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Adam Kinzinger is definitely planning a Presidential run

I saw him on MSNBC this morning, and he is the only Republican doing so.

It's clear that he wants to appear to be a moderate Republican.

He has also completely scrubbed his gay past of all incriminating photos.

Then he abruptly bearded up and married a woman.

I have to say that of all the current Republicans, I could probably stomach him as a President.

He doesn't seem like such a bad guy.

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by Anonymousreply 207January 17, 2022 12:30 AM

Adam was on Stephanie Ruhle this morning and I had a good laugh, when he said that he has been a Republican since he was SIX YEARS OLD!!!

Damn, they are indoctrinated at a very young age, there in Southern Illinois.

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by Anonymousreply 1January 12, 2022 11:02 PM

He's hot in his "wedding" pic....not as beady eyed as usual

by Anonymousreply 2January 12, 2022 11:16 PM

I like Adam Kinzinger's ass photos too, R2.

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by Anonymousreply 3January 12, 2022 11:19 PM

A moderate Republican won’t win the nomination so it is moot.

by Anonymousreply 4January 12, 2022 11:21 PM

He's got my vote!

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by Anonymousreply 5January 12, 2022 11:23 PM

Kinzinger needs to run for President as an Independent candidate and draw moderate Republican voters away from Trump. Those type of voters who really don't like Trump but can't see themselves voting for a Democrat. If he could draw 30-40 thousand votes in a few swing states away from Trump, that would be helpful.

by Anonymousreply 6January 12, 2022 11:24 PM

On paper, Adam is perfect.

He's conservative, former military, from the Midwest, and good looking.

I really think that he can be President one day.

IF his gay past doesn't come back to haunt him.

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by Anonymousreply 7January 12, 2022 11:26 PM

Why did I always believe this man was gay. Too much DL?

by Anonymousreply 8January 12, 2022 11:32 PM

That's a seriously gay vibe photo R5 linked.

by Anonymousreply 9January 12, 2022 11:32 PM

What straight man says "ass for ass" to women?

by Anonymousreply 10January 12, 2022 11:35 PM

R5, that's completely gay in a hawt way not in a Chasten Buttigieg way.

He should run on the Libertarian line. Yumners.

by Anonymousreply 11January 12, 2022 11:38 PM

I’m not one to gossip but he is exactly what DL thinks.

by Anonymousreply 12January 12, 2022 11:40 PM

NO THANKS.

by Anonymousreply 13January 12, 2022 11:40 PM

I wish Larry Hogan would run on the GOP side. He’s term-limited as MD Gov. I wouldn’t love him as President but the thought wouldn’t make me jump off a bridge like I would for Trump.

Any moderate GOP who runs third-party independent would likely draw away voters Biden really needs to beat Trump. As much as I would love to live in a third-party style country.

by Anonymousreply 14January 12, 2022 11:41 PM

Are there any other "incriminating photos" apart from R3?

by Anonymousreply 15January 12, 2022 11:41 PM

[quote]IF his gay past doesn't come back to haunt him.

We are still here, even in 2022. This is why the trans and whatever else is so popular. So much self-loathing in the gay community. Sad and pathetic. Get some balls. Or chop em off.

by Anonymousreply 16January 12, 2022 11:42 PM

I will never ever support a candidate with such an established record of anti-gay and anti-LGBT votes like Adam Kinzinger. If he manages to split the conservative vote, that would be great, though.

by Anonymousreply 17January 12, 2022 11:42 PM

We cannot afford a republican president. All those conservative judges flooding the court, more tax cuts for the rich, more terrible economics. NO my GOD NOOOOOOOO.

by Anonymousreply 18January 12, 2022 11:42 PM

There was a whole page on which that photo made its appearance (along with a few other photos) but it got taken down. I haven't checked the Wayback Machine to see if it's there.

by Anonymousreply 19January 12, 2022 11:44 PM

Kinzinger will be a fine running mate for whoever gets the nomination.

by Anonymousreply 20January 12, 2022 11:47 PM

[quote] We cannot afford a republican president.

It would be interesting to see how in a two party system you would keep the other side from ever winning again, unless what you are really saying is that you want a one party authoritarian system.

by Anonymousreply 21January 12, 2022 11:47 PM

I sure hope history isn't repeating itself where voters get too complacent and a Republican president swoops right in to fuck things up long term (stacking the courts with conservative judges, making it impossible for Dems to pass laws with a simple majority, etc.).

Us Liberals should show up and vote in every election like our lives depend on it. Otherwise, we get someone like Death DeSantis as President who deliberately fucks up the COVID-19 response, so his donors can profit.

by Anonymousreply 22January 12, 2022 11:47 PM

The GQP primaries will be a bloodbath. Trump is already going after DeathSantis with the vaccines, Pence doesn't have a chance in fucking hell and everyone will pile up on him for being a wimp. Pompous Pompeo got that gastric bypass to look healthy. I'm sure you'll get more Q/MAGA loons thinking they have a chance. It'll be hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 23January 12, 2022 11:50 PM

R21 Did I say ANYTHING about authoritarian rule? I stated my opinion WE CANNOT AFFORD another republican as president. You may want more conservative judges and ruinous economic policies but I do not. How many times do you want to see Dems clean up epic republican messes? I am sick of it.

How anybody could trust any republican at this point is beyond me. Adam and Liz stood up for democracy but they support and back terrible policies.

by Anonymousreply 24January 12, 2022 11:50 PM

[quote] Kinzinger will be a fine running mate for whoever gets the nomination.

Kinzinger has the same chance of being a GOP running mate or presidential nominee as does Bernie Sanders. I can’t tell if people suggesting otherwise are incredibly dense or just trying to be funny.

by Anonymousreply 25January 12, 2022 11:51 PM

Sort of makes you yearn for the days when the rethug candidate was at least competent, even if he was a complete nozzle.

by Anonymousreply 26January 12, 2022 11:52 PM

Anyone who thinks a moderate Republican running as an independent might take votes from the R candidate is wrong.

Dems are thoughtful about this stuff. And a healthy percentage of Dems are moderates/former Republicans. Republicans fall into line, Democrats will consider voting for the independent. Likely to draw equally or hurt the Dem.

