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Carré Otis and other super models say they were'trafficked and repeatedly raped' by former Elite agency boss Gerald Marie

French cops are going after Gerald Marie who was married to Linda Evangelista. And she supports the models.

When I lived in Paris in the 90's I knew some of his models at Elite and they all said the same thing. He raped them and a number of them were only 14 when it started. .

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by Anonymousreply 91January 16, 2022 11:44 AM

Here's an excellent piece from 60 Minutes Australia on the subject.

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by Anonymousreply 1January 10, 2022 12:05 AM

Isn't this what happened to Karen Mulder (lost her marbles and left the industry after being raped), or was that a rumor?

by Anonymousreply 2January 10, 2022 2:18 AM

Gerald Marie signed all the big models of the day including Cindy Crawford. He ass raped many of them to avoid the threat of pregnancy.

Coke was everywhere. It was the heady days of drugs, booze, jet-setting, etc. Many of the girls said GM stole their money as well convincing them he had put their earnings into safe Swiss bank accounts and investments

Worse than Hitler and Harvey Weinstein.

by Anonymousreply 3January 10, 2022 7:25 AM

What exactly is trafficking? Are you dragged somewhere and handed over?

by Anonymousreply 4January 10, 2022 7:33 AM

Lol. The French won’t do a damn thing about it. They don’t give a fuck about women.

by Anonymousreply 5January 10, 2022 12:14 PM

Gerald Marie is living in Ibiza trying to lay low, but the Press are going after him. The statute of limitations is 20 years so these big names can't go after him unless the law changes.

However the police are appealing to women who fall into the statute's time frame to come forward.

by Anonymousreply 6January 10, 2022 12:23 PM

Michael Gross wrote about Gerald Marie and his sleaziness years ago for his book Models, Inc. John Casablanca is very lucky he's dead because he would have been Me Too'ed all around the globe and back

by Anonymousreply 7January 10, 2022 12:40 PM

Oh! It's Carrie Otis! Wasn't Mickey Rourke abusive to her too?

by Anonymousreply 8January 10, 2022 12:47 PM

The 60 Minutes piece is very good and it reveals that girls within the 20 year statute are starting to come forward so it will be interesting to see where this goes. I would imagine GM is more worried about his financial discrepancies surfacing than sex abuse claims though

by Anonymousreply 9January 10, 2022 1:01 PM

There was stuff about him in Model: The Ugly Business of Beautiful Women, which was published in the mid-90s.

by Anonymousreply 10January 10, 2022 3:37 PM

R7 Sorry I didn't see your post.

DL should do a book club where we discuss that book.

by Anonymousreply 11January 10, 2022 3:40 PM

I read Carre's book and she told of all of this in it years ago. Gerard raped her and Linda Evangelista was a total cunt about it and acted like Carre went after him and it wasn't rape. She didn't say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Linda fucked up jobs and opportunities for her, she certainly meangirled her in other ways. Glad to see Linda is finally showing a little support

by Anonymousreply 12January 10, 2022 3:53 PM

R8 He certainly was emotionally abusive. Out of jealous rage, he sent a couple of goons to rough up Steven Meisel after he shot a provocative photo of her for Vanity Fair.

by Anonymousreply 13January 10, 2022 4:04 PM

[quote] He ass raped many of them to avoid the threat of pregnancy.

So no douche? What a filthy pig!

by Anonymousreply 14January 10, 2022 4:17 PM

[quote]Oh! It's Carrie Otis! Wasn't Mickey Rourke abusive to her too?

He shot her. it was an 'accident'.

by Anonymousreply 15January 11, 2022 1:50 PM

" Model: The Ugly Business of Beautiful Women", which was published in the mid-90s, is very much worth the read if you can find a copy.

by Anonymousreply 16January 11, 2022 1:59 PM

I admire Carre for being so brave and open about what happened to her. And then they body shamed her on top of that…she had eating disorders too. Traumatizing.

by Anonymousreply 17January 11, 2022 3:02 PM

Used copies of MODEL by Michael gross are everywhere. I’d love a book club thread on this!

by Anonymousreply 18January 11, 2022 3:43 PM

R18 - I wish Michael Gross would do a "Volume II" and bring the story/history up to the current day as the modeling industry has changed sustainably since the mid-1990s.

by Anonymousreply 19January 11, 2022 4:27 PM

R19 yes! I’d buy the new book. The original was heavy with details. Michael Gross is a good writer.

by Anonymousreply 20January 11, 2022 4:43 PM

Jesus, Carre has been through it, poor thing. But her life seems pretty fantastic now. Her husband is a top environmental scientist and CEO of a big company. He also looks like a really decent guy and he's 100% geek cute. Good for her.

