feeding the rich.

Biden needs to show he can be effective. One L after another hurts him and the party. Dems appear to have lost touch with reality pushing bills they know will fail. Stupid.

To the pearl clutching, hysterical brain dead liberal/progressive woke morons on this thread - what country do you live in???We have a Constitution that is divided into three branches of government preventing your berserk idea that fascism is about to be the lay of the land in 2024. Grow up, and stop being deranged screaming mimi's.

Well some Dems have certainly lost touch with reality. Manchin thinks that the Republicans are still basically good people earnestly seeking to make a better country and not a gang of crazed baboons howling for blood and fascism. And Sinema is a quirky little dingbat who doesn't know what the fuck she wants or what to do about anything but has some vague and stupid belief that she'll be president of a magically united country someday, cause she's just so gosh darn cute. god, why do we always have to get the stupid flakes while they get crazy cult members who actually do fall in line when the time comes?

Exactly R33. The U.S. is one of - if not, THE - richest nation in the world but they don't want to invest in sorely needed infrastructure that would only increase their competitiveness in the global economy. It's all short-sighted "I want to stuff my own pockets first" conservatism.

R36, you're not paying attention. The need for shoring up our voting rights has nothing to do with the Constitution, though that is certainly under threat as well. It's what's happening at a state level that is threatening our democracy.

Also, I guess you didn't notice during Trump's presidency how easily the other 2 branches of gov't can be stymied in the face of complete lawlessness. Oh well.

Democrats always need a "Lieberman" in the party to use as a scapegoat for why they can't ever do anything. They're just trying so hard, you guys!

What about the Republicans they voted for Voting Rights in GW Bush's administration and there are still 12 of them in the Senate. That said Manchin and Sinema are both cunts.

And Kyrsten Sinema was classless making that speech on the floor of the Senate. Right before Biden was going up there. She is so delusional.

There is a voting rights bill some Rs will vote for. Biden should support that one. Instead of supporting bills that are sure losers to placate the left of the party.

When people crossed Bill Clinton there were surprise affair or financial malfeasance revelations — he dispatched three speakers this way. His never stuck, but he made sure theirs did. Biden needs to stop all this healing crap and inflict fear and pain, it’s the only language these people understand. If they aren’t being audited or indicted, he’s not doing his job. And Schumer has to go; binder-throwing comb bitch can enforce with more muscle.

Sinema is a lying fake bisexual who used the gay community to get herself elected, so the gay community needs to dig up enough dirt to bury her to her lying neck.

They're racist fucks.

Don't give those two any slack. They both voted down the minimum wage increase at the behest and hefty "donations" from the US Chamber of Commerce. (Sinema walked past the turtle and gave him an affectionate little back pat on her way to vote). She was so "adorable" when she gave her little curtsy with her thumb down-wearing her latest fashion purchase from Forever 21 Outlet. They are actively tanking Biden's agenda-and the US citizens.m. Sure they passed infrastructure-which will benefit many corporations. And, to a certain extent, states.

She and Manchin never had any intention to pass BBB or voting rights-they are owned byMoscow Mitch and Charles Koch and K Street-and they already got paid to sabotage their constituents and the President. They can't turn back nor do they want too. I don't believe either one intend to run again-at least not as Democrats. And yes R45 you nailed it-she lies about everything . Somehow I find her even dirtier and uglier than Joe Manchin. He at least talks to the press and tries to feign interest in democracy.

Erm R43? The voting rights bill they're trying to pass is the one WRITTEN by Manchin.

The Left of course means pretty much every House and Senate Democrat, and the vast majority of the Democratic Party. The mainstream is a couple of assholes in the Senate.

If Manchin snd Sinema died n a plane crash tomorrow the Senate would go to 52 Republican to 48 Dems.. Then see what Biden could accomplish.

Sinema is a thoroughgoing cunt.

None of which obligates them to be crazy ridiculous cunts today r50. Pass bills that would help their constituents and not just their fucking donors or their stupid fucking ego driven fantasies. What a goddamn concept!

[quote] nor do they want too.

Oh, dear!

I don’t get wasting mental energy focusing on things that can’t be changed at this time. Try to make something else happen. Oh well.

Note Liz Cheney voted against Voting Rights Act.

No heroine she.

Sinema on our Democracy...

[quote]Mail-In Votes are the most vulnerable to fraud.

Link, r28?

There are so many who cannot afford to buy a photo ID. Now because of this they will not get the assistance they need.

So what's the plan now? That Sinema and Manchin are deliberately sabotaging democrats shouldn't surprise anybody anymore. They always said they don't want to kill the filibuster. Dirty money is lining both of their pockets and they have no decent fibre left in their body. They put their greed over the survival of democracy.

Why then were the democrats optimistic that the voting rights act would pass??

What's the next step for democrats, what's the game plan now??

Lot of executive orders, R60.

And Sinema is LGBT. It makes me so ashamed that she is one of us.

No self respecting lesbian should ever go near this pussy.

Sunny Hostin on The View has been trashing Biden all week long, placing the blame at his feet for Voting Rights being stalled. She criticized Biden and Harris going to Georgia and said it was just "Perfomative" and there was no reason why they had to be there.

She also thinks Biden should take notes from "The Squad" on how to get things done. (I kid you not)

Can Joe Biden put through the Voting Rights act as an executive order?

[quote] And Sinema is LGBT.

All of them?

A lot of black people didn’t want Biden in GA re:voting rights because they feel it’s “cultural appropriation” of Stacey Abrams’ project. That’s why Stacy refused to be there, Biden was stealing her thunder.

And she’s pissed she didn’t get VP spot, especially after the shit Kamala pulled in debates.

Joe Biden praised Stacey Abrams, saying she will be president one day. If the KHive nutters hadn't been so aggressive pushing incompetent Kamala for VP, it would be Stacey, Val or Amy Klobuchar now.

[quote]A lot of black people didn’t want Biden in GA

Not true. Only four organizations out of dozens didn't show up.

It was LaTosha Brown who made a huge stink over Biden going there, and then went on Joy Reid's show to bitch about all of it the day of the ceremony.

Brown, Reid and Hostin are good friends, BTW. And all have been apparently been using the same talking points in their appearances this week, throwing Biden and Harris under the bus, and propping up the Squad. Black Twitter is not happy.

Abrahams didn't go, but a sent a message the following day saying Biden had her full support. She's not stupid.

How do you ask the President of the United States to take notes from Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, who hasn't accomplished a single victory so far? Laughable.

[quote] There are so many who cannot afford to buy a photo ID. Now because of this they will not get the assistance they need.

What the fuck are you talking about?

That's bullshit, R67.

R68 and R69

I want everyone in this thread to look at these 2 referenced posts and realize they are both trolls. One is trying to demoralize turnout by attacking Harris and the other is trying to inflame intraparty tensions by attacking AOC. Notice how neither of these trolls focus on the 2 Senate cunts but rather try to attack two people who are in favor of changing the filibuster to actually achieve something. Classic misdirection trolling. Cut the crap, both of you.

