I have no money and I don't know anyone there.
Hello and thank you for being a DL contributor. We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. Please click here to update your account with a username and password.
Hello. Some features on this site require registration. Please click here to register for free.
Hello and thank you for registering. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. If you can't find the email you can resend it here.
Hello. Some features on this site require a subscription. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month.
I have no money and I don't know anyone there.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||January 27, 2022 3:41 PM|
why are you moving if you have no money? Why Vermont specifically rather than someplace else?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||January 12, 2022 12:54 AM|
Write to Bernie Sanders and tell him you want your free shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||January 12, 2022 12:54 AM|
I love it, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||January 12, 2022 12:55 AM|
You can stay in my vacation home.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||January 12, 2022 12:55 AM|
Boring and dreadful weather
|by Anonymous||reply 5||January 12, 2022 12:56 AM|
OP, read about VT's relocation grants...
|by Anonymous||reply 6||January 12, 2022 12:57 AM|
It is -3F at the Burlington Country Club.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||January 12, 2022 12:58 AM|
Do you want to move further in North?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||January 12, 2022 12:58 AM|
Vermont is not an easy place to live. There are few well-paying jobs, terrible winter weather (unless you ski), and a limited amount of rental housing, in most towns, none. Sounds like you need to find a job and save up some money. If you think moving to Vermont will solve your problems, you're in for a big surprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||January 12, 2022 12:59 AM|
Vermont? Why? All it has is tourism, and ugly white people.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||January 12, 2022 12:59 AM|
R9, exactly! So remote and lack of any culture
|by Anonymous||reply 11||January 12, 2022 1:00 AM|
Here you go,
|by Anonymous||reply 12||January 12, 2022 1:00 AM|
It’s a great vacation spot , but horrid year round
|by Anonymous||reply 13||January 12, 2022 1:01 AM|
OP, you also sound desperate for attention
|by Anonymous||reply 14||January 12, 2022 1:04 AM|
OP = Alec Baldwin
|by Anonymous||reply 15||January 12, 2022 1:05 AM|
[quote] why are you moving if you have no money? Why Vermont specifically rather than someplace else?
You know how people always say, "I want to move to Tahiti" or "I want to live in Paris."
I've always wanted to live in Vermont.
It just seems like my kind of place.
I like rural areas, mountains, snow, and cold.
I don't know anything about the people, but I'm pretty easy to get along with.
And Winter doesn't bother me.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||January 12, 2022 1:12 AM|
Well then, I guess you can’t go-
|by Anonymous||reply 17||January 12, 2022 1:15 AM|
R9 you seem to know a lot about VT.
Why are there no rentals? I don't understand.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||January 12, 2022 1:17 AM|
Unfortunately the pay is low and there's no housing and on the off chance you find housing it's only affordable if you live with 5 other people or live in a dump. My apartment is 65 degrees right now with the heat having been cranked all day and space heaters on in whatever room I am in.
I love Vermont but I would strongly discourage anyone from moving here.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||January 12, 2022 1:18 AM|
R19 I'm still not understanding.
WHY is there no housing?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||January 12, 2022 1:20 AM|
The people are unfriendly
|by Anonymous||reply 21||January 12, 2022 1:21 AM|
There's no housing because there's very little new housing and the college students from out of state take all of the housing and drive up pricing. I am not exaggerating when I say that Burlington has less than 1 percent available occupancy. People start looking a year ahead of having to move. All the houses sold sight unseen to out of staters at extremely high prices, pricing out Vermonters.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||January 12, 2022 1:24 AM|
Cold weather, unfriendly people, no housing available.
I'm starting to like it even more.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||January 12, 2022 1:26 AM|
R21 Rescue Chick seems friendly.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||January 12, 2022 1:27 AM|
only when I want to be, I can go entire weeks without talking to someone except my boss at work. And I don't hesitate to tell someone to fuck off otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||January 12, 2022 1:29 AM|
The only people with money and housing live in NJ/NY/CT.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||January 12, 2022 1:40 AM|
Very high rate of poverty and opiate addiction, without the wealth of NYS so limited social programs, etc for those in need.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||January 12, 2022 1:54 AM|
Yes. Stay in those ⬆️ Klassy states.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||January 12, 2022 1:55 AM|
OP, where do you currently live? How old are you?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||January 12, 2022 1:58 AM|
I live outside of Los Angeles, R29.
In my 30's.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||January 12, 2022 1:59 AM|
And what kind of work do you do?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||January 12, 2022 2:02 AM|
Nothing, at the moment.
I'd have to find a job in Vermont.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||January 12, 2022 2:03 AM|
Well what are you trained for? What kind of work would you be looking for?
|by Anonymous||reply 33||January 12, 2022 2:06 AM|
Anything really, R33.
I just need to find work and a place to live.
I'm not picky.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||January 12, 2022 2:06 AM|
Well at least you have a plan.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||January 12, 2022 2:08 AM|
"I'll do anything" is not a plan.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||January 12, 2022 2:10 AM|
[Quote]I like rural areas, mountains, snow, and cold.
So move to Colorado where at least there's sun. And jobs. And gays.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||January 12, 2022 2:22 AM|
The trouble with being desperate to move to Vermont is that after a couple of days you'll be desperate to leave Vermont.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||January 12, 2022 2:26 AM|
Is that you after all these years?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||January 12, 2022 2:26 AM|
OP - Vermont has a lot to recommend it. One thing...the people are really cool and laid back. The winters are cold. The summers are actually hot these last few years.
There's a lot going on in Burlington; it's a really nice city. Depending on what you do for a living, you might seek employment there. There are high-tech jobs as well as plenty of service-industry jobs.
