I siffer from tgerapy-resistant major depressive disorder. Recently I heard that ketamine therapy is supposed to be near miraculous in the treatment of resistant MDD. Has anyone here tried it? What about electric shocks? Any good? This is my last hope.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||January 28, 2022 9:18 PM|
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|by Anonymous||reply 1||January 9, 2022 10:26 PM|
I'm in the same boat, OP. I would love to truly be able to feel laughter again, enjoy music again, etc. I'm keen to try esketamine (aka Spravato), but there's currently no facility available in my city. My GP says one is being built, but she doesn't know when it'll be completed. If it opens in the near future and I get to use it, I'll update you.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||January 9, 2022 10:28 PM|
Thank you so much, R2. There is nothing where I live either (I think) but I'm willing to travel, even to another country, if there was any hope for relief. This is no way to live and I'm so tired.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||January 9, 2022 10:33 PM|
I tried it every Saturday night for about 3 years 91-94.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||January 9, 2022 10:40 PM|
I see a lot of medical records in my job, including ones from the VA. I had always rejected the idea of ECT from the horror stories of the 50s. But I've seen several VA patients who have responded very well to this therapy. This was for mood disorders and in many cases, lasted several months after initial treatment. Someone who has severe mood disorder that has been resistant to a variety of drug therapies should at least look into this seriously.
I've seen a ketamine therapy case as well, but the disorder was so confounded by other mental disorders that it was hard to see a benefit.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||January 9, 2022 10:42 PM|
OP, I'm actually going to phone my GP tomorrow to ask about being prescribed either tianeptine or low-dose naltrexone, both of which are supposed to help with anhedonic depression. I can't see her being open to prescribing either of those (I don't even know if they're licensed for treating depression in the UK), but in the off-chance that I get a prescription I'll let you know if they're effective. I'll also ask if there's any update on when the esketamine facilities will be available.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||January 9, 2022 10:48 PM|
I did “ special K” at a club years ago and it was amazing 🤩. Total uninhibited feeling
|by Anonymous||reply 7||January 9, 2022 10:53 PM|
Thank you so much, R6!
Thanks to R5 too, I will definitely look into it, just wanted to hear some experiences.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||January 9, 2022 11:02 PM|
Has Ketamine therapy been shown to help with chronic anxiety?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||January 9, 2022 11:07 PM|
I've had mates that found success with ECT. It did take more than one session. a third had some memory issues but overall, found it helped their mental health.
And professionally, I've seen how microdosing and restricted illicit drug therapy has been effective in the treatment of other mental health conditions. right now in the U.S., the University of Arizona is leading the pack in research. . . tho, mostly with psychedelics.
When I was going through PTSD, being the stiff upper lip type, more extreme types of cognitive and exposure therapy helped; which involved a handful of retreats where I couldn't escape the triggering, which, for me, was necessary part in confronting it and eventually recovering from it.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||January 9, 2022 11:10 PM|
Ketamine reduces anxiety and enhances sex
|by Anonymous||reply 11||January 9, 2022 11:13 PM|
Sharon Osbourne credits K therapy with getting her through the aftermath of her firing and being (mis) labelled as a racist by The Talk.
Before discounting Osbourne, remember that she is a livelong depressive who was already on anti depression medications for decades and has several suicide attempts on her resume. She said the Ketamine therapy worked. Not that she's cured. But she's better.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||January 9, 2022 11:16 PM|
Is it supposed to be administered once (several infusions over a month-long period, IIRC), or should it be repeated? Same question about ECT therapy. Just one series of shocks, or more?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||January 9, 2022 11:20 PM|
You're welcome, OP, just wish I could be more helpful. Have you tried pramipexole (aka Mirapex)? It didn't work for me, but my doctor wouldn't give me a prescription above 2mg a day. There are lots of people with treatment-resistant depression who say it was effective for them at higher doses.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||January 9, 2022 11:49 PM|
Never heard of pramipexole, R14. Will have to ask my doctor.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||January 10, 2022 12:04 AM|
I took ketamine IM treatments for depression, anxiety, and alcoholism. It has been a miracle treatment, and my insurance even covered most of it. You are able to see your life and self from an outsiders perspective. I was able to go back and hug myself as a child in one session. I thought I was dead and stepped back to evaluate my life in one session (but from a very gentle non judgemental perspective). One time a voice told me that I was an alcoholic and I answered back that they were mistaken. I haven’t had a drink in 7 months (since I started treatments). I did 6 initial treatments twice weekly, then two boosters spaced about six weeks apart. I also purchased some troches online to try at home, but they didn’t work as well. It was too easy to get distracted at home, and the troches are not as potent (I was unable to dissociate at home). At home troches are convenient because they will ship the ketamine to your home. Check out Reddit therapeutic ketamine. They have an abundance of information.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||January 10, 2022 12:22 AM|
R16, that post makes me want to try Ketamine. Thank you!
