Elagabalus: History''s most powerful and voracious bottom
* The young Roman emperor was openly and voraciously homosexual - and exclusively a predatoty botton
* Scoured the known world for men with giant penis who would be brought to Rome to service him
* Married sexy gladiators
* Turned the palace into a brothel and performed as a prostitute
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 488 | December 25, 2022 11:11 AM
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Intriguing. Tell me more. I also understand Romulus Augustulus was a hot dish until he was deposed when he passed peak ripeness.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | January 7, 2022 1:27 AM
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Cassius Dio informs us:
"...he would go to taverns by night wearing a wig, and there ply the trade of a female prostitute. He frequented the notorious brothels, drove out the prostitutes and played the prostitute himself. he finally set a aside a room in the palace, and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room...while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers by."
by Anonymous | reply 2 | January 7, 2022 1:32 AM
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I think Madeline Kahn played him...
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 3 | January 7, 2022 1:34 AM
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“... he took lust in every orifice of his body, sending out agents in search of men with large penises to satisfy his passions… The size of a man’s organ often determined the post he was given."
by Anonymous | reply 5 | January 7, 2022 1:37 AM
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WTF! He became a whore/emperor at 14????
by Anonymous | reply 6 | January 7, 2022 1:39 AM
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He's mentioned in the Modern Major-General song of Gilbert & Sullivan (as Heliogabalus) but Gilbert didn't mention any of THAT!
"I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus,
In conics I can floor peculiarities parabolous;"
by Anonymous | reply 7 | January 7, 2022 1:41 AM
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This was an agreed upon plank of his administration. It challenges the conservative conformity of the second tier gay leaders of today.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | January 7, 2022 1:42 AM
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He conquered Ibiza at 16.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | January 7, 2022 1:44 AM
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I would rather have my leaders doing this than playing golf all the time.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | January 7, 2022 1:44 AM
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Hot!
What a whore.
He would have given Aaron Carter some competition.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | January 7, 2022 1:46 AM
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[quote] "I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus, In conics I can floor peculiarities parabolous;"
That sounds like a cock and a bull story.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | January 7, 2022 1:46 AM
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[quote] Scoured the known world for men with giant penis
Get in line, bitch.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | January 7, 2022 1:48 AM
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[quote]Elagabalus: History's most powerful and voracious bottom
And clearly, an early DLer
by Anonymous | reply 14 | January 7, 2022 1:50 AM
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I think she's TREMENDOUS!
by Anonymous | reply 15 | January 7, 2022 1:51 AM
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He's just a hero. There's no other way to describe him.
He's a hero and I hope he's some sort of spirit guide for me as I make my way through the world.
A hero.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | January 7, 2022 2:02 AM
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He was assassinated because he was an Arab slut who gobbled all the massive cocks in Rome. No sharing, of course.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | January 7, 2022 2:22 AM
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Elagabalus, if he were alive today...
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 18 | January 7, 2022 2:31 AM
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[quote] "“... he took lust in every orifice of his body, sending out agents in search of men with large penises to satisfy his passions… The size of a man’s organ often determined the post he was given."
Here's the thing... I'm no size queen, but when I imagine being able to have whoever I fancy, at any given moment... it's incredibly erotic. They'd have to be willing of course. Rape isn't a turn-on.
I sometimes have a lucid dream in which I'm walking down a city sidewalk in broad daylight, surrounded by attractive men. Because I know I'm dreaming, I just start ripping their pants off, and blowing/rimming them right then & there, simply to satisfy my own pent-up lust.
I could stand to get laid a little more often, yes... but this has been my favorite dream for years now. It's odd. I'm not a slut, nor an exhibitionist...but I love being both during that dream.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | January 7, 2022 2:38 AM
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Trivia: he is known as both Elagabalus and Heliogabalus, variations on the same name. He chose the name Marcus Aurelius Antoninus when he became Emperor, so also Antoninus for short. Elagabalus was a variation on the name of a god he had worshiped as as a youth in Syria. How he became a Roman Emperor as an Arab I don't remember but I think he was a former Emperor's cousin or something. I'm sure the details are on WP or google.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | January 7, 2022 2:43 AM
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Given that having a large penis was considered vulgar, I question the entire story.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | January 7, 2022 2:46 AM
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He also married a Vestal Virgin.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | January 7, 2022 2:46 AM
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Don't be stealing my act, bitch!
by Anonymous | reply 23 | January 7, 2022 2:51 AM
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If he were alive today, he'd wear a turquoise belt, decorate his palace in the style of Downton Abbey, and hire a private photographer.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | January 7, 2022 2:52 AM
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Why wouldn't he want the biggest? If he was into small ones he could grab any guy who had all of his fingers. Then, one nub plus ten fingers. This guy wanted plowed not poked.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | January 7, 2022 3:24 AM
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He was assassinated at 18, which means he got all this whoring and multiple marriages done in a span of about four years. Putting all you bitches to shame.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | January 7, 2022 3:39 AM
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This man was truly living life!
I'm taking it upon myself to crown Elagabalus the Supreme DL Icon.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | January 7, 2022 3:42 AM
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In other news, Mariah Carey just gave birth to twins and named them Elagabalus and Heliogabalus.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | January 7, 2022 3:47 AM
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Elagabalus was said to have been captivated by the blond and youthful Hierocles when the athlete fell in front of him during a chariot race. The Emperor made him his lover and husband, and consequently, Hierocles was alleged to have gained significant political influence. Hierocles banished the Emperor's other lover, Zoticus, and inflicted physical violence upon Elagabalus when the latter was unfaithful.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | January 7, 2022 5:23 AM
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"Given that having a large penis was considered vulgar, I question the entire story."
He did many, many things that were against convention including breaking major religious taboos and parading in drag. He was from the provinces and that led him to offending people and attacking convention on many levels. Everything about him was vulgar and obscene.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | January 7, 2022 5:30 AM
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How come you all praise him when he does it yet you make fun of me? Hypocrites.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | January 7, 2022 5:40 AM
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See? If I had been born 2000 years ago I would have been Emperor.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | January 7, 2022 5:41 AM
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Christian propaganda to make pagan Rome look bad and immoral.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | January 7, 2022 5:48 AM
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[quote] Given that having a large penis was considered vulgar...
I think that was in Greece, R21, not Rome.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | January 7, 2022 6:00 AM
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So now I unw75 load twitter guy
by Anonymous | reply 40 | January 7, 2022 6:08 AM
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R27: Even if he does put me to shame. I'll still tip my hat to him.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | January 7, 2022 6:18 AM
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[quote]whore/emperor
That was an option?! FML!
by Anonymous | reply 42 | January 7, 2022 6:22 AM
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Big dicks may have been in and out of fashion but they have never, ever been out of favor.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | January 7, 2022 6:24 AM
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[Quote] he got all this whoring and multiple marriages done in a span of about four years.
He whored at the peak of his testosterone production.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | January 7, 2022 6:52 AM
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They should really make a movie about Elagabalus. It would be epic!
by Anonymous | reply 46 | January 7, 2022 6:55 AM
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He was living the datalounge dream.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | January 7, 2022 7:41 AM
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One anecdote is that he had his dinner guests showered in rose petals - until they suffocated - so you better not accept his invitations for dinner, no matter how tempting. There is also an opera about him by Francesco Cavalli (Heliogabalus/Eliogabalo).
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 48 | January 7, 2022 9:16 AM
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47 answers in an none of you mention that he wanted to transition and asked his physicians to cut him a vayjay? He was also murderous and violent. A proto Silvia Riviera.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | January 7, 2022 9:38 AM
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So he was sort of the prototype of the average DLer?
by Anonymous | reply 50 | January 7, 2022 9:45 AM
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He did allegedly offer half the empire to any surgeon who could supply him a functioning vagina.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | January 7, 2022 11:05 AM
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OPs bust photo is smelling cookies.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | January 7, 2022 11:26 AM
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He didn't "marry" that Vestal Virgin, he violently raped her and then pronounced that they were married.
He also subjected infants to rituals involving his deified phallus that often killed them.
I like a man who knows what he wants and takes it, but really....
by Anonymous | reply 53 | January 7, 2022 11:56 AM
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He had a hot ass but he could not live forever .
by Anonymous | reply 55 | January 7, 2022 11:58 AM
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Who should be cast in the biopic?
by Anonymous | reply 57 | January 7, 2022 12:10 PM
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They should make a miniseries about the entire Severan dynasty. Nothing but intrigue, extreme violence, murder, fratricide, nasty men, strong women, sexual excess, and great architecture . Caracalla, who murdered a couple of thousand five Alexandrian youths, was cut down when taking a shit. They made up the story that Elegabal, who was very handsome, was his son.This is when the Roman empire stated to go downhill.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | January 7, 2022 12:13 PM
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"Who should be cast in the biopic?"
That twink from Dune.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | January 7, 2022 12:17 PM
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[quote] always standing nude at the door of the room...while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers by.
This could have happened last night at Steamworks.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | January 7, 2022 12:25 PM
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Gross emperor. That’s no way to act as such a powerful leader.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | January 7, 2022 12:37 PM
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@r24, "If he were alive today, he'd wear a turquoise belt, decorate his palace in the style of Downton Abbey, and hire a private photographer. "
I got that reference, bitch...
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 62 | January 7, 2022 12:39 PM
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@r34, "He was from the provinces and that led him to offending people and attacking convention on many levels. Everything about him was vulgar and obscene. "
In other words a trailer-trash MAGAt faggot
Got it
by Anonymous | reply 63 | January 7, 2022 12:43 PM
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Thanks DL. I genuinely laughed out loud at a lot of these.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | January 7, 2022 12:45 PM
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He wasn't a MAGAT, a follower of Trump. He was a Trump himself.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | January 7, 2022 12:46 PM
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naturally, some queen in the 17th century wrote an opera about him
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 66 | January 7, 2022 12:49 PM
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[quote]This is when the Roman empire stated to go downhill.
Fuck you, R58
by Anonymous | reply 67 | January 7, 2022 12:51 PM
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This bitch was always trying to steal my swagger
by Anonymous | reply 68 | January 7, 2022 12:55 PM
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[quote]He conquered Ibiza at 16.
That explains so much.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 69 | January 7, 2022 1:00 PM
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Hollywood would make him straight with occasional trysts with men. No thanks! Hollywood would ruin him.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | January 7, 2022 1:04 PM
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[quote]He also married a Vestal Vergin.
Ohhhhhh, the Devil IS a liar! 70 replies, and no mention of your old DL icon?
I'm praying for you, R22, I pray for all the very heterosexual NONgays in my music ministry.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 71 | January 7, 2022 1:12 PM
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Does he have “an” OnlyFans?
by Anonymous | reply 72 | January 7, 2022 1:18 PM
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That sculpture bears a striking resemblance to - wait for it - Elijah Wood. Heh.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | January 7, 2022 2:38 PM
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R38, most of this is from Cassius Dio who was not a Christian.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | January 7, 2022 5:25 PM
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Actually a lot of it is from the “Historia Augusta,” which was also not written by Christians, and which has a good deal of fiction embroidered into its history.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 75 | January 7, 2022 5:29 PM
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I'd like to see how the Victorian and Edwardian historians covered his reign. Or did they just skip over it?
by Anonymous | reply 76 | January 7, 2022 5:55 PM
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[quote] Big dicks may have been in and out of fashion but they have never, ever been out of favor.
A large penis is always welcome.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | January 7, 2022 6:07 PM
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The Victorians and Edwardians indulged in it and were obsessed with Elagabalus (real name Varius Avitus Bassianus), R76. Of course, while pointing out how detestable his behavior was. Gibbon also had a few choice words.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | January 7, 2022 6:40 PM
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I always wondered whether the Black Stone of Emesa became the Black Stone of the Kaaba. This would be hilarious, given its history.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | January 7, 2022 6:42 PM
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[quote]The emperor reportedly wore makeup and wigs, preferred to be called a lady and not a lord, and supposedly offered vast sums to any physician who could provide him with a vagina.[79][80] For this reason, the emperor is seen by some writers as an early transgender figure and one of the first on record as seeking sex reassignment surgery.[79][81][82]
Every fucking time.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 82 | January 7, 2022 6:56 PM
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If I become president I will emulate him!
by Anonymous | reply 83 | January 7, 2022 6:59 PM
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^ Except Elagabalus was the ultimate power bottom, Lady G is just a big pussy
by Anonymous | reply 84 | January 7, 2022 7:47 PM
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It's ok r49, Wikipedia makes sure to mention that he was transjenduh and no one is allowed to dispute that!
At least they say this is all "supposedly", although weird word for a wannabe-encyclopedia that's desperate to be taken seriously.