[quote]Maybe Schumer's plan will work. It's not quite over yet.

What's Schumer's plan??

I'm not a troll, idiot @ R72

How do you explain my comment I wrote @ R60??

-R68

Thanks R72. The racist, misogynist, divisive trolls on DL are NOT republicans though.

Sure you're a total misogynist and racist if you had preferred Stacey Abrams and Val Demings over Kamala.

Idiots, just fuck off!

- R68, R60, R73, R74

R58, if you're so curious,, find it yourself. If you won't look, it's not that important to you, since you're just trying to be bitchy

So shameful that we live in the richest country on the planet and yet millions here cannot afford a simple photo ID.

R74: Yes you are. Your R60 comment attacks the Democrats for having no plan when it was the Dyke who went up there to classless-ly undercut Biden and Schumer. h/t R42 for that correct analysis.

Then you start attacking Kamala Harris for no goddamn reason. And you do so using talking points from the right wing i.e. incompetent, bad at politics, blah blah fucking blah. All blatantly untrue.

If you don't like being called out, then don't come up in here and post bullshit. Simple as that, babe.

How can you function in this country without a photo ID card? How do you get a job, or cash government checks, or rent an apartment, or frankly do anything? This is such a bullshit ploy to make the blatantly obvious requirement of proving you are a U.S. Citizen to vote in a U.S. election sound racist, classist, and cruel. Call it what it really is, a desperate gambit to have a couple million illegals vote for Tammany Ha-- I mean Biden and the Dems.

Your argument makes no sense R79. No matter how hard you try!

- R60

I had R72 already blocked, so I didn't see the stupidity in full glory.

My post defending Biden and calling out the foolishness of those who say to listen to a newbie over a seasoned politician is "trolling"?

I want R72 to provide a list of the bills that AOC and "The Squad" for that matter has created, worked on and gotten passed. Since I'm clearly trolling, this should be easy to do.

I'll wait.....

One of the reasons I voted for Biden is because he claimed (a la LBJ) he knew the Senate so well he could work across the aisle and get shit done. And he can't. Why hasn't he been working with Murkowski, Romney, Toomey? And the left demonizing Manchin was counter-productive: he barely won in 2018 and is up for reelection in a state Trump won by 40 pts. FFS

Biden pushed infrastructure then BBB so all the BernieBros could please their isolated little dark blue districts. FFS

The only thing that matters is voting rights. This should have been his first priority. Nothing else is important compared to this. But Biden surrounds himself with a bunch of people from NY and LA who can't comprehend voting matters because Dems always get elected in their states. FFS

[quote]Lot of executive orders, [R60].

Could you please elaborate on this R61.

R83

Has this been asked and answered yet?

If it is dead, at least bring it up for a vote in the Senate and put EVERYONE on record. Why not?

From the U.K., reading this thread and G00gling fascinated, but not fully understanding. Could some kind soul summarise for an outsider?

R87 in the follow-up to Sore Loser Trump's inability to admit he lost, all his minions throughout state legislatures (in 19 states) enacted voter suppression laws. Notably, laws to make it possible for the state legislature to overturn election results which don't favor the Republican. They're also trying to prevent minorities and college kids from voting because they don't vote Republican. There are laws allowing 'partisan pollwatchers' to harass people inside polling stations - no doubt while toting AK-47s.

Waiting for that list from R72.......

There no list R89, #AlwaysOnCamera is one of the least effective house members.

Yesterday on MSNBC they had a black woman pundit I didn't recognize, but obviously connected to The Squad. She was saying as voting rights is dead in the water, Biden needs to cancel student debt now to get a win from the base. The base? What about people who have already paid off their debts? What about people who will go to college in the future and have to incur debts? What about all those prolos the BernieBros claim to represent who could never afford to go to college in the first fucking place? I swear these idiots spend all their time attacking Democrats and never Republicans.

R87: In the US, voting is dependent on which state you are in, and often which county. Like the layout of your ballot, how one gets on the ballot, it differs in all 50 states and the territories. There is no national standard for voting over here. We are the only developed democracy that doesn't have a national voting standard. This bill would finally fix that. But in order for the Senate to vote on the bill, they have to agree to end debate. You need 60 votes in the Senate to invoke cloture, which limits further debate to 30 hours and then a vote on the actual bill. There are not 60 votes to end debate and do that.

So, we need to change the rules to at the least eliminate that 60 vote threshold for this important legislation. We need 50 votes to do that but the bisexual Senator from Arizona went on the floor of the Senate to say she won't support doing that. And neither will the dumbass Senator from West Virginia. So there we are.

Think of it this way: the county you are in in the UK decides that since you didn't vote in the last council election, you're off the voter rolls and they don't tell they removed you. You go to vote at the next Parliamentary election and they tell you you're off the rolls and you had to be on 28 days before the election. Too bad, no vote for you, go home. That's the kind of shit states are doing now over here.

R92 in Texas the GOP (not the sharpest knives in the drawer) enacted a new law which requires people to provide both a Social Security number AND a Driver's License Number (it used to be either or) on the application to vote by mail. Now it has been legal in Texas for decades to vote by mail if you are disabled or over 65.

So far, half the mail-in applications submitted have been refused because applicants didn't put in both numbers. Now, who is it who wouldn't have a Driver's License in Texas? Elderly people who have let them lapse and disabled people who never had a DL to begin with. People over 65 are the GOP's base in Texas. And as disabled people won't be able to vote because they don't have a DL, I guess Greg Abbott won't be able to vote for himself.

R64. Sunny Hostin should be blaming Obama and Oprah who were called in to sweet talk /twist the arm of Manchin to get rid of fillibuster for voting rights-like he and Sinema did for debt ceiling. If the dynamic duo/tag team of Oprah and Obama couldn't close the deal-why not call in George Soros? Sinema is a lying liar who lies. She has always made sure to claim she is bisexual-not lesbian lately. She may as well be asexual 'cuz no self respecting dick or pussy either would go near that stinking' cunt.

[QUOTE] Now, who is it who wouldn't have a Driver's License in Texas? Elderly people who have let them lapse and disabled people who never had a DL to begin with.

Uh, hellllooo R93 you can get non-driver's photo ID at the DMV easily.

Biden is so impotent. LBJ would twist arms, legs, and other body parts to get landmark legislation passed.

Really r80? Even though every gun nut, every racist, every whore for the rich, in other words every Republican legislator in the country, would love nothing more than to find millions of illegal immigrant votes, nobody can find them. Maybe you just need to look harder, or maybe you need to stop being such ridiculous stupid twats and let people vote even if they're not guaranteed to be Trump Cult votes.

Also too, everybody, while it's nice to imagine a magical LBJ sweeping in to make it all come true, LBJ had a Senate with 66 Democrats and 34 Republicans and a House that was also overwhelmingly Democratic when he took over. It makes a difference having a tie, with a couple of asshole flakes on the Democratic side.

