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UFOs / UAPs are real - but what are they?

The Navy admits they are real. The time of pretending they are swamp gas is over.

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by Anonymousreply 202January 27, 2022 11:03 PM

China would be the only “rational” answer, but if they’ve had super-efficient, ultra-fast drones in their possession for more than 15 years, they would’ve bankrupted Amazon a long time ago.

by Anonymousreply 1January 12, 2022 8:31 AM

Sure, there're unidentified fo as they are stealth exercises for hi tech planes. That why they are seen in the Midwest and not flying over Darfur Orphan.

by Anonymousreply 2January 12, 2022 8:35 AM

I one day woke up To see them flying from my bed I softly said "Come take me"

by Anonymousreply 3January 12, 2022 9:42 AM

Funny how the intelligent space roaming beings stick with the 50's styled spacecraft.

by Anonymousreply 4January 12, 2022 12:01 PM

[quote] Sure, there're unidentified fo as they are stealth exercises for hi tech planes. That why they are seen in the Midwest and not flying over Darfur Orphan.

Then why have they been engaging with Navy ships and aircraft?

by Anonymousreply 5January 12, 2022 12:16 PM

Well, of course!

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by Anonymousreply 6January 12, 2022 12:21 PM

Hopefully we’ll soon get to the bottom of this:

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by Anonymousreply 7January 12, 2022 12:28 PM

I've seen them. Thought it was a shooting star or satellite, but it suddenly came to a stop and changed direction. It kept doing this in a figure 8 type pattern for several minutes then flew off. Others in my area have seen this too. We are in the far north of Wisconsin near Lake Superior. It was end of April 2019 about 1am.

by Anonymousreply 8January 12, 2022 12:35 PM

Swamp gas? Why that's just the effects of my good, down-home cooking.

by Anonymousreply 9January 12, 2022 12:49 PM

They are just a Metaverse inguinal hernia in our reality. Barf!

by Anonymousreply 10January 12, 2022 12:53 PM

They are bolides, meteorites and fireballs…

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by Anonymousreply 11January 12, 2022 7:20 PM

R8, it sounds like a quasi-zenith satellite orbit, which looks like a figure 8.

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by Anonymousreply 12January 12, 2022 7:30 PM

R8, there’s a satellite program that has been used to monitor changes to the Great Lakes over the years…

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by Anonymousreply 13January 12, 2022 8:09 PM

“In 2022, aurorae in general should become more frequent, as Solar Cycle 25 intensifies. The equinoxes also mark the start of geostationary satellite flare and eclipse season, as the distant satellites rise briefly into naked eye visibility, only to be extinguished as they hit the Earth’s shadow.”

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by Anonymousreply 14January 12, 2022 8:16 PM

[Quote] Then why have they been engaging with Navy ships and aircraft?

Joint maneuvers.

by Anonymousreply 15January 12, 2022 8:19 PM

Uh huh

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by Anonymousreply 16January 12, 2022 8:24 PM

[quote]Then why have they been engaging with Navy ships and aircraft?

[quote]Joint maneuvers.

Yeah, except when conducting "joint" maneuvers usually both parties are aware of such maneuvers in advance.

by Anonymousreply 17January 12, 2022 10:43 PM

[quote]Swamp gas? Why that's just the effects of my good, down-home cooking.

Sometimes my pussy queefs so forcefully and foully that it produces ball lightning.

by Anonymousreply 18January 12, 2022 10:44 PM

But would it move like that though r13? I looked up satellite movements and this didn't seem to fit any pattern.

by Anonymousreply 19January 12, 2022 11:01 PM

I find it interesting that so many people polled here think it can all be explained away by misidentifications of mundane things. The government has now admitted that is not the case. The Navy has admitted that is not the case and produced videos and expert witness testimonies to back that up. But still people refuse to accept that. Why?

by Anonymousreply 20January 12, 2022 11:04 PM

^Because people derive self-importance, "specialness", by affecting not to believe anything "the government" says. When the US denied the existence of UFO's, they believed in them; now that the govt. admits they apparently exist, these paranoid morons decide that that govt. MUST be lying to them. Simple. It's stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 21January 12, 2022 11:15 PM

While there may be life elsewhere in the galaxy, there is no life that possesses the technology to travel from system to system.

by Anonymousreply 22January 12, 2022 11:20 PM

We would likely be visited by AI or robots created by extraterrestrial life, rather than oganic beings attempting to transport themselves across interstellar space.

by Anonymousreply 23January 12, 2022 11:23 PM

And we know this how? There are accounts from reliable people of these things travelling without any apparent disruption between mediums (commonly air and water, but sometimes supposedly through solid objects) and plenty of accounts of them apparently coming in or out of what are described as "holes in the sky". If these are technological objects, they are clearly advanced enough to travel in ways we don't understand. Perhaps "inter dimensionally".

by Anonymousreply 24January 12, 2022 11:25 PM

I think that they are secret Chinese military aircraft (including drones). A US spy photo taken over a Chinese airbase shows aircraft sitting on a runway that matches the shapes of UFOs that have been seen in the past few years (Tic Tac, triangle,etc).

by Anonymousreply 25January 12, 2022 11:31 PM

Thank you, Ms. Fleming...

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by Anonymousreply 26January 12, 2022 11:38 PM

R25, they are unidentified but we don’t really know what they are; they could be aurorae or drones or satellites. It’s just Occam’s razor that makes me think that’s more likely than aliens. It doesn’t mean I don’t believe the government that they are UFOs but UFO just means unidentified flying object. Even if some aren’t bolides or satellites, probably most are. A lot of people report UFO sightings when there are bolides.

by Anonymousreply 27January 12, 2022 11:41 PM

Meteors with fireballs are scary enough in their own right even if there’s nothing else involved.

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by Anonymousreply 28January 12, 2022 11:44 PM

About the 2013 superbolide, which was undetected beforehand.

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by Anonymousreply 29January 12, 2022 11:50 PM

A huge meteor enters the atmosphere once every 3-4 days but since Earth is mostly water we don’t always feel the impact.