If you find yourself in Vermont, you're not going to find yourself in a situation where life is totally exciting. But I can see it as being somewhere that a certain type of person might be totally pleased to have ended up. Personally, if I didn't already have my local group of friends and family, if I could draw myself away from them, I think Vermont would be a wonderful landing spot!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||January 12, 2022 2:36 AM|
I have a friend that was able to guarantee his job at a big company could stay remote and moved to Vermont from NYC over quarantine. He had a couple friends already there but I’m not sure how close they all are. I hope he’s still happy there.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||January 12, 2022 2:49 AM|
If I could withstand the insanely cold winters and snow (I can't), I would consider retiring to Vermont.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||January 12, 2022 3:05 AM|
R34 can you escort? There’s only one rent.men / prostitution whore working (description below) the entire state of Vermont…he claims to be 39–which means 49–and better yet: he appears to be traveling through…so the entire state is up for grabs.
BISEXUAL WITH AN INSATIABLE APPETITE BURLINGTON VT 1/3-1/7 Vaxxed and boostered w/proof...ask that you are too.
180 lbs, furry lean muscle guy. Outgoing, laid back, intoxicating green eyes with salt & pepper hair. Very comfortable & confident in both a dominant and submissive role. Truly versatile, I LOVE to Bottom and LOVE to top.
A firm, furry, insatiable ass and a perfect-sized cock with a big head that will hit all the right spots. I can be a total gentlemen, providing the best BF experience, or a total pig to help you realize and experience all of your kinks & fetishes. I am great with first-timers and couples (gay and straight)
I have zero hangups about race, age, or size, there's beauty in all of us.
I do NOT do drugs and that's something that can be discussed if you do.
Available for hourly sessions (minimum 1 hr) and for overnights and weekends, with advance notice.
Texting is the best way to get a hold of me.
Look forward to hearing from you.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||January 12, 2022 3:12 AM|
I am in Maine after a couple decades in southern CA. We are moving back to the west coast, OR, in the spring. I miss the conveniences of higher population density and I have decided I fucking hate months of dealing with snow.
OP, Maine and Vermont do not have rentals like what you are used to seeing in CA. There are very very few apartment complexes, and one of the previous posters hit it on the nose regarding the kind of rentals that are available: shared living in a dumpy house or if you can afford it and can find one, rent an entire nice house. If you do not have a job you will not be able to afford an entire house.
Another difference from CA is that the in the New England states generally you need three months rent to move in: first, last, and security. Do you have 3k to move in to a dumpy place? Or 8k to move in to a nicer place?
I have a remote job and can move where I want, I just need to stick to certain hours. I would highly suggest you find something remote before you go but I have no clue what your skill set is.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||January 12, 2022 3:40 AM|
R44 are you at all concerned with what's been happening in the PNW the last few years, with unprecedented and massive heat waves and fires? I also live in SoCal and was considering retiring in the PNW, but climate change has caused me to cross that part of the country off the list. Was just curious if that was a consideration at all before you decided to move to OR.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||January 12, 2022 3:46 AM|
R45 it is something I definitely think about, but not enough to make me reconsider at this point in my life. BF and I both have family and friends (who also left SoCal) in the state. We will be on the outskirts of Portland to start, and also want to check out the Bend area. We will rent for a year and then decide where to buy.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||January 12, 2022 4:01 AM|
Vermont is romantic.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||January 12, 2022 11:05 PM|
It has SNOW!! Unless it doesn't...
|by Anonymous||reply 48||January 12, 2022 11:12 PM|
Moonlight in Vermont...
|by Anonymous||reply 49||January 12, 2022 11:13 PM|
I love that song.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||January 12, 2022 11:22 PM|
There's an Alfred Hitchcock movie, The Trouble With Harry, which is set in Vermont. The movie itself isn't too great...it's dark humor is silly and not his best movie. The visual though....absolutely breathtaking. It was during the autumn, and the leaves are bright with the foliage in the mountains. The quaint home and country store is the epitome of Vermont. The cinematography is the best part of the film and the only reason I'll watch it.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||January 12, 2022 11:42 PM|
I have lived here my entire life and still am awed by how beautiful it is here
|by Anonymous||reply 52||January 12, 2022 11:46 PM|
...quaint home and country store *are.... oops..
|by Anonymous||reply 53||January 12, 2022 11:50 PM|
R52, it’s picturesque, but a dreadful place to live year round
|by Anonymous||reply 54||January 13, 2022 12:11 AM|
I kind of get the feeling that rescue chick just doesn’t want more people crowding her state. 😆
|by Anonymous||reply 55||January 13, 2022 2:08 AM|
The Real Housewives of NYC went to Vermont and bitched about it the entire time: cold af, icy snow not good for sking, grey skies, etc. It was fun watching them suffer.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||January 13, 2022 2:17 AM|
OP, live in Montpelier.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||January 13, 2022 2:24 AM|
OP, have you ever even been to Vermont?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||January 13, 2022 2:25 AM|
haha, busted r55! But, everything I said is absolutely true too.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||January 13, 2022 2:40 AM|
I moved to Vermont once. It was the least friendly place I have ever lived. I was bizarre how cliquish they were. They wouldn’t have anything to do with you if you didn’t have great grandparents buried in the local cemetery.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||January 13, 2022 3:06 AM|
Bennington is an adorable place. Brattleboro is funky/hippie. Montpelier seems to be popular with vegetarians and granola eaters. Burlington is the largest city/metro area... city population 42,500 , metro area 215,000. I remember visiting Montreal and all the U.S. cable was fed by local stations in Burlington, VT. The ski resort towns have wealthy population...Stowe, Stratton, Killington, Sugarbush, etc.Some of the best fall foliage in the country. One friend from California said he was driving along Route 7 and had to pull over to just look at the foliage is was so vibrant.
