I predict that this is the last Democratic president we'll see in our lifetimes. Congress will fall this year. This is American representative democracy's swan song. American fascism will take root in 2024. If you think I'm overreacting, bookmark this, then check back on Wednesday, November 9, 2022.
The proposed Voting Rights bill is dead. Manchin & Sinema have killed it.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||January 26, 2022 12:00 AM|
They should both be executed those goddamned fucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||January 13, 2022 8:17 PM|
Good. Split off Jesusland and continue as a modern Republic.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||January 13, 2022 8:20 PM|
Time to go nuclear on the filibuster.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||January 13, 2022 8:22 PM|
They should be haggled until they die.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||January 13, 2022 8:22 PM|
This has been obvious for months. I don't know why the administration and Democrats in Congress went through the pretense of holding out hope for the last year. I guess to convince the base that they were actually taking it seriously.
Manchin, Sinema and the Republicans will be vilified by history, but that's not going to improve our present.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||January 13, 2022 8:22 PM|
They are all in on this. Doesn't matter which side of the aisle they are on.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||January 13, 2022 8:26 PM|
We need to get the lowdown on who funds them and destroy those businesses. Corporations have no place in politics and no one should be making serious bank as a politician.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||January 13, 2022 8:29 PM|
Women in general (and particularly Black women) are tired of rescuing the Democratic Party. Stop taking their votes for granted, Dems.
🎶"Stacey guides us note by note.
Stacey carries lots of clout.
Stacey says we vote, we vote.
Stacey says sit it out, we sit it out."🎶
(Sung to the tune of Blossom Dearie's "My Attorney Bernie.")
|by Anonymous||reply 8||January 13, 2022 8:34 PM|
[quote]I don't know why the administration and Democrats in Congress went through the pretense of holding out hope for the last year.
They haven't been holding out hope over the last few months, it's been obvious this wouldn't pass as is, and I think this vote was just to get Sinema and Manchin on the record so they will have some repercussions to deal with.
The people who say the Democrats are in on this and have been faking it by "pretending it could pass when they knew it wouldn't" are conspiracy-minded goons.
Maybe Schumer's plan will work. It's not quite over yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||January 13, 2022 8:38 PM|
R7: the Koch-sucker Brothers own Mancin (and his yacht) lock, stock and barrel.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||January 13, 2022 8:45 PM|
R8, guess you'd rather have misogynist and racist Republicans in power!
|by Anonymous||reply 11||January 13, 2022 8:47 PM|
Who says they are on the take? Not every racist wears a KKK hood or MAGA hat.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||January 13, 2022 8:51 PM|
Six of one, and a half dozen of the other, R11. Non-White Americans always get fucked, it might be time for everybody to know how it feels.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||January 13, 2022 8:55 PM|
[quote] Time to go nuclear on the filibuster
Umm, that’s what they refuse to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||January 13, 2022 9:24 PM|
Yes...Manchin and Sinema are cunts.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||January 13, 2022 10:18 PM|
This needs to be fought on a state-by-state level if this cannot be done through Congress.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||January 13, 2022 10:22 PM|
I think the Dems overshot in hopes that the Rethugs would come to the table and negotiate some basic protections. They tried...
|by Anonymous||reply 17||January 13, 2022 10:31 PM|
WTF is with those two Senators?
If they're so dead set to kill Biden's agenda they could have changed parties and made Mitch McConnell Senate Majority Leader. They are a couple of illogical twats!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||January 13, 2022 11:53 PM|
Kyrsten Sinema is going down in flames. Damn that bitch to hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||January 14, 2022 12:03 AM|
Sinema apparently has eyes on the White House and needs Republican votes but is such an imbecile she thinks she can kill voting rights and people will be so enamored of her they'll ignore that little fact.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||January 14, 2022 12:28 AM|
In New York City, the City Council passed a bill that will allow 800,00 residents with Green Cards to vote in local elections beginning in 2023. It's already being challenged, claiming a city can't change the state law that requires only citizens being eligible to vote.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||January 14, 2022 12:46 AM|
R20 The Bitch isn't getting anywhere near the white house.
She doesn't even look the part. She's a joke!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||January 14, 2022 7:06 PM|
Manchin has never been a Dem.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||January 14, 2022 7:14 PM|
Really, once we defeat the authoritarians amongst us - and we will - Kyrsten Sinema should dragged out into the street, stripped of her clothing, rolled in dog shit and then feathers and her head should be shaved for being a collaborator.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||January 15, 2022 3:54 PM|
Sinema is too stupid to realise that if she wants to make a run for anything, voting rights need to be a protected. A woman will never be appointed to anything by the authoritarians in the GOP except Chief Cum Slurper.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||January 15, 2022 4:04 PM|
[quote] We need to get the lowdown on who funds them and destroy those businesses. Corporations have no place in politics and no one should be making serious bank as a politician.
Great. Let's start with Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||January 15, 2022 4:18 PM|
[quote] Sinema is too stupid to realise that if she wants to make a run for anything, voting rights need to be a protected. A woman will never be appointed to anything by the authoritarians in the GOP except Chief Cum Slurper.
[quote] Kyrsten Sinema should dragged out into the street, stripped of her clothing, rolled in dog shit and then feathers and her head should be shaved for being a collaborator.
[quote] Non-White Americans always get fucked, it might be time for everybody to know how it feels.
Wow. Some of you bitches are truly batshit crazy. Or are these all from just one lone nutjob?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||January 15, 2022 4:22 PM|
Mail-In Votes are the most vulnerable to fraud.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||January 15, 2022 4:23 PM|
It's hysterical to me to hear how the Far Left if panicked that the Filibuster won't be canceled because then the Republicans will use its absence later to abusively pass their agenda. Uh... want to think that one through, bitches? Leave the filibuster alone and the Bill would have a much better chance of passing. It's the same God damn shit every time. The Dems load up bills with smelly shit and then freak out that the kernel of original goodness got shot down. SMDH.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||January 15, 2022 4:27 PM|
[quote]Mail-In Votes are the most vulnerable to fraud.
And yet, Republican audit after Republican audit found virtually none.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||January 15, 2022 4:37 PM|
It was obvious months ago that Sienna and Manchineel wouldn’t change the filibuster rules. Ditto for voting for BBB. Does Niden like to fail or is he being forced into this by the useless and stupid progressives?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||January 15, 2022 4:40 PM|
Sinema and Manchin…autocorrect gone mad
|by Anonymous||reply 32||January 15, 2022 4:41 PM|
So a couple of moderate cunts once again block everything useful and ... it's the fault of progressives. Never the fault of the ever wise and saintly centrists, cause that's just inconceivable! Just ask the brain dead media. It MUST be somehow magically the fault of AOC and the evil squad. What a bunch of whores centrists and their supporters are.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||January 15, 2022 4:44 PM|
[quote]This needs to be fought on a state-by-state level if this cannot be done through Congress.
Unfortunately, in most cases, that means this must be fought in every heavily gerrymandered legislature designed to do jack shit about anything other than feeding the rich.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||January 15, 2022 4:46 PM|
Biden needs to show he can be effective. One L after another hurts him and the party. Dems appear to have lost touch with reality pushing bills they know will fail. Stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||January 15, 2022 4:54 PM|
To the pearl clutching, hysterical brain dead liberal/progressive woke morons on this thread - what country do you live in???We have a Constitution that is divided into three branches of government preventing your berserk idea that fascism is about to be the lay of the land in 2024. Grow up, and stop being deranged screaming mimi's.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||January 15, 2022 4:54 PM|
Well some Dems have certainly lost touch with reality. Manchin thinks that the Republicans are still basically good people earnestly seeking to make a better country and not a gang of crazed baboons howling for blood and fascism. And Sinema is a quirky little dingbat who doesn't know what the fuck she wants or what to do about anything but has some vague and stupid belief that she'll be president of a magically united country someday, cause she's just so gosh darn cute. god, why do we always have to get the stupid flakes while they get crazy cult members who actually do fall in line when the time comes?
|by Anonymous||reply 37||January 15, 2022 5:03 PM|
Exactly R33. The U.S. is one of - if not, THE - richest nation in the world but they don't want to invest in sorely needed infrastructure that would only increase their competitiveness in the global economy. It's all short-sighted "I want to stuff my own pockets first" conservatism.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||January 15, 2022 5:13 PM|
R36, you're not paying attention. The need for shoring up our voting rights has nothing to do with the Constitution, though that is certainly under threat as well. It's what's happening at a state level that is threatening our democracy.
