Not saying I doubt her, and I only half follow this whole story. But I also wonder about the possibility that maybe this man didn't do what she claims. Is it possible? I hear so much about him but I've not heard any specific details of her situation. She signed a settlement with Jeffrey Epstein and she had years to go after Andrew. Are her allegations just that, or does anyone know what actual evidence she has, aside from a photo with him? Sometimes I wonder if some people accused of sexual abuse/harassment might, in fact, be innocent or at least innocent in the ways the abuse is claimed because we rarely hear about hard evidence, just supposition that eventually becomes guilt by default. Go ahead bitches, have at me. But it's a serious question.
Virginia Giuffre, the woman suing Prince Andrew - Has there been any scrutiny of her allegations at all?
|by Anonymous||reply 95||January 19, 2022 11:40 PM|
Multiple witnesses who saw her with Andrew. The two more interesting ones: 1) Maintenance man on Epstein's island said he saw Andy 'grinding up against her' by the pool 2) Johanna Sjoberg says that she participated with sexual touching with Andrew, Virginia and a Spitting Image puppet in the presence of Ghislaine.
Contemporaries like Carolyn Andriano who says that Virginia told her about having had sex with Andrew and showed her the photograph at the time, years before any public claims.
Andrew has been photographed with Epstein and Maxwell multiple times and his BBC interview was full of unconvincing claims to try to explain away the claims. It is a fact that Epstein and Maxwell were using multiple girls for sex. There was little other reason to take a 17 year old random girl they had no personal relation to around the world. Photographs, flight logs back this up as well as criminal convictions against both for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||January 13, 2022 7:01 PM|
Is she claiming he raped her? She was 17 right? Not sure what the laws were in Florida at the time, but I can't see him going to jail in the US. She shoulda just asked for a high 7-figure payout.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||January 13, 2022 7:05 PM|
R1, I have not yet heard any of that. Are there any details out there of how she escaped from that? Hasn't Epstein been accused of literally holding women against their will?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||January 13, 2022 7:06 PM|
R3 FFS, you aren't doing this in good faith. Bye then if you can't be bothered to read the information and actual claims that are out there.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||January 13, 2022 7:08 PM|
OP + Princeling Andrew, stripped of his titles and bitter because he can't hide under mommy's skirt!
|by Anonymous||reply 5||January 13, 2022 8:00 PM|
I’m sure she didn’t think, “ Wow, I’m going to have sex with a prince”
|by Anonymous||reply 6||January 13, 2022 8:08 PM|
She was PAID 15,000.00 for sleeping with andrew. She was shacked up with a drug dealer bwfore she met epstein, she got under age girls to work for epstein and now she is calling herself a victim ???
|by Anonymous||reply 7||January 13, 2022 8:43 PM|
Where exactly "out there" are this information and these claims, r3? It's intriguing that, given how huge a story this is, the actual allegations are never detailed. The judge doesn't even think they're necessary.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||January 16, 2022 10:12 AM|
Actually, r6, in London she did. She told her mother and grandmother where she was and who she was with and they, according to Giuffre herself, asked her to have a photograph taken with Andrew. This was before she had sex with him and she knew exactly what was about to happen. She has a beaming smile and her arm around him.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||January 16, 2022 10:14 AM|
OP You can bet that young woman and others like her who might have considered coming forward and then backed away, have had every hair on their asses thoroughly investigated multiple times trying to intimidate them or deny their accusations. When you go after powerful people you expect to get ripped to sheds. The fact that she is still standing is a miracle, in a way. So I believe her. Absolutely.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||January 16, 2022 10:24 AM|
Yes, she seems to have been quite willing, but she was also legally a child in the US (she is a US citizen and she is suing him in the US) and therefore was unable to meaningfully consent. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||January 16, 2022 10:28 AM|
FYI What Queen Elizabeth did to Andrew was totally disown him. Legally. It has nothing to do with him being disgusting, although in the eyes of the rest of the family he is. It is ALL about the money. Once they filed that civil suit and exposed the RF to some liability, Andrew was out. The RF has a lot of very important assets and investments in America that they want to protect, and Andrew also does individually. So the RF is putting up a wall around their $$$ wealth. This is "circle the wagons" time and Andrew is out. And yes he cried, but all of them, Anne, Edward and Sophie, and the Cambridges, as well as Charles and Camilla were united. Follow the money,
|by Anonymous||reply 12||January 16, 2022 3:44 PM|