For the desperate guy who wants to move there, first I would get a job locally in California for some experience, even if it's data entry, call center or the local supermarket. Something that can transfer. You could also save up some money to make the move. Think in terms of airfare or x-country drive (500) rental deposit (3600), food(300), miscellaneous expenses (2500). If you do move to Vermont, you'll likely need a car, a snow shovel, winter clothing (including shoes or boots), an umbrella.
It's also going to be hard to find a boyfriend, or a sex life if you're gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||January 13, 2022 10:26 PM|
I'm European but I fell in love with Vermont when I watched Baby Boom, the film where Diane Keaton's character relocates to Vermont after she gets fired from her big consultancy agency in NYC. I mean how could you not fall in love with all these picture-perfect shots of the little mountains and the little village with its single little grocery store? It turns out it's just a film.
Now with the benefit of hindsight if I had the choice between the L.A. area and Vermont, hey I think I'd stay in Cali for the sole reason that my body just doesn't adjust all that well with the cold weather anymore. I used to love the snow, the rain, the foggy days... Not any longer. That's why many of the people of my country go the Côte d'Azur (French Riviera) when they retire and just as many people on the East coast head to Florida if they can afford it and provided they can live insulated from all the local craziness.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||January 13, 2022 10:56 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 63||January 13, 2022 11:05 PM|
The location troll is sometimes volatile.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||January 13, 2022 11:07 PM|
R62 over the next two decades or so I suspect climate change will render LA semi-unlivable.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||January 13, 2022 11:08 PM|
A work colleague and her husband were murdered at their vacation home in Vermont by a local.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||January 13, 2022 11:10 PM|
seriously, don't move here
|by Anonymous||reply 67||January 13, 2022 11:13 PM|
Unless you're a skier, just move to Madison, Wisconsin
|by Anonymous||reply 68||January 13, 2022 11:18 PM|
R10 is racist scumbag.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||January 13, 2022 11:20 PM|
Madison Wisconsin is boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||January 13, 2022 11:22 PM|
-rescue-chick, what are your go to shopping destinations. For example, regualar grocery shopping, gas (if you own a vehicle), home things (lighting, small furnishings), booze?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||January 13, 2022 11:40 PM|
the internet zw r71!
|by Anonymous||reply 72||January 13, 2022 11:41 PM|
Does Montpelier accept meat eaters, R61?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||January 13, 2022 11:45 PM|
I was quickly scrolling past and swore I read “I am desperate to love Voldemort.” I had to come back for a double take. Good luck with your move tho, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||January 13, 2022 11:56 PM|
I’m desperate to move to Kansas.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||January 13, 2022 11:56 PM|
I’m desperate to move to Alabama
|by Anonymous||reply 76||January 14, 2022 12:29 AM|
I am desperate to move my ass up the stairs to get in the shower.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||January 14, 2022 12:43 AM|
Montpelier accepts meat eaters. It's gotta be free range and locally sourced, though.
There are some fantastic restaurants and shops. It's a nice little town–hard to call it a city.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||January 14, 2022 10:37 AM|
I was once in Montpelier for work in a January. Grim, grim, grim.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||January 14, 2022 1:02 PM|
I would move to the Trapp Family Lodge and sing in the mountains every morning.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||January 14, 2022 5:11 PM|
OP- I forgot how old you are but I suspect that I am way older than you- 43. Let me give you a tale about wanting to live in Maine.
I just HAD To buy my first house this past summer because I was old and it was THE THING TO DO- and maybe it was , based on current mortgage rates- I do not care any more. And at that point it appeared I would be working remotely forever. So let's move to Maine.
I thought I had found the most affordable home I could at some standard that was adjacent to the ocean- in Maine about 2 hours from where I lived (and still live- more on that in a minute). I love southern Maine but that has become pretty unaffordable (on paper, I could buy a pricey home- but in real life, I do not want to be house poor and not able to have fun) And my job is always a question mark- who wants a 3000K + mortgage in this fucked up world?
I did this very fast and felt it was right. Then a week later I tried to back out- it felt too far and the area did not vibe with me when I went and visited again- It felt dead and old. Anyway, I was talked out of it by realtor and I talked myself back into it. Lesson- SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME IN THIS PLACE WHERE YOU THINK YOU WANT TO LIVE. I am an idiot.
A month later- I don't know- a few weeks before closing (These sellers wanted a long closing as they were moving, ect, so I was cool with it) I really did NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE. I tried to back out again, signed the thing to forfeit my deposit and of course I was threatened with lawsuit. Understood. I got my first attorney ever (who incidentally loved that area where my house was), she went over contract and said I was really fucked based on that state's real estate contract. I said how if I offer them another 10K for their trouble (and I would have) She says that I should buy the place and rent it out. Okay- totally illegal and mortgage fraud. Great attorney. (You can do this after residing in the home for 1 year) I proceeded with the deal and tried it out. For 2 months. Moved some of my things- but not all..
Long story short, I kept my apt the entire time (a SHITHOLE in a really awesome, vibrant area where the average home now starts at 700K). And I am so glad that I did. I fucking HATED that part of Maine, I learned a few things about the property (as to why it had no wildlife- it was FUCKED- the place felt like it was on a burial ground to me) I love birds, deer, and nature in general. There was NOTHING.
Yes, it absolutely sucks living in a dump in an area you really cannot ever afford to buy in. But I realized that this is my HOME. And if I want to stay and buy a place in the area, I will need a 2nd job or a new career entirely. I will be responsible for this.
And Vermont was a territory of mine at work for a long time. It is NOT a fantasy land like you think. And neither is Maine. BOTH suck for jobs. The entire state is nothing like Burlington or Stowe (or Portland). Vermont's roads are atrocious to drive on in the winter because of all the hills.