|by Anonymous||reply 17||January 10, 2022 12:39 AM|
Aren’t k-holes a problem?
|by Anonymous||reply 18||January 10, 2022 1:04 AM|
r13 With ECT, sometimes once is enough but most need a series.
With these kinds of drugs...
It's sometimes just microdosing - which takes on a variety forms and practices. It might just be like taking any other medication - some only do it in office, others allow home use or depending on susceptibility as they would with a full dose.
Other times they combine a full dose and usually with guided therapy; something that "looks" akin to hypnosis or meditation, often with a team on standby monitoring vitals and on hand in case things get out of control.
As contradictory as it may seem, ketamine therapy is often used in drug addictions. . . in those cases, it might just be administered via IV but over a long period with other fluids. It's also popular with extreme pain.
on that note, IV therapy has entered the commercial sphere with vitamin packs and fluid restoration. Mostly as the popular towns for them tend to be party destinations.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||January 10, 2022 1:12 AM|
My tenant is going through it now. She was pretty buzzed after her first treatment. Since then, I’m not seeing much difference in her.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||January 10, 2022 1:12 AM|
R20 what is she like in general?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||January 10, 2022 1:58 AM|
Try TMS OP, works a treat. ECT did nothing for me, but everyone is different.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||January 10, 2022 2:10 AM|
What is TMS, more info, please!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||January 10, 2022 2:16 AM|
Trans magnetic stimulation. It's painless, lasts 20 minutes a session without the need to go under.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||January 10, 2022 2:39 AM|
Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation sorry
|by Anonymous||reply 25||January 10, 2022 2:39 AM|
Electroshock is demonised but it does actually work. It's not like you see in horror films.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||January 10, 2022 2:45 AM|
r26 one can find many personal accounts of it - good, bad and beniign. Many books, blogs, videos, documentaries, a few social media accounts, etc. As well as TMS and various other alternative treatments. There's quite a few medical education and nursing videos too of the practices on youtube... if you'd like a more indepth understanding. like a search for "ect therapy" adding therapy tends to sort out clickbait.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||January 10, 2022 6:08 AM|
Interventional psychiatry focuses on researching and repairing brain circuit dysfunction to bring relief to millions of people who have depression or other treatment-resistant mental illnesses. Listen is as experts in the field discuss how they are helping patients by using transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), psychedelics, and more. Recorded on 08/26/2021. [Show ID: 37288] University of California Television (UCTV)
|by Anonymous||reply 28||January 10, 2022 6:10 AM|
Yeah I know R27, I've had it.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||January 10, 2022 6:35 AM|
OP, do you have any particular spiritual beliefs?
I you're open to the idea, I would say try some regression therapy along with ketamine and/or electroshock therapy. Dr Brian Weiss (psychiatrist) has written a lot about it and his books may help you understand how it works.
I have depression and your average anti-depressant works for me, but I also mix it up with regression therapy.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||January 10, 2022 7:01 AM|
I must say that I'm sceptical about regression therapy, R30. I'm sure it works, if it's aligned with your beliefs, but I've read too much about false memories and woolly psychiatric mumbo-jumbo to be able to take it seriously. Still, I hope it works for you and for many other people.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||January 10, 2022 7:10 AM|
OP/ R31, a lot of therapy has to do with the skill of the therapist or psychiatrist leading the treatment. But anyway, if it doesn't interest you there's probably some other way to help you out.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||January 10, 2022 7:19 AM|
My partner’s sister is on Ketamine (intravenous and troches), and it has decreased her depression, anxiety, and reactivity a lot. She actually sounds happy when I speak with her, which was never the case previously.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||January 10, 2022 7:24 AM|
r21 - in general she's fine. She claims she has depression, but it's not like she's moping around wearing all black all the time.