OP is a troll who is well aware of the allegations against Andrew.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||January 16, 2022 3:47 PM|
Hypothetically speaking, even if someone doesn't believe her, why was a 17 year old girl hanging out with a billionaire, an heiress, and a prince? Does that sound normal?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||January 16, 2022 3:51 PM|
I've mentioned it before here on datalounge. I met a guy from London in 2003. I asked him which one of the Queens sons was gay. Up until that point I assumed it was Prince Edward. He seemed like a gay boy to me. My British friend told me that Prince Andrew was the GAY boy. I wonder if the REAL scandal about him is having sex with underage BOYS not girls.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||January 16, 2022 3:57 PM|
I don't believe any of these allegations. Batshit crazy lying women like Rose McGowan are who you are dealing with here.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||January 16, 2022 4:09 PM|
R15 What would your British friend know though? Likely nothing. Do you have insider connections with celebs in the US? The UK isn't as small as you think it is either - we're densely populated and most people have no insider connections with royals for sure. I'm 99% sure that Andrew is straight. He doesn't ping at all and there are too many stories and connections with women for me to think otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||January 16, 2022 4:21 PM|
[R17], I read on some site in the early 2000s called The Gossip List that PA was gay and HIV+ and that when he died the family would say it was cancer. I emailed them suggesting that they were mistaken and perhaps they meant Edward.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||January 16, 2022 6:36 PM|
I'm curious about her back story as well. I believe her but I wonder why she'd go after Andrew and not one of the other nameless but wealthy men who used her. I am not judging her! I just want to know more.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||January 16, 2022 6:43 PM|
R19 She had a terrible background, basically no good parental support or supervision. Trafficked women are usually vulnerable women from bad backgrounds with no money.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||January 16, 2022 6:45 PM|
R18 Yes, I think it's just people gossiping without having any actual insider knowledge or verification. It spreads and so on. I don't believe for 1 single moment that Andrew is gay. It just doesn't make sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||January 16, 2022 6:48 PM|
I get that she has a sob story from birth through her teenage years, but what about since then? How did she leave Epstein? What did she do next?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||January 16, 2022 6:48 PM|
OP doesn’t sweat. He physically unable to.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||January 16, 2022 6:51 PM|
R15 R17 R18 One story going around at the time of the Windsor Castle fire (November 1992) is that Andrew was there with a male companion. There was news video of him helping carry values out of castle.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||January 16, 2022 6:53 PM|
R22 How did she leave him? According to her memoir she had for years told him that she wanted to train as a professional masseur. He decided he wanted to have a baby with her. She said that she would think about it if she could train as a professional masseur. He arranged a trip to Thailand for her to take a massage course.
She went on that trip, met her husband (Robbie Giuffre) and very quickly married him... and that was the end of it.. she called Epstein to tell him about the marriage and he was curt/cold. The end. That's how it ended. If you really wanted to know, in good faith (which I doubt).
|by Anonymous||reply 25||January 16, 2022 6:53 PM|
R24 Which I don't believe for one minute. Andrew vibes like a gross straight man to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||January 16, 2022 6:55 PM|
[quote] If you really wanted to know, in good faith (which I doubt).
Then what did she do? Is she a stay at home mom? Did she ever become a professional masseur?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||January 16, 2022 6:59 PM|
R27 Yes, she is a stay at home mom - she has had three children since. The masseur career not unsurprisingly appears to have been abandoned (frankly, I'm a bit relieved at that).
|by Anonymous||reply 28||January 16, 2022 7:02 PM|
R26 R24 Clarification: The video was of Andrew, not the other guy... I see your point. However, many British men seem Gay even though they are not (Public School education). Maybe it's the opposite for upper class gentlemen.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||January 16, 2022 7:04 PM|
R29 Well, I am British myself i.e. used to British men and Andrew does not seem gay at all to me, if that helps.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||January 16, 2022 7:09 PM|
R30 It does. Thank you.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||January 16, 2022 7:12 PM|
A former colleague was friends with an aristo gay in London. He told her the marriage with Fergie broke up because she caught him with a guy. He said Andrew was gay and HIV+. Fergie behaved atrociously and yet Andrew forgave her. I'm thinking he never had sex with Giuffre but he may have had sex with the pilot....