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by Anonymousreply 21January 11, 2022 5:00 PM

I really don't like Linda E. She got her comeuppance anyway.

by Anonymousreply 22January 11, 2022 5:00 PM

Didn't Karen Mulder claim she was trafficked by Arabs?

by Anonymousreply 23January 11, 2022 5:04 PM

You can be sure GM raped Linda as well in the early days. In the book Model Christine Bolster takes down "whiney" Evangelista. CB was raped as well, at 15 I believe, but she lived with GM for 4 years because she didn't want to get the sack.

She said coke was everywhere including always on the mantle. GM did it publicly in cafes and clubs off his credit card

Some girls were sent on photo shoot jobs around the world, but there was no shoot. They'd arrive and have to fuck some guy who'd paid GM 50k US for the girl after choosing her from photos GM had shown him.

by Anonymousreply 24January 11, 2022 6:12 PM

I’d bet money that Linda E was somehow in on it -she seems horrible.

by Anonymousreply 25January 11, 2022 6:32 PM

#MeToo is finally reaching the modeling world, and I would say it’s about time. Models have basically no rights and protections whatsoever, and since they start so young, they’re exposed to many sick predators.

by Anonymousreply 26January 11, 2022 6:35 PM

“If modeling is, as one of Ford’s children once said in an unguarded moment, a business of “whores and their pimps” (a nice way to talk about your parents), then Milan is to modeling what Cheyenne was to the American West, an untamed, lawless frontier”

Excerpt from the book. Didn’t Melania start her career in Milan?

by Anonymousreply 27January 11, 2022 6:58 PM

R27 - Which book????

by Anonymousreply 28January 11, 2022 8:01 PM

R28, "Model" by Michael Gross, that's been discussed here.

by Anonymousreply 29January 11, 2022 8:34 PM

R25. Linda was a victim of it just like the others. They all knew what was going on once GM raped them then moved on to others.

by Anonymousreply 30January 11, 2022 8:41 PM

I thought Eileen Ford was known to safe-guard her girls. Was this not the case? Was Lauren Hutton whored out or even earlier models?

by Anonymousreply 31January 11, 2022 8:48 PM

The book is available to download on amazon btw.

by Anonymousreply 32January 11, 2022 8:51 PM

This has been public knowledge since the 1990s, especially with Karen Mulder's case.

by Anonymousreply 33January 11, 2022 8:52 PM

R33, I remember hearing the Mulder story and pretty much every article questioned her mental health and the credibility of her accusations. There were really no repercussions for anyone involved and the story died down.

by Anonymousreply 34January 11, 2022 8:56 PM

I have no interest in primping females who get photographed as they stand and walk whilst primping.

by Anonymousreply 35January 11, 2022 9:07 PM

Don’t be naive- Linda legitimized him by marrying him

by Anonymousreply 36January 11, 2022 10:09 PM

I think you miss the point. All the girls knew what was going on. Many stayed so they could continue to work because even if they tried to go to another agency GM would black ball them.

There were many girls who left the biz entirely. Linda was no different from the others except when she married GM she had his power behind her so she wasn't exposed to sexual abuse by others any longer Plus big $$$ GM gave her the bigger contracts

by Anonymousreply 37January 11, 2022 10:25 PM

In the late 80s - early 90s my cousin was a Ford model out of NYC. They sent her to Milan for a few weeks when she was 17 and had to stay in an apartment with a few other underaged models and two female employees of the agency who managed everything and got them to each booking, arranged meals, etc. She went back for the summer when she was 18 and didn’t get to stay in the apartment with the minders. She stayed in a pensione, like a B&B/hostel with other models with no assistance or supervision from Ford. She wasn’t anywhere near a supermodel level but she worked steadily for 5 or 6 years and said she never felt threatened or endangered and felt very protected in Milan.

by Anonymousreply 38January 12, 2022 4:06 AM

r19 The 90's was the golden age of modeling, but an update would be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 39January 12, 2022 6:25 AM

The trouble is that Carre Otis comes across as a bit nuts and was in and out of relationships with extremely abusive men. At some point we all have to take responsibility for our choices even if the outcome wasn't entirely our fault.

by Anonymousreply 40January 12, 2022 8:17 AM

I used to watch the elite model search as a child (yes I am that gay) and he always came off super creepy.

by Anonymousreply 41January 12, 2022 8:26 AM

It looks like Carré Otis walked into the office of her plastic surgeon and said, 'Make my face look like Carrot Top's!"

by Anonymousreply 42January 12, 2022 8:41 AM

R40, Carre was a teen when GM raped her. That's on HIM, not her. She's not responsible for her own rape.