And a scene forever etched in my head- When I called a Rental Management Company about renting out the home I purchased (I wanted them to see it despite the fact that I could not rent it out for a year) The woman looks at me and sneers (with a missing front tooth!!!)
Shit, bitch. Smartest words ever spoken to me.
Next day I called a realtor- He sold that place in 48 hours. I lost around 15K and it was worth it. (It actually sold for 10K more than I paid, but because I only put 12% down and closing, ect- and had to pay the commission) I did not make a penny.
I packed my shit and got the hell out of there in October.
I had to pay rent and a mortgage for a few months too, but the smartest thing I ever did was not let go of my apartment. I had 5 months left on the lease anyway.
Very few things in life are the fantasies I have created in my head. And Maine was the farthest thing from what I thought. Especially north of the Tooth Line.
Tread cautiously OP. And I hope VT is everything you dream!!
|by Anonymous||reply 81||January 14, 2022 5:48 PM|
Great story, op.
Good lessons too.
Wbat city is your apartment in?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||January 14, 2022 5:56 PM|
My mid-thirties nephew moved out of his parents' basement and to Vermont a year ago. He met a woman there in an online forum, flew out to visit her, fell in love (his first time) with her and the area, came back home, packed a bag and left.
He's been living with her, but she just works as a cashier in a local shop, so I have no idea how she affords her place, unless her parents have been subsidizing her rent.
At any rate, he only found a job a couple of weeks ago. He's been living off his savings for the past year. It's remote contract work, so it pays well, but it took him bloody forever.
This is his first life adventure, so it's still a big thrill to him, but nobody but the happy couple expects it to last. Still, he swears he'll never return, partly due to Vermont's beauty, but mostly because he does NOT want to get stuck having to care for his parents in their declining years. Can't blame him for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||January 14, 2022 6:09 PM|
I'm so curious about The lack of rentals in VT.
Why not build more units?
I'm sure the demand is there.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||January 14, 2022 6:17 PM|
Don't do it. Everything's super-spaced out so if you go anywhere it's at least a 15 minute drive. Gets lonely fast.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||January 14, 2022 6:17 PM|
Figure it out yourself you fat cheap whore!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||January 14, 2022 6:28 PM|
R85- NAILS IT!!!! You don't have any idea what its like to be so far from everything- The isolation and loneliness - It is the worst feeling.
R84- New England- especially the pretty parts- is horrendous for rentals. Many of them are in old houses. There are so little where I live where even 10 years ago you could find kick ass places if you could afford the rent. Now there is NOTHING. And renting is massively expensive in VT. For the lack of jobs and what companies actually pay- Vermont is worse than Maine. Just the cost of living and low paying/non existent and/or tourist industry jobs. Its not what people think. If you have a degree in a field with demand- you can probably find a job. But Vermont has a lot of small private businesses- I don't know how normal folks do it.
I think it as bad for renters now as it is for home buyers.
Where I have to give Massachusetts props- There are jobs. Decent paying jobs and a lot of companies. Yes- owning a house is expensive and the rent is expensive- but in Massachusetts- it is at least possible. And fuck, I believe the tax rate is worse in both Maine and VT vs Mass.
I worked with a guy once who loved VT- He actually found a decent job at Cabot Creamery. This was around 2015. The salary (which would have paid 65-75K in Mass- was 35K. He was shocked.
Many people from surrounding states drive to Massachusetts for work. Not Vermont though- Its too far generally.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||January 14, 2022 6:36 PM|
And no joke- as I found it interesting then as I do now.
When I worked in construction adjacent field in Vermont (and a few other states) I learned that Construction Companies could NOT FIND HELP. Especially General Contractors finding good subcontractors. A state with no jobs.
Why? People make money from hunting! And they don't want to work.
I didn't believe this until over a year's time every client of mine said the same thing. And this is 5 years ago. We can't find anyone, its hunting season.
So I am not surprised at that grant link above looking for construction workers.
It must be 10 times worse now since the pandemic.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||January 14, 2022 6:44 PM|
Well, there's a phrase you don't hear everyday [And one I would NEVER utter].
However, I think you should make every effort to go there. The good parts of the country are already overcrowded.
I wish you well in your quest!
|by Anonymous||reply 89||January 14, 2022 6:44 PM|
Damn, is there any good part of the country to live in now, that's not ruined by climate change, or doesn't have housing or job issues, etc. etc. etc.??
|by Anonymous||reply 90||January 14, 2022 6:54 PM|
I never thought that Vermont would be a destination for many refugees. I guess one can find a way to make their life there.
[Quote]For decades now, Vermont has welcomed refugees from around the world: more than 8,000 since 1989, just over 1 percent of the small state’s population. Vermonters have been almost Canadian in their big-hearted welcome of the displaced and persecuted, primarily from Somalia, Sudan, Central Africa, Bhutan and Bosnia. They’re generous donors of furniture and household goods for new arrivals. They’ve taken Somali refugees into their homes to help them adjust to American life. And their schools have stepped up with English-language classes for kids from abroad.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||January 14, 2022 6:56 PM|
r91, that's actually how MY family wound up here! We (well, my family) were one of the first immigrants shipped in on a special program that is still around today. I intentionally live in an area of Burlington that many more recent immigrants live because it reminds me of my Nana. it's weird how regardless of color or region of the world, most immigrants are very similar to each other in ways that are wildly different than long term American families.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||January 14, 2022 7:00 PM|
R90 You must be a foreigner? I'd rather live in the US (with all our problems - particularly over the past 5 years) than any other place on earth. But I won't be going to Vermont anytime soon. I have no desire to even visit. Despite it being a "Blue" state, it would still be a shitty place to live. lol
|by Anonymous||reply 93||January 14, 2022 7:09 PM|
Even over a decade ago there was a lack of contractors in VT. I owned a house in a ski resort town and the contempt for out-of-state non-resident homeowners was palpable. I would have thought it was just me and chalked it off to homophobia but it was pretty much universally acknowledged by everyone I knew needing a contractor. I had a hard time getting anyone to work on the house. The worst was when they would start a project and then not show up to complete for weeks or months at a time. Or use/stay in my house while doing a project. Yes, I had a roofer move his entire family in for a week, seeing no issue at all since no one was there, until someone showed up.