Let's put it this way, I was surprised to learn she had depression.
I don't see that much of a difference. Maybe a little more upbeat, but I never thought she down that much to begin with.
I haven't noticed a change, but she may feel like she's feeling better.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||January 10, 2022 2:01 PM|
My partner started ketamine therapy with Mindbloom. He's never so much as tried marijuana. It's going to take several months so no results yet but he enjoyed the session. No adverse reaction.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||January 10, 2022 9:52 PM|
R35, what did he say about the session? Was it like a drug trip? How long did it last? How did he feel immediately afterwards?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||January 10, 2022 9:54 PM|
ANYONE with long term mental illness/depression should stop looking for silver bullets. They don't exist. There are no miracles. Your brain is like a boat in a choppy ocean. Sometimes the waves will be big and overwhelming. Sometimes the water is calm. You do what you need to do to keep the boat afloat.
Ketamine therapy is supposedly wonderful. Its very expensive but is a once every 5 weeks kind of thing. Try it once. See how you feel for the next month. Don't buy a package or pay for more than 1 session upfront. Shop around. Find all the providers who are in your city or nearby and find the most reasonably priced one with good reviews.
If its something you do very well with and cost becomes an issue down the line, you can get creative about scoring K for your own dosing/therapy. I know a few people in LA who go to Mexico to get it because its cheaper and they know their dosages and that their body can tolerate it.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||January 10, 2022 10:12 PM|
What cities are offering these treatments, and what (if any) insurance is covering it? Not mine..
|by Anonymous||reply 38||January 10, 2022 10:24 PM|
To follow up on my post @ R6: my doctor is very reluctant to prescribe either naltrexone or tianeptine, as I predicted, but she suggested imipramine (aka Tofranil). I'm quite sceptical as I have been unable to find any studies suggesting this can help with treatment-resistant depression. If I decide to try it, I'll report back.
If you can't access ketamine therapy and your doctor is open to prescribing pramipexole, I would give it a try. I know it may seem strange for me to recommend medication that didn't work for me! But the reason my doctor suggested it in the first place was that she had another patient who had severe anhedonic depression (inability to feel pleasure and enjoyment) and it was extremely effective.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||January 10, 2022 10:44 PM|
I found 2 doctors in my city who have done (experimental) ketamine treatments for depression. Trying to contact them now and will report back with news. Thanks so much for all the responses!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||January 10, 2022 10:50 PM|
Blue cross blue shield covers it. The clinic called and got it approved for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||January 11, 2022 12:31 AM|
R36 - I think it was a little trippy for him. He liked it. It lasted about an hour. My job was to quietly check in on him every 15 minutes for an hour to make sure he was okay. He did it through Mindbloom. Had a telemedicine doctor visit for the prescription and then they set you up with a zoom guide who talked him through the process.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||January 11, 2022 6:09 AM|
From a recent NYT article:
And some patients skip the clinic entirely. Mindbloom, which launched in late 2018, is a telemedicine platform whose users get home delivery of ketamine lozenges. The company — among the fastest growing of several services enabling at-home ketamine therapy, like My Ketamine Home and TrippSitter — pairs its clients with psychiatric clinicians certified to prescribe drugs, who determine if the drug is appropriate for them. T
hen other employees, called “psychedelic guides,” meet with patients virtually before and after sessions to process the experience. There are no formal requirements to becoming a psychedelic guide, but most have completed training in fields such as mental health, life coaching or crisis management.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||January 12, 2022 8:26 PM|
oops...what R42 said.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||January 12, 2022 8:27 PM|
Psychedelic guide sounds so rad
|by Anonymous||reply 45||January 12, 2022 8:27 PM|
Best of luck, OP. Let us know how it goes if you get the treatment!
|by Anonymous||reply 46||January 12, 2022 8:51 PM|
I have heard that if you have a substance abuse history ketamine is contradicted. Something to look into perhaps.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||January 12, 2022 9:01 PM|
I have been referring patients with depression for IV Ketamine treatment in NYC. IV Ketamine has been shown in clinical trials to treat depression, OCD and bipolar disorder.