The only reason Trump got elected is that hundreds of thousands (if not a few million) Republican women nationwide decided to vote for him in the exact same numbers they did for Romney. It was presumed Trump would lose at least a few percentage points but he didnt.

by Anonymousreply 27January 12, 2022 11:52 PM

R25 Some still have this fantasy (DL conservatives cannot let go that their dear GOP is gone) that republicans will return to “normal” if they get somebody like Hogan or Kinzinger to run. They ignore the base would have none of that. There won’t be a sane republican running for president who has any chance of winning the primary for decades. Low T awakened a monster and that monster ain’t gonna be satisfied with a “normal” republican.

by Anonymousreply 28January 12, 2022 11:54 PM

[quote]I wish Larry Hogan would run on the GOP side. He’s term-limited as MD Gov. I wouldn’t love him as President but the thought wouldn’t make me jump off a bridge like I would for Trump.

Hogan isn't crazy enough to be a GOP front runner; ideally, he'd make a good vice president - competent, but not too showy. Plus, as a blue state leader, he implemented COVID controls & lockdowns that would cause all the MAGA-ites to lose their minds. I think it would be great if he ran - to give conservatives a reasonable alternative to all the MAGA nutcases and to draw votes away from Dump, but I don't see him winning. Plus, Hogan's had some health issues & may not want the hassle.

by Anonymousreply 29January 12, 2022 11:55 PM

That’s not a bad thing. The more extreme the GOP candidate the more sane the Dem candidate will look.

by Anonymousreply 30January 12, 2022 11:56 PM

In his op-Ed today, the NYT’s Thomas Friedman, comparing what the US is now going through with Israel’s circumstances, opined that, in order to save American democracy, the Democrats may have to have a coalition ticket in ‘24. He mentioned either a Biden/Cheney or Harris/Romney ticket. No zinger may be another option as a Democratic running mate.

by Anonymousreply 31January 13, 2022 12:00 AM

A Biden/Cheney ticket would be perfect, for Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 32January 13, 2022 12:04 AM

R10 you nailed it.

The photo at R3 was in no way meant for a woman.

I have to say that for someone with Presidential ambitions, it was a huge mis-step for Kinzinger.

How could he not know that it would come back to haunt him?

We've said this here a million times: If you're sending out pictures of your ass and hole, it's pretty much guaranteed that it's meant for a guy. Because women do not care about that.

by Anonymousreply 33January 13, 2022 12:11 AM

Get married ✔️

Baby on the way ✔️

Yep. He’s getting all of his ducks in a row for a run.

by Anonymousreply 34January 13, 2022 12:11 AM

He is NOT to be trusted.

by Anonymousreply 35January 13, 2022 12:13 AM

Trump needs to die.

by Anonymousreply 36January 13, 2022 12:15 AM

For a coalition, ONLY if it is a younger Dem as president. Biden is too old to trust a VP Cheney. If he died in office, whoa boy. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 37January 13, 2022 12:28 AM

^ very true, I have a lot of objections to a Dem/GOP ticket but that would be #1 on the list. Biden’s VP is one of the most important ever for that reason.

by Anonymousreply 38January 13, 2022 12:29 AM

What makes you think a moderate republican is a good thing? They are worse than fucking that conservative democrat from West Vagaina.

by Anonymousreply 39January 13, 2022 12:32 AM

[quote] They are worse than fucking that conservative democrat from West Vagaina.

It's WEST VAGINA, thank you very much!

by Anonymousreply 40January 13, 2022 12:33 AM

I just wanna bed him

by Anonymousreply 41January 13, 2022 12:33 AM

R41 = Aaron Schock's hungry hole

by Anonymousreply 42January 13, 2022 12:34 AM

[quote] What makes you think a moderate republican is a good thing? They are worse than fucking that conservative democrat from West Vagaina.

It may not be ideal, but, if that's what it takes to preserve democracy, everything's on the table.

by Anonymousreply 43January 13, 2022 12:34 AM

I don't have a lot of confidence in him. I'm proud of he and Liz Cheney taking a strong stand against Ttump and Jan. 6th, but he's like if Pete Buttigieg had decided to stay in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 44January 13, 2022 12:37 AM

[quote]It may not be ideal, but, if that's what it takes to preserve democracy, everything's on the table.

There are stable, sane Democrats that exist. Closeted gay Republicans (or Democrats) are not sane or stable.

by Anonymousreply 45January 13, 2022 12:38 AM

[quote]I'm proud of he and Liz Cheney taking a strong stand against Ttump and Jan. 6th,

Good lord people are desperate today. I’m so relieved I’m not that desperate. Never would I praise a Cheney. The other dude is apparently some closeted asshole I’ve never heard of.

by Anonymousreply 46January 13, 2022 12:39 AM

So who, if any, republican would you be okay with on a necessary fusion ticket, R45? Or would you rather remain pure & take your chances that democracy would survive with whomever today's GQP would nominate for president?

by Anonymousreply 47January 13, 2022 12:42 AM

[quote] It may not be ideal, but, if that's what it takes to preserve democracy, everything's on the table.

What's next, negotiate with terrorists? Is that on the table, too? Fuck that.

Moderates made guys like Trump and the Deplorables possible in the first place. They were the ones who were perfectly fine with the Christian Right Wing pushing for a theocracy and putting Christian nut cases in positions of power.

by Anonymousreply 48January 13, 2022 12:43 AM

I would rather remain “pure”. I’ll stay out of it. I’ll be Sweden.

by Anonymousreply 49January 13, 2022 12:45 AM

As I’ve noted before, one reason I pay very close attention to the Israeli-Palestinian arena is that a lot of trends get perfected there first and then go global — airline hijacking, suicide bombing, building a wall, the challenges of pluralism and lots more. It’s Off Broadway to Broadway, so what’s playing there these days that might be a harbinger for politics in the U.S.?

Answer: It’s the most diverse national unity government in Israel’s history, one that stretches from Jewish settlers on the right all the way to an Israeli-Arab Islamist party and super-liberals on the left. Most important, it’s holding together, getting stuff done and muting the hyperpolarization that was making Israel ungovernable.

Is that what America needs in 2024 — a ticket of Joe Biden and Liz Cheney? Or Joe Biden and Lisa Murkowski, or Kamala Harris and Mitt Romney, or Stacey Abrams and Liz Cheney, or Amy Klobuchar and Liz Cheney? Or any other such combination. Before you leap into the comments section, hear me out.