|by Anonymous||reply 32||January 16, 2022 7:20 PM|
R32 That just sounds like DL-ers claiming that every man is gay. I don't buy it. Besides, Giuffre has several witnesses, I would bet on her being the one to win the case. Andrew has nothing convincing on his side so far that I've heard.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||January 16, 2022 7:25 PM|
She was 17 when she claimed she had sex with Andrew. Age of consent in the UK is 16. Only thing she's after is a big payout. She was originally represented by Gloria Allred and her publicity chasing daughter. They dropped her. Not a good sign for Giuffre. She's now represented by Weinstein's lawyer.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||January 16, 2022 7:28 PM|
David Boies was Weinstein’s lawyer, but he’s also one of the most talented civil litigators in America. She’s clearly not just after a big payday or else she would have taken a giant settlement and shut up.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||January 16, 2022 7:32 PM|
What's she after? She pimped other girls to Epstein. In the Epstein documentary, she came off as a shady as shit character.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||January 16, 2022 7:41 PM|
R36 IMO Giuffre wants Andrew to tell the truth.
Radical but I 'get it'. I have personally experienced people lying about me and I hate it. I felt this incredible desire to the truth to be illustrated.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||January 16, 2022 7:44 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 38||January 16, 2022 7:45 PM|
Maybe Giuffre should tell the truth about all the girls she recruited for Epstein. She was mini-Maxwell.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||January 16, 2022 7:47 PM|
She was 17 years old and being pimped out around the world after growing up with no real love and guidance. Stop acting like she’s some equivalent of Epstein or Maxwell. All to defend a totally useless and grotesque person like Andrew.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||January 16, 2022 7:48 PM|
R39 'Carolyn' in the Maxwell trial also recruited other girls for money. Maxwell still got found guilty. That's not the get out of jail free card you think it is. Trafficked women were manipulated and abused from a young age to participate in Epstein's criminal enterprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||January 16, 2022 7:52 PM|
[quote] she participated with sexual touching with Andrew, Virginia and a Spitting Image puppet
A puppet? Of whom? Andrew himself, or (shudder) the queen?
Why has this not been talked about more? That’s truly perverse.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||January 16, 2022 8:01 PM|
R42 Andrew himself. Just google Johanna Sjoberg and 'spitting image puppet' - there are several articles covering her claims.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||January 16, 2022 8:04 PM|
I love how obvious brf propaganda is. This thread now going to be shared on Twitter as an example. Thanks op
|by Anonymous||reply 44||January 16, 2022 8:10 PM|
R39 Keep repeating that mantra to yourself. Fact is Virginia Roberts was a teenaged prostitute under the thumb of two rich and powerful individuals. While she was technically of age, she was trafficked acrosd international borders. Like most prostitutes, she recruited others along the way. The blame all lies squarely with Epstein and Maxwell for being the masterminds and executors of this whole scheme. Secondly, blame lies with the johns, like Andrew, who should have known better. As son of the monarch, with great power comes great responsibility. He’s stupider than a turd for becoming tangled in Epstein’s world. I’m glad Roberts is a thorn in his side. It’s a symbolic victory to see him cornered and squirming like the rat he is.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||January 16, 2022 8:16 PM|
Prince Andrew's acolytes must be really desperate. Now they're putting forth the idea that he couldn't have had sex with that underage girl, because he's actually Gay! (And he can't perspire, either.) Case closed!
|by Anonymous||reply 46||January 16, 2022 8:25 PM|
[Quote] Has there been any scrutiny of her allegations at all?
You mean other than by the judge who’s repeated ruled that her case should go forward and refused to dismiss it at Andrew’s behest?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||January 16, 2022 8:27 PM|
Lady CC in her latest tirade actually said that Andy's reputation as a playboy was inaccurate. I think she was alluding to the fact that he is gay. I think he is likely bi, as is or was Charles, whom Diana caught in bed with his valet.