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by Anonymousreply 30January 12, 2022 11:57 PM

R19, a figure 8 pattern on Lake Michigan does sound unusual. Not the right part of Earth to expect it. But people launch mini-satellites these days, even just as a hobby. And there are more GPS satellites than ever.

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by Anonymousreply 31January 13, 2022 12:15 AM

Also it looks like even geosynchronous orbit satellites sometimes produce patterns that look like figure 8s.

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by Anonymousreply 32January 13, 2022 12:22 AM

R19 this was an hour south of Lake Superior. It wasn't quite a figure 8 pattern, just a lot of zig zag movements. It was high enough up to resemble a shooting star. Extremely fast and could stop quickly and change direction.

by Anonymousreply 33January 13, 2022 7:33 AM

I did check out the link r32 and it wasn't anything like that. Thank you for sharing it!

by Anonymousreply 34January 13, 2022 7:35 AM

[Quote] both parties are aware of such maneuvers in advance.

Yeah right they'd tell us everything.

by Anonymousreply 35January 13, 2022 5:23 PM

R33, could it be related to an odd reflection of some kind? Doesn’t seem to fit but apparently there are a lot of strange phenomena on Lake Michigan in the winter.

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by Anonymousreply 36January 13, 2022 5:42 PM

A famous and well-documented Fata Morgana from 1894…

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by Anonymousreply 37January 13, 2022 6:03 PM

There are 2 trillion galaxies in the universe, and counting. I think some credence can be given to some of these UFO mysteries.

by Anonymousreply 38January 13, 2022 6:09 PM

R38, of course that’s possible. We exist so it’s possible that something like us exists. But there are also about 8.7 million other living species on Earth besides humans. It’s incredible that so much life exists here relative to any other place we know of. Personally I think we’ll discover that crows, ravens and dolphins have a complex language before we get communication from alien intelligence. Less distance to cover, and more in common in terms of environment…

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by Anonymousreply 39January 13, 2022 6:24 PM

The problem with extraterrestrial visitation is the distances involved. There are no doubt countless advanced civilizations out there. We should be glad they are too distant for a visit. If they were advanced enough to get here, we would be seen as primitive. A visit from them would most likely not go well. How did we treat natives of conquered lands? Stepping on or disrupting a minor species is not even worth a second thought here on Earth. For example, an anthill. We are the ants and they are the foot. E.T., stay the fuck home.

by Anonymousreply 40January 13, 2022 6:33 PM

If there are 8 million species r39 on this litle speck in one of 2+ trillion galaxies r38 how many species could there be out there? And given the size even of the known universe, what are the chances that can any of those species will come all the way to find and inspect one of 8 million species? The mind boggles... at our ego.

by Anonymousreply 41January 13, 2022 6:45 PM

Someone once posited that there have been other civilizations that flourished in the universe but we will always miss each other for the same reason that one will be long gone by a millenia when the other starts up. The universe is so old and vast the we will be long dead and extinct by the time another advanced civilization rose.

Also, count me in as one who thinks alien visitations would not bode well for us.

by Anonymousreply 42January 13, 2022 6:53 PM

The under-identified flying objects are the birds - the only living direct descendants of the near extinction of life on Earth that happened when asteroids destroyed the rest of the dinosaurs and 99.9 percent of life on Earth. I have seen them land in Portland by the 10s of thousands beside the Spaghetti Factory- they covered every branch of every tree and all came in to land together, and they would do that every night in Portland, coming together at the end of every evening somewhere in the city. We know they can recognize human faces and use tools and that they mourn their dead. And they are being wiped out, huge population decline over the past 50 years.

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by Anonymousreply 43January 13, 2022 7:25 PM

Crows recognize different individual people- something people can’t necessarily say we do. We don’t recognize individual crows…

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by Anonymousreply 44January 13, 2022 7:36 PM

There too many deathbed confessions from

around the globe to dismiss all of the evidence =

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by Anonymousreply 45January 14, 2022 6:49 PM

Several have come out over the years

about the 1980 UK UFO encounter =

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by Anonymousreply 46January 14, 2022 6:52 PM

Here's another like R46 =

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by Anonymousreply 47January 14, 2022 6:53 PM

The number in the US has to be in the hundreds (if not thousands) by now =

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by Anonymousreply 48January 14, 2022 6:54 PM

This is from a 2013 security cam (1 of 5 videos) =

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by Anonymousreply 49January 14, 2022 6:56 PM

I couldn't find video of the UFO that shut down

a Chinese airport years ago so I went with this one =

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by Anonymousreply 50January 14, 2022 6:58 PM

Davida, YT videos are not proof and are easily made up by fraudsters.

by Anonymousreply 51January 14, 2022 7:02 PM

Wow ignore on YT poster and voila! It's all one troll.

by Anonymousreply 52January 14, 2022 7:03 PM

Just because you don't know doesn't mean they are aliens.

Its like saying you don't know how the earth was created so it was by a bearded old fellow who did it in seven days.

Okaaaay.

by Anonymousreply 53January 14, 2022 7:13 PM

A friend of mine had this theory that UFOs are glimpses of a parallel universe or dimension where earth is inhabited by a different race or species which is more advanced than us. And another had this idea that we are sort of prisoners who don't know that we are prisoners by an alien race that feeds on our negative emotions like fear (sleep paralysis, for example).

I know, I have strange friends.

by Anonymousreply 54January 14, 2022 7:18 PM

R52 I've been prime timed for a couple of days so I'm playing catch up on posting here.

by Anonymousreply 55January 14, 2022 7:25 PM

Um, r43, birds aren’t real.

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by Anonymousreply 56January 14, 2022 7:26 PM

R54 as long as were going fanciful, I like the idea proposed by Men in Black.