In June, after an utterly wild period in which Israel held four national elections over two years and kept failing to produce a stable governing majority, the lambs there actually lay down with the lions.

Key Israeli politicians swallowed their pride, softened policy edges and came together for a four-year national unity government — led by rightist Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and left-of-center Alternate Prime Minister Yair Lapid. (They are to switch places after two years.) And for the first time, an Israeli Arab party, the Islamist organization Raam, played a vital role in cementing an Israeli coalition.

What forced everyone’s hand? A broad agreement that Israeli politics was being held hostage by then-Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu, who resisted putting together any government that he would not lead, apparently because, if he didn’t lead, he could lose his chance at some kind of immunity from prosecution on multiple corruption charges that could lead to prison.

Sound familiar?

Netanyahu was just a smarter Donald Trump, constantly delegitimizing the mainstream media and the Israeli justice system and vigorously exploiting social/religious/ethnic fault lines to divide and rule. He eventually stressed out the system so much that several of his former allies broke away to forge a unity coalition with Israeli center, left and Arab parties.

As Hebrew University of Jerusalem religious philosopher Moshe Halbertal put it to me: “What happened here is that there is still enough civic responsibility — not everywhere, but enough — that the political class felt that the continued breakdown of the rule of law and more elections, which was leading nowhere, was an indulgence that Israel simply could not afford, given its highly diverse population and dangerous neighborhood.”

This new Israeli government will neither annex the West Bank nor make final peace with the Palestinians, Halbertal noted, but it is one “that will attempt to renew the relationship with the Palestinian Authority rather than weakening it. It is one that prevented a racist anti-Arab party allied to Netanyahu from entering the cabinet.” And it is one that is counterbalancing Bibi’s strong embrace of the less-than-democratic, ultranationalist states in Europe and evangelical Christians and Trump Republicans in America “by rebuilding ties with the Democrats, liberal American Jews and liberal parties in Europe.”

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by Anonymousreply 50January 13, 2022 12:46 AM

As Israeli leaders treat each other — and Israeli and Palestinians leaders treat each other — with a little more respect, and a little less contempt, because they are out of Facebook and into face-to-face relations again, stuff is getting done. Unity has not meant paralysis. This coalition in November passed Israel’s first national budget since 2018! So far, every attempt to topple it has failed.

Mansour Abbas, the Islamist party’s leader, even recently stunned many Israeli Arabs and Jews when he publicly declared, “Israel was born a Jewish state; that was the decision of the people.” He continued: “It was born this way, and it will remain this way. The question is, what is the status of the Arab citizen in the Jewish state of Israel?’’

Could this play come to Broadway? I asked Steven Levitsky, a political scientist and co-author of “How Democracies Die,” after he presented some similar ideas last week to my colleague David Leonhardt.

America is facing an existential moment, Levitsky told me, noting that the Republican Party has shown that it isn’t committed any longer to playing by democratic rules, leaving the United States uniquely threatened among Western democracies.

That all means two things, he continued. First, this Trump-cult version of the G.O.P. must never be able to retake the White House. Since Trump has made embracing the Big Lie — that the 2020 election was a fraud — a prerequisite for being in the Trump G.O.P., his entire cabinet most likely would be people who denied, or worked to overturn, Biden’s election victory. There is no reason to believe they would cede power the next time.

“In a democracy,” Levitsky said, “parties lose popularity and they lose elections. That is normal. But a democracy cannot afford for this Republican Party to win again because they have demonstrated a ton of evidence that they are no longer committed to the democratic rules of the game.”

So Biden-Cheney is not such a crazy idea? I asked.

“Not at all,” said Levitsky. “We should be ready to talk about Liz Cheney as part of a blow-your-mind Israeli-style fusion coalition with Democrats. It is a coalition that says: ‘There is only one overriding goal right now — that is saving our democratic system.’”

by Anonymousreply 51January 13, 2022 12:47 AM

That brings us to the second point. Saving a democratic system requires huge political sacrifice, added Levitsky. “It means A.O.C. campaigning for Liz Cheney” and it means Liz Cheney “putting on the shelf” many policy goals she and other Republicans cherish. “But that is what it takes, and if you don’t do it, just look back and see why democracy collapsed in countries like Germany, Spain and Chile. The democratic forces there should have done it, but they didn’t.”

To put it differently, this Trump-cult version of the G.O.P. is trying to gain power through an election, but it’s trying to increase its odds of winning by gaming the system in battleground states. America’s small-d democrats need to counter those moves and increase their odds of winning. The best way to do that is by creating a broad national unity vehicle that enables more Republicans to leave the Trump cult — without having to just become big-D Democrats. We all have to be small-d democrats now, or we won’t have a system to be big-D or big-R anythings.

That is what civic-minded Israeli elites did when they created a broad national unity coalition whose main mission was to make the basic functions of government work again and safeguard the integrity of Israel’s democracy.

Such a vehicle in America, said Levitsky, should “be able to shave a small but decisive fraction of Republican votes away from Trump.” In a tight race, it would take only 5 or 10 percent of Republicans leaving Trump to assure victory. And that is what matters.

This is the democratic way of defeating a threat to democracy. Not doing it is how democracies die. I am quite aware that it is highly unlikely; America does not have the flexibility of a parliamentary, proportional-representation system, like Israel’s, and there is no modern precedent for such a cross-party ticket. And yet, I still think it is worth raising. There is no precedent for how close we’re coming to an unraveling of our democracy, either.

As Levitsky put it: “If we treat this as a normal election, our democracy stands a coin flip’s chance of survival. Those are odds that I don’t want to run. We need to communicate to the public and the establishment that this is not a normal donkeys-versus-elephants election. This is democracy versus authoritarians.”

This is not for the long term, noted Levitsky: “I want to get back as quickly as possible to where I can disagree with Liz Cheney on every policy issue” — and that is the most we have to worry about — “but not until our democracy is safe.”

by Anonymousreply 52January 13, 2022 12:47 AM

There is never going to be a fusion ticket. There is no going back. Republicans will not vote Dem for fear of losing their seats, Dems the same (except for Manchin who is from WEST VAGINA)

by Anonymousreply 53January 13, 2022 12:47 AM

Just to be clear, Adam Kinzinger is not a Democrat, nor would he ever run with a Democrat on the same ticket.