R36, to which documentary are you referring?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||January 16, 2022 8:28 PM|
The doc is called Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich (Netflix).
|by Anonymous||reply 49||January 16, 2022 8:29 PM|
Lady CC is full of shit, sorry.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||January 16, 2022 8:30 PM|
Prince Andrew was actually good-looking back when he was allegedly banging Giuffre. So my question is: why didn't he hook up with some beautiful girl? She was ordinary and trailer trash. He could have scored some real beauties if he was straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||January 16, 2022 8:31 PM|
R51 NO he was not good looking. I actually met him at about the same time and he was gross. Ugly, brown, shrivelled, short, gross. I did not find him remotely attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||January 16, 2022 8:32 PM|
Andrew is a perv.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||January 16, 2022 8:33 PM|
It is satisfying in that he was a totally completely nasty spoiled prick who treated people like crap. And a complete user. He claims he did not regret knowing Epstein because he introduced him to important people. The Queen of England's son needs a pimp to introduce him to important people?!!! What like teenage girls? When a straight man's dick is on high alert a fertile nubile young thing is a nuclear torpedo target.
And then staying for four days with Epstein to tell him the friendship is over? Whatever happened to royal ghosting? What a decent man.
But the gay stuff I don't buy for a second. There is absolutely nothing to back this up. Nothing. Everything he has exhibited is entitled straight man shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||January 16, 2022 8:33 PM|
Andrew’s also famously stupid and lazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||January 16, 2022 8:33 PM|
Sure you did R52. And I bet you think Prince Harry, the snaggle-toothed Ginger Friar Tuck with the close-set beady eyes, is a real hunk.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||January 16, 2022 8:34 PM|
Even those of you who hate Harry have to admit he’s more attractive than Andrew!! Come on now! Andrew’s little rat mouth :-/
|by Anonymous||reply 57||January 16, 2022 8:35 PM|
R56 I have never met Prince Harry in my life. But I did get presented with an award by Andrew in 2000 which is almost the same time Virginia Giuffre claims to have had sex with him. I have also met Princess Diana and SHE was the one who had bags of charisma. Andrew - none.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||January 16, 2022 8:37 PM|
Harry's always been ugly. What are you smoking?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||January 16, 2022 8:38 PM|
Sarah Ferguson gets to retain royal title.
What does she know exactly? And why would she spill anything? She has her daughters to think about.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||January 16, 2022 8:40 PM|
Sarah Ferguson does NOT have a royal title. And she would spill everything because she has never been able to keep her fat trap shut. The fact that Andrew has hung onto her makes it seem likely she knows he's gay. She couldn't be jealous of that, she would be jealous if he had a girlfriend. And why hasn't he had a girlfriend since their divorce if he's straight? God knows, Fergie's publicly banged any dick she could find.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||January 16, 2022 8:46 PM|
Andrew is the fuggest of all men I have ever seen. Just trust me as someone who has seen him in person.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||January 16, 2022 8:48 PM|
Duchess of York is not a royal title?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||January 16, 2022 8:49 PM|
Years ago there was a nude ull frontal of Andrew when he was in the military on a beach heading into the water. It did not look at all photoshopped and he looked great. It was clearly scrubbed from the internet.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||January 16, 2022 9:10 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 65||January 16, 2022 9:10 PM|
I find her husband Robert to be kind of sexy, in a beefy sort of way (ok, fat).
|by Anonymous||reply 66||January 16, 2022 10:25 PM|
R24 I remember this blind item from a couple of years ago.........
|by Anonymous||reply 67||January 16, 2022 11:52 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 68||January 16, 2022 11:58 PM|
I'm bored with this case.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||January 17, 2022 12:15 AM|
Oh, how can you be bored - this is the most exciting case in years!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||January 17, 2022 12:28 AM|
R67 certainly sounds like Andrew and Fergie and that jives what what my friend heard about Andrew.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||January 17, 2022 12:29 AM|
Crazydaysandnights is not a reliable source at all. The guy is a fantasist who writes several blinds every DAY. Who can possibly source that many blinds every day? It doesn't even pass the common sense test.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||January 17, 2022 12:33 AM|
Fergie has always been a leaker. She sells information for money. The tabloids know and love her.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||January 17, 2022 12:42 AM|
R69 I thought I was the only one. For whatever reason I just don't find any of this that interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||January 17, 2022 12:49 AM|
R74 yeah I mean Virginia has complaints and allegations. And? So?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||January 17, 2022 12:54 AM|
It’s fascinating that someone bored by this case would take the time to read the thread when there are hundreds of others on DL. Come to think of it, it’s fascinating that anyone finds literally anything about Andrew worth defending. I guess it takes all kinds.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||January 17, 2022 12:56 AM|
I find it even weirder the fact that a bunch of posters want Andrew to be gay even though there's nothing remotely reliable to indicate that. He isn't even hot. So why??? It's strange.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||January 17, 2022 12:59 AM|
R76 i’ve had a lifelong interest in the royal family but I just can’t get interested in this story. I’m sorry you’re so invested that it’s difficult for you to hear.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||January 17, 2022 1:06 AM|
R72 It's a reader blind item, sent in my me.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||January 17, 2022 1:08 AM|
R76 No one defended him. I have no investment in the fate of a pampered one percenter. I just said that for whatever reason I am not very gripped by the story for all the 24/7 attention it's receiving. As for reading the thread I only browsed it.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||January 17, 2022 1:12 AM|
I'm not a fan of PA but why is he the only one singled out? There must have been richer guys porking her on the island.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||January 17, 2022 1:27 AM|
R81 It's the British tabloids pushing it all the time. They are obsessed with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||January 17, 2022 1:29 AM|
Robby Benson is not connected with this case, but says "hi".