And Linda E was complicit. She enabled GM to abuse girls like Carre. She knew what was going on and didn't give a fuck as long as she got hers. I'm glad she's finally gotten a clue.

by Anonymousreply 43January 12, 2022 8:43 AM

Glad this scum of the earth finally gets what he deserves. While I think it's great it all gets to light now, I find the mechanics of this kind of systematic abuse fascinating, in a situation where the victims of abuse and exploitation know of each other, so they know they are many against one and no one of sane mind will doubt their claims if they unite. The inability to do so for a long time is observable in people working shitty jobs like McDonald's or abused choirboys who only speak up decades later. A good portion is exploited and misguided solidarity, but I believe that Stockholm syndrome plays a role, too.

by Anonymousreply 44January 12, 2022 9:03 AM

Notice how the women aren't talking about 3 ways or group sex though. There had to be plenty of that as well. It's Paris after all.

by Anonymousreply 45January 12, 2022 1:39 PM

Model: The Ugly Business of Beautiful Women is on Amazon. You can buy a used copy for under $2 + shipping. It's also available on Kindle.

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by Anonymousreply 46January 12, 2022 3:54 PM

I devoured this book as a teen in the 90's. Sounds like it might be worth a re-read. I wish I still had it.

by Anonymousreply 47January 12, 2022 9:22 PM

"Super" models! BAH! There is nothing "super" about them!

by Anonymousreply 48January 13, 2022 12:08 AM

I read her memoir. Otis wrote the encounter was not consensual. Period.

by Anonymousreply 49January 13, 2022 12:15 AM

2009 article on Karen Mulder

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by Anonymousreply 50January 13, 2022 12:32 AM

R18 I’m actually halfway through it myself as we speak! it’s ideal DL book club fare for sure

by Anonymousreply 51January 13, 2022 1:29 AM

From R50's linked article: "It came after Marie was filmed on hidden camera by the BBC trying to give a 15-year-old model £300 for sex, and bragging of how many entrants to the Elite Model Look competition — average age 15 — he was going to sleep with that year."

by Anonymousreply 52January 13, 2022 1:35 AM

R5 And who the fuck are you to claim that? Another fucking ignorant bitch who doesn't know what he's talking about. You virtual garbage. Acting like feminist and the masters of the world when France was feminist long before your imperialist America of 500 years of colonization. Shut the fuck up, you the boil of humanity. As if Epstein and all the girls involved in his pedoland that has the most powerful people in this world makes America better with the women. It's the same thing everywhere. The powerful don't pay for their crimes. Gerard Marie has files on the most powerful people in the world, including Americans. Don't talk about the French as a people, you don't shit.

by Anonymousreply 53January 13, 2022 1:41 AM

^you don't know shit

by Anonymousreply 54January 13, 2022 1:42 AM

Yeah sure, because it is so well known that New York, London and other cities are SO much more chaste than Paris. The most stupid clichés are certainly on DL. It's American after all...

by Anonymousreply 55January 13, 2022 2:01 AM

r51 When is the 1st book club meeting?

by Anonymousreply 56January 13, 2022 2:25 AM

you can also get it on the pirate bay website.

by Anonymousreply 57January 13, 2022 3:31 AM

Good luck. The french are quite chill with pedophilia. rape, racism and they are going to accuse you of being "woke" since it's part of their culture.

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by Anonymousreply 58January 13, 2022 3:53 AM

France is no friend of women:

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by Anonymousreply 59January 13, 2022 5:52 AM

R21 - He's beyond geek cute. Handsome, actually. Thankfully, she wound up with a good guy and lives a good life in Northern California. Her daughters are coming of age which prompted her to become more vocal

It's not often that women go from the ugly and sleazy like O'Rourke (who looked like utter trash even in his hey day) and move to a gem of a man. Good for her. She managed to preserve her soul throughout.

by Anonymousreply 60January 13, 2022 6:03 AM

r56 ready when you are unless someone has already started one! Tons of tea in that book, as well as an interesting section about the history of models/agencies. The modelling scenes from How to Marry a millionaire always made me laugh but I feel that they weren't completely farfetched for the era?