He has already stated that he has been a Republican since he was six years old, and that will not change.

Adam will probably look for another moderate Republican like himself.

The point here is that he will run AS A MODERATE, which by itself will differentiate him from other Republicans.

He'll say that he is the "voice of reason" and the only "sane" Republican left.

It's a gamble, but I think it will make him stand out.

Kinzinger is the only Republican willing to appear on MSNBC, so he is clearly reaching out to moderate Democrats.

It's a smart move, if you ask me.

by Anonymousreply 54January 13, 2022 12:48 AM

Good lord. What a bizarre world now. Oh well. I’ll pass. I’ll undervote.

by Anonymousreply 55January 13, 2022 12:51 AM

Did we ever establish if Adam has a dirty hole like Cockgobbler? Since they're both Illinois boys...

by Anonymousreply 56January 13, 2022 12:52 AM

Moderate Democrats are too smart to falls for someone like Kinzinger who was perfectly fine to vote alongside the GOP establishment during the early Trump years. Not when there are alternatives like, say, Beto O'Rourke who is an actual Dem who almost beat Cruz in Texas.

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by Anonymousreply 57January 13, 2022 12:54 AM

I have a feeling that Adam is fastidious about his anal cleanliness.

He's former military, and he also seems like he pays attention to detail.

Schock is a tina queen, and is probably very sloppy down there.

by Anonymousreply 58January 13, 2022 12:55 AM

sorry, ... Moderate Democrats are too smart to fall for someone like Kinzinger ...

by Anonymousreply 59January 13, 2022 12:55 AM

I think some posters are not accepting the Tom Friedman hypothesis that a coalition government may be democracy's last best hope. Or is that they'd rather see democracy go down than to make any wartime concessions.

by Anonymousreply 60January 13, 2022 12:59 AM

Maybe democracy needs to go down.

by Anonymousreply 61January 13, 2022 1:00 AM

With the way things are going, I don’t like where the US democracy is headed. I don’t support the trans, I don’t get the love for Islam, I don’t support CRT, I don’t support these hard right people, this love for Liz Cheney, forget it. If this is democracy, go away.

by Anonymousreply 62January 13, 2022 1:02 AM

I think some posters are not accepting the Tom Friedman hypothesis that a coalition government may be democracy's last best hope.

Wrong.

I think most posters accept the fact that the US will NEVER have a "coalition" government.

Our system is just not set up that way, and Americans are very set in their ways.

"This is how it's been for the past 250 years, and that's how it's always gonna be!!! Tarnit!"

by Anonymousreply 63January 13, 2022 1:03 AM

Welcome, Boris, posting as R61.

by Anonymousreply 64January 13, 2022 1:04 AM

Yas, I’m Boris, kween.

by Anonymousreply 65January 13, 2022 1:06 AM

[quote] I think some posters are not accepting the Tom Friedman hypothesis that a coalition government may be democracy's last best hope.

It is not. As a whole, the Republican Party still considers Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger traitors even though both are still conservative to the core. Nothing good can come out of an alliance of Liberals and Conservatives when the Conservatives have shown over and over again that they can't be trusted. The Republican Party needs to die a miserable and painful death for all the horrendous things it unleashed to satisfy their personal greed for power and money.

by Anonymousreply 66January 13, 2022 1:07 AM

[quote] I think most posters accept the fact that the US will NEVER have a "coalition" government.

[quote] Our system is just not set up that way, and Americans are very set in their ways.

Perilous times require different thinking.

by Anonymousreply 67January 13, 2022 1:07 AM

He’s delusional. He should have ran for Governor first before running for president.

by Anonymousreply 68January 13, 2022 1:09 AM

He doesn't have to, R68.

He's already in Congress.

That's the fast path.

by Anonymousreply 69January 13, 2022 1:11 AM

R1 Is he trying to shit in that photo?

by Anonymousreply 70January 13, 2022 1:11 AM

R69 You fucking idiot. You probably masturbate while thinking of this piece of shit Repuke.

by Anonymousreply 71January 13, 2022 1:13 AM

The only person running on the GOP ticket who will really energize everyone on the Left, along with suburban moms in, say, Virginia, to come out and vote for Dems is someone incredibly polarizing, just like Trump was in 2020 when everybody had a chance to see what 4 years of lunacy is like,

by Anonymousreply 72January 13, 2022 1:14 AM

If he's gay, why wouldn't he let me fuck him?

by Anonymousreply 73January 13, 2022 1:14 AM

Because both of you are BOTTOMS, Aaron/R73.

You have both already presented hole online, so we all know what that means.

by Anonymousreply 74January 13, 2022 1:18 AM

R73 because you're the bottom you cum slut.

by Anonymousreply 75January 13, 2022 1:18 AM

[quote] Never would I praise a Cheney.

Thank you. The Cheneys have always been the personification of evil. Anyone who supports Liz Cheney, for any reason, is completely morally corrupt.

by Anonymousreply 76January 13, 2022 1:19 AM

Our Adam is butch Air Force top

by Anonymousreply 77January 13, 2022 1:19 AM

R7, who would vote for him? Dems won't vote for a Republican and Republicans won't vote for someone sane

by Anonymousreply 78January 13, 2022 1:20 AM

[quote] Our Adam is butch Air Force top

Then why was he showing his ass on Grindr at R3?

by Anonymousreply 79January 13, 2022 1:20 AM

I'm not going down without a fight.

by Anonymousreply 80January 13, 2022 1:23 AM

[quote] He's already in Congress. That's the fast path.

Do you know who the last president was who served in the House and had no other office after that before becoming president?

by Anonymousreply 81January 13, 2022 1:25 AM

I think “democracy” is heading the way of “racism”. It’s overused and losing all meaning. I’m starting to roll my eyes when I hear about it.

by Anonymousreply 82January 13, 2022 1:25 AM

Manchin on a ticket? Any ticket?

by Anonymousreply 83January 13, 2022 1:27 AM

[quote] Do you know who the last president was who served in the House and had no other office after that before becoming president?

Obama.

by Anonymousreply 84January 13, 2022 1:29 AM

R84 wrong

by Anonymousreply 85January 13, 2022 1:30 AM

Obama was a Senator. Try again.

by Anonymousreply 86January 13, 2022 1:30 AM

Obama was a Senator, dummy.