It is NOT a miracle drug, however. I had a patient with severe depression who tried IV Ketamine and ended up suicidal and in need of acute hospitalization. Spravato (nasal ketamine ) is almost impossible to find. The burdens on the providers are excessive and costly. For example, after receiving Spravato, the patient needs to be under obs for 1-2 hours, so the practice would have to hire a nurse to do this, and the office would need an extra room to stick the Spravato patients while they wait the 1-2 hours. Most people don't want to have to wait 1-2 hours sitting around an office as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||January 12, 2022 9:15 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 49||January 12, 2022 9:15 PM|
R5, ECT is an extremely effective treatment for severe, treatment-resistant depression and is very tolerable. It is used far more in W Europe, where the doctors there do not have to be guided by fears of malpractice litigation.
It is not used as widely in the US for one reason: Malpractice litigation (frivolous of course).
|by Anonymous||reply 50||January 12, 2022 9:18 PM|
R48 sounds like the protocol we use for Suboxone induction. But we are a clinic so have the staffing and space.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||January 12, 2022 9:20 PM|
My burden in life is almost unceasing dread/fear/panic/grief sadness. I do get breaks from it, in which I enjoy food, sex, my pets, nature. Life. I do love life and don’t feel like a classic depressive. But I have a lot of past trauma that I can’t seem to resolve.
Can ketamine help someone like me? Can ECT?
CBT and meds sort of help but I’m generally white knuckling through life.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||January 12, 2022 9:40 PM|
R51 I have been prescribing Suboxone for over a decade and in no way is prescribing Suboxone similar to the provision of ketamine in an office setting.
In fact, in my state, during Covid, I saw Suboxone pts via telemedicine: I send in a script to their pharmacy. There is no need for "induction" in 2021. That is a very dated practice. I see the patient, evaluate and diagnose and then I send the rx in. Most bup providers do not administer Suboxone in their office - yes we did that 10 years ago, but not today.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||January 12, 2022 9:53 PM|
R51 are you in Canada or the UK? Because in the US, it is quite easy to rx Suboxone, without a need for an in-office appointment - all done via telemedicine. DEA has approved this, as has my state of NY.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||January 12, 2022 9:56 PM|
We are in the US and have very strict protocols. Glad it is less cumbersome at other clinis.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||January 12, 2022 9:57 PM|
R55 Yes you are practicing according to old protocols. Pity as many will die before they can get to a clinic and get bup!
|by Anonymous||reply 56||January 12, 2022 9:58 PM|
R52 IV Ketamine may help you. You most likely will have to pay out of pocket, in NYC it is $400-500/per treatment and you will need 2-3 treatments for 1-2 weeks and then monthly maintenance. Now the FDA approved a nasal ketamine (that is impossible to find as to ridiculous rules around administering it to patients), so you might be able to convince your insurance to cover it, but you will need medical notes indicating the need for it. ECT has not been proved to be as effective for anxiety disorders, with the exception of PTSD and even then it is used cautiously.
I wanted to try Ketamine before I referred patients for this (this was 14 years ago) so I had an IV treatment with a really great anesthesiologist (BTW I don't use illicit drugs so I never had used it before or even used cannabis). I felt happy and relaxed afterwards, but I was not depressed going into it. It is a slower IV and takes about 40 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||January 12, 2022 10:11 PM|
Thanks for the exhaustive info, R57!
|by Anonymous||reply 58||January 12, 2022 11:04 PM|
Yes thank you R57
|by Anonymous||reply 59||January 12, 2022 11:52 PM|
r52 Why are you asking anonymous strangers on a message board? You are why anti-depressants exist. Anyone with your symptoms should be seeing a therapist regularly, and a psychiatrist to check in every few months. If you lack resources to attain these through insurance or cant afford it, there are ways of seeing therapists at highly discounted costs. The only thing I'd suggest is staying away from the old school Freudian analysis types who let you do all the talking and just ask occasional questions. You need someone to be more pro-active in terms of suggestions and follow up to see if you are taking care of yourself properly (proper vitamins, exercise, sunlight exposure, etc)
You should be trying anything you can, safely and under the guidance of a professional.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||January 13, 2022 12:19 AM|
R60 I am on meds and see a therapist monthly- wish it could be more frequent because it is helpful.