Biden is in a tough situation with a 50/50 Senate. The blue wave never appeared in 2020,so,Dems,barely control the House and Senate. Blame the genius progressives who thought defund the police was a great slogan! That’ll be back in 2022 and should be a real winner with murders going through the roof in mist big urban centers.

…most

Oh blame a million things r99, including gerrymandering, but also the fact that the Senate is designed to give outsized power to rural, empty, but overwhelmingly white states. Defund the Police is a stupid damn slogan, but it really is a small part of a much larger, much more structural problem.

R98 Young folks, back in the day the Democrats included a shitload of racist Southern Democrats. They only became Republicans after LBJ passed Civil Rights and Voting Rights. Nixon welcomed them into his Big Tent using his Southern Strategy.

LBJ's Democratic majority was made up of a lot of racist Southern Democrats who voted against the Civil Rights Bill. So he had to recruit Everett Dirksen and a shitload of GOP to pass it.

In the Senate, 46 Democrats voted for and 21 against; 27 Republicans voted for, and only 6 voted against the bill. That makes 69% of the Dems and 82% of the Republican senators voted to pass the law.

R95 is that you notorious closet case Bryan Hughes? Hang around the DL a lot, do ya? First of all, who is going to drive those little old ladies, those people with cerebral palsy to the DMV and sit there with them for 6 hours while they try to get an ID.

So sad that neither the GOP's base - old folks - or Greg Abbott will be able to vote. Oh, well.

Here is a beautiful photo.

[quote] First of all, who is going to drive those little old ladies, those people with cerebral palsy to the DMV and sit there with them for 6 hours while they try to get an ID.

Well if that were the case, then who's going to take them to vote?

Maybe they can use absentee ballots r105.

Oops, except they are of the Devil, and Goody Benson used one once and burned right up, yup, right there in her front yard!

R99, and we can thank AOC, Sanders, and their pals for that. Repugs latch on to their extremist ideologies and really, just quote their nonsense when running against them.

Thanks R102. Important history lesson.

No we can't r107. No amount of demonizing the very few progressives in Congress makes up for the fact that the main problem is white panic. White people are still a majority of the country and a lot of us are going into an absolutely embarrassing and shrieking panic about the fact that black and brown people might outnumber us soon. That is what is making so many white people cling to even the most obvious frauds and crazies, as long as they are White, in congress.

Kyrsten Sinema has a huge dirty hairy smelly pussy with big cuntflaps.

Also agree with r108 about r102. I think LBJ benefited enormously from the Democratic majority when it came to his Great Society programs, but everything Civil Rights was a much more difficult balancing act requiring political genius.

Also too, where in the goddamn hell is Robert Caro's final volume on LBJ???

Should clarify: When I say a lot of us at r109, I don't mean I agree. I mean this is the ugly white truth right now.

R105 aka Dumb Person - people over 65 and people with disabilities have been able to vote by mail in Texas for the past 20 years with no issue. Up until Sore Loser Donnie Trump couldn't admit he was a big, fat loser.

Need a national ID card.

What is really funny is the people currently shrieking and howling about vaccine mandates would be shrieking and howling about anything approaching a national ID card, except that Trump and the Republicans would order them not to.

She is an enema of sin. He is neither a man nor chinned.

Lots of false info here. First, Manchin's family has been big in democratic circles for generations in West Virginia. He is a dem.

Second, Stacey Abrams is not going to tell Black women to stay home. If Trumpers took over the country, and that is highly likely if dems lose the House and Senate, the Black women will suffer most. Trump or his replacement will go back to dismantling the country, giving all the assets to the super rich. The bills passed on the Biden agenda, if they see the light of day, will go to funding grifters for phony projects. SCOTUS will have free reign to turn back the laws. And MAGAS will roam the country taking whatever they want, with impunity. Bad cops will continue to kill minorities and get away with it. So Stacey will not be telling Black women to stay home and not vote.

Show me anything about Sinema eyeing the WH. She comes off like a bimbo and, frankly, if she's been bought, she's very unsubtle about it. She has no good arguments for opposing filibuster reform and she understands clearly what current filibuster rules will do in terms of voting rights. It's like someone paid her to make that speech on the Senate floor this week, upstaging Biden. She has no chance to get anywhere in a presidential primary for either party. Oh, and which of those LGBT letters is she? I'd go for G--grifter.

Finally, no one mentions that worthless POS Schumer. Mitch McConnell has a caucus with crazies Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, plus a few other far out types. He has managed to do better in the minority than Schumer has with the majority. And he's pretty much kept the stench off himself, relatively speaking. I think if Amy Klobuchar were Majority Leader, both Manchin and Sinema would have been rounded up and managed by now. If dems lose the Senate I will blame Schumer. He insisted on being majority leader in a time of crisis, even though he doesn't have the persuasive power, the courage, or, frankly, the brains. Biden has his own branch of government to manage. With his party in the majority in the Senate, he should not have to worry about it as he cleans up Trump's mess and tries to navigate a worldwide pandemic, other international situations and keep federal agencies moving forward. Schumer needs to do the right thing, and, if he won't, the majority needs to take that leadership position away from him.

I am not going to pretend Schumer is some great leader, but I will say McConnell has the much more easy job. The Republican Party is a combination of Trump Cult and Whores for the Rich. Rich Donors can order most Republican Senators to do whatever they want, no matter what they pretend to stand for, and honestly they don't stand for much other than being whores for the rich, so there is that. So in the end, they kind of are on the same page all the time, despite any pretense about libertarians versus evangelicals or any of that shit. And then there's Trump. They all know that in the end they answer to the Cult. They can squirm and scrounge and play make believe, but in the end, the Trumpista base keeps them all in line and facing in the same direction.

Schumer is dealing with a tougher situation. Most Democrats are interested in expanding government, doing something about climate change, but a couple of cuntish flakes named Manchin and Sinema are more interested in being noticed, being seen, playing some fucking game of their own, and there is not solid devotion to the rich or some cult to keep them in line when they go off on their crazy tangents.

[quote] aka Dumb Person - people over 65 and people with disabilities have been able to vote by mail in Texas for the past 20 years with no issue. Up until Sore Loser Donnie Trump couldn't admit he was a big, fat loser.

Well, since I'm a dumb person, explain to me why they need a photo ID if they're voting by mail? If your point is that mail-in voting is going to be eliminated (and again, that sounds like typical Far Left hysteria), then they'll still need help getting to the polls just as they would to get the ID in the first place. I know I'm just a dumb person, but you sound a little unhinged. Well, more than a little actually.

R119 aka Dumb Person they now need to have a photo ID to vote by mail - something Texans over 65 and with disabilities have been doing for 20 years without a photo ID because an idiot in the Texas Legislature decided it would impress Donnie Trump.

Dear Unhinged Person -

So then you're saying they now need a photo ID in order to get the application (now in person, presumably) to then vote by mail from home?