"Dio says Elagabalus delighted in being called Hierocles's mistress, wife, and queen.[79] The emperor reportedly wore makeup and wigs, preferred to be called a lady and not a lord, and supposedly offered vast sums to any physician who could provide him with a vagina.[79][80] For this reason, the emperor is seen by some writers as an early transgender figure and one of the first on record as seeking sex reassignment surgery.[79][81][82]"
by Anonymous | reply 85 | January 7, 2022 8:02 PM
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That isn’t a statue of him in OP’s link and R83, that’s actually him. Our little whore was covered in a nacreous layer of permacum.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | January 7, 2022 8:18 PM
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This story is making me feel so...unfulfilled.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | January 7, 2022 8:22 PM
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The relevant passage is in the medieval abridgment of Dio Cassius' history (Dio was a contemporary of Elagabalus; parts of his history survive only in later abridged versions):
[quote]Ἐς τοσαύτην δὲ συνηλάθη ἀσέλγειαν ὡς καὶ τοὺς ἰατροὺς ἀξιοῦν αἰδῶ γυναικείαν δι᾿ ἀνατομῆς αὐτῷ μηχανήσασθαι, μεγάλους ὑπὲρ τούτου μισθοὺς αὐτοῖς προϊσχόμενος.
[quote]"He was driven to such licentiousness that he even asked doctors to contrive him a female private part by cutting, promising them large fees for the purpose."
by Anonymous | reply 88 | January 7, 2022 9:11 PM
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Basically, he just wanted to dance.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | January 7, 2022 9:12 PM
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I don't ask....I grab them by the mussy
by Anonymous | reply 90 | January 7, 2022 9:14 PM
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R80 I hadn't thought about that, but it would be magnificent if it was.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | January 7, 2022 9:28 PM
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He’s always been a role model to me.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | January 7, 2022 9:29 PM
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He was living his best life folx! Why all the haters?😒
by Anonymous | reply 93 | January 7, 2022 9:38 PM
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[quote] he finally set a aside a room in the palace, and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room...while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers by."
Melania did this too the first few months in the White House until they explained to her that she didn't have to earn her keep.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | January 7, 2022 9:41 PM
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What Elagabalus may have looked like...
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 95 | January 7, 2022 9:44 PM
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[quote]This is when the Roman empire stated to go downhill.
Yes, this was when the Empire became even more decadent and self-destructive. It really was all downhill from the 200s on, until the end of the Western Roman Empire in the 400s.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | January 7, 2022 9:49 PM
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So, this is a thing you can do?
by Anonymous | reply 98 | January 7, 2022 10:02 PM
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Actually, the Roman empire really started to go downhill, when the rich stopped paying taxes. Really! When the rich refused to pay taxes, and hired thugs to repel the tax collectors, the tax collectors literally destroyed the middle class in an attempt to keep the state funded. The rich wouldn't pay, the middle class vanished, and the underclass had no assets to take, and the Roman Empire became unsustainable, in a way that had nothing to do with anyone's sex life.
Any of that sound familiar?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | January 7, 2022 10:06 PM
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There are a lot of really sadistic stories about him killing people for religious rituals, basically human sacrifices, which was something highly taboo in Rome. This history could have been an attack on eastern religions or it could have been the truth.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | January 7, 2022 10:08 PM
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His God was a version of Baal, R100, who was the hated rival of the Jewish God in the OT and who demanded the sacrifice of the firstborn.
Some identify Baal with Satan. Just saying.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | January 7, 2022 10:21 PM
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"So, this is a thing you can do?
—Eric Trump"
Not unless I tell you
by Anonymous | reply 102 | January 7, 2022 10:26 PM
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The religion would have been a much bigger issue to his contemporaries than his bottoming, and the bottoming would have been considered unseemly for an emperor even if he was of buggerable age when he took the throne.
But Elagabalus was just too young to understand the personal and political value of hypocrisy. If he'd married a smart gal from a good Roman family and produced legitimate children between plowings from gladiators, and worshipped the Roman gods in public and sacrificed little slaves to Baal in private, nobody would have had a problem with his behavior. But a boy of 14-18 doesn't understand that, kids that age think grownups are all fakes and hypocrites, and need to be shown how to live honestly.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | January 7, 2022 10:32 PM
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This is such an interesting historical discussion, minus the Trump and other American political posts. God, you people never quit.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | January 7, 2022 10:35 PM
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Yes the titillation over his sex life gets somewhat ruined by his obscenely evil religious rituals and child murders.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | January 7, 2022 10:35 PM
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Overall a great thread, IMO
by Anonymous | reply 106 | January 7, 2022 10:43 PM
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He had one of his big guys fuck him for the first time in an arena with the populace watching.
The crowd was instructed to cheer when his lover shot his load into his ass.
That's entertainment!
by Anonymous | reply 107 | January 7, 2022 10:49 PM
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He was the most powerful power bottom that ever bottomed.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | January 7, 2022 10:53 PM
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He was the very model of a modern Major bottom boy
by Anonymous | reply 110 | January 7, 2022 10:56 PM
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[quote]The crowd was instructed to cheer when his lover shot his load into his ass.
ChiChi LaRue was directing way back then? Wow, she really is old.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | January 7, 2022 10:57 PM
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He had a guy imported from the middle east who purportedly had the largest penis ever seen, but jealous rivals in the palace drugged this guy when he got there, so he couldn't perform. He was sent back in disgrace.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | January 7, 2022 11:00 PM
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He sent me out to collect 10,000 pounds of spider webs on a whim! The indignitas!
by Anonymous | reply 113 | January 7, 2022 11:02 PM
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Fun fact: Olivia de Havilland was in the audience of the arena when guys were fucking him in the ass!
by Anonymous | reply 114 | January 7, 2022 11:02 PM
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He made me sit downwind of his garum farts! I was brought up for better things than this.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | January 7, 2022 11:04 PM
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If you had money power and you were free male citizen anything and everything was possible and also happened. But the other side were the rest of the people. Their lives were very different story.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | January 7, 2022 11:10 PM
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[quote] If he were alive today, he'd wear a turquoise belt, decorate his palace in the style of Downton Abbey, and hire a private photographer.
And travel the known world in search of large dicks to take up his hole.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | January 7, 2022 11:11 PM
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[quote] he got all this whoring and multiple marriages done in a span of about four years. He whored at the peak of his testosterone production.
That way everyone was guaranteed maximum seed via multiple ejaculations.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | January 7, 2022 11:16 PM
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[quote] He had one of his big guys fuck him for the first time in an arena with the populace watching. The crowd was instructed to cheer when his lover shot his load into his ass. That's entertainment!
This sounds like a recent episode of life on the road with the Cockgobbler.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | January 7, 2022 11:26 PM
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It's amusing the incredibly how incredibly full of insane replies this post is, stop projecting your laughable political views into the past, the Roman "Republic" isn't comparable to any modern polity, although some countries love to pretend to be its successor. And yes, it certainly is a good idea to take at face-value these Roman historians, who were and wrote for an intensely hostile public not only to Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, his actual nomenclature, but to more or less his whole family and what they represented. What they truly despise they lay bare in a circumspect form, for example the passing remark that "philosophers" dressed as women loudly spoke about their husbands and "married life" to please Antoninus; that's because Nero too was blasted for being too Greek-ish in customs and tastes, and the patrician class was generally ambivalent towards Greek philosophy, see how the Athenian embassy to Rome (headed by philosophers) was turned back at the instigations of Cato the Elder and the Patricians because they were stupefied by their teachings. And then of course the core of the issue which is religion, the Roman patricians loved their religion because in addition to what it was to every cultist to them it was in a certain sense a family history, patrician lines claimed to descend from some hero/demi-god, something that features prominently in their culture from the Aeneid to Seneca's Apocolocyntosis, while in the Aeneid it's treated reverently, the Greek-ish and provincial Seneca mocks Claudius' claims of descent from Hercules by making him his attorney before a divine court that dismisses his claim to godhood and sends him straight to the underworld to suffer excruciating pains. Antoninus took the office of Prince only because he was supposed to be a restorer of the legitimacy of the Principate and restorer of the status quo ante Macrinus' usurpation, the only things that allowed him to cling to power was the support of the army, that hoped to see a revived Caracalla in him (and were to be soon disappointed) and Julia Maesa, his cunning grandmother, what we would nowadays call a veteran lobbyist. Yet as I pointed out he began to lose allies pretty soon, and kept power mostly in the way that Nero and others did, by entertaining the Roman masses, it's no error that every "degenerate" emperor was a favourite of the masses and intensely hated by the Senate, the Senate didn't care for degeneracy insofar it was along the lines of Tiberius, you could diddle or be diddled by kids (as Tiberius liked) as much as you wanted if you were an efficient and ruthless "bureaucrat". A very different thing is to be an incompetent administrator who burns money to please the masses, as well as himself, and of course outrages Roman mores and attempts to co-opt cults into his own familial cult (aka attempting to become a living god, as Caligula supposedly attempted). Perhaps the most resented issue would have been human sacrifice, the Romans couldn't stop it in Carthage, where until the Christian age it continued under the guise of mock gladiatorial fights that the Romans considered were in honour of Saturn, actually the Phoenicians sacrificed humans to more deities than just Baal. And yet that's not enough, the custom was to offer the best of the best in the human buffet and that was the nobleman's children, and noble families regularly gladly sacrificed their little children. Antoninus made it compulsory and had children sacrificed through the whole Republic. Maesa was among the first to see the sinking ship that Antoninus was, and fastly jumped ship to that of his other grandson, Severus Alexander, forcing Antoninus to grudgingly name him his successor, and yet in his madness Antoninus attempted to kill Severus Alexander, who had in the meanwhile become the sweetheart of the army, therefore sealing his fate, as the army stormed his palace and killed him.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | January 7, 2022 11:33 PM
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I'm guessing Google Translate rendered R120 out of either Italian or Spanish, to judge from the mistranslation "Prince" where it should be "princeps." Or maybe Latin?
by Anonymous | reply 121 | January 7, 2022 11:42 PM
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And if you like 17th Century opera, think Monteverdi, yes Francesco Cavalli is a good recommendation, although he's more known because of his work for the King of France, he did most of the work for Ercole Amante, which turned out to be a flop and passed to Lully for re-arrangements, Cavalli nevertheless is a master of the Italian style. This work is online in youtube, with Antoninus role performed by Franco Fagioli, a rather popular opera singer due to his abilities as falsetto. It bears little semblance to the monster of the Roman historians, the plot is about how Antoninus attempts to woo Flavia Gemmira who is actually in love with Alexander Severus (who despite being a teen at the time he took the throne, here his actor sports a rather lush beard), a fictitious plot. The supposed female senate headed by Maesa that Antoninus convened makes an appearance but here it's turned into a ploy to seduce Gemmira as Elgabalus claims he too can form part of it, since he's perfectly female, perfectly male and also Zeus.
R171 Prince is derived from Princeps, which means first among equals/citizens.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | January 7, 2022 11:44 PM
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Geez, r120, would a couple of paragraphs have killed you?
by Anonymous | reply 123 | January 7, 2022 11:45 PM
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Kyle Onstott wrote A Child of the Sun based on his life. It’s sexy gaY PORN.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | January 7, 2022 11:47 PM
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R123 Has the absence of paragraphs killed you? Get used to density if you don't want to be a literary light-weight who can't read more than one page per hour or even day.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | January 7, 2022 11:52 PM
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^ Learn how to write so people can read it, what a fucking mess
by Anonymous | reply 126 | January 8, 2022 12:02 AM
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He demanded that his chariot driver call him Miss Ross.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | January 8, 2022 12:07 AM
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R126 Or perhaps you could just improve your reading ability and be less of a cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | January 8, 2022 12:09 AM
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You know a thread is popular when people start flooding it with bitchy snipes and spammy nonsense.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | January 8, 2022 12:12 AM
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As a teenage gayling read a wonderful novel Child Of The Sun about Elagabalus and his lovers. Along with Mary Renault's books it helped me accept being gay. Would make a great film.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 130 | January 8, 2022 12:20 AM
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^ Would cast Chalamet as Elagabalus
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 131 | January 8, 2022 12:26 AM
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The more fabulous Pan paperback cover.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 132 | January 8, 2022 12:26 AM
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@r128, nobody is going to read your crap, glad you wasted your time. Learn to write...
"A paragraph (from Ancient Greek παράγραφος (parágraphos) 'to write beside') is a self-contained unit of discourse in writing dealing with a particular point or idea. A paragraph consists of one or more sentences Though not required by the syntax of any language, **paragraphs are usually an expected part of formal writing, used to organize longer prose**"
by Anonymous | reply 133 | January 8, 2022 12:29 AM
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Elagabalus was probably trans. He became emperor at 14. He was basically a puppet under control of his power hungry grandmother. He was murdered with his boyfriend when he was only 18. His cousin assumed the throne and made sure his" fairy" predecessors reputation was thoroughly blackened by propaganda. Homophobic Edward Gibbon gleefully completed the hatchet job on this kid. "History" is a pack of tricks we play on the dead.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | January 8, 2022 12:33 AM
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Did he ever forecast the weather on a NYC morning show?
by Anonymous | reply 136 | January 8, 2022 12:35 AM
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"History is written by the victors."
by Anonymous | reply 137 | January 8, 2022 12:36 AM
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His life would make a great film. So much of Roman history is overlooked by Hollywood. How many Caesar, Cleopatra,Nero, Caligula movies have they made? Elagabalus and Hadrian and Antinous great stories that deserve the big screen.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 138 | January 8, 2022 12:41 AM
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[quote]R74: most of this is from Cassius Dio who was not a Christian.
