You stupid astrology people are the worst!

You sound like such a Libra OP

sounds like somebody has too much Capricorn in their chart.

Oh, my.

Just because some random cunt uses Astrology, doesn't mean they are fully educated and knowledgeable about Astrology. It's junk Astrology for the mainstream. It's fine if people like you OP hate Astrology, but leave the education and knowledge to us real Astrologers.

No different than the people who use those wands to find gold.

R4 are you saying you can read palms better than us mere mortals?

R6 that's not Astrology.

It’s supposed to be a fun exercise with friends like doing an ouoji board or some other fun party gag.

But the people who believe it’s real and use it as some sort of guide are idiots. These people are dangerous when you think about it.

I don’t care what “level” you’re at. It’s a crock of you-know-what.

R8 trans freaks and flat earth cunts are dangerous, not real Astrologers.

R9 spoken liken a cunt who isn't educated about Astrology as a profession.

r4 no true Scotsman!

Well, at least astrology’s information is formed in planetary facts.

More sense than religion’s bullshit.

I think this stuff is at its height in terms of popularity and out of hand. Everyone is talking about this like it’s some serious way to navigate relationships or make crucial decisions.

Mother darling and I disagree.

Astro scientists are not part of this discussion.

We are talking about the fools who make decisions based on people’s sign like it’s some sort of real thing.

OP complains about astrologists and then four minutes later a "real" astrologist shows up to counter his rant. Sure, this seems totally organic and not a set-up at all.

R16 we overlap with each other. You wouldn't know, because you aren't a professional Astrologer.

Nobody told me when I was growing up that so many millions of people were so incredibly stupid.

Basically I’m left wondering why nobody told me. It would have been nice to know.

And how does everyone manage to feed themselves, get to work, raise a family, drive a car and then think “well, I’m going to decide something important based on junk science and something I read on Facebook. I’m not even going to question it.”

No way does any of this overlap with legit science. Give me a break. What are you even talking about.

Do you have a PHD in astrophysics or are you a High Priestess in tarot reading.

There is no in between.

R19 once again, you've got the mainstream junk Astrology which is a significantly reduced extract idiot version of real and academic Astrology that makes it's rounds more than the education from us real Astrologers.

R20 well you've already made up your mind on what you think you know about Astrology and the overlap, so there's no point in explaining anything deeper to you.

There is no such thing as academic astrology. Unless you mean astronomy.

so, a libra and a leo walk into a thread....

R23 yes there is.

I’ll take astrology people over Myers-Briggs obsessives.

Yeah, someone’s in here playing fast and loose with semantics.

But the point has been made. It is hogwash. And to see so many young people adopting it as a basis of judgment is a disaster.

R27 whatever you say.

Totally off topic, but r24 was redtagged as soon as it was posted as "Troll 5917". I left the thread and came back and she's not redtagged anymore.

This has happened a few other times on other threads (with I think the same poster)

What gives?

“Well, at least astrology’s information is formed in planetary facts.”

Release the hounds!

Remember the days when we had a president who made decisions based on astrology?

R29 Muriel and her flying monkeys are just drunk and drugged up again.

Qanoners are worse.

R31, could she be more smug?

R33 it’s a slippery slope from believing that people are certain ways because of what month they are born (hello! This should be a clue here!) to thinking that RFK is coming back to life.

There is a thruline.

*through line

"...stupid astrology..." Your redundancy is showing.

It’s so ridiculous. I just want to shake these people.

R35 Astrology is a A LOT more than the month you are born in. You are taking an excerpt from mainstream blog writers, instead of looking to real Astrologers and full spectrum Astrological data.

Carl Sagan argued the stupidity of astrology frequently (he also foresaw the cultural and political dangers of technology outpacing the layman's understanding of it). "How could the rising of Mars at the moment of my birth affect me, then or now? I was born in a closed room. Light from Mars couldn’t get in. The only influence of Mars which could affect me was its gravity. But the gravitational pull of the obstetrician was much larger than the gravitational influence of Mars. Mars is a lot more massive, but the obstetrician was much closer.”

Oh, "full spectrum" is more accurate than you know.

R40 Astrology encompasses more than Mars. The 12 houses of each person occupy more than one planetary placement at a given time.

People will believe anything they read on Facebook. Doesn’t matter how crazy it is.

R43 stop looking on Facebook, dumb cunts.

Astrology is like drained pasta, tattoos, and Norma Shearer: DL catnip sure to divide posters.