Also, I guess you didn't notice during Trump's presidency how easily the other 2 branches of gov't can be stymied in the face of complete lawlessness. Oh well.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||January 15, 2022 5:16 PM|
Democrats always need a "Lieberman" in the party to use as a scapegoat for why they can't ever do anything. They're just trying so hard, you guys!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||January 15, 2022 5:22 PM|
What about the Republicans they voted for Voting Rights in GW Bush's administration and there are still 12 of them in the Senate. That said Manchin and Sinema are both cunts.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||January 15, 2022 5:27 PM|
And Kyrsten Sinema was classless making that speech on the floor of the Senate. Right before Biden was going up there. She is so delusional.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||January 15, 2022 5:29 PM|
There is a voting rights bill some Rs will vote for. Biden should support that one. Instead of supporting bills that are sure losers to placate the left of the party.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||January 15, 2022 5:31 PM|
When people crossed Bill Clinton there were surprise affair or financial malfeasance revelations — he dispatched three speakers this way. His never stuck, but he made sure theirs did. Biden needs to stop all this healing crap and inflict fear and pain, it’s the only language these people understand. If they aren’t being audited or indicted, he’s not doing his job. And Schumer has to go; binder-throwing comb bitch can enforce with more muscle.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||January 15, 2022 5:34 PM|
Sinema is a lying fake bisexual who used the gay community to get herself elected, so the gay community needs to dig up enough dirt to bury her to her lying neck.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||January 15, 2022 5:45 PM|
They're racist fucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||January 15, 2022 5:47 PM|
Don't give those two any slack. They both voted down the minimum wage increase at the behest and hefty "donations" from the US Chamber of Commerce. (Sinema walked past the turtle and gave him an affectionate little back pat on her way to vote). She was so "adorable" when she gave her little curtsy with her thumb down-wearing her latest fashion purchase from Forever 21 Outlet. They are actively tanking Biden's agenda-and the US citizens.m. Sure they passed infrastructure-which will benefit many corporations. And, to a certain extent, states.
She and Manchin never had any intention to pass BBB or voting rights-they are owned byMoscow Mitch and Charles Koch and K Street-and they already got paid to sabotage their constituents and the President. They can't turn back nor do they want too. I don't believe either one intend to run again-at least not as Democrats. And yes R45 you nailed it-she lies about everything . Somehow I find her even dirtier and uglier than Joe Manchin. He at least talks to the press and tries to feign interest in democracy.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||January 15, 2022 5:50 PM|
Erm R43? The voting rights bill they're trying to pass is the one WRITTEN by Manchin.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||January 15, 2022 6:09 PM|
The Left of course means pretty much every House and Senate Democrat, and the vast majority of the Democratic Party. The mainstream is a couple of assholes in the Senate.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||January 15, 2022 6:16 PM|
If Manchin snd Sinema died n a plane crash tomorrow the Senate would go to 52 Republican to 48 Dems.. Then see what Biden could accomplish.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||January 15, 2022 6:22 PM|
Sinema is a thoroughgoing cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||January 15, 2022 6:24 PM|
None of which obligates them to be crazy ridiculous cunts today r50. Pass bills that would help their constituents and not just their fucking donors or their stupid fucking ego driven fantasies. What a goddamn concept!
|by Anonymous||reply 52||January 15, 2022 6:26 PM|
[quote] nor do they want too.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||January 15, 2022 6:30 PM|
I don’t get wasting mental energy focusing on things that can’t be changed at this time. Try to make something else happen. Oh well.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||January 15, 2022 6:30 PM|
Note Liz Cheney voted against Voting Rights Act.
No heroine she.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||January 15, 2022 6:36 PM|
Sinema on our Democracy...
|by Anonymous||reply 56||January 15, 2022 6:40 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 57||January 15, 2022 6:44 PM|
[quote]Mail-In Votes are the most vulnerable to fraud.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||January 15, 2022 6:45 PM|
There are so many who cannot afford to buy a photo ID. Now because of this they will not get the assistance they need.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||January 15, 2022 7:05 PM|
So what's the plan now? That Sinema and Manchin are deliberately sabotaging democrats shouldn't surprise anybody anymore. They always said they don't want to kill the filibuster. Dirty money is lining both of their pockets and they have no decent fibre left in their body. They put their greed over the survival of democracy.
Why then were the democrats optimistic that the voting rights act would pass??
What's the next step for democrats, what's the game plan now??
|by Anonymous||reply 60||January 15, 2022 7:12 PM|
Lot of executive orders, R60.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||January 15, 2022 7:16 PM|
And Sinema is LGBT. It makes me so ashamed that she is one of us.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||January 15, 2022 7:16 PM|
No self respecting lesbian should ever go near this pussy.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||January 15, 2022 7:22 PM|
Sunny Hostin on The View has been trashing Biden all week long, placing the blame at his feet for Voting Rights being stalled. She criticized Biden and Harris going to Georgia and said it was just "Perfomative" and there was no reason why they had to be there.
She also thinks Biden should take notes from "The Squad" on how to get things done. (I kid you not)
|by Anonymous||reply 64||January 15, 2022 7:25 PM|
Can Joe Biden put through the Voting Rights act as an executive order?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||January 15, 2022 7:27 PM|
[quote] And Sinema is LGBT.
All of them?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||January 15, 2022 7:28 PM|
A lot of black people didn’t want Biden in GA re:voting rights because they feel it’s “cultural appropriation” of Stacey Abrams’ project. That’s why Stacy refused to be there, Biden was stealing her thunder.
And she’s pissed she didn’t get VP spot, especially after the shit Kamala pulled in debates.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||January 15, 2022 7:31 PM|
Joe Biden praised Stacey Abrams, saying she will be president one day. If the KHive nutters hadn't been so aggressive pushing incompetent Kamala for VP, it would be Stacey, Val or Amy Klobuchar now.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||January 15, 2022 7:40 PM|
[quote]A lot of black people didn’t want Biden in GA
Not true. Only four organizations out of dozens didn't show up.
It was LaTosha Brown who made a huge stink over Biden going there, and then went on Joy Reid's show to bitch about all of it the day of the ceremony.
Brown, Reid and Hostin are good friends, BTW. And all have been apparently been using the same talking points in their appearances this week, throwing Biden and Harris under the bus, and propping up the Squad. Black Twitter is not happy.
Abrahams didn't go, but a sent a message the following day saying Biden had her full support. She's not stupid.
How do you ask the President of the United States to take notes from Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, who hasn't accomplished a single victory so far? Laughable.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||January 15, 2022 7:43 PM|
[quote] There are so many who cannot afford to buy a photo ID. Now because of this they will not get the assistance they need.
What the fuck are you talking about?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||January 15, 2022 8:25 PM|
That's bullshit, R67.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||January 15, 2022 8:29 PM|
R68 and R69
I want everyone in this thread to look at these 2 referenced posts and realize they are both trolls. One is trying to demoralize turnout by attacking Harris and the other is trying to inflame intraparty tensions by attacking AOC. Notice how neither of these trolls focus on the 2 Senate cunts but rather try to attack two people who are in favor of changing the filibuster to actually achieve something. Classic misdirection trolling. Cut the crap, both of you.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||January 15, 2022 8:39 PM|
[quote]Maybe Schumer's plan will work. It's not quite over yet.