But I am still struggling so much and wondered if anyone in a similar boat was helped by ketamine or even ECT.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||January 13, 2022 12:40 AM|
R61, I will certainly update if I manage to get into one of these therapies but it will likely take a few weeks. In the meantime, why don't you ask your therapist if they know more about these therapies - you could share with us if you like. We are in the same boat. Wishing you all the best.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||January 13, 2022 12:45 AM|
Thank you R62
|by Anonymous||reply 63||January 13, 2022 1:06 AM|
I’ve waited to respond to this thread and wanted to see how the tone played out over time. It seems mostly positive and helpful, so here goes. I’ve recently, starting last October, had 15 IV treatments in fairly quick succession starting with 2-3 per week then tapering to one per week then a couple more spread out every two weeks. I have major depressive and PTSD and have been on countless medications and behavioural therapies since my teens. I got my GP to write me a general referral letter stating I wanted to try newer therapies and was able to get in fairly quickly to a clinic. I’d suggest anyone interested read up on ketamine’s relationship to glutamate. It takes a different pathway compared to the more familiar serotonin focus. It has also had a lot of use in medical and military applications especially in lesser developed countries. So, it’s not exactly ‘new’, Has it helped me? Definitely, yes. I’m in a much better mood and able to enjoy life more. There does seem to be an ‘awakening’ within my pathways is how aid describe it in a very general way. I didn’t really feel the shift fully until after the 7th treatment. Is it a total cure, no, but it is a significant improvement. I’ve gone from a 2-3 mood to 5-6. I’m interested in my hobbies again and being much more social. I’m glad I did it and can always go for a ‘top up’ when needed. Fingers crossed for the long term. Wait and see. The downside is it’s breathtakingly expensive. I spent probably close to the equivalent of $9,000. Where so live, it’s not covered by National Health Service and private no insurance covers it. I’ve not taken a decent vacation in a few years, so my ‘trip’ was down the K-hole instead. Absolutely no regrets. Btw, the experience of disassociation was always positive for me (not everyone though) and it’s complete non-addictive. Keep in mind, it doesn’t work on at least 30% and benefits after only 2-3 treatments is the most optimistic outcome.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||January 13, 2022 10:22 AM|
r52 These treatments are better reserved as a last case scenario. It's not a quick fix. The applications for these drugs are largely a new area of research and we don't quite know the longterm effects among different demographics and conditions, comorbids and health variables. But as prescription drug abuse takes the center stage, ironically, we find an increase in market demand to these substances as the alternative. . . but the pressures of demand may lead to a shortchanging of safety.
Have you supplementing your cbt with peer support groups? if religious, a pastoral counsellor? perhaps a life coach with a specialized background in special needs & disabilities focusing on time/life management and organizational skills? The latter can risk becoming obsessive and avoidant, however, it can significantly reduce stress by creating an ongoing detailed chart of your mental health and helping to integrate it's needs into the demands and responsibilities in your personal life. That helps in being able to give you visual data to more easily identify and navigate conflicts. It can also free up space to give time to crazy. Consider how many people are affected by changes between seasons... so, this has the potential of becoming a roadmap/timeline to help predict future episodic occurrences and build an individual care plan to schedule time or up meds or whatever to try to prevent it or manage the symptoms.
you can add a nutritionist to the mix, an endocrinologist (hormonal levels, more than just T&E, you know), there's a wide variety of specialists that may apply to your individual needs that can help soften your symptoms or give you the tools to manage them.