A little skepticism goes a long way. That’s what needs to be said in the age of the “smart” phone.

Everyone scrolls along like a mindless drone. Click. Click. Scroll.

It’s like a rat in an experiment. Millions of people do this all day. What could go wrong?

On the other hand, compared to religion, astrology is more believable.

Just swap "religious" for "astrology" and "virgin birth"/"burning bush"/"parting of the sea" for "position of a planet" in OP's rant....

R46 it's not the fault of real Astrologers, that people look to inaccurate sources for Astrological education and knowledge.

R47 most of us real Astrologers hate Christianity and religion. Astrology isn't a religion. It's spirituality and science combined.

[quote] DL catnip sure to divide posters.

It’s hardly dividing posters when it’s one moron on one side and the rest of the site against this delusional twit.

Put r4 on ignore any every pro-astrology post disappears.

Is this the same diseased trash who keeps posting about the Mandela Effect and how celebrities are honoring Horus when the pose with just one eye showing?

I was sure she’d be dead by covid by now.

Fuck you OP. How else you going to explain a Scorpio like me gave blowjob to stranger inside my car few hours after my parents funeral?

R52 applauds in Gemini.

I don't get into astrology at all. But the whole earth, wind, fire and water thing. I'm Sagittarius which of course is a fire sign. I can be pretty fiery myself. The spouse is a Cancer or water sign. So yeah water puts out the fire. If you believe that I can sell you a bridge.

r54 it's pattern seeking. while most people can't eyeball whether a couch will fit through their door or the size of a cock just by looking at it. . . they're still prone to try and make rationalize it out., even if they continuously fail.

The mysteries of other people are quite esoteric.

It's much like the overuse of narcissist. The self professed experts of narcissism, especially the children of... are always just bloody mad. They find narcissists everywhere. . . and most often in those they have personality conflicts with.

Yet many of us are taught to speak in the affirmative because the scariest words known to humankind is "I don't know" so, we have an innate need to know, understand and try to gain control of the things around us.

For many, these kind of things give them a semblance of control and understanding... though I'd like to believe most view it as the schoolyard entertainment it is.

I am a Cancer. Like Diana, am a goddess of the moon.

Best song ever

Sooooo...I am a nurse practitioner, and you wouldn't believe the junk science beliefs I have to contend with in patients on a daily basis (Thank you Dr. Oz, ugh) I've gotten very good at keeping my mouth shut and humoring people just to get them out of my face as quickly as possible; after a certain point, evidence has no effect on strongly-held beliefs. Kinda the same with gay boys - I often find that the ones I'm most attracted to physically are the biggest subscribers to astrology. As a rabid Carl Sagan fan, I'd be only too eager to debate them - but I'd much rather get laid, haha. So yet again, I smile, nod, keep my mouth shut - and try to change to subject to more..."horizontal" matters, lol. There is no getting through to these Nee Age people - critical thinking has never been their strong suit, obviously (though it amazes me how many hold college degrees)

*New age

Lucifer is a fire sign? Yas kween.

R48, I know a "real" astrologer. One of my extended family members does this grift for a living (and has done it for some pretty famous people); they earn enough that it's their sole income. This family member is also clinically mentally ill. It's a fraud. There is a lot to feel romantic about when it comes to the grandeur that is the cosmos, but religion and astrology are garbage.

I'm a Libra, what's ur sign bby??

I'm guessing OP is a Sadge. An extremely nice sign, gets on well with everyone, but can really get on her hobby horse.

R19, it took me until my old age to realize that, if 100 is "average" IQ (and yes, I'm aware it's a flawed measure, but whatever), that that means that half the population has a below average IQ. Half!!

That tells me all I need to know about the general population.

Show us on your natal chart, OP, where someone hurt you so badly.

Speaking of astrology, the bitcoin thread was deleted? Not like I care, but why?

Also R64 is a dumb fuck.

There's a sucker born every minute.

They e huge in the 60's and 70's. America loved them.

Anyone remember the horoscopes in the daily newspaper? When I was a kid the paper published this near the comics in the form of a table with each sign around the edge of the piece and a series of numbers underneath that you'd have to find in the word grid to read your message, usually something benign like "3 - you / 18 - will / 12 - have / 2 - a / 29 - good / 14 - day". The even had a special message for your birthday with a few added numbers - words. Sure, we all thought it was a useful memory exercise and my parents used to to teach us to read, so it was all fun and games and no one took the predictions seriously... and then Ronald Reagan was elected and we soon discovered that blowjob Nancy was having an astrologer advise the president on important matters. It was then we knew that it was all down hill from there.