What's Schumer's plan??
|by Anonymous||reply 73||January 15, 2022 8:59 PM|
I'm not a troll, idiot @ R72
How do you explain my comment I wrote @ R60??
|by Anonymous||reply 74||January 15, 2022 9:05 PM|
Thanks R72. The racist, misogynist, divisive trolls on DL are NOT republicans though.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||January 15, 2022 9:07 PM|
Sure you're a total misogynist and racist if you had preferred Stacey Abrams and Val Demings over Kamala.
Idiots, just fuck off!
- R68, R60, R73, R74
|by Anonymous||reply 76||January 15, 2022 9:19 PM|
R58, if you're so curious,, find it yourself. If you won't look, it's not that important to you, since you're just trying to be bitchy
|by Anonymous||reply 77||January 15, 2022 9:23 PM|
So shameful that we live in the richest country on the planet and yet millions here cannot afford a simple photo ID.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||January 15, 2022 9:33 PM|
R74: Yes you are. Your R60 comment attacks the Democrats for having no plan when it was the Dyke who went up there to classless-ly undercut Biden and Schumer. h/t R42 for that correct analysis.
Then you start attacking Kamala Harris for no goddamn reason. And you do so using talking points from the right wing i.e. incompetent, bad at politics, blah blah fucking blah. All blatantly untrue.
If you don't like being called out, then don't come up in here and post bullshit. Simple as that, babe.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||January 15, 2022 9:38 PM|
How can you function in this country without a photo ID card? How do you get a job, or cash government checks, or rent an apartment, or frankly do anything? This is such a bullshit ploy to make the blatantly obvious requirement of proving you are a U.S. Citizen to vote in a U.S. election sound racist, classist, and cruel. Call it what it really is, a desperate gambit to have a couple million illegals vote for Tammany Ha-- I mean Biden and the Dems.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||January 15, 2022 9:40 PM|
Your argument makes no sense R79. No matter how hard you try!
|by Anonymous||reply 81||January 15, 2022 9:52 PM|
I had R72 already blocked, so I didn't see the stupidity in full glory.
My post defending Biden and calling out the foolishness of those who say to listen to a newbie over a seasoned politician is "trolling"?
I want R72 to provide a list of the bills that AOC and "The Squad" for that matter has created, worked on and gotten passed. Since I'm clearly trolling, this should be easy to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||January 15, 2022 9:55 PM|
One of the reasons I voted for Biden is because he claimed (a la LBJ) he knew the Senate so well he could work across the aisle and get shit done. And he can't. Why hasn't he been working with Murkowski, Romney, Toomey? And the left demonizing Manchin was counter-productive: he barely won in 2018 and is up for reelection in a state Trump won by 40 pts. FFS
Biden pushed infrastructure then BBB so all the BernieBros could please their isolated little dark blue districts. FFS
The only thing that matters is voting rights. This should have been his first priority. Nothing else is important compared to this. But Biden surrounds himself with a bunch of people from NY and LA who can't comprehend voting matters because Dems always get elected in their states. FFS
|by Anonymous||reply 83||January 15, 2022 9:59 PM|
[quote]Lot of executive orders, [R60].
Could you please elaborate on this R61.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||January 15, 2022 10:00 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 85||January 15, 2022 10:00 PM|
Has this been asked and answered yet?
If it is dead, at least bring it up for a vote in the Senate and put EVERYONE on record. Why not?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||January 15, 2022 10:03 PM|
From the U.K., reading this thread and G00gling fascinated, but not fully understanding. Could some kind soul summarise for an outsider?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||January 15, 2022 10:04 PM|
R87 in the follow-up to Sore Loser Trump's inability to admit he lost, all his minions throughout state legislatures (in 19 states) enacted voter suppression laws. Notably, laws to make it possible for the state legislature to overturn election results which don't favor the Republican. They're also trying to prevent minorities and college kids from voting because they don't vote Republican. There are laws allowing 'partisan pollwatchers' to harass people inside polling stations - no doubt while toting AK-47s.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||January 15, 2022 10:09 PM|
Waiting for that list from R72.......
|by Anonymous||reply 89||January 15, 2022 10:12 PM|
There no list R89, #AlwaysOnCamera is one of the least effective house members.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||January 15, 2022 10:22 PM|
Yesterday on MSNBC they had a black woman pundit I didn't recognize, but obviously connected to The Squad. She was saying as voting rights is dead in the water, Biden needs to cancel student debt now to get a win from the base. The base? What about people who have already paid off their debts? What about people who will go to college in the future and have to incur debts? What about all those prolos the BernieBros claim to represent who could never afford to go to college in the first fucking place? I swear these idiots spend all their time attacking Democrats and never Republicans.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||January 15, 2022 10:27 PM|
R87: In the US, voting is dependent on which state you are in, and often which county. Like the layout of your ballot, how one gets on the ballot, it differs in all 50 states and the territories. There is no national standard for voting over here. We are the only developed democracy that doesn't have a national voting standard. This bill would finally fix that. But in order for the Senate to vote on the bill, they have to agree to end debate. You need 60 votes in the Senate to invoke cloture, which limits further debate to 30 hours and then a vote on the actual bill. There are not 60 votes to end debate and do that.
So, we need to change the rules to at the least eliminate that 60 vote threshold for this important legislation. We need 50 votes to do that but the bisexual Senator from Arizona went on the floor of the Senate to say she won't support doing that. And neither will the dumbass Senator from West Virginia. So there we are.
Think of it this way: the county you are in in the UK decides that since you didn't vote in the last council election, you're off the voter rolls and they don't tell they removed you. You go to vote at the next Parliamentary election and they tell you you're off the rolls and you had to be on 28 days before the election. Too bad, no vote for you, go home. That's the kind of shit states are doing now over here.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||January 15, 2022 10:34 PM|
R92 in Texas the GOP (not the sharpest knives in the drawer) enacted a new law which requires people to provide both a Social Security number AND a Driver's License Number (it used to be either or) on the application to vote by mail. Now it has been legal in Texas for decades to vote by mail if you are disabled or over 65.
So far, half the mail-in applications submitted have been refused because applicants didn't put in both numbers. Now, who is it who wouldn't have a Driver's License in Texas? Elderly people who have let them lapse and disabled people who never had a DL to begin with. People over 65 are the GOP's base in Texas. And as disabled people won't be able to vote because they don't have a DL, I guess Greg Abbott won't be able to vote for himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||January 15, 2022 11:13 PM|
R64. Sunny Hostin should be blaming Obama and Oprah who were called in to sweet talk /twist the arm of Manchin to get rid of fillibuster for voting rights-like he and Sinema did for debt ceiling. If the dynamic duo/tag team of Oprah and Obama couldn't close the deal-why not call in George Soros? Sinema is a lying liar who lies. She has always made sure to claim she is bisexual-not lesbian lately. She may as well be asexual 'cuz no self respecting dick or pussy either would go near that stinking' cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||January 15, 2022 11:44 PM|
[QUOTE] Now, who is it who wouldn't have a Driver's License in Texas? Elderly people who have let them lapse and disabled people who never had a DL to begin with.
Uh, hellllooo R93 you can get non-driver's photo ID at the DMV easily.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||January 16, 2022 12:03 AM|
Biden is so impotent. LBJ would twist arms, legs, and other body parts to get landmark legislation passed.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||January 16, 2022 12:14 AM|
Really r80? Even though every gun nut, every racist, every whore for the rich, in other words every Republican legislator in the country, would love nothing more than to find millions of illegal immigrant votes, nobody can find them. Maybe you just need to look harder, or maybe you need to stop being such ridiculous stupid twats and let people vote even if they're not guaranteed to be Trump Cult votes.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||January 16, 2022 1:15 AM|
Also too, everybody, while it's nice to imagine a magical LBJ sweeping in to make it all come true, LBJ had a Senate with 66 Democrats and 34 Republicans and a House that was also overwhelmingly Democratic when he took over. It makes a difference having a tie, with a couple of asshole flakes on the Democratic side.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||January 16, 2022 1:20 AM|
Biden is in a tough situation with a 50/50 Senate. The blue wave never appeared in 2020,so,Dems,barely control the House and Senate. Blame the genius progressives who thought defund the police was a great slogan! That’ll be back in 2022 and should be a real winner with murders going through the roof in mist big urban centers.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||January 16, 2022 1:33 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 100||January 16, 2022 1:33 AM|
Oh blame a million things r99, including gerrymandering, but also the fact that the Senate is designed to give outsized power to rural, empty, but overwhelmingly white states. Defund the Police is a stupid damn slogan, but it really is a small part of a much larger, much more structural problem.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||January 16, 2022 1:37 AM|
R98 Young folks, back in the day the Democrats included a shitload of racist Southern Democrats. They only became Republicans after LBJ passed Civil Rights and Voting Rights. Nixon welcomed them into his Big Tent using his Southern Strategy.