The local contractors mindset was a.) work until you make enough money to get by and enjoy seasonal recreation and b.) work for out-of-staters only if desperate for money. I finally started bringing contractors from NY, paid them and gave them a week to use the house.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||January 14, 2022 7:35 PM|
NO OP DON"T MOVE TO WALMART!
BESIDES I THINK IT'S ILLEGAL.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||January 14, 2022 7:50 PM|
R94- Confirmed- They hated all of folks from Massachusetts/NH as well.
And we had a hard time with our staff there as well-
The employees were very rebellious and hated working (I actually loved our VT crew- their undercurrent of hostility and FUCK YOU ALL) made me like them.
But in terms of building a construction or services related company in that state with the mindset that I saw- No thank you!
Just based on what I have seen in the current states I work in (no one wants to work now- at all) Vermont must be a fucking TRIP.
And actually there is 20 something chick on Youtube who lives in VT and has a blog. She sells really nice beauty products on Etsy. She's making it work too. And makes Vermont look like heaven on earth!
Only Rescuechick, the ski slopes, and the Vermont Country Store are making this shit work!!!! Remember that OP!!!
Actually, OP needs to move in with Rescuechick and start a blog on Youtube.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||January 14, 2022 8:00 PM|
I would offer but my dog would eat OP. for real r81!
|by Anonymous||reply 97||January 14, 2022 8:27 PM|
R8 when describing physical distance, the correct word is "farther." Easy to remember, it begins with "far." "Mike could walk no farther and would not discuss it further."
|by Anonymous||reply 98||January 14, 2022 8:41 PM|
[quote]All the houses sold sight unseen to out of staters at extremely high prices, pricing out Vermonters.
This sounds just like the movie Baby Boom!
|by Anonymous||reply 99||January 14, 2022 9:12 PM|
R98- I love reminders like this. You are a Schoolmarm.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||January 14, 2022 9:12 PM|
Contact Andy Cohen to pitch the new series Queer in Vermont: Rescue Chick and OP.
Episode 1: dog eats OP.
Episode 2: Rescue chick makes stew with remnants
Episode 3: Rescue chick sells OP's belongings on Etsy
Episode 4: OP's mother comes looking for OP. Dog eats her.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||January 14, 2022 10:06 PM|
R101, I have a better pitch:
Episode 1: Dog eats Andy Cohen.
Series cancelled after one episode due to Andy Cohen being eaten by a dog.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||January 14, 2022 10:07 PM|
R88 - it isn't that they make money from hunting. It's that hunting season is such a big deal in certain states that practically everyone hunts. That means during hunting season so many people take time off to go hunting, businesses are short-staffed. In Minnesota/Wisconsin/Michigan factories have been known to close for the first few days of deer hunting season for this reason.
They go back to work after they've had their hunting trip, though it may be a couple-three weeks for the diehards.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||January 14, 2022 10:10 PM|
r102 and r101, you're both too funny! but, my dog wouldn't be allowed to eat Andy Cohen, I feed him only the best 😉
|by Anonymous||reply 104||January 14, 2022 10:20 PM|
R103- Is that true?? That may be exactly right and my memory may be fading. That's even more hardcore to me. They aren't even really making money but getting food. Vermont is gangster.
(I really dug my VT clients) The born and bred ones-They were ALL secret gangstas and hated everyone, basically.
And at my office it was was well known- You did NOT want a Vermonter mad at you- they were the NASTIEST if you pissed them off.
And their Vermont accents (and yes, there is one- its kind of Canadian- but thicker) would become very distinct when they told you to fuck off and die.
My chillest customers were in the maple trade- they were awesome-
Most of my dealings were in central VT and north into (and past) Burlington
|by Anonymous||reply 105||January 14, 2022 10:28 PM|
yeah, we're pretty chill until you piss us off. Then you're fucked. Like, fucking fucked.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||January 14, 2022 10:50 PM|
R106, eww so intimidating. Lol
|by Anonymous||reply 107||January 15, 2022 1:48 AM|
Don't do it, OP.
Winter in New England is like death.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||January 15, 2022 2:11 AM|
It's so fucking bitterly cold today that I packed up my dog and am headed to OP's place.
The deadbolt on my door has actually frozen and has ice built up on the inside side of the door. My big guy was tipping over doing his morning pooh. The thermostat is cranked and I woke up this morning to it being 50 degrees in the house. After running space heaters for the past 4 hours it's now up to a balmy 62 degrees inside.
I have a coughing fit every time I go outside because it's like being punched in the lungs and throat.
of course, being a real Vermonter I am wearing basketball shorts, a fleece poncho and I just put my slippers on because I couldn't feel my feet and admitted defeat (no pun intended).
It's so cold that I actually had to shut my bedroom window. That's serious shit right there.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||January 15, 2022 6:10 PM|
Rescue-chick, from your posts you're either grossly exaggerating because you want people to stay away from Vermont (side note: fuckin' A girl, you're doing a good job of it) or, and no offense intended, you just live in a really crappy apartment or house that is grossly under-insulated or has poorly sealed windows and doors. Honestly, you act as though you're living in a hut in the Arctic circle. I say this with love, of course.