But of course, if these more aggressive treatments pique your curiosity, then take the time to research them and try to find an equal perspective in reviews/studies, i.e. seek out the negative ones and lawsuits.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||January 13, 2022 11:40 AM|
Wait until people find out this is another Trump drug, like hydroxychloroquine and the vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||January 13, 2022 12:10 PM|
[QUOTE] but she suggested imipramine (aka Tofranil). I'm quite sceptical as I have been unable to find any studies suggesting this can help with treatment-resistant depression
I took imipramine in the early 90s. It’s a very old antidepressant and a very good one, but the side effects are a bitch which is why the entire of class of medications (Tricyclics) are passed over these days in favor of SSRIs. First of all I’m talking about a therapeutic dose, I have no idea if microdosing imipramine would help depression but I know it’s effective for pain management. At the therapeutic dose range you can expect sleepiness, dry mouth, weight gain, and the tendency to feel faint when rising from a laying position. You could also get kidney stones, anorgasma, and erectile dysfunction. On the other hand, it will lift your depression so maybe you won’t give a fuck about the other side effects, like me. It’s also pretty cheap, your out of pocket won’t be terrible even without insurance. Oh and you’ll sleep like a baby and you’ll NEVER be anxious.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||January 13, 2022 12:57 PM|
I'm surprised that so many people on DL suffer from mental illness.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||January 13, 2022 1:50 PM|
R65 You are incorrect about Ketamine. There is a decade worth of research and clinical trials to support the efficacy of ketamine for certain psychiatric conditions. Go peruse PubMed for the clinical trial data. Nasal ketamine went through a rigorous process with the FDA before being approved as treatment for depression.
Ketamine is a glutamate receptor antagonist and yes, glutamate has been a "hot" receptor in psychiatry for the past decade.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||January 13, 2022 3:36 PM|
OK, I got an appointment for Wednesday with the ketamine doctor. Wish me luck!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||January 14, 2022 1:35 PM|
Keep us posted Op!
|by Anonymous||reply 71||January 15, 2022 4:24 PM|
I work in a clinic that provides Spravato (esketamine) treatments. Obviously it doesn’t work for everyone but a majority of our patients have shown benefit, with improvement in both anxiety and depression. At first we had trouble getting insurance to approve and pay for it but lately it’s been much easier to get an okay, and quickly. The company that manufactures it issues copay cards if you have commercial insurance, so cost for the medication is affordable.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||January 15, 2022 4:51 PM|
How much is Spravato out of picket R72?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||January 15, 2022 9:49 PM|
I mean, out of pocket.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||January 15, 2022 9:49 PM|
Around $1000 per treatment and it’s twice a week for 4 weeks, then once weekly for 4 weeks, then to be determined
|by Anonymous||reply 75||January 15, 2022 10:57 PM|
With the copay card it’s $10
|by Anonymous||reply 76||January 15, 2022 10:58 PM|
IM injections without insurance are $350 at my clinic. IM is much cheaper than IV and just as effective.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||January 15, 2022 11:43 PM|
Spravato is a nasal inhalant
|by Anonymous||reply 78||January 16, 2022 12:06 AM|
I live in Kentucky, is there any way to find out if any of these alternative treatments are available here?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||January 16, 2022 3:46 PM|
Spravato has a web site where you can sure for the closest providers.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||January 18, 2022 2:22 AM|
Search not sure
|by Anonymous||reply 81||January 18, 2022 2:23 AM|
r48 I'm wondering about the timing between the patient's taking ketamine and suicidal behavior/thoughts. Like was it a day, a week, a month?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||January 20, 2022 12:49 AM|
I'm in the same boat, OP. Unfortunately, ketamine treatments aren't available here. I wanted to try ECT and was referred to another facility by my therapist, but was denied the treatment, lied to by the consulting psychiatrist about the reason, and then charged $500 for said consult. She informed me that because my MDD and PTSD is due to severe trauma, the ECT would only be 20% effective which wasn't enough to risk the potential side effects of the treatment.
Come to find out, she actually denied the treatment because I couldn't get anyone to take me to and pick me up from the treatments (they required a "designated driver"). My family doesn't support me taking medication and seeking "secular mental health" treatment, guilts me for "depending" on pharmaceuticals to get better, and overall blames my issues on me basically being a "bad Christian" (not the actual words used, but in so many words, that's what I'm told repeatedly).