LBJ's Democratic majority was made up of a lot of racist Southern Democrats who voted against the Civil Rights Bill. So he had to recruit Everett Dirksen and a shitload of GOP to pass it.
In the Senate, 46 Democrats voted for and 21 against; 27 Republicans voted for, and only 6 voted against the bill. That makes 69% of the Dems and 82% of the Republican senators voted to pass the law.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||January 16, 2022 2:19 AM|
R95 is that you notorious closet case Bryan Hughes? Hang around the DL a lot, do ya? First of all, who is going to drive those little old ladies, those people with cerebral palsy to the DMV and sit there with them for 6 hours while they try to get an ID.
So sad that neither the GOP's base - old folks - or Greg Abbott will be able to vote. Oh, well.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||January 16, 2022 2:24 AM|
Here is a beautiful photo.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||January 16, 2022 2:25 AM|
[quote] First of all, who is going to drive those little old ladies, those people with cerebral palsy to the DMV and sit there with them for 6 hours while they try to get an ID.
Well if that were the case, then who's going to take them to vote?
|by Anonymous||reply 105||January 16, 2022 2:34 AM|
Maybe they can use absentee ballots r105.
Oops, except they are of the Devil, and Goody Benson used one once and burned right up, yup, right there in her front yard!
|by Anonymous||reply 106||January 16, 2022 2:38 AM|
R99, and we can thank AOC, Sanders, and their pals for that. Repugs latch on to their extremist ideologies and really, just quote their nonsense when running against them.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||January 16, 2022 2:53 AM|
Thanks R102. Important history lesson.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||January 16, 2022 2:55 AM|
No we can't r107. No amount of demonizing the very few progressives in Congress makes up for the fact that the main problem is white panic. White people are still a majority of the country and a lot of us are going into an absolutely embarrassing and shrieking panic about the fact that black and brown people might outnumber us soon. That is what is making so many white people cling to even the most obvious frauds and crazies, as long as they are White, in congress.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||January 16, 2022 2:55 AM|
Kyrsten Sinema has a huge dirty hairy smelly pussy with big cuntflaps.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||January 16, 2022 2:59 AM|
Also agree with r108 about r102. I think LBJ benefited enormously from the Democratic majority when it came to his Great Society programs, but everything Civil Rights was a much more difficult balancing act requiring political genius.
Also too, where in the goddamn hell is Robert Caro's final volume on LBJ???
|by Anonymous||reply 111||January 16, 2022 3:01 AM|
Should clarify: When I say a lot of us at r109, I don't mean I agree. I mean this is the ugly white truth right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||January 16, 2022 3:03 AM|
R105 aka Dumb Person - people over 65 and people with disabilities have been able to vote by mail in Texas for the past 20 years with no issue. Up until Sore Loser Donnie Trump couldn't admit he was a big, fat loser.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||January 16, 2022 3:05 AM|
Need a national ID card.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||January 16, 2022 3:12 AM|
What is really funny is the people currently shrieking and howling about vaccine mandates would be shrieking and howling about anything approaching a national ID card, except that Trump and the Republicans would order them not to.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||January 16, 2022 3:14 AM|
She is an enema of sin. He is neither a man nor chinned.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||January 16, 2022 3:21 AM|
Lots of false info here. First, Manchin's family has been big in democratic circles for generations in West Virginia. He is a dem.
Second, Stacey Abrams is not going to tell Black women to stay home. If Trumpers took over the country, and that is highly likely if dems lose the House and Senate, the Black women will suffer most. Trump or his replacement will go back to dismantling the country, giving all the assets to the super rich. The bills passed on the Biden agenda, if they see the light of day, will go to funding grifters for phony projects. SCOTUS will have free reign to turn back the laws. And MAGAS will roam the country taking whatever they want, with impunity. Bad cops will continue to kill minorities and get away with it. So Stacey will not be telling Black women to stay home and not vote.
Show me anything about Sinema eyeing the WH. She comes off like a bimbo and, frankly, if she's been bought, she's very unsubtle about it. She has no good arguments for opposing filibuster reform and she understands clearly what current filibuster rules will do in terms of voting rights. It's like someone paid her to make that speech on the Senate floor this week, upstaging Biden. She has no chance to get anywhere in a presidential primary for either party. Oh, and which of those LGBT letters is she? I'd go for G--grifter.
Finally, no one mentions that worthless POS Schumer. Mitch McConnell has a caucus with crazies Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, plus a few other far out types. He has managed to do better in the minority than Schumer has with the majority. And he's pretty much kept the stench off himself, relatively speaking. I think if Amy Klobuchar were Majority Leader, both Manchin and Sinema would have been rounded up and managed by now. If dems lose the Senate I will blame Schumer. He insisted on being majority leader in a time of crisis, even though he doesn't have the persuasive power, the courage, or, frankly, the brains. Biden has his own branch of government to manage. With his party in the majority in the Senate, he should not have to worry about it as he cleans up Trump's mess and tries to navigate a worldwide pandemic, other international situations and keep federal agencies moving forward. Schumer needs to do the right thing, and, if he won't, the majority needs to take that leadership position away from him.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||January 16, 2022 3:24 AM|
I am not going to pretend Schumer is some great leader, but I will say McConnell has the much more easy job. The Republican Party is a combination of Trump Cult and Whores for the Rich. Rich Donors can order most Republican Senators to do whatever they want, no matter what they pretend to stand for, and honestly they don't stand for much other than being whores for the rich, so there is that. So in the end, they kind of are on the same page all the time, despite any pretense about libertarians versus evangelicals or any of that shit. And then there's Trump. They all know that in the end they answer to the Cult. They can squirm and scrounge and play make believe, but in the end, the Trumpista base keeps them all in line and facing in the same direction.
Schumer is dealing with a tougher situation. Most Democrats are interested in expanding government, doing something about climate change, but a couple of cuntish flakes named Manchin and Sinema are more interested in being noticed, being seen, playing some fucking game of their own, and there is not solid devotion to the rich or some cult to keep them in line when they go off on their crazy tangents.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||January 16, 2022 3:30 AM|
[quote] aka Dumb Person - people over 65 and people with disabilities have been able to vote by mail in Texas for the past 20 years with no issue. Up until Sore Loser Donnie Trump couldn't admit he was a big, fat loser.
Well, since I'm a dumb person, explain to me why they need a photo ID if they're voting by mail? If your point is that mail-in voting is going to be eliminated (and again, that sounds like typical Far Left hysteria), then they'll still need help getting to the polls just as they would to get the ID in the first place. I know I'm just a dumb person, but you sound a little unhinged. Well, more than a little actually.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||January 16, 2022 3:34 AM|
R119 aka Dumb Person they now need to have a photo ID to vote by mail - something Texans over 65 and with disabilities have been doing for 20 years without a photo ID because an idiot in the Texas Legislature decided it would impress Donnie Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||January 16, 2022 3:39 AM|
Dear Unhinged Person -
So then you're saying they now need a photo ID in order to get the application (now in person, presumably) to then vote by mail from home?