|by Anonymous||reply 83||January 17, 2022 2:26 AM|
Most of the shit on the CrazyDays website is just that: shit. But occasionally people who want to dump real gossip anonymously will stick it on there.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||January 17, 2022 2:44 AM|
[quote][R42] Andrew himself. Just google Johanna Sjoberg and 'spitting image puppet' - there are several articles covering her claims.
OMG. I knew he was a nonce but I didn't realize he was a full-blown PERVERT. Ugh!
|by Anonymous||reply 85||January 17, 2022 2:46 AM|
All these journalists didn't report the A lister because everyone likes him? This sure as hell is not Andrew. You will look in vain to find anything complimentary about him which is why this story has so much traction. Everyone dislikes him immensely and is overjoyed that now that he is in his 60s mommy has had enough and at 95 no longer has the energy fend off all the townspeople with pitchforks.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||January 17, 2022 2:07 PM|
R86 who knows - maybe back then Andrew was a 'hail-fellow-well-met' type the journos liked. And a lot of those journos back in the day would have been closeted themselves and you didn't out people. The description of the trashy 'fiery' (red-headed?) wife everybody dislikes is spot on.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||January 17, 2022 5:11 PM|
That woman's story has constantly changed. Gloria Allred dropped her as a client because Allred said she caught her in outright lies. The prosecutors in Maxwell's case wouldn't call her as a witness because they found her unreliable.
Don't get me wrong. Andrew is a disgusting perv and a most disagreeable man. Birds of a feather, I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||January 18, 2022 3:29 AM|
[quote] The RF has a lot of very important assets and investments in America that they want to protect
Ooh, what are they?
|by Anonymous||reply 89||January 18, 2022 5:11 PM|
I believe her. The debauched behavior of Andrew has been noted for years. And she seems quite familiar with Ghislane and Jeffrey Epstein. No one has produced any information about her to make me feel like she is lying.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||January 18, 2022 5:42 PM|
R89 just keep in mind all of this happened to Andrew after they determined that all negotiations would fail, and the civil suit was filed. It was always an option and they decided to pull the trigger.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||January 18, 2022 7:34 PM|
[Quote]Gloria Allred dropped her as a client because Allred said she caught her in outright lies.
Allied shared the privileged content of her conversations and communications with a client? Try harder.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||January 19, 2022 2:20 AM|
R10, but that's the thing, Giuffre isn't going after "powerful people", despite supposedly having been prostituted and trafficked to so many. She's going only after dumb Prince Andrew who's an easy target and has to watch every word he says and move he makes.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||January 19, 2022 8:28 AM|
R93 Well, that's just untrue. She's gone after Dershowitz, Maxwell and Epstein separately that I know of. Probably some others too.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||January 19, 2022 12:30 PM|
[quote] Allied shared the privileged content of her conversations and communications with a client? Try harder.
Where did I say she did that, r92? Allred didn't do that nor did I say she did. Do you have a source or link that she shared privileged information? Accusing Giuffre of lying isn't sharing privileged info.
What's your agenda here, to defend the child trafficking whore Giuffre? Giuffre participated in the trafficking herself and brought girls to Epstein and Maxwell. Anything for a buck.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||January 19, 2022 11:40 PM|