BTW, why would this be a Republican strategy? The elderly mostly vote Republican. Why would the Right wing wouldn't want to disenfranchise one of their voting blocks

Sinema is just another Tulski Gabbard. A chaos agent paid by dark money to disrupt democrats.

Here ya go R117:

Wow never realized gays are so much into communism and far-left ideals. But they would not date or be seen with a gay POC. What gives?

Do you need a moment r124? Do you need to process something?

Look, Biden gave them a year. Obviously they don't really care about their country or party. It's amazing to see videos of Sinema and how she was elected. Now she is nothing like that person. She was bought and should be ashamed of herself. Make them vote so they are on record as being lowly cowards and purchased. Cunt.

R121 you can look up the form to apply to vote by mail in Texas - in whatever county. Currently half of all the applications submitted in Travis Co. (Austin), Bexar Co. (San Antonio) and Harris Co. (Houston) have been refused claiming insufficient information. Odd that all 3 counties are Democratic bastions, isn't it?

[quote]Wow never realized gays are so much into communism and far-left ideals.

like voting?

R128: These trolls are just pathetic at this point. Just stupid buzzwords, COMMUNISM, FAR LEFT, SJW, AAAIIIIIEEEEE!!!!!

Red tagging needs to become fashionable again.

Socialism …real Socialism is the taking over of private companies by the government. I wish they would say that when they call Ds socialist

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Try going back to either the homepage or another topic, then come back to this.

That usually works for me.

R131: Refresh the browser, pull down your pants, wag your penis back and forth, making sure it smacks both of your thighs twice, and then do a helicopter with it. If your problems continue, please mail your computer and credit card with PIN to tech support.

Good thing you didn’t tell me to do that.

My schmingy doesn’t get anywhere near my thigh no matter what I do.

Unfortunately, I’m hung like an elevator button.

what straight man would go near her, she looks like she's got multiple STDs

Don't forget *radical*, r129.

R6, stop it.

R86 - “ Has this been asked and answered yet? If it is dead, at least bring it up for a vote in the Senate and put EVERYONE on record. Why not?”

That’s part of Schumer’s plan. he announced, I believe a little over a week ago, that he’s bringing it to a floor vote.

Good. Fuck these naysayer anti-democratic senators/ congressmen. Get them on record, and let their persecutions begin.

[quote] Odd that all 3 counties are Democratic bastions, isn't it?

Not really. It says more about the intelligence level of the people in those counties who can't even fill out a form properly.

The form actually says you can either give you SS number OR your DL number. And then in the fine print on the back, it says both must be given.

The person who invented the voter suppression bill is chubby pint-sized Cowboy Curtis wannabe Briscoe Cain who famously went through gay conversion therapy, threatened to shoot Beto O'Rourke and who memorably attacked a bill in the Texas House to provide funding for palliative care in hospices because, according to him, palliative care = Sarah Palin's death panels. He was fully humiliated when a GOP House member who was also a physician had to give him the definition of palliative care.

Kyrsten Sinema is a highly paid circus animal, doing tricks and stunts that her corporate and private far-right donors pay her to do.

Sinema and Manchin are no mystery when you understand that, in their hearts, they have come to embrace the white supremacist's ideology. This has become abundantly clear given their current alliances in Congress and elsewhere. This ideology has become the overriding "to-the-death" goal of today's Republican party. Trump is viewed as the GOP's most efficient conduit to achieve this goal, but white supremacists (this term includes teachers, doctors, actors, police officers, politicians, grocery clerks, grandmothers, etc) have figured out the means of getting it done without Trump if/when it becomes necessary. The ideology is, of course, built on fear: fear of the groups of people that "whites" have marginalized and oppressed for centuries, fear of retaliation, fear of vengeance, fear of reprisal. Ridiculously unfounded fears. There is no national movement of a single minority group to hasten this change of balance, which has been developing naturally since the country's formation. What is certain, however, is that these attempts to destabilize our government will, in the end, have catastrophic consequences for all levels of society. I also believe that it's too late to stop this chain of events. The movement has grown far beyond the control of its architects.

Getting back to the focused topic, even more sinister is the list of companies and wealthy donors throwing money at Sinema (linked below), the same ones likely funding Manchin as well. This demonstrates that the push for the destabilization of our current form of government goes deeper than the superficial list of GOP political actors. Dark corporate money is funding this gargantuan effort. It is the Final Push. Whether this country resurfaces after 2024 as an autocracy, an oligarchy, or as a series of disbanded and disputed states is all that remains to be seen.

Sinema’s donors: Groupon, GAP, Carvana, Blackstone, SC Johnson, DirectTV, Slimfast, Intuit, Crypto Kings, Sheryl Sandberg, Snowflake Inc, Hyatt, Cleveland Browns, Apple, Disney, & more

Some activist biggie on twitter insists Sinema is running for the Dem nomination for Prez in 2024 as a blue dog Dem aka the new Tulsi Gabbard. There's definitely blood in the water about Biden and Harris.

R8 Who is this Blossom person... Frishberg is classic.

Sinema is my hero. A truly stunning and brave feminist.♥️

She is a fucking purchased cunt. I hope she starts to get called out for the fucking money whore she is. She tried to convince us she meant well. Fucking cunt bitch. Go enjoy your money you filthy cunt

Her and Joe Manchin need to stoned by Americans. Fucking filth. You fuck over your party like that you fucking filth.

Sinema's bait and switch....I'm sure a lot of those big backers and donors didn't know she would pull this shit.

Isn't it pretty much a given that Sinema will be gone if she runs for reelection? Aren't her approval numbers back home under the toilet? That may not help now, but hopefully the bitch will be history soon enough.

R148 Arizona barely turned blue and could revert in the next election which is also why Sinema's playing this game. As for Manchin, Trump won West Virginia by 40 pts in 2020 so it's an absolute miracle there is even a blue dog Dem as a Senator. You can't expect too much. He's also fighting for his survival.

While it is frustrating to deal with problems in your own party just imagine the Senate with Mitch as the Majority Leader. Manchin being a Dem even in name only is a miracle. Biden should have sat down a year ago and figured out what Manchin and Sinema would vote for. Strip bloated BBB into digestible pieces that would be popular like Child Tax Credit and pass that. Instead they have a bloated whale no can adequately explain and it still won't pass. And all the partisans just seethe with hatred against two Dem Senators and just make Republicans stronger.

R150 and Biden should have tried to get Romney, Toomey, Murkowski on board. He's been spending too much time listening to the progressive caucus which only represents isolated, dark-blue districts and isn't representative of the rest of the country.

Amen, R150 & R151.

Schumer has announced that the Senate will be debating this bill tomorrow (1/18).

Wheeeee!

Schumer spends most of his time trying to get Biden to cancel student debt so he won't be primaried by AOC.

We've now got 153 posts here by two people and dollars to donuts neither of you really know what the bill says.

So why not take the time to read it then continue with an informed discussion.