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by Anonymousreply 57January 14, 2022 7:30 PM

A dying whistleblower's account begins at 1:20 =

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by Anonymousreply 58January 14, 2022 8:48 PM

Linda & the Israeli guy who said Trump was made aware of aliens =

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by Anonymousreply 59January 14, 2022 8:57 PM

R1 I would think china would be smart enough to apply advanced tech towards providing energy to its population. Also I do wonder why an “adversary” would have this tech only to make mysterious, occasional appearances rather than use it to dominate.

by Anonymousreply 60January 14, 2022 9:54 PM

They're trans-dimensional drones. Maybe from the "future".

by Anonymousreply 61January 14, 2022 10:05 PM

They're real.

by Anonymousreply 62January 14, 2022 10:17 PM

R59 she is a trump boot licker. I’ve backed away from Greer for the same reason. Both of them I think genuinely believe they are trying to approach the topic openly (and occasionally they do have something interesting to say), but their “findings”are highly influenced by their own belief systems, and especially in Greer’s case, egos.

by Anonymousreply 63January 14, 2022 10:22 PM

R60, China isn’t an adversary and I think no one wants a war, but there’s no denying international relations are tense. I would guess COVID was a lab leak but that they feel resentful about taking responsibility for it because of international encouragement of this type of research. Plus them needing to take financial responsibility for their billions of people even as the factories turn to robotics and the birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. They have a history of losing people to famine by the millions when things went wrong. They aren’t being straightforward about COVID probably because they know how hurt their own people could be if they were. And of course there’s the usual human corruption element on top of that, typical to what you’d see in the USSR - some are more equal than others, et cetera.

by Anonymousreply 64January 14, 2022 10:23 PM

Ok, your theory about COVID originating in a Chinese lab has been proven to the same extent that UFOs are of alien origin. Can you concede that? And I’m sorry but I must point out that human corruption is a world-wide phenomenon, not just China or Russia. I’d say it’s one of the more base human traits. As for whether China is an adversary, do you suppose they have any nuclear weapons pointed towards the US?

by Anonymousreply 65January 14, 2022 10:32 PM

Ignore davida folks. She's a right-wing Qtard who believes if it's on the internet it's true.

by Anonymousreply 66January 14, 2022 10:38 PM

This documentary series is rather dense but interesting.

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by Anonymousreply 67January 14, 2022 10:43 PM

R65, no, they aren’t an adversary. Of course corruption exists around the world too, but Communist countries sometimes say it doesn’t exist there in particular. Here, you have people who don’t believe poor people should have access to diabetes medicine- they aren’t even making a motion towards believing in human rights. There, you have people who feel the need to say everything is about human rights, but human nature being what it is, that isn’t always true. Regarding the origin of COVID, no one including me knows the origin of COVID. But I don’t have a strong belief that the Chinese government is always saying something that I would endorse. I don’t endorse their ban of sissy men or their cover up of the tennis player who was assaulted by a high ranking official. It’s actually encouraging that the scientists there in China keep putting out origin theories that they must know sound absurd to the world - they can’t go against the party line, just like the tennis player had to retract her rape allegation.

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by Anonymousreply 68January 14, 2022 10:55 PM

The idea that they're aliens is going out of favor. The time travel / interdimensional theory is gaining traction in top level circles. .

by Anonymousreply 69January 16, 2022 10:10 AM

I don’t believe they are time travellers since time travel to the past would seem to violate Relativity, but hey who know…

Dark matter and dark energy are believed to comprise something like 90% of the mass of the universe, which means there is a vast unseen universe around us but on that we cannot see nor experience. Perhaps these UAPs are probes sent from the dark matter universe? The problem with that hypothesis is that dark matter by definition does not interact with baryonic (“our”) matter, unless the dark matter beings have developed a way to manipulate baryonic matter and create these probes?

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by Anonymousreply 70January 17, 2022 2:39 AM

R63 Where did Howe support Trump? Linda has always said in her videos how humanity must come together & support each other. She never did the Covid is a hoax thing he spouted off in his final year & has always told her viewers to take the virus seriously. I think she did believe that he would reveal some truths about UFOs after he took office but since soured on him as a potential whistleblower.

She also supports climate change science (& reports on it routinely) which a majority of repubs don't. Based on her love of animals she is an animal rights advocate to some degree. Howe refers to God as "the divine field" numerous times which I doubt many in the religious right would condone.

The CIA is releasing more "paranormal" documents which include info about the universe =

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by Anonymousreply 71January 17, 2022 4:59 AM

The idea now is that meddling with the past creates alternative timelines, rather than eradicating the future where the meddling travellers come from. The whole multiverse thing. Then you have the intra-terrestrials theory; the notion that it's something presumably non human that's either from here or has been here for a very long time. It seems likely that there are bases of some sort deep under the sea. There has been a lot of activity detected.

by Anonymousreply 72January 17, 2022 8:14 AM

I'm a subscriber on DL and am only seeing this thread now. Why is that?

by Anonymousreply 73January 17, 2022 8:55 AM

They live in the deepest part of the sea in the abyssal trenches. They have vast civilizations down there. So they’re not aliens from another planet — they’re from this one.

by Anonymousreply 74January 17, 2022 9:00 AM

When you consider how long life has been on Earth, it is possible another civilisation could have been spawned here. It could be under the sea. There are thousands of examples of UFOs being seen entering the ocean.

by Anonymousreply 75January 17, 2022 9:08 AM

[quote]Others in my area have seen this too. We are in the far north of Wisconsin near Lake Superior.