Probably Abraham Lincoln.

by Anonymousreply 87January 13, 2022 1:30 AM

The too-soon gone James Garfield's last office was as a congressman, but he was a Senator-elect when he became president, too.

by Anonymousreply 88January 13, 2022 1:34 AM

Garfield 1880?

by Anonymousreply 89January 13, 2022 1:34 AM

I think Garfield was the last Congressman to be elected president.

by Anonymousreply 90January 13, 2022 1:35 AM

House. Senate. Same difference.

They're both part of Congress.

Serving in one or the other, doesn't make you more electable.

by Anonymousreply 91January 13, 2022 1:42 AM

Being in the Senate definitely makes you more electable than just being a Congressman, so not the same.

by Anonymousreply 92January 13, 2022 1:44 AM

I highly recommend this Garfield bio. Clearly, his biographer fell in love with him. For alternative history buffs, one of the big ifs in history is what a president Garfield could've achieved.

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by Anonymousreply 93January 13, 2022 1:45 AM

You know what doesn't make you electable? Being an ex-mayor and a minor cabinet secretary. Also a failed candidate for governor.

by Anonymousreply 94January 13, 2022 1:46 AM

Being a losing candidate for statewide office doesn't have to spell doom for one's presidential ambitions. Just ask Lincoln or Nixon.

by Anonymousreply 95January 13, 2022 1:49 AM

Who are his supporters, as in big money donors? The win, or even a candidacy, relies on heavy financial backing.

by Anonymousreply 96January 13, 2022 1:50 AM

R95 both of those had held federal office before becoming president. Nixon big time.

by Anonymousreply 97January 13, 2022 1:52 AM

[quote] Who are his supporters, as in big money donors? The win, or even a candidacy, relies on heavy financial backing.

Exactly.

More than anything else these days, it's all about the money.

Right now, I think that Republican donors think Pence is the most bankable.

by Anonymousreply 98January 13, 2022 1:54 AM

Or, R95, the elder Bush, who lost both of his bids for statewide office.

by Anonymousreply 99January 13, 2022 1:56 AM

DeSantis is even better than Pence. He doesn't sincerely hate the gays. He's a loosey goosey Catholic so he really doesn't give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 100January 13, 2022 1:57 AM

Bush Sr was a two term VP. Are you insane? It was Reagan's third term.

by Anonymousreply 101January 13, 2022 1:59 AM

R101, I’m simply responding to the poster upthread who seemed to disparage Buttigieg’s electoral future because he couldn’t win a statewide election in deep red Indiana. Trump couldn’t have won a statewide race in NY.

by Anonymousreply 102January 13, 2022 2:13 AM

The #1 reason no Democrat should support a fusion ticket is that moment the Democratic President is sworn into office, the GOP led house (which is highly likely in 2024) will impeach him and the Senate will convict and remove from office (Mitch will change whatever rules are necessary to make it happen) and presto you have President Cheney, Kinzinger, etc. There isn't a Republican out there to be trusted in a situation such as this.

by Anonymousreply 103January 13, 2022 2:40 AM

R103 The Senate would need 67 votes to remove. NOT A CHANCE

by Anonymousreply 104January 13, 2022 2:42 AM

You’re right, R104.

by Anonymousreply 105January 13, 2022 2:44 AM

As I stated in my post, Mitch would undertake whatever fuckery necessary to make it happen. They've shown they're not above (or below) any type of shady business to obtain and retain power.

by Anonymousreply 106January 13, 2022 2:45 AM

If Kinzinger wanted to save democracy, he and Liz would have already formed a new party and would be running candidates THIS YEAR. He's a grifter who is going to accomplish nothing.

by Anonymousreply 107January 13, 2022 2:51 AM

brahs

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by Anonymousreply 108January 13, 2022 2:51 AM

I like that he's so outspoken about 1/6, but he's still a Republican who voted against voting & women's rights. Pretty confident to think that he's not for gay rights, and gay rights would be in jeopardy just like Roe vs Wade.

by Anonymousreply 109January 13, 2022 2:54 AM

If you believe as do I that we’re at an existential point in our history, it just seems that our usual causes have to take a backseat.

by Anonymousreply 110January 13, 2022 2:59 AM

The Republican party has always been shitty, but after 4 years of Domestic Terrorism, I will not even consider supporting any Republicans anytime soon.

by Anonymousreply 111January 13, 2022 3:00 AM

There is nothing wrong with the US that Republicans who believe in country over party, the rule of law and the death of Trump and McConnell can’t fix.

by Anonymousreply 112January 13, 2022 3:03 AM

Is Adam a Cockgobbler too?

by Anonymousreply 113January 13, 2022 3:04 AM

Adam Kinzinger is really, really conservative. I'd wager he's more likely to run for Illinois governor.

by Anonymousreply 114January 13, 2022 3:05 AM

R112 Let me know when you find some of those Republicans because i don't know any like that.

by Anonymousreply 115January 13, 2022 3:10 AM

Adam is a manly straight, just like me.

by Anonymousreply 116January 13, 2022 3:33 AM

I don't understand why people keep saying Kinzinger is gay. Is it just because he is reasonably handsome?

by Anonymousreply 117January 13, 2022 3:40 AM

When it comes to selecting a running mate for whomever the ‘24 presidential nominee is we’ll at least know the makeup of the GQP ticket so we can pick whomever it might take to win the general.

by Anonymousreply 118January 13, 2022 3:40 AM

R117 I was a Congressional intern. It is what it is.

by Anonymousreply 119January 13, 2022 3:50 AM

r119, details please! Who else in Congress is a mo?

by Anonymousreply 120January 13, 2022 3:58 AM

R119 Did you have sex with Kinzinger? Did you see him having sex with a man? Did he tell you he was gay? How do you know. We are gonna need a few more details if you wanna be taken seriously.