Correct, but the history of Elegabalus is from the Historia, Books 79/80, which were abridged, summarized, and embellished by John Xiphilinus, an 11th century Byzantine monk and nephew of Patriarch John VIII of Constantinople, a well-known preacher. The work was requested by a minor Byzantine emperor, who was fed more or less what the Byzantine Church wanted him to know of the Roman emperors. From Wiki:
[quote]The epitome of Dio was prepared by order of Michael Parapinaces (1071–1078), but is unfortunately incomplete. It comprises books 36–80, the period included being from the times of Pompey and Caesar down to Alexander Severus. In book 70 the reign of Antoninus Pius and the early years of Marcus Aurelius appear to have been missing in his copy, while in books 78 and 79 a mutilated original must have been used. Xiphilinus divided the work into sections, each containing the life of an emperor. He omitted the names of the consuls and sometimes altered or emended the original. The epitome is valuable as preserving the chief incidents of the period for which the authority of Dio is wanting.
From Tertullian.org on the subject of manuscripts:
[quote]3. The Epitome of John Xiphilinus - "For Books LXI-LXXX our chief authority is Xiphilinus, a monk of Constantinople, who made an abridgment of Books XXXVI-LXXX at the request of the emperor Michael VII. Ducas. (1071-78). Even in his time Books LXX and LXXI (Boissevain's division), containing the reign of Antoninus Pius and the first part of that of Marcus Aurelius, had already perished. He divided his epitome into sections each containing the life of one emperor, and thus is of no authority as regards Dio's divisions ; furthermore his task was very carelessly performed." (Cary)
In short, it was exactly as R38 characterized it: "Christian propaganda to make pagan Rome look bad and immoral."
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 139 | January 8, 2022 1:00 AM
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There is a tendency now to assume that negative histories are always fictional and designed by the victor to invalidate the defeated. For example it was relatively recently in vogue to claim that Roman accounts of child sacrifice in Carthage were politically motivated lies. But archeology has proven that assumption to be false.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | January 8, 2022 1:47 AM
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R139, do you think the similar stories about the emperors in Suetonius' *Lives* and in other ancient authors were "Christian propaganda to make pagan Rome look bad and immoral"? We're dealing here with a long-lived ancient discourse of invective, which could perfectly well have been in Cassius Dio's original—not because he was Christian (which he wasn't) but because of his political leanings. Let's not reduce it to a simplistic "pagan versus Christian" opposition.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | January 8, 2022 2:16 AM
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Shawn Mendes IS Elagabalus
by Anonymous | reply 142 | January 8, 2022 2:18 AM
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A thousand years from now they will say we were "exaggerating" about Trump?
by Anonymous | reply 143 | January 8, 2022 2:28 AM
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This thread is turning me Topsy-Turvy!
by Anonymous | reply 144 | January 8, 2022 2:38 AM
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Right round, baby, right round....
by Anonymous | reply 145 | January 8, 2022 2:49 AM
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Elagabalus - Italy's first case of AIDS.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | January 8, 2022 2:59 AM
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[quote]R131: Would cast Chalamet as Elagabalus
Yes!! Elagabalus=sun god / Elio=sun god. Both have struggle staches. It was obvioisly meant to be!
by Anonymous | reply 147 | January 8, 2022 3:02 AM
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R141 comparing the Christian texts of the 'Epitome of Dio' by Xiphilinus with Suetonius's 'Lives' is like comparing apples and oranges. Nor can one pretend that, in the absence of Dio, 11th century Xiphilinus will do.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | January 8, 2022 3:11 AM
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R18- He does not belong on this thread. He's sounds TOO heterosexual.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | January 8, 2022 3:17 AM
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Suddenly this makes more sense...
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 151 | January 8, 2022 3:22 AM
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Isn't Elagabalus the real name of the Wicked Witch of the West?
by Anonymous | reply 152 | January 8, 2022 3:26 AM
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How about Tom Holland as Elagabalus?
by Anonymous | reply 153 | January 8, 2022 4:18 AM
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Armie would be an ideal Hierocles to Timmee's Elagabalus.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | January 8, 2022 4:21 AM
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That was a violent relationship, so that casting might work.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | January 8, 2022 4:45 AM
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Elagabalus was an Arab and died at 18.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | January 8, 2022 4:51 AM
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Horny Arab boys can be hot, even for straight guys.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | January 8, 2022 5:20 AM
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Where were the concerned imperial Roman mothers? He was just a boy.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | January 8, 2022 5:51 AM
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They were plotting, r158.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | January 8, 2022 6:20 AM
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The mother and the grandmother were the ones who puppeteered him into power. The grandmother had him killed and replaced. He probably would have rather stayed in Syria sucking provincial rocks and being a flamboyant priestess..
by Anonymous | reply 160 | January 8, 2022 7:04 AM
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As if DL bottoms wouldn't do the same given half a chance. You're all whores, darlings.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | January 8, 2022 7:24 AM
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Are those warts on his face ?
by Anonymous | reply 162 | January 8, 2022 7:39 AM
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^ Zits, he was just a teenager. Today he'd be working at McDonald's
by Anonymous | reply 163 | January 8, 2022 7:54 AM
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R149, when you call the 11th-century epitome's passage an addition by the epitomizer and the comparison with Suetonius as "apples and oranges," you need to show that Dio or another pagan author couldn't have said the same sort of thing—but they could and did. Example: the Historia Augusta, our *main source* for this kind of invective against Elagabalus. It isn't part of a Christian agenda there; it serves a programmatic contrast between Elagabalus' imposition of Syrian sun-cult and Alexander Severus' honoring traditional Roman religion, performing sacrifices as Pontifex Maximus, reestablishing worship to deified previous emperors, specially cultivating Capitoline Jupiter, etc. (he's even represented as abandoning a plan to include Christ among other deities in temples—itself not in line with Christian belief—when he's told it would lead to people becoming Christian). The author's tendentious program is to extol the traditionalist *pagan* ruler over the corrupt Syrian sun-priest-ruler.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | January 8, 2022 11:04 AM
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Yes but what about the monster cocks?
by Anonymous | reply 165 | January 8, 2022 11:07 AM
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"He made a public bath in the imperial palace and at the same time threw open the bath of Plautinus to the populace, that by this means he might get a supply of men with unusually large organs. He also took care to have the whole city and the wharves searched for "onobeli*," as those were called who seemed particularly lusty. *i.e. like an ass in this respect."
THE LIFE OF ANTONINUS HELIOGABALUS by Aelius Lampridius
by Anonymous | reply 166 | January 8, 2022 11:15 AM
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Monster cocks figured prominently, R165, in attacks by pagans against other pagans, I can assure you!
by Anonymous | reply 167 | January 8, 2022 11:18 AM
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That bust looks a lot like Troye Sivan..............
by Anonymous | reply 168 | January 8, 2022 11:26 AM
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Reincarnated as a corrupt uber bottom pop star in the early 21 Century, he returned to disgust and offend again.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | January 8, 2022 11:34 AM
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Elagabalus is what happens when bottoms have power.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | January 8, 2022 12:12 PM
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I would like to read the rest of R120's thesis.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | January 8, 2022 2:31 PM
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[Quote] "onobeli*," as those were called who seemed particularly lusty.
Onobeli is the archaic word for Datalounger.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | January 8, 2022 2:52 PM
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[quote]The mother and the grandmother were the ones who puppeteered him into power. The grandmother had him killed and replaced. He probably would have rather stayed in Syria sucking provincial rocks and being a flamboyant priestess..
I Like that grandmother's style.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | January 8, 2022 2:55 PM
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Just a word of caution: this term "onobeli" isn't actually attested in any text; it's a speculative reconstruction. See attached.
Elagabalus' ravenous appetite for huge cocks, however, is indisputable.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 174 | January 8, 2022 2:58 PM
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They should really make this into a movie. The horny teen, his mother, and grandmother are all Oscar bait roles.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | January 8, 2022 3:34 PM
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I agree r175, or as someone mentioned upthread a miniseries about the whole crazy little dynasty. But I have to admit, a 14-year-old boy running around having sex with every guy in town? I dunno, would they have to just lie and pretend he was 18 when he came to the throne?
by Anonymous | reply 176 | January 8, 2022 3:37 PM
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Let’s hope some Hollywood writers take up the charge. DL must be infested with them.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | January 8, 2022 3:43 PM
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Dustin Lance Black could write it for Tom Daley’s first legitimate film.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | January 8, 2022 3:45 PM
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A voracious bottom into big Roman and Arab dick?
It's like looking in a mirror!
by Anonymous | reply 179 | January 8, 2022 3:58 PM
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R178 , Tom would be perfect. But he is aging out of this role quickly
by Anonymous | reply 180 | January 8, 2022 6:01 PM
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A gay icon I actually can get behind.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | January 8, 2022 6:03 PM
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He literally put the "power" in "power bottom".
by Anonymous | reply 182 | January 8, 2022 6:10 PM
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I believe he was the first DLer to call for Verificatia of Size Meat
by Anonymous | reply 184 | January 8, 2022 6:56 PM
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If a bio film or tv series is ever made and the actor playing Elagabalus is white, there will be a total shitstorm of outrage.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | January 8, 2022 7:23 PM
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They can easily find an actor from anywhere in the entire Mediterranean region who looks like him.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | January 8, 2022 7:26 PM
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But if he's not Arab there would be hell to pay on Twitter.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | January 8, 2022 7:28 PM
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There are Arabic actors who play gay, you know.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | January 8, 2022 7:36 PM
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He looks like the Sicilian actor Franco Merli. I'm sure Pier Paolo Pasolini would have made a biopic about Elagabalus and Franco would have been cast.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 189 | January 8, 2022 7:39 PM
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Is it a giant wart on his chin ? Did he have aids ?
by Anonymous | reply 190 | January 8, 2022 7:41 PM
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I would imagine a Syrian would be better than just Arab. Arab is an ethnicity and contrary to popular belief, most of the populations in the Arab world are not completely genetically different prior to Arabization. Rami Malek and Mena Massoud are who they should be casting in Ancient Egyptian movies.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | January 8, 2022 7:43 PM
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R185 is the white victimhood queen. 80% of actors in movies and TV are white
by Anonymous | reply 192 | January 8, 2022 7:43 PM
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A young Arab power bottom role?
Call Scarlett Johanssen.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | January 8, 2022 7:44 PM
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r192 perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the entire fucking culture over the last several years. A non-white character being played by a white actor is hugely controversial in this day and age.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | January 8, 2022 7:45 PM
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I'm tired of a bunch of speculation from people who are just making it up as they go.
Eldergays, tell us what Elagabalus was like.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | January 8, 2022 7:46 PM
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R194, he wasn't non-white.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | January 8, 2022 7:47 PM
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Syrians can be "white" though. The Middle East is diverse in skin tones. You also have Iranians and Egyptians with blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin. In general the Mediterranean and Central Asia is a melting pot. Most of the world does not fit into these racial categories. A historical accurate movie would feature this diversity.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | January 8, 2022 7:48 PM
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He was Arab, which means in America there would be a controversy if a white (European) actor played him. JFC you just don't get it.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | January 8, 2022 7:48 PM
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Several years ago there was a Biblical movie called Exodus: Gods and Kings. It was a big controversy because Christian Bale played Moses, Sigourney Weaver was Tuya, Joel Edgerton was Ramses, John Turturro was Set and Ben Mendelsohn was Viceroy Hegep. Several other white actors played Egyptians/Middle Easterners. The movie flopped because of the shitstorm over the casting.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | January 8, 2022 7:51 PM
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History does not record his complexion, but I fancy it was a warm Mediterranean olive tone. His mother's mother's family was from a priestly dynasty in the Syrian city of Emesa, apparently of Arabic origin (long before the Arabs spread out over this part of the world in the 600s; but there were local Arabic communities in the Levant). His father's family might have been of local origin—or who knows; there was a lot of moving around in the Hellenistic and Roman periods, particularly among the upper class. All we really know about him is that he was horny.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | January 8, 2022 7:53 PM
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r197 are you aware of the recent controversy over Gal Gadot playing Cleopatra? And Cleopatra actually WAS white European!
by Anonymous | reply 201 | January 8, 2022 7:53 PM
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Technically, a Southern European potentially could from Portugal, Greece and Sicily could because many have Arab and North African DNA and similar phenotype. In the Ancient World there was nothing separating Southern Europe from Asia and Africa. As long as he's not this tall, fair-skinned blondie from Norway, I don't see the issue.
Americans think they know everything and see the world based on the Jim Crow slavery system of "white" vs "nonwhite" when it's not that simple. Other countries do not give a shit because they care about real issues and race as a concept makes absolutely no sense.