I don't share most details about my mental health struggles with friends because I'm not comfortable doing so, which is why I didn't ask any of them to give me a ride (I know...pride, fall, etc). Getting therapy is very stigmatized in my culture and seeking any sort of mental health support is, generally, viewed as weakness and only something "crazy and White people do." So, I mostly keep this shit to myself and indulge in distractions like video gaming to ignore the problem. :)
|by Anonymous||reply 83||January 20, 2022 4:27 AM|
Sorry to hear about your situation R83.
You might want to find online therapy. I was working for an online US therapy/psychiatry company (Talkspace which I don't recommend) and I had some patients overseas. You could look for an online therapist in NY or LA on Psychology Today. You can look for therapists who have trained in trauma therapy.
Unfortunately, you would have to pay out of pocket for this, and I know the cost can be prohibitive. You can also check out the link below, the Open Path has gotten great reviews and is based on sliding scale I believe. And many of the therapists are available online.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||January 20, 2022 4:56 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 85||January 20, 2022 4:59 AM|
R83 Just FYI in the US, you must demonstrate failure on at least 3 antidepressants to be considered for ECT. Have you not tried antidepressants at all?
SSRIs like Prozac and Zoloft cost pennies and are widely available across the globe. If you haven't tried medication, then that is your first step.
And finally, ketamine doesn't work for everyone. I had a patient with severe depression and suicidality who felt worse after IV ketamine and was hospitalized. Sadly, he did go to kill himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||January 20, 2022 5:06 AM|
Where are you from, R83? You should do your best to fight the illness. Fuck the stigma and prejudice!
|by Anonymous||reply 87||January 20, 2022 2:14 PM|
R83, where are you from, how old are you, what culture are you from?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||January 20, 2022 8:18 PM|
I promised an update and here it is.
I went to the doctor who controls the ketamine program in my city. He asked about the full story of my depression and said that, before going to ketamine, we have to do several things:
1. Change my meds, as old ones didn't work anymore. The main one of the 3 he prescribed is Wellbutrin.
2. Do full blood analysis.
3. Do brain scan for possible "hardware" problems.
The blood results came in today and it turns out that I've developed diabetes 2, could possibly have brain tumor, have a vitamin D deficiency and a host of other problems. Safe to say it's not one of my best days and I'm very angry at the universe.
Next week I'll have the brain scan, after which I may be hospitalised (the doctor said) but I'm not sure to what end. Maybe for further examinations.
And only after all of that we will discuss ketamine and eectric shocks.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||January 21, 2022 10:41 PM|
OP, I haven't tried it, but taking ayahuasca ended my lifelong obsessive suicidal thoughts. Ended them. It gave me a whole new outlook on life.
If you have tried everything else, then just try ketamine therapy. There's no reason to fret over it. Just try it.
BUT you do need to keep one thing in mind: ketamine without the therapist is not ketamine therapy.
Clinical research demonstrates high efficacy for ketamine treatment of depression and anxiety, but only when administered by a clinician. Taking ketamine without talk therapy does not yield similar results.
There are now online therapy options like the one I am linking here that will order you a single ketamine dose from a pharmacy and treat you through the experience virtually. I don't see any reason for you not to try it.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||January 22, 2022 12:54 AM|
Ugh! I am sorry! I posted the response above after reading several early posts and I didn't see you most recent update.
Get the medical help you need.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||January 22, 2022 12:55 AM|
Sorry about all the scary stress OP. Sending you well wishes.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||January 22, 2022 3:03 AM|
Sending you love, OP, and everyone else who is suffering.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||January 27, 2022 3:40 AM|
Have any of you ever thought that being constantly happy isn't a natural state either?
We go through stuff, most of it isn't great. Shit happens! And then you die
This is the most self obsessed belly button fluff thread ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||January 27, 2022 3:52 AM|
R94, you sound like a real asshole who is ignorant and opinionated. Lacking empathy. Hope you never suffer major depression! Or ptsd! Cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||January 28, 2022 8:56 PM|
Everyone goes on and on about serotonin with mental health but lots of gays are dopamine dependent and have a fucked up GABA/Glutamate balance from drinking and drugs. Throwing a gay guy on an SSRI that takes sex away and doesn’t address the other imbalances is like trying to cure a housewife’s depression by telling her she can’t shop anymore. Balancing G&G will make a huge difference in anxiety and depression.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||January 28, 2022 9:18 PM|