Spill it!

by Anonymousreply 121January 13, 2022 4:06 AM

R121 I spilled the beans in the Mueller thread back in 2019. I never said his name and I’m NOT saying Adam Kinzinger is gay. AK, a republican representative, is. I have never had sex with a Congressman. Cockgobbler did eye me and the Chief of Staff for the Representative I was interning for said, “No, stay away from him.” I am not in the outing game. I gave hints and most people did guess correctly though they didn’t realize it because I do not name names.

by Anonymousreply 122January 13, 2022 4:24 AM

R122 I did not see the Mueller thread so I don't know what you are talking about. You "don't do names." I don't play games. I'll just assume you can't answer the question.

by Anonymousreply 123January 13, 2022 4:42 AM

Who is the gay Republican representative?

by Anonymousreply 124January 13, 2022 4:55 AM

R123 I really don’t care.

by Anonymousreply 125January 13, 2022 4:56 AM

I thought I was about to hear a hot story. Like Adam plowing the cockgobbler in his Downton Abbey office as the little bitch screamed "harder, please harder". I vote R122 should name names just for being a 2nd hand cock tease.

by Anonymousreply 126January 13, 2022 4:57 AM

Adam wouldn’t touch cockgobbler. Loathed him.

by Anonymousreply 127January 13, 2022 5:00 AM

Did the Gobbler hit on lots of interns?

by Anonymousreply 128January 13, 2022 5:01 AM

Never forget that Adam Kinzinger gave an interview in October 2020 and said he was supporting fucking Trump for president in Nov 2020. Kinzinger is a Repig through and through. Yeah, he seems nicer than the rest these days. But after four years of Trump and his criminal activity, Kinzinger was still supporting him!!! Wasn't there something in the most corrupt administration in history that turned off Kinzinger? Apparently not.

It wasn't until Jan 6 came along that Kinzinger changed. What the fuck took him so long?

by Anonymousreply 129January 13, 2022 5:02 AM

They should just switch the rules so registered Democrats will vote in the Republican primary candidate and registered Republicans the Democrat. I'd pay to watch that shitshow. Maybe Vernon Supreme could finally win a sweep.

by Anonymousreply 130January 13, 2022 5:08 AM

R128 The hot ones.

by Anonymousreply 131January 13, 2022 5:08 AM

I want Adam to punch me in the fartbox with his cock!

by Anonymousreply 132January 13, 2022 5:10 AM

You have to remember, I was just an intern. I did not hobnob with many Representatives. Hell, 99% I wouldn’t even recognize if I was in an elevator with them. A lot of things I heard from staff which is why I will not name names. The closet seems deep on the R side. I interned in 2006-07 for college credit. Some representatives I’ve heard about were not even in Congress when I was on the hill.

by Anonymousreply 133January 13, 2022 5:13 AM

r130 er, Vermin

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by Anonymousreply 134January 13, 2022 5:13 AM

Have heard that Adrian Smith from Nebraska is a 'mo. He got married when rumors started to spread

by Anonymousreply 135January 13, 2022 5:23 AM

R7 what’s that from? His International Male modeling days?

by Anonymousreply 136January 13, 2022 5:26 AM

I hope he has a nice All-American circumcised cock.

by Anonymousreply 137January 13, 2022 5:45 AM

Please stop this stupidity. You want a Republican president? Look at the Supreme Court stacking. Every woman and homosexual that votes Republican is why we all suffer. 1st, abortion illegal in red states next the Supreme Court allows a stay. Next up absolution of gay rights in red states then the Supremes allow that to stay. Wake the fuck up maroon OP!

by Anonymousreply 138January 13, 2022 5:52 AM

FCI R125 Nobody cares about your LYING ass either. You seem like someone who thinks everyone is gay - especially if they're handsome. You're a joke. IF you put half as much effort in working out as you put into gossiping maybe you would have something (or someone) better to do than putting out multiple snotty little posts in the middle of the night. LOL

by Anonymousreply 139January 13, 2022 5:52 AM

You know it's bad when someone this crazy is the sanest one in the GOP.

by Anonymousreply 140January 13, 2022 5:57 AM

He's taking a yuge gamble going after Trump. If Trump goes to prison, etc. he gets to say "I told you so". If Trump stays popular, Kinzinger's political career will probably be over.

by Anonymousreply 141January 13, 2022 6:09 AM

R141 I don't feel bad about Kinzinger's career being over. I hope they all getting what they deserve (either ran out of office or be shut out of power for decades). I know it is unlikely, but a guy can hope!

by Anonymousreply 142January 13, 2022 6:14 AM

I wonder what it's like to kiss him... is he dom and passionate, grabbing the back of your head while while he pushes his tongue inside your mouth or is it like kissing a dead fish?

by Anonymousreply 143January 13, 2022 6:24 AM

Adam Kinzinger is smoldering sexy, he can come to New Orleans and be my virile lover anytime, we'll take turns in my big swan bouncy bed. I have an OnlyFans account, and lots of free time on my hands.

by Anonymousreply 144January 13, 2022 6:43 AM

R139 Oh boo boo snowflake. You must be the person who stalks me on the Treason threads every now and then. I’m happy to live in your head rent free. Also, where do you live that 10pm is in “the middle of the night”? LMFAO

by Anonymousreply 145January 13, 2022 12:02 PM

Wasn't FCI the loser who insisted that the Mueller Report would save us all and Republican conservative Robert Mueller has so much integrity and shit?

by Anonymousreply 146January 13, 2022 12:07 PM

Adam K V Mayor Pete for President.

A big ol' Gay showdown!

by Anonymousreply 147January 13, 2022 12:33 PM

[quote] It wasn't until Jan 6 came along that Kinzinger changed. What the fuck took him so long?

In these terribly perilous times. it's really best not to make perfect the enemy of the (relative) good.

by Anonymousreply 148January 13, 2022 1:19 PM

R145 FCI BITCH, I don't know you! This is my first encounter with your brand of crazy. You think you are some kinda Lady Whistledown? You wanna tease that you are some kinda insider? HAHAHAHA BITCH Please! LOL You don't know shit!

by Anonymousreply 149January 13, 2022 1:50 PM

Adam shoots huge, salty loads.

He has a thick, ramrod straight dick.

by Anonymousreply 150January 13, 2022 2:16 PM

[quote] He’s delusional. He should have ran for Governor first

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 151January 13, 2022 2:28 PM

[quote] You think you are some kinda Lady Whistledown?

What?

😂😂

by Anonymousreply 152January 13, 2022 2:28 PM

[quote] Then why was he showing his ass on Grindr at [R3]?