I doubt Middle Easterners give a shit that everyone in Biblical movies are played by white actors. Most Arabs didn't care about Aladdin because it's fiction. The thing is while it's nice to aim for historical accuracy, these movies are at the mercy of producers and shareholders.
The 1001 Nights by Pier Paolo Pasolini was very diverse and accurately represented the Arabic cultures with brown, black and white actors because Bagdad was melting pot and trading center. Ancient Rome was a major center of trade too and naturally had many ethnicities who lived there.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | January 8, 2022 7:55 PM
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R201, and yet the movie is still getting made. Huh. Weird.
White victimhood queens are so silly
by Anonymous | reply 203 | January 8, 2022 7:57 PM
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The bottom line is that if an actor playing this role isn't North African/Middle Eastern there will be a big controversy. Even Southern European actors would be controversial.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | January 8, 2022 7:58 PM
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Because r203 Cleopatra actually was white.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | January 8, 2022 7:58 PM
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It won't be a controversy because 1) he's not well-known as opposed to Jesus and Cleopatra, 2) he was flamboyant gay, a pagan and sexually promiscuous which is taboo in Islamic cultures, so modern Arabs would not want to claim someone like him, and 3) the subject matter would not make this anywhere closet to a mainstream Hollywood film or Netflix series. It would a niche arthouse type of production targeted to gays.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | January 8, 2022 8:01 PM
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Exodus: Gods and Kings failed because it was a terrible movie. The “controversy” over casting that I have no memory of was the least of its problems.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | January 8, 2022 8:02 PM
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Did I miss something? Is this ancient whore's life, which virtually no one knows about, being made into a film via DataLounge Productions?
by Anonymous | reply 208 | January 8, 2022 8:02 PM
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[quote]The Sydney Morning Herald and Christian Today reported that the casting of white actors in the lead roles was being criticized.[22][23] Four white actors were cast to play the Hebrew and Egyptian lead characters: Christian Bale as Moses, Joel Edgerton as Ramses II, Sigourney Weaver as Queen Tuya, and Aaron Paul as Joshua. The Sydney Morning Herald also reported the online community's observations that the film gives a European profile to the Great Sphinx of Giza.[22] Christian Today reported that an online petition was underway. It also compared Exodus to the 1956 film The Ten Commandments with its all-white cast and said, "The racial climate, number of black actors, and opportunities provided to them were very different in 1956, however."[23] Some Twitter users called for a boycott of the film.[24][25]
[quote]More so, Forbes' Scott Mendelson said that the film did not need to be "whitewashed" and stated that "Even if we accept the argument that Moses had to be played by a world-renowned movie star and that in all likelihood that meant a white actor, I do not accept the idea that the rest of the main cast needed to be filled out with Caucasian actors of varying recognizability."[26]
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 209 | January 8, 2022 8:04 PM
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[quote]It won't be a controversy because 1) he's not well-known as opposed to Jesus and Cleopatra, 2) he was flamboyant gay, a pagan and sexually promiscuous which is taboo in Islamic cultures, so modern Arabs would not want to claim someone like him
1)Twitter will research him immediately. When they find out he was Arab, they'll start screaming. 2)A lot of this stuff comes from woke white people.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | January 8, 2022 8:06 PM
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Yes, if Lindsey Graham doesn’t shut the production down for saying it was inspired by his life story.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | January 8, 2022 8:06 PM
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Yes, R208. Liza Minnelli is going to play his politically adroit grandmother Julia Maesa. Who do we get to play his bruiser cousin Caracalla? It would have to be somebody who looked good in the bathhouse scenes that occupy the first 20 minutes of the film?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 212 | January 8, 2022 8:06 PM
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[quote]Americans think they know everything and see the world based on the Jim Crow slavery system of "white" vs "nonwhite" when it's not that simple. Other countries do not give a shit because they care about real issues and race as a concept makes absolutely no sense.
We do go overboard, but are you telling me nobody in Germany cares about all the Turks, nobody in France cares about the Algerians, nobody in Britain has even the slightest touch of racism, it's all one big happy family of nations and ethnic groups, all focused on those real issues?
by Anonymous | reply 213 | January 8, 2022 8:11 PM
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R194, the majority don't care if a white actor plays an allegedly non-white ancient character, or a historical figure who wouldn't necessarily have been non-white by today's standards. Syrians are have pretty white skin, they're not "black" or "brown".
by Anonymous | reply 214 | January 8, 2022 8:11 PM
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That's nothing to do with skin colour, r213. It's more about a large number of people from a very different culture with different values suddenly coming to settle in your town. And, they're not even as bothered as you think. No, people in Germany are not really bothered by the Turks and people in France are not particularly bothered by the Algerians. And Algerians and Turks probably couldn't give a fuck who played an Algerian or Turkish character in a Hollywood movie.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | January 8, 2022 8:15 PM
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[quote] A lot of this stuff comes from woke white people.
True. I'm not white myself (I'm black) but I understand enough about certain things to choose my battles. Energy has to be directed towards real issues. I think smart people realize Hollywood will never present a true story. It's mindless entertainment not a documentary. I try my best to just get movies from nonwhite creators at this point.
R213 Racism exists everywhere. But North America's racism is deeply tied to chattel slavery and genocide of Indigenous people and laws that enforced segregation and disenfranchisement. Europe's racism is based heavily on a mix of xenophobia, post-colonialism, religious conflict and culture wars. In Europe, there is far more push to have people assimilate. Black people in France and The UK will deal with prejudice but it's nothing like in The US where centuries of dehumanization and inability to fully assimilate occurred. The other similar ethnic groups to Black Americans I can think of in Europe are the Romani.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | January 8, 2022 8:16 PM
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Every time a SJW squeals on Twitter the white fragility crowd squeals “I’m being oppressed in response.” And Boris, or Cody or Ping earn another token towards their Divisive merit badge.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | January 8, 2022 8:18 PM
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Can we please get the conversation back to me?
by Anonymous | reply 218 | January 8, 2022 8:25 PM
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[quote]Can we please get the conversation back to me?
Absolutely, honey bunch, and just remember Grandma loves you and has your back. For now.
by Anonymous | reply 220 | January 8, 2022 8:31 PM
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H was not an Arab he was from a Roman family. Philippus Arabs was.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | January 8, 2022 8:56 PM
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^ And Cleopatra was 100% Macedonian Greek by ancestry but that doesn't stop morons from claiming that Gal Gadot playing her means that BLACK HISTORY IS BEING ERASED!!!
by Anonymous | reply 222 | January 8, 2022 8:58 PM
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And it doesn’t stop you from amplifying those morons to score divisive points.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | January 8, 2022 9:00 PM
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Funny enough some DLers still wouldn't consider 100% Macedonian Cleopatra white since apparently white people can only have pink skin, blond hair and blue eyes.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | January 8, 2022 9:00 PM
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Maybe not 100% r222, there's various great-great grandmothers nobody is sure of, but those Ptolemies certainly were into the purity, and of course, the incest.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | January 8, 2022 9:03 PM
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Anything south of Switzerland is sus.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | January 8, 2022 9:03 PM
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R224, that is a peculiarly American thing. Javier Bardem was baffled at being described as a POC by Americans.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | January 8, 2022 9:05 PM
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Suspicious; not to be trusted
by Anonymous | reply 230 | January 8, 2022 9:09 PM
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R227 Yep. Same with Antonio Banderas and Cristiano Ronaldo who are Europeans. I'm sure Joe Pesci, Jennifer Esposito and Sal Mineo had been called the N word growing up. Ricky Martin and Jennifer Lopez aren't considered white by many in The US either despite being predominantly Southern European in ancestry and considered privileged whites in their native Puerto Rico. The white people in Latin America are Spanish, French, Italian, Sicilian, Canary Islander and Portuguese descent.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | January 8, 2022 9:12 PM
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[quote]H was not an Arab he was from a Roman family. Philippus Arabs was.
Elagabalus was from a Roman citizen family of Arab ancestry on his mother's side (at least). Their ancestral priesthood of the sun-god was an Arabic religious tradition localized in Emesa, Syria: see Michael Pietrzykowski in Aufstieg und Niedergang der römischen Welt, Band II 16.3 (Berlin 1986) 1812.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | January 8, 2022 9:20 PM
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The right-wing freaks who scream about "white woke people" are the ones trying to ban LGBT books from school libraries
by Anonymous | reply 233 | January 8, 2022 10:01 PM
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R222 was probably cool with Liz Taylor playing Cleopatra even though she wasn't "Macedonian" either
Weird how some people are only into "accuracy" when it suits their purposes
by Anonymous | reply 234 | January 8, 2022 10:04 PM
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Syria was not Arabic in 200 CE, R232. It was Syriac and Aramaic.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | January 8, 2022 10:07 PM
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So it's agreed, Cleopatra can only be played by a Macedonian-Egyptian-African American-Syrian or Aramaic woman. But any way, a Strong Black Woman of Whiteness!
by Anonymous | reply 236 | January 8, 2022 10:10 PM
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Let’s continue with horny slut and Ancient Rome.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | January 8, 2022 10:17 PM
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that was a little more fun r237.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | January 8, 2022 10:18 PM
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R235, there were Arab communities scattered throughout the region in the Roman period, well before the Arab expansion in the 630s. One of them held the dynastic priesthood of Elagabal and produced the family that the horny slut emperor Elagabalus' family came from (via his great-grandfather Julius Bassianus). Get your facts right; I have you one reference and you can easily find others.
By the way, how exactly do you distinguish between "Syriac" and "Aramaic"?
by Anonymous | reply 239 | January 8, 2022 10:19 PM
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The slut wanted to kill his cute but boring cousin Alexander Severus.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 240 | January 8, 2022 10:20 PM
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Sal Mineo should have played this role in his youth. As he was a horny slut.
by Anonymous | reply 241 | January 8, 2022 10:20 PM
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True r239. Arab is kind of vague actually. I'm not sure it really means Saudi Arabian or that whole region for thousands of years. Paul supposedly goes to some Arab kingdom, but I don't think it's supposed to have anything to do with the Arabian peninsula.
It's a tangle.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | January 8, 2022 10:21 PM
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Arab is a cultural term. It's not a race but an ethnicity. When Arabs conquered parts of North Africa and West and Central Asia that caused an Arabization and mass conversions to Islam. The genetic makeups of those conquered populations were not massively wiped out, they just converted to Islam and took on an Arab identity. Also, I think what most people assume Arab would be darker-skinned Gulf Arabs from Saudi Arabia and Yemen and those populations are also mixed with East African. Syrians today can range from very pale skinned with fair hair and eyes to brown skinned. Elagabalus from the digital rendering looked like an olive-skinned Mediterranean boy who could fit from anywhere in the region. Many Syrians have that look as do many in the Arab world.
by Anonymous | reply 243 | January 8, 2022 10:26 PM
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thanks, r243. Also, fun fact: Iran means Land of the Aryans. I think of that when anyone tries to do some big "people of color" thing, or on the opposite side, some Neo Nazi bullshit about who the real white people are. Not sure it extends to Iran for them.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | January 8, 2022 10:30 PM
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By language R239. But you are right and I was wrong: the Emesan priests were most likely Arab (see link).
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 245 | January 8, 2022 10:31 PM
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Now I understand why the deplorables hate intellectuals. These fact people can suck the fun out of a blow job with their pedantry.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | January 8, 2022 10:32 PM
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Fair, r246. We are forgetting the reason for the season, DL Icon (Really, one of the few who should be!) our Emperor.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | January 8, 2022 10:36 PM
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I just read that he would invite people over for ogies, and once they were spent he would suffocate them with violets. Yes, violets. He had a special ceiling made that would drop violets. The Victorian painter Lawrence Alma-Tadema immortalized the act in a painting. However, he substituted roses for violets. It's a breaktaking piece of art. Blow it up all the way and look at the detail on Heliogabalus's gold robe and the braided hair on the red-haired male.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 248 | January 8, 2022 10:40 PM
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R242, "Arab" in the Roman period (at least) refers to speakers of Arabic dialects—although in this period and region many of their communities eventually switched to Aramaic, the most commonly spoken language there. The Nabataeans were an example; their kingdom was absorbed into the Roman empire in the early 100s.
R245, Syriac is a dialect of Aramaic—Aramaic is the more general term. Fun fact: still spoken in some form by a dwindling number of people, many of them in the Detroit area.
And, R246, I hate deplorables because they (almost by definition) have no intellectual curiosity and think that following up all the juicy factoids in the lives of orgiastic cock-hungry emperors is tantamount to sucking the fun out of everything.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | January 8, 2022 10:41 PM
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Just the thought of a power bottom young Tom as emperor makes me ejaculate
by Anonymous | reply 251 | January 8, 2022 10:43 PM
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That has to be the least efficient way to suffocate someone ever. He is the silliest silly to ever silly.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | January 8, 2022 10:43 PM
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I'm trying to stick to our beloved Elagabalus, I swear, but r250, I have read that about Detroit, and it is so fascinating to think there may be people there who speak the language of Jesus, or something like it (if there was a Jesus, yadda, yadda, yadda, a whole other damn thing ... back to Elagabalus I swear.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | January 8, 2022 10:44 PM
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[quote]The slut wanted to kill his cute but boring cousin Alexander Severus.