So even ET knows the midwest is flyover country.

by Anonymousreply 76January 17, 2022 9:08 AM

Laugh if you must but we see some interesting shit around here.

by Anonymousreply 77January 17, 2022 9:24 AM

I don't laugh. I know they're real. What exactly they are, I don't know. I do know they're intelligently directed technological objects not produced by any contemporary human power.

by Anonymousreply 78January 17, 2022 10:37 AM

And how do you know this R78?

by Anonymousreply 79January 17, 2022 10:57 AM

I'd very much like to know more about what is allegedly beneath Antarctica. I've listened to some intriguing strange accounts on Earthfiles. I want the aliens to be real so as to have something to take my mind off of humans for a spell. Disclosure could be good for world peace, and possibly bring different people together. It would most certainly sort out the religious zealots as well.

by Anonymousreply 80January 17, 2022 11:54 AM

I'm really interested too r80. I'm excited we're actually getting credibly for these sightings at the very least.

by Anonymousreply 81January 17, 2022 12:26 PM

R81 Have you listened to Linda Moulton-Howe interview "Spartan I and Spartan II"? It's a fascinating account, even if it's rubbish. I'm not sure which interview is at the link, as Linda had a few different ones staggered on her YT Channel. I want to be believe, and the backdrop of his story sounds plausible enough.

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by Anonymousreply 82January 17, 2022 1:00 PM

No, I am fairly new to this research. I will give her a listen, thank you! R82

by Anonymousreply 83January 17, 2022 1:08 PM

R83 You're welcome... The other two vids seem to no longer available on her channel now....You may want to check her website:

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by Anonymousreply 84January 17, 2022 1:21 PM

R79, I think R78 is making a reasonable assumption based on the physical and flight characteristics of these objects observed by eyewitnesses and also tracked on multiple sensors (e.g radar).

For example, UAP seen and tracked accelerating and turning at speeds and generating g-forces that would vaporize the pilot and structure of a normal aircraft.I n one such sighting by multiple Naval aviators and radar operators in 2004 near San Diego, several objects appeared at 80,000 feet, then dropped within seconds to 20,000 feet without producing sonic booms, exhaust trails, or any other “normal” signature of rapid movement. Given that some of the observed objects are as large as fighter jets weighing 20 tons or so, in order to accelerate that kind of mass to the speed needed to cover that distance in such a short time would require about 1,100 gigawatts of energy, which is more than 10 times the total output of ALL the nuclear power plants in the United States. To put that in perspective, the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station in Arizona, provides about 3.3GW of power for about four million people.

Also: no sonic boom produced. Thankfully. Because if there had been one it would have annihilated not only the US Navy aircraft and fleet below but probably a good percentage of San Diego too.

If either Russia or China had such technology - 17 years ago! - do you not think that we'd all be speaking Russian or Mandarin by now?

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by Anonymousreply 85January 17, 2022 6:56 PM

Odd that Covid arises during this proliferation of sightings.

by Anonymousreply 86January 17, 2022 6:59 PM

You should have had a ‘don’t know’ choice OP. And perhaps a ‘don't care’ one. Though I’m in the first category.

by Anonymousreply 87January 17, 2022 8:38 PM

People should understand that credible sightings did not start with the recent navy videos. Many highly credible sightings began in World War 2 and accelerated massively with post-war nuclear testing. Many credible sightings are highly correlated with either nuclear testing sights or nuclear weapons facilities. What was New Mexico associated with around the time of the Roswell incident? It seems the advent of the bomb really got the UAPs' attention in a big way. Do some reading there is a lot of credible information out there. My assumption would be the recent naval exercises that were buzzed included ships with nukes.

by Anonymousreply 88January 17, 2022 8:46 PM

It wasn't "the Russians" or "the Chinese" doing these things in the 1950s. The idea that UAPs are contemporary human technology is absolutely ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 89January 17, 2022 9:03 PM

They’re experimental aircraft and weaponry. Duh.

“Say, is that a secret flying weapon the government might be developing?”

“No. It’s from another planet, Rose.”

by Anonymousreply 90January 17, 2022 10:09 PM

So you think the government has had secret tech with flying saucer characteristics (extreme speed, agility, no visible sign of propulsion), no wings, no exhaust) since the 1950s? That makes no sense whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 91January 17, 2022 10:12 PM

[quote] That makes no sense whatsoever.

Why because they didn't call & tell you about it?

Back when Nixon was president satellites were able to tell that crowds of people in Chinese towns along Nixon’s routes were the same people who bicycled from one town to the other. Back then, people thought only an alien intelligence could have floated an unmanned spaceship into the sky and followed people on the ground from town to town thousands of miles away and transit pictures of them through the air. .

Or that humans couldn’t possibly have constructed pyramids or ziggurats without alien help. Or that Osama Bin Laden, from one of the wealthiest families in the Middle East, only had access to 1950s style video cameras that were blurry and buzzed with static in the 2000s.

by Anonymousreply 92January 17, 2022 10:23 PM

UFO's / UAP's have been documented for decades. How can people say that it is the government trying secret "advanced technology" when this goes back to before the invention of jet propulsion?

by Anonymousreply 93January 17, 2022 10:34 PM

Well, if I'm ever abducted I will certainly not put up with all of that anal probing nonsense, as I am a top.

by Anonymousreply 94January 17, 2022 11:09 PM

What is this all about?

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by Anonymousreply 95January 18, 2022 1:46 AM

Great post, R85.

by Anonymousreply 96January 18, 2022 3:18 AM

The government keeps it a secret because they know very little about these UAPs and what they do know makes then realise they're powerless against them if things get ugly. And that's an unacceptable position to take to the public.

by Anonymousreply 97January 18, 2022 11:08 AM

Agreed R93. Earthfiles YT channel did not disappoint tonight, as Linda informs us that Reagan was briefed on the different Alien visitors. Fascinating night! If anyone takes the time to watch the hour long programme, and finds it intriguing, please don't forget to "Like & Subscribe"! It just so happens to be Linda's Sweet 80th Birthday. She's really trying for 200K subscribers.

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by Anonymousreply 98January 20, 2022 6:56 AM

It's my cat, Bob. I told him to knock it off and that it freaks people out, but he just won't listen. If he does land, don't be afraid, you can pet him, he's friendly.

by Anonymousreply 99January 20, 2022 7:24 AM

He actually saw one himself in 1974.