Why would Biden need to talk to Mittens and any Repubs. The Repub in Senate refused to even allow debate over the bill-the main one and the one lamely proposed by Joe Manchin who "said he was just sure he could get 10 Reubs to vote with him. Zero did.

It is well known in Washington that Sinema especially and Joe Manchin have been recruited by Mitch to make him the REAL Majority leader. Two Democratic Senators are doing everything in their power to obstruct and kill the Biden Presidency. They are being well paid .That is ALL.

R156 if Manchin and Sinema flipped to GOP tomorrow, Mitch would be the Majority Leader tomorrow so that doesn't make sense

Sinema is another Tulsi Gabbard.

Sinema is a pharmaceutical industry puppet. They bought her along with some other special interests.

Manchin is a Dino bought by the fossil fuel industry.

Sinema and Manchin are thoroughly corrupt. And Sinema has the worst fashion sense I've ever seen in a pudgy 45 year old formerly fatty. She is a POS. Mitch McConnell started back door meetings with these two right before the vote on min. wage increase. Hell Sinema made enough off that transaction to buy herself a custom made Fuck Off ring. It's really all about the bejamins for these two pieces of rancid fecal material.

I blame Schumer. That asshole is totally ineffectual and all he cares about is sucking up to Israel to get the Jewish vote in NY. He should be replaced by Amy Klobuchar. She'd kick some asses.

What R160 said. I have said that about Schumer since he first stepped on the scene as a Congressman back in 1993. He’s an ineffectual, woosie, who never misses a chance to pat himself on the back. Nauseating and unnerving.

[quote]I knew Marsha would be the idiot Senator sending out a tweet honoring Dr. King’s legacy… while all of her actions on voting rights are in direct opposition of his efforts.

[quote]If she believes this, she must vote for #FTVA #VotingRightsForMLK #MLKDay #WeDreamOfVotingRights

I wonder what the reaction will be when Schumer forces a vote on breaking the filibuster and 4 other Dems vote against it?

R163. Good try Bozo. The only 2 holdouts on this issue remain these 2 scum sucking bottom feeders. Mitch McConnell sure knew which 2 senators to target who completely lack integrity and are just willing to do or say anything for a quarter, nickel or dime. "Kyrsten Sinema is like the filibuster-an anti-democratic tool". Stephan Colbert. Ditto Joe Manchin. Thankfully the gloves are continuing to come off. Sen. Barbara Lee- paraphrasing "Sinema and Manchin aren't siding with the filibuster-they are siding with Donald Trump and the Republicans" Tim Kaine-"Joe Manchin is a friend and like his other "friends " in the Senate none of us understand what he is talking about defending the filibuster and not voting rights". Not to mention Clyburn, Warnock ,Teste,r Maggie Hassan etc.

Somebody needs to tell Sinema McConnell will have no use for her. Ditto Joe Manchin. If they turn on their own party and constituents they are untrustworthy. They will be pariahs in Democrats and Republican circles.

Let the fallout begin. Bury this cunt!

Does Chicken Salad Chick support them?

Democratic Party is a scam operation.

Whether or not Datalounge forum members ever realize this…

hope they both get raped

trump will definitely be reelected and we will have an authorization government with repubs in full control.

enjoy civilization white it lasts!

MARY!!

R5 They wanted to make a point, obviously. They tried, but OF COURSE, Republicans have stopped any progress.

R8 You are neither Black nor a woman. You tried it tho.

R29 THAT'S hilarious. You think without the filibuster, it would've had a better chance at passing? By that group of bitter, old, small-dicked pieces of shit who stopped maturing in their teens?

Manchin will make his hypocritical speech on the voting rights bill and filibuster rules at approximately 4:30 pm ET on CSPAN2.

I meant authoritarian lol*

I'm watching Manchin right now. Not surprisingly, he's repeating all of the same talking points Bitch McConnell made just yesterday. He also asked all of his "fellow Democrats" to respect his decision (to vote against the bill and against getting rid of the filibuster) and not to attack him for it. Disgusting fuck.

The Senate is about to vote to change the filibuster rule to pass voting rights. Of course we all know that the measure will fail.

Thanks, Joe Manchin.

Thanks, Kyrsten Sinema.

Evil fucks.

True to their word, Manchin and Sinema have a voted against a change in the filibuster rule. This was the death knell for American democracy.

Link to the SCOTUS ruling (PDF file)

Clarence should recuse himself but that would require some basic respect for the country or of himself, of which he has neither.

MSNBC just showed a clip of Republican Senators going up to Kyrsten Sinema after tonight's vote to shake her hand for effectively helping to kill the John Lewis Voting Rights bill. She was dressed all in red.

Oops. Wrong thread at R178.

these 2 corporate shills are SCUM

they both right wing billionaire donors who they're listening to over their own voters and the good of democracy

this will be their legacy

if congress falls into repub hands after the midterms this is partly on them. The repubs have shown they will not give up power again with their autocratic moves

Here's Kyrsten Sinema (in red) happily shaking hands with her GOP buddies after the vote earlier tonight

So U.S. Americans: vote for the party that doesn't want you to vote.

No, Republicans killed it. Sinema and Manchin were bought off.

Sinema should enjoy her next 3 years as senator. Her career is over after that. She is now definitely getting a primary. She is now 1 of the most hated women in the country. congrats traitor

unfortunately we're stuck with Manchin. West Virginia is moving redder and redder and it doesn't seem any other Democrat could win a statewide election there

[Quote] We need to get the lowdown on who funds them and destroy those businesses. Corporations have no place in politics and no one should be making serious bank as a politician.

This is a start.

check this out

People need to come to terms with the reality that the 1% have already made a determination to transition our government into an outright, autocratic fascist regime. The narrative is being laid down in their corporate controlled media in order to smooth the way for it. Biden can try to deny it otherwise, but this is the plan. Unless the public has a mass awakening to this reality and resists it by any means necessary, then the US will turn into the fourth reich, not necessarily with Trump helming the fascist ship.

Crossing the aisle is not uncommon in parliamentary systems. The Democrats failed to win sufficient seats in the Senate. Sinema and Manchin should NOT be the end of everything. The Electoral College in the US is INSANE. Midterms are stupid constructs. Give the chose party a chance to govern. The US loves to be in continual election cycles. You're far too attached to "winners" and "losers."

You have no representation by population, which is the basic law of democracy. AND you vote for local representation SEPARATELY from your president - which is insane. Choose a side and a party. American politics rely far too much on personality. There are five better people who could have been the Democratic President. But Americans are petty and afraid about women and progressives.

Democrat Presidents proved to be weak leaders in the last 30 years. Even and especially Obama. The United States would not be where it is if Obama had done a few things differently. About the Supreme Court and most importantly about what he allowed before the election in 2016. He made no comment on Russian interference and allowed the lie of the Comey report to go unanswered. He was jokey about Trump - when the world was in real danger. Fascism does await your country. You're already in a virtual civil war. The art of the possible is dead. Only progressives or violent uprising can save your now.