Boring, yeah, but I reigned for three or four times as long as he did before being assassinated!
by Anonymous | reply 254 | January 8, 2022 10:45 PM
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[quote]Boring, yeah, but I reigned for three or four times as long as he did before being assassinated!
Good for you, honey.
--Julia Maesa, the everloving Grandma
by Anonymous | reply 255 | January 8, 2022 10:48 PM
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It seems because he was an immature teenager, had controversial religious beliefs, maybe was transgender and was openly homosexual and even worse - a bottom! That probably caused a lot of this embellishments against him.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | January 8, 2022 10:51 PM
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[quote]"...he would go to taverns by night wearing a wig, and there ply the trade of a female prostitute. He frequented the notorious brothels, drove out the prostitutes and played the prostitute himself. he finally set a aside a room in the palace, and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room...while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers by."
Please, enough about Miss Lindzey!
by Anonymous | reply 257 | January 8, 2022 10:52 PM
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Did Julia Domna and Julia Maesa have a sort of Olivia-Joan rivalry? Can we center the mini-series on them?
by Anonymous | reply 258 | January 8, 2022 10:53 PM
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Teenager was probably the key r256. Nero was 17 when he became emperor. Commodus 18. Just not a great idea. Though in fairness, Caligula, 25, should have helped, but it didn't.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | January 8, 2022 10:55 PM
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definitely any series should be built around the women r258. I know that much.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | January 8, 2022 10:57 PM
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If you want a big budget, mass market movie the mother and grandmother have to be centered. A mass audience won't go to see a film about a sex crazed twink who throws his life away in the terminal pursuit of enormous cocks.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | January 8, 2022 11:01 PM
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sadly true r261. Though EVERY movie should be about a sex crazed twink, won't happen. And the truth is, the women are absolutely fascinating in that family, really running everything while the men are playing emperor or whatever.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | January 8, 2022 11:02 PM
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But murdering mothers is a box office draw?
by Anonymous | reply 263 | January 8, 2022 11:03 PM
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are you kidding me r263? Are you fucking kidding me?
by Anonymous | reply 265 | January 8, 2022 11:04 PM
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Are you guys drunk? A flamboyant crossdressing underage twink with a love of big dicks will not a box office draw no matter how much screen time you give the women involved in his life. Let it this be an independent arthouse film because at least we will see tons of big dicks and homosex and that's what matters the most.
by Anonymous | reply 266 | January 8, 2022 11:05 PM
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It actually might be r263. In many ways, our culture right now feels like the 70’s to me. I’m watching patterns mimic the 70’s, and one of those will be more character-type casting, more gritty realism. I freely admit it’s just a hypothesis, likely a silly one, it’s probably a form of unconscious bias on my part. I was born in ‘72.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | January 8, 2022 11:06 PM
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I see I’ve triggered the Beth Jarrett stans.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | January 8, 2022 11:07 PM
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If it was like the 70s, we would have heavily marketed pornographic films in movie theaters and interviews with celebrities bragging about going to see shock movies like Deep Throat and Pink Flamingos.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | January 8, 2022 11:08 PM
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Drunk? Yes, but beside the point r266. Ancient Roman decadence is always delightfully in season. Honestly, age will be the biggest problem. Make the little bastard 18, I say, and we're good. 14? Oh we are going to have some issues there.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | January 8, 2022 11:09 PM
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None of this matters because ultimately this mini-series will be about ME.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | January 8, 2022 11:10 PM
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I don't see the need to age him up as that's historically inaccurate. The actor probably should be over 18 though.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | January 8, 2022 11:12 PM
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I love your knot, Gordian. However, you are not a sex crazed twink, so now I'm bored.
by Anonymous | reply 273 | January 8, 2022 11:13 PM
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Elagabalus was from Antioch. Ancient Syrians were not considered Arabic as they spoke Greek and Latin not Arabic. Arabs of that time were a nomadic people living in tents not in palaces .
by Anonymous | reply 274 | January 8, 2022 11:27 PM
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yeah, well, be totally honest, r272, a movie about a sex crazed 14-year-old in the US of A? What happens there, do you think? Being honest.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | January 8, 2022 11:28 PM
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Don't fuck with me Nancy- Boy.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 276 | January 8, 2022 11:29 PM
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So Ancient Syrians were like Ancient Greeks, they were more fair and "white" than modern Greeks and Syrians?
by Anonymous | reply 278 | January 8, 2022 11:33 PM
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[quote]Elagabalus was from Antioch.
Elagabalus was from Emesa.
[quote]Ancient Syrians were not considered Arabic as they spoke Greek and Latin not Arabic.
Ancient Syrians spoke versions of Aramaic, and Greek as a second language.
[quote]Arabs of that time were a nomadic people living in tents not in palaces .
See R232 (and any reference work).
by Anonymous | reply 279 | January 8, 2022 11:35 PM
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Even modern Syrians are often very fair. Americans have weird ideas about "Arabs". They think they are are race and not a culture (linked by shared language and religions) which includes many different peoples.
by Anonymous | reply 280 | January 8, 2022 11:36 PM
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R275 You realize many American TV shows and movies feature teenage characters who are sexually active right? The Blue Lagoon is an American film. Heathers, an American film had an after-sex scene with 16-year-old Winona Ryder. 90210 is an American TV show. Dawson's Creek, an American TV show started the characters around 15 years old. America is not that prudish outside of annoying soccer moms and Evangelical politicians.
by Anonymous | reply 281 | January 8, 2022 11:36 PM
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It'd be an easier sell if the movie was about his lover Hierocles. Elagabalus is too insane and laughable for it to work with him as the main character.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | January 8, 2022 11:37 PM
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America is ready for a horny 14-year-old debauching Vestal Virgins and hunky charioteers and prostituting himself to Biggus Dickus.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | January 8, 2022 11:38 PM
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R283 America doesn't have to be "ready". Because it's about a gay main character and thus main audience will be gay men and history buffs who usually intelligent to understand 14-year-old boys are horny and like sex. The audience will not be religious prudes and suburban families who want wholesome entertainment. The idea of a sexually active gay Roman emperor nixes any mainstream appeal regardless of if he is 14 or 18. There is no reason to age him to 18 to make an unmarketable concept more marketable.
by Anonymous | reply 284 | January 8, 2022 11:42 PM
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Oh.
You're Talking about Ella-Gobble-Us.
Yup.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | January 8, 2022 11:42 PM
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I think he should be Disney’s wokest princess.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | January 8, 2022 11:44 PM
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Honestly r284 I hope somebody makes that movie. Totally fine with it. Love it. We can be mature. But I know exactly what would happen if it became even remotely popular. Shrieking and howling and sobbing about SAVING THE CHILDREN. It would. Sorry.
by Anonymous | reply 287 | January 8, 2022 11:45 PM
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R287 Who fucking cares? That audience also bitches about historically accurate movies about slavery and the Holocaust. Why should we care about big babies who can't handle any type of truth that doesn't fit in their Disney-fied world. As a gay man, I could give two shits about what some religious uptight prudes want. They can cry all the time and I will lick those tears.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | January 8, 2022 11:47 PM
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you don't need to care r288. Make the movie you want to make. Imagine the movie you want to make. It makes no difference, obviously. Do it. Do what ever makes you happy.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | January 8, 2022 11:49 PM
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Please, please! Let's not let this glorious film about the cock-crazy boy tyrant divide us!
by Anonymous | reply 290 | January 8, 2022 11:54 PM
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R289 Ummm ok. You seem personally offended that I'm against lying about history to appease a small fringe of religious conservatives who are offended by homosexuality, adolescent sexuality and paganism. Let me clue in. This will never a movie for mainstream and it's better that way. I hope you feel better and accept that.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | January 8, 2022 11:55 PM
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SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FUCK ME!
by Anonymous | reply 292 | January 8, 2022 11:59 PM
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A modern youth discovers a book in his grandfather’s house before the funeral. As he reads about Elagabalus, his mind wanders mixing his own past from 14-18 with that of the depraved Emperor and his grandfather. Three time periods ala the Hours only more intertwined and mixed up. Film ends with youth triumphantly announcing his and by extension his grandfather’s pronouns at the funeral.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | January 9, 2022 12:02 AM
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You all realize, don't you, that that whole fucked-up dynasty would never have happened if they'd only stuck with me?
by Anonymous | reply 294 | January 9, 2022 12:05 AM
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John Waters, Paul Veerhoeven, Lars von Trier, or Brian Singer directing?
by Anonymous | reply 295 | January 9, 2022 12:10 AM
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The Ancients did not think in terms of straight vs gay the way we do today. They thought in terms of tops vs bottoms and what was appropiate for your social caste/position. A straight slave could get fucked by his owner without shame but a master bottoming for his slave was not approved of.
by Anonymous | reply 296 | January 9, 2022 12:13 AM
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Will you Arab posters create your own thread. You're boring the rest of us and it is rude to hijack a thread. TIA.
Now where were we? Ah yes, the teenage slut.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | January 9, 2022 12:13 AM
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[quote]when you call the 11th-century epitome's passage an addition by the epitomizer and the comparison with Suetonius as "apples and oranges," you need to show that Dio or another pagan author couldn't have said the same sort of thing—but they could and did. Example: the Historia Augusta, our *main source* for this kind of invective against Elagabalus.
R164, problem is that one could only cite the Historia Augusta as an example of a complex fake and purveyor of disinformation, regardless of whose agenda one thinks it was (nobody can agree on that point). Of the material relating to Elagabalus in the Historia Augusta, only 24% of it is deemed to be reliable. If it's "our main source," that's unfortunate, because it means that the majority of what's been passed down about Elagabalus is bullshit.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 299 | January 9, 2022 12:24 AM
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This bitch would dance in flamboyant parades through Rome in front of his imported sacred black stone, scattering petals in his wake and generally offending even gays with the sheer scale of his vulgarity. Then he'd retire to the palace to sit on a giant cock and, as stated, enjoyed LARPing as a prostitute. That upset some people who weren't familiar with provincial habits.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | January 9, 2022 12:28 AM
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Yes R296 sex was less defined by labels and more by acts. Penetrating others was expected of an adult free male. But getting penetrated was a big no and liking it was a bigger no. Notice how in Christianity and Islam the big sin is to lie with another man as if he's a woman. Basically saying having buttsex is degrading because it emasculates the receiver. Being attracted to another man is never mentioned as sinful because they didn't get the concept of being homosexual.
This attitude still exists in conservative countries where self-hating gay men will fuck other men but still claim to be heterosexual because they don't bottom.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | January 9, 2022 12:29 AM
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Can't Madonna play the granny who teaches her grandson to ride around in a chariot looking for Latino guys with big dicks?
by Anonymous | reply 302 | January 9, 2022 12:32 AM
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Not sure what point you're trying to make, R299. For all we know all the scandalous stories about Elagabalus are bullshit. The point is that they're contrived by ancient pagans to discredit other ancient pagans—Christianity has nothing to do with it, as is most likely also the case with the epitome of the lost Dio books.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | January 9, 2022 12:52 AM
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Screenplay by K. Sessums.
I need to get fucked RIGHT NOW !!!!
by Anonymous | reply 304 | January 9, 2022 1:09 AM
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[quote]Not sure what point you're trying to make, R299. For all we know all the scandalous stories about Elagabalus are bullshit.
That's pretty close to my original point, R303.
[quote]The point is that they're contrived by ancient pagans to discredit other ancient pagans—Christianity has nothing to do with it, as is most likely also the case with the epitome of the lost Dio books.
We don't know that, R303, especially since there's no ancient copies or quotes from these works surviving - all of the manuscripts are from the second millennium of the Common (Christian) Era. That they were even deemed worthy of propagation/copying by Christian monks says something about their value to them as Christians. So Christianity would seem to have something to do with it.
In critical biblical scholarship, the observation has been made that nothing in scripture appears except for the fact that it was originally useful to someone's agenda; everything has, or once had, a point, even if it is no longer apparent to us now. The same observation may well apply to copied texts like the pseudo-histories we're talking about. The lettered Christian scribes who transmitted and may well have embellished them, did so to further a moralistic Christian point of view. That, and I think they were titillated by them; it was the equivalent of medieval porn for the celibate clerical class.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | January 9, 2022 1:48 AM
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There was no morality issue. A slut is a slut is a slut
by Anonymous | reply 307 | January 9, 2022 1:50 AM
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^ One man's slut is a another man's sassy baggage.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | January 9, 2022 1:52 AM
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I find it extremely hard to believe that any of his very short marriages to women were consummated. I question whether he got it up.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | January 9, 2022 2:09 AM
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Don't underestimate the abilities of a 14 year old with a hard on.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | January 9, 2022 2:11 AM
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R306, in addition to clogging up the thread, your generalizations and speculative assertions only parade your own embarrassingly shallow understanding of the subjects you're talking about. I'll note only that in the case of the Historia Augusta, the oldest ms. is 9th century, and the evidence for its influence goes back to the 5th century (both of which the Wikipedia article you link to could tell you). The text is clearly coming out of a late pagan milieu; if you can find a pro-Christian, anti-pagan polemic in it that two centuries of scholarship hasn't, give us details; otherwise spare us the crude generalities.
by Anonymous | reply 312 | January 9, 2022 2:11 AM
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How did Christianity end up being mentioned in a thread about an ancient Roman Emperor?