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by Anonymousreply 100January 20, 2022 8:57 AM

The aliens took Ronnie's brain and left him Nancy - who was an emaciated Grey in a bad wig and a red power suit.

by Anonymousreply 101January 24, 2022 6:32 AM
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by Anonymousreply 102January 25, 2022 2:41 AM

I hope no one on the DL hears about this case -

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by Anonymousreply 103January 25, 2022 2:44 AM

I haven't thoroughly read the whole thread but don't see Luis Elizondo being mentioned here. He's a former US Army counter-intelligence officer who ran the Pentagon's secretive UFO/UAP program for almost a decade. He resigned because he was frustrated by people within the department who were "going rogue", whatever that means (he didn't explain it) He did mention that there are aliens walking among us but we can't see them and brought up the multi-dimensional theory.

The government has been in possession of alien spacecraft and has used reverse technology to build these things. I dated a guy over 35 years ago (yes, I admit I'm old) who worked as an aerospace engineer at Northrop Aerospace and told me they were building a top secret aircraft that could hover like a UFO, although he didn't say if they were successful at the time. I am sure they have made advancements in the technology of that aircraft since then. I have heard though that the material of these UFOs are flexible, almost breathable like plasma.

But I do believe the UFO phenomena is comprised of secret government projects, alien technology and natural phenomena.

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by Anonymousreply 104January 25, 2022 4:11 AM

Neil deGrasse Tyson, said recently that they are computer glitches. He said people don't realize how glitchy these systems are and UFOs are not real. He doesn't believe it. The idea that an alien race could find a tiny little planet in this vast universe is absurd. Not to mention the vast spaces between planets. Most of them are thousands if not millions of light-years away. A light-year equals 50 thousand years.

by Anonymousreply 105January 25, 2022 4:27 AM

So visual identification of objects from multiple pilots, all of them on the record in the San Diego case, which match the "computer glitches" are explained how?

by Anonymousreply 106January 25, 2022 4:33 AM

[quote] Many highly credible sightings began in World War 2 and accelerated massively with post-war nuclear testing. Many credible sightings are highly correlated with either nuclear testing sights or nuclear weapons facilities. What was New Mexico associated with around the time of the Roswell incident?

Los Alamos, New Mexico, was the site of Project Y, or the top-secret atomic weapons laboratory directed by J. Robert Oppenheimer.

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by Anonymousreply 107January 25, 2022 6:28 AM

Neil deGrasse Tyson is an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 108January 25, 2022 6:33 AM

sorry, about that link.

didn't mean to destroy the thread.

by Anonymousreply 109January 25, 2022 6:36 AM

Time travelers.

by Anonymousreply 110January 25, 2022 6:39 AM

The UFO Casebook website has more photos/ info on this case & others from the 1940s.

by Anonymousreply 111January 25, 2022 6:42 AM

R4, if they are true alien tech, there’s likely a reason why the styles have stayed the same because it’s probably in its most idealized and effective state and has sustained that without curbing to Steve Jobs design aesthetics.

by Anonymousreply 112January 25, 2022 7:31 AM

R22, that is an incredibly presumptuous statement to make. Who is to say that the organisms that eventually lead to human life didn’t exist on other planets somewhere in the stratosphere and over time evolved into humanoid creatures? Who is to say that those planets didn’t have a century or more of a head start over the globe and achieved technological achievements that we did and also moved beyond them? Are we at the end of our capacity for achievement now? Can‘t we move forward even more? Most people will say we will.

We achieved flight AND getting aircrafts into space within fifty years. But we’re special and no other organically similar to humans could do the same and go even further than we could with it by benefit of a head start?

by Anonymousreply 113January 25, 2022 7:40 AM

They tested the bomb at White Sands. The aliens were scoping out the nuclear antics when they crashed.

by Anonymousreply 114January 25, 2022 8:05 AM

R40, that’s an interesting point but here’s my thought. Yes, we casually step on and destroy countless organisms and bugs as part of our daily lives and don’t think about it. But if we’re searchers with an empty log and we find a rainbow colored deer, we’re going to investigate it further. There’s a chance these are advanced creatures from another galaxy who have found evidence of life on another planet? Will their first choice be to destroy it after the journey or study it? It’s not dissimilar from human anthropologists.

Yes, they might dissect and study the carcasses to some degree, but I’m sure they are more interesting in studying our habits and communications.

There’s always the threat that we are actually quite common throughout the trillions of galaxies and they’re here to plunder our (dwindling) resources, but the fact that there’s consistent appearances of UFOs makes me think we’re being studied on a long term basis because they probably could’ve erased us already if they wanted us to.

This doesn’t dispute the notion that we may be one of several functioning planets of intelligent life they’re studying. But it could be a thing where it’s like scientists on our planet studying thousands and thousands of different species but, in our case, maybe spread our over several million galaxies and their arrival in each has been perfected in a time space continuum that we can’t even comprehend.

by Anonymousreply 115January 25, 2022 8:23 AM

Cattle mutilation tells us what we need to know.

by Anonymousreply 116January 25, 2022 8:27 AM

Ask the phucking nutbag Whitley Strieber. His books are beyond bizarre. I diagnose severe trauma or an ex-wife who took him to the cleaners.

by Anonymousreply 117January 25, 2022 8:29 AM

R41, only one species out of 8 million perfected transglobal communication between each other, so yeah, I’d say alien life would have a particular interest in ours over others.

by Anonymousreply 118January 25, 2022 8:31 AM

R72, can you provide documentation on that? Weirdly nothing comes up on Google.

by Anonymousreply 119January 25, 2022 8:59 AM

[quote] Many credible sightings are highly correlated with either nuclear testing sights or nuclear weapons facilities

I wonder if they've made several trips to NK and disabled their nuclear weapons and scared the shit out of Kim Jong-un.