Anyone else remember ABSCAM?......Maybe it's time for the FBI to look into updating that investigation?.....

Why didn't those two just run as Republicans?

question = Politicians are not voting for their states anymore. They vote for their own personal interest. Which makes you wonder WHAT they (the politicians) are getting out of it...

what I wish would happen is rich Democrats to throw money at Manchin and Sinema

who was that guy from California who ran for President in 2020 but had no chance? What's he doing with his money?

[bold] "We do NOT support term limits on OURSELVES. There is a reason for that" ------->> Every Elected Official in D.C.[/bold]

R8 Stacey Abrams is a great Democratic leader, she has certainly shown the party that she wants to make a difference in her home state and she has and will continue to do!

However what we need now is a similar manifestation in the Midwest, the Mid Atlantic, and specially the rest of the deep South. We need more leaders like Ms. Abrams to come forward and deep down we have them in our capacity.

The Left is losing Worldwide, unfortunately so is humankind along the way, there is so little we know about the universe yet alone our planet, yet we continue fighting about irrelevant shit slung our way by a totally fuck up right wing party who has chosen to actively fight reality in almost every way possible ever since they lost the Nixon presidency half a century ago.

Stacy Abrams IS a great democratic leader. Whose career will never result in leadership. Wrong time and place for Stacy. She won't win as Governor. Again. Who is going to stump for her that is not currently hated? Biden, Harris, Obama and Hillary are poison names. Stacy will never get near the presidency. She's constitutionally qualified to deal with it all. It's not a nice guy competition. No black woman will be president in the next 20 years. Not even Michelle or Oprah could be elected NOW in the United States of fascist racial divide.

The Democrats and Dataloungers were monumentally STUPID to be so hard on Amy OR Warren. Your Party is over.

Pete, are you kidding me? He's more a school board trustee.

I hope the northwest stages form their own county and so do thr northeast.

The south can go back to the Gilead days

Nancy won't allow a vote to be held if she doesn't have the votes to win. It's ridiculous to think that there is some kind of victory in such a a humiliating defeat. Schumer has no idea what to do.

We have to split into two countries. Let them have their first dictatorship while we have democracy.

I CANNOT wait until these geriatric FUCKS turn on this CUNT.

R189 Oh, he'll be at the helm-maybe not as POTUS-but he'll continue to drive the boat.

Please ease up on this fascism stuff. There are election laws that make it harder to vote.But it becomes harder for everyone to vote. If Dems won’t show up that’s on them. There are election laws that involve counting the votes. Those are dangerous and laws should be passed to make sure they are not unconstitutional. I think the Dems could even find some Republican votes to pass laws or that should at least try. Maybe not but it’s worth the effort.

Voting rights are not going to bring millions of people out to vote in 2022. Maybe the issue should be that important but it isn’t. Democrats must focus on things people actually care about. Once it was clear this would fail, I don’t understand the need to have another vote. Hopefully like BBB Dems will break the big bills down into pieces people can understand and get behind.

[quote]There are election laws that involve counting the votes. Those are dangerous and laws should be passed to make sure they are not unconstitutional. I think the Dems could even find some Republican votes to pass laws or that should at least try.

I agree. The problem though is that Democrats want to load up any bill with everything including the kitchen sink. We saw that with the reconciliation bill. They need to focus on one piece at a time. The voting bill could have been split into 10 or 20 smaller bills, and some would fail and some might have succeeded.

These threads are such a mess. Lots of trolling and disordered thinking and extreme, unwarranted violent thoughts, and hours upon hours of people working really hard to make you feel like you should give up, stop caring, unless of course you want to start a new civil war, THAT they think you should care about.

I think the people who claim to be Democrats who want to literally murder Manchin and Sinema are trolls wanting to make liberals look bad. They're probably the same people who say they want Nancy Pelosi dead, they just do it with different accounts.

Given how easy it is to fool the average DLer with trolling, and how so many DLers can't understand even basic, clearly written posts, I do get concerned that there are some here who will be affected by threads like these. But since there's only, what, maybe 100 real people here total, I can't imagine turning a couple of DLers into non-voters or rightwingers will actually accomplish anything.

Lotta energy being expended here for zero payoff.

Thousands can get to the Welfare office for public handouts where they have their picture taken, but can't get a Photo ID to vote? This phony scheme coordinated by Schumer backfired.

R186 she doesn't care. She is running for first female President and thinks she's going to get the centrist vote. She is convinced she is God's gift to mankind and is nakedly career focused. She doesn't give a shit about democracy, only the quest for power.

Her LOUD "AYE" voting against the filibuster rule change is typical of her performative bullshit. Remember her curtsy flourish when voting against Dem legislation not that long ago.

Also let's not forget how she said she was bisexual before she ran for Senate, and then suddenly has forgotten that she ever said that. She's an opportunist.

I can't wait for her hopes to be dashed.

Easy R103. Barbara Streisand and Sean Peen can use some of their millions to set up free ride services for those folks to obtain ID.

Based on recent news that Sinema and Manchin received lots of $$ from Republican donors, I still don't understand why we don't just offer MORE $$$ to these grifting whores than they're getting from Repubs. Since neither has any morals or dignity, you know they'd gladly change sides for the $$$.

You could stock your compound and arm up for Civil War II.

Or, you could run for your local election board.

I think the latter is more productive, but that's just me.

So now only white people can vote in the US.

What voting rights? Voting rights just need to be used. I'm for Id's, one day to vote, no henchmen with bullyclubs at the polls trying to intimidate voters, clean up absentee voting mess. Thank you Manchin & Sinema.

^^Oh, fucking dear!

R212 Agreed.

Yes...enjoy this small window of time until November...because it's all over after the mid-terms. Fuck.

Two right wing Democrats fucking everything up on both Voting Rights and Build Back Better and the trolls blame the Squad and all progressives. My god, Datalounge is dying. It's becoming impossible to have a real conversation about anything here because of the trolling. It's all over this thread and it's all utterly nonsensical.

R216 you're blaming two Democrats, rather than the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY which does nothing but obstruct.

R217: Because the GOP blows, that's what they do. The 2 right wing Democrats are LETTING them obstruct everything. What part of that don't you understand?

We can blame both, r217...

R218 vote in more people so the Republicans can't do it. Can't govern without a real majority.

R219: What the fuck does that mean? These 2 right wing Democrats are letting the Nazis destroy this country. THAT IS BLAMING BOTH, you retard. Sit down and shut up.

This sick compulsion some of you have to NEVER blame any Democrat for ANYTHING is disturbing.

I think some of you are more turned on by the branding and the fight than the actual bill.

Part of the reason Sinema and Manchin are comfortable with being no votes on this is they know it’s just red meat. If Democrats actually spelled out what “voter suppression” measures are being passed, instead of making vague allusions to Jim Crow and poll taxes and trundling out every black politico they can find to be triggered by such rhetoric, there may be a bit more cohesion.