BTW, why would this be a Republican strategy? The elderly mostly vote Republican. Why would the Right wing wouldn't want to disenfranchise one of their voting blocks
|by Anonymous||reply 121||January 16, 2022 3:43 AM|
Sinema is just another Tulski Gabbard. A chaos agent paid by dark money to disrupt democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||January 16, 2022 3:47 AM|
Here ya go R117:
|by Anonymous||reply 123||January 16, 2022 3:54 AM|
Wow never realized gays are so much into communism and far-left ideals. But they would not date or be seen with a gay POC. What gives?
|by Anonymous||reply 124||January 16, 2022 4:12 AM|
Do you need a moment r124? Do you need to process something?
|by Anonymous||reply 125||January 16, 2022 4:17 AM|
Look, Biden gave them a year. Obviously they don't really care about their country or party. It's amazing to see videos of Sinema and how she was elected. Now she is nothing like that person. She was bought and should be ashamed of herself. Make them vote so they are on record as being lowly cowards and purchased. Cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||January 16, 2022 4:33 AM|
R121 you can look up the form to apply to vote by mail in Texas - in whatever county. Currently half of all the applications submitted in Travis Co. (Austin), Bexar Co. (San Antonio) and Harris Co. (Houston) have been refused claiming insufficient information. Odd that all 3 counties are Democratic bastions, isn't it?
|by Anonymous||reply 127||January 16, 2022 7:24 PM|
[quote]Wow never realized gays are so much into communism and far-left ideals.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||January 16, 2022 7:35 PM|
R128: These trolls are just pathetic at this point. Just stupid buzzwords, COMMUNISM, FAR LEFT, SJW, AAAIIIIIEEEEE!!!!!
Red tagging needs to become fashionable again.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||January 16, 2022 7:39 PM|
Socialism …real Socialism is the taking over of private companies by the government. I wish they would say that when they call Ds socialist
|by Anonymous||reply 130||January 16, 2022 7:44 PM|
The comments aren't loading...refreshed many times. There are 130 replies and I only get 74. 56 aren't loading. I turned off pc and cleared cache...no good.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||January 16, 2022 8:21 PM|
Try going back to either the homepage or another topic, then come back to this.
That usually works for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||January 16, 2022 8:28 PM|
R131: Refresh the browser, pull down your pants, wag your penis back and forth, making sure it smacks both of your thighs twice, and then do a helicopter with it. If your problems continue, please mail your computer and credit card with PIN to tech support.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||January 16, 2022 8:28 PM|
Good thing you didn’t tell me to do that.
My schmingy doesn’t get anywhere near my thigh no matter what I do.
Unfortunately, I’m hung like an elevator button.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||January 16, 2022 8:38 PM|
what straight man would go near her, she looks like she's got multiple STDs
|by Anonymous||reply 135||January 16, 2022 8:56 PM|
Don't forget *radical*, r129.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||January 16, 2022 9:18 PM|
R6, stop it.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||January 16, 2022 9:54 PM|
R86 - “ Has this been asked and answered yet? If it is dead, at least bring it up for a vote in the Senate and put EVERYONE on record. Why not?”
That’s part of Schumer’s plan. he announced, I believe a little over a week ago, that he’s bringing it to a floor vote.
Good. Fuck these naysayer anti-democratic senators/ congressmen. Get them on record, and let their persecutions begin.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||January 16, 2022 9:59 PM|
[quote] Odd that all 3 counties are Democratic bastions, isn't it?
Not really. It says more about the intelligence level of the people in those counties who can't even fill out a form properly.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||January 16, 2022 11:59 PM|
The form actually says you can either give you SS number OR your DL number. And then in the fine print on the back, it says both must be given.
The person who invented the voter suppression bill is chubby pint-sized Cowboy Curtis wannabe Briscoe Cain who famously went through gay conversion therapy, threatened to shoot Beto O'Rourke and who memorably attacked a bill in the Texas House to provide funding for palliative care in hospices because, according to him, palliative care = Sarah Palin's death panels. He was fully humiliated when a GOP House member who was also a physician had to give him the definition of palliative care.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||January 17, 2022 12:21 AM|
Kyrsten Sinema is a highly paid circus animal, doing tricks and stunts that her corporate and private far-right donors pay her to do.
Sinema and Manchin are no mystery when you understand that, in their hearts, they have come to embrace the white supremacist's ideology. This has become abundantly clear given their current alliances in Congress and elsewhere. This ideology has become the overriding "to-the-death" goal of today's Republican party. Trump is viewed as the GOP's most efficient conduit to achieve this goal, but white supremacists (this term includes teachers, doctors, actors, police officers, politicians, grocery clerks, grandmothers, etc) have figured out the means of getting it done without Trump if/when it becomes necessary. The ideology is, of course, built on fear: fear of the groups of people that "whites" have marginalized and oppressed for centuries, fear of retaliation, fear of vengeance, fear of reprisal. Ridiculously unfounded fears. There is no national movement of a single minority group to hasten this change of balance, which has been developing naturally since the country's formation. What is certain, however, is that these attempts to destabilize our government will, in the end, have catastrophic consequences for all levels of society. I also believe that it's too late to stop this chain of events. The movement has grown far beyond the control of its architects.
Getting back to the focused topic, even more sinister is the list of companies and wealthy donors throwing money at Sinema (linked below), the same ones likely funding Manchin as well. This demonstrates that the push for the destabilization of our current form of government goes deeper than the superficial list of GOP political actors. Dark corporate money is funding this gargantuan effort. It is the Final Push. Whether this country resurfaces after 2024 as an autocracy, an oligarchy, or as a series of disbanded and disputed states is all that remains to be seen.
Sinema’s donors: Groupon, GAP, Carvana, Blackstone, SC Johnson, DirectTV, Slimfast, Intuit, Crypto Kings, Sheryl Sandberg, Snowflake Inc, Hyatt, Cleveland Browns, Apple, Disney, & more
|by Anonymous||reply 141||January 17, 2022 1:17 AM|
Some activist biggie on twitter insists Sinema is running for the Dem nomination for Prez in 2024 as a blue dog Dem aka the new Tulsi Gabbard. There's definitely blood in the water about Biden and Harris.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||January 17, 2022 2:49 AM|
R8 Who is this Blossom person... Frishberg is classic.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||January 17, 2022 6:03 AM|
Sinema is my hero. A truly stunning and brave feminist.♥️
|by Anonymous||reply 144||January 17, 2022 6:15 AM|
She is a fucking purchased cunt. I hope she starts to get called out for the fucking money whore she is. She tried to convince us she meant well. Fucking cunt bitch. Go enjoy your money you filthy cunt
|by Anonymous||reply 145||January 17, 2022 6:40 AM|
Her and Joe Manchin need to stoned by Americans. Fucking filth. You fuck over your party like that you fucking filth.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||January 17, 2022 6:42 AM|
Sinema's bait and switch....I'm sure a lot of those big backers and donors didn't know she would pull this shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||January 17, 2022 11:47 AM|
Isn't it pretty much a given that Sinema will be gone if she runs for reelection? Aren't her approval numbers back home under the toilet? That may not help now, but hopefully the bitch will be history soon enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||January 17, 2022 12:21 PM|
R148 Arizona barely turned blue and could revert in the next election which is also why Sinema's playing this game. As for Manchin, Trump won West Virginia by 40 pts in 2020 so it's an absolute miracle there is even a blue dog Dem as a Senator. You can't expect too much. He's also fighting for his survival.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||January 17, 2022 6:18 PM|
While it is frustrating to deal with problems in your own party just imagine the Senate with Mitch as the Majority Leader. Manchin being a Dem even in name only is a miracle. Biden should have sat down a year ago and figured out what Manchin and Sinema would vote for. Strip bloated BBB into digestible pieces that would be popular like Child Tax Credit and pass that. Instead they have a bloated whale no can adequately explain and it still won't pass. And all the partisans just seethe with hatred against two Dem Senators and just make Republicans stronger.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||January 17, 2022 6:29 PM|
R150 and Biden should have tried to get Romney, Toomey, Murkowski on board. He's been spending too much time listening to the progressive caucus which only represents isolated, dark-blue districts and isn't representative of the rest of the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||January 17, 2022 6:34 PM|
Amen, R150 & R151.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||January 17, 2022 6:39 PM|
Schumer has announced that the Senate will be debating this bill tomorrow (1/18).
|by Anonymous||reply 153||January 17, 2022 6:42 PM|
Schumer spends most of his time trying to get Biden to cancel student debt so he won't be primaried by AOC.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||January 17, 2022 7:52 PM|
We've now got 153 posts here by two people and dollars to donuts neither of you really know what the bill says.