The ongoing theory among psychics and UFO believers is that they don't want us to blow up this beautiful planet which would have a chain reaction and affecting everything in the solar system, galaxy, universe, etc. They and the world leaders don't feel we're ready to meet them but it's only a matter of time, maybe in 10 years or so.

by Anonymousreply 120January 25, 2022 9:14 AM

Their interest in us not blowing ourselves up has fuelled the time travel theory. They might also not want us going out into the universe soon as a warring and bomb-crazed people.

by Anonymousreply 121January 25, 2022 9:18 AM

R105, Neil deGrasse Tyson is an arrogant prick who has been given far too much authority based on the novelty of his brand. His word is by no means the gospel truth and shouldn’t be seen as such just because he’s been given a heavy Hollywood push that has diminished in recent years due to his Chester status.

by Anonymousreply 122January 25, 2022 9:36 AM

If you ever talk to people about this it's surprising how many have had an experience. Also how many "put it out of their minds"

My uncle is a retired air traffic controller, he says people in his profession have been aware of UFOs for years - and their actions - he's sure from their behavior they aren't government aircraft. He and his colleagues have been seeing stuff like this since the 60's (him, anyway - some, probably earlier) - there's no way the government (or other governments) had technology that could do the kinds of things UFOS do, way back then.

I was talking to an acquaintance a while ago and this guy is not a bull-shitter or a prankster and is always sincere. He told me about being on a lake in NH as a teenager at night - he and some other guys had swum out to a raft, and were lying there looking at the stars, when slowly the stars were blacked out, like a huge object was blacking them out. Then it lit up with thousands of lights as it went over and hovered, then moved on. Again, from his description, this thing was like, football fields wide and long, so where would any government be storing anything like this - and this was back in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 123January 25, 2022 9:43 AM

I honestly think the secrecy is down to this * The government knows they're real, but knows virtually nothing about them, they know about as much as we do * They're so far ahead of us that we have no defence. Thus the government possibly wisely keeps it quiet. Admitting either of these things will devastate public confidence in the government, while staying quiet has no downside.

by Anonymousreply 124January 25, 2022 9:51 AM

[quote] Neil deGrasse Tyson, said recently that they are computer glitches. He said people don't realize how glitchy these systems are and UFOs are not real. He doesn't believe it.

He’s never been trained on nor flown an F18, and knows nothing about its radar and infra-red camera and tracking systems. He has no qualifications whatsoever that entitle him to dismiss these encounters as “computer glitches”. Which by the way would necessitate computer glitches occurring simultaneously about the the F18 and a fleet of Navy ships below on the sea.

by Anonymousreply 125January 25, 2022 1:24 PM

here is a good article debunking it

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by Anonymousreply 126January 25, 2022 8:56 PM

You can't debunk something while knowing so little about it.

by Anonymousreply 127January 25, 2022 10:01 PM

No is such a safe position, but it doesn't cut it anymore.

by Anonymousreply 128January 25, 2022 10:04 PM

Military bases have been swarmed by UFOs

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by Anonymousreply 129January 26, 2022 2:05 AM

Part 2

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by Anonymousreply 130January 26, 2022 2:06 AM

This black woman was married to a top US military guy & he took her to see a capture reptilian back in the 1970s at a US base.

It starts at 14:40 =

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by Anonymousreply 131January 26, 2022 2:12 AM

Navy officer shares his life experiences with documents with aliens starting at 1:50 =

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by Anonymousreply 132January 26, 2022 2:16 AM

Israel scientists sure do know plenty about the subject. Interview starts at 4:30 =

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by Anonymousreply 133January 26, 2022 2:31 AM

^^^ Not believable when you get your science off youtube.

by Anonymousreply 134January 26, 2022 2:43 AM

R134 YouTube has more science on it than existed in the 1800s & all the centuries that came before.

by Anonymousreply 135January 26, 2022 2:50 AM

I actually was born on another planet and came here as a child. These UFOs are FAKE. No one has that technology except the Jews.

by Anonymousreply 136January 26, 2022 2:54 AM

R134 Perhaps you're completely unfamiliar with YT. There are many channels hosted by Astrophysicists, Physicists, Biologists, Geneticists, etc. If you'd like any recommendations for some highbrow channels, I'd be happy to oblige. It isn't fair to be so deprecating of all YT content.

There are also top quality medical lectures used by med students, as well as practising physicians. Many of them are triple board certified.

by Anonymousreply 137January 26, 2022 3:00 AM

UFOs make much more sense if you believe we are actually living in a computer simulation.

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by Anonymousreply 138January 26, 2022 3:20 AM

here is an astrophysicist who says it isn't aliens

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by Anonymousreply 139January 26, 2022 3:45 AM

Woman who worked at Montauk Air Base reveals what she knows about US shootdowns of alien crafts.

Subject starts at 6:40. Her story starts at 10:05 =

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by Anonymousreply 140January 26, 2022 4:06 AM

A famous Russian encounter in January 1985 -

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by Anonymousreply 141January 26, 2022 5:11 AM

Judging by gaps in the comments and some of the comments I must conclude DR is running amok and posting crackpot videos from YouTube "experts".

by Anonymousreply 142January 26, 2022 5:18 AM

R142 You're making conclusions but they're not EXPERT conclusions...

by Anonymousreply 143January 26, 2022 5:25 AM

Humans think that aliens will all be like us with opposable thumbs to build rocket ships. I believe there is a lot of life out there. But a lot of alien life could be intelligent life but have no ability to move around the universe. Dolphins and whales are intelligent sentient beings but cannot build a rocket. also maybe other lifeforms in the universe Don't even want to travel. I promise you an alien will never land here.

by Anonymousreply 144January 26, 2022 5:29 AM

In an infinite universe there are going to be aliens who are roughly humanoid in shape and form, and who produce technology. We see convergent evolution of unrelated species on earth. Compare the morphology of sharks and dolphins.

by Anonymousreply 145January 26, 2022 6:05 AM

Species like ours burn themselves out. They hit a wall. To travel you have to have some form of external energy. The odds of even an alien species coming here or even leaving their own planet is ridiculously small. We can't leave this planet for more than a few days without damage to our bones and eye problems just from being in space for a little while.

by Anonymousreply 146January 26, 2022 8:27 AM

The universe is VAST and even if most technological species burn out, some civilisations would survive and produce god-like technology. In 30 years we went from jets to the moon landing. Imagine a species that survived and thrived a further million years. They'd be punching holes in the fabric of space and time.

by Anonymousreply 147January 26, 2022 8:47 AM

R147 Interesting turn of a phrase there, your last sentence. Funnily enough, some abductees have said aliens have explained them when we detonate nuclear bombs for testing, or the old Hydrogen bombs dropped on Japan, we tear the very fabric of space and time, and do harm to other locations, and possibly dimensions. Quite a chilling thing to ponder.