[quote] It's fine if people like you OP hate Astrology, but leave the education and knowledge to us real Astrologers.

Which program do you recommend? I have a BA, but I'd like to pursue an advanced degree in astrology.

James Randi is so underrated.

R71 = Mic Drop

Someone please slap this moron who keeps capitalizing astrology.

My pussy was destined to stink.

The stars foretold my fate.

Or at least my lack of basic hygiene. They weren't that specific.

No more falsehoods or derisions, OP.

I'd say that you've had Scorpio in Uranus.

More than one, I'd wager.

I am a double Sagittarius.

I will cut a bitch.

Astrology was an ancient science now pseudoscience. It evolved into real science which is Astronomy. Alchemy was also an ancient science that became Chemistry. If you believe in astrology then you believe you can turn lead into gold.

R70. I am not recommending such, but note:

[quote]Kepler College is the main institution offering degrees in Astrological Studies. Also the California institute of integral studies… i.e. courses taught by Rick Tarnas especiall…

Kepler College in Seattle.

[quote]Kepler College (formerly Kepler College of Astrological Arts and Sciences) is an online certificate program for the study of astrology.Based out of Seattle, Washington, U.S., it is named after the mathematician and astronomer Johannes Kepler (1571–1630). (Wikipedia)

[quote]Kepler College was founded in 2000 as an unaccredited institution of higher learning that was authorized to grant degrees from 2000 until 2010 by the Higher Education Coordinating Board of Washington State. Its programs were based in the liberal arts and it offered degrees in astrological studies with a focus on the history of astrology. Since 2010, students have been awarded certificates of completion of a course of study instead of degrees. (Wikipedia)

I don't want to learn about the history of astrology. I want to learn to do astrology. If you were a true astrologer you could have read my mind and would have known this.

Yes, Op, of all the worst things in the world to rant about, astrologists are THE worst. Got it.

[quote]You stupid astrology people are the worst!

I could have predicted you would say this OP.

Does anybody remember a couple of years back when it was discovered that the positions of planets in the solar system were off?

It made all this already dubious "science" a flat out farce. Pure bunk.

R81 you sound stupid. The history and understanding of astrology is ingrained with the alleged capabilities to do "readings".

Same r77

Come sit next to me, R77.

[quote] [R81] you sound stupid. The history and understanding of astrology is ingrained with the alleged capabilities to do "readings".

I sense that you do not know what you're talking about. You are most certainly a Leo.

R78

But what of the fabled transmutation of lead to gold? It is indeed possible—all you need is a particle accelerator, a vast supply of energy and an extremely low expectation of how much gold you will end up with.

R58: I tend to get along well with medical pros. Hell I've even had few admit things to me that I was stunned by. However MDs they can be hit or miss. One I wanted to strangle, another I only wish did private practice because he was that good of an MD.

It's a cute diversion, but any guy that takes it seriously is a total dick wilter and usually a fucking idiot.

[R80], as if Seattle isn't fucking horrific enough, thank you.

It is a sin to follow your horoscope because only God knows the future and He won't tell us.

Also, we can tell horoscopes are false because according to astrology, Christ would have been a Capricorn, and Capricorn people are cold, ambitious and attracted to Scorpio and Virgo, and we know that Christ was warm, loving, and not attracted to anybody.

If anything, astrology should be based on date of conception, not date of birth. There are premature babies, babies that want to stay in too long and the doctor induces labor, etc.

Agree that it seems dumb to believe in astrology.

Astrology is fun to ponder NOT to live by.

You know something is dumb as fuck when mostly women and fem gay men are into it

I'd rather hang with an astrologer than a christian any day

....

It seems victimless or am I wrong?

As an adherent of reconstructionist local Paganry and rural folklore, it irks me that others often erroneously judge my chosen cultural faith path based on what a passel of Nu Age loons (usually wealthier, urbane, and bored living in their protective enclaves) elect to do with their precious minds and time.

Can’t tell you how many obsessive toxically-positive twits, on finding out that I practise Paganism (or try my best to, anyway), have cornered me before now in order to rhapsodise about natal astrology (based on inert outdated snapshots of an active and ever-changing cosmos....), crystal healing (fracking for those gaudy stones needlessly damages the earth, don’t buy into it), Tarot (a parlour game used by gypsies to con folks out of a few coins, and a clever way to seal Pagan lore away Mother Church inside a harmless leisure activity), and various other inane GOOPy ideas.