But you’re never going to make “show a valid state ID” sound like an evil scheme, not even to Black people. I’m fact, a black friend of mine — a Democrat btw — told me they think this whole issue is really about passing relaxed voter ID laws so more undocumented immigrants can vote. Unofficially. He said Black people are the most documented, carded, stopped and frisked people in the country. They’re not afraid to show an ID to vote. That’s one of the few times it actually makes sense.

Say....what, r222? I may be a retard, but you have major reading comprehension issues.

R224 he's so angry and throwing around "NAZIS" which means everything he says can be safely ignored.

To be clear, r222, BOTH the Republicans AND Manchin/Sinema are to blame. Now take a Nervine.

Thanks, r225.

If you don’t live in West Virginia or Arizona, Manchin and Sinema don’t give a damn about your opinion. They don’t even listen to their own constituents, who favor the voting rights bill.

I’m not surprised by Manchin, though I am angry. He’s always been a despicable bastard. As for Sinema, she’s beneath contempt. The only powerful word that describes her is CUNT.

Thanks, R123. I don't think much of her prospects, but I feel sorry for the people who helped her win election. They were ripped off. And she's delusional. The overlords may think they can control her, but people don't trust women holding power. Chuck Schumer has done a lousy job, but no one ever talks about replacing him. Pelosi is a powerhouse and there are always people at transition periods talking about replacing her as Speaker.

[quote] And Sinema has the worst fashion sense I've ever seen in a pudgy 45 year old formerly fatty.

She shops at Forever 21.

She dresses *cute*. She thinks she's *cute*.

Someone on DL aptly posted that Sinema needs a properly fitted bra.

She thinks she's forever 21..

She needs shaping not inches, r232...

I'm sure Sinema is mental. Some form of personality disorder combined with delusions of self importance. A mix between Julian Assange and Angelina Jolie.

This woman is seriously nuts!

Did Stacey Abrams say where she went when Biden was in GA? Because if someone’s gig is fighting voter suppression in the state of GA, you think they’d cancel whatever they had scheduled that day, go stand with the president of their party and their country and reschedule their previous commitment. Not being with the president when he comes to your state to make a speech about your pet cause is a red flag.

Stacey had an appointment to get her hair and nails done.

I don't agree with Manchin's antics and his manipulation of the process; but can understand why, in his mind, the choice he pursued was prudent. He's very stubborn and didn't want to displease his special interests' backers.

Sinema wanted to be courted, loves to play head games, thinks she is smart and pretty, and is beholden to big pharma and supports the big tax cuts for the rich. Arizona Dems need to primary her in 2024 and get her dumped.

Stacey knows an old white political albatross when she hears it drone on and on. And she didn't want any young black girls mishandled by Biden. Again.

The Dems are going be slaughtered in the mid terms and in 2024. No reason for Stacey Abrams to lose her momentum.🙏🏾

Let the eviscerations proceed. Burn you cunt!

Good for Aeizona. Kick the cunt in the cunt bone! I know she's going to regain the 90 pounds she lost 4 or 5 years ago and have to shop at Forever 21 Stout shop. What a pig!

It's exactly the same as when Wyoming censured Cheney.

I hate that censure is being used like a tennis ball, BUT I don't hate that Sinema got it.

We've had mail in voting for decades in the PacNW. We do not have widespread voter fraud, and never had, but we do vote blue in WA and OR. Silly lies, easy to expose.

I remember Trump bringing up voter fraud wayyy before the actual election. I remember thinking to myself that it was so odd he even brought it up. It was obviously a contingency plan. He was getting his toilet babies primed and worked up long before actually losing,

People like r223 are the worst.

[quote] I remember Trump bringing up voter fraud wayyy before the actual election.

I do too. And I remember thinking “That’s what you would go with when you lose? Who the fuck would be that gullible to believe that? Imagine knowing what the con is and still falling for it anyway. What a dope.”

Turns out I was the dope who didn’t realize exactly how stupid a huge chunk of America can be.

[quote]I hate that censure is being used like a tennis ball, BUT I don't hate that Sinema got it.

On one hand I'm glad they did it, but on the other I worry that public shaming just gives her an excuse to flip. She's much more of a straight-up troll than Manchin.

All the Trump supporters need to be informed that Mitch McConnell was among the first to betray Trump and Qanon, that old demon needs to bear the weight of their hatred.

R235 I started a thread about that and was dismissed by people on here. There is a group of DLers who get very angry if you mention Cluster B in any context.

Right after she voted, Sinema was high-fiving, hugging, and doing handshakes with Republican Senators. Defying Democrats with her vote wasn't enough, she had to gleefully rub it in and make a spectacle about it.

[quote]Right after she voted, Sinema was high-fiving, hugging, and doing handshakes with Republican Senators. Defying Democrats with her vote wasn't enough, she had to gleefully rub it in and make a spectacle about it.

John McCain did something similar when he betrayed his party and voted against changing the ACA. McCain and Sinema are two peas in a pod. Must be an Arizona thing.

Sinema will have a primary challenge if she runs again.

R252 Really? Since he was practically on his deathbed, maybe he was just greeting people.

No it isn't, R242. Sinema was elected by minority populations to do things like protect their right to vote. She blew off a basic tenet of the party and really doesn't care about the democratic party. Cheney is protecting her party and what she considers republican values. Those Trumpers could care less about the Republican party. The Cheney name has been golden in republican politics. An armed insurrection to take over the country is anti-democratic. That isn't freedom but a fast path to fascism.

Check her biggest doners. She's a bought and paid for republican in sheeps clothing. Yet another right wing con. She needs to go but she's cashed the check and will keep screwing her constitutents.

Cunt.

Rethuglians are cheaters and sore losers.

[quote] Those Trumpers could care less

Oh, dear!

Illegals have no right to vote in a country they aren’t citizens of. Period.

R260: Good thing this bill has nothing of the sort in it then. Sit down and shut up, troll skank.

R255 Protect whose right to vote? Register in your country, show up, show a valid state ID, vote. Boom, done.

Democrats want to turn this into a civil rights issue to pander to POC whom they know won’t ask too many questions. But passing laws regulating drop boxes, mail-in ballots, and early voting isn’t going to literally stop anybody from voting.

*county

R262

You’re an idiot. Every black person in the South especially knows it’s an issue. Have you been paying attention during elections? Because it’s right there in your face. Just like all conservatives you want to deflect from the truth.

Here’s how conservatives have been suppressing black voters:

-Less polling places/closing polling places in black districts. Making it harder for poorer black people especially to travel further away. Not only that, but switching black voters’ designated polling places last minute. Long lines.

-Worse voting machines in black districts.

-Making it harder for black (and poor) people to get IDs. Bullshit DMV shenanigans and less DMV access for black people in these districts.

-Closing early voting - and especially Sunday voting - knowing black people came up in formation on these days.

The list goes on.

Boy has this forum changed. A few years ago everyone was discussing the bullshit taken against black people. Now these conservatives want to gaslight, obscure the truth and distract from reality.