So why not take the time to read it then continue with an informed discussion.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||January 17, 2022 8:11 PM|
Why would Biden need to talk to Mittens and any Repubs. The Repub in Senate refused to even allow debate over the bill-the main one and the one lamely proposed by Joe Manchin who "said he was just sure he could get 10 Reubs to vote with him. Zero did.
It is well known in Washington that Sinema especially and Joe Manchin have been recruited by Mitch to make him the REAL Majority leader. Two Democratic Senators are doing everything in their power to obstruct and kill the Biden Presidency. They are being well paid .That is ALL.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||January 17, 2022 11:33 PM|
R156 if Manchin and Sinema flipped to GOP tomorrow, Mitch would be the Majority Leader tomorrow so that doesn't make sense
|by Anonymous||reply 157||January 17, 2022 11:38 PM|
Sinema is another Tulsi Gabbard.
Sinema is a pharmaceutical industry puppet. They bought her along with some other special interests.
Manchin is a Dino bought by the fossil fuel industry.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||January 18, 2022 12:01 AM|
Sinema and Manchin are thoroughly corrupt. And Sinema has the worst fashion sense I've ever seen in a pudgy 45 year old formerly fatty. She is a POS. Mitch McConnell started back door meetings with these two right before the vote on min. wage increase. Hell Sinema made enough off that transaction to buy herself a custom made Fuck Off ring. It's really all about the bejamins for these two pieces of rancid fecal material.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||January 18, 2022 1:44 AM|
I blame Schumer. That asshole is totally ineffectual and all he cares about is sucking up to Israel to get the Jewish vote in NY. He should be replaced by Amy Klobuchar. She'd kick some asses.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||January 18, 2022 1:54 AM|
What R160 said. I have said that about Schumer since he first stepped on the scene as a Congressman back in 1993. He’s an ineffectual, woosie, who never misses a chance to pat himself on the back. Nauseating and unnerving.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||January 18, 2022 2:16 AM|
[quote]I knew Marsha would be the idiot Senator sending out a tweet honoring Dr. King’s legacy… while all of her actions on voting rights are in direct opposition of his efforts.
[quote]If she believes this, she must vote for #FTVA #VotingRightsForMLK #MLKDay #WeDreamOfVotingRights
|by Anonymous||reply 162||January 18, 2022 3:51 AM|
I wonder what the reaction will be when Schumer forces a vote on breaking the filibuster and 4 other Dems vote against it?
|by Anonymous||reply 163||January 19, 2022 2:48 AM|
R163. Good try Bozo. The only 2 holdouts on this issue remain these 2 scum sucking bottom feeders. Mitch McConnell sure knew which 2 senators to target who completely lack integrity and are just willing to do or say anything for a quarter, nickel or dime. "Kyrsten Sinema is like the filibuster-an anti-democratic tool". Stephan Colbert. Ditto Joe Manchin. Thankfully the gloves are continuing to come off. Sen. Barbara Lee- paraphrasing "Sinema and Manchin aren't siding with the filibuster-they are siding with Donald Trump and the Republicans" Tim Kaine-"Joe Manchin is a friend and like his other "friends " in the Senate none of us understand what he is talking about defending the filibuster and not voting rights". Not to mention Clyburn, Warnock ,Teste,r Maggie Hassan etc.
Somebody needs to tell Sinema McConnell will have no use for her. Ditto Joe Manchin. If they turn on their own party and constituents they are untrustworthy. They will be pariahs in Democrats and Republican circles.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||January 19, 2022 3:08 AM|
Let the fallout begin. Bury this cunt!
|by Anonymous||reply 165||January 19, 2022 6:04 AM|
Does Chicken Salad Chick support them?
|by Anonymous||reply 166||January 19, 2022 7:31 AM|
Democratic Party is a scam operation.
Whether or not Datalounge forum members ever realize this…
|by Anonymous||reply 167||January 19, 2022 8:30 AM|
hope they both get raped
trump will definitely be reelected and we will have an authorization government with repubs in full control.
enjoy civilization white it lasts!
|by Anonymous||reply 168||January 19, 2022 9:13 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 169||January 19, 2022 12:07 PM|
R5 They wanted to make a point, obviously. They tried, but OF COURSE, Republicans have stopped any progress.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||January 19, 2022 12:25 PM|
R8 You are neither Black nor a woman. You tried it tho.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||January 19, 2022 12:27 PM|
R29 THAT'S hilarious. You think without the filibuster, it would've had a better chance at passing? By that group of bitter, old, small-dicked pieces of shit who stopped maturing in their teens?
|by Anonymous||reply 172||January 19, 2022 12:35 PM|
Manchin will make his hypocritical speech on the voting rights bill and filibuster rules at approximately 4:30 pm ET on CSPAN2.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||January 19, 2022 9:13 PM|
I meant authoritarian lol*
|by Anonymous||reply 174||January 19, 2022 9:18 PM|
I'm watching Manchin right now. Not surprisingly, he's repeating all of the same talking points Bitch McConnell made just yesterday. He also asked all of his "fellow Democrats" to respect his decision (to vote against the bill and against getting rid of the filibuster) and not to attack him for it. Disgusting fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||January 19, 2022 9:50 PM|
The Senate is about to vote to change the filibuster rule to pass voting rights. Of course we all know that the measure will fail.
Thanks, Joe Manchin.
Thanks, Kyrsten Sinema.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||January 20, 2022 3:20 AM|
True to their word, Manchin and Sinema have a voted against a change in the filibuster rule. This was the death knell for American democracy.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||January 20, 2022 3:36 AM|
Link to the SCOTUS ruling (PDF file)
|by Anonymous||reply 178||January 20, 2022 4:13 AM|
Clarence should recuse himself but that would require some basic respect for the country or of himself, of which he has neither.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||January 20, 2022 4:26 AM|
MSNBC just showed a clip of Republican Senators going up to Kyrsten Sinema after tonight's vote to shake her hand for effectively helping to kill the John Lewis Voting Rights bill. She was dressed all in red.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||January 20, 2022 4:32 AM|
Oops. Wrong thread at R178.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||January 20, 2022 4:34 AM|
these 2 corporate shills are SCUM
they both right wing billionaire donors who they're listening to over their own voters and the good of democracy
this will be their legacy
if congress falls into repub hands after the midterms this is partly on them. The repubs have shown they will not give up power again with their autocratic moves
|by Anonymous||reply 182||January 20, 2022 4:46 AM|
Here's Kyrsten Sinema (in red) happily shaking hands with her GOP buddies after the vote earlier tonight
|by Anonymous||reply 183||January 20, 2022 4:48 AM|
So U.S. Americans: vote for the party that doesn't want you to vote.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||January 20, 2022 4:50 AM|
No, Republicans killed it. Sinema and Manchin were bought off.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||January 20, 2022 4:51 AM|
Sinema should enjoy her next 3 years as senator. Her career is over after that. She is now definitely getting a primary. She is now 1 of the most hated women in the country. congrats traitor
unfortunately we're stuck with Manchin. West Virginia is moving redder and redder and it doesn't seem any other Democrat could win a statewide election there
|by Anonymous||reply 186||January 20, 2022 4:52 AM|
[Quote] We need to get the lowdown on who funds them and destroy those businesses. Corporations have no place in politics and no one should be making serious bank as a politician.