Some in US government, and retired military say that's why the craft have disabled and tinkered with the weapons' systems. They would appear to be having a supervisory position over many of these silos and bunkers.

by Anonymousreply 148January 26, 2022 9:00 AM

People who think they have been abducted by aliens are schizophrenic. Sounds like something out of that publication you see in supermarkets called the globe. R148 They always look like humans. because people who believe this stuff can't imagine what another species might look like or act like. Or what kind of atmosphere they live in.

by Anonymousreply 149January 26, 2022 9:28 AM

R149 That's what Dr. Mack once believed, until he studies them at Harvard and made them his life's work. (interesting fellow)

Well the retired government whistleblowers still say as much about humans damaging or tearing the fabric of spacetime, so one could suppose we could leave abductees out of it.

by Anonymousreply 150January 26, 2022 9:44 AM

^ studied them.

by Anonymousreply 151January 26, 2022 9:45 AM

I find it hard to believe nuclear bombs echo throughout other realms. Surely the sun would be far more impactful if that were the case.

by Anonymousreply 152January 26, 2022 10:06 AM

[quote] Species like ours burn themselves out. They hit a wall.

You’re basing that statement on a sample size of one.

by Anonymousreply 153January 26, 2022 12:50 PM

And the radio silence in this neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 154January 26, 2022 11:36 PM

Radio signals haven't turned up anything. We have been looking for signs of life for decades and nothing. radio silence.

by Anonymousreply 155January 26, 2022 11:40 PM

Radio would likely only be used for a very narrow period of time in a civilisation's history. We are almost done with radio ourselves. It'll probably only be used for a few centuries at most.

by Anonymousreply 156January 26, 2022 11:44 PM

All the astrophysics are saying it is bullshit. Here is another And I trust them over people who don't study the universe

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by Anonymousreply 157January 26, 2022 11:47 PM

He doesn't offer any reasonable alternative explanation at all, but instead vaguely implies an earthly power may be responsible for tech that is so far above what anyone has now, it beggars belief.

by Anonymousreply 158January 26, 2022 11:52 PM

this is even too stupid to argue. it is like arguing with people who believe in angels. People don't seem to understand the vast distances and time. Humans are really gullible

by Anonymousreply 159January 26, 2022 11:57 PM

We should be investigating it as a probable foreign nation with new tech. And we better be on top of it.

by Anonymousreply 160January 26, 2022 11:59 PM

What's your explanation then? What are trained navy pilots seeing, and multiple detection systems recording at the same time, and confirming to be there? What are these solid, technological objects that are doing things no present technology can even approach?

by Anonymousreply 161January 27, 2022 12:00 AM

How do you know that R161? Because you say so?

by Anonymousreply 162January 27, 2022 12:50 AM

Many years ago objects were spotted and thought to be UFOS. They were until the military unveiled their new technology in radar evading aircraft. All those mysterious objects had been test flights and not alien aircraft.

by Anonymousreply 163January 27, 2022 12:54 AM

jI can't wait until June when the report comes out so I can say I told you so.

by Anonymousreply 164January 27, 2022 1:01 AM

More than likely it will say that, yes, ufos exist but that still doesn't mean extraterrestrial. Same old, same old.

by Anonymousreply 165January 27, 2022 1:13 AM

This was an entertaining documentary (on Amazon Prime last time I checked). Takes all kinds to make a world, and I love it that way.

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by Anonymousreply 166January 27, 2022 1:21 AM

I hate all the misinformation and disinformation around anything paranormal. Too many people motivated by various agendas muddy the water. I honestly have no more interest in these subjects because so much of it is just garbage.

by Anonymousreply 167January 27, 2022 4:51 AM

Some park ranger accounts from the late 80s/early 90s dealt with UFOs in Yellowstone =

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by Anonymousreply 168January 27, 2022 5:24 AM

You can overcome the bullshit factor by reading the NY Times coverage of the recent UAP developments. It really is excellent and avoids the speculation that plagues this subject.

by Anonymousreply 169January 27, 2022 5:34 AM

Thanks for the heads up. So much is sensationalist crap by someone trying to hawk a book, series or doc. Even the Art Bell programs back in the 00s you took with a grain of salt. Too many people are willing to do or say whatever for attention or money.

by Anonymousreply 170January 27, 2022 5:38 AM

This documentary isn't too bad at all, although it is made for network TV in Australia so strays into over-cooked at some points. Ross Coulthart is a serious and award winning journalist.

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by Anonymousreply 171January 27, 2022 5:43 AM

R169 NY Times? LOL!

by Anonymousreply 172January 27, 2022 5:45 AM

Will you LOL 60 Minutes too, R172?

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by Anonymousreply 173January 27, 2022 3:31 PM

And the Pentagon makes it very clear that these objects physically exist, ruling out atmospheric phenomena and sensor malfunctions, and in nearly every case remain unidentified and unexplained.

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by Anonymousreply 174January 27, 2022 3:34 PM

R174, you are missing what most of us are saying. Yes, there are ufos but that doesn't make them extraterrestrial.

by Anonymousreply 175January 27, 2022 4:29 PM

Then what are they? It's so easy to be dismissive without offering a serious alternative.

by Anonymousreply 176January 27, 2022 8:37 PM

You are a child R176 (davida?) More than likely it's experimental aircraft. That is a serious alternative yet you want an absolute answer. It's a UFO aka unidentified flying object which does not mean men from Mars merely unidentified.

by Anonymousreply 177January 27, 2022 8:51 PM

[quote]It's a UFO aka unidentified flying object which does not mean men from Mars merely unidentified.