The US is totally obsessed with it. It's stupid, revolting and inexplicable?
by Anonymous | reply 313 | January 9, 2022 2:17 AM
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On this thread only R306 is obsessed with it. The rest of us are obsessed with casting a movie about Elagabalus, the slutty size-queen emperor.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | January 9, 2022 2:21 AM
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Meh The US is not obsessed with Christianity, more just vocalizing moral superiority under the guise of wholesome Christian values bullshit. It's certainly not obsessed with the Ancient Roman Christianity which was more a syncretism of Paganism, Neoplatonism with Messianic Judaism than any of its modern incarnation. That said, I'd rather talk about this young gay boy who most likely got his reputation tarnished by anti-sodomy assholes. All he wanted to do was get fucked by hot dick. There are far worse emperors.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | January 9, 2022 2:29 AM
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Another reconstruction. Quite the cutie.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 316 | January 9, 2022 2:36 AM
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I have no problem with believing many of the sexual accusations made against him. Much of this behaviour is recognisable in some circles in our own time. Add these enduring impulses towards excess and ultra bottoming to a background that includes nearly unlimited power and a greater social tolerance for sexual diversion and it is credible. The credibility of some of the other stuff like claims of human sacrifice is harder to gauge because it's so utterly taboo and alien in modern culture.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | January 9, 2022 2:36 AM
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R312, supercilious much? You behave as if you've been personally insulted. Haughtiness and condescension is no substitute for having a point.
Having R313 chime in as sock support is a cute touch. Most of this thread is you and your socks talking to each other, isn't it?
by Anonymous | reply 318 | January 9, 2022 2:39 AM
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If you take in account he was only 14-year-old when he took power thus a victim of his hormones and age-based narcissism. It's easier to not be that harsh. Homophobia, femmephobia and bottom-shaming seems to be the biggest factor in his negative portrayal. He was crazy and selfish but not that bad compared to many others.
Human sacrifice still exists but in differing forms. Wars motivated by ideologies (hence sacrificing lives from the "other side" to achieve victory) and capital punishment (a holdover from religious ideas of reciprocal justice). Humans are moral relativists to the core.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | January 9, 2022 2:54 AM
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What did his hole look like?
by Anonymous | reply 321 | January 9, 2022 7:53 AM
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R268 Buck would never associate with a nasty thread like this.
However, that awful Conrad would.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | January 9, 2022 9:14 AM
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Casting call for an 18 to 22 year old Middle Eastern twink who looks 14 with a willingness to crossdress and worship big dicks!
by Anonymous | reply 324 | January 9, 2022 10:37 AM
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Why didn't Cadinot make this into an artsy gay porn back in the 80s? I'm convinced Pasolini would have done this too had he lived. Americans can't make movies like this. Leave this to the French, Spanish and Italian homosexual directors who worship Arab cocks.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | January 9, 2022 10:39 AM
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Elagabalus = the world's first DLer
by Anonymous | reply 326 | January 9, 2022 11:46 AM
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Meh, I already played this role back in 1981!
by Anonymous | reply 327 | January 9, 2022 11:46 AM
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Thanks r25. I had totally forgotten that scene.
I am surprised that with all of the mind numbing iterations of Drag Race there has not been one single Incontinentia Buttocks.
by Anonymous | reply 328 | January 9, 2022 12:05 PM
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[quote]In critical biblical scholarship
A phrase to chill the soul.
by Anonymous | reply 329 | January 9, 2022 12:08 PM
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Was Elagabalus really transgender was that just a form of slander against him because he was gender non-conforming and a flaming queen?
by Anonymous | reply 330 | January 9, 2022 12:15 PM
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He has “smelling marble cookies” face in OP’s pic
by Anonymous | reply 332 | January 9, 2022 12:21 PM
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I had a minor obsession with him when I was about 13, but never heard of that novel—thanks, R130!
by Anonymous | reply 333 | January 9, 2022 12:29 PM
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I can sort of relate to his sex drive. As a teenager I was always horny too shy but had endless daydreams of having sex and hard ons came often in very difficult situations.
He was a front. At 14 families had power. They chose young guy and kept him few years. The life of the emperor was usually short and violent. He should have had kids with all of his wives. Then he could have had endless gay orgies but the bottoming should have happened in private.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | January 9, 2022 2:17 PM
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I like the semi-Greek form of his name, Heliogabalus, which puns on the worship of the sun (Greek "helios"). Was he a regular user of sunscreen and moisturizing unguents?
by Anonymous | reply 335 | January 9, 2022 2:50 PM
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^ Because the sun shone out of my arse.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | January 9, 2022 5:43 PM
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I think the biggest controversy will not be casting a minor or casting a non-Arab. The controversy will be portraying him as a cis gender gay boy and not as a trans woman.
by Anonymous | reply 337 | January 9, 2022 5:52 PM
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Reading some of Dio's accounts. It reeks of Orientalism. This sensual, beautiful teenage Arab boy who transgressed gender and sexual norms and introduced a foreign god to the Pantheon and having orgies in the open. These ancient historical accounts are usually exaggerated and intended to entertain as much as inform. Who knows what he was like in reality? I figure most likely an effeminate gay who was too young for his position and a pawn for others and easy target for character assassination. It would be too lazy to rely on these embellished accounts. I also have a doubt he was truly transgender, I think the whole stories of him telling others to call him "female titles" and wanting a vagina was added by the writers to humiliate him because probably was a bottom which was basically relinquishing any type of manhood. The Romans were a lot more prudish than given credit for.
by Anonymous | reply 339 | January 9, 2022 8:26 PM
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History is written by the winning side, the losers usually come off quite badly even in contemporaneous accounts.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | January 9, 2022 9:03 PM
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If anyone were brave enough to make a film about Elagabalus, then yes, the older women in his family would have to be the most important characters... because they're the ones with the interesting character arcs.
Elagabalus himself seems to have no arc, he's just a teenager shouting "I DO WHAT I WAAANT" like most teens do or want to do, and he learns nothing until it's too late. But his grandmother... she's the one who puts him on the throne, and then changes him out for a different grandson when he proves unsatisfactory and unpopular, how bizarre and calculating is that? I mean someone who would do that has the potential to be a character as fascinating as Livia in "I Claudius", someone who pushes their family into power, sacrificing unsatisfactory family members the whole way, in a perversion of normal familial love. Hell, maybe that could be a underlying theme of the film, "who's the real pervert here?".
by Anonymous | reply 341 | January 9, 2022 11:10 PM
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Possible inspiration for a plot line: this Edward Gorey drawing from *The Blue Aspic* has the caption "Caviglia's revival of *Elagabalo* was cut short when the authorities had the curtain rung down on the triple wedding scene."
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 342 | January 10, 2022 12:16 AM
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As evil granny Julia Maesa
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 343 | January 10, 2022 12:22 AM
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....and still, it COULD work....
by Anonymous | reply 345 | January 10, 2022 12:25 AM
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R343 Bloody hell I'm still alive and have references.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 346 | January 10, 2022 12:30 AM
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From what I've read, the granny is only in her 50's while the mom is in her 30's. And the mom was also described as a total MILF, lusted by every guys. The granny was still a serviceable GILF.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | January 10, 2022 12:45 AM
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[quote] "He had one of his big guys fuck him for the first time in an arena with the populace watching.
[quote] The crowd was instructed to cheer when his lover shot his load into his ass.
[quote] That's entertainment!"
Hot. But I'd expect them all to be sexually satisfying each other simultaneously.
by Anonymous | reply 349 | January 10, 2022 12:52 AM
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I think "predatoty botton" should become established in the DL dialect
by Anonymous | reply 351 | January 10, 2022 1:29 AM
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His name sounds bottom-y.
Get it, gurl!
by Anonymous | reply 352 | January 10, 2022 1:33 AM
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Think of how much more difficult it was to collect the huge-dicked men. "Scouring the world." So his staff were away for months on dick hunts. They had to go view men and then get them to come to Rome. Lol.
by Anonymous | reply 353 | January 10, 2022 1:35 AM
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I wonder if anybody at Disney would be interested.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | January 10, 2022 1:38 AM
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I read the Wiki page and was surprised he was dead by 18. So he started all of this really early. Granted 18 back then was more like 35 or 40 in terms of life expectancy, no?
Also, this:
"Dio says Elagabalus delighted in being called Hierocles's mistress, wife, and queen.[79] The emperor reportedly wore makeup and wigs, preferred to be called a lady and not a lord, and supposedly offered vast sums to any physician who could provide him with a vagina.[79][80] For this reason, the emperor is seen by some writers as an early transgender figure and one of the first on record as seeking sex reassignment surgery.[79][81][82]"
by Anonymous | reply 355 | January 10, 2022 1:42 AM
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R355 Life expectancy is way more complicated than that, people didn't just drop dead at 35 in the Roman world.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 356 | January 10, 2022 1:54 AM
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But, R356, for 3rd-century Roman emperors all bets were off.
by Anonymous | reply 357 | January 10, 2022 2:21 AM
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So who to play Hierocles? Hard to find blonde built guys in their 20's who can act. Hemsworth,Evans,Hammer all too old. Suggestions?
by Anonymous | reply 358 | January 10, 2022 2:26 AM
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Sounding like being a Roman emperor was generally harmful to one's life expectancy.
by Anonymous | reply 359 | January 10, 2022 2:38 AM
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[quote]So who to play Hierocles? Hard to find blonde built guys in their 20's who can act. Hemsworth,Evans,Hammer all too old. Suggestions?
Brad Pitt. They'll use Lucy's Mame filters.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | January 10, 2022 4:58 AM
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You could have actually read this thread, r355. It's all been covered multiple times.
I'm changing my mind about Granny from Madonna to Polly Walker.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 361 | January 10, 2022 5:14 AM
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Or I can not read the entire thread and post as I wish.
by Anonymous | reply 362 | January 10, 2022 5:16 AM
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Re the penile imports, will it be CGI or will the audience require absolute authenticity?
by Anonymous | reply 363 | January 10, 2022 5:29 AM
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No one is denying that you have the ability to post stupid, obvious, redundant things, r362. You've demonstrated that quite capably.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | January 10, 2022 5:36 AM
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Cassius Dio describes how Elagabalus referred to Hierocles as his ‘husband’, and delighted in walking around with black eyes after insisting that his brutish lover should beat him up.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | January 10, 2022 6:16 AM
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How's this for a drama queen:
"Following a Syrian priest’s prophecy that he would meet a violent end, he was determined that he would kill himself in style rather than die at the hands of others, and he was thorough in his planning.
If he discovered trouble was looming, he proposed to hang himself with a noose of purple and scarlet silk, stab himself to death with swords made of gold, or jump from of a specially built ‘suicide tower’.
‘It was constructed of boards gilded and jewelled in his own presence,’ recorded one historian. ‘Even his death, he declared, should be costly and marked by luxury, in order that it might be said that no one had ever died in this fashion.’"
by Anonymous | reply 366 | January 10, 2022 6:19 AM
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I would have owned the little bitch.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | January 10, 2022 6:31 AM
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I went through a few boyfriends like that.
Thank God I'm old.
by Anonymous | reply 368 | January 10, 2022 6:39 AM
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R21, the Ancient Greeks considered large penises vulgar. The Ancient Romans, on the other hand, were putting up large phalluses everywhere.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 369 | January 10, 2022 6:53 AM
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Miss Elagabalus was a tranny. Trannies have been slutty whores who get murdered for thousands of years.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | January 10, 2022 7:36 AM
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I bet Camille Paglia could TALK about this guy I'd pay good money to hear that.
by Anonymous | reply 371 | January 10, 2022 7:42 AM
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Polly Walker already played the "Julia Maesa" or an equivalent part and did so amazingly.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 372 | January 10, 2022 8:12 AM
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They were a trans person of color who was murdered!
by Anonymous | reply 373 | January 10, 2022 9:15 AM
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The filthy whore probably had the legions sorted by cock size!
by Anonymous | reply 374 | January 10, 2022 9:49 AM
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Not one of his "marriages" produced a child. Unless you count his sperm farts.
by Anonymous | reply 375 | January 10, 2022 9:51 AM
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r372 She played the mother of Augustus; since it was pretty historical, that's quite a difference. The grandmother of Elagabalus was Augustus' wife, don't know if he had several, played by a young actress in only a small role.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | January 10, 2022 9:59 AM
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R339 is obviously unfamiliar with the Latin authors and Roman culture and society in general.