And you have proof those pics are from Grindr?

by Anonymousreply 153January 13, 2022 2:29 PM

R79 That means nothing! I show my ass on Grindr and I'm not... oh wait! Never mind...

by Anonymousreply 154January 13, 2022 3:16 PM

Has the DL favorite Cock Gobbler Former Disgraced Congressman Aaron Schock had him?

by Anonymousreply 155January 13, 2022 3:26 PM

Adam used to love to sink his niner into Aaron's hole.

by Anonymousreply 156January 13, 2022 3:28 PM

R155 After seeing Adam cry like a little girl during the Jan 6 Commission testimony I'd imagine that if he is gay, he'd be a bottom like panty-wearing Aaron. I don't see them fucking.

by Anonymousreply 157January 13, 2022 3:35 PM

Was that before the teal belt raspberry gingham or before the Downton Abbey remodel?

by Anonymousreply 158January 13, 2022 3:36 PM

Right R158! For years Aaron had been screaming his sexuality at anyone paying attention. I'm still shocked that people were shocked by him being gay.

by Anonymousreply 159January 13, 2022 3:38 PM

r159. For conservatives, there is a difference between being a closet case and being openly gay. What shocked them was Aaron coming out as gay. They knew he was gay, but they expected him to stay in the closet forever and keep his sordid gay life private.

by Anonymousreply 160January 13, 2022 3:55 PM

R160 Then those conservatives are very naive. You can no longer remain in the closet as a public figure nowadays. With a 24 hour news cycle and everyone having a computer with a camera in their pocket, proof regarding people's private lives is so much more accessible which makes the world is a lot smaller and allows news to travel a lot faster than it did in the 1950s. If you are gay and don't come out, somebody is going to out you eventually. It is only a matter of time.

by Anonymousreply 161January 13, 2022 4:13 PM

r161, these conservatives hold on to the outdated status quo where being gay is a dirty secret you are supposed to keep private and closet cases are being rewarded by playing along. Just look at Hollywood, where closet cases still have better career opportunities than openly gay people, because for the general public it's TMI! and risking the commercial success of the (big budget mainstream) project.

There are signs of change out there and that is a great thing.

by Anonymousreply 162January 13, 2022 4:27 PM

R162 I am not saying that there are not closeted celebrities (and politicians). Of Course there are! That will always be closet cases (for the reasons you stated and for many other reasons). My point is that they are playing with fire. The chances of it coming out are multiplied by about a thousand. This is not like the olden days where politicians and celebrities controlled the media. Nowadays average people will snap a photo of you kissing a lover and out you on social media. The world is different.

These conservatives are very naive if they think people can stay in the closet forever nowadays. It is gonna come out. If you wait for others to out you then you lose control of the narrative. In that case it is not only that it is shocking news, but that there is obvious deception involved. You are viewed as dishonest if your "dirty little secret" comes out from someone else, which can be devastating for a politician. It is probably gonna take a few more painful outings for famous people to realize they can't hide anymore.

by Anonymousreply 163January 13, 2022 4:47 PM

Yes please! I'd like to have someone attractive to look at on the other side, not anus mouth don. For us, there's Pete with the comely Chasten by his side.

by Anonymousreply 164January 13, 2022 4:57 PM

I think Democrats need to vote in republican primaries where possible to help get rid of the Trumpanzees! But ALWAYS vote Democrat in the general elections. There are too many Trumpanzees to risk allowing any more of them to gain office.

by Anonymousreply 165January 13, 2022 5:04 PM

^ interesting. Is that possible, I mean voting in the Republican primaries even if you are not registered

by Anonymousreply 166January 13, 2022 5:27 PM

R122 is a cock tease cunt.

Just ivnore the attention seeking fucker.

R123 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 167January 13, 2022 5:50 PM

R122 is a creepy troll. Ignore her.

by Anonymousreply 168January 13, 2022 5:51 PM

In some places. Typically you vote for the candidate your party could most easily beat which would be the extreme Trumptards. But it can easily create unforeseen circumstances.

by Anonymousreply 169January 13, 2022 5:53 PM

Okay, fess up - who's sleeping with VIPs in Congress?

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by Anonymousreply 170January 13, 2022 7:00 PM

Sorry, r168, we like FCI.

by Anonymousreply 171January 13, 2022 7:09 PM

Tell us more about his ass on grindr r3.

by Anonymousreply 172January 13, 2022 7:26 PM

Tell us more about his ass on grindr r3.

by Anonymousreply 173January 13, 2022 7:27 PM

His ass has MY vote!

by Anonymousreply 174January 13, 2022 8:13 PM

R171 I find FCI's creepy ass to be rude and full of shit! [I'm NOT R168]

I'm R123 and R139

by Anonymousreply 175January 13, 2022 8:38 PM

The minute he runs for President, all of his tricks will come out of the woodwork.

There's no way Adam will be President.

by Anonymousreply 176January 13, 2022 11:55 PM

R175 I correctly called Pelosi would announce the first impeachment the night before in the Mueller thread when everybody doubted it would happen. I know my shit. I can make stuff up if it makes you happy. I’m not outing people. I don’t post to get attention because if so I’m doing a terrible job. If I was rude to you unprovoked I apologize.

R171 Love you guys!

by Anonymousreply 177January 13, 2022 11:58 PM

She'll have to go through THIS!

by Anonymousreply 178January 14, 2022 12:00 AM

R177 FCI

As you said to me at R125 "I really don't care."

You know that your rudeness was unprovoked.

And FYI, an apology doesn't include the word "if."

Most of us are here for some good natured "bitchiness" about the topics of discussion and not to launch personal attacks against each other.

You made claims you couldn't back up. That was no reason to snap at me.

As I indicated earlier, I am not interested in unsubstantiated lies from rude people so I won't be engaging with you anymore.

Good day!

by Anonymousreply 179January 14, 2022 12:42 AM

Can we get back to dishing about GOP closet cases?

by Anonymousreply 180January 14, 2022 1:02 AM

I’d like to spend a couple of hours underneath his desk

by Anonymousreply 181January 14, 2022 1:17 AM

R179 I Trolldar’ d you. Ahahahahahahaha. No loss. Freak.

by Anonymousreply 182January 14, 2022 11:50 AM

FCI Freak? Really?

Was that more unprovoked childish behavior from you? And don't bother with another phony ass "if" "then" apology. You can keep that bullshit! You immature and insincere fuck!