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by Anonymousreply 61January 13, 2022 6:57 PM

Elite model

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by Anonymousreply 62January 13, 2022 9:54 PM

wow r62 im assuming that is Carre? She looks 12 there max

by Anonymousreply 63January 13, 2022 10:49 PM

Karen Mulder was so beautiful, prettier than Moss, Turlington, and Evangelista. I hope she has received the help she desperately needed. I could see this business “breaking” a lot of women, with all the predatory behavior, drugs, starvation, rich men, etc.

It’s been years since I’ve read “Model”, but I think it talks about how these young women are purposely placed in a country where they don’t speak the language, separated from their family, so they have to rely on those around them who tell them they must fulfill their contract, or else they’re fired.

Linda Evangelista had a bad experience early in her career involving nudity in Japan, according to Wiki. She returned home and quit modeling for a couple of years. I naively hope she didn’t know anything about her husband’s rapes, but she had to have been aware, especially through gossip.

by Anonymousreply 64January 13, 2022 11:04 PM

Question: are there any good books about the dark side of modeling I could read? Maybe from the '90s?

by Anonymousreply 65January 14, 2022 12:02 AM

R65 Model by Michael Gross as discussed upthread was written in 1993 or 1994 I believe. Definitely worth a read, lots of sordid details

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by Anonymousreply 66January 14, 2022 12:09 AM

"Michael Gross wrote about Gerald Marie and his sleaziness years ago for his book Models, Inc. "

I read that book! The gist of it was that modelling became one of the sleaziest businesses in the world... when straight men became involved in it.

In the first half of the20th century at least, the modelling industry was run by older women and gay men. They were bitches, but at least the girls were physically safe.

by Anonymousreply 67January 14, 2022 12:22 AM

"I find the mechanics of this kind of systematic abuse fascinating, in a situation where the victims of abuse and exploitation know of each other, so they know they are many against one and no one of sane mind will doubt their claims if they unite."

There's always something protecting these serial predators - other people's scorn for the victim, fear of being ripped to shreds in public for accusing "America's Dad", the power of churches, etc. In this case, the atmosphere of ambition and competition in the modelling industry probably worked to keep Marie safe. No supermodel wanted to be known as a rape victim, someone vulnerable and human, it'd mean ruining their image and opening one's self to attack from all the backstabbing bitches who'll do anything to get ahead, not to mention making powerful enemies! The modelling industry was and is full of sleazy straight men, they want to employ the girls who let them get away with murder, not the ones who prosecute.

Hopefully he'll get what he deserves in the end, but far too late.


by Anonymousreply 68January 14, 2022 12:46 AM

[quote]Question: are there any good books about the dark side of modeling I could read? Maybe from the '90s?

Another book to check out is Thing of Beauty by Stephen Fried, from 1993. Although it's about a specific model, Gia Carangi, it has a ton of dirt about the inner workings of the modeling/fashion world.

by Anonymousreply 69January 14, 2022 1:40 PM

Gia’s story was super tragic. She totally went off the rails. Her family was effed up as well.

by Anonymousreply 70January 14, 2022 1:47 PM

Models nowadays are dime a dozen, replaceable, generic eastern european/russian and brazilian. They also go to Cannes.

by Anonymousreply 71January 14, 2022 3:44 PM

And it's not just the agency heads that abuse. It's also the bookers, the photographers, their assistants, etc. What a marvelous environment for straight men to run wild.

by Anonymousreply 72January 14, 2022 3:52 PM

And stage mothers…no doubt they have them in the modeling world.

by Anonymousreply 73January 14, 2022 5:34 PM

Stage mothers commit sexual assault?

by Anonymousreply 74January 14, 2022 5:54 PM

No r74, but I think that they exist. If there’s parents out there willing to pimp out their children to movie and music producers, why not fashion? What was Teri Shields?

by Anonymousreply 75January 14, 2022 6:17 PM

May I be in the book club, too? I just bought the eBook.

by Anonymousreply 76January 14, 2022 6:45 PM

Fire away here. Let's discuss the book then.

by Anonymousreply 77January 14, 2022 6:48 PM


I LOLed at the Cindy Crawford chapter when she discussed her desired acting career. Also, I don't know if she ever talked about her stalker outside of her interview with Gross, because I've read a lot of interviews with her and it is the only place I've ever seen her mention it. She also implies that one of the reasons that she didn't earn a contract in the Elite Look of the Year contest is because she said she wouldn't drop out of high school. A lot of girls who've been in the contest say that too.

by Anonymousreply 78January 14, 2022 7:15 PM

Crawford was intelligent and made smart business-related decisions. She was valedictorian of her high school and attended college on a scholarship until her career took off.