Agreed R177, however that's quite an "experimental aircraft" that can fly and maneuver without any visible means of propulsion, all while pulling G-forces that would liquidate any pilot inside of it. The country or organization flying it would clearly have the ability to conquer the planet with such technology.

by Anonymousreply 178January 27, 2022 9:09 PM

R178, if its experimental and top secret you won't know how it's propelled, now would you? You are wanting black and white, cut and dry explanations because you believe in aliens. Now, bye, Davida. This is as much attention I will give to a troll like you.

by Anonymousreply 179January 27, 2022 9:13 PM

If I can't explain something it's "an experimental aircraft".

by Anonymousreply 180January 27, 2022 9:15 PM

When I lived in las vegas they were testing the stealth bomber. people were freaked out thinking it was aliens until the gov admitted it was testing this new high-tech plane.

by Anonymousreply 181January 27, 2022 9:15 PM

The stealth bomber was a plane that aroused suspicion because of its unusual shape and color. Shape and color are not the strange issues we are seeing in the navy videos. To say the least.

by Anonymousreply 182January 27, 2022 9:18 PM

Occam's Razor R180 plus most people with critical thinking and logic skills don't immediately think " ooh, it's aliens".

by Anonymousreply 183January 27, 2022 9:19 PM

Well. Guess we know for sure 💩 👞 is still haunting us and still pushing her crazy ass shit.

by Anonymousreply 184January 27, 2022 9:21 PM

Chasten Buttigieg is an experimental aircraft.

by Anonymousreply 185January 27, 2022 9:25 PM

Who the fuck is "Davida", R179? Obsessive much?

Do you actually think Kristen Gillibrand, Marco Rubio and others - who are privy to the classified information - would have written legislation mandating that the Pentagon invest time and resources into determining what these things are if they were experimental aircraft? Oh and if they're trying to keep such experimental aircraft secret don't you think it's a pretty fucking stupid idea to be flying them around unannounced to other military aircraft and in daylight? It's not like that happened when the B2 stealth bomber, the F117 stealth fighter or the SR-71 Blackbird were in development, right?

by Anonymousreply 186January 27, 2022 9:28 PM

Nice try but no R186.

by Anonymousreply 187January 27, 2022 9:31 PM

How else are they going to test them if they don't fly them around? If this is foreign aircraft they need to investigate. But I very much doubt anyone in the gov is thinking aliens.

by Anonymousreply 188January 27, 2022 9:32 PM

The only trolls in this thread are the ones chanting "it's Davida!" and "It's an experimental aircraft". The rest are adults having an adult conversation. Get lost ands leave us to it.

by Anonymousreply 189January 27, 2022 9:33 PM

experimental aircraft is the only logical answer. You most likely believe in ghosts, angels, and god.

by Anonymousreply 190January 27, 2022 9:44 PM

You are an experimental aircraft.

by Anonymousreply 191January 27, 2022 9:48 PM

She does R190 along with psychics, witches, voodoo, Hilary Clinton and Hollywood pedo sex rings.

by Anonymousreply 192January 27, 2022 9:51 PM

Ignore the "experimental" trolls. They know better than seasoned pilots.

by Anonymousreply 193January 27, 2022 9:52 PM

Seasoned pilots and the government itself which has denied it is their own technology.

Secret technology that for some reason was sent to engage the US Navy without warning or explanation, and the navy filmed and logged it on their sensors and released to the media.

by Anonymousreply 194January 27, 2022 9:55 PM

"The only trolls are the ones saying DR" is its typical M.O. when revealed.

Better off blocked.

by Anonymousreply 195January 27, 2022 9:57 PM

Children want black and white answers to questions. Adults know the reality is that shades of gray exist and adults will likely pick the most logical answer and not jump to Santa Claus or ghosts.

by Anonymousreply 196January 27, 2022 10:13 PM

"Experimental aircraft" isn't a grey answer. It's an explain-all answer, requiring no proof or justification, an answer that's black and white, and an andswer allows any further discussion to be dismissed. The government itself has denied the possibility this is US tech. There is no compelling evidence at all that it's any other nation's tech.

by Anonymousreply 197January 27, 2022 10:23 PM

Yeah like the gov is going to give away all their secrets. I don't know if it is ours or not but I certainly don't believe the gov would give away any secret info until they are ready.

by Anonymousreply 198January 27, 2022 10:40 PM

Objects with the same characteristics seen in the navy videos were observed and recorded by highly credible people including high status military personnel, dating back to the 1940s. Were those objects also "experimental aircraft"?

by Anonymousreply 199January 27, 2022 10:48 PM

The planet has been around for 4 billion years and has had 5 mass extensions. we are now in the sixth We only recently have had intelligent life sophisticated to change the face of the planet. So even if intelligent life exists it may not exist at the same time as other species on other planets. in other words they may be already extinct. All species come and go quickly. 97% of all species that have lived on this planet were already extinct before we got here. Humans always seem to think the aliens are going to be exactly like humans with the same motivations.

by Anonymousreply 200January 27, 2022 10:48 PM

Right, time is a factor, and evolution is a factor. On the side of UFO aliens existing is the fact that the universe is VAST, so even if most civilisations are now extinct, there should still be some active. On the side of the aliens being vaguely humanoid and being technological, is the fact we've seen convergent evolution of unrelated species many times on Earth. The same forms get produced time and time again.

by Anonymousreply 201January 27, 2022 10:53 PM

Yeah E201 I have often wondered if when the big bang happened all of the building blocks for life went all over the universe and created the same forms of life. Like fish types and bird types and primate types but still the vastness of space and as you mentioned evolution make it extremely unlikely that we would ever encounter alien life. I truly wish we could because I find the universe so completely fascinating and the whole idea of encountering an alien beyond thrilling

by Anonymousreply 202January 27, 2022 11:03 PM
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