And for the record, it is abundantly clear to anyone reading this thread that the lying ass thin-skinned "freak" is you!

by Anonymousreply 183January 14, 2022 12:18 PM

[quote] Good day!

I say good DAY, Sir!

by Anonymousreply 184January 14, 2022 12:53 PM

People seem to think wanting to fuck someone means they want to be best friends also.

Sex is sex and a hot fuck can be had with a person you don't particularly like out of the sheets.

It'll only happen a couple of times, if that, anyway.

Chill out.

by Anonymousreply 185January 14, 2022 3:33 PM

R183 Said he was done with me upthread.

by Anonymousreply 186January 14, 2022 10:43 PM

I think this guy looks like a smarmy used-car salesmen. I don't find him at all attractive.

But then again, I'm a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 187January 15, 2022 3:02 PM

r186 - Sounds like he's either under or over-medicated, FCI. Perhaps we should seek a wellness check. Or maybe he has a crush on you like Marj has on AOC.

by Anonymousreply 188January 15, 2022 6:18 PM

R187 I agree

R188 I agree, also

by Anonymousreply 189January 15, 2022 10:43 PM

R31 Didn't we try that some years ago? I know Joe Lieberman was on the ticket but I can't remember with whom. sorry. I still agree it's a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 190January 15, 2022 11:21 PM

The problem for Democrats is that even though they have healthy majorities of voters in presidential, Senate, and House races (the latter two cumulatively, not by race), between gerrymandering, population disparities, and the electoral college they have to work twice as hard as Republicans to win. Public opinion nationally is on the side of Democrats and against even "moderate" Republicans like Kinzinger; Friedman's idea sounds like he's in his usual bubble. Putting a rightwinger—even an anti-Trump one—on the ticket would do harm by dampening the Democratic turnout: how many Democrats would get enthusiastic about a running mate who's against health care reform, secure voting rights, abortion rights, gun control, clear air/water legislation, etc. etc. etc.?

by Anonymousreply 191January 16, 2022 12:16 AM

I wanna play with his feet and cock sooo bad

by Anonymousreply 192January 16, 2022 2:13 AM

Are you saying Al Gore is forgettable r190? Okay, fair.

by Anonymousreply 193January 16, 2022 2:17 AM

Also, just jesus fuck with Thomas Friedman, and David Brooks of course pulling the same shit on PBS. No, we do not need some grand coalition of Democrats with the 15 Republicans who aren't Trump cult members. Just, don't even with that shit.

by Anonymousreply 194January 16, 2022 2:19 AM

R190, if left to his own devices, John McCain would’ve picked his close friend Joe Lieberman in ‘08, but was persuaded that that would’ve caused a revolt at the Republican convention.

by Anonymousreply 195January 16, 2022 2:26 AM

Honestly, I wonder if that would've worked for him r195. He had no business being president in the middle of a financial crisis that he clearly didn't know or care fuck all about. But the constant jizzing from the media about the bipartisanship of the choice might have helped carry him over the finish line.

by Anonymousreply 196January 16, 2022 3:12 AM

After the economy cratered in September, no Republican nominee was going to win that November, R196.

by Anonymousreply 197January 16, 2022 3:28 AM

No, Lieberman would have sunk McCain with the Republican base. McCain was not a cult-guru figure like Trump who could get away with anything; he was already suspect as being moderate, and putting a non-Christian with a pro-choice, pro-gay-rights, pro-environment record on the ticket would have hurt him even more. Lieberman's neocon Iraq War stance wouldn't have helped, either, since the base was quite fickle about that kind of thing, getting all jingoistic when we went in and then souring on the war when it started going bad.

It's only a few high-minded journalists who believe in this "grand coalition" (as R194 puts it). Their idea of "the political center" is well to the right of general opinion—and too far to the left of the current Republican base.

by Anonymousreply 198January 16, 2022 3:29 AM

Biden’s unity ticket would have to have a woman. Winsome Sears would probably be the best choice, since she’s black and could get votes from 2A people.

by Anonymousreply 199January 16, 2022 3:38 AM

Said it before, will say it 1000 times again, I don't think we will ever see an all-male Democratic Party ticket again. So, yes to r199, though not sure about this Winsome goober.

by Anonymousreply 200January 16, 2022 3:39 AM

R166, it’s not possible in states with closed primaries.

by Anonymousreply 201January 16, 2022 3:44 AM

Anyway, hope Kinzinger runs as an Independent, especially in a few key states. Here in Wisconsin, fuckery is afoot all over the damn place, as we have a total Trump Whore legislature. Hope Kinzinger can at least peel away a few Rethug votes in any election.

by Anonymousreply 202January 16, 2022 4:11 AM

I just wanna blow him. I don't wanna talk to him. Gees. Such fussy queens.

by Anonymousreply 203January 16, 2022 4:18 AM

Honestly, We’ve had too many all male tickets. I do think we will see one on the D side in the future, but there are too many talented females to make the case for an all male ticket. It does need to feel organic, but having a mixed ticket is natural.

by Anonymousreply 204January 16, 2022 7:40 AM

Yes, women power!

by Anonymousreply 205January 16, 2022 1:31 PM

Fuck a Fusion Ticket.

Don't forget the GOP is the party of Trump... ALL of them! We don't need their schizophrenic moments of clarity when 99.9% of the time they are supporting autocratic soul crushing policies that favor the uber-wealthy.

MSM always orgasms over Dems pulling GOP in and consulting with them but never the reverse.

Everyone knows GOP is corrupt as shit. MSM just wants DEMS to embrace the GOP to give them legitimacy. The entire MSM apparatus is pro-GOP. They want the opportunity to root for them publicly 24/7 (the 23/7 cheering for the GOP apparently isn't enough for them).

by Anonymousreply 206January 16, 2022 3:29 PM

I hope AK runs as an independent, it probably will pull some votes away from Rump or whatever other GQP ahole is running in 2024. I think some people still are deluded enough to think they can vote a split party ticket and haven't yet realized that we live in a country where you either vote for the fascist autocrats or the normal people. Some still think that they can vote for Biden but also vote for Susan Collins or Lindsey Graham. That kind of thinking gets us nowhere. This isn't the 90s where that MIGHT have worked out okay.

by Anonymousreply 207January 17, 2022 12:30 AM
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