But her kids with Gerber seem so vapid and charisma-free.

by Anonymousreply 79January 15, 2022 1:47 AM

I found the section on the modelling scene in 80s Milan interesting. The hotel where the models were put up during fashion weeks was nicknamed the Fuck Palace by local Italian rich guys/skirt chasers. There was a scandalous murder of a prominent agent by an American model that was quite the scandale

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by Anonymousreply 80January 15, 2022 2:02 AM

^^ that's a very strange story. She wasn't really a model though was she? She aspired to be one.

by Anonymousreply 81January 15, 2022 2:34 AM

r77 I just ordered my copy!

by Anonymousreply 82January 15, 2022 5:14 AM

r77 I think it deserves its own thread.

by Anonymousreply 83January 15, 2022 5:16 AM

R83 I thought so too, but people said to start discussing it here.

I think maybe we should wait a couple of weeks, so those who haven't read it can read it, and so that those of us who have can skim through it again.

I'll start another thread. I'm booking discussion to start on February 1st!

by Anonymousreply 84January 15, 2022 5:41 AM

I have to put it in my calendar!

by Anonymousreply 85January 15, 2022 5:51 AM

[quote]Models nowadays are dime a dozen, replaceable, generic eastern european/russian and brazilian.

A lot of them are...not beautiful. Not at all. It's really weird.

[quote]But her kids with Gerber seem so vapid and charisma-free.

I remember Cindy's rise very well, and I'm sort of stunned at the way she ended up raising her children. She always presented as the most sensible, professional and healthiest of all the supermodels. I would have thought that both she and Andie MacDowell would have tried to protect their kids, not push them out there to famewhore at every opportunity, especially when they both have daughters with obvious eating disorders who don't need constant judgment passed on their bodies. Of course, Cindy showed her whole ass with the ghastly work she's had done, so guess her old persona was farther from the truth than we thought.

by Anonymousreply 86January 15, 2022 10:58 AM

^Further, that is.

by Anonymousreply 87January 15, 2022 11:02 AM

r86 And lest we forget Crawford's marriage to Richard "Gerbil" Gere.

by Anonymousreply 88January 15, 2022 7:37 PM

[quote]I'm booking discussion to start on February 1st!

I hope my copy arrives in time. I got the cheapest shipping so it won't be fast.

by Anonymousreply 89January 15, 2022 7:38 PM

R86: Models are mediocre now because fashion designers don't want a repeat of the 1990s supermodel phenomenon. They don't want to return to a time when beautiful, charismatic, womanly models were treated like movie stars, when said models overshadowed the clothes and got more attention than the designers. '90s supermodels had enough power to demand and get high salaries because of their public popularity. Designers phased out supermodels by promoting starving waifs and adolescent-looking women like Kate Moss, instead of continuing to hire healthier, assertive women who were like Cindy Crawford and Helena Christensen. They've never gone back. The faces hired went from quirky to plain to fug. If Karlie Kloss existed in the late '80s/early '90s, the agencies would've shown her the door had she tried to model. Karlie can walk and pose, but her face is meh.

Cindy used to be one of my favorite supermodels. Christy Turlington was another one and still is. Both of them had reputations in the industry for being professional, reliable, unpretentious, easy to work with. That's why they had the lucrative cosmetics contracts. No diva shit like Naomi Campbell. Christy reportedly remains down-to-earth, a classy lady who protects the privacy of her children. At the height of her success, she went to college and studied Eastern Philosophy and Comparative Religion. Later, she received her Master's degree in Public Health.

Cindy, it seems, let all that fame go to her head and turned into a Hollywood creature. She lives in the past, frequently sharing on social media many photos from her glory days. She also turned out to be a shameless stage mother, pushing her kids to model at an early age. She once said in an interview (years before Kaia and Presley were born) that she wouldn't want any children of hers to follow the same career path. Empty words. She lives vicariously through the nepotism success of her model daughter, who is generically pretty and bland in personality. Cindy is yet another celebrity who sold a phony image that was more interesting than the reality.

by Anonymousreply 90January 15, 2022 10:18 PM

Watching my mailbox for my copy of the book…

by Anonymousreply 91January 16, 2022 11:44 AM
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