P.S. I love Vermont as a place to visit. But only in Summer or Fall.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||January 15, 2022 6:17 PM|
Vermont has the ugliest people
|by Anonymous||reply 111||January 15, 2022 6:22 PM|
r110, it's grossly under insulated and needs new windows. but, I pay about half of what anyone else pays for a 2 bedroom and I have 2 floors which is unheard of for a Burlington rental. I also have privacy and a yard. But, even people in well insulated homes right now are running space heaters, every single place.
The door lock freezing is common to Vermont and it really is so cold out that dogs have to be carried back in and it hurts to breathe.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||January 15, 2022 6:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 113||January 15, 2022 6:32 PM|
No wonder less than a million people live there r112
|by Anonymous||reply 114||January 15, 2022 6:32 PM|
yes, its negative 2 degrees and with wind it feels like negative 20 degrees with gusts up to negative 40 degrees. There's not a heating system around keeping up with that in Vermont.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||January 15, 2022 6:36 PM|
That’s dangerous r115
|by Anonymous||reply 116||January 15, 2022 6:38 PM|
Well I can see that your dog has plenty of toys on the floor to pay with LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 117||January 15, 2022 6:38 PM|
it is. the news headline (for real) is: frostbite warning, recommendation is to stay indoors '. top headline. r117, he has 2 large bins of toys and I cyle them out so he thinks he has new toys every time I vacuum
|by Anonymous||reply 118||January 15, 2022 6:40 PM|
the white is ice
|by Anonymous||reply 119||January 15, 2022 6:42 PM|
Fuck, you DO live in the Arctic circle.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||January 15, 2022 6:44 PM|
no lies were ever told by me r120!
|by Anonymous||reply 121||January 15, 2022 6:46 PM|
I know things have changed but there are still some things about New England. The further north you go the more unfriendly the people will be especially in the smaller towns. My mother was from the top of NH. I tried communicating with someone from the town a few years ago and they were so cold. I even proved to them that there was a street there named after me in the town and they were still very distanced. My grandfather had always told me I would be welcome in that town but only because My mother's entire family was from there going back to the 1700's. You will find this with small towns all over the country but I found upper New England to be the worst.
I know climate change has changed things but my grandfather used to have to get on the roof of his house to shovel it off every time that had a major snowstorm which was often.. But they keep the roads amazingly clean. I live in NW PA because it is similar but not as beautiful. The only other place that looks quite similar is British Columbia in Canada.
If you go be prepared to be alone for a while until you can meet someone that is friendly and I would stay in a very populated area in order to make friends with anyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||January 15, 2022 7:15 PM|
I was going to say the same thing as R20. It must be like living in Russia.
RC is your family originally from Serbia? Italy? Somalia?
Where did they immigrate from, if you don't mind my asking?
Are you a second-generation American?
It's a cool story.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||January 15, 2022 7:16 PM|
R122 clearly didn't pay attention in R98's class.
[quote] The further north you go
It's distance, so the correct word is FARTHER!
|by Anonymous||reply 124||January 15, 2022 7:17 PM|
r123, Germany (on my Nana's side) and Ukraine (on my grandfather's side). i am a first generation American (first in my family born here). I didn't feel like a 'real' American like everyone else is until my son had a baby with a Mexican girl. Now, we're real Americans, melted pot at its finest!
|by Anonymous||reply 125||January 15, 2022 7:19 PM|
Which city in Vermont is the gayest?
|by Anonymous||reply 126||January 15, 2022 7:19 PM|
Bennington, maybe Middlebury too.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||January 15, 2022 7:21 PM|
Very nice, RC.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||January 15, 2022 7:21 PM|
I just checked the weather forecast for Burlington.
It's expected to get down to -8 today (Saturday), and then slowly warm up again.
But wait until next weekend.
It'll be below zero again by Thursday and last through next weekend!
|by Anonymous||reply 129||January 15, 2022 7:23 PM|
r124 thank you. I sat and debated it but guess I got it wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||January 15, 2022 7:36 PM|
Sun is shining here on the snow in the Rockies, RC. At 8000 feet. 24 degrees. Must sound balmy to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||January 15, 2022 7:38 PM|
I'm sweating even thinking about it r131!
|by Anonymous||reply 132||January 15, 2022 7:41 PM|
Rescue Chick, what are you eating on this cold winter day (I love when you tell us about foods that you cook)?
|by Anonymous||reply 133||January 15, 2022 8:11 PM|
haha, I am working most of the day so I just had french fries with cheese sauce for lunch and will probably bake the other loaf of bread of the dough I made. Maybe do it as rolls and have turkey stew from the freezer. I don't really have time to cook today so I am super glad for the freezer! but, the overtime is super nice :)
|by Anonymous||reply 134||January 15, 2022 8:13 PM|
I was looking forward to expressing some of these sentiments. I lived in VT for a decade. Rescue-Chick has this all covered.
The only thing I would add is how predatory the property management companies are. Be careful.
Also, White River Junction is pretty gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||January 15, 2022 8:20 PM|
And close to Hanover NH, if anyone is looking for Ivy League lacrosse players. Or an Orozco mural.^^^
|by Anonymous||reply 136||January 15, 2022 8:21 PM|
R134 What kind of cheese do you use for cheese fries? Do you sprinkle shredded cheese and then put it in the oven for a moment until it melts or do you buy some sort of cheese in a jar? If so, what kind? I’m asking because I’ve always wanted cheese fries at home but I’m not sure how to make them.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||January 15, 2022 8:25 PM|
[quote]I am super glad for the freezer!