Republicans have already admitted this is what they do. To deny it is fucked up and on the level of QAnon.

[quote] I’m fact, a black friend of mine — a Democrat btw — told me they think this whole issue is really about passing relaxed voter ID laws so more undocumented immigrants can vote.

I'm sure your Black friend, Richard Spencer's Black friend, and all Donald Trump's Black friends go to the same chicken and waffle joint, right? Have they ever asked you to join them?

R264 That’s not an explanation of anything. Just insulting me and saying everybody knows the deal isn’t an argument.

R265 Let’s assume what you said wasn’t just propaganda and actually has some merit. Why not address those particular areas and those particular machines and those particular DMVs and the people in charge who could rectify these blatant inequalities? Why do we need federal legislation to address such granular issues?

And I notice liberals who just go along with whatever MSNBC says like to do this, but correlation isn’t causation. No, not even when it comes to race. Because the reality is if it’s difficult to vote in certain areas, it’s difficult for that area period. There are plenty of poor white areas and poor Hispanic areas as well. So why zero in on poor Black areas specifically?

I know why. It’s propaganda meant to justify a power grab. You’re making the most tenuous correlation possible to get buy in so nobody has to look like a racist. Because saying these issues, to whatever extent they exist, disproportionately affect black people is like saying high taxes are racist because they disproportionately affect white people. Which is of course stupid.

The only reason Democrats care about black people being disproportionately affected by anything is because that’s their bread and butter come election season. And if this is such a huge problem, well, it didn’t hurt Biden, did it?

R266 I guess that was supposed to be funny. But he made a lot of sense. Nobody’s denying the history of black people being disenfranchised in this country but spare me the exaggerated claims of voter suppression. At best these are small-fry issues that should be addressed locally or at the state level.

R267

I’m so tired of your drivel. Nothing I posted is “propaganda”. Everything I posted is what has actually been happening. It IS voter suppression and it’s wrong.

The real propaganda is you attacking mail-in voting and early voting like a loyal Republican lapdog. Everything you’re arguing for is to help Republicans. You aren’t fooling anyone.

Just the fact that republicans are so hell bent on making these changes-changes they say are meant to prevent voter fraud that simply doesn't exist-should tell you everything you want to know. They know their tactics keep way more democrats from voting, so they fabricate the voter fraud issue so they can put up these obstacles in those areas. It has been proposed that there be a maximum wait time at voter sites. For example, if polling place A is a three hour wait and polling place B is 15 min wait, voting machines are moved from B to A to even out wait time. Republicans are against this. They WANT long waits at certain polling places, and they'll fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. And guess which polling place is more democratic areasf?

[quote] Why not address those particular areas and those particular machines and those particular DMVs and the people in charge who could rectify these blatant inequalities? Why do we need federal legislation to address such granular issues?

Yes why have any federal laws. Why have a federal government. Red states should be able to make their own laws and discriminate against whomever they choose. Every state should be its own little nation. Problem solved.

[quote] Here’s how conservatives have been suppressing black voters:

Republicans are targeting Democratic voters. Which includes black voters. However, measures such as signature matching, cutting mail in voting, early voting, same day registration make it more difficult for everyone. Framing the issue as merely a "black issue" is wrongheaded.

R270

I mention that because they are ESPECIALLY targeting black voters and major black counties. It’s not even up for debate.

Eldergay in Texas here. People over 65 in Texas have been able to vote by mail for a couple of decades.

Now, the extreme rightwing Texas GOP enacted a whole slew of voter suppression tactics. One of the groups most targeted are people who vote by mail. They made numerous changes in the rules governing voting by mail to make it much more complicated: new, poorly indicated changes from the old ballots by mail, you have to add in the number (either driver's license or SS number) you originally registered to vote with. Who is unlikely to notice the various, fiddly changes they've made to the mail-in ballots? Old people. Who is unlikely to remember what ID you originally used to register to vote? Old people.

Who is the GOP's base in Texas? People over 65.

D'oh!

Don't forget voter roll purges. If you don't vote in 2 elections in a row, they cancel your registration and don't tell you. Then you go to vote and find out you're not registered and that the deadline was 28 days ago. They know damn well only bored old white people vote in odd-year elections in the spring for park boards, jock strap inspector and bathhouse superintendent. It's all bad, but this tactic is the worst of all in my book.

And to every troll pretending this isn't happening, may your every condom break, may every dick you suck be rancid, and may you take a diuretic and not be able to get your panties off.

R268 I said it's propaganda because there's no proof that Republicans are simply picking out "black areas" or "black districts" and implementing all of these totally unjustified, unnecessary draconian policies to keep them from voting. It's propaganda because you're parroting the DNC party line: let's forward our agenda by calling Republicans racists. It's the same with any law or regulation; it has to be followed by everyone. If you can demonstrate that the law in its execution is only being applied to Black people, that's one thing. Saying a law or policy affects Black people more than it does others is bullshit. That's like saying speeding laws affect people who like to speed more than people who don't. That's such a basest, unintellectual way to process any law, but it works for low information voters like yourself, which is why Democrats continue to use that tactic.

R270 I don't care about your snide remark. That doesn't answer the question. Elections are manifestly run by local and state governments anyway. Yes it may be a federal issue if a law violates someone's civil rights, but trying to sell a power grab by saying "it's about protecting Black people's right to vote" is bogus. As long as the law is applied equally, there's no significant reason the federal government would need to get involved. You can have a conversation about why a law or policy shouldn't exist, but that's why it shouldn't apply to anybody, not just singling out one group of people who just so happen to vote en masse for Democrats.

R272 Mail-in voting and absentee ballots are not the same thing as far as voting laws are concerned. It's not voter suppression because we're limiting the number of votes being sent in by mail.

The goal of our democracy should be to get more eligible voters to vote. But that's not what's happening. If the rules are applied across the board and apply to everyone, fine. But they're not. Republican do target Democratic areas and make it harder for them to vote. They also make it harder for poor people to vote. Not everyone has a car, and Republicans manipulate rules that increase driving distances in Democratic areas. This isn't a "Black" issue. Republicans lose when there's high voter turnout. They know this so they manipulate rules to get a lower voter turnout.

In my state, majority democratic counties had up to three hours standing in line to vote. Republican-oriented precincts, the lines were shorter with more voting machines. The Republican dominated counties, voting was proficient. In heavily black rural areas, voting access site were spread-out, requiring significant driving, and showed as few as two or three sites for a whole county. Mail-in options should not be overly complicated, bureaucratic, and too limiting.

In Texas, the GOP has closed down 750 polling stations. If you live in rural, white, rightwing Texas you've got your polling station! If you live in Democratic cities, good luck finding your polling station. In 2018 when college students started atypically storming the polling stations to vote for Beto, the GOP Secy of State suddenly closed down polling stations at colleges. College students notoriously don't bother to vote in mid-terms so they caught the GOP unaware.