Yes, I do have a strong affinity for and belief in ancient Gods and spirits, as well as in supernatural ancestral lore and stories from my place of origin, and I’m sure many people find that laughable. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I therefore believe in trendy popular belief systems and pseudo-magicks.

The worst and latest development of all is seeing my local Woo shops (run by Lululemon moms, of course) selling runestones & staves to normies, I.e. people who don’t have a deep understanding of what they’re for or what they mean. If someone isn’t invested in knowing the cultural and historical context from which the magick they’re messing with comes, that is asking for a whole lot of trouble.

[quote] according to astrology, Christ would have been a Capricorn

One astrologer I saw in my misguided emo teen years freaked when looked at my natal chart, because apparently both myself and the Antichrist (whoever or whatever that is) share a very similar chart (Aquarius with a lot of 12th house planets). I was amused, not to mention surprised and disappointed that an astrologer would be all that concerned by Xtian scaremongering. This astrologer couldn’t even answer my question about how and why the Antichrist has a natal chart in the first place—isn’t the whole threat that one doesn’t know where an Antichrist will pop up?

[quote] Does anybody remember a couple of years back when it was discovered that the positions of planets in the solar system were off?

R84 was that to do with the discovery of the new planet Ophiucus, that threw off the order and angles of the solar system model? Or was that a whole different thing?

Technically, the signs we currently adhere by ought to move one sign back to be accurate and make room for Ophiucus (under which sign Scorpio people now fall) or so I’m told.

[quote] astrology should be based on date of conception, not date of birth. There are premature babies, babies that want to stay in too long and the doctor induces labor, etc.

This has often stymied me, as well. I had a disabled sister (now dead), born with cerebral palsy/a crushed head due to negligent delivery, and as her labour was so long and arduous and involved so much unnatural intervention I don’t think a natural birth time could reasonably be attained. In fact, my poor mom spent the better part of a full night & day undergoing medical horror and trauma to deliver my sister, so even her birthday was a little uncertain. Her natal sun sign and outer planets can be gleaned, but her moon sign, ascendant sign (the ‘horizon line’ in the cbart) and ‘inner’ planets (the small fast-moving ones closer to the sun) cannot. I’m sure this is sadly the case with many babies.

And what about people of an older pre/wartime generation, who do not have accurate and detailed birth records? Or those people originating from poor or deprived backgrounds who do not have access to that kind of information? Astrology does not account for privilege!

So many people have been duped into paying "astrologer matchmakers" to set people up.

I have a twin brother. We were born one minute apart. We are fraternal. We are so vastly different in personality, appearance and intelligence that people wouldn't even pick us for brothers. We've also had vastly different life experiences. You can't tell me that one minute of time has made all the difference if you apply astrology to our bithcharts.

Princess Diana had an astrologer

We are made of stars. So I think Astrology is cool/interesting.

Do I live my life by it? Fuck no.

But I think it has some minimal validity.

R104 She was a kooky Cancer. We aren’t right in the head.

“But I think it has some minimal validity.”

Can you give an example?

I’m trying to get some insight here.

Can you give us some insight r105 or perhaps the person who ww’d your post. Trying to learn what is valid about astrology? Either of you two care to educate?

TIA

R103 but you haven’t accounted for transits!!!! And latitudinal astrology!!! And your Draconic and Vedic natal charts!!!!

I want a bithchart r103.

BeCaUSe wE is MAde Of StaRDuSt, R109!

R11 Cancer sun, Aries rising, Capricorn moon. I am an aggressive kooky cancer!

Gen Z please let an old creaky bitch know—do you view astrology as a cringey passé stereotypical Millennial thing, like being a Harry Potter fan or liking overpriced coffee or wearing skinny jeans & Converse? Or is astrology equally big or bigger with the current youth/teen/College generation?

If this link works I can show people their charts.

R113. I would never describe a cancer with a moon is serious capricorn as kooky but maybe you are trying to present yourself as unthreatening?