This is a start.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||January 20, 2022 5:02 AM|
check this out
|by Anonymous||reply 188||January 20, 2022 5:06 AM|
People need to come to terms with the reality that the 1% have already made a determination to transition our government into an outright, autocratic fascist regime. The narrative is being laid down in their corporate controlled media in order to smooth the way for it. Biden can try to deny it otherwise, but this is the plan. Unless the public has a mass awakening to this reality and resists it by any means necessary, then the US will turn into the fourth reich, not necessarily with Trump helming the fascist ship.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||January 20, 2022 5:07 AM|
Crossing the aisle is not uncommon in parliamentary systems. The Democrats failed to win sufficient seats in the Senate. Sinema and Manchin should NOT be the end of everything. The Electoral College in the US is INSANE. Midterms are stupid constructs. Give the chose party a chance to govern. The US loves to be in continual election cycles. You're far too attached to "winners" and "losers."
You have no representation by population, which is the basic law of democracy. AND you vote for local representation SEPARATELY from your president - which is insane. Choose a side and a party. American politics rely far too much on personality. There are five better people who could have been the Democratic President. But Americans are petty and afraid about women and progressives.
Democrat Presidents proved to be weak leaders in the last 30 years. Even and especially Obama. The United States would not be where it is if Obama had done a few things differently. About the Supreme Court and most importantly about what he allowed before the election in 2016. He made no comment on Russian interference and allowed the lie of the Comey report to go unanswered. He was jokey about Trump - when the world was in real danger. Fascism does await your country. You're already in a virtual civil war. The art of the possible is dead. Only progressives or violent uprising can save your now.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||January 20, 2022 5:09 AM|
Anyone else remember ABSCAM?......Maybe it's time for the FBI to look into updating that investigation?.....
|by Anonymous||reply 191||January 20, 2022 5:10 AM|
Why didn't those two just run as Republicans?
|by Anonymous||reply 192||January 20, 2022 5:11 AM|
question = Politicians are not voting for their states anymore. They vote for their own personal interest. Which makes you wonder WHAT they (the politicians) are getting out of it...
|by Anonymous||reply 193||January 20, 2022 5:13 AM|
what I wish would happen is rich Democrats to throw money at Manchin and Sinema
who was that guy from California who ran for President in 2020 but had no chance? What's he doing with his money?
|by Anonymous||reply 194||January 20, 2022 5:15 AM|
[bold] "We do NOT support term limits on OURSELVES. There is a reason for that" ------->> Every Elected Official in D.C.[/bold]
|by Anonymous||reply 195||January 20, 2022 5:16 AM|
R8 Stacey Abrams is a great Democratic leader, she has certainly shown the party that she wants to make a difference in her home state and she has and will continue to do!
However what we need now is a similar manifestation in the Midwest, the Mid Atlantic, and specially the rest of the deep South. We need more leaders like Ms. Abrams to come forward and deep down we have them in our capacity.
The Left is losing Worldwide, unfortunately so is humankind along the way, there is so little we know about the universe yet alone our planet, yet we continue fighting about irrelevant shit slung our way by a totally fuck up right wing party who has chosen to actively fight reality in almost every way possible ever since they lost the Nixon presidency half a century ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||January 20, 2022 5:53 AM|
Stacy Abrams IS a great democratic leader. Whose career will never result in leadership. Wrong time and place for Stacy. She won't win as Governor. Again. Who is going to stump for her that is not currently hated? Biden, Harris, Obama and Hillary are poison names. Stacy will never get near the presidency. She's constitutionally qualified to deal with it all. It's not a nice guy competition. No black woman will be president in the next 20 years. Not even Michelle or Oprah could be elected NOW in the United States of fascist racial divide.
The Democrats and Dataloungers were monumentally STUPID to be so hard on Amy OR Warren. Your Party is over.
Pete, are you kidding me? He's more a school board trustee.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||January 20, 2022 6:10 AM|
I hope the northwest stages form their own county and so do thr northeast.
The south can go back to the Gilead days
|by Anonymous||reply 198||January 20, 2022 6:15 AM|
Nancy won't allow a vote to be held if she doesn't have the votes to win. It's ridiculous to think that there is some kind of victory in such a a humiliating defeat. Schumer has no idea what to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||January 20, 2022 6:28 AM|
We have to split into two countries. Let them have their first dictatorship while we have democracy.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||January 20, 2022 7:03 AM|
I CANNOT wait until these geriatric FUCKS turn on this CUNT.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||January 20, 2022 10:12 AM|
R189 Oh, he'll be at the helm-maybe not as POTUS-but he'll continue to drive the boat.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||January 20, 2022 10:16 AM|
Please ease up on this fascism stuff. There are election laws that make it harder to vote.But it becomes harder for everyone to vote. If Dems won’t show up that’s on them. There are election laws that involve counting the votes. Those are dangerous and laws should be passed to make sure they are not unconstitutional. I think the Dems could even find some Republican votes to pass laws or that should at least try. Maybe not but it’s worth the effort.
Voting rights are not going to bring millions of people out to vote in 2022. Maybe the issue should be that important but it isn’t. Democrats must focus on things people actually care about. Once it was clear this would fail, I don’t understand the need to have another vote. Hopefully like BBB Dems will break the big bills down into pieces people can understand and get behind.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||January 20, 2022 11:00 AM|
[quote]There are election laws that involve counting the votes. Those are dangerous and laws should be passed to make sure they are not unconstitutional. I think the Dems could even find some Republican votes to pass laws or that should at least try.
I agree. The problem though is that Democrats want to load up any bill with everything including the kitchen sink. We saw that with the reconciliation bill. They need to focus on one piece at a time. The voting bill could have been split into 10 or 20 smaller bills, and some would fail and some might have succeeded.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||January 20, 2022 11:06 AM|
These threads are such a mess. Lots of trolling and disordered thinking and extreme, unwarranted violent thoughts, and hours upon hours of people working really hard to make you feel like you should give up, stop caring, unless of course you want to start a new civil war, THAT they think you should care about.
I think the people who claim to be Democrats who want to literally murder Manchin and Sinema are trolls wanting to make liberals look bad. They're probably the same people who say they want Nancy Pelosi dead, they just do it with different accounts.
Given how easy it is to fool the average DLer with trolling, and how so many DLers can't understand even basic, clearly written posts, I do get concerned that there are some here who will be affected by threads like these. But since there's only, what, maybe 100 real people here total, I can't imagine turning a couple of DLers into non-voters or rightwingers will actually accomplish anything.
Lotta energy being expended here for zero payoff.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||January 20, 2022 11:10 AM|
Thousands can get to the Welfare office for public handouts where they have their picture taken, but can't get a Photo ID to vote? This phony scheme coordinated by Schumer backfired.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||January 20, 2022 11:16 AM|
R186 she doesn't care. She is running for first female President and thinks she's going to get the centrist vote. She is convinced she is God's gift to mankind and is nakedly career focused. She doesn't give a shit about democracy, only the quest for power.
Her LOUD "AYE" voting against the filibuster rule change is typical of her performative bullshit. Remember her curtsy flourish when voting against Dem legislation not that long ago.
Also let's not forget how she said she was bisexual before she ran for Senate, and then suddenly has forgotten that she ever said that. She's an opportunist.
I can't wait for her hopes to be dashed.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||January 20, 2022 12:02 PM|
Easy R103. Barbara Streisand and Sean Peen can use some of their millions to set up free ride services for those folks to obtain ID.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||January 20, 2022 1:28 PM|
Based on recent news that Sinema and Manchin received lots of $$ from Republican donors, I still don't understand why we don't just offer MORE $$$ to these grifting whores than they're getting from Repubs. Since neither has any morals or dignity, you know they'd gladly change sides for the $$$.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||January 20, 2022 4:12 PM|
You could stock your compound and arm up for Civil War II.
Or, you could run for your local election board.
I think the latter is more productive, but that's just me.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||January 20, 2022 4:29 PM|
So now only white people can vote in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||January 20, 2022 4:33 PM|
What voting rights? Voting rights just need to be used. I'm for Id's, one day to vote, no henchmen with bullyclubs at the polls trying to intimidate voters, clean up absentee voting mess. Thank you Manchin & Sinema.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||January 20, 2022 5:01 PM|
^^Oh, fucking dear!
|by Anonymous||reply 213||January 20, 2022 5:07 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 214||January 20, 2022 5:10 PM|
Yes...enjoy this small window of time until November...because it's all over after the mid-terms. Fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||January 20, 2022 5:14 PM|
Two right wing Democrats fucking everything up on both Voting Rights and Build Back Better and the trolls blame the Squad and all progressives. My god, Datalounge is dying. It's becoming impossible to have a real conversation about anything here because of the trolling. It's all over this thread and it's all utterly nonsensical.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||January 20, 2022 5:22 PM|
R216 you're blaming two Democrats, rather than the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY which does nothing but obstruct.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||January 20, 2022 5:32 PM|
R217: Because the GOP blows, that's what they do. The 2 right wing Democrats are LETTING them obstruct everything. What part of that don't you understand?
|by Anonymous||reply 218||January 20, 2022 6:52 PM|
We can blame both, r217...
|by Anonymous||reply 219||January 20, 2022 6:58 PM|
R218 vote in more people so the Republicans can't do it. Can't govern without a real majority.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||January 20, 2022 7:04 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 221||January 20, 2022 7:26 PM|
R219: What the fuck does that mean? These 2 right wing Democrats are letting the Nazis destroy this country. THAT IS BLAMING BOTH, you retard. Sit down and shut up.
This sick compulsion some of you have to NEVER blame any Democrat for ANYTHING is disturbing.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||January 20, 2022 8:08 PM|
I think some of you are more turned on by the branding and the fight than the actual bill.
Part of the reason Sinema and Manchin are comfortable with being no votes on this is they know it’s just red meat. If Democrats actually spelled out what “voter suppression” measures are being passed, instead of making vague allusions to Jim Crow and poll taxes and trundling out every black politico they can find to be triggered by such rhetoric, there may be a bit more cohesion.
But you’re never going to make “show a valid state ID” sound like an evil scheme, not even to Black people. I’m fact, a black friend of mine — a Democrat btw — told me they think this whole issue is really about passing relaxed voter ID laws so more undocumented immigrants can vote. Unofficially. He said Black people are the most documented, carded, stopped and frisked people in the country. They’re not afraid to show an ID to vote. That’s one of the few times it actually makes sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||January 20, 2022 8:17 PM|
Say....what, r222? I may be a retard, but you have major reading comprehension issues.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||January 20, 2022 9:24 PM|
R224 he's so angry and throwing around "NAZIS" which means everything he says can be safely ignored.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||January 20, 2022 9:26 PM|
To be clear, r222, BOTH the Republicans AND Manchin/Sinema are to blame. Now take a Nervine.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||January 20, 2022 9:27 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 227||January 20, 2022 9:28 PM|
If you don’t live in West Virginia or Arizona, Manchin and Sinema don’t give a damn about your opinion. They don’t even listen to their own constituents, who favor the voting rights bill.
I’m not surprised by Manchin, though I am angry. He’s always been a despicable bastard. As for Sinema, she’s beneath contempt. The only powerful word that describes her is CUNT.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||January 21, 2022 12:47 AM|
Thanks, R123. I don't think much of her prospects, but I feel sorry for the people who helped her win election. They were ripped off. And she's delusional. The overlords may think they can control her, but people don't trust women holding power. Chuck Schumer has done a lousy job, but no one ever talks about replacing him. Pelosi is a powerhouse and there are always people at transition periods talking about replacing her as Speaker.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||January 21, 2022 1:44 AM|
[quote] And Sinema has the worst fashion sense I've ever seen in a pudgy 45 year old formerly fatty.
She shops at Forever 21.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||January 21, 2022 1:46 AM|
She dresses *cute*. She thinks she's *cute*.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||January 21, 2022 1:53 AM|
Someone on DL aptly posted that Sinema needs a properly fitted bra.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||January 21, 2022 2:06 AM|
She thinks she's forever 21..
|by Anonymous||reply 233||January 21, 2022 2:18 AM|
She needs shaping not inches, r232...
|by Anonymous||reply 234||January 21, 2022 2:30 AM|
I'm sure Sinema is mental. Some form of personality disorder combined with delusions of self importance. A mix between Julian Assange and Angelina Jolie.
This woman is seriously nuts!
|by Anonymous||reply 235||January 21, 2022 12:06 PM|
Did Stacey Abrams say where she went when Biden was in GA? Because if someone’s gig is fighting voter suppression in the state of GA, you think they’d cancel whatever they had scheduled that day, go stand with the president of their party and their country and reschedule their previous commitment. Not being with the president when he comes to your state to make a speech about your pet cause is a red flag.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||January 21, 2022 2:23 PM|
Stacey had an appointment to get her hair and nails done.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||January 22, 2022 1:36 AM|
I don't agree with Manchin's antics and his manipulation of the process; but can understand why, in his mind, the choice he pursued was prudent. He's very stubborn and didn't want to displease his special interests' backers.
Sinema wanted to be courted, loves to play head games, thinks she is smart and pretty, and is beholden to big pharma and supports the big tax cuts for the rich. Arizona Dems need to primary her in 2024 and get her dumped.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||January 22, 2022 1:54 AM|
Stacey knows an old white political albatross when she hears it drone on and on. And she didn't want any young black girls mishandled by Biden. Again.
The Dems are going be slaughtered in the mid terms and in 2024. No reason for Stacey Abrams to lose her momentum.🙏🏾
|by Anonymous||reply 239||January 22, 2022 4:14 AM|
Let the eviscerations proceed. Burn you cunt!
|by Anonymous||reply 240||January 22, 2022 9:28 PM|
Good for Aeizona. Kick the cunt in the cunt bone! I know she's going to regain the 90 pounds she lost 4 or 5 years ago and have to shop at Forever 21 Stout shop. What a pig!
|by Anonymous||reply 241||January 22, 2022 10:01 PM|
It's exactly the same as when Wyoming censured Cheney.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||January 23, 2022 12:09 PM|
I hate that censure is being used like a tennis ball, BUT I don't hate that Sinema got it.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||January 24, 2022 10:37 AM|
We've had mail in voting for decades in the PacNW. We do not have widespread voter fraud, and never had, but we do vote blue in WA and OR. Silly lies, easy to expose.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||January 24, 2022 10:42 AM|
I remember Trump bringing up voter fraud wayyy before the actual election. I remember thinking to myself that it was so odd he even brought it up. It was obviously a contingency plan. He was getting his toilet babies primed and worked up long before actually losing,
|by Anonymous||reply 245||January 24, 2022 11:14 AM|
People like r223 are the worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||January 24, 2022 11:23 AM|
[quote] I remember Trump bringing up voter fraud wayyy before the actual election.
I do too. And I remember thinking “That’s what you would go with when you lose? Who the fuck would be that gullible to believe that? Imagine knowing what the con is and still falling for it anyway. What a dope.”
Turns out I was the dope who didn’t realize exactly how stupid a huge chunk of America can be.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||January 24, 2022 3:00 PM|
[quote]I hate that censure is being used like a tennis ball, BUT I don't hate that Sinema got it.
On one hand I'm glad they did it, but on the other I worry that public shaming just gives her an excuse to flip. She's much more of a straight-up troll than Manchin.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||January 24, 2022 3:09 PM|
All the Trump supporters need to be informed that Mitch McConnell was among the first to betray Trump and Qanon, that old demon needs to bear the weight of their hatred.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||January 25, 2022 7:24 AM|
R235 I started a thread about that and was dismissed by people on here. There is a group of DLers who get very angry if you mention Cluster B in any context.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||January 25, 2022 3:47 PM|
Right after she voted, Sinema was high-fiving, hugging, and doing handshakes with Republican Senators. Defying Democrats with her vote wasn't enough, she had to gleefully rub it in and make a spectacle about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||January 26, 2022 12:00 AM|