Cliché, r340. The Athenians lost the Peloponnesian wars, yet we only have their accounts of it and nothing by the Spartans.
by Anonymous | reply 377 | January 10, 2022 11:11 AM
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R377 Regardless, I don't think there's enough information about him to judge his character. Also, were their records on par with todays that remove biases and exaggerations. It's the 21st century and we apply more logic and dispassion when looking at history. Just like with the Bible and other ancient documents, I would not take these accounts as literal facts, maybe nuggets of truth but highly exaggerated.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | January 10, 2022 11:18 AM
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The latter. Auditions can easily be held on TikTok.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | January 10, 2022 11:46 AM
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Oops, R379 was a response to R363.
by Anonymous | reply 380 | January 10, 2022 11:48 AM
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Yes, everyone listen to R378! One's frolics with tender underaged minors in Capri were **highly** embroidered. Maybe even completely fabricated, most of the time.
by Anonymous | reply 381 | January 10, 2022 11:50 AM
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[quote][R372] She played the mother of Augustus; since it was pretty historical, that's quite a difference. The grandmother of Elagabalus was Augustus' wife, don't know if he had several, played by a young actress in only a small role.
Can anyone make sense of R376? Polly Walker played Augustus' mother, Atia, a role that was written into a major scandalous character, well beyond anything we know of Atia from history (which is very little). And the grandmother of Elagabalus was sister of a previous empress, Julia Domna; they're not related to Augustus (who lived around 200 years before). "Played by a young actress in only a small role"—??? Am I missing something?
by Anonymous | reply 382 | January 10, 2022 11:58 AM
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[quote]Re the penile imports, will it be CGI or will the audience require absolute authenticity?
I think CGI'd 18-inch penises would be an essential element in this world.
by Anonymous | reply 383 | January 10, 2022 1:20 PM
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r382, you are correct, Atia in ROME played by Walker was an amalgamated fictional character based on the real life Atia, mother of Augustus and Clodia, nicknamed Quadrantaria. The ROME creators took some liberties there.
by Anonymous | reply 385 | January 10, 2022 1:48 PM
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Excuse me, but I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to define the correct pronunciation of the Emperor's name. Is it EllaGABalus, or EllagabAlus, or... Please apply your phonetic expertise. Thank you so much!
by Anonymous | reply 386 | January 10, 2022 3:57 PM
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The first one, R386. The -bal- has a short "a," so according to Latin accent rules, the stress accent goes back to the third-to-last syllable. I don't know where the ancient Greek pitch accent went in his name, but in any case English pronunciation normally follows the Latin stress accent in ancient names.
by Anonymous | reply 387 | January 10, 2022 4:00 PM
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*SNAP!* I've got it! We'll give cameos to Helen Mirren and Malcolm McDowell, who will play the twink whore's evil Granny and...I don't know... some horny, pervy Grandpa with a giant cock! AND! With all these humongous dicks on display.... We.Film.It.In.....3D!!!! We're gonna make a fucking MINT on this movie, babies!
by Anonymous | reply 388 | January 10, 2022 4:17 PM
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DL's fave closet case Hallmark heartthrob Trevor Donavan as husband charioteer Hierocles. But is he a good enough actor to play a top?.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 389 | January 10, 2022 8:46 PM
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Bob Saget would have made a great perv uncle/advisor.
by Anonymous | reply 390 | January 10, 2022 9:14 PM
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Who's the most powerful bottom today?
by Anonymous | reply 391 | January 10, 2022 9:18 PM
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[quote]Who's the most powerful bottom today?
Excuse me?
by Anonymous | reply 393 | January 10, 2022 9:24 PM
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Was Rome the most promiscuous of the major world empires? Their homes were filled with pornographic murals, the women as well as the men divorced and remarried frequently, their gods& goddesses were always fucking and the Romans probably had more slaves than any other empire, since they conquered so many far flung areas and took whole towns and cities as slaves. Men who own female slaves were always raping them. That’s how I think the South of the US became so religious. The men raped so many women they compensated by demanding religiosity, femininity, demureness and coy behavior from white females. Because the men were such pigs, they demanded their women be conservative and God-loving Christian women.
by Anonymous | reply 394 | January 10, 2022 10:18 PM
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Pompeii was FULL of brothels and pornography. Whether that was typical or the result of being a sleazy resort town we don't know.
by Anonymous | reply 395 | January 10, 2022 10:20 PM
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[quote] their gods& goddesses were always fucking
Now you tell me!
by Anonymous | reply 396 | January 10, 2022 10:36 PM
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Pompeii was an upper-class resort town, it wasn't a sleazy, low-class place at all. It was like an ancient Miami Beach.
by Anonymous | reply 397 | January 10, 2022 10:36 PM
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Well rich people can best afford commercial sex.
by Anonymous | reply 398 | January 10, 2022 10:40 PM
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[quote] Was Rome the most promiscuous of the major world empires? Their homes were filled with pornographic murals, the women as well as the men divorced and remarried frequently, their gods& goddesses were always fucking and the Romans probably had more slaves than any other empire, since they conquered so many far flung areas and took whole towns and cities as slaves. Men who own female slaves were always raping them.
Humans like sex. Pornography and prostitution is universal and art has always used eroticism. Any human with power can abuse it. So humans with sex drives plus a drive for power can become rapists. Nothing about Rome is unique. Slavery was commonplace in the ancient world and accepted. Also why would the gods not fuck? Their theology had gods that were very anthropomorphic and thus had all the failings of any other human but with power. Gods could also die. Also, most people would divorce if they weren't socially pressured to make a dead marriage work. Women being able to divorce was progressive. Humans by nature are quite slutty and not monogamous.
[quote] That’s how I think the South of the US became so religious. The men raped so many women they compensated by demanding religiosity, femininity, demureness and coy behavior from white females. Because the men were such pigs, they demanded their women be conservative and God-loving Christian women.
No. The US was always religious. It was settled by religious extremists known as the Puritans. Most Southerners were poor whites (who didn't own slaves) and Black slaves (later freedmen) who needed some type of religion to make their awful lives more tolerable. Plantation owning elite used religion to keep both groups in their place and complicit. However many of the social reforms actually to end slavery and to push for public education were motivated by religion. So it had pros and cons.
by Anonymous | reply 399 | January 10, 2022 10:41 PM
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[quote] Men who own female slaves were always raping them.
I'm sure plenty of bored noblewomen forced hunky young slaves to fuck them too. We know white plantation mistresses would use Black men as walking dildos. It's not like they can say no when they have no power whatsoever and being men there would a far harsher penalty if exposed regardless if it was consensual or not. I always think of that scene from Genesis where Joseph, the servant of Potiphar is being pressured by Potiphar's wife to sleep with her. His refusal caused her accuse him of rape and he was guilty by default of being lower-caste.
by Anonymous | reply 400 | January 10, 2022 10:53 PM
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[quote] Also why would the gods not fuck?
Has the Christian God ever fucked? Man was made in his image, so he does have a penis. Is he circumsized, I wonder?
by Anonymous | reply 401 | January 10, 2022 10:54 PM
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Great name for a band, God's Dick Cheese
by Anonymous | reply 402 | January 10, 2022 11:06 PM
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R401 Rabbi Joshua Bar Joseph? I'm thinking he was cut.
by Anonymous | reply 403 | January 11, 2022 12:57 AM
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Well. The Bible was compiled over thousands of years. The early Old Testament had a lot of evidence of polytheism with El and Yahweh being separate gods and possibly having wives like every other Middle Eastern god did. Also Yahweh having the same temper tantrums like every ancient god being he was a storm god just like Zeus. Modern Christian theology is completely different and the idea of God being preexistent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omnipresent comes more from Greco-Roman philosophical beliefs than anything else.
by Anonymous | reply 405 | January 11, 2022 1:01 AM
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Pompeii was the Fire Island of it’s time.
by Anonymous | reply 406 | January 11, 2022 1:05 AM
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God is a force. An all encompassing, all saturating, all things in all places at all times energy. God is the universe, itself.
by Anonymous | reply 407 | January 11, 2022 1:13 AM
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R407 Pantheism is what that's called and it's becoming very popular. It's been a commonplace of East Asian dharmic religions, Native American beliefs and African tribal beliefs. Modern Christianity has that belief of an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient god. But that was sourced from Neoplatonic beliefs and other Greek philosophers.
Now many in the Ancient World believed in anthropomorphic gods who were basically human beings but with simply more powerful. Cultures had their own pantheons and even people could have their own patron gods. Since gods were anthropomorphic and humanlike they could get very angry, lustful, depressed and spiteful and cause hurricanes, fires, wars, mass hysteria, etc. Gods can also die and be brought back to life. The solar and lunar eclipse are seen as the temporary death and resurrection of the local sun god. That's why humans would perform complex rituals, worship sessions and sacrifices because they believe it would appease the gods and stop misfortune. It was simply their way of explaining all the chaos of the world. The gods were not innately benevolent and often narcissistic assholes (including the Old Testament god) but in a time and region with tons of wars, natural disasters, famines, disease and poverty and general lack of education, easy travel and literacy. It made sense. People were more myopic and paranoid.
by Anonymous | reply 408 | January 11, 2022 1:26 AM
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[quote]It's the 21st century and we apply more logic and dispassion when looking at history. Just like with the Bible and other ancient documents, I would not take these accounts as literal facts, maybe nuggets of truth but highly exaggerated.
And yet Schliemann was able to find Ancient Troy because he took the mythological accounts as historical fact.
But don't get me started on Schliemann and his archeological desecrations.
by Anonymous | reply 409 | January 11, 2022 1:41 AM
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"Was Rome the most promiscuous of the major world empires? Their homes were filled with pornographic murals, the women as well as the men divorced and remarried frequently..."
Well, the divorces among the ancient Roman upper classes were frequently due to economic or political reasons, not just because the spouses couldn't stand each other. Most upper-class marriages were arranged, and if the family saw some economic, political, or social advantage in allying with someone new, they'd dissolve someone's marriage and make them marry a member of the new ally's family whether they liked it or not. Or, divorces would happen when someone got onto the emperor's shit list, or lost all their money, or whatever.
The Romans weren't big on romance. At least for the rich, marriages were for advantage, not love, and fidelity was not expected. Except by Julius Caesar, who'd fuck anything that would hold still, but who said that his wife had to be seen to be above reproach.
by Anonymous | reply 410 | January 11, 2022 2:21 AM
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"Pantheism is what that's called and it's becoming very popular."
If you have to worship something, it makes the most sense. We're all part of the universal energy and we will be returned to it. Energy becomes matter and matter returns to energy. It's never destroyed, it just changes form
Totally logical
by Anonymous | reply 411 | January 11, 2022 2:39 AM
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[Quote] Because the men were such pigs, they demanded their women be conservative and God-loving Christian women.
Because the men were such pigs, they demanded their women be conservative and God-loving Islamic women.
Same same.
by Anonymous | reply 412 | January 11, 2022 5:53 AM
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"Even prior to the union, his agents throughout the realm kept their eyes peeled for any tasty morsel that might interest the emperor. Shortly after the marriage, a snack was sent his way in the form of a ruffian named Diocles. According to Cassius Dio (the premier gossip of ancient Rome), Elagabalus was besotted. So much so that he comfortably suffered abuse at Diocles’s hands; black eyes and bruises were boasted at more than one senate hearing.
Elagabalus’s procurers went a slightly different route next time. The athlete, Zoticus, was shuttled to the capital after news of his extraordinarily large “equipment” reached the imperial palace. Elagabalus wined and dined him in his private baths, but when it came time to perform, Zoticus proved a flaccid disgrace and was sent away tout suite. "
by Anonymous | reply 413 | January 11, 2022 6:55 AM
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[quote]Cassius Dio (the premier gossip of ancient Rome)
Fuck you, R413!
by Anonymous | reply 414 | January 11, 2022 11:15 AM
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"Pompeii was the Fire Island of it’s time."
Literally.
by Anonymous | reply 415 | January 12, 2022 7:01 AM
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Ancient Rome seems so gay from what I've read in this thread and elsewhere over the years. Evidently, all was OK as long as you were, or had the reputation as, the top.
by Anonymous | reply 416 | January 12, 2022 7:07 AM
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If you had social status over the person you fucked (male or female), it was usually OK. Homosexual activity on its own was not a problem.
by Anonymous | reply 417 | January 12, 2022 7:10 AM
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Roman wit Martial said that Julius Caesar was known as every woman's husband and every husband's wife. Caesar was reportedly bi and that was not approved of.
by Anonymous | reply 418 | January 12, 2022 7:14 AM
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R416 Nothing has changed, tops rule.
by Anonymous | reply 419 | January 12, 2022 7:15 AM
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^ Yep the world is divided into fuckers and fuckees
by Anonymous | reply 420 | January 12, 2022 7:20 AM
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He looks quite stylishly modern as the bust.
by Anonymous | reply 421 | January 12, 2022 7:21 AM
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R418, it wasn't that Caesar was bi, it was that he was known for liking it up the ass, that brought the criticism. You were supposed to be a top at that social class.
by Anonymous | reply 422 | January 12, 2022 7:25 AM
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R422 All the emperor’s (except pedo Hadrian )we’re insatiable bottoms though.
by Anonymous | reply 423 | January 12, 2022 7:29 AM
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^ Oh, the irony, kind of like lawmakers who are actually the crooks
by Anonymous | reply 424 | January 12, 2022 7:32 AM
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r424, or like Brecht asking what's the difference between the guy who owns the bank vs the guy who robs it?
by Anonymous | reply 425 | January 12, 2022 7:44 AM
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[quote](except pedo Hadrian)
Antinous was 18! The term is ephebophile!