In your case, isn't "the freezer" just synonymous with "anywhere in the apartment"?
|by Anonymous||reply 138||January 15, 2022 8:30 PM|
r135, that's EXACTLY why I tolerate the half dozen icebox apartment issue days. My landlord does use a property manager but he only owns this building (with two apartments) and does it because he inherited it. He doesn't do it for money and is completely hands off. I am extremely fortunate!
r138, I actually cackled!
r137, when I say cheese fries I mean fries that I dip in cheese sauce, not poured over, I don't like that. I make a roux, add milk (and water), add a few inch cubes of velveeta, add sharp cheddar. sometimes I add jalepeno jack.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||January 15, 2022 8:34 PM|
Ugh. I had to do Vermont in the fifth grade for my state report. How am I going to impress with such a boring-ass state? I fantasized about getting Missouri instead. I ended up with only the second highest score because there's only so much you could do to make Vermont fun.
Now I have an ex-college roommate who lives there and it fits his crotchety stubborn crabby personality all too well. He was such a god when college aged though. He used to do nearly naked yoga in the living room. So sexy
|by Anonymous||reply 140||January 15, 2022 8:35 PM|
Rescue Chick - have you ever been to Peru, Vermont where they filmed Baby Boom? If so, have you seen the house that was in the movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||January 15, 2022 8:55 PM|
r141, I have been to Peru- Vermont is REALLY tiny so a Vermonter has been to every town in Vermont quite likely. I don't believe I did see the house and if I did I wouldn't have known because I haven't seen that movie unfortunately.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||January 15, 2022 9:01 PM|
R142 I think you would like it! It’s about a woman who leaves NYC to move to Vermont after she “inherits” a baby, and just about everything said about Vermont in this thread happens to her (provincial people, freezing weather, house falling apart, bought house before even seeing it, etc).
|by Anonymous||reply 143||January 15, 2022 9:08 PM|
Speaking of eating, I usually assemble my dog's dinner on Saturdays (just cut up a buch of raw meat, mix with white beans and either oatmeal or quinoa and eggs) but the meat refuses to defrost so I had to scrounge.. He'll be dining on homemade meatballs, his usual yogurt, a can of tuna and some of a package of... Buffalo chicken rice from one of those envelope packages that my son left in the cupboard. He'll be thrilled but I expect his gas to be astonishing.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||January 15, 2022 9:21 PM|
This thread should actually be titled:
Rescue-Chick from Vermont here. Any questions?
|by Anonymous||reply 145||January 15, 2022 11:25 PM|
Well I posted a few times. May I just add that the seacoast areas of New England in the winter are just underrated and dynamite?
I love the zero degree weather and took a 2 hour walk up the coast this morning.
Its fucking magical. And I would suspect that Rescue Chick can con firm that the mountains of Vermont are also magical.
I do get beardsicles- which are icicles on your mustache and beard- It looks really funny.
Its basically from your nose running and I will leave you to your imagination.
I love winter in New England and its a beautiful place.
Parts of New England may be HELL but not where I live. Its a blessing to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||January 15, 2022 11:51 PM|
r146, I completely agree with you. I don't actually enjoy being out in the snow but there's few things more beautiful in the world than that magical moment catching sight of a sunny, fresh snowfall especially when there's still somehow foliage on the trees. it's like seeing fire inside a diamond.
I am often out in the weather when I have to go to/ from work (less so currently obviously) and it doesn't bother me but I don't seek it out for enjoyment. I love the quiet after a major snowfall too. It's like the universe is holding its breath.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||January 16, 2022 12:15 AM|
R147- YES girl. YES. Well said.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||January 16, 2022 12:26 AM|
Do we just need an “I’m Rescue-Chick, ask me anything” thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||January 16, 2022 1:19 AM|
haha, I am not that interesting and far too honest. but mostly not that interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||January 16, 2022 1:35 AM|
"Hi, I'm Rescue-Chick and I live in Vermont.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||January 16, 2022 1:49 AM|
Vermont is boring
|by Anonymous||reply 152||January 16, 2022 2:01 AM|
OP, if you’re hot and willing to put out, I might know of a summer internship. Just keep your dirty mouth off the Skye vodka.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||January 16, 2022 2:17 AM|
It's lovely, I had a mother who lived there once.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||January 17, 2022 6:43 PM|
it's quentisential picturesque Vermont today. 20 degrees, big fluffy snowflakes, no wind, white landscape. It's so beautiful out today.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||January 17, 2022 7:01 PM|
This is blunt, OP, if you are unemployed during a time like this where most employers are desperate to find workers, you're either lazy or unemployable. Moving cross country to a weird state where you know no-one and seem to have no money or skills is a terrible "plan".
|by Anonymous||reply 156||January 17, 2022 7:03 PM|
Why worry about money? Just hitchhike up there and see what happens. People are always happy to give other people money and to support them in all sorts of ways. You'll probably end up living in a very pleasant house with a view of forested mountains, and you'll eat healthy and delicious organic food. People think far too highly of planning ahead, saving up, developing in-demand skills, etc. You never know what tomorrow has in store, so it's better to just close your eyes tight and trust to luck.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||January 17, 2022 10:55 PM|
R157 truly needs to fuck off and die.
OP sounds doofy and sweet enough to believe this CROCK OF SHIT.
And R157- VERMONT AIN'T IT!!! This ain't Baby Boom, Miss Nancy Myers-
|by Anonymous||reply 158||January 17, 2022 11:32 PM|
OP has nothing to lose. Just do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||January 18, 2022 12:09 AM|
Come visit me, OP!! I'm now the agent of my grown child whom I keep legally obligated to dress and be photographed for publicity in baby outfits at all times, so that we may continue profiting from her ever-expanding meal recipe lines. :)
|by Anonymous||reply 160||January 18, 2022 2:20 AM|
R156 has fallen for the right wing lies.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||January 18, 2022 3:23 AM|
R158 seems to have problems.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||January 18, 2022 8:37 PM|
Uhhh, I lived up there for a decade, and between coal oil and groceries, you MUST plan ahead. All those little hamlets just shut down during certain weather conditions. Also, you can’t count on Foliage Season to make some money to see you through the winter.