*in*

R116 hmmm interesting🤔I have a massive natal Capricorn stellium in the 12th house (six planets plus a few asteroids, with Saturn rising, and disposited by Uranus I think?), and people who don’t know me well usually do take me to be a very serious, sarcastic, dour, and boring person. Sometimes, I have been shocked and tickled to find out what people wrongly assume I’m like—one even told me once that he was “terrified” of me, because he thought the way I spoke was too harsh and I seemed like I hated everyone. Socialising with my inner circle, however, I’m a very optimistic, breezy and rather jocular type who prefers to be encouraging to others (Aqua Sun/Libra Moon could be the culprit for that?), and this usually comes as a shock to those who first befriend me. 12th house natives are said to be misconceived as default, so maybe that’s the issue😔

R118 Aquarius is a fixed sign ruled by Saturn so with your Saturn rising as well I'm not surprised first impressions are "dour". However, if you are blunt and "terrifying" it sounds like the Uranian energy is at work. "The modern association between Aquarius and Uranus has given this sign an exaggerated reputation for being rebellious, anti-social, perverse, eccentric and emotionally unstable. All of these negative forms of behaviour arise as extreme manifestations in individuals that have yet to find their centre. Anyone who is naturally inclined to care about the interests of social welfare will face their shadow in a world of political frustration where they are confronted with the mirror of their own anger and disappointment. " (Skyscript)

The stellium in the 12th is daunting. I don't know what "misconceived" means in this context but planets in the 12th can be described as stuck and not able to express their nature well. But you really have to see the entire chart to know how it's manifesting. Aquarians are great BTW, I love their intellectual approach to life and their lack of bigotry and prejudice.

“ (Aqua Sun/Libra Moon could be the culprit for that?”

Yeah. Sure. That’s what it is.

R118/119 ought to be burned in the square.

[quote] The fault lies in my astrology.

—Kit Marlowe, glad I’m dead

Ascendants used to be highly important for casting the horoscope and were replaced by sun signs when the daily papers started printing them.

I prefer my Vedic chart. It's all about the lagna.

OP you sound like an earth sign.

Obviously OP you're a Cancer.

R123 yes, I prefer Vedic in some ways. Has a bit more razzle-dazzle about it.

Being a Chitra Nakshatra person is so glam!

There are elements of astrology that are fascinating. I think this idea of Pluto's return happening right now, when the world is a dumpster fire, and the fact that it hasn't had a return since the American Revolutionary war is intriguing.

In my personal life, it all just goes over my head. I don't care enough to see how it might affect me personally. Astrologers and psychics who give out financial advice to people who aren't very bright really piss me off. There's a ton of grift with this sort of work.

Lick my urANUS, OP.

R119/R123 well then, you’re gonna love me—I’m a Rising Sun person (ascendant+sun conjunction in natal)!!!

^^in AQUARIUS I meant to say 💧

R125 No way OP is a Cancer! Cancers love astrology and are proud of their sign.

I still get a thrill when I get a reading from Tarot cards. There must be some kind of energy exchange between the reader and readee. I’m not saying that they predict things, but it reframes thoughts.

It’s fun to read the daily horoscope—I like the Astro Twins. But it’s not like I plan my life around it, given that I usually forget it five minutes later.

Gen Z gays (all a bunch of nelly housewives) love that stupid crap. Gay black guys are totally obsessed with it as well.

It's easy to follow pseudoscience for chuckleheads!

R134). Wow - you’re so much better than the rest of us. I’m surprised you even took the time to comment here. You must be in such demand in smarter venues.

Most people don't have a clue about astrology. And most don't know much about the scientific method either. But it has become custom among the know-it-alls to speak as if they were experts on just about anything, with ignorance being no impediment. And superficial information in the media just makes it worse. This thread is full of examples.

I could almost give it a pass if the folks were actually making the argument that the celestial positions, time of year, and position of the sun, moon, and other planets influenced the gravitational fields surrounding the earth.

In turn, like the circadian rythym that evolved with us due to the diurnal cycle, I could see someone arguing that the fluctuating gravitational fields arising from the position of the various celestial bodies influenced how we evolved and continues to influence people based on the time of year.

While all of that is ridiculous, it's at least an attempt to justify the belief due to natural and known phenomenon.

R137 Actually astrologers do attempt to make those arguments, often using quantum physics theories:

So any chunk of matter can also occupy two places at once. Physicists call this phenomenon "quantum superposition," and for decades, they have demonstrated it using small particles. But in recent years, physicists have scaled up their experiments, demonstrating quantum superposition using larger and larger particles.

The study of the natural world vis a vis quantum physics is a madhouse.