Sheesh.
by Anonymous | reply 426 | January 12, 2022 11:57 AM
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14 when the relationship started, R426
by Anonymous | reply 427 | January 12, 2022 12:07 PM
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A muscular 14 year old with hairy armpits and legs who enjoyed hunting. Back then there was not a concept of being an underage minor. Once you developed sexually, it was accepted you would have sex. Hence why girls were sheltered and married off once they had their period. I believe until a young man grew a beard and reached about 20 that they were considered a full adult male.
by Anonymous | reply 428 | January 12, 2022 1:07 PM
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We didn't kiss until he was 18, and he put on the pharaoh costume.
by Anonymous | reply 429 | January 12, 2022 1:12 PM
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He was later reincarnated as Li'l Nas X
by Anonymous | reply 430 | January 12, 2022 1:27 PM
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Welp, the thread got full of nonsensical off-topic bad takes on everything, and when it's on the topic they are even worse. Yes, everyone was gay, now leave Antiquity, religion, philosophy and theology alone and forget about it. Katapugones or even worse the lakataproktoi, of which DL generally and this thread particularly are full, should leave these finer intellectual matters to those who can face them, and devote themselves to their arsenokoitai activities.
by Anonymous | reply 431 | January 12, 2022 1:28 PM
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^ Look who has the biggest stick stuck up his ass
by Anonymous | reply 432 | January 12, 2022 1:38 PM
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You dare compare me to Tiberius, you assholes?
by Anonymous | reply 433 | January 12, 2022 1:48 PM
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R432 Well, dear euruproktoi, why don't you look yourself in the mirror and see.
by Anonymous | reply 434 | January 12, 2022 2:39 PM
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And where do your credentials come from, R431? I assume from your more-or-less correct transliterations of the nominative plural forms that you can read the ancient Greek texts fluently.
by Anonymous | reply 435 | January 12, 2022 2:43 PM
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Which ones were less correct, R435, or are you alluding to the fact that he doesn't differentiate between epsilon and eta, for example?
by Anonymous | reply 436 | January 12, 2022 2:52 PM
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Not epsilon and eta, R436 (there are no etas in those terms, only epsilons), but between omicron and omega—that would have been a more accurate transliteration.
by Anonymous | reply 437 | January 12, 2022 2:57 PM
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Gotcha. I mistakenly thought that there was an eta in arsenokoitai because of the arrhen/arsen root.
by Anonymous | reply 438 | January 12, 2022 3:07 PM
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Good guess, R438, but the stem of that word is arsen- (ἀρσεν-), and compounds are formed with that. The form with the long "e" (ἄρσην) is only the nominative singular (typical for nouns of this class). On a side note, it's easy to think of the nom. sing. as the "regular" form of a noun, since it's the dictionary form, but in fact it often doesn't reflect the stem—especially in the third declension.
by Anonymous | reply 439 | January 12, 2022 3:15 PM
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Yes, I should have known this as I'm acquainted with how it works, like the long vowel (omega) in nom. masc. sing. "ōn" becoming "ontes" in nom. masc. plural. with the short vowel (omicron). It's years since I studied this stuff.
by Anonymous | reply 440 | January 12, 2022 3:21 PM
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This thread is full of cacodataloungers!
by Anonymous | reply 441 | January 12, 2022 3:22 PM
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It's strange in a thread so full of (historical or otherwise) barbarities to complain about people not following your preferences in transliterating words, anyways, these transliterations are well attested in proper sources. Well, if you didn't like these, we can always recur to Latin, and there's this expression which even remains in usage in some Romance languages, ani usti, charred assholes, which I find rather applicable here. Ite ad mentulam, et relinquite id.
by Anonymous | reply 442 | January 12, 2022 3:46 PM
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See, bitches, this Greek grammar shit is what they wanted me to focus on, when I was busy focusing on some serious gladiator dick!
by Anonymous | reply 443 | January 12, 2022 3:47 PM
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The grammar shit is tedious, no matter what language.
by Anonymous | reply 444 | January 12, 2022 4:00 PM
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"Elagabalus wined and dined him in his private baths, but when it came time to perform, Zoticus proved a flaccid disgrace and was sent away tout suite. "
Interesting. Was he an actual straight guy, or was he just turned off by Elagabalus? Or maybe he just couldn't perform under the pressure.
by Anonymous | reply 445 | January 12, 2022 4:29 PM
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R431, you were the one flaunting your arcane lore and telling the rest of us to keep away from antiquity etc. You still haven't answered the question where your (smattering of) credentials came from. Sed tu ad libros eas ne ignorantiam molestius feramus tuam.
by Anonymous | reply 446 | January 12, 2022 4:32 PM
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R445, presumably it was the combination of wine and hot (steam)bath that left Zoticus unable to perform. Plus maybe Elagabalus's girlish wiles were a major turn-off.
by Anonymous | reply 447 | January 12, 2022 4:38 PM
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I don't think most men in those days would have complied with modern notions of straightness. Yes people have and had natural preferences, but as in places like Afghanistan etc today, most men in ancient Rome also fucked other males on the side.
by Anonymous | reply 448 | January 12, 2022 7:39 PM
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not "on the side" r448, that is what is different. It was understood that women and subordinate males were in the same category: inferiors to be fucked by superior men. There was no trauma and shame and Ye Gods what if somebody finds out! It was pretty blunt. You were however not supposed to bottom. That's what made Elagabalus unusual. He did not give a fuck, so to speak. He accepted fucks.
by Anonymous | reply 449 | January 12, 2022 7:42 PM
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As somebody posted in the Lawrence of Arabia thread last night, everybody knows women are for babies and boys are for fun.
by Anonymous | reply 450 | January 12, 2022 9:10 PM
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Even women think that. Economic need (or social restrictions) is the reason they don't live it more often. Women with their own money or women who simply believe they can survive on their own will gladly live "boys are for fun" until when/if they actually fall in love.
by Anonymous | reply 451 | January 12, 2022 9:13 PM
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Less talk about fucking words and more words about fucking please. This isn't Ancient History 101.
by Anonymous | reply 452 | January 12, 2022 9:16 PM
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I love the ecstatic collision of high and low brow in this thread. Only homosexuals can achieve this.
by Anonymous | reply 453 | January 12, 2022 9:17 PM
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Words, words, words, I'm so sick of words.
I get words all day through, first from him, now from you --
Is that all you blighters can do?!
by Anonymous | reply 454 | January 12, 2022 9:33 PM
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It's a quote from My Fair Lady, r455. A blighter is a more refined word for asshole or jerk.
by Anonymous | reply 456 | January 12, 2022 10:46 PM
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"I believe until a young man grew a beard and reached about 20 that they were considered a full adult male."
A boy would "put on his manly" gown and be considered a legal adult at 15 or 16, and was expected to start his 18 years of military service at 18, but he was considered to be fuckable (a catamite) until his beard grew in around 20.
So while the Romans did have a concept of childhood or subadulthood, I guess they didn't have a concept of being legally underage for a sex. It was legal and socially acceptable to rape slaves of any age, the only restrictions were on buggering free adults or boys of a certain social status. But wealthy men who liked a bit of cock up the ass even when their beards had come in went for the cock anyway, regardless of gossip. Just about the only restriction on male sexuality was what he could afford.
by Anonymous | reply 457 | January 12, 2022 11:12 PM
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You have to remember how much shorter lifespans were back then.
by Anonymous | reply 458 | January 12, 2022 11:19 PM
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i might be dead by 30. FUCK ME NOW!
by Anonymous | reply 459 | January 12, 2022 11:31 PM
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[quote] Nothing about Rome is unique.
Lol
Yeah. Quite a few things about Rome were unique. Including Roman slavery.
by Anonymous | reply 460 | January 13, 2022 12:30 AM
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Brent Corrigan can finally break through to regular film in this starring role!
by Anonymous | reply 461 | January 17, 2022 11:37 AM
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She couldn't stay 17 forever.
by Anonymous | reply 463 | January 18, 2022 2:32 AM
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Well, it's possible, r463, but the cost is rather high.
by Anonymous | reply 464 | January 18, 2022 2:35 AM
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If shameless whores today were killed and their headless nude bodies dragged through the streets, we might not have so many reality "stars."
Then again - it might be a new category on Tik Tok.
by Anonymous | reply 465 | January 18, 2022 10:18 PM
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In this entire thread, how can this scene not have already been posted? Did ANYONE watch Rome on HBO besides me? By the way, the current age of consent in Italy is 14. Yikes!
"Large Penis is always welcome..."
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 466 | January 18, 2022 10:54 PM
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I know r467, that is why I was sure the video had been posted someone where. And it was quoted with no reference to what it was.
by Anonymous | reply 468 | January 19, 2022 7:06 AM
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Just delving deeper into the histories of Rome. This thread might need a part two because I would love to hear what the scholars have to say about the number of gay rumors circling Julius Caesar himself. There were a number of men he was rumored to have been involved with, bottoming to some of them.
"As a powerful man in ancient Rome, Julius Caesar probably had sexual experiences with both men and women. This wouldn’t have been a cause for concern among his contemporaries. Bisexuality was more or less the norm during that era. However, it was Caesar’s taste in partners and sexual positions that scandalized Rome and threatened to cause lasting damage to his reputation. Today, ancient Rome is often imagined as a land of promiscuity and sometimes perversion (thanks to figures like Nero and Caligula), but there were still sexual rules in Rome. And Julius Caesar was rumored to have broken several of them."
Julius Ceasar early on was rumored to have lost his virginity to an older the older king Bythnia.
Sex with a men was quite common and OK. There are stories of Roman soldiers raping the men of a town that they've conquered as an act of dominance. Bottoming was NOT OK, especially for someone of JC's standing.
by Anonymous | reply 469 | January 19, 2022 6:31 PM
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The standard book on this topic is Craig Williams's *Roman Homosexuality*.
by Anonymous | reply 470 | January 19, 2022 6:36 PM
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Desine pudere passivi homines!
by Anonymous | reply 471 | January 19, 2022 6:57 PM
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[quote]Desine pudere passivi homines!
O care!
by Anonymous | reply 472 | January 19, 2022 8:42 PM
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Julius Caesar is not a fag! And I'm the dame who can prove it!
by Anonymous | reply 473 | January 19, 2022 9:41 PM
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I think this would need to be produced in Prague as a porn film.
by Anonymous | reply 474 | July 23, 2022 11:54 AM
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He was not not obscure. As a matter of fact, he was portrayed in the movies.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 475 | July 23, 2022 12:07 PM
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[quote]Sex with a men was quite common and OK. There are stories of Roman soldiers raping the men of a town that they've conquered as an act of dominance.
Those were the good old days!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 476 | July 23, 2022 12:09 PM
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I love how the T have been trying to reclaim him for some time now. And I'm like, go right ahead, he was a terrible emperor!
by Anonymous | reply 477 | July 23, 2022 12:33 PM
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He was a murderous twink beholden to an irrational cult, so go figure.
by Anonymous | reply 478 | July 23, 2022 12:48 PM
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According to nazi racial theory, Iranians were the purest “aryans.”
by Anonymous | reply 479 | July 23, 2022 1:10 PM
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[quote] a wonderful novel Child Of The Sun about Elagabalus and his lovers. Along with Mary Renault's books it helped me accept being gay.
Much like Mandingo helped blacks accept being slaves
by Anonymous | reply 480 | July 23, 2022 1:40 PM
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OP, I prefer the hot daddy Roman emperors like Hadrian.
by Anonymous | reply 481 | July 23, 2022 1:42 PM
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[quote] I always wondered whether the Black Stone of Emesa became the Black Stone of the Kaaba.
I'd want something more authoritative but some quick googling indicates this may be true.
Elgabalus black stone was sent back to Emesa (modern day Homs in Syria) after his death. It was then transporter south to Arabia after the Roman Empire Christianized. Now you can find it in the kaaba
by Anonymous | reply 482 | July 23, 2022 2:20 PM
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His mother was killed along with him. The grandmother orchestrated it all; a study in very female violence and lineage preservation.
by Anonymous | reply 483 | December 25, 2022 10:45 AM
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I never really paid any attention to the Elagabalus thread before but just now glancing at the sculpture posted by Op, did Family Guy base "Bruce" on this Emperor ?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 487 | December 25, 2022 11:04 AM
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[quote]everybody knows women are for babies and boys are for fun.
But for ecstasy, a melon.
by Anonymous | reply 488 | December 25, 2022 11:11 AM
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