How long does Foliage Season even last anymore, rescue-chick? Three weeks?
|by Anonymous||reply 163||January 18, 2022 9:00 PM|
Wasn't this a troll thread from the get-go? I'm confused.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||January 18, 2022 10:56 PM|
You're delusional, R161. OP seems to be sleepwalking through his thirties with no plan and no job and no money. That's hardly a rightwing lie, dear, it's life. Do you work?
|by Anonymous||reply 165||January 18, 2022 11:22 PM|
R44 I lived in Maine and then NH at one time and I’m amazed I survived without being killed by a drunk driver…they could be the drunk driving capitals of the world!
|by Anonymous||reply 166||January 19, 2022 12:53 AM|
RescueChick I'm looking up the weather in Burlington, VT right now and it says -9 degrees F and foggy.
Is that right??
I didn't realize that fog could form in such cold temps.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||January 22, 2022 2:02 PM|
Brutal weather and standoffish people. No thanks
|by Anonymous||reply 168||January 22, 2022 2:58 PM|
yes r167, it's a weird, eerie thing but it happens. I just got up (I of course take the big guy out earlier and we go back to bed) but it's actually sunny out today so I think your specific weather report may have been off for today.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||January 22, 2022 4:59 PM|
Rescue Chick - what food are you making today?
|by Anonymous||reply 170||January 22, 2022 7:55 PM|
haha, I am catching up on things around the house that I have neglected from working the past few weekends. I miscalculated my dog's meat order timing and need to stretch until Thursday so I cut up a chicken and made a disgusting pot of beef bone marrow with quinoa, brown rice and some spit peas and steel cut oats to mix in the raw chicken and eggs. That's probably not what you meant though!
For dinner I am making baked pasta. Penne pasta with ricotta, homemade tomato sauce and cleaning out the freezer of the last small amounts of ground beef, homemade meatballs and loose Italian hot sausage and herbs from my kitchen wall garden. I will throw a bit of parmesan, sharp provolone and mozzarella on top when it's done and return it to the oven until the cheeses are bubbly.
I will make enough for several days because I have so much house stuff to catch up on.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||January 22, 2022 8:09 PM|
R171 Sounds delicious!
|by Anonymous||reply 172||January 22, 2022 8:35 PM|
mine or the big guy's r172? 😉
|by Anonymous||reply 173||January 22, 2022 9:18 PM|
Rescue Chick- You are clearly not from an Italian Family
Its BAKED ZITI, baby!
(Even if its not Ziti)
|by Anonymous||reply 174||January 22, 2022 9:21 PM|
haha r174, I am German! Weirdly, german food is pretty much the only food I don't know how to make really. I did order a bunch of stuff for making bread now that I successfully made plain white bread. I am pretty excited about making whole wheat, multiple grain bread. I am going to get so much fucking fatter though so I hope baking bread is a passing fancy.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||January 22, 2022 9:24 PM|
-11 in Burlington right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||January 27, 2022 8:12 AM|
at least it's not windy.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||January 27, 2022 12:16 PM|
I just saw the thread title as, "I'm Desperate to Vomit." Time for an eye rest...
|by Anonymous||reply 178||January 27, 2022 12:55 PM|
Vermont is one of those places that engender either fierce love or hate. The winter is tough, but the spring snow summer and its legendary autumns are gorgeous. Vermont prides itself, ior it used to before all the Woke Liberals started moving in, on its independence and self-sufficiency. It's not so much unfriendly as ornery.
It's like everything else: if that's to your taste, you'll love it. If it's not, don't go there. Some people like being lady alone and being able to have a cup of coffee without the person sitting next to him start spilling his life story
UVM is a good school and you can check for jobs there. So is Saint Michael's.
Burlington is a nice small city. It's right on Lake Champlain. The winters follow the pattern of the rest of the NE, only moreso. But like the rest of the NE, those winters are getting shorter. This is a La Nina year, so winters across the NE are having a much colder winter than the last few years. The winter gets tougher the farther north you go.
Vermont's health care is alleged to be amongst the best in America.
If you do well on your own but are ready to put in work meeting people (the colleges are very good for that, or will be again one day) are a confident driver who keeps the car winter ready, and can find a decent rental, it might be worth a try.
There's also the rest of New England accessible. Boston is a 3-hour drive, Portland is an interesting visit, and NY is less than an hour flight.
But if you're not experienced in living in the area, you really do have to focus on Burlington. Starting out for the first time in the state someplace like Rutland or Marshfield or St. Johnsbury, would be inadvisable.
Of course there's the south and Bennington, but if you think jobs and housing are hard in Butlington...
A few years ago, Vermont was paying people $10,000 to move there, I don't know if that's still on offer. Worker shortage.
The people I know there won't live anywhere else. It's either your thing or it's not.
But I'd advise making sure you have at least a modest financial cushion when you get there. It's the ki d of place where living cheap and poor doesn't have quite the feel it might in NYC and London.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||January 27, 2022 1:45 PM|
^*spring summer (not snow)
P.S. The speing green is blinding in May, and the thing about those winters is that they enhance the joy in spring as nowhere else.
It's a very double-edged sort of place.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||January 27, 2022 1:47 PM|
Thanks R179, that was informative and nuanced.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||January 27, 2022 3:41 PM|
Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." Take a look at our privacy/terms or if you just want to see the damn site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, click ACCEPT. Otherwise, you'll just have to find some other site for your pointless bitchery needs.
Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads!